psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

Thrust and cleave on a club

aint nothing gonna be left

[hot zephyr]

Oh yeah, this morning our trauma enjoyer absolutely slapped a crusher/bulwark pack into next millennium. That is a no joke build

[marble pebble]

new ogryn weapon idea

flamethrower

[green carbon]

throws flame

[marble pebble]

not unique i hear you say ? well the flamethrower is the partys psyker

[vast yew]

Blaze Trauma can handle pretty much anything the game throws at you except a Chaos Spawn with other stuff around

[ornate hamlet]

That's why I use shield walls.

(with trauma)

[hot zephyr]

I mean, honestly the mini bosses aren't really that scary on their own anyways.

[vast yew]

mini-bosses are fine

actual Chaos Spawn + Rager wave is not

[green carbon]

on their own being the key part

[vast yew]

heck you can solo a Chaos Spawn if you're good at dancing with a DS4

[ornate hamlet]

What are the dudes that are walking tincans with welder masks?

[green carbon]

monstrosities have this unfortunate tendency to split your team as a bunch of unpleasant nurgle worshippers show up

[ornate hamlet]

I fear no man. But those things? They scare me.

[vast yew]

but Spawns have aggressive movesets that force you into a defensive playstyle, which makes it hard to clear other stuff at the same time

[vast yew]

Maulers

[green carbon]

maulers?

with the 2h chainaxes?

[ornate hamlet]

@vast yew Yes, I fear no man. But those things? They scare me.

[hot zephyr]

The Chaos Spawn is kinda the toughest one

[green carbon]

definitely the most annoying

[vast yew]

It's the fact that Spawns attack like a methead who thinks you have a $20 bill in your back pocket

[green carbon]

cause he has that flurry of slams, and a grab

[vast yew]

the openings to hit them are tiny

[ornate hamlet]

Crushers don't scare me because they crowd too much and cant attack you from as many directions as maulers can.

[marble pebble]

i feel like maulerd are not as bad as ragers

[vast yew]

so you have to block and dodge a bunch, whereas a Plague Ogryn you can kinda just bully

[marble pebble]

imo

[vast yew]

and Beast of Nurgle is just LOL if you dodge the vomit

[green carbon]

a rager pack is easily one of the worst things

[vast yew]

Bulwark packs can also be a bit frustrating for non-Trauma users

[marble pebble]

even mroe so since shield bubble blocks their vomit

[vast yew]

yeah if you have dome you just pop it on them and laugh in their face

[ornate hamlet]

Smite is the ultimate equalizer.

Such a force multiplier.

[green carbon]

beast of nurgle used to be so much pain if you were trying to clutch due to the massive slowdown and area control

but now that the slow of the goo was lowered

it's fine

[marble pebble]

smite a boss to death i dare you

[unkempt hare]

Smite is great if you're going to use it

[marble pebble]

report back to us in 3 buisness days

[unkempt hare]

(I never do)

[vast yew]

uploads 87 minute long video

[green carbon]

Smite is great in auric

but

definitely not fun for everyone

since it has next to no kill pressure

[marble pebble]

i love it all the time i do

[unkempt hare]

Brain burst is great if you're not going to use it

[green carbon]

I use bb

[unkempt hare]

Cuz it gives burst damage passives

[vast yew]

Smite is at its best when used to buy some space and time for your team, but it puts the burden of damage entirely on your team

[green carbon]

I mean I use everything

but my main for now is bb

[vast yew]

BB is the only one IMO that makes sense on Fire Trauma

you certainly aren't going to use Smite or Assail much on that build

might as well take the infinite-range option that also lets you pick up Psykinetic's Aura

[green carbon]

honestly, as great as blaze trauma is

I'll always be a rend trauma enjoyer

armor bye bye

[vast yew]

Rend Trauma is technically faster at kiling Crushers

nice for bosses too, applying brittle

[marble pebble]

I cannot stop using smiter because it feels like this

[vast yew]

and easier to play thanks to Warp Flurry

[marble pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[green carbon]

yeh

you just perma stagger and brittle everything

xd

[vast yew]

But if you can master Quell canceling then Blaze Trauma just does almost everything Rend Trauma does while also killing the entire horde for free

[green carbon]

haven't tried blaze tbh

[vast yew]

Blaze is stupid

the Area it applies fire on a crit is the total AoE, not the epicenter

which means on an 80 blast radius staff, that's 8.4m radius on full charge. or larger than some grenades.

[marble pebble]

You ever like, got a room on full lockdown with smite, then you need to quell and this happens

[vast yew]

2 crits = 6 stacks, and 6 stacks kills everything that isn't a Bruiser or higher

[marble pebble]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[green carbon]

what do you generally run with blaze?

nexus?

[marble pebble]

As The crushers come down at you

[vast yew]

No usually I get a room on full lockdown with Smite, turn around to tell the team to kill stuff, and they left the room cuz they figured I had it handled

[long zodiac]

I just tried this on psykanium and wtf

[vast yew]

yeah Nexus

[vast yew]

yeah dude lmao

it's dumb

[long zodiac]

I thought it was just the circle

lmao

[green carbon]

oh it reaches beyond the circle?

[marble pebble]

Someone said nice crowd control to me today 👉 👈

[green carbon]

lmao

[vast yew]

so if you have an 80 blast radius staff, full-charge it in Psykanium

[green carbon]

send cc pics pls uwu

[vast yew]

anything that has a damage number pop up will be lit on fire on a crit

that includes the dudes halfway across the room taking ~30 damage

[green carbon]

yeah I'll have to play around with it

any key talents for it?

[vast yew]

uh PC is good

Warp Siphon + Creeping Flames helps keep your horde clear nice and consistent

[green carbon]

Wildfire sounds pretty good too

[harsh urchin]

Wildfire is bad

[vast yew]

the trickier bit is getting a really good Staff and then not having Hadron brick it, because without Warp Flurry you really want high charge rate, blast radius, and of course damage and quell speed

[unkempt hare]

I would say wildfire is best way of getting warp battery

[long zodiac]

My quell speed for my fire trauma is 52

[vast yew]

Wildfire is very underwhelming due to underlying math, but if you find you're not keeping up Warp Siphon you can combine it with In Fire Reborn for easier stacks

[harsh urchin]

Wildfire is really really bad rn

[vast yew]

it is very good for this too

[harsh urchin]

I would not take it on any build

[vast yew]

personally I have no problems keeping up Warp Siphon, so I don't take Wildfire

[harsh urchin]

Due to how it works mechanically

[green carbon]

? I run wildfire on my main build, it's fine

[harsh urchin]

Try taking it off

You'll notice that it doesnt do anything

Because of the way the stacks cap

[green carbon]

I know it won't send anything to what is already at 4+

but it's a pretty decent collateral

[harsh urchin]

It also wont send anything at lower stacks, cuz the stacks are delivered evenly when it spreads

[vast yew]

It also doesn’t spread above the number the dead enemy had, and blaze trauma gives everything 3. So no spreading.

[green carbon]

guess that's fair

[marble pebble]

I avoid this issue by just using gun

[vast yew]

It splits the stacks between targets too, so often it gives 4 guys 1 stack each

[green carbon]

I do run mainly purgatus

which makes wildfire alright

[marble pebble]

I've a great idea

[green carbon]

especially since fun fact: corpses work with wildfire too

[marble pebble]

Let's give psyker a shotgun

For reasons

[vast yew]

Beam staff pls Fatshark

It’s basically a shotgun

[green carbon]

coruscation staff in darktide

[marble pebble]

I was more thinking of asking the ogryn to borrow his ripper

[green carbon]

if it would be anything like in VT, we'd see nothing but coru in auric

[long zodiac]

most recent nerfed version

[marble pebble]

What can go wrong

[green carbon]

... it's still the best Sienna staff

[harsh urchin]

Coruscation got gutted afaik

[long zodiac]

we love a bit of variety

[green carbon]

even after the balance pass

[green carbon]

nah it's still arguably the best staff

[long zodiac]

I tried to sprint and slide when I tried pyromancer

[green carbon]

not as borken

but

[marble pebble]

I only played outcast engineer in VT2

[harsh urchin]

Idk fireball staff is pretty insanely disgusting lol

[green carbon]

engi got greatly changed too

[harsh urchin]

It kills everything

Even your team

[marble pebble]

The no hurty friends bomb still make people panic

[long zodiac]

I also forget that theres actual friendly fire in VT so I ended up doing more dmg to my team than the rats

[green carbon]

granted in VT, I'm a necro main

[green carbon]

they're just rats in disguise anyway

[marble pebble]

Imagine if one day

[long zodiac]

🐀

[marble pebble]

Fatshark enabled friendly fire

[green carbon]

[marble pebble]

For darktide

[green carbon]

[long zodiac]

imagine the ogryn friendly fire dmg

[green carbon]

it'd be so over

so joever

[marble pebble]

Stand in front of a gungryn for .1 sec

And dead

[green carbon]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-ogryn-run-naked-funny-gif-18082679885906165021

[long zodiac]

ogrynheimer w/ rumbler and fragbomb

[green carbon]

imma be real

I prefer gauntlet over rumbler

[marble pebble]

Although friendly fire would only be enabled.. in sub level 4

[long zodiac]

trollhammer moment

[marble pebble]

Because..

[ornate hamlet]

"I just filled the cup." - Jay from Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back

[marble pebble]

THERES NO FLAVOUR WITHOUT SPORT

[long zodiac]

it haunts my dreams

and I sometimes hear their theme

in my head

[green carbon]

we crit at dawn lads

[marble pebble]

I entered the normal version of that map.

Still the nightmares won't go away..

[long zodiac]

tried for 8 hours straight for hardmode yesterday

got a psyker to use smite to headlock every elite

[green carbon]

[marble pebble]

I gotta say though

[long zodiac]

I wake up, I hear: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smbebCsvH1s

[marble pebble]

It's incredibly fun

[green carbon]

[marble pebble]

And soooooo rewarding when I finally beat the hardmode

[green carbon]

I need the insignia

[long zodiac]

Made me realize that other players are not bots

[green carbon]

tomorrow I can play darktide

[long zodiac]

and it's nice to actually talk

[mental rock]

The challenge of hardmode def made it very satisfying upon winning

[green carbon]

I'll prob just go dome cc psyker for it

if not

tank zealot balling

[marble pebble]

Quadgryn

[long zodiac]

fs did take the suggestion of having to fight the boss(es) multiple times and them fleeing

[green carbon]

or the OGryn, yeah

[long zodiac]

it got close on a 4 glugger joke run

[marble pebble]

I almost had it once with a pug

However

Veterans being what they are

[green carbon]

average vet player roflmao

as feared as a stealth zealot

[marble pebble]

Went right and ate sword twins aoe move

And perished

[long zodiac]

same, we killed rodent but threw by trying to revive someone on fire

and all died in one corner

[crude cape]

What are the good maps to try to solo with SoloPlay mod?

both the new ones are soloable right?

[green carbon]

oh geez

[marble pebble]

But man the pure satisfaction when that victory screen popped up ?

[green carbon]

it's been a while since I did true solo

[marble pebble]

Dopamine rush

[green carbon]

haven't tried the new maps

with it

[crude cape]

i think im gonna try Mercantile on Maelstrom C-I-VI, all scab all melee

with my trauma build

i feel like i can do it

[long zodiac]

🫡

[green carbon]

gaming

o7

[crude cape]

its so good at controlling hordes of armor

[green carbon]

I wish you luck sibling

[marble pebble]

I kinda wish that health bars were shown as a default option

[crude cape]

i think i can just infinitely kite and stay alive

source: just had to clutch hard on it with randos and almost was solo like....a LONG time

[green carbon]

[crude cape]

2 people left, 2 bots, and other guy died like 4 times

[green carbon]

I play DT without any mods

you get used to it

[marble pebble]

Same

[green carbon]

honestly, I thought about getting the healthbar mod, but a part of me is kinda against it

[marble pebble]

I just wanna see the 5 damage Smite ticks everywhere

[green carbon]

xD

[crude cape]

wait why are there bots

its solo play mod lmao

[green carbon]

solo play only allows local host solo missions, does not disable bots

if you want to disable mods you need true solo mod

[untold widget]

Another mod-less sibling?

[green carbon]

which is a mod that expands solo play

[untold widget]

theres 2 of us!

[long zodiac]

find a barrel and blow them off a ledge

[cobalt bone]

does that mod allow me to do the pennace where u need to bb a monstrosity?

[green carbon]

no mods auric gaming over here

[green carbon]

solo mod disables achievements

[cobalt bone]

man sux

[green carbon]

it's entirely just for fun

[cobalt bone]

guess i needa find friends

[marble pebble]

Oh side note more veteran shenanigans @green carbon

[proper osprey]

Bb > any other blitz

[untold widget]

theres lfg

[green carbon]

you can toss an lfg request in the proper channels here, and hope someone answers

xD

[marble pebble]

Ran face first first into burster

Knocked into crusher

Pancaked

[green carbon]

stuck between a burster and a hard lad

funny enough, I'm actually a pretty damn good vet as I learned recently

[crude cape]

i see it, ty

[marble pebble]

My brain shuts off occasionally when burster appears in front of me

[green carbon]

cause when my friends were trying out auric damnation

[marble pebble]

I dodge towards it

[green carbon]

I picked vet to complete the team

and

that was when vet tree reset

which I forgot

so I went an entire auric damnation talentless

[wicked hornet]

what's better. Inner tranquility or Essence Harvest?

[proper osprey]

What blitz?

[green carbon]

I like harvest more, depends on build and preference though

[kindred ivy]

tahts legit the way

[wicked hornet]

This is a purg staff so I use BB for snipers etc

[green carbon]

with purg get harvest I say

the constant siphon stacks from soulblaze mean constant toughness regen

because In Fire Reborn funny

aight folks, I shall disappear now

[wicked hornet]

thanks and makes sense

[long zodiac]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/687030778999472163.gif?size=48&quality=lossless

[cobalt bone]

hope you reappear soon! :3

[marble pebble]

Don't run into any stray ragers

Or a whole wave

[worthy dune]

Got this after mission but IF THE RADIUS AND RESIST WERE SWAPPPPPPPEEDDDDD

[rapid plinth]

So how do I get higher % on my weapon

For all the stats

[mental rock]

Lol

He lacks the information

[magic hull]

guys, i am need deep need of advice on how to build this deimos sword.

[mental rock]

You pray to the omnissiah for better rolls from brunt

That's a brick brother

[untold widget]

learn one of the blessings from it and hope hardon doesn't fuck you next time

[wheat acorn]

this any good?

[mental rock]

No

Scrap it

[untold widget]

nope

[wheat acorn]

idk what the dump stap for purge is

[untold widget]

damage

[wheat acorn]

really?

[untold widget]

yeah

[mental rock]

Yes it's damage

[untold widget]

all of the damage comes from burn

[wheat acorn]

ohh

[worthy dune]

If it's all ya got for now try to get uncanny strike on it and replace sprint effic w maniac or flak dmg

[untold widget]

you need burn and cloud radius as high as you can get it

[wheat acorn]

so something like this?

[untold widget]

yeah

way better

[wheat acorn]

but with better warp res

?

[untold widget]

its fine

warp rider makes you do more damage, and purg doesn't generate all that much peril

that's a perfectly usable staff

[worthy dune]

low warp res is actually good, you build more damage faster, just gotta make sure you quell more often

[magic hull]

here is the farm blessings I got. Which one should i give up to gain blessings for?

[untold widget]

depending on what perks and blessings you roll

[wheat acorn]

what would i wanna roll for blessing

[subtle swift]

got a decent roll purge staff. i dunno how i feel about using it though as it blinds the entire team

[worthy dune]

take uncanny 4 off and put it on your current one over riposte

[untold widget]

you want warp nexus and warp flurry

[worthy dune]

Sumn like this

[untold widget]

exactly

[worthy dune]

Wish the cloud n war res were swapped

[untold widget]

yeah

[wheat acorn]

well i dont have materials lol

[subtle swift]

i have terrify on mine thats kinda fun

[untold widget]

c'est la vie

[wheat acorn]

and rolled a shit level up

[untold widget]

terrify is worthless, you already suppress on kill

getting more suppress doesnt mean anything

[subtle swift]

ah didnt know it did

why even have the blessing on the weapon

[untold widget]

fatshark doesn't either apparently

why indeed

[severe folio]

its to be the icon of fear

[untold widget]

why does Wildfire exist the way it does, despite the tooltip

[clear heath]

yeah ranged weapons in general have suppression on kill

[severe folio]

need bait talent

to give off illusion of choice

[clear heath]

they gotta put in trash blessings so hadron can screw you over

surge blessing on trauma staff

[untold widget]

to force you to spend...money...on...yeah I dont know

[magic hull]

been maining this one for a while now

[untold widget]

if you could real money buy perfect rolls it'd make more sense, in a scummy way

this is just mean

[worthy dune]

shits p much perfect

[worthy dune]

what level are u rn?

[untold widget]

this is the pile of garbage I've had to use

lol @ the carapace damage

[magic hull]

I just need a good melee with purgatus

[worthy dune]

Anyone know which duellin sword has the overhead slash?

[untold widget]

DS4

[worthy dune]

Duellin swords are slept on as fuck in general

[untold widget]

V I think?

[mental rock]

Do you mean on the heavy? Ds5 has overhead heavies

[harsh urchin]

5, but 4 is considered to be significantly better currently

[untold widget]

4 is objectively the best

[harsh urchin]

Due to just doing 40% more dmg

For no reason

[magic hull]

is it good for elites

or specials

[untold widget]

DS4 is good for everything

lights for hordes, Heavies for elites

special stab staggers everything but bosses

[worthy dune]

I like 4 a lot cause heavy stab

[magic hull]

time to farm again i guess

Has anyone beat the twins on damnation?

[untold widget]

yeah

ez

[mental rock]

Yeah plenty of people

[untold widget]

hard mode is less ez

but doable

[severe folio]

not ez

[magic hull]

Yeah the hardest mode i mean

[cloud heron]

Psyker kind of sucks against them. Zealot and Ogryn are much bettere suited to it

[untold widget]

When I did mine, I solo'd Rinda

[magic hull]

I have no wounds build, the grimoire kills me so quickly lol

[kindred ivy]

get to lvl 30

goddamit

i didn scroll down before messagin

[untold widget]

while the other team guys did pistol guy

[mental rock]

I think gun psyker is honestly psyker's best option for karnak

[kindred ivy]

psycher on karnak

focus as a suport

[strong gulch]

Melk doesn't have the worst thing ever for once.

[kindred ivy]

make sure your team can do dmg and they arent bothered by the other elites

[untold widget]

I kinda wanna do malleus tonight

I want that black armor

[kindred ivy]

what i did on my case i smited everything on the arena

[mental rock]

Meh, I'd rather just have a void psyker kill the elites instead of cc them

[kindred ivy]

i kill them

i have a revolver

[subtle swift]

there rolled one thats ok without terrify and has warpnexus+flurry

[kindred ivy]

but i also stun them

[magic hull]

I play purg, so on the final level i deal with hordes while my team focus on the twins. But if they target me im basically game over. I only have two wounds on my health, which makes it even harder.

[subtle swift]

i norm play surge but it gets boring after awhile using the same weapon

[kindred ivy]

which is why smite is better in this case

[mental rock]

Yeah purge staff is probably the weakest for karnak

[kindred ivy]

smite wont let you down

since it will stun them

u can take the aggro away from your team easelly

[cloud heron]

stunning is so slow though, when instead you could just kill them

[magic hull]

hmnm, smite and purge is a bit redundant isnt it tho?

[kindred ivy]

its not

[worthy dune]

Here's my Mk 4 Duel Sword, Im tryna roll one w Shred 4 over rampage but even so you can see how good this thing is in general

[subtle swift]

i just played a round with my purge staff and it murders crowds but i dont like how blinding it is

[kindred ivy]

i also ran revolver (handcnanong surgical) and cavalry sword

[cloud heron]

like obviously nothing is impossible, but if a zealot with an infantry autogun and chastise replaced you they would just hose them down in seconds and then immediately be able to go back to killing the twins

[kindred ivy]

dont run staff, run revolver or nother gun

[kindred ivy]

yeah no

cause i had a zealot on my team

and he also had a very fast "horde" weapon, i let my entire team free

to do what they wanted

the venting + flame kills elites fast, and so does a revolver

[magic hull]

the urge to get the twins banner on hard mode 🥲

[worthy dune]

Hot take: Run empowered psionics brainburst scriers, pop scriers, stab with duel sword, brain burst procs on heavy, use empowered on your brain burst to use 3 of em without using peril, rinse and repeat

[cloud heron]

soulblaze does not kill maulers fast. Or we have different definitions of fast

[magic hull]

is the twins limited event or is it perpetual?

[kindred ivy]

i run revolver and cavalry sword MKIV

i stun the elites for my team,but yeah if i can kill them i will

[cloud heron]

but again though, you could have a psyker stunning them or just someone else kill them outright

[subtle swift]

what i read the twins raiding your runs was limited time but there has been nothing that i have seen that the twins boss fight is going away

[kindred ivy]

stunning them, the entire horde, the sniper in the corner etc etc etc

[subtle swift]

but i might have missed something

[magic hull]

thats stab on the Crusher is dirty my man.

[kindred ivy]

what seemed to end my runs the most on karnak was ragers since they move fast and can quickly kill someone.

the stun gives leeway for the team

[mental rock]

#general-chat message the best info we got

[kindred ivy]

it opens space for htem

[cloud heron]

killing them gives more

[untold widget]

anyone up to help me do Malleus rq?

[kindred ivy]

yeah kill the horde, elites, crushers, maulers, snipers, etc

[subtle swift]

yeah would feel weird making content for a game thats STARVED for content and then taking it away

[untold widget]

I'll do yours if you do mine

[worthy dune]

and that's without crit or tier 4 shred, shit can get even more nuts

[kindred ivy]

while not wasting ammo

[bleak tulip]

not sure why people keep assuming a whole ass content thing they worked on for presumably weeks or months would just disappear entirely after like two weeks lol

[kindred ivy]

and while making sure none of those enemies are attacking any other teammate

[worthy dune]

FATSHARK LET ME SWAP ONE MODIFIER PER WEAPON FOR FUCK SAKE PLEASE

[subtle swift]

yeah that would be throwing away alot of man hours

[bleak tulip]

like this alone

[kindred ivy]

also, u keep missing my point of the cavalry sword + revolver

[severe folio]

you got the wrong Dueling sword

[cloud heron]

you're only doing one or the other though. Either you're stunning them with smite or you're throwing soulblaze at them, which is slow as hell, or shooting them with a revolver, which also just isn't a great weapon for the volume of them

[mental rock]

Because FS has been known to do this

[worthy dune]

Nah I was just checkin sumn

[kindred ivy]

smite -> venting push

that keeps them away for long for couple revovler blasts

continue smiting

[bleak tulip]

I mean I havent played a lot of VT2 all things considered but it just doesnt make sense

[cloud heron]

or you just have the zealot pull out an autogun, chastise, and obliterate them

[mental rock]

I agree, it doesn't make sense

[kindred ivy]

then he isnt focusing on the boss

[magic hull]

Nothing wrong with asking tbh. Just making sure.

[kindred ivy]

i tried once my build with 3 ppl from this discord. we instantly won

[cloud heron]

well it would be in place of the psyker, so you just have that second zealot able to pivot sooner instead of having a whole player tied up in this smite loop

[harsh urchin]

I doubt itll disappear until feb or march

[bleak tulip]

sure its just an ongoing weird thing where people see a range of a date and just jump to "THEYLL REMOVE IT FOMO" panic

[harsh urchin]

At least until yhe next big patch

[severe folio]

premade is the highest chance of victory you can have with the twin fight

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

apparently it wont at all

[severe folio]

build, spawn rng, none of that matter

[kindred ivy]

have u won the twins already btw blaze?

[bleak tulip]

which is how I fully expected it to go

[severe folio]

what matter most is your teammates, your coordination

[magic hull]

mate, i will be going away for a couple of months.

[cloud heron]

yes, I've beaten them on hard mode

[kindred ivy]

same

[clear heath]

I don't know why i assumed it was temporary either

[bleak tulip]

im not blaming you fam or saying youre one of those people

[magic hull]

fair enough

but i really wanted that banner reward lol, its a nice flex

on hardmode

[bleak tulip]

eh

lol

[kindred ivy]

i think u undervalue the smite, also our team didnt have a single chastice or executioner stance

[cloud heron]

It does matter though. This fight is really specialized towards specific types of enemies, so builds that specialize in dealing with those enemies will naturally perform better. I'm not saying it's impossible to win with suboptimal choices, but it does make a difference

[bleak tulip]

steam discussions having a normal one

[kindred ivy]

it was relic prayer zealot and shout vet

• gunlugger

[tawdry pasture]

POV: you are a physicist infuriated by entropy

[cloud heron]

and psyker just doesn't really have a comparable way of quickly dealing with bulk amounts of carapace enemies

[kindred ivy]

the entire team was kept scratchless

crushers are the only eneimies that are fully carapace

[clear heath]

most of the enemies are flak

[kindred ivy]

all other ones are doable

also, revolver with handcannon

which will deal with the maulers easelly

[severe folio]

so psyker dont have a comparable way of dealing with bulk of amount of carapaces, and you arent going to control the spawn RNG, then how does build and spawn rng matter as much as group coordination ?

[clear heath]

there's a lot more ragers/maulers than there are crushers

[cloud heron]

the revolver isn't even good at the scale you need to take them down in

[kindred ivy]

it was

pretty sure the revolver worked very well

nothing could touch my team, i could soak up aggro , kill the hordes easelly (which arent evne dmg dangerous but do body block you)

we used the skip on my team, 400 enemies killed totel, 6.3k stuns

[cloud heron]

because if every player is just able to handle every situation, there's less room for things to go wrong. And the classes best able to handle every situation (in this specific fight) are ogryn and zealot

[kindred ivy]

thats kinda a duck move

they walk, swim and fly

none of it very well

[severe folio]

thats why i said group coordination are more important than build and spawn rng right ?

[cloud heron]

in this case though, they do do it well

[kindred ivy]

my ogryn oculd focus exclusivelly on dmg, didnt have to look back or side

my zealot was free for all backstabs and clearing grenades cause no enemies could backstab him

[cloud heron]

chastised autogun will shred armored enemies and the shield, then you have plenty of melee options for dealing with the bosses

[kindred ivy]

my vet would clear the elites with his plasmagun

and i would make sure none of the enemies moved

[rotund fable]

got this as a mission reward, good staff or no? (i dont use the purg often enough to know)

[kindred ivy]

everyone had 1 job, and everything went well

[cloud heron]

you really want 76% burn on the purge staff

[rotund fable]

I presume that's a specific breakpoint for something?

[cloud heron]

the perk and blessing are also both bad

[rotund fable]

i repeat, got it as a mission reward

[cloud heron]

yeah. Highest cap on soulblaze stacks

[kindred ivy]

not saying that another team comp wouldnt do great too

but yall undervalue smite a lot

crowd controll on this game is insane

at the end of my attempt none needed to be rescued, or had wounds missing

and i mean like

from teh ground

i know u cant revive lel

[severe folio]

we just dont find the value of smite in this particular case to be

compatible

sure its great to put them on hold while your team is doing their things in this fight

but at the end of the day on the most important time, thats all it can do

whereas you really want to do more than just putting them on hold

[kindred ivy]

venting push with fire

[severe folio]

not enough

[kindred ivy]

kill 1 elite with the revovler, flames spread

the snowball effect

of tapping 1/2 elites

and then smiting

is surreal

[cloud heron]

The problem is that you know exactly what you're coming into because 2/3 of the game's threats are just barely present. So everyone taking the tools to properly address that last 1/3 threat just makes sense. Killing is better than CC, and you're able to specialize very heavily here

[kindred ivy]

most weapons kill 1 at a time

smite stuns the arena

[severe folio]

you gonna want to kill more than 1 at a time

and there are weapons that kill more than 1 at a time

[cloud heron]

But we aren't taking a random sample of weapons. We're purposefully excluding the guns that don't kill fast enough because we know going into it that that we need to kill armored enemies in bulk very quickly

[kindred ivy]

my stats on that game speak for themselves, i stunned 400 enemies, total 6.3 time.s

thats a lot

[severe folio]

thats not a very good way to read that stat

how many did you actually kill compare to your teammate

[kindred ivy]

lemme get number

also, kills =/= value

[severe folio]

kill = value

[kindred ivy]

yeah

wrong

lmao

[severe folio]

because they will keep coming and the only way to stop that is by killing them

[cloud heron]

there's immediate opportunity cost by your inability to switch focus while they're stunned

[kindred ivy]

thats the game

[cloud heron]

I mean, you said no one lost wounds, but that's two downs right there

[kindred ivy]

stims pretty sure

healed the corruption

we ended with no corruption

zealot had purity aura

[severe folio]

theres a guy rescued 3 time

[kindred ivy]

there are 4 stims

everyone doing everything and none does anything well

its a teamgame

take roles

i dealt dmg, pretty good. i made sure none could really get hit

[cloud heron]

But you can do everything well, because the scope of everything is so reduced here

[kindred ivy]

no

[severe folio]

well at that point thats not a talk about versatile tool thats a group coordination tool

[kindred ivy]

u cant

if u do something else u are not doing the first thing

its simple

stunning shotgunners lets zealot get in quick to kill them

stunning maulers and crushers that spawn right behind your team saves them

[cloud heron]

if you deal with things promptly then it becomes a rotation. The elites spawn, you kill them, everyone focuses on the twins.

[kindred ivy]

killing the horde and pushing it away clears the path on the parts between phases

[severe folio]

yeah but you arent killing the horde with smite

the horde is consist of a lot of scab

[kindred ivy]

you are

u really dont know the smite dmg

[severe folio]

you are not look at your scoreboard

you barely kill any elite and specials

[kindred ivy]

killed the same as the zealot

and if u look at special/disabler/ranged elite same as vet

the sum

the dmg was higher than the zealot

[severe folio]

you had 8 melee elite and 3 ranged elite

[kindred ivy]

we did the skip

[severe folio]

well thats because you are hitting a lot of enemies

but that doesnt mean its useful

[kindred ivy]

it is

breakpoints are reached faster

[severe folio]

they cant hit as much enemies as you but they can clear out enemies they can see much faster than your smite

[kindred ivy]

they cna kill them WAYYY quicker

cause of smite

[severe folio]

i doubt that

[kindred ivy]

enemies moving vs enemies not moving

[wheat acorn]

lmao

emperor blesses me

[severe folio]

you know the enemies thats moving means your teammate dont need to walkover to them to attack right ?

[kindred ivy]

or need to aim

ask @autumn gulch and @steel forum

how usefull was my smite

we did 1 attempt toguether

[severe folio]

again

thats a group coordination boon

[kindred ivy]

oh and @red cave

[severe folio]

not smite boon exclusively

[kindred ivy]

lel that cope

[severe folio]

its honesty

and think that your smite is going to do just as well in pub is cope

[kindred ivy]

me when the team does well because everyone played well

oh boy

[kindred ivy]

.

[severe folio]

well yeah, you gonna want everyone to do well in this twin fight

[severe folio]

dunno why you brought up an auric game in the twin fight discussion

[kindred ivy]

u said

i was not going to do pub well

it does

it des veyr wel

lif u mean pub hard mode twins

yeah no shit

[severe folio]

i dont think it will do well in a pub twin fight

[kindred ivy]

we did precomp

from here

[severe folio]

yeah thats why i said the group coordination is what makes all joint flow

[foggy tree]

Is the new chainsaw any good for psyker?

[kindred ivy]

yeah

ofc

that's the main part of the deal

[severe folio]

yeah

so its not a smite talk anymore at that point thats a group coordinate talk

[kindred ivy]

like ofc a shit smite psycher will do as shit as a purgatur psycher

ye ye. no team coordination is a must

everyone knew exatcly whate veyrone else was doing

and we were safe

[severe folio]

and in the case of a group coordination

smite or no smite

[kindred ivy]

yeah of

[red cave]

I'm vouching for the smite build, it unironically beats every other psyker build in every category except boss damage

[kindred ivy]

the smite is the tell

tool

a good psycher with other tools might do similar/better/worse

but in general this smite build i run has yet to let me down

[severe folio]

smite build will never let anyone down

[kindred ivy]

even vs a couple bosses revolver and MK4 and put out good dmg

[severe folio]

because its easy CC and people dont have to put effort into it

[kindred ivy]

yeah but i dont run any other form of warp/peril

look at my elite kills on that auric game

i make sure that i kill elites

[severe folio]

and because its so easy they dont know other CC like trauma that would do much better than smite

[kindred ivy]

onec u kill 1 eliet or 2 with revolver

everyone gets 6 stacks of flame

and the neerby elites and hordes gets set ablaze

and it cascades into +50 combos all teh time

every smite psycher ive seen uses a staff

which means they dont have enough peril to keep up

this build is a CC build, it just happens to also kill everything

[severe folio]

you might get better effect if you can have a trauma build

or a fire trauma

[kindred ivy]

not nearlly constant CC

between charging the staff

and the lower aoe

smite is failsafe

[severe folio]

play for failsafe always lead to victory

[kindred ivy]

yeah

i win

and i have fun

[severe folio]

but its redundant victory

[kindred ivy]

how so

its fun

[severe folio]

because it could have been faster

it could have been more effective

[kindred ivy]

not really

[severe folio]

Yes really

[kindred ivy]

the stun reaches a LOOOT longer

and doe sdoes the flame bounces

[severe folio]

it could have been faster

[kindred ivy]

if other options were faster/wayy faster faster at all, my team would have gottem more kills, or elite kills than me

and they dont

[severe folio]

why would your team gotten more kills than you if other options were faster ?

[kindred ivy]

it is faster

that =why i got more kilsl

[severe folio]

you got more kills in this build because you lock your enemies down to yourself

[kindred ivy]

if other options were faster, they ofc they would have done more!

[kindred ivy]

i lock the map

and i kill wiht revovler

everyone can kill stnunned enemies

[severe folio]

other option would be faster

meaning you gothrough the mission faster

and clear it faster

regardless of how your team killing

because you arent playing to protect them from their failure, or yours

this is what your smite build do, what it essentially turn from a mssion progression of Point A to B

it becomes a progress of Preventing error while moving from A to B

whereas what you should be doing is Moving from A to B while getting as little error as possible

[kindred ivy]

me when my build kills everything faster than everyone

but is somehow slower

[severe folio]

Well im sure you have tried other build as well

and if in the end te reason why you chose smite is because you fail less

[kindred ivy]

it kills fast, and everythign

[foggy tree]

Smite does kill things slowly but it kills much more at the same time

that balances out no?

[severe folio]

there wont be a universe where smite will kill faster than most other options

even with the creeping flame, perilious combo

[foggy tree]

I mean if he needs to kill things fast doesnt he have revolver for it?

[kindred ivy]

then why do i killl everything

faster than everyone

[foggy tree]

also saying that its an easier win doesnt change the fact that hes getting good consistant results with it lol

whats the argument there?

[severe folio]

the arguement is that it is redundant

whereas it could be more efficient to have a different tool

[foggy tree]

what part of this game isn't?

[foggy tree]

you slash and shoot things all game

is that not redundant?

[severe folio]

why would that be redundant ?

[kindred ivy]

how its that less efficient

how do i kill the shotgunner in front of me

[foggy tree]

shooting to kill things faster = doing more damage than necessary for speed

[kindred ivy]

but i kill the shotgunner faster than my teammates

how is my build slower

if it kills fater than them?

tap tap tap 3 shotgunners

thats 9 flames tacks

that will easelly murder everythign

[white wolf]

Savable?

[kindred ivy]

yeah

good stats

[severe folio]

i've already said what i need to say about smite

[kindred ivy]

as long as 2 blesses/perks are good

u are wrong

smite kills everything faster than purgatus

[urban sandal]

no way to tell if a weapon is bricked until purple

[severe folio]

if you only have your pesonal result as your mandate

[ornate hamlet]

Penetration is a bit low tbh and it already has a bad perk

[severe folio]

then theres no point in changing your mind or giving you an insight about the rest of it

[kindred ivy]

my results shows i kill everything fsagter than my team

including fucking voidstrike psychers

[severe folio]

that speak more about that voidstrike psyker than your smite

[red cave]

No actually

Smite is legit better

[kindred ivy]

every voidstirker player

or purgatus

or surge staff

[foggy tree]

what are you on about you're looking at the evidence and straight up ignoring it lmao

[kindred ivy]

or every other build

revolver sets up the smite perfectly

[severe folio]

i've already finish what i needed to say

[kindred ivy]

with entire hordes with 6 burn stacks + that

[foggy tree]

You've yet to give a solid argument

[spice veldt]

pub players

[severe folio]

im not particularly talking with you, so i dont really have to tell you about anything

[red cave]

Why can't pubs be a legit measure

"You solo queue'd so it doesn't count"

[spice veldt]

cuz pub players are pretty shit on average

[foggy tree]

then say it to him lmao

[severe folio]

i have already told him, i've said what i needed to say

[ornate hamlet]

Smite's damage is contributed by the fact smite spammers make hordes worse to kill with melee and ranged cleave weapons

With hordes being one of the easiest ways to farm damage

[spice veldt]

i've yet to meet a pub player who has outdamaged me in the last few months
i also have 2k hours lamayo

at least use a different argument than "i do better than pubs"

[ornate hamlet]

Smite spam damage is like me teleporting all elites with me on an obscure corner of the map and going "see, my team barely killed elites"

[bleak tulip]

😔

I wish it werent true

[spice veldt]

5 times killed

you know that's some good shit

[bleak tulip]

thats the first hishock I managed to beat in a few hours because pubs keep dying in the first zone of the new map

and I am not gigachad enough to carry a hishock myself

[severe folio]

well i didnt dare to go to the zone of, bad pub

because pub to me are still unpredictable

[foggy tree]

let me get this straight

[spice veldt]

usually some variety of unpredictably shit

[foggy tree]

yall argue that you cant compare damage to pubs because they're bad

yet you're too scared to play with pubs because you think they'll weigh you down

[spice veldt]

i do play pubs?

[bleak tulip]

I dunno what the argument is but I saw "pubs bad on average" and I agree lol

[foggy tree]

oop sorry

not you

[spice veldt]

o

[foggy tree]

the one guy

[spice veldt]

yeah i saw somebody use outperforming pubs when i opened chat and i leaped

[bleak tulip]

I also have yet to check someone's weapon and see them actually have good blessings

like every time I care to check

on a lv 200 or so

the blessings are shit

I dont get it

[kindred ivy]

then look at my elite kils

[kindred ivy]

.

[foggy tree]

Thoughts on shield ogryn being good or bad?

[ornate hamlet]

Damn, them's some shit pubs

[kindred ivy]

holy

every pub is shit then

[severe folio]

thats what arco said

thats what

they said

everyone of them

[red cave]

That's such a cope answer lmao

[kindred ivy]

i literally show

my smite doing everything good

and u guys go "no bad"

[foggy tree]

yall realize you guys are pubs too right

[kindred ivy]

lmao

[foggy tree]

lmao

[red cave]

lmao

[severe folio]

well

if you refuse to see it

theres no point in continue

[bleak tulip]

also re: pub voidpsyker
this is a lv 120 I played with like two matches ago

(he fucking died)

[kindred ivy]

"""""""""""""refuse to see"""""""""""""""""
me when i show score board where i do everything

kill elites, dmg, stuns, etc etc

[severe folio]

wont repeat

[spice veldt]

i'm not in the business of being overly prescriptive and saying the elongated phrase of "players that I quickplay with" and yaddi yadda

"pubs" gets the idea across

[foggy tree]

the point is

every single match being played

every pub is bad?

thats wild

[spice veldt]

not every

but on average it's pretty bad yeah

if I'm doing twice your damage with twice the time spent looking for mats, then I'd consider that performance pretty bad on a particular difficulty

[ornate hamlet]

Like, I'm a fan of posting good scoreboards and all, but how many matches have I actually played with a single loadout? And how many have I actually posted about it?

[lethal lagoon]

I'm not sure what the argument is here, but you just keep reposting 1 scoreboard of a pretty low total damage auric. I dunno what that can be evidence for.

[ornate hamlet]

I'm not gonna post one scoreboard of me playing with shit players and go "hell yeah, my knife is top tier"

[foggy tree]

but its not just one though?

I've seen quite a few scoreboard

[sick fractal]

remember when games were just about having fun?

[bleak tulip]

no

[kindred ivy]

fun is not allowed

[bleak tulip]

[sick fractal]

sadge

[idle marten]

pepper ridge farm remembers

[ornate hamlet]

Oh wow, another match where the smite psyker made hordes worse to kill

[lethal lagoon]

Better... but what's with the plasteel? You have 700k but no plasteel, where as the two 500k+ guys have all the plasteel. And all your damage is just on hordes.

[ornate hamlet]

Who'da thunk

[kindred ivy]

ignore the elites

ignore all the lites killed

yeah

[idle marten]

the next step on my Psyker Journey

[kindred ivy]

65 ranged elites

69 disablers

24 melee elites

yeah

"just hordes"

[ornate hamlet]

Yep, just hordes

[kindred ivy]

21K staggers

[ornate hamlet]

Oh no, not the stagger score

I'm out

[kindred ivy]

lmao

CC is good

[ornate hamlet]

Flexing stagger score is scraping the barrel

[kindred ivy]

look at the rest of the score

also i dnot really need/care for plasteel

i have enough

[ornate hamlet]

At that point it's "the creator of the mod told me I got a big number on something useless"

[kindred ivy]

holy

u thinkg CC is useless?

[ornate hamlet]

No?

I think flexing stagger score is stupid tho

[cloud heron]

Well at least you got warp nexus. Hadron wasn't completely ruthless.

[ornate hamlet]

You're not a good player for spamming staggers

No one is

[idle marten]

ikr least she was nice

[red cave]

You can't look at the number of elite/special/lesser kills and tell me it's not good, you're coping your ass off

[kindred ivy]

so kill elites, specials hordes, stuns, maintani high coherence

yeah not enough

look at the other players

[cloud heron]

Not sure if you were asking for advice, but I'd probably swap both perks for crit and flak and just leave run n gun as a dead slot

[kindred ivy]

if other builds are better

then uhh

[spice veldt]

i think smite is good

[kindred ivy]

why they arent?

smite is good

[spice veldt]

i just disagree with the argument you're using

[kindred ivy]

revovler is amazing

[idle marten]

yea was thinking the same

[spice veldt]

pub matches just aren't a reliable metric

[red cave]

What is then

[kindred ivy]

then what is a good metric?

lel

[spice veldt]

i don't know

[kindred ivy]

u do auric pubs, auric maelstrom pubs

[idle marten]

was either that or roll a new staff and get screwed over with Brunt

[kindred ivy]

its not a problem

[spice veldt]

but pub players certainly aren't them

[kindred ivy]

well

then who is a good metric

[bleak tulip]

smite can absolutely save your shit, people just tend to overuse it and not bring creeping flame to actually do damage while smiting

[kindred ivy]

i OFC do that , that + the elite kills makes more flame

[spice veldt]

just say that the weapon has pretty good wide area stun that you can whip out on demand and has a high target cap and if they don't believe then that's what it is

[kindred ivy]

and empowere psyonics

[bleak tulip]

you lost me

[red cave]

Empowered smite actually does a lot of damage and the amount of flames this build can generate add up to a lot of damage

[spice veldt]

no point in arguing any farther if the other person isn't a believer in the first place

[red cave]

WHEEZE

[bleak tulip]

EP smite is pretty meh imo

[kindred ivy]

smite does little DMG any , even a small liek 5 dps buff, is amazing

125% extra dmg

[bleak tulip]

if you bring EP youre probably gonna overuse your blitz

imo

[kindred ivy]

i do over my blits

a lot

[ornate hamlet]

You don't need to offer the magical solution to say something is not a good metric

[bleak tulip]

which works for ass ail I guess but not for smite

[kindred ivy]

it does work

[red cave]

"Overuse your blitz" the whole build is about being able to smite more

[cloud heron]

warp flurry is really good on purge but I'm not actually sure how much you'll notice it missing.

[kindred ivy]

the build focuses on not have nay other warp source

only smite

[bleak tulip]

I mean you do you, I just think thats bad

[ornate hamlet]

Smite spam will always be cancer until I can see people do something useful with it in my matches

[idle marten]

coming from a Surge Staff with it to a pruge staff without i felt it

[ornate hamlet]

Consistently, I mean

[kindred ivy]

i do that to karnak , i kill loads of elites, specials, hordes, shooters

and keep every enemy stunned

including the elites

[ornate hamlet]

The guy spamming it on hordes is likely to save my ass every now and then because a broken clock is right twice a day

[kindred ivy]

gunners etc etc

yeah "twice"
just happens that i killed most elites

specials

and keep those high priority targets immovable

os ppl can shoot

[ornate hamlet]

Which apparently no one did

[kindred ivy]

why dont they?

cause the build does dmg

after a vneting purge

[ornate hamlet]

Uh-huh

[kindred ivy]

u can whip out a revolver

and kill the elites

that will create a cascading effect of flames

on all the other elites

[ornate hamlet]

I thought smite was the good™ damage

[kindred ivy]

and they will die

[lethal lagoon]

Because they are collecting plasteel while you rush ahead and try to rack up kills super fast?

[kindred ivy]

RUSH?

[lethal lagoon]

To be clear, I'm aruging the scoreboard, I enjoy smite use

[kindred ivy]

am a SMITE PSYCHER

[ornate hamlet]

Jesus, I thought this whole thing was about smite being god-tier or something, but hearing "revolver" just made me tune off again

I use revolver to get most specials almost every pub match

[red cave]

You really are unreachable

[ornate hamlet]

And then for good measure, knife on the ranged elites

I almost reach the top on elites, but I'm unfortunately too busy flanking ranged enemies that other players don't

I am biased against smite and I don't think "smite is good damage because I kill shit with my revolver and fire shriek" is the way to pull me out of that

[sick fractal]

i just use smite because i have the most fun with it over BB and assail, dmg is ok but im using it for the CC

[kindred ivy]

ythe revovler sets a cascading motion

[red cave]

I'm just saying smite with the burn talents stacks up to a lot of damage

[kindred ivy]

with the flames

itsgreat!

[lethal lagoon]

Something nice about picking off a gunner in a group and lighting them all on fire

[kindred ivy]

yeah

and that snowballs

into other elites

[lethal lagoon]

When you catch a shotgunner group your team hasn't noticed yet 🔥

[kindred ivy]

its great

any , evne a 5dps biger dop on smite

is such a big deal

cause a +5 on the dot, is basicalyl like 10/20% extra dmg

[fresh reef]

this was auric maelstrom, apparently

chillest AM I've ever played

[kindred ivy]

haha good job!

[red cave]

That's a clean scoreboard layout, how do I get it

[kindred ivy]

mine lkooks like ass lmao

[untold widget]

😮

Siblings...

look at it

it's beautiful

[bleak tulip]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/241

[kindred ivy]

siblings, i have aquired a new catalyst for my warp powers

i call this technique bullet blast

it reqiures a phisical a phisical component to cast called "bullets"

its basically a assail that doesnt create peril (it consumes the phisical component intead) and can crit

it oneshots most things except muties, maulers and crushers (3 shots them usually)

[red cave]

[severe folio]

just got out of a Hi-auric

wityh smite and creeping flame

[kindred ivy]

huh, what weapons?

[severe folio]

revolver

[kindred ivy]

what blessings?

[severe folio]

handcannon surgical

[kindred ivy]

u did most dmg on most things

[severe folio]

yet didnt get the most kill

[kindred ivy]

did u vent fire?

[severe folio]

always

[kindred ivy]

gotta make sure to pop your revolver