yes! and the best part is you can get up to +30% damage for 10s after leaving Scrier's Gaze
I burn everything, then once I hit 100% Peril I take out my Sword and 1-tap Heavy hit whatever didn't die from fire.
Tried that on bosses.. you remove big chunks of HP off them lol
#psyker-class
swift grail
the only enemy you'll ever have trouble with is Ragers because they are very resistant to stagger and you dont have enough stagger to stop them from attacking.
I died once in my video because of that. Solution is to keep enough distance from them so they burn before they can touch you
orchid nest
You should be good against them in your setup there on both fronts. both the DS special and the purg left click stagger ragers out of their attacking animations
swift grail
You should be good against them in your setup there on both fronts. both the DS ...
ye I only ever had trouble with groups of ragers who came from different directions and not at the same time (meaning one would be staggered when the other was into his immune to stagger interval)
orchid nest
yeah them flanking you can suck. thankfully DS is so good at repositioning
ionic needle
Ragers with nurgles blessing are the worst though
orchid nest
lol yeah
nurgle blessed ones feel more like dealing with berserkers from VT2. not in the sense that it was impossible to stagger them there, just in general approach
in the builds you could manage to reliably stagger them from animations though it was great
ionic needle
Scab melee only maelstrom, this should be good
fluid aspen
No ammo pickups. lols in psyker
rare arrow
Ragers with nurgles blessing are the worst though
Even then, dueling sword can one or two shot ragers. Either special action and one shot them, or if they are blessed and can’t be staggered heavy them
rare arrow
Scab melee only maelstrom, this should be good
If that’s the crusher/mauler spam mission just take smite and surge staff
Or smite and void
pliant dock
does anyone know if the old penance "going out with a bang" is bugged?(blow yourself up with warp explotion and kill elites). It says I have to kill 1 elite enemy on malice or higher. I did it a couple of times and its not completed. The penance used to require 3 elites but now it just says "1"
near drift
As long as you make sure its an elite and soulfire doesn't kill them before it should pop
I just walked into a group of a few shotgunners and softened them with lmb staff bolts, blew up and it worked
devout robin
i just yeeted myself into a group upon accidentally perilling myself and got it
the explosion damage is actually quite high now, i remember killing like 9 ragers wit hit
i would unironically recommend doing higher difficulties with more enemy density, i think it is still a group of 3
hasty breach
for scrier's gaze, once it ends, what effect lingers for 10 seconds? the crit chance or only the built up damage bonus?
olive ember
could be wrong tho
ionic needle
for scrier's gaze, once it ends, what effect lingers for 10 seconds? the crit ch...
Pretty sure it's only the damage bonus
olive ember
after it ends you gain a damage buff
which isn't active while scriers is active iirc
nvrm i have no clue how scriers works
rich jolt
I like scriers gaze its fun
But it can be rough not having the support of dummy dome and scream
rare arrow
I just don’t think it’s good enough
rare arrow
after it ends you gain a damage buff
Whatever buff you have built up remains for 10s after scrier’s ends
rich jolt
I think its good enough but i wouldnt be apposed to a buff
rare arrow
I think it’s by far the worst active
It doesn’t add anything, and the other two can be so influential
It would be better as a triggerable keystone rather than an active
Even maintaining 100% uptime on it 30% damage and 20% crit chance is just not enough
rich jolt
There always has to be a worst. You buff it then something else becomes the worst. If its fine as is dont buff it thats how power creep happens
spice veldt
it's worst and niche
rare arrow
It should be a side grade
rich jolt
And gaze is fine
rare arrow
If it did something like skills that cost peril do not cost peril in scrier’s it would be a side grade and pickable
vast yew
IMO Gaze does exactly what it needs to, which is be a peril generator for Gunkers
rare arrow
As is your best killing tools boost peril and make it very difficult to maintain
rich jolt
Its on the gunker side anyway
rare arrow
IMO Gaze does exactly what it needs to, which is be a peril generator for Gunker...
That is all it does, I 100% agree
kindred ivy
Gaze is fun as fuck
rare arrow
It’s a peril generator for a niche build
kindred ivy
i love using is VS
spice veldt
being unable to exit it manually except by hitting 100% peril is quite silly
kindred ivy
kindred ivy
being unable to exit it manually except by hitting 100% peril is quite silly
and quite fucking dangerous
rare arrow
But with some tweaks it could be viable for other builds as well
near drift
Scriers is fun with an illisi that has exorcist, thats about all I've really messed with it
glossy solstice
the only enemy you'll ever have trouble with is Ragers because they are very res...
You could also alt attack using Dualing Sword or Antax, that will always stagger on weakpoint hit.
rare arrow
being unable to exit it manually except by hitting 100% peril is quite silly
Right? Add an “click to end” should be easy
vast yew
The only changes I'd make to it is allowing the Warp Siphon cooldown reduction effect to work
vast yew
that too
rare arrow
Just have it reduce peril gain from non-gaze sources by 50% or 75%
Then you could use it with assail or BB
vast yew
Just have it reduce peril gain from non-gaze sources by 50% or 75%
it already has a node that reduces all peril gained, including it's own, by 20%
rare arrow
And, maybe smite? May actually give smite enough damage to
vast yew
you can keep it going for a decently long time if you quell with a staff
gusty furnace
do I keep carapace or grab flak
rare arrow
it already has a node that reduces all peril gained, including it's own, by 20%
Needs to be more, 20% is 2 peril on an assail
spice veldt
2 of the blitzes being unable to benefit from some portions of scrier's is also humorous
brainburst can't benefit from precognition because it has a 1x weakspot multiplier
smite doesn't crit
rare arrow
The skill was just made as a niche and could be changed to fix that
gusty furnace
what is "Scrier's Gaze" or "Smite" 
rare arrow
That being said, psyker’s still have the strongest skills
gusty furnace
(this is the only psyker build I use)
vestal fulcrum
do I keep carapace or grab flak
Flak doesn’t do a whole lot on Deimos. I’d say switch it to Unyielding
rare arrow
what is "Scrier's Gaze" or "Smite" <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Good ol pre talent psyker
gusty furnace
I guess if it lets me oneshot ragers that's neat
it used to
but then the great gigabuffining
rich jolt
Duel sword revolver ep with gaze and bb is super fun
gusty furnace
so I dunno
rare arrow
I’m not a fan of BB
gusty furnace
Brainburst is ass because revolver exists
and I guess plasma gun
everyone and their mother are running them
gusty furnace
and its outright impossible to compete with them
spice veldt
and guns in general
kindred ivy
tru duel sword revolver, shriek ep smite
rich jolt
Bb does need a buff
kindred ivy
for insta wins
rare arrow
BB doesn’t do anything way better than other options
queen fog
Glances at my boss damage
gusty furnace
Which has come in huge for clutches for me
gusty furnace
Don't need to really push up
rare arrow
As long as you can click them and then hide sure
gusty furnace
enemies can come to you while you pick off elites and specials
rare arrow
Or you could throw a void-bowling ball and kill it all
vast yew
BB is better for Carapace and Unyielding damage; it does what it needs to do on the builds that take it, and can be quite effective with EP
Personally I wouldn't run BB on a Voidstrike build, because you're never going to use it
gusty furnace
BB might be "bad" but its still a good skill.
vast yew
but for Purgatus or Trauma, sure
rare arrow
Assail, bubble, DS, void staff and smite, surge are by far my most carry potential builds
rich jolt
Id say the hardest thing to use about bb is the fact that the game always pops whatever is in front of me. Trying to burst a crusher and last second poxwalker goes GET DOWN MR PRESIDENT and it gets wasted
gusty furnace
Personally I wouldn't run BB on a Voidstrike build, because you're never going t...
Its almost like building your kit to meet different requirements is part of the gameplay loop
rare arrow
So many clips of soloing AD Maelstrom hordes into some revives
gusty furnace
which is why things like revolver are problematic, because it does literally everything.
untold widget
for insta wins
Instawins is probably the wrong word for it. Surefire, slow, agonizing wins maybe lol
gusty furnace
Crushers? Sure. Bulwarks? Sure. Line of shotgunners? You fuckin know it baby.
rare arrow
BB is better for Carapace and Unyielding damage; it does what it needs to do on ...
BB does less than void staff to carapace because both weakspot and crits
vast yew
BB does less than void staff to carapace because both weakspot and crits
Completely irrelevant as you don't run Void with BB
I was talking about between the blitzes
gusty furnace
Yeah, just because voidstrike exists doesn't mean BB has a role
there's three other staffs
rare arrow
I don’t run BB almost at all anymore, but that is it’s niche
gusty furnace
and two of them function great with BB(Trauma and Purgatus)
rare arrow
Though smite stops them in place infinitely and can deal with carapace while under pressure
gusty furnace
I'd throw electro staff on there too, to be honest.
rare arrow
Where as BB cannot deal with things under pressure
gusty furnace
Lots of sneaky long ranged enemies
rare arrow
It’s a win-more talent
ionic needle
Surge works well with BB yeah
rare arrow
If you’re safe and nothing has gone wrong BB can do it’s thing
gusty furnace
Its almost like BB is fine on everything but voidstrike
rare arrow
If shit hits the fan you are not hitting BB
vast yew
Smite can't deal with snipers, Bombers, or any of the other problems Purgatus can't deal with
Assail can, but then you give up Psykinetic's Aura
gusty furnace
I like smite with uh. . . voidstrike and shock staff
rich jolt
Brain burst needs like a 10% faster charge time and needs to cost 33 peril and its be goated
gusty furnace
as both of them get weird during hordes
If you have a hallway, void is great
if you don't, smite and let the team do the work of killing
rare arrow
You have 2 scenarios smite is maybe worse both solved by any number of the same weapon
Also, it’s only the niche that bombers are >25m away
vast yew
Personally if I'm on a build that plans to actually use BB with any frequency I want to go EP BB
near drift
I'm lazy and do purgy/vent/EP BB
rare arrow
I like smite with uh. . . voidstrike and shock staff
My favorite pairings with it as well.
vast yew
Best tech with EP BB: the 100% Peril reduction applies to the right click
rare arrow
I pair trauma or surge with BB
vast yew
so you can hold right click, then left click to insta-pop people
prevents vets from sniping your targets
gusty furnace
I just wish Warp Charges were still granted by brainburst 
Trying to line up a kill with BB
rare arrow
Another downside of BB, someone can just drop your target wasting your time. Though fairly niche if your group isn’t bad
vast yew
that said, I only run BB on two builds: Blaze Trauma (who doesn't really need any blitz, but it's never going to use Smite so BB it is) and Purgatus (EP BB to deal with Gunners)
gusty furnace
and getting literally nothing for it because a vet with a revolver exists is infuriating
fatshark
please give back warp charges on everyone
and not just any kill on an elite or special
vast yew
They could swap Kinetic Flayer with a node that allows BB kills to grant a stack of your Keystone passive
rare arrow
that said, I only run BB on two builds: Blaze Trauma (who doesn't really need an...
This, it’s strong with trauma because it covers for BBs weakness to pressure
vast yew
Eh I don't really use it on the Trauma build, it just kinda exists there
eager mantle
Yup BB is either with my trauma or purg staff
vast yew
it only comes out if there's a billion gunners that I can't reach
otherwise the Trauma just gets used; I barely pull out melee either on that build
rare arrow
BB in general just never feels good to me. Needs to be half the cast time, or a higher damage for better thresholds
gusty furnace
eager mantle
But I been trying to run BB with warp charges again and I can't do it. I hate not having fast EP charges
olive ember
Brainburst is ass because revolver exists
BB gives me anti armor when I run purge staff tho
gusty furnace
until gunners
vast yew
it sees a lot more use on my Purg build, with or without EP
gusty furnace
or snipers/bombers
vast yew
but with EP is much, much nicer
kindred ivy
not that slow
rare arrow
EP adds everything to BB that it needs
eager mantle
BB in general just never feels good to me. Needs to be half the cast time, or a ...
Fatshark has to know that (yes don't do it stupid) the cast time being the same for a poxwalker vs bruiser vs a gunner vs a rager being the same feels like ass.
kindred ivy
tbh EP helps a lot of the blitz centered builds
rare arrow
Fatshark has to know that (yes don't do it stupid) the cast time being the same ...
Make it deal. X damage per second, and as it does you gain peril
gusty furnace
Fatshark has to know that (yes don't do it stupid) the cast time being the same ...
fatshark "solved" the cast time with quicken
olive ember
Well yes... the keystones designed to buff blitzes are good with blitz centered builds
gusty furnace
or whatever its called now
rare arrow
Then you can one shot things you need to but it may cost more peril
kindred ivy
"technically warpcharges bla bla bla", yeah
rare arrow
Also, if someone shoots it you still felt damage and had some impact
eager mantle
Ew
olive ember
It was called kinetic barrage before
quicken was the "expend warp charges to give CDR" skill
eager mantle
It's nice when it happens but yea...still eh
olive ember
im psure
rare arrow
Kinetic Resonance I guess
Idk, doesn’t feel good.
gusty furnace
It'd be REALLY fucking cool if I wasn't forced to dump warp charges though
olive ember
yeah idk why they removed the entire concept of stacking warp charges for damage
gusty furnace
The warp charge tree is already super bloated anyway
eager mantle
Venting is cool, but man. Bubble shields
But the warp calls for more death
gusty furnace
just make another talent at the bottom that does the cooldown thing
baking it into warp charges was fucking dumb
olive ember
bubble shields is great if you don't know how to deal with shooters and need to turtle
olive ember
I ignore shields half the time tho cuz I run it down kekw
olive ember
eh
rare arrow
I’d argue good is an understatement, but we agree lol
olive ember
any time you use shield I'd just take shriek
rich jolt
Dome shield is literally one of the best abilities in the game
rare arrow
Bubble shield
gusty furnace
Dome shield is literally one of the best abilities in the game
That is not true
rare arrow
Dammit, shotgun beat me to it
gusty furnace
that goes to either Voice of Command or Tactical Awareness on veteran
vast yew
Dome is good, but Shriek is better in most cases, yes
kindred ivy
bubbowshild
vast yew
it depends on what you need in the build
olive ember
shriek is better if you know what to do with it*
rich jolt
I was talking like top 5
lunar hollow
dome is really funny for finding out a pub psyker has 0 gamesense at the start of a match
kindred ivy
i prefer shrek
olive ember
if you have no clue how to use shriek dome is def low skill low effort
gusty furnace
shriek lets me not perils of the warp jihad journey
olive ember
and reap all the benefits
gusty furnace
so that's why I use it
rare arrow
Bubble shield smiteker can take malice players into Damnation safely
olive ember
dome is really funny for finding out a pub psyker has 0 gamesense at the start o...
elaborate
kindred ivy
where ther middle event before the elevator u have to defend while on the other side of the room 1203987213 gunners appears
that is a good shield place
vast yew
Dome tells your team to group up, gives toughness regen/dr, and blocks ranged fire (while bullying 2 of the bosses)
Shriek gives on-demand peril reduction and with Creeping Flames + other soulblaze talents can clear entire hordes effortlessly, especially if you build to spam it
olive ember
I've seen a couple dome psykers but they're the ones who place dome, turtle in it, and then proceed to get fucked by 3 ragers
lunar hollow
elaborate
guy pops it at the sight of 4 shooters, i am now aware we are playing a 3 man game
rare arrow
Dome tells your team to group up, gives toughness regen/dr, and blocks ranged fi...
Some essentially is free revives assuming you take the block to peril trait
Dome
vast yew
Even without warpcharges the shield CD isn't that bad
olive ember
Dome tells your team to group up, gives toughness regen/dr, and blocks ranged fi...
It hints at the team to group up, a hint I ignore
rare arrow
Ragers get trivializes by DS
Though, I don’t use any melee other than dueling sword anymore
rich jolt
I never feel like i need wc with shield its usually ready when i need it
kindred ivy
also, whats the take on DD vs Warp Charges?
kindred ivy
i cant take warpcharges with gaze 😔
lunar hollow
i will literally never take warp charges when the prerequisite nodes are so bad and it requires so many points if u want to do anything at all with it
kindred ivy
for the amazing scrier voidstrike
vast yew
Some essentially is free revives assuming you take the block to peril trait
Yes, which is why it is good.
Where Shriek tends to edge it out is that 6 stacks of Soulblaze from Creeping Flames will kill all Groaners, Poxwalkers, and Shooters. If you get a PC or Blaze Trauma proc on top, it also kills all Bruisers
olive ember
wdym, the prerequisite nodes are amazing apparently
something something puppet master
and quell speed
lunar hollow
quellspeed never does anything for me and coherency radius is a wasted point
rich jolt
Extra coherence range and quell speed
kindred ivy
i wish the DD time wasnt so shit
15 seconds else u lose all stacks
is fucking horrible
rich jolt
30% speed to be specific
kindred ivy
i always have to take the 30 second verison
vast yew
Coherency Radius is almost always worth it for just a single point
olive ember
idk I don't use either but apparently puppet master is decent according to pygex and quell speed is aight ig
rare arrow
Both of those nodes feel super good to have
rich jolt
Dd feels so akward to use
eager mantle
Though, I don’t use any melee other than dueling sword anymore
I want a force dueling sword. Let me be greedy
lunar hollow
it would be more tolerable if it applied to passive as well as active quelling
vast yew
there's always going to be fights where you get just a bit too spread out
kindred ivy
DD feels better with the extended time
vast yew
50% radius increase is more than double the area
rare arrow
I want a force dueling sword. Let me be greedy
Let me feed energy into my ds to one shot pierce anything. I agree!
kindred ivy
it just soo weird that without the extended tmie it feels useless
rare arrow
Gimme
lunar hollow
coherency is a mechanic i will literally never play with in mind
lunar hollow
it's terrible and really doesn't do anything on psyker where you shit out toughness for breathing
kindred ivy
skill issue
rare arrow
It’s a team mechanic my guy
rich jolt
coherency is a mechanic i will literally never play with in mind
That's why youre hardstuck in reg damn probably
rich jolt
Jk
kindred ivy
COOP
lunar hollow
i can play with a team without relying on being stuck within a certain proximity of them
vast yew
There's other things than toughness regen tied to coherency, like Psykinetic Aura procs
rare arrow
That's why youre hardstuck in reg damn probably<:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
I was going to say it too tho.
lunar hollow
especially on a class with such fantastic ranged options like the staffs or assail
kindred ivy
i can play with a team without relying on being stuck within a certain proximity...
zealot take
vast yew
and if you stay next to teammates you help them regen
rare arrow
i can play with a team without relying on being stuck within a certain proximity...
Then you’re hurting them and yourself
vast yew
not paying attention to coherency is... well it's kinda stupid to be frank
spice oar
https://youtu.be/oY2tZvOH2C4?si=hTngbQCnjWYB97zh new ryken build 
rare arrow
Tell me, which yellow passive do you take
Just curious which buff your team isn’t getting
olive ember
not paying attention to coherency is... well it's kinda stupid to be frank
eh depends on the build
vast yew
even if you don't need the toughness your teammates might
lunar hollow
crit, cuz all i play nowadays is full right side gunker
there's legit 1 good aura in the game outside of hm twins and that's survivalist
kindred ivy
https://youtu.be/oY2tZvOH2C4?si=hTngbQCnjWYB97zh new ryken build <:thumbsup_ogry...
"new build" -> someone here has likelly already done it and was told its shit
rich jolt
Just curious which buff your team isn’t getting
Im starting to become convinced you just dont like psyker
What do you like
lunar hollow
the rest are basically nonexistent and are just talents with bigger icons
vast yew
eh depends on the build
even if I'm not in coherency all the time I'm always paying attention to it
rare arrow
Im starting to become convinced you just dont like psyker
I love psyker
rich jolt
You just hate half his tree?
rare arrow
I have around 500 zealot hours and closing in at 400 ish psyker
kindred ivy
even if I'm not *in* coherency all the time I'm always paying attention to it
L take
zealot purification or TDR aura is nuts
vast yew
giving team 10% cdr and 5% cooldown per elite/specialist kill is goated
olive ember
even if I'm not *in* coherency all the time I'm always paying attention to it
rly? I never care about coherency unless I notice a severe lack of toughness gen
olive ember
which is literally never on psyker
spice oar
"new build" -> someone here has likelly already done it and was told its shit
get tf out of here with that negativity do i look like i give 2 shits if some random ass did the build allready. im just sharing a vid i found cool godamm
olive ember
cuz psyker toughness gen is stupid
kindred ivy
misquote lmao
yeah i missclicked
rare arrow
Why do you think I hate half the tree? The only things I don’t play are BB typically, and gaze cause I don’t like gunker.
kindred ivy
it was tot the persona above u
vast yew
rly? I never care about coherency unless I notice a severe lack of toughness gen
staying near your team buffs them, which can turn mid teammates into decent ones
kindred ivy
CDR aura and 5% cdr per elite kill is insance
rich jolt
You also dont like his auras apparently
olive ember
eh staying near team means playing like a snail as they figure out how to kill 3 poxwalkers
rare arrow
Im starting to become convinced you just dont like psyker
Are you asking because of my reply to MA? He said he doesn’t play in coherency so I wanted to know which yellow passive he wasn’t giving his team
kindred ivy
u can push with your team
golden tartan
CDR aura and 5% cdr per elite kill is insance
Its ok
rare arrow
You also dont like his auras apparently
Read what I said above again
lunar hollow
i don't run psykinetic aura like ever, and if i was i wouldn't be relying on teammates to get it
golden tartan
Benefits psyker the most
vast yew
eh staying near team means playing like a snail as they figure out how to kill 3...
then you kill them with Dueling Sword and everyone gets going faster
kindred ivy
what?
golden tartan
but vet and zealot barely care about CDR aura
kindred ivy
no?
lunar hollow
because you just kill the elites yourself
rare arrow
I think all 3 psyker passives are good
rich jolt
Oh mb to many people are talking im getting people mixed up
kindred ivy
zealot prayer gets helped A LOT by the cdr stuff
kindred ivy
every person benefits a lot from CDR
lunar hollow
if a zealot wants cdr they take crit cdr and shit out ults constantly
golden tartan
zealot prayer gets helped A LOT by the cdr stuff
Zealot literally has too much CDR
rich jolt
I cant tell whats even happening
golden tartan
One swing and bam their cooldown is off
rare arrow
but vet and zealot barely care about CDR aura
Zealot likes it. Can sometimes do instant resets in CTW crit builds without it but it’s still good
vast yew
There's a few builds where the 5% Elite damage actually hits a breakpoint or two, but otherwise CDR do be the way to go
kindred ivy
prayer has longer cd
vast yew
also Zealot loves CDR if they aren't a crit build
kindred ivy
^^
golden tartan
Imagine not being a crit zealot
kindred ivy
vet too
golden tartan
rare arrow
Prayer zealot loves the CDR as typically they aren’t pushed hard into crit
kindred ivy
everyone loves the CD
golden tartan
Vet finds it ok
olive ember
Vet depends on skill
kindred ivy
at the end of the day you want your ability ready wheneve ru need it
lunar hollow
basically every vet build is going to take tactical awareness because it's both a small point investment cost and paths to stuff like iron will
olive ember
cuz vet also has CDR skills and fucking exe stance is just infinite pew pew if theres enough shit to shoot
rare arrow
Zealot 100% loves the CDR no matter what build they’re playing.
golden tartan
Mostly cost Vet already has absurd CDR
lunar hollow
you're drastically overstating the effectiveness of it and relying on them not taking specific builds
vast yew
basically every vet build is going to take tactical awareness because it's both ...
Tac aware doesn't proc on Elites
only specials
olive ember
I take CDR for the selfish reason of spamming fire and also
lunar hollow
doesn't matter. you ever played a hishock?
olive ember
more venting means more explosions
vast yew
matters to the Executioner's Stance Plasma vet
golden tartan
Vet should have shout permanently firing off every CD unless theres no pressure at all
golden tartan
matters to the Executioner's Stance Plasma vet
Does not
kindred ivy
sorry none plays hishick u clearly must be the only one
olive ember
Executioners is like the one skill that doesn't need CDR what
golden tartan
Exec stance is perma up
lunar hollow
exe stance just chains
olive ember
you can just extend it until it refreshes
kindred ivy
🙏 smite shriek
vast yew
eh okay bad example lol
olive ember
cuz exe stance CD ticks while its still active
lunar hollow
<:XD:1037816682397319248> sorry none plays hishick u clearly must be the only on...
some dude tried to stay i was stuck in reg damnation? all i asked was if someone had
rich jolt
🍿
kindred ivy
you can just extend it until it refreshes
u cant do that anymore
lunar hollow
because that's not a very good point with how aurics go most of the time
golden tartan
u cant do that anymore
Yes you can
golden tartan
Yes
olive ember
yes
kindred ivy
thats stupid
olive ember
don't know
kindred ivy
lmao
golden tartan
I mean cos exec stance is the worst of the 3 vet abilities
lunar hollow
they made a different design decision for exe stance and then immediately went back on it
vast yew
I mean exe stance needs some love
golden tartan
Still arguably is
vast yew
it's a huge talent point sink
olive ember
either way
kindred ivy
🤷♂️
lunar hollow
exe stance is w/e. player damage is too high for me to care and it doesn't have something insane like unwavering focus
it's nice on uh
bolter
golden tartan
Nah bolter doesnt want exec
golden tartan
Doesnt help breakpoints
lunar hollow
it's for the recoil more than anything
rich jolt
Bolter has no recoil thou?
Fym mean chief
vast yew
can't talk much about bolter as Brunt refuses to sell me one with Stability over 50
lunar hollow
when i play bolter all i do is find a babysitter and shoot stuff
i mean depends on what ur shooting. lots of stuff doesn't need surgical stacks
vast yew
and that base sway is stupidly high
golden tartan
Fym mean chief
Since P13 Bolter recoil resets quickly
golden tartan
and that base sway is stupidly high
Bolter wants deadshot
which completely fixes that problem
lunar hollow
like a conga line of gunners or shotgunners
kindred ivy
i wish that the bolter returned 2 ammo per survivalist proc
lunar hollow
and yea i dont use deadshot ever because i suck with it
vast yew
Bolter wants deadshot
Even with it if you have Stability under half it still jumps a bit
kindred ivy
caues rn it feels soo bad
rich jolt
I mean it resets quickly yeah but you can't fire in succession without being blinded my the top of the gun
kindred ivy
compared to a revolver
golden tartan
i wish that the bolter returned 2 ammo per survivalist proc
This would be hilariously busted lmao
Even as is bolter is already ammo neutral
kindred ivy
rn its just bad revolver
lunar hollow
survivalist should just die
rich jolt
rn its just bad revolver
^
lunar hollow
a bunch of guns rn are just worse revolver
kindred ivy
ig so
lunar hollow
the problem is not the other guns
kindred ivy
nerfing revovler and palsma
kindred ivy
would be iniec
golden tartan
Revolver having infinite clip size removes its last weakness
You know
having to actually reload
golden tartan
Ye
vast yew
what's this infinite clip size now?
lunar hollow
revolver has been insane since p13 came out
kindred ivy
u have to reload it
golden tartan
Melee vet just has infinite clip size revolver
kindred ivy
OHH
lunar hollow
not on weapon specialist vet
vast yew
oh
lunar hollow
which is comedy
golden tartan
Lel imagine reloading
lunar hollow
the day the keystone came out i did dc7/revo and didn't press reload once through an entire hishock
kindred ivy
thatshilarious actually
vast yew
yeah I run weapon specialist Plasma so I don't have to do the reload
kindred ivy
i run revovle rpsiker
vast yew
because otherwise even with the cancel tech reloading a Plasma takes years
golden tartan
Weapon spec revolver melee vet is like, miles ahead of other vets
Tbf you rarely need to reload a plasma
rich jolt
because otherwise even with the cancel tech reloading a Plasma takes years
Tactical reload
lunar hollow
tbf with plasma u very often only need to reload during downtime
golden tartan
Plasma I feel is... more just braindead easy to use
rather than OP
Revolver definitely is borked with infinite clip size
olive ember
Infinite clip size?
golden tartan
Weapon spec
olive ember
ah
rich jolt
Right keystone on vet
olive ember
Eh I don't run weapon spec but ik what you are talking about
golden tartan
It fits the playstyle perfectly
golden tartan
Fair
lunar hollow
tag keystone is wholly uninteresting to me
golden tartan
Tag has some nice interactions
rich jolt
I wish ammo aura with vet was middle
lunar hollow
i will only run it if i get stuck as the tag keystone vet guy in a hm twins
golden tartan
I wish ammo aura with vet was middle
Please no
rich jolt
Please yes
olive ember
ammo aura is like the strongest aura in the game
olive ember
it should be right side kekw
olive ember
make the filthy gun vets path right to get ammo aura
golden tartan
Actually just fucking rework survivalist DAMMIT
lunar hollow
i wish field improv was the squad leader aura
golden tartan
For the love of god
rich jolt
Buff ammo aura put it right side and make it increase reload speed
untold widget
love all this vet discussion in the psyker channel
golden tartan
Survivalist should die
olive ember
screw you
golden tartan
And just give everyone +25% base ammo
olive ember
survivalist gives me infinite ammo on my revolver
golden tartan
or something
olive ember
It means I don't have to care about ammo smh
golden tartan
It means I don't have to care about ammo smh
Thats... exactly why it should die xD
half iron
survivalist should die. prevents me from stealing more ammo as a gunker
olive ember
Thats... exactly why it should die xD
;-; but I'm the zealot with a revolver
untold widget
who needs ammo anyways, just use a staff
ionic needle
I think the base aura version of each class should stack with whatever is selected in the tree, that way every vet would have at least some ammo regen
golden tartan
Ammo economy being tied to a single aura that a single class can take is silly
lunar hollow
tbf i think it would be cool if the vet keystones each had different methods of regenerating ammo for the veteran
rich jolt
Buff ammo aura put in middle make it give you extra reload speed buff middle keystone
olive ember
look, the rando vet crumbles in like a few ragers,
golden tartan
tbf i think it would be cool if the vet keystones each had different methods of ...
Maybe.
Atm though vet kinda just... doesnt need ammo
at all
lunar hollow
because then u can have veteran guy with his different interactions with ammo economy compared to the other classes
stone canyon
Gunners should have small chance to drop ammo, so higher mob density would scale ammo drops too then
lunar hollow
Maybe.
Atm though vet kinda just... doesnt need ammo
yea well nobody really does if anyone brings survivalist
golden tartan
Tru
lunar hollow
there's super annoying balance interactions, like the ogryn kickback has too much ammo rn, but it's in the same state with a survivalist vet as it was before patch 13
golden tartan
Its cos plasma is like
lunar hollow
where u just dont care about ammo regardless
golden tartan
benefiting the least from survivalist
half iron
plasma vet #2576 on their way to shoot the lone poxburster within melee range of someone else then complaining about ammo
golden tartan
there's super annoying balance interactions, like the ogryn kickback has too muc...
Also the helbores
The helbores are allergic to ammo pickups
olive ember
In all seriousness, I feel like if they remove ammo aura they are just going to buff the ammo reserves of every gun to balance anyways
lunar hollow
lmao yeah
olive ember
and suddenly no one needs ammo either way
lunar hollow
In all seriousness, I feel like if they remove ammo aura they are just going to ...
news flash
they already did this
olive ember
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lunar hollow
like literally patch 14
golden tartan
In all seriousness, I feel like if they remove ammo aura they are just going to ...
Yea but this means your ammo eco isnt tied to whether you have a surv vet in the team, and vets dont feel obligated to path left
lunar hollow
iags had unusably bad ammo pools, non-mgxii lasguns had terrible damage per ammo pools
etc
golden tartan
iags had unusably bad ammo pools, non-mgxii lasguns had terrible damage per ammo...
Uh
Helbore
olive ember
I mean I'd argue they feel obligated to path left because the other two auras are dogshit
lunar hollow
i meant the infantry lasguns
lunar hollow
mg1a mgiv literally just outright did less damage than the mgxii
golden tartan
I mean I'd argue they feel obligated to path left because the other two auras ar...
Yea so if you remove surv, then well
No more pathing obligation
:P
olive ember
lmao they get to choose between the two trash options
and wte reworked survivalist is
golden tartan
Tbf the infantry lasguns in P14 all had ample ammo, the MG12 just had WAY too much
lunar hollow
and has much more utility than ogryn's 10% heavy attack aura
olive ember
cuz I like recon las
lunar hollow
like fire team is actually one of the "best" auras
ionic needle
Vets feeling they're obligated to pick survivalist are negatively correlated to if the psyker on the team is running a gunker build. I swear I almost never get a survivalist vet whenever I decide to run columnus.
golden tartan
Vet auras is just skewed cos of fucking survivalist
olive ember
fire team is flat out better than elite damage
I mean how much damage
like what breakpoints will 5% hit
its 5% right
lunar hollow
you don't care about that for any other damage aura
olive ember
or am I having a dumb dumb moment
golden tartan
I mean how much damage
I mean 5% vs everything is still better than 5% vs elites
olive ember
I mean
lunar hollow
but fire team is universally applicable
olive ember
I think the psyker damage aura is also bad
golden tartan
Oh yea all the damage auras are uh
olive ember
idk what ogryn has cuz I barely play ogryn
golden tartan
ble
lunar hollow
none of the auras outside survivalist and beacon of purity (in hardmode twins) do anything worth playing around
golden tartan
10% damage on heavy attack
lunar hollow
10% damage on heavy attack is literally equivalent to some of ogryn's pathing nodes
golden tartan
ehhh I'd say zealot toughness DR is
it exists
lunar hollow
20% coherency replenishment aura for ogryn is... two coherency pathing nodes
ionic needle
10% heavy damage should be really good if you're running knife or ds 4
olive ember
its a flat 15% DR which does work well with ogryn, vet iron will, zealot builds in general
golden tartan
its a flat 15% DR which does work well with ogryn, vet iron will, zealot builds ...
Nah DR stacks multiplicatively
lunar hollow
it's multiplicative, don't think it stacks additively with other sources
golden tartan
So its not that good
lunar hollow
it's nice, but it's not a reason to stick by another player
surv is, beacon of purity in hardmode twins is because you can take a shit ton of corruption damage
golden tartan
like with Iron will its... 50% DR vs 57.5% DR
olive ember
ah
cyan notch
its still 15% less damage taken
ionic needle
15% less toughness damage
olive ember
I mean thats 15% less damage on first hit
And some fraction of that on 2nd hit and by 3rd hit it’s kind of a “bruh stop getting hit”
golden tartan
Id say its not that useful cos most of the threatening things arent like
getting hit 3x in a row
But rather its disablers or insta tou breaks
and TDR does nothing against them
Or well, eating a crusher Ohead
But like
Just dont?
olive ember
I mean with enough toughness reduction you can tank toughness breaks
olive ember
As in your toughness doesn’t actually break with enough toughness DR
It’s kinda funny
golden tartan
Ok fair but like fire ticks fast and HARD
olive ember
I liked old fire more unironically
golden tartan
Tick tick dead
golden tartan
Bugged fire go
olive ember
now fire is just like any other damage source
I just run through it and ignore the fact that its there
it takes like 4 ticks to break my toughness on marty zealot
I only need 3 ticks to jump through the fire
so I can now just ignore fire now
its stupid
10/10 listen to the redditors whine
they are now whining that getting shot staggers you
so eventually we will all just run it down on shooters
ionic needle
TWBS is mandatory
golden tartan
Zealots do NOT get to whine about stagger lmao
ionic needle
Did he ever consider not running in front of all those shooters?
golden tartan
Did he ever consider playing vet
:P
Vet gives zero fucks about stagger from shooters when played properly lmao
unless you are using a MG12
in which case, you are using a MG12
rich jolt
Whats twbs?
golden tartan
Thy Wrath Be Swift
golden tartan
Makes Zealot stagger and stun immune
rich jolt
Ah
lunar thunder
hi guys, how are you doing? i'm new to the game, level 28 on psyker, i'm really excited to get to level 30, then i can really start figuring build stuff out. is there like a general guide for psyker build advice? i wanna learn how to create builds better.
golden tartan
(Vet used to have it too)
golden tartan
hi guys, how are you doing? i'm new to the game, level 28 on psyker, i'm really ...
Check pins
lunar thunder
thank you, neat name btw. Grawr. my mind goes to Gwa Gwa.
ornate hamlet
GUN
rich jolt
stun immunity
Its only melee stun
olive ember
Its only melee stun
thats a lie
olive ember
your first mistake was trusting the in game descriptions
lunar thunder
tysm, i tried looking on youtube a few days ago, but there were moreso just guides for specific builds, and not more generalized advice.
rich jolt
Im gonna go slot that into all my builds brb
half iron
the stub used to be my favorite staff. now the amongus is in its place
olive ember
its similar to how vet's unwavering focus back then used to say "75% ranged toughness DR"
that was also a lie
theres no such thing as "ranged" and "melee" toughness DR
theres only toughness DR
global
rich jolt
the stub used to be my favorite staff. now the amongus is in its place
The whosit whatsit now
half iron
The whosit whatsit now
the amongus infantry autogun
rich jolt
That is not its name
half iron
nuh uh!
half iron
the columnsus
thorny grotto
dumb question: does Warp damage also includes staff dmg ? or only blitz abilities ?
rich jolt
Uh i think it is anything that takes peril to use
olive ember
if you use illisi spam
rich jolt
Yeah
untold widget
ugh blaze trauma is just too good
olive ember
and same with "Warp Attack kills" right ?
psure yes
half iron
blaze trauma is epic
olive ember
for what thing are you looking at specifically?
fresh reef
eager mantle
Trying to roll one with blaze and nexus. Have 1 with blaze and rending
olive ember
Do keep in mind blazing spirit only goes up to 3 btw
Have seen a couple people trying to fish for a blazing 4 when it doesn’t exist
eager mantle
Yea like me and then someone told me in this discord
olive ember
Wish it did
8 stacks of blaze with two crits
🤔 well I’d assume they would raise the cap from 6 stacks to 8 if blazing 4 was added
half iron
Trying to roll one with blaze and nexus. Have 1 with blaze and rending
every day i woke up during that grind with 28 plasteel
zinc phoenix
Was there a gunker video recently or something? BB went from a hipster choice that I never saw anyone with because they were all assail to literally on all the bad gunkers
eager mantle
I will spread gunker propaganda
lunar thunder
so what is the point of rmb with bb/br?
near drift
BB on a gunker sounds unnecessary unless they got autopistol or something
eager mantle
so what is the point of rmb with bb/br?
Have a charge thay doesn't go away when the target dies before pop
half iron
charge it so vets can’t steal your kill
lunar thunder
oh so like how do you use that charge on another enemy?
i get that second one, but not the first
ionic needle
so what is the point of rmb with bb/br?
You hear something coming and you charge before you see it
eager mantle
oh so like how do you use that charge on another enemy?
No. LMB BB only charges on a target. RMB BB is just charging. LMB the sniper that's running around the corner. RMB the bomber you anticipate seeing
zinc phoenix
BB on a gunker sounds unnecessary unless they got autopistol or something
Kinda my point, idk what is going on 😂
eager mantle
Kinda my point, idk what is going on 😂
Oh. Idk. Apparently some people been thinking the 10% to BB a target every 15s is value
ionic needle
BB with kinetic flayer and columnus, kill one extra poxwalker every 15 seconds!!
Totally worth two points getting that extra poxwalker every 15 seconds
eager mantle
At least with my trauma staff I sometimes hear the pop on a rager in a rager pack
lunar thunder
oh, sounds useful, and it just needs line of sight to work, so once i see the enemy i just use lmb, and it doesn't have to charge up first
am i getting this right?
ornate hamlet
Does psyker feel underpowered?
ionic needle
No
eager mantle
Yea. Hit lmb when you've charged it when you find the target you want
lunar thunder
based, thanks for the explanation, brain burst sounds way more useful now.
half iron
psyker is underpowered. give it a buff that makes every weapon cast brain burst when your crosshair over their model
terse saffron
anyone here played DD Voidstrike? is it comparable in damage to warp charges?
eager mantle
Actually yes. I'm severely underpowered. Blaze trauma is very weak and gunkers need buffs
terse saffron
Does psyker feel underpowered?
maybe a bit against bossess
scrier gunker deletes them though
half iron
give me, a weak and frail psyker, every other class aura at once. even loner. i am so underpowered
lunar thunder
oo warp rider would be useful with it, because it starts to charge up peril a lot once the charge is ready
ornate hamlet
The reason why I'm asking is because I've been seeing someone in the fatshark forums insist that Psyker under delivers in terms of damage compared to the rest of the classes
eager mantle
Tell them "very true kings"
lunar thunder
psyker is like a support sorta class aren't they? they're not really meant to be the main damage source i don't think
ornate hamlet
Then trying to fight the twins on hard mode really made me think about it
ornate hamlet
psyker is like a support sorta class aren't they? they're not really meant to be...
If you're doing shield and smite, sure.
ionic needle
Any class can be support or damage pretty much
half iron
i cast damage
eager mantle
I think the twins is just one of the few encounters that makes you have to build psyker a certain way. It's the only encounter of its kind as the normal assassinations are kinda just bar fight beatdowns
ornate hamlet
Personally i've been running push/ brain burst, with my weapons being surge staff and deimos
ornate hamlet
I think the twins is just one of the few encounters that makes you have to build...
That's fair
eager mantle
Like I'm not taking exe vet to the twins
glossy solstice
Well, its a matter of probability and technique. If you use BB and BR with an autogun or other fast firing weapon and hose the center torso of say a mauler, what is the round count needed for a say 90% probability... ~21 rounds ish is the answer.
plucky flax
I think the twins is just one of the few encounters that makes you have to build...
What sort of psyker build do you propose for twins?
glossy solstice
Now is that useful. IDK, I do not run that often but if you know CD is up and have those rounds to spare you can BB a hard target with high probability without switching to bb
eager mantle
Well, its a matter of probability and technique. If you use BB and BR with an au...
And by emperor's will that random bullet that swayed off the mauler head pops a pox walker
eager mantle
What sort of psyker build do you propose for twins?
Barely played the twins. Only assumptions and how I've seen other psykers talk about it. I would see myself having trauma and maybe smite
ornate hamlet
In my experience, brain burst does very quick work on their shields, if you use the force swords special when they're exposed, you can drain them pretty quickly
plucky flax
glossy solstice
With weapons with low penetration you never shoot head. Some circumstances change that factor, like using zealot charge but otherwise one would not do that ever.
ornate hamlet
Hitting the head is always better unless the enemy has a modifier that counters that enough to make it a problem
glossy solstice
Hitting the head is always better unless the enemy has a modifier that counters ...
See context above..
eager mantle
Moar mixed armor type units fatshark. More.
ornate hamlet
Now if you have a reaper, whose torso is flak and head is unyielding, could a gun have an unyielding modifier low enough for the headshot bonus to not matter at all?
Or a dreg gunner, with a weapon that I don't even know exists that deals more flak than unarmored by a massive amount
bleak tulip
yeah put more random bits of cara on enemies it's very fun when you stab the shoulder of a reaper
ornate hamlet
There are also different headshot values for guns and some really do benefit more from just spamming bodyshots, like braced autoguns and autopistols
Because you can't hit shit of the head with that spread and the headshot modifiers are shit anyway
But for infantry autoguns... man, those absolutely fuck on headshots
eager mantle
yeah put more random bits of cara on enemies it's very fun when you stab the sho...
I would be less annoyed by crusher parties if they weren't full carapace
spice veldt
(and crits, for whatever reason)
ornate hamlet
I love my crits, shut up
bleak tulip
crit string bad
ornate hamlet
5% crit chance graia with crit aura and empathic evasion
I am a phlog pyro
I hold W and M1
spice veldt
god gave IAGs crit strings + really good crit multipliers for some reason
ionic needle
Fire really shouldn't do damage when a mutant grabs you on top of it, so annoying
glossy solstice
There are also different headshot values for guns and some really do benefit mor...
Crit giving more penetration is soo goo
eager mantle
Graia is the one with fuller auto yea?
ornate hamlet
That's columnus
Graia is the middle child
I pick it because I don't think the columnus' slightly increased mag size offsets the fire rate when it comes to sustaining a single magazine
And because the graia has almost 20 shots more than agripinaa
But the columnus doesn't even have more than 10, at least in my case
Ammo stats may vary and blah blah blah
eager mantle
Oh wait isn't it swapped for brautos? I thought you were talking brautos
ornate hamlet
So you have a gun that shoots 33% faster than the previous but doesn't have 33% more ammo than the previous
Oh
I think the columnus brauto still might be the fastest too
azure bridge
columnus go brr?
eager mantle
Idk. Only started trying to build brautos. The drunk guns
ornate hamlet
(40% of the time)
spice veldt
columnus has lower base damage and the same mag size as the graia, which amounts to it having the lowest total raw damage per mag, but it does have the highest DPS by virtue of its ADMs
eager mantle
Though the aggri brauto hip fire pretty good
spice veldt
and has a 4-shot crit string compared to graia's 3
azure bridge
I need to find me a good gun for a gunker build
eager mantle
Got a aggri brauto w/ no dmg blessings and it still feels good
eager mantle
I need to find me a good gun for a gunker build
Recon. Trust me
azure bridge
Recon. Trust me <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
thats a war crime, and not the kind the emperor approves of
eager mantle
I hated the mission when I tried it.
azure bridge
thats a crime against war
eager mantle
It felt like I was torturing myself
azure bridge
all the recon is good for is herding cats
and killing its user as they rush ahead on a vet trying to get elite kills in a hitsg dmanation run
eager mantle
It turns the horde into pretty lights
ornate hamlet
Recon is probably unironically decent on vet
Given the class can get ranged brittleness
eager mantle
It's decent. I can make it work on vet but man does it pale to your options
azure bridge
I may be biased so keep this anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt, but every time I see a vet with the recon, i know we are not surviving past 5 minutes
eager mantle
So trash by comparison
next zephyr
next zephyr
spice oar
does anyone know which cosmetic gives the autotuned voice effect to your character?
bleak tulip
I think I only the ugly T shaped head
on psyker
would sure be nice if they added a little line to it telling us which do
bleak tulip
I think I only the ugly T shaped head
oh yeah and also only the black one, there is an older silver one that doesn't which is cringe
plucky flax
Only the what now? 
bleak tulip
can't find a picture
eager mantle
What if you wanted a cool voice changer but emperor said "put on this stupid helmet"
eager mantle
I'm not giving up my hair!
fluid aspen
I may be biased so keep this anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt, but every ...
Was talking in #veteran-class the other day about this, someone sent in some vids about how a green IAG with no talents outclassed a 6d with a full build 
eager mantle
Yep. That gets passed around when someone tries to gas up or ask about recon
azure bridge
you'd think, a rapid fire laser would do more
eager mantle
It did and then fatshark thought unending pew pew needed to be hit
prime elk
fatshart when recon lasguns were good for ONE patch
eager mantle
It'd be fine if IAGs still out dps'd the recons. Thats fine. But the ammo economy, dps, stagger potential all mix together to be kinda shit. The recons could be a lower dps, higher stability and more ammo economy automatic but it's numbers are shit all together with how shock trooper works with it now
untold niche
steep fractal
i love edging my peril for my beloved, it lets me do more damage. but sometimes i burst in front of my teammates and its REALLY embarrassing
eager mantle
Need a r34 slaanesh pic go from transparent to opaque as you edge your peril
lilac oyster
guys whats the best map for Clifhanger !!
eager mantle
Uh there's like a youtube video showing the map where you can get it during a horde moment near the start
lilac oyster
thank uuu
grim inlet
i love edging my peril for my beloved, it lets me do more damage. but sometimes ...
last night i edged better than i ever have i was so close to busting all mission
vale creek
why the new psyker cosmetic is amogus lookin ass?
hasty breach
0566+
terse heron
are there any boss killer weapons as psyker? i wanna use Assail against most stuff but assail does no damage on bosses and my weapons also seem to do no damage on bosses, i tried the different staffs but they all do no dmg
whole shoal
Cast gun, preferably columnus iag on it
rich jolt
are there any boss killer weapons as psyker? i wanna use Assail against most stu...
As far as im aware fireball staff has decent boss damage
Psyker really isnt the greatest boss killer
hasty breach
brain burst is at least consistent. but you arent gonna get a 1-shot like zealot or something
however voidstrike can stagger bosses a lot
rich jolt
Brainburst costs alot of peril so youll need extra quell speed or a psword/staff
If you run ep with bb you can knock off like 20% of a bosses health with all stacks
hasty breach
are there any boss killer weapons as psyker? i wanna use Assail against most stu...
Assail while not using scrier's gaze or conserving ammo or fighting baby hordes + columnus using scrier's gaze is a pretty standard combo loadout, isnt it?
columnus will also have the lowest time to kill on elites in your team pretty reliably, it's hard not to love it
rich jolt
Columnus is a staff right
hasty breach
what should i tweak here? im gonna upgrade uncanny strike when i roll it, but would you change unyielding or crit?
i know maniac is popular to kill mutants but i sort of think that's not a real problem. unyielding i struggle to see the use -- i guess against bulwarks and bosses but im not usually meleeing bosses consistently bc of slime puddle and bosses tearing off places
ornate hamlet
Meleeing bosses is the gamer way
cunning yew
i hate this game
hasty breach
would still love advice on the deimos
cunning yew
what should i tweak here? im gonna upgrade uncanny strike when i roll it, but wo...
maybe would change crit
orchid nest
would still love advice on the deimos
I would personally change the crit to carapace or maniac. You said you don't care about maniac so carapace would be my go to.
it would be set up as a pretty good purgatus deimos that way, as once you have max soulblaze stacks you can just switch to melee and the dots are dynamic so they will benefit from the unyielding on monstrosities. you swap back every 5-6 seconds or so to do a left click or two to refresh the stacks
orchid nest
all dots are dynamic yeah
hasty breach
huh
orchid nest
they will benefit from slaughterer too
and uncanny for that matter, gaining full armor piercing on the dot ticks (after you stack it)
hasty breach
thats dumb
but thats interesting, i might have to put some new things on my catachan run-away stick
near wyvern
@hasty breach you might want to glance through The Psyker Atheneum if you haven't
ornate hamlet
silk hawk
I would personally change the crit to carapace or maniac. You said you don't car...
Unyeilding for boss dmg, deimos is already 2 shotting carapace...
orchid nest
Unyeilding for boss dmg, deimos is already 2 shotting carapace...
carapace breakpoints vary wildly on deimos from warp rider, current uncanny stacks, slaughterer stacks on that one, hitting body instead on accident when they are thrown to the ground from H2. the light pokes gaining more. carapace always helps on deimos
silk hawk
Still think unyeilding is a better choice...since cara can be dealt with other ways unless u run purgatus...
orchid nest
it already has unyielding, this would be unyielding and carapace
silk hawk
Guess its fine then...
ornate hamlet
God-Emperor, what did I just read...
Horrifying heresy, brother
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orchid nest
I think I would only actually ever run unyielding on a purgatus deimos anyways which is why it was my recommendation. it's going to depend on how you build personally. but on voidstrike it's better to try to get double stagger crits, on surge its boss dps is good enough and safe enough that you can camp it now, on trauma you likely have BB. not bad on a trauma setup but you have that option anyways. if you're gunker you have a gun for bosses. I usually always run maniac and carapace unless it's a purg deimos
magic kayak
what would be the dump stat for the deimos?
orchid nest
it's useable but yeah the finesse will hurt a bit there
it's pretty easy compared to a lot of weapons from brunt to get good deimos rolls because almost any range of them could be incredible ones since you can accept bottom of the barrel warp resist
on creeping flames builds you even desire a low warp resist one as possible
off the top of my head you would want one around 8-10% or lower to hit the 2 special use breakpoint from 0 to full creeping flames stacks. somewhere around there
orchid nest
it's better on some than others. it really depends on how fast you generate peril. like you probably wouldn't care about it on smite, but with purg and creeping flames gunker it is very nice utility to be able to quickly throw out max stack creeping flames QQ canceling 2 specials
in the case of purg it's probably more likely you only need 1 activation instead just to jump start yourself but yeah
the special is more useable now that you can dodge cancel it but it's still really a not necessary action on deimos so just use your own judgement really for how much you like to use it and how low warp resist you are comfortable with
if you use the special to stack uncanny often I'd stick around a 40%+ one
magic kayak
yeah I'm doing purg / deimos with CF/Shriek, and assail + EP
ornate hamlet
Does it stack per tick?
orchid nest
yeah you get 4 uncanny stacks for a special channel
ornate hamlet
Goated
magic kayak
im running uncanny on my melee - it stacks per force push (block + atk)
orchid nest
yeah that too is nice
push/push attack is also a nice and underappreciated way to skip into H2 instead of L1
magic kayak
yeah and you can knock down crushers if you hit them in the head
deimos is really slept on I feel like but maybe bc I always see streamers using dueling sword
I get appeal of dueling sword but I still feel like the deimos is just a better kit
orchid nest
it usually is in here and from content creators compared to DS4, yeah. I do love DS4 but I am big fan of deimos. It has worthy tradeoffs that imo still make it meta alongside DS4
magic kayak
So I'm curious about what makes DS4 so good. The sprint speed is better sure, but the rest of mobility feels the same and the heavy attack dmg might come out quick but it can't handle carapace as easily from what I've seen unless I'm just running the wrong perks
then again maybe people arent relying on melee for cara when running ds4
Ryken XIV just released a vid today using deimos and purg staff and showcased taking on a group of crushers with just the deimos and purg staff. pretty damn impressive really
orchid nest
it's just a very simple and elegant weapon really. it's very good at doing fast forward slides to maintain stamina which is important to people try harding at the top end. it has higher dps with the stabs overall, and the dodges are very good. there really is no confusion in the kit so it's moveset is very reliable.
spice veldt
the only particular difference is that it doesn't have the silly knockdown that the deimos h2 has
magic kayak
that makes sense. It definitely just feels super fluid
spice veldt
DPS-wise, I expect them to be in the ballpark of each other
orchid nest
as for carapace, the weapon special on it helps but not on the same level as the deimos full knockdown
typically it's like, heavy stab/weapon special cancel to stagger them
magic kayak
True, the knockdown isnt always good if you're trying to dps
orchid nest
I feel more confident tackling a full crusher pack in melee with a deimos because you can really pinpoint stop them from sharing animation times and it has more utility in general. DS4 is just all in on mobility and offense
wanton sandal
So I'm curious about what makes DS4 so good. The sprint speed is better sure, bu...
you are running uncanny, right?
ds4 with uncanny absolutely shreds crushers and maulers
glossy solstice
DS4 is very good against carapace with rending stacks up and criting at least once you can 4 shot crushers. The alt attack to the face staggers just about anything.
magic kayak
Actually you're right - I haven't unlocked uncanny on DS4 yet. That makes sense then
wanton sandal
and the special can stagger them if you hit weakspot
wanton sandal
Actually you're right - I haven't unlocked uncanny on DS4 yet. That makes sense ...
slap it on when you can, and you'll find out why it's considered the best psyker melee 👍
orchid nest
Oh yeah, uncanny makes it scary
magic kayak
Nice, guess I will get back to resource grinding lol
orchid nest
the second blessing isn't even near as important, I would only consider using one with uncanny
uncanny 3 is also good enough though
plucky flax
DS4 is way faster at killing crushers pack.
I use ds4 in melee maelstrom it goes brrrrr.
orchid nest
it's definitely faster at it. partly because the deimos is throwing them to the ground. makes it a bit safer in general for the deimos though if you are utilizing the knockdowns and the push attacks to stagger out their animations. it's a good more defensive consideration of a weapon compared to DS4
magic kayak
And I'm sure vs multiple crushers the the stagger on crushers is probably better as you aren't killing multiple crushers faster than they can possibly 1 shot you I would think
orchid nest
handling a few of them depending on the circumstances going on is fine for either of them. the more chaos and more crushers that are added to a situation though the safer deimos pulls out
you don't want their animations to sync up so that dodging overheads becomes impossible. thats where deimos shines because you can stop that from well outside of melee range
lethal lagoon
Anyone know the name of the mod turn off all the psyker visual effects?
orchid nest
I think the peril stuff is part of the baseline accessibility options now
lethal lagoon
Just the sounds unfortunately
orchid nest
Oh hmmmm
orchid nest
Is it there? I haven't ever bothered with changing it but I probably should lol
not in game atm to look
ornate hamlet
And I'm sure vs multiple crushers the the stagger on crushers is probably better...
Ideally you just time the dodges
lethal lagoon
Is it there? I haven't ever bothered with changing it but I probably should lol
There's peril intesity, we'll see if it covers everything
ornate hamlet
I've done the funnies with crusher mixed hordes
lethal lagoon
I remember another warhammer game I played where apperently they wern't allowed by GW to turn off peril stuff.
I wonder if they were just bullshiting now lmao
orchid nest
that does sound like a very GW thing haha
ornate hamlet
If you can dodge, the amount of time you have to kill crushers is theoretically infinite
lethal lagoon
It does, which is why everyone believed it when they said it lmao
They have lots of weird rules for developers
GW couldn't care less if the game is actually good, but if you dare procedurally generate anything or add a scope to a gun that shouldn't have one, you are fucked.
orchid nest
there comes a time when crushers animations will sync up with each other to the point where an overhead can land in between a dodge iframe/tracking break happening and the next dodge going off. you're rolling the dice at that point but it might not seem that way from the users end because it won't happen often. there is also dodge limits too of course if you have to dodge back to back too often. DS4 does have a higher skill ceiling in general though for handling multiple crushers compared to deimos' safety and it can be pretty rewarding to get good at it
orchid nest
GW couldn't care less if the game is actually good, but if you dare procedurally...
lol yeah, so true
lethal lagoon
2 trappers would like to have a word with your i-frames.