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#psyker-class
lunar hollow
completely serious
in that if survivalist didn't completely invalidate the purpose tknives would be really good for ammo economy
spice veldt
meainingful engagement with the ammo economy of a game 😔
lunar hollow
one of the main upsides is how much sustain they can provide to you in a game where one of the main difficulty components is running out of resources
but that whole "running out of resources" thing doesn't matter when you have a vet on the team
harsh urchin
I find that throwing knives feel really good
when there's no vet lol
cuz there's more situations where I want to use them
instead of shooting
whereas if I have a vet, I'm inclined to just aim at the spawn drop and blast everything as they come through
with my gun
quartz barn
decided to check vet chat to see if its actually that bad
and you have people vouching for speed aura
so ye its bad
spice veldt
i'd unironically take speed aura if survivalist weren't so busted
but smoke nades is above it
open pike
Speed up (so you can grab ammo faster)
spice veldt
so no i actually wouldn't take it because i'm married to shredder nades
spice veldt
Speed up (so you can grab ammo faster)
so true
quartz barn
its not even that surv is busted, the other options just suck
spice veldt
yeah that's auras at this point
it's team-wide stuff and you don't want to make auras too strong because they apply to 3 other players
which is why I really don't like teamwide benefits
because they are a pain to fuckin balance
quartz barn
its not even that
spice veldt
and evidently, fatshark is similarly scared with how conservative the auras are
quartz barn
minor stat boosts are fine
but vet has all the useless stat boosts and an aura that directly impacts one of the main gameplay aspects
open pike
It doesn't help some auras that are already niche just have really bad unique nodes available to them
Like our damage auras only unique node being a situational toughness regen on teammates going down
spice veldt
i do think that movement speed is good because it can hit you above the breakpoint where you can just outrun common melee enemies without taking the high mobility weapons
course, only as it hits a breakpoint and it's whatever beyond that
quartz barn
and just like any other game that will never be more effective than killing everything before they can do anything / to much dmg to you
or in this case provide the means to do so
spice veldt
mmm yeah, it's a minor thing and esp compared to other +5% bonuses
and since auras don't stack, you might as well take something different (jk because branching and skill tree pathing :( ) and it's not a terrible second choice
open pike
Well in other news the only staff set-up I'm missing is still Blazing Trauma because the game refuses to give me decent rolls
half iron
every day i wake up
28 plasteel
hasty breach
and since auras don't stack, you might as well take something different (jk beca...
auras dont stack?!
hasty breach
so equivalent auras from the same teammate? that's insane
open pike
The Psyker 4 way 40% cooldown reduction would shatter worlds
hasty breach
i guess...
spice veldt
rip venting shriek 4-stack cd reduction
hasty breach
but thats a lot of survivalist veterans then that dont have auras!
spice veldt
p much
i wonder if it's intentional design or they just didn't code it in a way that let them stack
open pike
imagine 4% ammo per elite lmao
hasty breach
i mean maybe diminishingn returns or something... that feels bad
thanks for the info though
what's the diffeence between power and damage?
does power scale impact or whatever?
spice veldt
ye and cleave
hasty breach
oh that's way better
harsh grove
are stagger and impact the same thing?
thick valley
are stagger and impact the same thing?
Stagger is a threshold for stopping an enemies animations. Impact is a threshold for knocking over an enemy. Apologies if this isn’t correct
limber silo
+20% power = +20% damage, +20% cleave, and +20% stagger
It's seriously a 1:1?
limber silo
Hmmm
spice veldt
anyways i think slaughterer should be +75% power again
limber silo
Power doesn't do anything for damage resist in this game right?
limber silo
That was VT2 right?
spice veldt
i think so, not that i've played it? I've heard something along lines of that
open pike
anyways i think slaughterer should be +75% power again
Add run and gun to the the Heavy Las
stone canyon
So my penance just caused the mission to wipe
spice veldt
or maybe that's why people have that idea in the head that power does that
spice veldt
Add run and gun to the the Heavy Las
a run n' gun in every weapon's blessing pool
limber silo
But 75% power was kinda busted for FS
spice veldt
unironically
limber silo
unironically
Why would you do that
spice veldt
i wanna run n gun
open pike
Zip zoom
spice veldt
(balancing isn't real)
would prob take a more nuanced approach to have to balance run n gun on every gun
but i do think that run n gun is more rare than it should be
ignoring the staffs, it's only on 3 guns
open pike
I feel like it'd make sense on most one handed light guns
harsh urchin
it also doesnt work
lol
it doesn't apply the 10% close range damage
and it's also supposed to give 40% sway reduction, which I suspect doesnt work either
spice veldt
iirc it applies it only when you're sprinting
spice veldt
the spread reduction should work at all times, but it's been some time since i tested it
open pike
ignoring the staffs, it's only on 3 guns
The Lorenz Kickback of all things having it is really funny to me
harsh urchin
does that also
open pike
And not any other shotgun
harsh urchin
only apply while sprinting
spice veldt
i think it applies at all times
harsh urchin
hmm
theoretically you should be able to get
perfect accuracy
on an agri revolver
with deadshot + run n gun
on the fan then
spice veldt
hmmm
spice veldt
The Lorenz Kickback of all things having it is really funny to me
ikr i just looked that list up and i'm like wtf
i also know that the kickback has Surgical which is quite "INTERESTING"
open pike
To be fair it is very satisfying to unload a 10 stack surgical into a mob of squishies
blood soup
harsh grove
Stagger is a threshold for stopping an enemies animations. Impact is a threshold...
oh interesting, thanks!
spice veldt
the person who gave blessings to kickback was on some fuckin crack probably
open pike
the person who gave blessings to kickback was on some fuckin crack probably
Blaze Away
Load those shells point blank that fire
limber silo
the person who gave blessings to kickback was on some fuckin crack probably
Kickback honestly has some of the weirdest choices. I find the blessings almost inconsequential on it
Mine has Surgical and Expansive
I will say Expansive let's me hit the 1 shot bp for Crushers on my shovel
open pike
Surgical + Full Bore is pretty popular, but so is Expansive and Blaze Away (mainly if you're on PBB)
I'm just waiting for the day that Slug variant of the Kickback drops assuming it ever does and doesn't just rot in the files
tawdry pasture
Is it confirmation bias or does final pull seem to be a better roll
Probably the former
It’s always the gun I get with my last buck that’s not crap
ornate hamlet
I think some people have reported getting better blessings consecrating to orange
rare arrow
That feels anecdotal. Any actual evidence or resources showing that?
stone canyon
So i just hit lvl 30 with psyker, guess ill wait to see if they sell nice staffs in 8 minutes... also need a build now
open pike
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959&searchtext=psyker
Is usually the starting point shared for builds from the pin
stone canyon
Probably going Macabian Dueling Sword (loved it while leveling) and Voidstrike Staff
But gonna take a while before i get good ones
stone canyon
Had since lvl 20 or so
rare arrow
So i just hit lvl 30 with psyker, guess ill wait to see if they sell nice staffs...
Surge and void are nice, very low blessing requirement staves. Trauma has lots of CC and damage ramps with staves.
Tons of builds, which of the blitz is your favorite?
stone canyon
Well, Assail was my go-to as it was overpowered lower levels and difficulties
Not sure anymore now that im hitting Heresy-Damnation
rare arrow
Had since lvl 20 or so
Hit up brunt’s armory shouldn’t be tough to replace this now that you’re 30
spice veldt
the mk2 and mk5 duelling swords made the mistake of existing in the world where the mk4 exists
The mk4 has ~40% higher damage than the other two duellies for some reason
rare arrow
Not sure anymore now that im hitting Heresy-Damnation
Won’t change much, I promise you can clear any difficulty with any blitz.
stone canyon
I might go Smite to support now.. but then i also need brain burst penances done
opaque charm
Is it weird that I am obsessed with the Fanning Revolver?
rare arrow
I might go Smite to support now.. but then i also need brain burst penances done
You can carry with any
open pike
I think the fanning revolver is fun but I gotta build around it as a meme
The original is way better to actually get shit done for me
harsh grove
Is it weird that I am obsessed with the Fanning Revolver?
what's your loadout? i'm down for a fanning build
opaque charm
what's your loadout? i'm down for a fanning build
I kinda think the only use of the Fanning Revolver is as a backup of Assail
Which makes it, as a gun, really silly.
But it really makes up for what Assail lacks
rare arrow
Uh... holdup, looks like i hit 29?
You on PC?
stone canyon
Yeah
rare arrow
A Damnation mission probably gets you to 30
stone canyon
Yeah i just did one low intensity one thinking id hit 30 in style
rare arrow
Nah, you can do a reg Damnation. I believe in you
harsh grove
But it really makes up for what Assail lacks
lol fuck it we ball
stone canyon
Id honestly have to be carried some, i struggle with groups of armored baddies
harsh grove
i might try this with deimos or DS4 o the melee
glossy solstice
Is it weird that I am obsessed with the Fanning Revolver?
No, second kind of cool always counts
rare arrow
Id honestly have to be carried some, i struggle with groups of armored baddies
If you want to add me I have time for 1
harsh grove
just to hose crushers
harsh grove
oh does it have hand cannon? i totally forgot
stone canyon
Well, thanks but gonna try to build voidstrike staff right now
rare arrow
Well, thanks but gonna try to build voidstrike staff right now
My personal favorite lol
glossy solstice
Revolvers are good. You just need good situational awareness and target prioritization.
opaque charm
oh does it have hand cannon? i totally forgot
It has hand cannon and you also have extra crits from weakpoint attacks
harsh grove
yeah stacking true aim
opaque charm
With CR and that talent the revolver tends to crit a lot
glossy solstice
Gaze is the most powerful damage buff in the game
opaque charm
I think vent + getting stacks from killing elites is really good
But you can certainly try gaze
worthy briar
Will brain rupture work when going after achievements like not even close
glossy solstice
This is a fun game because your play style matters more than most other decisions you make but if you are going for a maximum damage gun psyker build gaze is the way
glossy solstice
Will brain rupture work when going after achievements like not even close
Brain rupture is pretty bad for almost everything
stone canyon
Uncanny is most important blessing for Macabian Duelling?
harsh grove
But you can certainly try gaze
cool, i'm running a similar talent setup for gun psyker but it doesn't use fanning revolver so it doesn't need assail up as much
rare arrow
Uncanny is most important blessing for Macabian Duelling?
For every melee
rare arrow
I'd drop riposte
sullen bobcat
Brain rupture is pretty bad for almost everything
Buffing them with EP and that charge speed ability thing is actually a ton of monster DPS
glossy solstice
All of the most powerful weapon builds in the game, follow this basic formula, rending plus power plus armor type
sullen bobcat
Brain burst is still a good tool
worthy briar
Brain rupture is pretty bad for almost everything
im asking for doing achievements not if it bad
sullen bobcat
All of the most powerful weapon builds in the game, follow this basic formula, r...
Psyker has like no access to rending, and you're just saying "buffs make really good builds"
Like no shit
buoyant maple
For force swords, is unstable power 4 good?
sullen bobcat
The only rending a psyker has is trauma
harsh urchin
For force swords, is unstable power 4 good?
ye its fine
sullen bobcat
For force swords, is unstable power 4 good?
Yes especially on illsi and obscurus I guess
buoyant maple
Melk has one costing 2670
What’s the ideal set-up for force swords
Deflector + unstable power?
glossy solstice
im asking for doing achievements not if it bad
@sullen bobcat I really wish I could give you more information but the ability itself is pretty bad even if you use it with like a high firing auto gun it takes on average 15 to 20 shots to Prock it and it can only Prock once every 15 seconds.
harsh grove
Deflector + unstable power?
imo deflector is personal preference, but it is useful
sullen bobcat
<@112714778002096128> I really wish I could give you more information but the ab...
The random RNG brain burst is severely underwhelming, but you were discrediting the entire ability
glossy solstice
Correct
sullen bobcat
???
glossy solstice
Correct I’m just counting it because it’s bad
mental rock
I don't like deflector and never really have. Then again I haven't used force swords since they took away my infinite dodges
sullen bobcat
I'm done experiencing brain rot
sullen bobcat
I don't like deflector and never really have. Then again I haven't used force sw...
I like it for helping close the gap with purge if I'm running against shooters
tawdry pasture
That feels anecdotal. Any actual evidence or resources showing that?
Only cherrypicked data, that’s why i think bias
sullen bobcat
There was an explanation on blessing rarity based on something when they released the whole reblessing system while crafting was being implemented
tawdry pasture
harsh grove
I like it for helping close the gap with purge if I'm running against shooters
makes sense
eager mantle
<@112714778002096128> I really wish I could give you more information but the ab...
Well...I would simple use it for things that actually work. Like hearing ragers pop from a trauma charge
glossy solstice
Hey second kind of cool always counts if you just like it. Hey that’s a good reason. In my opinion.
It can be used kind of cleverly, but it will never resolve more than about 150 DPS which you know killing a pox walker every two seconds, doesn’t sound great
sullen bobcat
It can be used kind of cleverly, but it will never resolve more than about 150 D...
Did you know that you don't use BB to horde clear?
glossy solstice
Oh, come on let’s not do that
arctic sleet
What perk to replace sprint efficiency ? (I'll have warp flurry in stead of terrifying barrage)
glossy solstice
Did you know that you don't use BB to horde clear?
I was pretty sure we were talking about gun psykers and brain rupture
glossy solstice
What perk to replace sprint efficiency ? (I'll have warp flurry in stead of terr...
I think you’re kind of free to do what you want because there are no break points there with the trauma staff, correct me if I’m wrong here folks
rare arrow
What perk to replace sprint efficiency ? (I'll have warp flurry in stead of terr...
I would replace both blessings
Though I believe maniac or flak is best if you only want to reroll 1 perk and 1 blessing
harsh grove
is terrifying barrage just never good?
flint plover
can you guide the assail shards or am i hallucinating
long wharf
is terrifying barrage just never good?
correct, Terrifying Barrage is never a desirable blessing option
arctic sleet
i like rendering shokckwave 🙂
rare arrow
They go where you sim
Aim
That’s fine, then yea it’s flak or maniac for the tending/flurry build
flint plover
Alright cool. For a long time I thought they just auto targetted anything on the screen
rare arrow
Sort of, but if you turn to look or put your cross on someone they will sort of target
arctic sleet
i'll go for maniac, thanks you both
rare arrow
To the best of their ability
snow coral
for gunkers who run assail, what do you do when you're facing bulwarks? those guys always fuck me up
long wharf
assail doesn't auto-target at all
rare arrow
^
long wharf
the aiming works on enemy nearest to where you're looking
rare arrow
It hits fast so you have to move fast
long wharf
if they don't have anything to target, they go wandering off
they struggle to acquire new targets if moving away from your aim too far
they're 100% guided, which is why it's key, if you want to get the most out of assail, to be constantly aiming at what you want the shards to target
the only exception to this is the secondary throw
rare arrow
For example I take EP with assail
So I’m always looking at the elites to get more free assails
long wharf
you can throw-and-forget the targetted throw shard, but it'll only hit the one target
yep, and if you get in the habit of planning your aim at consecutively-easy-to-target enemies, you can help the shards hit multiple enemies
like, if you have a group of gunners in range, and you aim at the one in the back, you aren't likely to get the others
harsh salmon
what would yall recomend i swap to
rare arrow
Riposte to uncanny
harsh grove
for gunkers who run assail, what do you do when you're facing bulwarks? those gu...
iirc assail actually can cause bulwarks to stagger. i think you have to use the aimed version for this. otherwise yeah i actually do like to carry deimos to deal with bulwarks
harsh salmon
Riposte to uncanny
what does uncanny do?
long wharf
stagger is based on damage dealt
you aren't going to stagger a crusher, untouched by anything else, with a single assail shard
rare arrow
what does uncanny do?
Huge damage. Uncanny strikes
long wharf
the "tink" sound they make on carapace is your cue that you're wasting time
rare arrow
It’s the best melee weapon blessing by a mile
idle valve
how's trama staff and voidstrike staff like?
rare arrow
Both excellent crowd control but in different ways
idle valve
those are the two ranged weapons i like, but feels like it's a bit off. not sure if i ain't using it right
long wharf
check the pins for the psyker compendium
rare arrow
how's trama staff and voidstrike staff like?
Void is in a line and at a range trauma is in a close group and up close
harsh salmon
Huge damage. Uncanny strikes
is the 20% crit not worth it?
what about swapping shred?
rare arrow
is the 20% crit not worth it?
You already have shred
long wharf
riposte requires you to be dodging attacks
long wharf
you can get good mileage out of riposte if that's how you prefer to play
rare arrow
Which you’ll be doing to stack uncanny
long wharf
I prefer shred
idle valve
i checked the pin. i'm not at the point of having blessings yet so kinda in the stone age
rare arrow
I typically don’t use blessings that require I be dodging. They can be good, but if you miss you take damage
harsh salmon
how does shred stack, is it a buff applied to you or does the extra crit get applied to the enemy you are fighting
like chain hit
long wharf
i checked the pin. i'm not at the point of having blessings yet so kinda in the ...
then you're best served by just playing with the different staves to see which you like
spice veldt
self-buff
rare arrow
i checked the pin. i'm not at the point of having blessings yet so kinda in the ...
My description covers what they do, blessings just add a lot of power
spice veldt
i don't think there are any per-enemy crit buffs
given that crits are rolled per attack currently
rare arrow
how does shred stack, is it a buff applied to you or does the extra crit get app...
Buff to you
Same as uncanny
long wharf
and only with that weapon
idle valve
someday i'll get a trauma staff above 20% blast radius lmao
rare arrow
someday i'll get a trauma staff above 20% blast radius lmao
Just play with weapons don’t worry about what’s best until 30
Your odds are negligible before 30
Also leveling is fast
I did an alt psyker cause boredom and hit 30 in < 25 games.
idle valve
i did. ain't a fan of the rest 😂
does voidstrike not proc headshots if the warpball explodes on a target?
couldn't get the funny orange crosshair for crushers
rare arrow
Void is the only staff that can weakspot hit
rare arrow
Check out psykharnum. It’ll get you weakspot damage in those crushers
idle valve
there it is
orange marker is just hidden by all the sfx. the yellow number didn't appear though
figure it's just from the explosion
harsh salmon
Nothing overnuncanny
SORRY, i ment riposte
rare arrow
It’s the best melee weapon blessing by a mile
This
rare arrow
SORRY, i ment riposte
Oh I like rampage. I use uncanny/rampage or uncanny/shred
stone canyon
First lvl 30 game done with shiny new Macabian and Voidstaff, was fun
rare arrow
My current is uncanny shred
rare arrow
First lvl 30 game done with shiny new Macabian and Voidstaff, was fun
Which blitz did you run
stone canyon
Smite, used talent build shown in the steam guide
harsh salmon
what would be the point of the rending? you headshot kill a crusher in like 2-3 stabs
rare arrow
Smite/cooldown passive/bubble shield/warp charges?
stone canyon
Got some learning to do still
rare arrow
what would be the point of the rending? you headshot kill a crusher in like 2-3 ...
From uncanny?
It turns anything into an unarmored enemy
harsh salmon
From uncanny?
yea
rare arrow
Got some learning to do still
A lot of damage taken there, have to work on those dodges
stone canyon
Yeah it was really messy with 3 psykers
rare arrow
yea
Crusher aren’t dying in 2-3 stabs not at Damnation+
Also, you ca. stack US on little mobs and just turn everything into unarmored
stone canyon
Was two moments where i was the last one alive during it too
rare arrow
I hit 1500. Headshots with my ds on crushers
rare arrow
Was two moments where i was the last one alive during it too
Clutches always feel good
flint plover
always irks me when i clutch and no one says anything, not even a "i've seen better"
rare arrow
Uncanny is a buff that stacks to 5, at rank 3 or higher you seal the same damage to crushers as you do unarmored. It stacks on head shot, so hit 5 little things and now your DS one shots everything. 2 shots maulers and 3 shots crushers
rare arrow
always irks me when i clutch and no one says anything, not even a "i've seen bet...
Nah I do the clutch for me, not them. I don’t need their approval lol
flint plover
Nah I do the clutch for me, not them. I don’t need their approval lol
yeeah I aspire to that, but I still want a tiny token of appreciation
my brain is too lazy to supply its own happy chemicals
rare arrow
The only one I need approval from is my beloved
stone canyon
Can i sacrifice that and use it on my Voidstrike Staff?
rare arrow
No, I don’t believe so
Admittedly I’ve never tried but I’m almost certain staves have individual blessings
rare arrow
I guess I just never noticed that they share like blessings
Explains why we had them when I went to build my purge (least fav staff)
stone canyon
Its not there 😬
flint plover
yeah, its a bit off because there are some semi-unique ones, like rending shockwave and surge
flint plover
what?? it should be that one in the lower left
rare arrow
So dueling swords can share but staves cannot
It’s not about blessing matching it’s about weapon matching
flint plover
no, I get that
rare arrow
Otherwise I could get a gun blessing and get it for like 10 guns
stone canyon
These two would share it?
flint plover
They should, I'm not sure why your nexus wasnt shared
stone canyon
Tried it, those two dont share em either
stone canyon
Oh well, stuck with this now then for a while
rare arrow
Reroll the blessings and it’s good to go
shadow wigeon
Oh well, stuck with this now then for a while
Transfer Peril is pretty great for many builds
stone canyon
0 blessings in my reroll list so far 😅
shadow wigeon
Crit is good on void as well, almost flat damage
rare arrow
Just need warp nexus and surge. Though I’d keep transfer for now
shadow wigeon
There are many valid ways to build Void. Transfer + Flurry/Nexus/Surge are all possible.
flint plover
Maybe it's only warp flurry that's shared. I feel like im taking crazy pills
shadow wigeon
No staffs share blessings
flint plover
damn, I am crazy then
shadow wigeon
damn, I am crazy then
RPing psyker you are doing it right
glossy solstice
These two would share it?
Nope
rare arrow
Warp nexus and either surge or flurry
shadow wigeon
Any degenerates on?
Shopping for low warp res Illisi and hit this. Looking for Shred/Slaughter for Surge/Flames build.
Would you keep Unstable, and take +maniac?
Or +2stam (which... could be fun) and add Slaughter...
harsh urchin
shred is bad but that's a pretty good roll
shadow wigeon
shred is bad but that's a pretty good roll
Nah I love it for Mettle/Timing proc into flamed hordes
shadow wigeon
shred is bad but that's a pretty good roll
Yeah im debating how much I care about +maniacs, and see what +stam is like. 80mobility, some more pushes....
shadow wigeon
you don't seem very receptive so i won't bother leaving any
That's just called having a different opinion to you.
rare arrow
Asks for perk advice on 2 specific blessings. Rando comes in and says to change a blessing and gets salty when he doesn’t want to lol
shadow wigeon
And the q was unstable v Slaughter. if you want to propose something you prefer over Shred, by all means...
rare arrow
Yea your question was about perks. Dis came in and dropped a blessing suggestion about removing the blessing you stated you wanted. Not sure why
harsh urchin
I mean, this happens plenty in #zealot-class
Somebody comes in with their Flesh Tearer Lacerate Knife, people tell them the limitations of bleed and then they get upset about it.
All I said is that I'm not gonna bother engaging, no need to attack me Lucian
shadow wigeon
I mean, this happens plenty in <#1046913589614747719>
Somebody comes in with th...
Who is upset?
elfin roost
Pick it up?
harsh urchin
just answer his question for him then lol
rare arrow
Pick it up?
Good contender for both the flame and shockwave build
I’d buy and take to blue for sure
harsh urchin
the person who is upset seems to be the one who is calling other people salty from what I see
shadow wigeon
Pick it up?
I would buy every 370+ grey of any weapon. You may want it one day, and you can hunt for blessings with it.
elfin roost
That is true
rare arrow
the person who is upset seems to be the one who is calling other people salty fr...
I don’t think any one is upset
shadow wigeon
the person who is upset seems to be the one who is calling other people salty fr...
I think Lucian's just fine....
rare arrow
We were both just confused
elfin roost
Too material poor rn but II will
shadow wigeon
Wait a sec AY YO?
A+ basically.
plucky flax
Just saw it. I use both lacerate fleshtearer and lacerate uncanny on zealot.
Both good. 
shadow wigeon
Flurry 3 vs 4 you'll barely notice.
elfin roost
Oh thats pretty much nothing, alr
rare arrow
Rending shockwave and it’s a perfect shockwave staff, one more good perk and you could reroll both blessing and make it a flame staff. Depends on preference
It comes out to a perfect shockwave no matter what actually. Reroll the next perk if bad to flak or carapace depending on preference
opaque charm
I guess with Fanning Revolver and Assail I would get a lot more damage out of Scriers Gaze over Shriek, but man will I blow myself up a lot
harsh urchin
You should try fanvolver with vet
opaque charm
I could, but I think Assail makes up for it's weakness
harsh urchin
the problems i found with it is that it has a tough time hitting breakpoints, gets demolished by suppression, and has crit issues
all of which are solved by vet
and not by zealot/psyker
opaque charm
So with Payker I run it with true aim which can give you a guaranteed crit. That and Disrupt Destiny help the breakpoints a lot
harsh urchin
true aim works better with crit string or full pen weapons unfortunately
cuz it takes 5 hits to trigger it
DD is sadly just too inconsistent to rely on for a dmg boost, it's more of just a bonus
analog agate
just played with the 2nd auto aimer ever. was vet using braced auto gun. never took out his melee until i called him out on AA. was just flinging everywhere and never missing any shots
stone canyon
That to Maniacs?
rare arrow
That to Maniacs?
I would, it’s either that or rampage to shred. But I think adding maniacs is still very good
harsh urchin
That to Maniacs?
cara is recommended.
rare arrow
cara is recommended.
I think they’re looking at the steam guide which only lists unyielding and maniacs. Just a guess tho
opaque charm
DD is sadly just too inconsistent to rely on for a dmg boost, it's more of just ...
It's easy to stay at 15 DD with Assail
rare arrow
I’m not sure if carapaces changes TTK on crusher with uncanny, I’d have to go into the psyk
harsh urchin
don't be so fixated on guides and just use your intuition lol
harsh urchin
It's easy to stay at 15 DD with Assail
go for it then lol, it's still too inconsistent for me to rely on for breakpoints personally
i prefer having my breakpoints be guaranteed
opaque charm
What keystone do you like to use?
rare arrow
don't be so fixated on guides and just use your intuition lol
I’m saying maniac hits mutie and flamer breakpoints, but carapace doesn’t hit any that I’m aware of
opaque charm
It's a little bit like an Autogun. Break points are less important
Esp with the Fanning Revolver you reload so fast
In Damnation I'm killing every elite in 5 shots
harsh urchin
What keystone do you like to use?
they're all good, I like them all
harsh urchin
I’m saying maniac hits mutie and flamer breakpoints, but carapace doesn’t hit an...
it doesn't though lol.
rare arrow
Add uncanny
harsh urchin
nope
rare arrow
I’m not home but that breakpoint calc is scuffed on my phone
harsh urchin
rare arrow
Is that 1 stack of uncanny to the right there?
stone canyon
I think ill keep it as is, so can decide if ill go for +25% maniacs or another blessing later on (Shred)
Seems to work pretty fine already as is
rare arrow
Hit breakpoint for cara?
rare arrow
Seems to work pretty fine already as is
Good call
Never a bad idea to keep the versatility
harsh urchin
Hit breakpoint for cara?
yep
both maulers and crushers
I would use cara + maniac or cara + unyielding
elfin roost
The biggest weakness of psyker is the psyker lmao
rare arrow
Crushers double dip with unyielding, did you add unyielding and see if it hits the breakpoint?
elfin roost
Literally nothing threatens me as much as myself
harsh urchin
crushers arent unyielding lol
rare arrow
Isn’t unyielding all 3 Ogryn and bosses?
harsh urchin
thas a brick ye
rare arrow
Idk why I thought you double dipped for crushers with unyielding
Probably cause they’re grouped in the psyk
lethal lagoon
No perfect timing on blaze trauma.... that's a pretty rough choice.
Also, doing really well with a bad build, technically a compliment 
Plus, keep in mind grabbing assail burns an extra point for the pen and you also don't get 5% cooldown on elite kill.
It's not that bad honestly, was just convenient for the topic at hand, sorry for calling ya out.
harsh urchin
fyi I think maniac is still good on ds
rare arrow
Agreed, could definitely be better but certainly isn’t going to be the reason you’re losing
rare arrow
I thought so too
harsh urchin
but not as important as cara
elfin roost
What perks do you think are good for it?
rare arrow
One shotting 4K health has always been a prio over 1 less hit on a crusher. I take maniac for sure but I think I have maniac crusher
elfin roost
perks
the smaller things nobody notices
This is also sort of a thing, lower stat rolls though
Horrible cleave and pen
rare arrow
I like maniac unyielding to give us some boss damage, but maniac carapace and unyielding are all great perks
Blessings are shred and uncanny strike for mine, but you could replace shred with rampage/riposte or something
rare arrow
This is also sort of a thing, lower stat rolls though
Cleave does not matter it’s the dump stat on that weapon
rare arrow
Yea that isn’t what that weapon does
It is not lol
But click it, what’s the % difference
rare arrow
but not as important as cara
When you have a sec can you toss the link to the calculator? I don’t have it on phone
elfin roost
Pretty large considering the low penetration
Carapace is the only thing that doesnt look to be significantly smaller
rare arrow
It’s probably fine
elfin roost
Probably
rare arrow
TBH idk how pen works with uncanny strikes
It may be not important, need someone smarter than me for that one
elfin roost
Finesse difference is pretty much nothing between my 375 and 338 rolls far as I can see
rare arrow
Uncanny strikes essentially makes them unarmored, so pen may not matter
Either way both good see how blessings and perks come out
elfin roost
Yeah, I think Ill have to get the mats though
rare arrow
Wish I could trade dia for plasteel
harsh urchin
When you have a sec can you toss the link to the calculator? I don’t have it on ...
pen and finesse both matter a ton
rare arrow
https://dt.wartide.net/calc/
Appreciate it. Let’s see how it works on mobile
harsh urchin
since finesse affects your attackspeed and finesse multiplier
and pen affects your base ADM
of which extra rending turns into bonus damage
and the damage of your first few hits while you're unstacked
rare arrow
Does pen affect enemies with full uncanny stacks still?
rare arrow
and the damage of your first few hits while you're unstacked
Fair
harsh urchin
... yes lol
let's say you have 2 weapons
1: roll 50 on pen, base pen is 40%
2: roll 80 on pen, base pen is 70%
let's say you get 50% rending, now your first weapon is doing 90% damage, and your second weapon is doing 105% damage
cold elm
thats what i run as gunker
analog agate
No perfect timing on blaze trauma.... that's a pretty rough choice.
Also, doing ...
Has perfect timing been a thing since they nerfed warp rider? My build is essentially the old build before patch 13, just not BB. I do know this is pretty much what war was running for a long time, like I said, just assail instead of BB. And yeah, my reasoning was I don't use shriek much and therefore don't care about the cool down. I play in pubs, and will admit, play selfishly so also don't care about the cooldown for my team lol
shadow wigeon
Has perfect timing been a thing since they nerfed warp rider? My build is essent...
Perfect Timing is free damage on almost all builds. Even more so on a crit build.
rare arrow
Most builds crit so often that it’s just always stacked
shadow wigeon
The 10s cooldown means it stacks easily even on non-crit builds
rare arrow
Though, I guess you don’t take it on gunker?
rare arrow
Has perfect timing been a thing since they nerfed warp rider? My build is essent...
BB has its place
I never really liked it until I started playing it with EP
analog agate
BB has its place
I have found it's place just isn't enough outside of getting the elusive farrrr sniper or bomber
rare arrow
Boss damage is good too
Also, with EP it charges fast enough and hits hard enough it one shots a lot of enemies
I can chain BB a row of elite gunners in seconds.
analog agate
Boss damage is good too
I do mkiv with unyielding dmg. I have found that I do near what I would with BB. Boss dmg is the only sacrifice I make with assail. Also, I don't run EP but warp charges. I can't talk about BB with EP
analog agate
I did when assail was everything. I only use assail as I would BB (rarely). I do pure trauma or melee
rare arrow
I don’t really run warp charges with anything but smite.
If you only use your blitz seldomly and your staff already handles close range targets, wouldn’t long range BB be better?
Also, nice doggo pic.
rare arrow
I did when assail was everything. I only use assail as I would BB (rarely). I do...
Just thinking of a complimenting kit here. BB adds ranged kills and damage, assail adds wide crowd control which you get from the staff and melee already.
spice veldt
long range is whatever since you only need to really handle snipers at that range, and i'd rather increase my ability to annihilate at close range
since that's where most consequential engagements happen
long sightlines and sniping enemies running behind cover just doesn't matter if you're pushing ahead
rare arrow
long range is whatever since you only need to really handle snipers at that rang...
Yea but I’m close range they’re spamming trauma so it just adds
analog agate
If you only use your blitz seldomly and your staff already handles close range t...
Assail allows me to deal with spread out gunners better and more quickly. I find they are more of a problem than something out of reach for bb
rare arrow
Also BB is usable inside of 40 M, I was a BB hater for a long time after talents but it feels good with EP
And only with ep imo
rare arrow
Assail allows me to deal with spread out gunners better and more quickly. I find...
So you play venting?
shadow wigeon
but i still despise BB
KR EP BB is pretty fun, but it still gets steamrolled in too many games with the burst damage.
analog agate
So you play venting?
yes
rare arrow
The damage and speed from EP let me out kill zealots and vets that aren’t one shotting my target
shadow wigeon
The damage and speed from EP let me out kill zealots and vets that aren’t one sh...
Just make sure you don't tag em
rare arrow
yes
Why venting? Just for safety and the ability to push to 100 peril?
If you charge to 100 peril you don’t get a trauma explosion so shouldn’t really do that anyways
near wyvern
Why venting? Just for safety and the ability to push to 100 peril?
Creeping flames is a shit ton of damage
rare arrow
But again if using creeping flames as their horde damage it makes assail even worse on that build
More redundant, not worse
Trauma for hordes, weapon for horde, assail for hordes, venting for hordes
If everything you do handles hordes, then I’d personally drop 1 of those for some versatility
near wyvern
But again if using creeping flames as their horde damage it makes assail even wo...
Creeping flames + assails...
harsh urchin
nothing wrong with being able to deal with hordes in like 5 different ways lol
long wharf
You can safely ignore wildfire
long wharf
But PC is amazing, as is soulblazing on shriek
ionic sorrel
nothing wrong with being able to deal with hordes in like 5 different ways lol
The only thing wrong is if you can't deal with other things.
near wyvern
Assail is not really for hordes
It's for shooters + soft elites
And stacking up uncanny strike
cold elm
i love BB purgatus psyker
near wyvern
Devils's claw had its moment in patch 13, illisi is just better
cold elm
purgatus psyker with BB running a crit build is my favorite playstyle in the game. it melts everything
opaque birch
https://i.imgur.com/9JwDjlZ.jpeg
what a rarity
cold elm
https://i.imgur.com/9JwDjlZ.jpeg
what a rarity
you lucky bastard
rare arrow
https://i.imgur.com/9JwDjlZ.jpeg
what a rarity
Still very usable
cold elm
shame it spawned with a tier 1 perk
rare arrow
I’ll give you double for it
rare arrow
Doesn’t matter that’s getting rerolled
near wyvern
you lucky bastard
Ain't lucky yet, Hadron still has time to brick it
opaque birch
lets see
cold elm
Ain't lucky yet, Hadron still has time to brick it
exactly
harsh urchin
but if he fucks up the order
analog agate
But again if using creeping flames as their horde damage it makes assail even wo...
I don’t use assail besides specials or spaced out gunners. Also, remember I’m not running EP. Therefore, BB sucks and I personally don’t care about psykinetic’s aura
harsh urchin
it has a higher chance of being bad
opaque birch
https://i.imgur.com/Q6PysV7.png can be fixed into something useful
cold elm
assail ive never really found a place for tbh. bb does better damage and has better range and smite deals with hordes better
rare arrow
Still fine
harsh urchin
upgraded it without blocking
elfin roost
How good is this on a scale of bad to good?
harsh urchin
it's gud
cold elm
https://i.imgur.com/Q6PysV7.png can be fixed into something useful
unplug hadron
she fucked up the blessings
harsh urchin
at least until uncanny numbers get nerfed
cold elm
reinding aint bad tho
rare arrow
How good is this on a scale of bad to good?
Also very good
That weapon will not be holding you back.
elfin roost
Good to know
cold elm
this is the one i have. its not too bad. but the stats could be better
elfin roost
Oh and between that and this what are the use cases?
rare arrow
You can actually just use it as is too lol
cold elm
once revved up it can 1 shot pox walkers on damnation
rare arrow
Force sword for hordes and has the deflector defensive mode. DS for ragers, muties, crushers, really anything big you need to deal a lot of damage to
cold elm
see i like deflector but it drains stamina way too fast
just use bubble shield
its like deflector but better
rare arrow
I think maniac and flak are better on the illsi over cara, but still fine either way
cunning bone
use the passive, blocking generates peril
elfin roost
So the DS is more for a build that lacks single target, and the Illisi is vice versa?
cunning bone
ez
opaque birch
deflector isn't bad with +3 sta
elfin roost
With the Trauma staff which would you go with?
rare arrow
use the passive, blocking generates peril
I feel like I use that on every build
near wyvern
assail ive never really found a place for tbh. bb does better damage and has bet...
Check for 15 seconds or so, link starts from the relevant section
cold elm
i havent touched trauma in months
rare arrow
With the Trauma staff which would you go with?
I prefer burn trauma, but steeper stat requirements
cunning bone
I feel like I use that on every build
yeah i do the same, normally not by choice
recently i have been given to choice and i make the effort to grab it cause its right by the +5% crit chance
elfin roost
Check for 15 seconds or so, link starts from the relevant section
https://youtu...
Assail does less damage, but works best as a softener I think?
rare arrow
I grab it because picking people up is easy
Assail kills fine, especially with EP builds it’s very spammable
elfin roost
You shoot them faster and theyll hit more than once, often killing enemies that already took damage
Mad peril gen though
opaque birch
Assail with a gun on the side is OP
cold elm
brunt sold me this a few weeks back. is this worth using? i have literally never touched a combat knife like ever
rare arrow
Assail darts also stagger reapers clear dog hordes etc
cold elm
Assail darts also stagger reapers clear dog hordes etc
purgatus staff does basically the same thing. and smite staggers everything
opaque birch
Purgatus staff is an eyesore, it sucks for everyone else
elfin roost
So opposed to the BB its more of a support than a primary source of murdering heavier targets
What about Smite?
cold elm
purgatus staff is amazing against everything except crushers wtf u talking about
elfin roost
I cant tell what Smite is meant to do
spice veldt
i prefer assail when the density isn't worth it to use purg
rare arrow
Purg is by far my least favorite staff
opaque birch
it's terrible to look at, everyone else can't see a thing
spice veldt
purg is one of my favorites for how braindead it is
cold elm
purg plays differently than all the other staffs. its a completely different playstyle to master
cold elm
it is basically a better flamer
rare arrow
But the sucker kit already has so much that does what it does
cold elm
except it can crit and soulblaze is stupid good
spice veldt
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm i would not consider it a strictly better flamer
rare arrow
You can max soulblaze stacks so easily without purg
spice veldt
since flamer has blaze away and is on the class with chastise
cunning bone
brunt sold me this a few weeks back. is this worth using? i have literally never...
W. penetration isnt needed as much because psyker though
rare arrow
CTW is my favorite active for zealots
cunning bone
id use that knife
shadow wigeon
purgatus staff is amazing against everything except crushers wtf u talking about
Purg is still strong, but the game has changed in a way that makes it less awesome. Fewer hordes, staggering not as helpful with the burst damage.
spice veldt
and burn dealing more DPS than soulblaze by default
shadow wigeon
Bring back unlimited horde bug and I’ll purg every game.
cold elm
thats why i run empowered psi with BB alongside purg for when i need something really dead right now
spice veldt
i also dislike having to hold out BB for the entirety of the cast
at least with assail, I can just throw it in between my slides
rare arrow
i also dislike having to hold out BB for the entirety of the cast
That’s why it’s ran with EP
EP makes BB take a slide to kill something
rare arrow
but it feels useful with EP
And only with EP imo.
EP also let’s it hit damage thresholds
cold elm
i agree. you need to be using EP wit BB otherwise you might as well just use assail since its faster
rare arrow
But I use trauma on my EP/BB setup
cold elm
i havent been able to build my trauma staff yet cuz hadron wont give me my brittle blessing
shadow wigeon
ICYMI EP also lets you hold RMB charge at no peril cost
It's not game changer but pretty neat if you get used to it.
glossy solstice
i havent been able to build my trauma staff yet cuz hadron wont give me my britt...
By the time I got it, I didn’t feel it was very good crushers die too fast anyway
Right now in the game there are so many good abilities and weapons that delete crushers, applying a debuf using a low dps staff is suboptimal. Blazing souls truma however has a niche, and trauma is very cool situational cc
lethal lagoon
Though, I guess you don’t take it on gunker?
Most gunker's run assail and there's really no reason not to grab it on the way.
long wharf
are you sure?
rare arrow
Take all of that cleave damage and put it where it belongs
long wharf
I mean, it's not perfect, but it's still good
rare arrow
😠
Give me 7% finesse and 5% pen
take 80% cleave. it's a good trade
I don't love riposte either
rich jolt
Carapace?
rich jolt
Does that duel sword have higher base carapace dmg?
My duel sword isnt great against cara i fogor mk lemme check
strong gulch
Having rending stacks up really helps on tackling cara.
rare arrow
1 shot mutie 3 shots crushers
that's why I wanted those perks
though cara can be replaced with unyielding
strong gulch
yip
rich jolt
Yeah i use mk2 carapace aint great
rare arrow
Mk4 is where it's at
lethal lagoon
mk4 heavies are randomly signifcantly stronger for literally no logical reason
spice veldt
lethal lagoon
It means using anything but mk4 is a bad choice
strong gulch
I like the mk 2, but the mk 4 just has more damage.
The H1 on the DS 2 and DS 4 have the same animation but different damage for some reason.
strong gulch
You can chaing DS 2 H1 and special to keep up single target damage ad staggers.
rich jolt
Yeah ik the poke is goofy
strong gulch
DS 2 is a littler easier on hordes for sure.
rare arrow
with full uncanny and 25% damage to cara and maniac
it is a 5 shot for crushers
and 2 for mutie best case
rich jolt
Yeah i use my ds2 as a ep farming tool with scriers gaze
rare arrow
Could probably use DS2 but need rampage
strong gulch
FS said some time ago that they were gonna buff the DS 2 and DS 5 to be more in line with DS 4, but here we are.
rich jolt
Keep bb and revolver in my pocket for heavy enemies
long wharf
FS said some time ago that they were gonna buff the DS 2 and DS 5 to be more in ...
classic FartShack
strong gulch
classic FartShack
That's my house.
long wharf
that's where I stick my dog when she gets the farts
she has nuclear farts
thankfully, my cat does not
buoyant maple
Which blessing should I harvest between the two (force sword)
- Superiority 3
- Bloodthirsty 4
tawny pebble
illisi, deimos, obscurus?
oh wait doi
uhh, bloodthirsty has been working out pretty well on my illisi
bleak tulip
neither is that good, bloodthirsty is only reasonable to run on illisi
buoyant maple
Ok thx
timber bolt
What are good knife for Psyker?
long wharf
you should definitely harvest Bloodthirsty 4
it's quite rare
I guess I'm a little late
tame hemlock
What's some good cosmetics to grind for? I want stuff you don't tend to see on other players often
strong gulch
Yeah both blessing are kinda meh. Bloodthristy 4 is the one I'd rip. It doesn't pop up are much.
potent echo
Superiority would be cool if it affected your blitz and ranged, but afaik it doesnt
strong gulch
What are good knife for Psyker?
Both knives are good, tho the mk 6 is better on psyker imo.
General recs are (taken from the Atheneum up in the pins)
perks: maniac, unyeilding, carapace (but you can make a lot of them work)
blessings uncanny strike + flesh tearer
potent echo
Uncanny and bleed vs bosses is really really strong
strong gulch
You could probably meme with bloodthirsty and empathic evasion. Too bad it doesn't have guaranteed crits for 5 seconds anymore.
long wharf
What's some good cosmetics to grind for? I want stuff you don't tend to see on o...
there is no grinding for the interesting cosmetics
the interesting ones are Aquila (premium currency) only, with no way of earning it in-game
long wharf
You could probably meme with bloodthirsty and empathic evasion. Too bad it doesn...
god, can you imagine how OP that would be now?
revert Bloodthirsty, revert infinite dodging
slap in SG, Warp Raider
go hog wild
strong gulch
Oooh I want.
long wharf
fun fact - that actress was fed a diet of amphetamines to keep her super thin
poor girl
google "wizard of oz actress diet"
rich jolt
Your fun fact isnt very fun :(
long wharf
fun fact - most fun facts aren't fun.
rich jolt
The bad ones
strong gulch
So many actresses from that era were treated horrifically. Really bleak.
long wharf
yeah
if you weren't a superstar, you were treated pretty poorly, but the actresses that weren't superstars were treated like shit
lethal lagoon
fun fact - that actress was fed a diet of amphetamines to keep her super thin
I mean her clothes were baggy and she wasn't even that thin. I wonder if it was just some weird control fetish from the producer or whoever was making her do that.
Hollywood is such a freak show
Poor girl.
long wharf
it was done in the name of "keeping her figure"
it's well documented from interviews with people who were on-set and dealing with her and the director
lethal lagoon
I wonder if actors/actresses frequently state "money doesn't buy you happiness" because the way they got their money fucked them up so much mentally.
Cause I can confirm, happiness can definitely be bought
long wharf
that phrase was a saying long before Hollywood
the truth of the matter is that money can't directly buy happiness, but it sure can put you in a position to be happier and enable you to buy things that can help you be happy
like prostitutes
strong gulch
Idk about money buying happiness, but crippling debt and lack of access to things certainly fucks up people's joy.
long wharf
oh definitely
strong gulch
lethal lagoon
debt eats up that mental ram
long wharf
money != happiness, and correlation isn't causation, but god damn does having money change things
long wharf
uh
lethal lagoon
that phrase was a saying long before Hollywood
I mean material items being the root of all sufferring isn't exactly a new idea either, but the source we often here it from is people who didn't earn their money.
long wharf
I intensely dislike anti-materialism
because I'm materialistic, even though I don't pin my happiness to how much I have
humans are naturally materialistic
we live in a material world, barbie
peak grotto
Flamestaff good
strong gulch
It's at the very least how we are conditioned.
long wharf
physical wealth isn't the root of all suffering, just the same
lethal lagoon
I don't disagree with that, so I dunno what I'm doing.
strong gulch
valid
tacit sorrel
What is good for staggering Ragers in melee? I can't seem to find anything that works on them.
spice veldt
duelling swords stagger ragers with their special
long wharf
stabbing them in the face and killing them also makes them stop swinging at you
long wharf
surge staff and trauma staff will both stagger ragers
spice veldt
and purg staff's LMB
long wharf
and purge, yeah
they'll run right through purge staff secondary, though
at least it's felt like it to me
tacit sorrel
I can juggle them with ranged stuff no problem, just can't manage them with melee
spice veldt
it's generally rough in melee against groups of them yeah
long wharf
if you aren't killing them in a swing or two, do not engage in melee with ragers
spice veldt
i'd try my best with ranged as much as I can
the strat on other classes is also to just gun them down before engaging them in melee
ragers are very annoying
long wharf
I love seeing groups of ragers on my plasma vet
lethal lagoon
I just yeet myself out of there.
tacit sorrel
I'm not choosing the. But when they rush up to you through a horde, you don't really have a choice
long wharf
yep, gotta adjust tactics
spice veldt
trauma/purg will be your friend then
strong gulch
DS special to the head will stagger everything except monstrosities.
Deimos H2 to the head. The special lock you both in an animation.
Illisi special will stop a rager. My memory is failing a bit; so I can't remember if it needs a headshot.
lethal lagoon
Positioning
spice veldt
spam purg LMB or trauma's secondary
since both can be comfortably used at close range against groups of ragers
lethal lagoon
Illsi will stop a rager but I don't think it will stop a combo, no?
spice veldt
it stops their combo
gilded ember
should i switch Riposte T4 with Shred T4 on my duelling sword IV
spice veldt
albeit cleaving only 3 dreg ragers or 2 flak ragers
lethal lagoon
It has to be a headshot, right?
long wharf
should i switch Riposte T4 with Shred T4 on my duelling sword IV
I prefer Shred to Riposte
spice veldt
nah can also be a bodyshot
cold ivy
force sword push attack will knock ragers on their ass
lethal lagoon
A bodyshot illy special will stop a rager combo?
long wharf
I don't do a lot of dancing with my ds
lethal lagoon
Hmm
potent echo
The brrr weapon
cold ivy
you can also stagger mauler overheads
spice veldt
walk up in them bitches and spam specials
cold ivy
i think crushers too
spice veldt
they're talking about the fsword push yeah
spice veldt
crushers just get stumbled back nowadays yeah instead of being immediately knocked to the ground
long wharf
man, having infinite dodges with fsword was so nice
potent echo
Imagine if you can push mutants though 
gilded ember
I prefer Shred to Riposte
the other blessing is uncanny T3 which is ok
spice veldt
but it's still nice
hardy coral
ive been bored out of my mind and wanted to try a slightly different build for the Smite/SoulBlaze Psyker and tried out the Bottom left part of the tree instead of the middle and honestly i feel like its a little bit more consistent damage wise but not drastically different, plus it does more damage with Staffs which is nice. 
long wharf
unlimited pushing and dodging because we get stamina back so fast
potent echo
I mean EP smite barely changes anything, might as well be keystoneless 
strong gulch
should i switch Riposte T4 with Shred T4 on my duelling sword IV
I would. Though your get the full crit chance that shred would provide with riposte, I personally don't like having to rely specifically on dodges to proc it my crit chance. Shred is easy to maintain and less conditional.
strong gulch
Above all other blessings, uncanny is the one to go for on DS. FOR SURE.
potent echo
Duelling without uncanny doesn't have any real purpose
Except staggering and killing mutants
lethal lagoon
I mean EP smite barely changes anything, might as well be keystoneless <:KEKW_og...
Ep smite with flaming shriek will do about 80-90% of a ragers health 🤷♂️ EP smite is generally way too strong for it's tiny skill ceiling.
potent echo
Mediocre horde clear
lethal lagoon
I'm glad most people don't know to take smite with EP and flaming shriek, or new psykers would literally be doomed.
They all use smite without either and eventually move on to other abilities.
long wharf
I definitely wouldn't call EP+smite "strong"
lethal lagoon
Neither did I
long wharf
the biggest part of using smite effectively is understanding that it's not for sitting there and keeping things immobile for 20 seconds
it's for halting and then pushing everything
lethal lagoon
I said it's "generally way too strong for it's tiny skill ceiling.
glossy solstice
Smite pretty bad
rich jolt
I like to run smite blaze vent with left keystone
rich jolt
Smite pretty bad
How so
potent echo
I would only ever take smite with gunker
lethal lagoon
Here's a smite only meme run.
potent echo
It's the best way to build peril for venting
glossy solstice
If I’m running a meta- cringe, gun psyker, I’ll take smite
lethal lagoon
I was literally smiting one lone target, so damage could have obviously been way better if it was a normal build.
There are lots of problems with smite, but it's not bad
potent echo
Idk what point you are trying to prove though
lethal lagoon
The biggest problem is that it makes it harder for your team to cleave and DPS
rich jolt
If I’m running a meta- cringe, gun psyker, I’ll take smite
Whats wrong with gunker
potent echo
It's fine that you like the playstyle but it's in no way good compared to other optiond
spice veldt
we will get our smite rework one day
glossy solstice
Whats wrong with gunker
What’s wrong with cringe?
rich jolt
Wow you must've woke up on the wrong side of the bed
long wharf
we will get our smite rework one day
hopefully surge staff gets tweaked as well
lethal lagoon
Idk what point you are trying to prove though <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
#psyker-class message That this is wrong.
glossy solstice
Lol
lethal lagoon
Also I don't really run smite often ever, it's so boring.
spice veldt
yeah i p much just shoot smited hordes nowadays
because god damn do pubs overuse it
#1 contributor to my increased ammo consumption in games
potent echo
But you agree that other options are better than EP smite right
lethal lagoon
I think if you are using smite frequently, EP is signifcant.
I don't think you should be doing that though
long wharf
if you're using smite frequently, either you, your team, or both are doing something very wrong
glossy solstice
Every keystone is better than ep
long wharf
Every keystone is better than ep
not for assail
potent echo
I'm actually thinking of an EP purg assail build, because I want to see malefic momentum and purg
lethal lagoon
EP BB is one of the worst designed game mechanics I've ever seen, but I'll still use cause I miss my old BB runs 🥹
glossy solstice
When assail was what you built around, I agree it was good
rich jolt
Smite is mainly for dealing with hordes your team cant deal with right now or small groups of enemies. If anyone sees someone keeping a horde at bay and uses smite they meed to have there spell rights revoked
potent echo
Also the usual purg vanilla psyker build I'm using is still too strong
long wharf
I still enjoy running a build around assail
Same Assail Time, Same Assail Channel, heretics
glossy solstice
EP BB is one of the worst designed game mechanics I've ever seen, but I'll still...
Exactly this
potent echo
Anyone used malefic momentum and purgatus together yet?
glossy solstice
I still enjoy running a build around assail
It’s not really bad if you build around it
spice veldt
yeah i run malefic momentum with purg cuz i use my gunker build all the time
rich jolt
Purge with assail is fun
spice veldt
doesn't see much action cuz i hold RMB most times with purg
so malefic pretty much only benefits assail
potent echo
yeah i run malefic momentum with purg cuz i use my gunker build all the time
Do you run DD or EP
rich jolt
Ugh dd
potent echo
Yea I'm thinking maybe EP
rich jolt
Makes my head hurt
potent echo
I'll play around with it later
long wharf
DD needs some love (and fixing)
lethal lagoon
DD literally just stops stacking for me like 50% of the time
potent echo
What do you mean
lethal lagoon
I had it happen 3 games in a row where DD just wouldn't stack for half the game
I mean literally what I said
I kill DD target, get small buff, no stack.
glossy solstice
DD for gunkyr and warp for space wizard
potent echo
That never happened to me rver
long wharf
it also glitches so you can't see what's marked
strong gulch
DD makes me lose my magpie mind.
potent echo
it also glitches so you can't see what's marked
Fixed
long wharf
you also lose all stacks at once when it times out
lethal lagoon
That never happened to me rver
Maybe you just didn't look at your buff bar?
potent echo
Yea that's kinda oof
potent echo
Maybe you just didn't look at your buff bar?
It's in the middle of my screen
potent echo
But I also play with 30ms ping so maybe
lethal lagoon
I dunno, try looking out for the bug next time you run DD, so you can be as annoyed as me
potent echo
Privileged
rich jolt
Trying to compete with your team to keep your stacks up makes the game feel like a chore more than anything
lethal lagoon
My ping is low, I'm not too sure why it would matter though.
glossy solstice
As a gun psyker running DD I am dodge sliding toward every single one of them and killing them first 80% of the time
lethal lagoon
DD just straight up stops giving stacks at random points in a match 
potent echo
Maybe because someone else killed your DD target
lethal lagoon
I get the buff
potent echo
Maybe it's a new bug, can report
lethal lagoon
It's been around for a while
To be clear, I get the buff, and I'm 100% getting the kill.
There's just no stack.
craggy sedge
What are good blessings for dueling sword?
potent echo
Did you take 3 stacks with weakspot kill
lethal lagoon
It'll stay that way for about 10 minutes, and then the stacks will just start working again
I think it's 2?
But yeah I have it on, huh
potent echo
3
lethal lagoon
Maybe that's bugging.
potent echo
1+2 so yea
shadow wigeon
I had it happen 3 games in a row where DD just wouldn't stack for half the game
Yeah I'v seen this too many times
glossy solstice
Uncanny and riposte
lethal lagoon
Did you take 3 stacks with weakspot kill
Do you never use that?
glossy solstice
Or shred
potent echo
I always use it
shadow wigeon
The DD buff gets applied, but you dont get a stack.
lethal lagoon
I always use it
I'm kinda convinced you just don't notice the stacks not happening
Oh well, maybe you are just a lucky man
potent echo
Maybe, but everytime I drop stacks I will start looking
Once I hit 15 I just stop looking
lethal lagoon
Same... and then I look again and notice the stacks are gone and won't come back.
shadow wigeon
I've seen the bug - or whatever it is - in at least 5 games
but out of maybe 40 I've used DD
glossy solstice
Did you lose your movement speed buff. Pretty noticiable
lethal lagoon
I've seen the bug - or whatever it is - in at least 5 games
I had it literally 3 times in a row and then "rage quit" for the night.
shadow wigeon
Oh yeah I had stretches in a game where it would not gain stacks several times, then went back to working.
not even at no stacks, I recall being at 7 and just not gaining them
With the buff popping each time
empty timber
Psyker lvl 11 lfg/carry malleus monstronum please
potent echo
I know DD has the pity refresh
If you hit a target but you teammate kills it, you refresh your DD stacks
shadow wigeon
I know DD has the pity refresh
I wondered if it was some kind of almost-kill effect
shadow wigeon
If you hit a target but you teammate kills it, you refresh your DD stacks
It could be that then, because it felt like the timer was also not running normally, although i did not confirm that
lethal lagoon
So it pity refreshes and then can't stack anymore, that's possible.