psyker-class

[summer prairie]

and having another IFR doesn't give you double triggers, I think. Maybe it does but you already get a wc if anyone else kills

[plucky flax]

It's cheat mod.

[gloomy magnet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/853892024879808513.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

cheat mod

[vast yew]

I don't think it's supposed to do that

[plucky flax]

Jk just look up ui mods on nexus.

Search 'UI'. I use all of them.

[summer prairie]

ifr probably also isn't supposed to work like that so

[plucky flax]

'UI' and 'HUD'.

[severe laurel]

Not using mods is just laziness, they're beneficial

[plucky flax]

It's just xbox players hating on me.

[inland glen]

Hello germers. I have a lil question which may be hard to specifically answer. Might be depending on build, I know BUT in general.

I never know what the best blessings and pers to use on the Curios. Like, what are the best ones in general, and those you always pretty much wanna go for? I know that Zealot for example wants wounds. But in general.

Thanks :)

[vast yew]

IFR has no choice but to work like that as Soulblaze from multiple sources stacks on the same stack; difficult for the engine to know who exactly owns what stacks

[summer prairie]

it wouldn't be difficult

[vast yew]

In general, I recommend 1 hp, 1 toughness, and 1 flex for mainstats
You can also go 3x Toughness if you really want but I personally don't recommend

[summer prairie]

it could e.g. be based on whoever refreshed it last, got the first stack or just count if you are the one killing

[vast yew]

substats are a hotly debated topic but you can't go wrong with 5% hp/toughness. I personally also like running at least 1-2 Toughness Regen Speed but there's a lot of debate about that one on Psyker specifically

[vast yew]

it wouldn't but still

I personally only take IFR on my Purgatus, because duh

[olive ember]

all the gunner res so I can run it down more

[hot zephyr]

Anyone wanna share their purgatus build? I've just been using the atheneum one but I want to tweak it a bit with all this chatter about it today

[orchid nest]

I usually only use toughness regen speed if I won't take quietude on the build. I feel like they both fill the same hole in your toughness generation strategy

[plucky flax]

Ask derpy.

He's purga main.

[hot zephyr]

patiently awaits a powerpoint presentation to get connected to the screen by Derpy

😛

[plucky flax]

@olive ember

[vast yew]

I think this is mine?

Something similar anyways; can also swap WS to EP for better brain burst in exchange for worse Cooldown

[hot zephyr]

Interesting, I'm wondering why quietitude over soulstealer in my own build too

[vast yew]

Dome/Shriek also up to preference

[orchid nest]

mine is probably pretty similar to that except 5 points in siphon and +soulstealer

[vast yew]

I've toyed with going EP instead; makes BB excellent vs. Gunners

less shriek spam tho

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I think I want shriek for putting stacks on bosses and peril dump, so I'm wondering if EP would be worth it for some BR spam against gunners

[vast yew]

... actually my latest build might've been swapping back to EP and picking up Soulstealer and.... something else?

[hot zephyr]

But CDR + Shriek is just so good

[vast yew]

Idk it's been a bit

probably the upgrade on BB to make things super-duper fast

[olive ember]

i mean i use blaze trauma

and then purge

but

[orchid nest]

oh I also use the toughness regen under siphon and not the peril reduction

I find building peril for creeping flames tedious already as purg a lot of times

[plucky flax]

This is mine
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vx7DY17ZUtU

[vast yew]

you're a menace

bleed knife and the meme Purg staff

[plucky flax]

Yes double dots.

Is so op.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, like this is kinda the core of what I;ve been running... two extra points to play with which I think I'm just taking an extra 15 toughness node and Empathic Evasion

I don't like 6 charges cus you shriek so often for peril dump you never get to 6

[vast yew]

EE and quietude, IMO

[plucky flax]

I would take 6 but I ran out of points.

[vast yew]

Quietude is just very handy for when you aren't holding right click

and EE is real silly on Purg

[orchid nest]

yeah, can go either way. I still contend that the siphon peril reduction is actually detrimental to a purg shriek build though unless you have something specifically to counteract it like a really low warp res deimos

makes it take too long a lot of the time to get to shriek threshold

[hot zephyr]

I'm also not sure about Inner Tranq vs Essence Harvest, I've tried both but I don't really notice either of them

[summer prairie]

I haven't used purg in forever but I think quietude should be better since you get a ton of toughness from mettle. Especially if you run EE

[vast yew]

yeah that's a fair point too

[summer prairie]

and yeah I wouldn't take the peril reduction

[vast yew]

yeah Mettle pretty much covers your toughness regen while flaming stuff, Quietude and Soulstealer top you off when you aren't

[plucky flax]

If you play normally and use right click mettle give you all the toughness. No need for soulstaler. But if you meme with only left click then soulstealer is better than quietude.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, like if I took essence harvest I'd probably drop quietitude or soulstealer

[plucky flax]

I didn't have it during that game so it hurt.

[vast yew]

soulstealer is for the things that are already on fire and die later

it's the least impactful one though

part of me wishes the middle of the Psyker tree was a little easier to branch out

it's all diagonal so you can't really dump extra points there easily

but then again a lot of the stuff in the middle is kinda meh anyways

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, really I guess looking at this tree:
It's either soulstealer, 5% ranged damage, battle med, or 15 toughness are kinda the only good ones. Wildfire if you like it

And if you take soulstealer, you cna take inner tranq instead of warp essence so you get toughness from anything dying not just elites

So you can just get more flame pumps

[vast yew]

Seems good; check to see how your peril gen is holding up vs. your Shriek cooldown

if you're struggling to hit 85%+ then maybe swap that node over

[summer prairie]

do you actually use bb enough to justify it

just for snipers+

[vast yew]

Snipers, Gunners, Crushers are all decent targets if you've got EP stacks

[hot zephyr]

My purgatus build I often need F to not skill issue explode so yeah even if I'm not shrieking on cooldown that's not a problem

[vast yew]

neat

[summer prairie]

I mean in the above build

[vast yew]

I mean what else would you take

[cobalt atlas]

I love gun psyker

[summer prairie]

smite for peril gen and some situations

[cobalt atlas]

Just a lot of damage and mobility

[vast yew]

Smite's out, and Assail is technically better but you give up Psykinetic's

[plucky flax]

What gun?

[vast yew]

nah no chance you take Smite on a Purg build, too much doubling up of roles

[cobalt atlas]

Collumnus

[vast yew]

the only thing it stuns that Purg doesn't is Crushers

[plucky flax]

Ah the most op one.

[summer prairie]

well BB without any other nodes barely does anything besides kills snipers

[hot zephyr]

I mean, why bother with smite over BR? Smite gives you nothing purgatus doesn't already have by doing some LMB puff puffs for stagger

[vast yew]

and that's not enough to justify losing any ability to function beyond 10m

[cobalt atlas]

Im a meta slave, what can I say

[vast yew]

yeah, and without BB you have 0 way to kill Snipers (or far away gunners/reapers)

shriek works if they're close enough, but they aren't always

[eager mantle]

I use BR on my purg staff. It's got range for snipers, deals with gunner rooms, let's me deal dmg more safely against monstrosities. When I see ragers at range it's nice to pop a few before they get close

[plucky flax]

I don't like smite with purga indeed.

[cobalt atlas]

I still dont get how you got so much stuff to kill thou

[plucky flax]

Feels weird man.

[cobalt atlas]

There is nothing weird in being special

Brain Burst with 10% activation and 15 sec CD just not that great imo

[plucky flax]

Hmm how fast are your games?

Maybe you're just really good and run really fast.

[cobalt atlas]

Usually less than 30 minutes or so

[vast yew]

if you take Smite with Purg you're going to use it like 1% of the time

[plucky flax]

I always get really sus teammates.

[vast yew]

becuase most times when a Crusher comes to say hello you just swap to your Deimos or DS4 and murder it

[plucky flax]

So my damage is always inflated.

[cobalt atlas]

Yea, Counterpoint is that I dont use Brain burst (Activation slot)

[orchid nest]

people took it mostly for warp charge management pre talent patch and then they kind of just shoved it in still even though gaining warp charges changed

[summer prairie]

the scoreboard really should have the mission time somewhere other than the sidebar

[cobalt atlas]

Yea I do agree that 1 crusher mean DS4 to death

[vast yew]

I don't use Blitz much at all, except for Assail builds

[olive ember]

all the psykers left the game and we ended up just having 3 zealots and a bot

bruh

[plucky flax]

Yeah I would like that.

[vast yew]

but I still try to pick a Blitz that covers the weaknesses in my kit

[cobalt atlas]

but 6 crusher just fuckin suck

so I usually just decided yea, fuck this zealot you're up

[plucky flax]

Cos my damage per minute is probably really low.

[olive ember]

@plucky flax pls carry me through orthus hard

I too nub

[plucky flax]

Too many plasteels.

[vast yew]

6 Crushers that walked through a Purg flame wall should die pretty quickly once you stack Uncanny up

[plucky flax]

After this game I can try.

[cobalt atlas]

How do I build the Purg Flame Wall btw

[vast yew]

anyone got that Dagger/Flamer video handy

[cobalt atlas]

Im not sure

[plucky flax]

Just started though.

[summer prairie]

pub maelstorms seem to be 30-40minutes, maybe low 30s for me on average

[olive ember]

smh unbelievable

[orchid nest]

orthus hardmode strat - ogryn

[vast yew]

just meaning holding right click at the enemies

[cobalt atlas]

Sometime there's just a flame wall leftover on the ground

that dissipate very fast

[vast yew]

okay found it

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1yMzCLN80TEhN4/pkE0ZiBQnuzx?invite=cr-MSxDcGwsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA?mobilebypass=true

[loud peak]

Disrupt Destiny is fantastic, I'm surprised it gets a bad rap

[vast yew]

If Crushers walk at you through your flame channel you can usually deal a lot of damage to them w/ Shriek and then stacking Uncanny

[loud peak]

Once you hit 10 or so you can one-shot scabs with assail and boost it to 30 in no time

[vast yew]

DD is great but I hate the minigame aspect

plus EP Assail is 👌

[olive ember]

I thought it was the opposite

that DD is mid but minigame is funny

[loud peak]

Being able to move the buffs on HUD made a huge difference

[summer prairie]

you'll boost it to 30 and then lose them all whenever you have to anything else

[loud peak]

I hated having to look down at how many stacks I had

[summer prairie]

I still highly doubt your average stack count is higher with 30 stack node than with 15 but 30s timer

[loud peak]

It's great for the bits of gameplay in-between everything else lol

[hot zephyr]

Lightly seared gareths XD XD XD XD

[orchid nest]

DD is pretty good. you can't just straight compare it or EP to warp charges though 1:1 because they are both a lot easier to access and you have extra points to spend

[loud peak]

Having a minigame for ambients is a lot of fun

[cobalt atlas]

The only thing I like about Siphon Warp Smite is 9 Seconds of pure CC

[vast yew]

That do be what Smite does best

[cobalt atlas]

The base smite is like 4 seconds or something until full peril

or someone have the maths

[vast yew]

uhhh I think you can get to ~51% peril gen reduction?

so 9 seconds -> 4.5 seconds would track

[cobalt atlas]

Wait how does this work

Was it because the weapon have uncanny

[vast yew]

Uncanny Strike

[orchid nest]

step 1: find many such gareths

[cobalt atlas]

So I burn them and pull out my sword (do I need to stab them?)

[vast yew]

100% Rending means Soulblaze goes from dealing 5% damage to 100%

[summer prairie]

with the stimm you can get pretty goofy peril reduction for a while https://streamable.com/ujv8jn (see the gaze peril gain near the end)

[cobalt atlas]

because the rest of the gareths just die

[vast yew]

You have to stab heads to start stacking Uncanny

but the Uncanny stacks apply to all the damage you're currently doing, including the still-ticking stacks of Soulblaze

[cobalt atlas]

Wow okay that's something new to learn

unbelievable

[vast yew]

combine with PC to give even more stacks as the first few Crushers die and the rest just burn

[hot zephyr]

There's also the fun bit at the end where he shows it works with thunderous too

[inland glen]

Sorry to budge in again, fellas. This is just a lil info I gathered from asking all the different classes which curio blessings and perks they would use.

X Gunner Resistance (10)
VIII Health (8)
VI Toughness Regen (6)
II Stamina Regen (2)
VIII Toughness (8)
IV Ordo Dockets (4)
I Corruption Resistance
V Sniper Resistance (5)
II Wound (2)
I Bomber Resistance
I Flamer Resistance
I Stamina
I Ability Cooldown

Would you say this feels accurate? :)

[cobalt atlas]

Why gunner resistance

[bleak tulip]

people are bad

[cobalt atlas]

and sniper resistance

[vast yew]

yeah that seems accurate, though I wouldn't run Bomber/Flamer resistance on anything

Gunner Resist is not quite as good as a lot of peopel think it is though

[cobalt atlas]

This is sadge, no one goes for Ability Cooldown

[vast yew]

it doesn't apply to generic shooters or shotgunners, only actual gunners

[bleak tulip]

gunner is understandabe, sniper resist is honestly a skill issue imo

[orchid nest]

sniper resist, health, toughness, and toughness regen are probably the most common psyker ones you will see

[hot zephyr]

Seems accurate. I prioritize, health, toughness, gunner resist, tough regen and block efficacy as my top-5 (in that order)

[vast yew]

I prioritize the first 2 substats and keep whatever not-garbage one Hadron gives me

Curio grinding is hell

[summer prairie]

I use ability cooldown, ordo and gunner

[bleak tulip]

I use cooldown and health toughness usually

toughness regen is also better sounding than it is

so considering we don't get to know the rules unless we ask the community, look shit up or test ourselves, it seems good

[vast yew]

Toughness Regen is extremely good, though there's an argument that Psyker has such cracked toughness regen talents that they need it less

I still run it though

[bleak tulip]

doesn't it turn off when enemies are too close, which is functionally all the time

[orchid nest]

yeah if a melee mob is in melee range

[vast yew]

it does but with 90% (or 100% from the one talent) it's almost immediate

[vestal fulcrum]

On Psyker, I typically use Ordo 3x, Toughness Regen 2x, Gunner 1x, Toughness 3x, with main stats being 2x Toughness and 1x Stam (but I think replacing all the base Toughness perks with Health is completely fine)

[vast yew]

it affects both the speed and delay

so with 3 curios it turns on almost immediately once you stop taking damage/nothing is close

[vestal fulcrum]

I also sometimes skip Kinetic Deflection, because it doesn’t make a huge difference for me, and with the stamina main curio in mind.

[vast yew]

KD and a stamina curio actually have great synergy, though you can definitely go overboard with blocking

namely, KD peril gain is based off the % stamina the attack would've cost

[vestal fulcrum]

I know they do, it’s just a lot of blocking power that I often don’t have anything to do with

[vast yew]

I like KD because it helps me block when I screw up and sprint all the way to 0% right before a Rager turns a corner

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I run on my 3 curios
Bases: Health, Wound, Stamina
Perks:
2x 5% Health
2x 5% Toughness
1x 30% Toughness regen speed
2x 15/20 Gunner resist
2x 10% block efficacy

I find it's a pretty nice setup to just overall improve durability, since I tend to pickup a lot of +15 toughness nodes in the talent tree so I don't need toughness curios.

[orchid nest]

on the subject of wound curios, I do think that 1 is ok if you feel like you need it/still learning still but the new health stims seriously devalue it

[vast yew]

Mine atm are:
Main: 2 hp, 1 toughness
Subs: 3x hp, 3x toughness regen, 1x toughness, 2x Hadron junk (gunners and snipers, I think)

been considering swapping out one of the Toughness regens

but curios cost so much damn plasteel to swap perks man

[vast yew]

yeah I used to toy with the idea of running 1 but the new med stimms make it so I almost never run it anymore

[hot zephyr]

I find depending on getting a health stim during the run to be a risk, so I run an extra wound. My teammates always steal them when I do see them, so I just grab the other combat stims instead

[vast yew]

depending on getting a health stim during the run if you went down and you're too far from a med station

[hot zephyr]

You assume I am good at this game sir. I am not.

[vast yew]

you don't lose wounds that often, and when you do there's a decent % of the time you've either just passed a med station or are about to get to one

[orchid nest]

yeah it just depends on where you are I suppose. ideally not needing a wound curio should be a goal. I was already long past the point of feeling like I needed one even before the health stimms came out so with them it's almost never a problem

[vast yew]

yeah the only build where I still run Wound Curios is my Martyrdom Zealot, because that's the entire point

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I don't need the extra wound on non-auric / no-special condition, but I find I usually do end up going down on certain modifiers

[vestal fulcrum]

I suppose that one is a big argument „for” KD. Getting caught off-guard by a group of bruisers can be a death sentence

[vast yew]

I feel like you can still run a wound curio if you want, but I'd run 1 non-hp/toughness curio max

[hot zephyr]

Still getting used to HISTG, those get real chaotic sometimes

[hollow jolt]

Just don't die

Simple sibling c:

[vast yew]

don't need health if you just dodge 4Head

[orchid nest]

yeah running one isn't a huge deal, the third curio you take is pretty flexible in my experience. I often have a stamina one right now I could trade for one if I wanted it

[vestal fulcrum]

IDEALLY, I try to avoid getting caught with my staff down by bruisers, but when it happens, I feel extremely bad with myself not having KD

[vast yew]

but yeah I like running 2x hp Curios because with 3 substats and the 10% hp talent node, that's 21% + 21% + 15% + 10 = 67%, which gets you from 150 hp to 251 hp

251 is a nice number to be at

[vestal fulcrum]

You can tank TWO sniper shots with no properties

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I like the extra stam curio for blocking when you are maxed on peril, and when you aren't at max peril it allows you to spam pushes to reset your attack sequence

[vestal fulcrum]

And be left at funny 1HP

[vast yew]

yup

[orchid nest]

you can also just play ogryn

[inland glen]

How goofy we gettin? Maybe even a tad bit silly, eh?

[vast yew]

Psyker stam regen is actually fast enough baseline that you can spam pushes pretty well even when out of stamina, but you won't have any left to block

I like the extra stam curio with the DS4, because only 2 base stamina bars is funky

but I've been going back and forth with it

[cobalt atlas]

Show me your fattest wallet in game

[vast yew]

No wallet, Brunt and Hadron keep stealing it all

[cobalt atlas]

Fuckin Hadron and plasteel grind

[kindred ivy]

yeah +3 stam with the DS4 is very important imo

the curio

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, for my assail EP build sometimes I go right to the edge and hit 100% peril before swapping to melee, so the extra stam helps a LOT for thsoe few seconds til the passive quell kicks in

[orchid nest]

I have 7.3m dockets or so rn thats pretty low though compared to what some people here show sometimes

[kindred ivy]

💪 and a fuckton of block efficiency

[cobalt atlas]

Do you use them

[kindred ivy]

say what u want, i managed to survive attacks from a plague ogryn and a group of ragers cause of it

[hot zephyr]

Block eff on psyker def an underrated stat

[orchid nest]

not really right now at least, I have a bunch of stable near maxed out builds and it's not worth it to me blowing them for some tiny gain

[vast yew]

saving for new weapon farms, good idea

[cobalt atlas]

Jesus madness

[kindred ivy]

block efficiency + stam is fucking amazing in general

imo

[cobalt atlas]

I will never go through 1mil

because the constant weapon grind

[vast yew]

Block Eff on curios also works

[kindred ivy]

KD + Force Deflection + Block Eff + BLock Eff CUrios

[hot zephyr]

You don't wanna like stack or anything, but having a little block eff just seems to help a lot in my experience

[kindred ivy]

for the INFINITE

i stack up to 56%

with weapons n curios

[hot zephyr]

I run with 20% and I think that's plenty

[vast yew]

wouldn't run it on a weapon though

[kindred ivy]

do u run KD?

DS4 does enough damage as it

[hot zephyr]

Yes, I run KD, +3 stam curio, and 20% block eff on curio perks

[kindred ivy]

i think having a defensive DS4 is very viabl

[olive ember]

I run KD for rez clutching n stuff

[vast yew]

You can one-shot Mutants with 25% Maniacs on DS4 and some other buffs

[orchid nest]

kd and a stam trinket is already huge overkill for me personally. like it would be detrimental to my kill speed and survival even trying to block longer than that allows

[kindred ivy]

pretty sure just 25% does fine

i jsut never run into muties

as they are stunned most of the time anyway

[vast yew]

You can also just man-mode stun them with a special attack headshot

which is a complete baller move but if you miss you eat dirt

[bleak tulip]

sometimes I just stand there and stab em just to feel something

same feeling as rock

[kindred ivy]

i dont need the 25% maniac

[bleak tulip]

this high speed mass of meat just crumples instantly

very satisfying

[kindred ivy]

by the time they erach me, they are already damaged

[cobalt atlas]

I agree

[kindred ivy]

so the DS4 kills them without even needing the 25%

[cobalt atlas]

I still dont get what is the breakpoint thou

[vast yew]

the breakpoint is dealing 1334 damage on a Maniac headshot

since Mutants have 4000 hp and take 3x melee damage

[kindred ivy]

zapping them for a entire EP smite, is enough, to make it normal

or just crit headshot

also work

[vocal iron]

so what does toughness regen on curios do actually i thought is was only the speed at which you recover toughness like if you are in coherency

[orchid nest]

the delay and speed, yeah

[vast yew]

it is, but it also affects the delay for that to kick in

[vocal iron]

ah

[bleak tulip]

https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[cobalt atlas]

Pain

Not this website again

[bleak tulip]

that's the best way to find out

[vast yew]

It's a lot clunkier to use than ye olde Vermintide Breakpoint spreadsheet

[summer prairie]

I found those clunkier

[bleak tulip]

once you get used to it the site isn't bad at all

if I wasn't in bed I could post the explanation but alas

you can find it

[calm lotus]

holy clutch

got jumped by a chaos spawn alongside horde and guns

i only managed to be the survivor because someone left and the bot got me up somehow

shoutout to knife for letting me create space to gun down the spawn

one death was because i got sent to the lower floor by a burster on the final interrogation and then i got tapped by a shooter

[cobalt atlas]

Also

Mutants Throw isn't randomized right?

[plucky flax]

New scoreboard pog

[cobalt atlas]

It never seem to throw me off a ledge or something (not that I want)

[bleak tulip]

yeah

also if you're too close to a wall they won't slam you

[orchid nest]

they try to code it purposely so it doesn't. it used to more than you'd like but they are pretty good about not doing it these days

[willow hazel]

Sometimes they do throw you off ledges, it's just rare

[cobalt atlas]

That explain why I didn't get caught near a wall dodging

[bleak tulip]

remove the ovenproof spacer

I'm in pain

[plucky flax]

How to do it?

[bleak tulip]

it's at the bottom

just called spacer

[plucky flax]

Bottom padding?

[bleak tulip]

ye

[plucky flax]

I'm scared.

[bleak tulip]

I turned on some fun stats to count as buffer because it'll move it along the edge

[cobalt atlas]

Bottom
Yea gonna be scare at the guy that call VoidStrike Enjoer

[bleak tulip]

might not like how it looks but the empty space hurts me so I deal with it oersobally

[plucky flax]

I can look back at teammates' based loadouts now.

[summer prairie]

flak(3), crpc(3) yikes

[plucky flax]

It's not even 80 damage.

Clearly trash I should scrap.

[kindred ivy]

how does surge work with this shit?

does it launch 2 charged big bazookas

[vestal fulcrum]

You shoot two Crit balls

[kindred ivy]

sure, but tven the full charge shot

[bleak tulip]

I don't think I could deal with this information

every time I check their weapon blessings in prematch I already dont wanna know more

[olive ember]

examples

[bleak tulip]

scroll up

#psyker-class message

[vast yew]

It shoots at the same charge level and both shots are crits

[kindred ivy]

that sonuds fun

[vast yew]

In other words: everything dies on a Surge price

[devout robin]

^

works very well with true-aim, especially in ad-packs

it pierces / aoes enough on to hit multiple poxwalker heads in close proximity so enemies in lines or clumps just fall over

[untold niche]

i would cry at the quell speed ngl :v

[untold niche]

my 78 damage void, full charge from 80, 6 stacks ws, surge proc, doesn't kill crusher :p

[vast yew]

Needs +Carapace

[untold niche]

hol on lemme check if i have it

[untold niche]

i can record video if u want :v

[vast yew]

Hmmm I know I was doing it in the Psykanium

[untold niche]

wait i should

maybe it was 4 ws

instead of 6

[vast yew]

Are you at high peril for Warp Rider?

[untold niche]

yeah, like i said charge from 80
but let me just record

yeah 4 stacks almost kills the crusher, not 6 stacks

[summer prairie]

with a few perfect timing stacks 4 is enough

I don't think carapace is worth it for that bp though. Maulers can be can be bodyshot one-shot with just flak and that's better for cleave

[dark spoke]

swap carapace?

[vast yew]

Carapace to Flak yeah

[untold niche]

i took maniac :v

quick question

gunner head what armour?

[hot zephyr]

Dreg is unarmoured, scab is flak

[bleak tulip]

dont look at the numbers too close theyre potentially outdated because the guy who made this hasnt updated it in ages

if you want the numbers the spreadsheet in my post has them

[untold niche]

ah thanks peepol

[untold niche]

which one

in pin oso?

[bleak tulip]

ye

[untold niche]

should i have went cara flak instead of cara maniac mr void?

i feel ragers much more scary

[bleak tulip]

I went with flak and prob would go for crit or something second

[hot zephyr]

Imo, flak is the universal "i dunno what I'm hitting with this" perk

[bleak tulip]

fwiw cara is def better on void than maniac

maniac on void is just... pointless

you kill everything but muties anyway

and muties you should prob melee, or you just soften them up

[hot zephyr]

Muties you should be dodging and yeah the rest of the maniacs are super squishy

[vast yew]

Pick 2 of Flak, Cara, Crit, Unyielding for Void IMO

Flak and Cara have breakpoints, Crit helps when True Aim isn’t active, Unyielding if you just want boss damage.

Think mine is Flak/Cara but I’d have to check

The only screenshot I have is of it before I swapped the perks

[plucky flax]

Better?

No long space at the bottom looks weird.

[summer prairie]

point blank gloryhunter revolver

[plucky flax]

Isn't that OP on psyker?

[long wharf]

Ragers aren't squishy

[bleak tulip]

no but they still die without maniac pretty fast

[long wharf]

Sure

[kindred ivy]

auric maestorm 💪 🫳 ⚡

[bleak tulip]

to the point where, on void, I dont think maniac is worth taking

[long wharf]

And I agree, muties get the stabby sword

[plucky flax]

[kindred ivy]

?

i hate all stafs

[bleak tulip]

[olive ember]

which staff

[plucky flax]

Enjoy no context youtube comments.

[plucky flax]

Not telling.

[near drift]

You'll live in agony every day wondering what staff they were talking about

[olive ember]

mf is trying to generate clicks on his youtube videos

[static needle]

This could be pretty neat with gunpsyker using scrier's, right?

[olive ember]

I can't believe it

[fallow steppe]

Quick question if it's okay to ask, what kind of perks do ya'll run on your Surge staffs? I've got Warp nexus/Warp Flurry, but do you still go for stuff like +Maniacs or +Elites, or is going +Crit worth it?

[olive ember]

flak elites or some shit like that iirc

[kindred ivy]

all staves

are dogshit

[plucky flax]

This is your clue

[strong gulch]

@plucky flax You get some odd comments on your videos.

[olive ember]

i hate you

[kindred ivy]

purgatus?

[olive ember]

everyone know surge staff is the worse

[plucky flax]

[kindred ivy]

purgatus is not the best, but its one of the most fnu

still falls into dogshit

but yeha

⚡

too good

[static needle]

or is it better just making your scier's last shorter?

[plucky flax]

Yeah a lot of weird stuff.

I'm always helpful and answer questions too.

[strong gulch]

I wonder how many of them are children.

[plucky flax]

I gave it a heart though.

So they feel the love. ❤️

[olive ember]

Agent chaos forgot about his promise to carry me to an orthus hard win

[plucky flax]

Didn't you have it already though?

[olive ember]

Uh

No

[plucky flax]

Okay I dunno when is my dinner. Let me see if I can get 2 more.

[olive ember]

Dinner

Oh right European

Anyone else wanna carry me through orthus hard

[plucky flax]

Well brexit so I'm not european anymore. /s

[olive ember]

[untold niche]

midly interesting, for your viewing pleasure

https://streamable.com/rf6ka0

i did like 765 damage on a rager

[olive ember]

It’s a powered swing no?

Is that not what it normally does

Am confused

[plucky flax]

Okay no response from my contact. I'll have dinner first then after I'll try to gather some peeps to do it.

[olive ember]

[plucky flax]

Hopefully ez first try.

[untold niche]

follow up from push attack
normal special into l1 does 600+ for me

[summer prairie]

i'll play if it's all psykers

[plucky flax]

We'd play on eu server though I dunno how bad your ping will be.

[azure bridge]

Oops all psykers?

[olive ember]

Oh… I was gonna test out my plasma vet

[untold niche]

are we playing now?

[summer prairie]

mine? i'm eu

[untold niche]

HOW COME IM NOT INVITED

[olive ember]

Why is everyone European

[plucky flax]

Oh if people here want to do it then sure I won't have to ask my steamlist.

Psykers are very europeans.

I think all the americans are in vet and zealot.

[summer prairie]

makes sense

[olive ember]

Don’t you guys want freedom 🏈🇺🇸

[untold niche]

waht are we doing

your penance?

[severe laurel]

Ogryn is universal, ogryn is good pals

[untold niche]

ill be glad to help atm

im from south east asai though

[azure bridge]

we should tell the american government there's oil in tertium, the heretics will be FREEDOMED by the end of the weekend

[olive ember]

What are we doing

I thought chaos was gonna eat dinner

[untold niche]

push attack is 700+

[plucky flax]

Well I can do 1 run now.

Food is nearly ready it's marinating.

[olive ember]

British food

https://tenor.com/view/posh-nosh-gif-9811459

[bleak tulip]

marniating the toast

[summer prairie]

9207756629

[untold niche]

wait, are we doing your penance, or what difficulty

[olive ember]

orthus hard

I thought

idek tbh

[untold niche]

how do i find my fatshark number thingy

[bleak tulip]

social menu

[untold niche]

don't see it, im in psk tho

[plucky flax]

Oh boy I can feel a quick wipe.

[bleak tulip]

cick on yourself iirc

[untold niche]

i will prob miss all my shots due to ping

[summer prairie]

in the find player menu at least

[untold niche]

7815743749

[plucky flax]

Derpy your fs code?

@olive ember

Man is dead. Please press f.

[bleak tulip]

f

[olive ember]

oh

I was looking at my loadout

[plucky flax]

You woke him.

[bleak tulip]

I have powers

[plucky flax]

Voidstrike is miracle.

[untold niche]

are we going to call or no

[plucky flax]

Confirmed op pls nerf and buff blaze trauma.

Can use ingame voice chat.

[olive ember]

uhhhh

how does one

uh

[untold niche]

im abit shy tho

[olive ember]

friend cde

[plucky flax]

Bruh

Go social tab then press e.

[olive ember]

1449087380

[untold niche]

wait theres in game voice chat?

[bleak tulip]

ye

[olive ember]

I just don't use it

or I would be super tilting

constantly

I put my CSGO days behind me

now I play CS2

[obsidian nimbus]

anyone here mind confirming if this build is still viable currently.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_TaanjEXjk

Tryna find something for the surge staff currently

[olive ember]

uhhh

not using warp charges is

interesting

oh its an EP smite build

[cobalt atlas]

EP Smite is terrible imo

[olive ember]

its alright

[vast yew]

Ep Smite w/ Surge works, though I disagree with some of his talent choices on a personal level

[olive ember]

but @obsidian nimbus the build is outdated

this was back when smite/surge could hit heads

so you used smite and true aim

[vast yew]

Also yeah true aim on Surge is dead cuz they fixed the bug

[echo frigate]

True aim smite :(

[obsidian nimbus]

right..

any idea on any currently surge staff builds then?

[echo frigate]

Uh

[olive ember]

uh I'd go for warp charges

[echo frigate]

Yeah

[obsidian nimbus]

that doesn't help entirely

for someone whos new

[olive ember]

lemme see if I can make something real quick

[plucky flax]

Anyone come join twins hm fast?

[echo frigate]

I mean

[plucky flax]

I have maybe 1 more run.

[echo frigate]

Surge is good

But like

[obsidian nimbus]

if you say trauma

[echo frigate]

Voidstrike and Tramua is far better

[obsidian nimbus]

i get that

[echo frigate]

I'm a voidstrike person tho

[obsidian nimbus]

i just dont like either

[vast yew]

Lemme get to my PC and I’ll show you my Surge build

[olive ember]

I'd run that for surge staff

[echo frigate]

And some voidstrike builds work for surge

[untold niche]

sorry agent, didn't expect the ping to be that bad

[obsidian nimbus]

i find the effects bland compared to lighting or fire

[olive ember]

this actually

[obsidian nimbus]

which for me i just like the look of better

[plucky flax]

You didn't have to leave.

[untold niche]

i mean i could join back ;v

but only if you need me

you could prob ping void enjoyer

[plucky flax]

Nvm it's dinner time.

[obsidian nimbus]

run me down on why this kindly a little

[echo frigate]

The gibbing is cool

But

[plucky flax]

I can try later @olive ember

In like 40 mins.

[echo frigate]

Usage>look

[obsidian nimbus]

im not going to auric with this btw

i just wanna do something thats fun

[untold niche]

what is fun for you tho
horde clear?
kill crusher/rager?
Single target boss damage?

CC?

[obsidian nimbus]

i like horde clear stuff

which was why i had smite; cause it felt so handy for em

[olive ember]

uh well surge staff you wanna stack damage buffs to hit breakpoints and with surge you crit semi often so

mettle for warp damage, warp rider for just damage

warp charges for damage and peril resist

[echo frigate]

Surge staff with smite and venting shriek with warp charges

That'd be good

[olive ember]

flame is preference, you can swap to shield if you want

[obsidian nimbus]

think that might be already in the build i poste

[olive ember]

but i prefer flame since its extra horde clear, venting, and pairs well with smite CC

since it isn't EP smite

[olive ember]

the build you use uses EP instead of warp charges and has true aim, which isn't good anymore with smite/surge staff

[echo frigate]

It's a voidstrike build but with surge staff lol

[obsidian nimbus]

right; well let me switch it up then

[echo frigate]

I would have to move around the true aim perk bit that's ez

[obsidian nimbus]

cause i wanna use something i can take into just heresy+ and be ok with

[plucky flax]

Just take my surge build for giga damage.

[untold niche]

you can take anything as long as its sane into heresy+

[obsidian nimbus]

haven't posted it

[obsidian nimbus]

autopistol only Pysker

[plucky flax]

I linked it earlier.

[obsidian nimbus]

yeah well im blind clearly

let me find it

[untold niche]

wait, does surge staff burn?

does lightning staff burn

[obsidian nimbus]

pretty sure it doesn't

i think its surge was the only one that couldn't burn last i was told

[plucky flax]

#psyker-class message

[echo frigate]

No

[obsidian nimbus]

how far back we talking

nvm

[echo frigate]

That's why you take the soulflame upon elite or specialist death

[obsidian nimbus]

still usable now?

[olive ember]

its the exact same build except he takes wildfire instead of empathic evasion

[untold niche]

standard smite into vent build ig

[plucky flax]

Yes I used it earlier and did like 700k+ damage

[kindred ivy]

void strike vs smite vs gunker

[untold niche]

psyker builds kinda boring now after i ask 10 million questions

[kindred ivy]

well "vs"

[obsidian nimbus]

probably not what ima end up with; but no less if you say it's good to use

[olive ember]

psyker has variations but they all kinda boil down to the same thing

[plucky flax]

Adjust as needed to your preference.

[kindred ivy]

if u remov the overkill from the actuall dmg, smite did more actuall dmg 💪

smite is simply built different

[olive ember]

the main things you want on surge staff are perilous combustion and damage stacking

which is why they all look similar

[untold niche]

wait is there a psyker build you don't take PC

[olive ember]

cuz every surge staff build takes perfect timing, warp rider, warp charges, perilous

not really

[kindred ivy]

PC is

[olive ember]

even gun psyker can take perilous

[obsidian nimbus]

nah ill stick to the build; i think now i just need a good rolled surge staff

[kindred ivy]

afaik PC is personal computer

so i fu play ona xbox

u wont need a PC

👍

also these plays i played this auric maestrom were fucking amazing 👍

[olive ember]

I will say crazyasianrobot builds aren't the worst

they aren't the best either but he isn't giving like complete meme builds/advice

like "recon las S tier" cough cough

[kindred ivy]

clearlyl

yall blind to see

[radiant yew]

Best Force Sword for horde clear?

[olive ember]

illisi

[radiant yew]

I need more peril generation

[obsidian nimbus]

smite

[devout robin]

illisi, best moveset for it

[radiant yew]

Great, and best for boss/specialist fighting?

[plucky flax]

You can see clutch example with the build here
https://youtu.be/4G4_cXz19XM

[devout robin]

deimos does the most single target damage but illisi holds its own with the special

[radiant yew]

Baller, love you folks

[devout robin]

if you want a proper combo of both its the mkv ds but if you need peril generation people swear by illisi

[olive ember]

so much work to kill 5 ragers

[plucky flax]

[radiant yew]

Wow the deimos looks like crap time to buy a skin

[devout robin]

kid named weapon customization mod

[olive ember]

also I forget that you lmb spam with illisi

hurts my soul

[plucky flax]

Is good horde clear

[vast yew]

you still looking for Surge build suggestions or you good?

[untold niche]

@obsidian nimbus
green and red is obvious
Pink is if you take that ability
yellow is debatable but majority says yes.

[obsidian nimbus]

sorry mid game currently

[untold niche]

that should be correct :v

[vast yew]

small caveat that the Elite Aura can be good if you need it for specific breakpoints

otherwise, gud guide

[untold niche]

i don't know enough about EP

oh wait i should add DD ones

but i don't want to image spam

[olive ember]

EP just don’t take middle skill usually, DD for the most part take the duration increase

[untold niche]

fuck i can't insert image to edited message

[vast yew]

EP is for when you either want to speed up brainburst or don't have the points for WS

you almost always take the right upgrade

[olive ember]

30 stacks is funny but most of the time you want 30 seconds for consistency

[untold niche]

DD one i am aware, just forgot to add it

[vast yew]

EP is also almost always the right-path; getting an extra charge for every 20 horde kills is worth a lot less than a charge for every Elite

[untold niche]

i think BB augments are build dependent,
im sure that is the case for gaze as well

[vast yew]

Flayer isn't

[olive ember]

BB never take kinetic flayer

[vast yew]

Flayer is a straight trap

[untold niche]

what about bubble left?

never?

[bleak tulip]

flayer is a leftover from the pre patch 13 days

[vast yew]

I don't like it but it does what it says

and some use it

[olive ember]

Bubble left is fine

[untold niche]

i don't like it myself but i seen some people use it so i didn't exclude it

[olive ember]

Just most newer players prefer drop and forget dome

[wide lake]

a good buy for psyker? or perk is too borked to be of use??

[olive ember]

But special blocking shields is strong

[bleak tulip]

it helps you densify hordes by stopping them until it runs out and gives you some time

[olive ember]

Perks+ blessing too borked

[bleak tulip]

those people dont know better, its actually one of the worst talents on the tree tbh

[wide lake]

[untold niche]

only specialist is 100% chance no?

[vast yew]

Bubble left also has funky synergy with the BB upgrade to let you spam BB more often

[untold niche]

can't surge or purge proc flayer somewhat okayish

[olive ember]

Kinetic flayer used to be good when BB generated warp charges cuz it was ez warp charge upkeep

[vast yew]

I just don't like it because it makes it a lot harder to angle under pressure from ranged mobs

[bleak tulip]

the only time I would consider using it is if youre never planning to BB ever to just get passive damage but even that'll just overkill some random bruiser or chaff like 90% of the time

its terrible

[untold niche]

so why you say it helps iwth hordes @bleak tulip

[vast yew]

blocks 10% of them

[untold niche]

even on surge/purge?

[bleak tulip]

idk I never used it I saw it explained like that

[untold niche]

no, 10% chance to block is NOT blocking 10% of them

[vast yew]

uhh

[bleak tulip]

comes out to the same really lol

[untold niche]

yeah.

no

defo not

[vast yew]

Pretty sure 10% chance to stun enemies means it'll stun 10% of the enemies that pass through

[bleak tulip]

^

[untold niche]

in theory with infinite number of sample, yes
in practice, no.

[olive ember]

I mean, on average I suppose but not literally

[bleak tulip]

well yeah

itll block less than you want

either way

[vast yew]

Or it'll trigger on 5 in a row just to make you question your sanity

[bleak tulip]

ive seen people put it up to stop muties and dogs mostly

[untold niche]

blocking < 10% of a horde isn't anything useful either imo :v

[bleak tulip]

will also stop trapper nets still like bubble

[untold niche]

yeah mainly mutie and doggie

[olive ember]

It’s for the specials

[bleak tulip]

so its not bad, its just not really as universally good as the bubble imo

I ran it maybe once

[olive ember]

Bubble is meh

I think it’s just easy to use

[vast yew]

being able to put up 2 shields in a row is extra durability vs. ranged, but having to angle it properly makes it more annoying in practice

[orchid nest]

the walls are nice with resonance too if you have a point for it in the build

[olive ember]

Drop and get free toughness

[bleak tulip]

my problem with bubble is that it subconciously makes people play slower

because they linger too much

[vast yew]

Bubble is best if you don't spam it

[olive ember]

They will turtle in bubble, and some then get corned by horde cuz of it

[vast yew]

keep your Warp Charges nice and high, save it for when it matters

[bleak tulip]

I never run it myself but its comfy when someone brings it

[untold niche]

@bleak tulip isn't the absolute worst node this one xD

[orchid nest]

I play bubble as forward cover to try to mitigate that. I place it between the enemies and us so I can get closer, not as a turtle point

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[vast yew]

like dropping it on a Beast of Nurgle, or when several reapers are shooting at the team

[vast yew]

this is also a great strategy

[bleak tulip]

anticipation is also down there but thats mostly because it is/was buged

and because of how the math works

[vast yew]

if shooters are stopping the team from getting through a drop-down point you drop the bubble on the ground after the drop down

[olive ember]

Honestly even if it’s unbugged I still wouldn’t take it

[untold niche]

is psychic leaching a absolute no?

[vast yew]

still stops shots and incentivizes team to GTFO the ledge

[olive ember]

Which one is that?

[bleak tulip]

dodge duration means it only increases iframes by like 0.1s

[bleak tulip]

EP mid

[untold niche]

seems like a waste of point

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[olive ember]

Oh yeah it’s a no

I mean you can take it with assail but that’s the only use case

[bleak tulip]

both the mids in those keystones are crap

[olive ember]

And even then it’s

Mid

[bleak tulip]

PP is also pretty bad

[olive ember]

What’s DD mid keystone?

[untold niche]

i don't take purloin but i saw someone recommend it before :v

[orchid nest]

the chance to quell

[noble basin]

Ive had almost 100 rounds at this point trying to do hardmode damnation twins as psyker and ive eaten shit all the time
my biggest of Ls I guess

[bleak tulip]

Y

[untold niche]

just seems super wahck

[vast yew]

yeah if your Gunker is using EP Assail then maybe you take Leaching but otherwise meh

PP is just terrible

[olive ember]

Lmao what why would you take that

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[untold niche]

idk, i wouldn't take it.

idk what logic the person had :v

i just want to make sure you guys share the same opinions

[olive ember]

I legit forgot that keystones existence

[vast yew]

technically it's 3x as effective as battle meditiation; 3% average instead of 1%
Buuuut it only triggers on marked enemies, so it's just worse

[summer prairie]

Bm can trigger multiple times per shot

[untold niche]

personally i never take the quell perils one

i hate having unpredictable peril

and you are going to edge anyway

that 10% peril quell is prob BAD for you

@bleak tulip consensus?

[vast yew]

I only hate unpredictable peril if I'm running Shriek.
If I'm playing Dome and just mindlessly right-clicking into a horde with a Voidstrike or something then I don't care

Dropped BM anyways cuz I needed the points

[untold niche]

but you use power :v
im assumign you run nexus

[vast yew]

Nexus doesn't matter with True Aim

[bleak tulip]

I already dont run BM

[vast yew]

It's for when True Aim doesn't apply

[bleak tulip]

especially on nexus builds

[untold niche]

eh sometimes your true aim isn't always up.
i.e. when you shooting crusher horde

[vast yew]

and losing 10% Peril is a 2% damage loss from Warp Rider. Woopdy doo

[olive ember]

The joke is that nexus build is like every build

Blaze Trauma surge voidstrike surge staff in general purge in general

[untold niche]

also this one as well

[olive ember]

That one is good

[untold niche]

no i know

[olive ember]

It’s free toughness reduction

[untold niche]

i meant the

peril quell

lol

[vast yew]

Yeah but 10% peril drop is still just 2.3% Toughness DR

[olive ember]

Oh yeah

That skill is literally just zealots aura I realized

[untold niche]

what that 10% going to do for you mister

[vast yew]

like yea you lose power, but you gain more in being able to not Quell for this shot.
It doesn't really matter too much at any rate though, and Voidstrike can get hungry for talent points

[olive ember]

You just get zealots aura but better in a skill

[bleak tulip]

I love how all the talents I used to love are still there for me at least

[vast yew]

10% is easily a half-charge with Void if you're running Peril reduction stuff and have decent Warp Resist

but Void with Warp Charges and True Aim is a lot of points

so finding space for BM is difficult

[untold niche]

but the ni would have to check my peril after every half charge :v

ok ok

tbf

im arguing partly just to argue

[vast yew]

[untold niche]

as in

im being stubborn

i personally don't find the unpredictability even wortt the 10% AND a point

but i don't need to repeat that

[orchid nest]

yeah if you have true aim and siphon at that point you're in the camp your warp charges and not really use your combat ability build

[bleak tulip]

imagine having to pick between toughness resist based on peril and KD

couldnt be me

[queen fog]

I love gambling on low percents

[vast yew]

The only other usecase for BM is on a Gunker build, where the Quell helps Gaze stay up longer
That one's a bit more usual, because Gunkers have a lot of extra points

but even then, not ubiquitous

[untold niche]

i think in that case BM makes alot more sense yeah.

but at some point in gaze

your 10%

doesn't mean jack shit

[vast yew]

I mean yeah

[untold niche]

im assuming overall you get more time

in gaze though

[vast yew]

But where else you gonna put that point, 30% Quell speed?

[untold niche]

so fair point.

[hot zephyr]

@vast yew Tested the purg build with soulstealer + inner tranq. It rips. I think I manually quelled two or three times the whole run and it was mostly from target starvation because I wasn't full dumping my peril with shriek

[untold niche]

wait actually

[queen fog]

I love that pun

[untold niche]

how does a normal gunker build look like

[vast yew]

That do be the way

[bleak tulip]

fuck if I know

[queen fog]

Gunker builds are normal? That’s news to me

[vast yew]

You go straight down the right side, then figure out if you want EP or DD

[untold niche]

oh yeah assail.

[vast yew]

Grab PC and then figure out wtf to do with the points you have left

[bleak tulip]

well you dont pick EP thats for sure

[untold niche]

no i mean do you take warp speed?

[vast yew]

EP Assail is fine on Gunkers

[untold niche]

do people generally take warp speed?

[vast yew]

keeps your ammo use down

[obsidian nimbus]

@plucky flax Alright i tried it; it was pretty fun on maelstorm malice

[untold niche]

i know its very good, but not sure if most people have the points

[vast yew]

some do, I do

not required tho

[bleak tulip]

lets see what my gunker looks like

[hot zephyr]

There's kinda two Gunker builds.

1. Battery Gunner which takes mostly right side to scriers but them go over to get warp siphon for 6 charges
2. Assail/Gunker weave which takes malific momentum and typically goes EP or DD for bonus damage and crit

[bleak tulip]

the one I never use

[orchid nest]

you have room for either a lot of toughness or a few quality of life things in a typical gunker build

[untold niche]

general build guide for you

[noble basin]

should i use voidstrike or surge staff for twins? getting better results outta void but a few guides say otherwise

[untold niche]

gunker 2 is the high APM one right

assail ds4 and

uh

idk the gun :v

[hot zephyr]

Yeah assail weave is high APM, battery gunner is a lot eaiser

[clear zenith]

columnus

[vast yew]

Columnus, usually

but sometimes Laspistol or a Revolver

[plucky flax]

[vast yew]

Apparently some Headhunter variants are good too but I don't like them

[untold niche]

i think you can't take warp speed with this build right, to go from right to left and take 6 charge

[orchid nest]

pathing over to creeping flames on gunker is also a good build. you waste a couple talent points but it is what it is

[vast yew]

I don't think builds take both Gaze and Siphon, right? Because Siphon's Cooldown reduction doesn't work with Gaze

on those builds you go Creeping Flames instead

[untold niche]

do you take PC on gunker?

[vast yew]

You take PC on every build you can

[orchid nest]

yeah

[glossy ember]

i'd argue the 30% regen on assail isn't that useful

[vast yew]

unless you really need the points elsewhere, PC is goated

[hot zephyr]

Yeah because siphon doesn't work on SG most folks take creeping flames and smite and go for the revolver build

[orchid nest]

PC procs dumdum for you too which is nice

[glossy ember]

[vast yew]

yeah Revolver/Smite/Creeping/Warp Siphon is a cool build

[hot zephyr]

100% take PC, it's massive boss damage

[vast yew]

Why do you show up every time I talk about Gaze here

Do you have a google alert or something

[glossy ember]

i be gazing

[vast yew]

Fair enough

[plucky flax]

Gazer

[hot zephyr]

He uses Beloved™

[untold niche]

@hot zephyr so battery gunker still take gaze?

[bleak tulip]

no idea if this is good but thats what I have for the gunker build I literally never play

[vast yew]

If you're a madman like Booden you can go Gaze/Warp Siphon with a Surge staff and pop off

[vast yew]

looks fine to me if you like the DD minigame

[hot zephyr]

You CAN, it's just you won't benefit from warp siphon's CDR on gaze's cooldown

[bleak tulip]

more speed seemed fun

[vast yew]

I don't, so I go EP isntead

[untold niche]

i mean in general

like what most people do / what is agreed upon

[bleak tulip]

I cant stand assail so theres the extra reason not to use EP

[olive ember]

Regen on assail isn’t that needed

[vast yew]

Most people don't take Gaze with Warp Siphon because it's anti-synergy a bit. Booden does, because he's a madman

[glossy ember]

it's not really anti synergy. People care too much about the cdr

[untold niche]

also battery gunker, assail as well right? or can go smite

[olive ember]

Anyways time for afternoon nap time

It’s 2 PM

[glossy ember]

DD ends up yielding more damage for finesse weapons though so

[vast yew]

it's more than you press F and your 24% damage boost drops off

[glossy ember]

just build it back up

now you have 34%

totally how it works

big maths fan

[orchid nest]

I usually take regen on assail unless I am creeping flames. you def don't need it with creeping flames, and if you don't have creeping flames you have extra points anyways

[vast yew]

Regen on Assail is great if you need it

If you don't, then it isn't

depends on how much you swap weapons

[hot zephyr]

Battery gunner will typically look like this if you go gaze. You can take Assail or Smite, your choice.

[vast yew]

I don't take it on my Surge/Assail build because I have surge staff to fill the gaps, but I do take it on my Gunker to help save ammo

[untold niche]

that is fucking sad dude
can't even take any of the gaze augments

[hot zephyr]

Nah there's three points extra, you can take what you want still

[vast yew]

Essence Harvest
mmmmmm

hmmmmmmmmmm

I don't like that

[hot zephyr]

Oh shoot I took the wrong node there, you're right

[vast yew]

oh lol

[untold niche]

wait

[orchid nest]

depends on what blitz you have. for smite yeah you might want the peril reduction

if you only have assail to build peril then eh

[untold niche]

why woudl you take inner tranq over essence harvest on gunker

[untold niche]

oh yea

assail

i forgot

im dumb

[hot zephyr]

Peril reducing for gazing

[untold niche]

oh im mega dumb

[hot zephyr]

You can take smite or assail, your pick

[summer prairie]

only if you get quick elite kills after you use it

[hot zephyr]

But that's the typical battery/gaze build

[hot zephyr]

Which you are typically popping gaze to wreck a special pack

[untold niche]

for high apm gunker, take both assail node right

[orchid nest]

you can greed the regen speed node but its a good idea for gunker to take it still for ammo efficiency

[vast yew]

I drop the 30% regen on Staff Assail but keep it on Gunker

[bleak tulip]

oh yeah also apparently I value crit over flak anyway because here's my void @untold niche

[hot zephyr]

This is my high APM Assail/Gunker Weave. You can take scriers instead of shield if you prefer, but I like the safety for the team.

[bleak tulip]

cant be assed to farm a better one

and it kills flak fast enough anyway

roll that dice

[untold niche]

second perk kinda sad

[bleak tulip]

lets me charge even less for hordes thats how I see it

[orchid nest]

this is my build I usually use except I have quietude instead of the middle ep thing

[bleak tulip]

getting another staff like that would take forever

[untold niche]

as if you do :p

[bleak tulip]

so I just dont bother

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I've been debating which of those to take too. Either works, it's just the timing. I think quietitude might be slightly better cus it's just passively ticking as opposed to the bursts of EP, but Psychich leeching also helps your team so....

[orchid nest]

well except I have scriers too here and there

[untold niche]

doesn't take that long i reckon

[queen fog]

Warp flurry’s a godsend for slow charge time staves

Got it on my tramaforce and it fucks

[orchid nest]

I like how quietude was quietitude forever and everyone always said quietude so much that apparently even the devs forgot

[plucky flax]

I'm back does derpy still need help?

[bleak tulip]

just getting a base that good takes a while just rolling on brunt, no thanks

I dont play enough to have that many ordos especially since I reroll melkies extensively

[orchid nest]

I like having a non offensive way of getting toughness back typically to round out my generation. so it's either I have quietude or supplement it with toughness regen curios. but I usually have quietude. just personal preference, def don't have to have it

[untold niche]

which one would you pick? the circled ones.

idk if the 5% will matter

and i feel

toughness on high apm gunker

is fake anyway

you are most likely going be paper as fuck

from what i remember of that playstyle

so to me atm its which is less not important

[hot zephyr]

5% won't matter, use that elsewhere. Maybe take One With the Warp since you are going CDR aura?

[untold niche]

with gaze you won't edge though, that one is worth it?

[orchid nest]

I would only path through the middle aura as a gunker if you intend to stack one with the warp with the scrier toughness node. and yeah the 5% peril one isn't worth it. mind in motion isn't worth it to me either

[hot zephyr]

Gaze is only up 10-15 seconds, One With The Warp is up all the time

[untold niche]

because you won't run nexus right
so if you were to take one with the warp might as well take the gaze's toughnesss DR

[orchid nest]

but you need it of course to path that way

[untold niche]

oh yeah one with the warp has base 10% ( i assume on zero peril)

my bad

[vast yew]

5% crit aura is also just very very good, depending on what gun you're running

[hot zephyr]

Drop the movespeed node on gaze, you don't need it cus Mettle will give you movespeed. Use that and take both toughness ability (one with the warp and endurance)

[untold niche]

but flash speed

[hot zephyr]

but 30-53% TDR

[untold niche]

if you are running high apm aren't you an elite gamer that will never get hit anyway

[hot zephyr]

You'd be surprised how often I'm using shield to prevent gunner's from breaking my toughness while I'm blasting away

[orchid nest]

yeah all the toughness damage reduction is just additive as far as I know. I guess I didn't specifically look into the psyker ones but the other ones work that way. it's why ogryn is so silly

[untold niche]

so what, for curio perk, CDR and flat toughness?