psyker-class

[bleak tulip]

not for this fight

[azure bridge]

this is why i am happy to have 2 wounds as psyker

[olive ember]

depends on how much you go down tbh

[bleak tulip]

with randos you will probably lol

[olive ember]

on normal mode I did 2 wound psyker fine enough

[vast yew]

I would recommend 2 wounds because you get maximum corruption cleansing from Middle-aura Zealot and Field Imp. Vets

[bleak tulip]

yeah normal isnt the problem

[azure bridge]

for every time i've fought the twins, hardmode or otherwise, i am the last person down, kinetic deflection and stamina ftw

[plucky flax]

I did it as martyrdom zealot.

[bleak tulip]

I did normal with 2 as well

[olive ember]

Middle aura zealot is pretty stronk

apparently for the fight

which makes sense

creates room and toughness regen on demand

[bleak tulip]

I gotta get a slot on that guys team

[plucky flax]

I played loner chorus martyrdom zealot.

[vast yew]

Careful he'll corrupt you into being a Blaze Trauma main

[plucky flax]

Scuffed build but I did it.

[bleak tulip]

no I dont mean agent

[vast yew]

oof

[bleak tulip]

the guy he played with

I mean I'd play with agent

[plucky flax]

I did the most damage to the twins.

[bleak tulip]

works for me

[plucky flax]

So.. Pretty sure I carried the hardest.

[sullen bobcat]

I had a knife zealot on my team to cover bombs 🙂

[vast yew]

My Martyrdom Heavy Sword 9 Zealot is looking at her options for this fight

and not liking them

time to build some new weapons

[olive ember]

[plucky flax]

It was basically 2 people that hit twins. The other 2 were kinda chilling

[vast yew]

think I have an Ironhelm sitting around somewhere

[olive ember]

lmao I didn't even realize the twins were carapace head until today, which helps explain why my marty zealot wasn't doing shit to em cuz he uses an hsword

[vast yew]

yeah Hsword tickles them

[fading depot]

ForTheMaster is a cool name

[vast yew]

need something with a bit more pen for this fight

[plucky flax]

That's me when my zealot shouts "FOR DA MASTAH OF MANKIND!"

But it's too long.

So it becomes just ForTheMaster.

[vast yew]

my Zealot shouts "Blood for the Emperor, Skulls for the Golden Throne!"

she's very loyal

[olive ember]

mfw 3 flamers

lmao

[fading depot]

A TOUCH OF HEALING. TOO MUCH, DULLS MY FERVOR.

[vast yew]

swap to Purg staff so they can't flame you when you lose

[plucky flax]

Flamers gud against ragers and maulers packs.

[fading depot]

Male agi zealot and male Loose cannon vet are my favorite voices

[olive ember]

how good would purge be in this mission

[fading depot]

Big fan of male savant and bodyguard ogryn too

[olive ember]

I guess decent until crushers show up

[fading depot]

Eh

[vast yew]

Female Fanatic Zealot 4 life

[echo island]

slippery slope down the Khorne worshipper rabbithole

[fading depot]

I really like the female judge zealot

[vast yew]

hey it was Big E's warcry first, Khorne stole it

[plucky flax]

Anything is good as long as one can survive.

[fading depot]

Male judge zealot is just the gigachad voice

[hot zephyr]

Of course it's slippery. have you tried walking through the blood pools of slain enemies? That stuff might as well be lubricant!

[fading depot]

Not one face in the game matches it

[vast yew]

(I don't know if Khorne actually stole it but that's the excuse my Zealot makes)

Also Death Cult Assassin cosmetics/weapons for Zealot when

[echo island]

no wonder the Zealots on my team always be trippin'

[vast yew]

New patch: they're adding the trip mechanic from SSB Brawl to Darktide

whenever you press sprint or dodge there's a 1% chance you trip

[echo island]

the chance increase the longer you sprint

[hot zephyr]

If they include a time-slow animation lock and a benny hill sound track I'm down.

[vast yew]

Make it also apply to Ragers and Crushers and I'm good

[faint sigil]

hey i havent played for a couple patches, whats good, whats fun, and whats meta

[vast yew]

Good: Pretty much everything
Fun: Also pretty much everything
Meta: Voidstrike, Blaze Trauma, Surge/Purge, Gunker. In roughly that order. Which is pretty much everything

[olive ember]

surge/purge meta is

[vast yew]

Psyker's in a good spot

[olive ember]

uh

questionable

as is gunker

[vast yew]

That's why I said in roughly that order

[open pike]

After fuckin up hard yesterday got those Twins on Damnation today, not on hard mode but I'm satisfied

[olive ember]

you can run wte the fuck you want yeah

[vast yew]

Void/Blaze Trauma are top-tier, Surge and Purge a step below that, then Gunker

[olive ember]

gunker is a specialized boss damage build basically

and other things tbh

just shoot things and they die

kekw

[vast yew]

Gunker is for hearing the 2 Plasma Vets in your party's wails as you steal all the ammo

[faint sigil]

[vast yew]

But yeah if you strictly want the S-tier builds, that's Voidstrike and Blaze Trauma

but you can run all sorts of stuff

[fading depot]

A good gunker will outdamage them anyways

[faint sigil]

what was the end result of surge rebalancing? it was cracked as shit

[glossy ember]

it's good now

[fading depot]

Surge was rebalanced?

[vast yew]

Well it had 125% extra damage, which was busted

[glossy ember]

better than non EP surge in patch 14

[olive ember]

EP nerf

and then the hitzone bug

[vast yew]

then it targeted random body parts, which sucked

[fading depot]

Oh that was a bug

[vast yew]

now it's fine

[olive ember]

well not EP nerf EP bugfix but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fading depot]

It was just fixed

[olive ember]

its

[faint sigil]

yeah last i played it had the 125%

[olive ember]

it works

I guess

some people love it

[fading depot]

It's good still

[olive ember]

I want it to be buffed smh

[vast yew]

@glossy ember here is our Surge Staf connoiseur

[olive ember]

75% damage buff reee

[vast yew]

You can two-shot all Ragers and Maulers with the right setup

so it works prety well

[olive ember]

its a worse revolver that doesn't have reload time

thats surge staff

[vast yew]

bit limited in scope compared to Void/Trauma, hence it's lower rating

[fading depot]

I use it on my smite psyker though I want to try swapping it out for Void

[vast yew]

And you don't have to aim, infinite ammo, and it stuns things

[olive ember]

I mean it stun 2 things, revolver aim is a meme

[glossy ember]

is good zap stick

[olive ember]

and ammo isn't that big of a problem unless you have bad team

[untold widget]

I think it's 3, but yeah

[olive ember]

2

3 was with bug

[glossy ember]

it's not like you need to stun more than 2 things anyway. or 1 thing

[faint sigil]

guess im back to the trauma mines

[vast yew]

the bigger point is that it 2-shots all non-Ogryn Elites

[hot zephyr]

I think I've arrived at the next version to test of my Assail/Gunker weaving + bubble build.
Idea is you play a Columnus with True Aim to stack up Perfect Timing and Malific Momentum, hopefully get some special kills to trigger EP, swap to Assail and RMB your free EP throws, then dump a few LMBs to rebuild peril for warp rider and swap back to gun. It's a pretty mechanical damage rotation but it's fairly safe to do it from inside the bubble if your front line is doing a good job.

[olive ember]

it should be one shotting everything man sized except maybe need a crit ragers and maulers should be 2 shot

meanwhile current surge staff can't even one shot a dreg gunner

[vast yew]

it can one-shot Ragers on Crit

[olive ember]

then thats fine, I guess

too bad it can't one shot dreg gunners without crit

or pox hounds for that matter

[vast yew]

pox hounds have ranged DR IIRC

[olive ember]

basically give surge a 50-75% damage buff and I happy

😄

[vast yew]

or maybe it's just a big hp pool and melee weakness

if they gave Surge a 50% damage buff it'd be absurd

[olive ember]

it really wouldn't

[vast yew]

I'd settle for them just making the damage consistent instead of the current RNG rolls we have

[olive ember]

it still needed two charges to kill a crusher with 125% damage buff

[vast yew]

yeah, and a weapon that doesn't have to aim or have ammo shouldn't be doing that

[olive ember]

a 50% damage buff wouldn't affect anything except maybe not needing to double crit and jump through 5 hoops to 2 shot a crusher

you guys really overestimate the value of not aiming

like

it really isn't that hard

[vast yew]

it's not hard, but it takes up mental headspace

[vocal iron]

is tht why it feels bad? i use surge and try and stack crit but it does feel like playing crit lotto

[olive ember]

its rng on top of rng

[vocal iron]

yeah 😢

[glossy ember]

(with scrier)

[olive ember]

its a single target damage staff that isn't even that good at single target smdh

[tulip trench]

this worth picking up?

[olive ember]

its a tacaxe so probably not

[tulip trench]

taxe on psyker ive never done

[vast yew]

yeah a min-damage roll that crits can do less damage than a non-crit max damage roll

[olive ember]

also two t3 blessings and two bleh perks so you aint min maxing that no matter what

[vast yew]

if that's from Melk I'd save my money

[olive ember]

so I wouldn'lt

[tulip trench]

kk ty

[olive ember]

bruh

[tulip trench]

melk only serves me hot trash

[vast yew]

Don't do it Slurpee he's a madman

he can't be stopped

[glossy ember]

what

[vast yew]

he runs it with Warp Siphon too

[glossy ember]

you can get a 2k crit on ragers with surge staff that way

so bis

[vast yew]

If they actually ever fix Warp Siphon to apply to Scrier's you're gonna be ahead of the game with that newage Meta

[olive ember]

I just hate scriers in general

lmao

[vast yew]

anyways it's not difficult to top-damage with a Surge build so it's fine; less good than Voidstrike of course, but Voidstrike on Auric missions can be stressful. Surge is much more relaxing

just spray lightning and assail darts at stuff

does IMO need Creeping Flames and Perilous Combustion to help deal with horde clear

but as Booden can attest, there are different schools of thought

[hot zephyr]

I run a Rashad and even I think tactical axes are quite bad

[glossy ember]

it's really not that bad with the 20% peril reduction node

[vast yew]

I mean Rashad is a Combat Axe, so a bit different

Scrier's Staff is weird because you generate Peril faster but you can quell to keep it going longer

Booden makes it work though so

I'm not brave enough for it

[hot zephyr]

Yeah combat vs tactical. I feel tactical just doesn't do anything a combat knife or combat axe doesn't do better. It doesn't have a niche

[vast yew]

I think it had some niche before the Mk6 dagger dropped

but it really loses to Duelling Swords

there is not a single thing Taxes do better than a DS4

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I mean DS4 is a whole different category

[tulip trench]

what about DS vs CA?

for single target

with surge + smite?

[glossy ember]

insert scrier clip here

[vast yew]

I mean DS4 with Uncanny can't be beat for single target

Caxe's have better horde clear though

Rashad with Decimator and Brutal Momentum can chew hordes decently

[hot zephyr]

I agree mk6 knife is a great addition to our weapon pool. I've been running mk6 on my purge build as a mobility stick and it's great

[glossy ember]

i gotta try out rashad

i still haven't given it a fair go

and i got a really good one

[vast yew]

yeah Mk 6 Knife, Illisi, Deimos, and DS4 are the top weapons with Rashad a bit below

[tulip trench]

thats the biggest allure of DS4. The movement speed

[hot zephyr]

Don't make me post my rashad again. It's so pretty

[vast yew]

then you've got stuff like Devil's Claws and Chainswords that are technically outclassed but still perfectly servicable

[hot zephyr]

Actually I picked up a nice rolled mark 13 chainsword the other day

[glossy ember]

[hot zephyr]

Once I'm finishing fixing up my curios to modern meta I gotta bless it up and try it out.

[vast yew]

Then below all those weapons you've got the Taxe Mk2, which works but has some issues

and then the Taxe Mk4 and 7 are down at the bottom

[glossy ember]

oh wait that's not a rashad I got, that's an antax

[vast yew]

I mean Antax still works; it's a bit worse because no Attack Speed from Finesse stat

so the Heavies are noticeably slower

but it has the funny poke special instead of the uppercut

[glossy ember]

yeah i just need to learn how to play it

[vast yew]

spam lights at hordes and Maniacs

spam heavies at anything else

[plucky flax]

Is it better than this? Mine is mid.

Not 25% maniac.

[vast yew]

Also not Decimator 4

but that's still real good

[plucky flax]

I wanted headtaker over decimator.

Old decimator was so much better.

Now it goes up 1 stack each swing.

[vast yew]

Headtaker is comfier because you can miss an attack without dropping

But Decimator is a 50% power boost instead of 25%

[plucky flax]

Old decimator was 50% power at 5 stacks. And each enemy hit count as 1 stack.

So you could get 5 stacks in 1 swing.

[hot zephyr]

#psyker-class message

[vast yew]

so deci wins out, though I can respect Headtaker if you don't want to bother with misses

well yeah old Deci was dumb lol

[glossy ember]

dam

[hot zephyr]

I respect that, either is good tbh. You need one or the other tho.

[plucky flax]

I used to play pre 13 with headtaker decimator on zealot.

75% power.

But since this 10 stacks decimator change it doesn't feel good anymore.

Too long to stack up to full.

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I don't worry about stacking it. Once you get 2-3 stacks on it the +power is high enough the special attack becomes useful to stagger certain enemies

A few decimator/headtaker stacks really helps hit a lot of key breakpoints on it

[vast yew]

it's mostly helpful for monsters

since you can just sit on them and attack

but it's also more useful on Zealots who can buff the attack speed by 30%

[terse shore]

anyone needs the monstronum penance by anychance

[vast yew]

on Psyker... I might want Headtaker too

[hot zephyr]

Like i said eariler, it's not about the DPS for me. It's just easy to use. There's enough complex stuff going on in your head sometimes (especially since I'm learning assail weaving builds right now) that a simple melee weapon is what I like right now

[ionic needle]

So what do I do to the left one to make it even half as awesome as the right one?

[brazen rampart]

you dont.

[ionic needle]

God damn it

I kinda knew it

It's like the second 380 I've gotten in over a year, so I wanted to use it

[brazen rampart]

most you could do is put shred over rampage and change unarmored damage to a different damage type

[hot zephyr]

Fix the perks, rampage isn't as great as shred but the base stats are much better.

Rampage is perfectly good tho

[vast yew]

I mean you can just put the perks to Unyielding/Maniacs and call it a day

I use an Uncanny 3/Rampage 4 MK4 and it works fine

[snow coral]

Man, I'm having the hardest time with the twins on damnation. I think all the people who don't play damnation are trying to play it for the penance. lobbies have been trash more often than they aren't since the update.

[vast yew]

I'd like to have Shred instead but what can you do

[ionic needle]

I really enjoy shred on it though

[brazen rampart]

you still get the mats when you lose the special assignment right?

[vast yew]

don't worry Auric lobbies were scuffed as hell yesterday becauase all the good players were running the new match in pre-builts for hard mode

[ionic needle]

Let's see what Hadron does to this one

[snow coral]

Yeah I'm going to have to just get in a dedicated group in one of the vox channels, I think

[brazen rampart]

she will break it in half over her knee

[snow coral]

I probably need to tweak my loadout a bit too.

[brazen rampart]

t1 blessing and damage vs pox hounds be upon ye

[snow coral]

Curios for corruption resistance, toughness, etc

[ionic needle]

Holy shit guys

[snow coral]

Yesterday half the team DIED during the first ambush.... like... you probably shouldn't be running this level if that's gonna happen to you, lol

[ionic needle]

She actually came through

[brazen rampart]

LETS GOOOOOOOOO

[snow coral]

nice

[brazen rampart]

now if only I could get weapons with good stats to drop for me

I bought a mk4 from brunt earlier today with 37% damage

[ionic needle]

I guess just reroll the perks here? Shred 3 is good enough

[vast yew]

yessir

[brazen rampart]

yeah

[vast yew]

Unyielding/Manics and you're cooking

[brazen rampart]

bro is gonna tickle a rager and he will instantly die

[ionic needle]

I like carapace more so I'll go for that instead of unyielding, but yeah

[vast yew]

I mean with full Uncanny stacks you 3-shot Crushers regardless

I don't think the 25% cara changes it

[brazen rampart]

unyielding good for bulwarks and if you get close, reapers

[ionic needle]

Hm, yeah maybe

[vast yew]

but it'll help while you ramp up

[brazen rampart]

and carapace is only on 2 enemies

[vast yew]

4 with the twins now

[brazen rampart]

well that's if you go fight them

[ionic needle]

Yeah but I usually just surge bulwarks and reapers

[brazen rampart]

in which case he can just change to carapace

anywho

bosses are considered unyielding afaik

[vast yew]

Unyielding is mostly for bosses yeah

[brazen rampart]

like beasts and whatnot

[vast yew]

stab a Beast in the back for 2k damage crits

[ionic needle]

That does sound like fun though

I'll try it out

[brazen rampart]

so imo it's a toss up between boss sniping with unyielding or flak to make poking enemies a little easier

[ionic needle]

With maniac I'm gonna make muties fly

[brazen rampart]

everything short of that should die in one hit

[vast yew]

Honestly DS4 is kinda easy to build; the only 2 things that are like 100% mandatory are Uncanny 3/4 and 25% Maniaccs

the other perk is at best extra damage vs. bosses, which is nice but not really that necessary, and the other blessing is either 20% crit, 36% power vs. Hordes, or 20% crit but harder to activate

[ionic needle]

All my builds broke now when I threw away the other one haha

[vast yew]

Also lemme guess: Gunker, Surge, Purg, Blaze Trauma, Voidstrike?

or is Void first

[ionic needle]

Yepp, void first gunker last

[vast yew]

nice

[ionic needle]

Otherwise 100%

[vast yew]

it's the same symbols I use, but I don't have a Gunker build

so I use the crosshairs for void

if I ever roll a Columnus above 330 I'll probably swap the crosshairs to gunker

[vocal cliff]

Forgot I had this, what should I put on perk wise?

[ionic needle]

Sir, that's french

[vast yew]

that's Flurry Rending right

if so you 100% Want Flak

[vocal cliff]

Ok

And yes it is

[brazen rampart]

French jumpscare

[vast yew]

second perk maniacs or carapace I guess

[brazen rampart]

don't give me flashbacks to highschool smh

[vast yew]

oh wait you have a blessing changed

what's the perks

[vocal cliff]

Cara and Crit chance

[vast yew]

Crit chance -> Flak

done

[vocal cliff]

Perfect

Thanks

[vast yew]

[echo island]

Im starting to think this whole Trauma blaze thing aint worth it

[vast yew]

it's a hell of a weapon but hell to grind

[echo island]

Its a great build but not so good with randos in pub

[ionic needle]

It's also not fun

[echo island]

Pur with BB feels much better imo

[vast yew]

it should work pretty well in pubs but it takes a lot of practice to keep yourself safe

Quell-canceling tech also helps make up for no Warp Flurry

[echo island]

learning this the hardway

so much easier to just spam purg left click and stagger everything

[vast yew]

the biggest problems with it is the hours you have to put into it to be able to flick-aim the epicenter

I still suck at it a lot

but when you're hitting those shots, you're invincible

[echo island]

it fucks with my game senses cuz RMB will be blocked by an object but not by an enemy

Idk that shit just doesnt register with me

[vast yew]

yeah takes practice

it's why if I want to relax I play Surge or Purg instead

maybe Voidstrike

[echo island]

Funny thing is

Ive been grinding surge on voidstrike since last week

wasted like thousands of plasteel and none had surge

first trauma staff I have got surge on it

[vast yew]

F

[icy wyvern]

I’m telling you man the blues are the way to go

[vast yew]

I got mine from a blue

[echo island]

Fatshark is just fucking with me at this point

[echo island]

yeah been trying that as well

none showed up

[vast yew]

wait no I lied mine was from a gold lol

[icy wyvern]

Pumping golds take so much plasteel I can’t imagine it’s worth it for the increased % chance

[echo island]

I did both

[icy wyvern]

I’ll die on this hill

[echo island]

to blue, some if they got good stat I push to gold

I mean I tried both so

[vast yew]

I rolled Warp Nexus 3 and yolo'd it and got Surge

[icy wyvern]

Yeah anything 370+ with a decent damage number I bump to gold

[echo island]

If I see another t4 terrifying barrge 😄 🔫

[vast yew]

not the smartest of moves but it was a really nice roll so I was like "eh screw it"

[icy wyvern]

Anything else is blessing food

If you have over 100 plasteel left at the end of the night

You are not grinding

You are hoarding.

[vast yew]

this is unfortunately the only screenshot I have of it (the perks have been swapped out): https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1165437263119929355/1173804144738435082/image.png?ex=658a334c&is=6577be4c&hm=9152ebb2ab7195a8ad256024d2d380a39cac70976ab891fd2b06da2c077897c7&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=417&height=616

[echo island]

last night I had 17 before going to sleep

held back my tears a bit let me tell ya

[icy wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/huzzah-a-man-of-quality-the-toad-susansole-flushed-away-gif-21107963

We on that grind brother

[echo island]

anways back to assail scriers gaze

its such a fun build to play

[icy wyvern]

Surge is pretty cool but it’s not jawdropping

When it pops, wowee, but only when

That’s why I like brittle trauma, it’s consistent

And yeah you can use true aim to get guaranteed crits and you can have increased crit chance from the tree and perks but

It’s still a chance

[pseudo basin]

I feel like a lot of psyker builds are only good if your teammates are good

[icy wyvern]

Well, yeah

[pseudo basin]

I keep going back to assail + heavy laspistol because you don't need teammates to do their jobs

[icy wyvern]

Solo builds are a class of their own

[pseudo basin]

I need a good revolver

I know they're better than the laspistol

[icy wyvern]

Mfw the revolver/knife main runs off on their own and gets downed

Sorry, sorry, revolver/dueling sword

[pseudo basin]

I usually go force sword for horde clearing

[echo island]

last time I had 2 knife zealots on my team it was the weirdest game. Both of them spedrun to the next elevator, leaving me and the bot to deal with everything

[icy wyvern]

I love the build, I do. Just hate the people that use it.

[echo island]

finnished the game at like barely 20 mins, but I was at the rev totem 90% of the time

Much fun indeed

[radiant yew]

Have you tried putting everything into soulblaze and watching some rando with a lucius ignore the armored targets in favor of trying to horde clear with it

[icy wyvern]

Mk1 bayonet go brrr

[pseudo basin]

Yeah I was trying to play with the flamer staff + brain burst and it was just teammates trying to kill-steal lol

[echo island]

this is why you hold down RMB with BB

switch target anytime

[radiant yew]

Like please sir let me do the horde clear because if I don't keep warp batteries up I am not going to make it to the next checkpoint without exploding

[icy wyvern]

Confucius say: if your kill can be stolen, it was not yours

[radiant yew]

Confucius uses a lucius to hit targets I have marked for BB.

[echo island]

is you hold RMB you steal their kill instead 🧠

[icy wyvern]

Easier to see them, their heads are glowing.

[radiant yew]

But you know they're going to die soon yknow

[icy wyvern]

Oh I know, and you know

[radiant yew]

I hate veterans with a passion

[untold widget]

pugging hard mode twins is hard

[radiant yew]

Zealots tend to be the ones who work with me tbh

[echo island]

last game I had with 3 vet was rough

[untold widget]

not doing hard mode twins, but getting pugs to ring the bell

[brazen rampart]

zealouts be like "I can't make it there with melee before BB kills it so it's not my problem"

[radiant yew]

I would do hardmode twins only if I had a group of lvl 100 somethings

[proud mantle]

man one day i'll see a good psyker cosmetic

[radiant yew]

Dudes that speedrun Auric damn for fun

[brazen rampart]

just do your penances and wear that drip

[untold widget]

I'd do it just fine, it's not that much more difficult than regular

its just fun

and fast

and doing it normally takes 20 minutes and is pointless

[untold widget]

Those terrible psyker cosmetics

don't mind me, just another sniper

[proud mantle]

that torso is the only one that's different and good

the paid ones have been consistently unoriginal or bad

[clear heath]

I like the cape

wish it was in a different color though

[sudden valve]

I wish you could change clothing color

[clear heath]

same

but like most of the cosmetics in this game are recolors

so it'll never happen

too many skins would have no reason to exist

[pseudo basin]

Ok, I am just going to go back to a "carry pubs" build lol

[terse shore]

there's a great skin from that one penance called malleus monstronum trust me bro

[hasty breach]

so.... is it not possible to build stacks of disrupt destiny in the psykanium

[unkempt parcel]

Good psyker cosmetic waiting room
Still using the launch penances set

[hasty breach]

yea all the psyker outfits are totally tubular

dude

[echo island]

playing purgatus is so chill
Like
Spam lmb spam rmb, bb when u cant reach

dodge left dodge right, too close pull out force sword

[spice veldt]

you'll have to turn off invisibility for enemies to get marked

once you have max stacks, you can leave a marked enemy alive, turn on invisibility, and just stagger/push them to refresh the timer on your stacks

[terse shore]

i wish, i can't find people for the boss penance

[echo island]

btw whats the best melee weapon for trauma blaze

Im using Forcesword V but feel like DS might be better?

[hasty breach]

is that setting somewhere?

[unkempt parcel]

I solo'd mine back at launch just got 3 randos into a lobby and a kited a doggo around the start of the logistratum

[spice veldt]

oh oops if you're playing unmodded without the creature spawner mod, then you won't be able to do that

[echo island]

does weak spot damage perk work on the surge staff?

[clear heath]

no

well unless you left click

or staff bonk

but weak spot damage perk is bad anyways

damage formula for weak spot damage makes it trash

[echo island]

gonna play with the sruge for now

dont feel like aiming

[glossy ember]

based

[patent wing]

Rending Shockwave: Actually gives 2.5% Brittleness per stack, not 5%.

is this still true?

[icy wyvern]

Omnissiah bless the spreadsheet warriors

[errant pawn]

Anyone got any boss killer builds for the new lvl?

[languid tusk]

sooooooooooo what psyker build do you play in twins ?

yolo psyker with assail ?

[next turret]

changing that stat to flak was the best call

thanks!

[pseudo basin]

Does Kinetic Flayer braib burst have a 15 second cooldown per enemy, or global 15 second cooldown?

[lethal lagoon]

global, it's largely a wasted point.

It can feel useful in some situations, mostly because it's so otherwise useless you realllllly notice when it's useful.

[pseudo basin]

Yeah that seems totally useless. 99% uptime on brain bursting poxwalkers

[lethal lagoon]

I don't get why it's not elite/specialist only.

[astral whale]

oh those new outfits… they really hate psykers don’t they 😭😂

[echo island]

another day, another 2.5k plasteel wasted and no surge blessing on voidstrike

😄 🔫

fuck this game, going back to freelance work

[strong gulch]

Cool. Got disruption carnival 4 times in a row.

[languid osprey]

siblings! i just got my hard mode clear with gun psyker fairly ez with some good randoms emperor protects!

Columnus V for the win

[next turret]

is unstable power 4 a bllessing i should have?

[lyric atlas]

any suggestions on how to improve? Im feeling quite gimp these days. BrainBurst build:

[quasi junco]

this event is anti psyker

dont know why any1 would take one into this mess

[lyric atlas]

ROFL

what makes it anti psyker

[quartz barn]

elite management

[lyric atlas]

isnt that what we do best

[quasi junco]

i literally kited around the sister for ages while my team did nothing but die to the trash and the brother

[quartz barn]

also its literally just a survivability check

[quasi junco]

kinetic deflector ftw

[quartz barn]

also ye this mission just points out that most people suck

even more than normal xd

[quasi junco]

i should probably take my deimos with deflector talent imo

blessing i mean

[long wharf]

how does one turn off hard mode?

[harsh urchin]

hate to tell you

but hard mode is off by default

[quasi junco]

ringing the bell at the entrance turns off hard mode

[long wharf]

does everyone have to ring it?

[quasi junco]

i was kidding, it turns on hard mode

and everyone has to ring it

[long wharf]

hard mode defaults to on once you ring all the bells

[quasi junco]

i just did it, and it seems impossible without a premade and coms

[wanton sandal]

just beat hardmode twins, DAMN that was tough

[quasi junco]

tried hard mode*

[wanton sandal]

yeah, it's pretty impossible with a pub not communicating

first try with a premade, we got rodin down to 25% health

never got that close in other games

[meager trail]

keep perks and swap blessings or just scrap

[harsh urchin]

good roll

keep perks and reroll both blessings

[meager trail]

u thinking deflect iv and sum else?

[wanton sandal]

how good is unstable power on swords?

[harsh urchin]

I would do slaught+uncanny

but up to you

[meager trail]

gotcha

does uncanny roll on illisi?

[idle aurora]

On all fswords

[somber dew]

Is the storm staff thingy still solid with Smite build?

[pseudo basin]

Are there any particularly good builds for the twins fight? I have been going brain burst empowered psionics to just try and kill a bunch of the ragers

[next turret]

which staff is the one that charges and fires straight?

[worn heron]

Freakz

[quasi junco]

Voidstaff

[worn heron]

Ur all Freakz..

[quasi junco]

It’s my favorite

[worn heron]

[next turret]

thanks

[dark spoke]

CIAGV?

[hasty breach]

yea nobody knows what that means

[fleet bear]

"Can I acquire gruel and vestitudes?"

[severe folio]

it could be the columnus mk5 infantry autogun

[fading depot]

better duel sword

[pseudo basin]

I have no idea what a CIAGV is

[violet oak]

i did it with a pub squad, without comms

I don't recommend it, but it was possible

Funny enough... they all had microphones at the end to be excited about winning

oops, hour old comment

didn't realize i was scrolled up

[errant pawn]

Second not knowing CIAGV

Central intelligence agency Grand vault?

[unkempt parcel]

did it with 2 pugs and 1 friend get a CC slave psyker with dome and rending shockwave honestly makes the fight much easier

[severe folio]

cc slave 😭

so it is the columnus iag

[spiral condor]

Best blessings on void/purg staffs?

[potent echo]

Purg: nexus/flurry
Void: nexus|flurry / surge

[lethal lagoon]

I gave up and just made a second psyker for melk rolls. Got it eventually.

The worst part about all the wasted plasteel is I still don't like using void 🥹

[pseudo basin]

brain burst honestly seems like trash compared to just using a revolver

[potent echo]

Yes they don't synergize

[viscid matrix]

Should try to get the devs to change brain rupture into Crush

Brain burst is fine as is

But the upgraded version should be crush, a damage over time channel, have it do 1k damage per second as it crushes them into pulp and explode the body when they die

[pseudo basin]

it literally just needs to do more damage. revolvers do everything brain burst does, except with way higher dps

[potent echo]

It doesn't need to be stronger than revolver

[pseudo basin]

Why have it in the game at all then

[long wharf]

you know what would make BB better?

if it did a sizable AOE that also applied soulblaze

[gaunt stone]

guys how does purge staff effect the new bosses

what damage type do they burn at?

[long wharf]

the twins are unarmored on the body

carapace heads

[gaunt stone]

so they burn as unarmored?

[long wharf]

I expect so

they burn from fire really well

[devout robin]

cd reduction affects assail right

im losing my mind

CIAGV

this makes sense but lmfao

[pseudo solstice]

How are burn dmg calculated on shields

[spiral condor]

In which case I am doing great barring the surge never got that blessing yet. Thank you.

[long wharf]

alright siblings, suffer with me

[spiral condor]

In a Similar place sibling!

[fresh reef]

melee maelstrom is pain

[long wharf]

shame it rolled a t4 blessing I don't have

[spiral condor]

RIP

[devout robin]

rip

[long wharf]

it can still be made usable

[grave tapir]

Is there a force sword that is clearly best or worse in general? Or are they all ok at doing their own things?

[spiral condor]

400K damage it sure is pain... For them Purg psyker?

[fresh reef]

I was using rending trauma

[long wharf]

not perfect, but usable

[spiral condor]

Illisi for wide sweeping, Deimos for single target, Blaze a good inbetween buit I prefer Deimos

[meager trail]

🙏

[unique barn]

damnation twins is pretty hard on psyker

[grave tapir]

Thanks

[spiral condor]

It is hard. Loved to put the gunner in a bubble while focusing down the melee. Assuming the melee wasnt focusing on me which case just blocking and getting a stab in.

[unique barn]

aye, just trying to stay alive and cross the field

[spiral condor]

Especially when your too caught up in CC and realize everyone else is gone

[unique barn]

<

easiest on zealot, then ogryn, i dont play ss really, just super hard on psyker (with same team comp)

[grave tapir]

timing is so crucial. Like leaving for the next vent area 0.5 seconds late is often damn near a death sentence

[unique barn]

yep

[spiral condor]

I hadnt tried it yet but saw someone talking about placing bubble between if your late

[violet oak]

just did a non-bell twin run, been carrying. But alas its pubs

[mossy sundial]

if i want to go after a meta psyker build, what is my best option?

[grave tapir]

And then it's like, avoid the big bois while all the elites swarm and try to stun them and hope your teammates have DPS.

[spiral condor]

Smite can hold them in place for the rest but need to kill the elites so zelot can do its thing

[violet oak]

Im normally a huge advocate for smite but even with pubs ive been shying away from its CC

I pop a bubble on rodin and go to town, just keeping him down and those mines cleared lets your team do their thing

assuming they dont all die to the first pox walker they see

[mossy sundial]

so smite isnt worth it rn?

even with voidstrike staff?

[devout robin]

smite's insanely strong and easy to use as a CC

to say it isn't worth it is a gross overstatement

its really a matter of if you find that its cc is worth it over other means of dealing with crowds and threats

[spiral condor]

Just very hard to justify in this case where you need damage so a good inbetween is purg staff

[devout robin]

its biggest issue is that it does like zero fucking damage without enhanced psy charges

[potent echo]

Even with enhanced charges it doesn't do damage

Take assail with void, void has good enough cc

[devout robin]

its immensely powerful crowd lockdown in exchange for hoping your teammates capitalize on it

i prefer purgatus or voidstrike with assail yeah

[potent echo]

Assail to counter spread out gunners and to do quickswapping

[devout robin]

namely because those are more substantial-feeling options for me to actively contribute instead of hold down M1 and wait for team to do work

[potent echo]

Also so you don't need to cope and run shield, take venting instead

[grave tapir]

And then like a good single target melee?

[potent echo]

Melee can be anything you want, I run deimos

[spiral condor]

Been building a new purg with assail build any recommendations on how to buff assail damage?

[drowsy kelp]

I'd say it really worth it with voidstrike since there is a talent that if you get 5 stacks of it guarantees your next ranged attack to be crit which smite easily gives you those stacks

[potent echo]

But I am comfortable with horde clear using Deimos

[devout robin]

realistically with mk 4 dueling sword you can run any staff / ability in a synergistic matter

[potent echo]

DD and malefic momentum

But with a purg you don't really want either

[devout robin]

purg with assail is redundant imo

[grave tapir]

does the "block ranged" blessing on force swords block the bosses shots

[devout robin]

if you wanted a long range option with purg then bb with enhanced psyonics is my preferred method

[spiral condor]

How do you handle elites or the tougher elites with purg?

[potent echo]

Yea purg BB has more synergies on the tree as well

You want alot of CDR and take venting creep

[devout robin]

purg, bb with EP, bubble

[potent echo]

Burn them

Or spam lmb

Lmb staggers all non ogryn elites

[devout robin]

purg shreds hordes, bb for particular elites at long range, otherwise b ubble to close gap

[potent echo]

Lmb also opens bulwark shield if you hit flesh

[spiral condor]

What I currently do now just hoping to build something for killing long range elites a bit quicker. Thank you though

[devout robin]

the issue with assail with purg is that purg is almost exclusively a horde weapon whereas the other staves are generalist enough or single-target focussed

[drowsy kelp]

left click staggers everything but crushers I think

[potent echo]

Purg can handle literally any situation in the game

[devout robin]

how does purg deal with crushers barring uncanny hotswap

[potent echo]

That

[devout robin]

well yeah but that's not purg that's purg + uncanny

[potent echo]

Wow

Bug nerf to purg, it's not like you can bring melee with purg since purg replaces your melee slot

Would have been cool though

[devout robin]

i mean yeah purg can deal with it with support

you're not wrong

it's just not accurate to say purg can deal with everything when it does need a specific blessing on a separate weapon

it's just ofrtunate it's one of the best perks on one of the best weapons psyker can have

[devout robin]

assail's going to be the best bet for something you can just fire and forget barring a columnus or something

it's pretty good for quick eliminations, you're just going to have to do specifically the rending hotswap purgatus or exclusively use the dueling sword to deal with carapace if you're not running uncanny strikes

[heady palm]

Left or right?

[unique barn]

left, run faster

[devout robin]

you're going to be one slot off of ideal on either but left has better stats and uncanny + rampage is good for one-shotting crushers in mixed crowds

[quick python]

sprint efficiency bis

[proven stirrup]

This salvagable? dunno what I want on it past the infernum

Well I mean I know I want dumdum or something but Idunno if I can make the perks work in place of it

[heady palm]

nice, I'll rip the uncanny strike to replace rampage and wait till i can roll a better one thanks

[unique barn]

😄

[devout robin]

infernus on the heavy one is questionable due to how much slower it is

but it's fine

[proven stirrup]

I mean it works well enough.

[devout robin]

between the eyes is great because it allows you to get those long-range snipes with less difficulty

dumdum + between is probably the ideal because you're probably not going to be getting much value out of infernus when you're going to be gunning down people in few shots anyway

[proven stirrup]

I swear to god everything I get ends up a concession

[devout robin]

i mean you do have one perk that's heavily recommended at max level

i'd just swap out infernus and sprint

but if you're fine with infernus for whatever reason you can stick with that and replace the two perks

[mossy sundial]

is psyker struggling in comparison to other classes this patch or is it just me

[proven stirrup]

I'm just gonna pull the infernus off an try again. Can't be fucked.

[devout robin]

aye

[potent echo]

Infernus doesn't seem to give any interesting BPs

[unique barn]

psyker is the greatest of buff/nerf classes since beta

[potent echo]

It's mainly for boss DPS

[mossy sundial]

then i am really misunderstanding what our meta builds are, i feel like im really lacking

[devout robin]

infernus is okay on crushers and maulers but it needs uncanny but at that point you can just

stab

[devout robin]

what meta build are you running

[drowsy kelp]

nah psyker usually requires a safer play style building yourself correctly more so than others classes

[mossy sundial]

im unoptimized but im using voidstaff smite and dome

[potent echo]

Ah, smite and dome

[devout robin]

where do you feel you are weakest

[mossy sundial]

in the fucking gas chamber with the twins

[potent echo]

Toss those and take assail and creeping

[drowsy kelp]

ah

[devout robin]

because smite and dome is support oriented. you will feel weak

[unique barn]

hah

[mossy sundial]

i cant smite the entire horde

[potent echo]

Gas chamber void is a struggle

[mossy sundial]

should i use my trauma?

[devout robin]

are you running the top bubble smite build on the build site

[potent echo]

You don't have space for it, take purg or trauma instead

[unique barn]

not all your job though

[mossy sundial]

on gamelantern?

[potent echo]

Bubble does literally nothing in the gas chamber

[devout robin]

yeah

[mossy sundial]

i think its very similar or identical

my weapons ARE unoptimized tho

plasteel is a grind

[devout robin]

as mentioned, smite is going to be purely cc and lockdown

[drowsy kelp]

what do you have on them

[devout robin]

if your team does not capitalize on smite

you will feel bad

[mossy sundial]

i see

is dome smite void my only option for meta?

[devout robin]

it's why it's called 'bubble smite support' instead of 'bubble smite horde cock shreddinator 9k'

[potent echo]

No way

[devout robin]

fuck no

[unique barn]

psyker in damnation twins is basically clearing and understanding position

[potent echo]

It's not even close to meta

It's just comfortable to play

[devout robin]

purgatus bb bubble, assail voidstrike bubble, gun psyker bb

you can mix and match

[mossy sundial]

is gun psyker actually good? i might wanna try that

[devout robin]

the point is to make sure your bases are covered

gun psyker is potent as hell

[potent echo]

Creeping flames is really really good

[devout robin]

just ammo hungry

have you asked yourself why that build is "meta"

admittedly the guy who wrote the guide didn't do the greatest dissection beyond a summary

which isn't bad but it leaves a lot to be desired

[unique barn]

the game has changed a lot in the last month too

[potent echo]

True

[mossy sundial]

What’s bb?

[unique barn]

horde clear is sort of irrelevant, given other classes

[devout robin]

you're going to see a lot of people preach what's good and meta when you will need an actual understanding of the meta and gamesense to capitalize

brain burst

[wheat tulip]

quick question, which is the better dueling sword?

[mossy sundial]

I guess while I am lvl 30 and I’ve been playing a while I still don’t have the resources to actually make meta builds work

[devout robin]

there is definitely a meta but it's not as rigid depending on what you're playing

mk iv is the most ran dueling sword for its generalist capabilities

[potent echo]

A major part of brain burst is the talent below that gives CDR

[devout robin]

horde clearing swings, controlling specials, single-targeting destroying heavies

[potent echo]

Without that BB isn't attractive of a pick at all

[mossy sundial]

is psyker atheneum to be trusted? good guide?

[devout robin]

yes

[wheat tulip]

great Ill try the 4 out and see if I like it, someone showed me a melee build which looks decent and thats the whole reason I left psyker, the melee felt bad

[devout robin]

it's pinned for a reason

[wheat tulip]

thanks

[potent echo]

Yes you should read that instead

[devout robin]

when you pick talents and make a build

you will want to be an all-rounder

[unique barn]

illisi is ok too for general horde

[potent echo]

Psyker has access to 2 really good melee weapons

[devout robin]

how do you deal with heavy hitters like carapace enemies / bosses while maintaining decent add clear

then also what is beyond that

[violet oak]

voidstrike

voidstrike fucks

[devout robin]

exactly

[wheat tulip]

they recomended dagger revolver but thats just zealot so Im going dueling flame staff

[proven stirrup]

With a specific blessing, sure

[spice veldt]

mk4 cuz it deals ~40% more damage than the other two duelling swords for no reason

[potent echo]

Voidstrike needs some space, and has abysmal boss dps, similar to other staves

[devout robin]

the bubble smite support is "meta" because any player with a team that isn't braindead and proper play willdeal with situations accordingly

[potent echo]

So your melee needs to pick up the slack for boss dps usually

[devout robin]

smite stops hordes, locks down huge threats, and lets the team have breathing room

[wheat tulip]

it feels like an intern was told to buff the dueling swords and got lazy and only buffed the one. or maybe it was nerfs and they forgot the 4

[devout robin]

bubble helps deal with ranged enemy hordes that would gun down someone out of place, as well as provide toughness regen which is always insanely good

[potent echo]

Either that or they over buffed the mkiv

[devout robin]

voidstrike and mk iv are ran for their ability to subsequently deal with carapace enemies where smite would falter

cover your bases and figure out what are your tools

running a deimos, a surge staff, and brain burst is going to feel like dog shit bec ause you barely have any horde clear

[wheat tulip]

thats why I stopped, dclaw was getting really really bad damage and bb was boring

[devout robin]

but simultaneously you will flop like a wet fish against bosses if you try to run something like illisi, purgatus, smite

it's also a matter of

'do i have fun running this'

[proven stirrup]

This is exhausting

[devout robin]

i hate bubble smite even if it's good because i feel like i do no damage in pugs

[mossy sundial]

so is surge voidstrike staff and mk4 dueling sword a good combo?

[devout robin]

yeah

mk4 and voidstrike are probably the two best weapons because they are so generally good at dealing with anything

[mossy sundial]

and if im taking void, assail is better than smite?

[devout robin]

that depends on what you wanna do

[mossy sundial]

hm

[devout robin]

why is assail better than smite in this case

why do you want assail

[wheat tulip]

nah its a scriers build that uses the damage buffs from peril and the movespeed buffs from crits and it looked really fun, assail to clear crowds so you dont have to worry about horde clear as much

[mossy sundial]

im thinking smite isnt being capitalized on enough by my teammates

[wheat tulip]

people hate smite psykers, taht alone is a reason to skip smite

[mossy sundial]

plus it just feels better to clear the ads rather than stun them and pray someone deals with em

[devout robin]

exactly

[mossy sundial]

it was kinda cool being palpatine

[tame venture]

So what's psyker's plan for boss damage? Aside from melees

[mossy sundial]

from what i hear gunker does crazy boss dmg

[devout robin]

so then you want assail which is good for elites and hordes at decent ranges

then mk 4 / voidstrike will fill the gap due to their exceptional singel target captabilities on most targets

[mossy sundial]

got it, so then venting shriek good for this build?

[unique barn]

crucis stealth zealot lol

[devout robin]

why do you want shriek

[wheat tulip]

all revolvers do crazy damage, when you get the 50% bonus damage from psyker trees it should do even crazier damage

[mossy sundial]

hmmm more uptime

[devout robin]

uptime isn't critical for voidstrike / assail because you generally pace yourself between shots imo

[tame venture]

Oh yeah, how's the fan-fire revolver fare for psyker?

[wheat tulip]

scriers gives 30% damage for 10 seconds after, 10% damage 20% crit and 20% move speed during

why would you take the other two

[mossy sundial]

so dome?

[wheat tulip]

voidstrike is crit dependent just kill everything and no one gets hurt

[unique barn]

psyker isn't the top dps anymore

[devout robin]

yeah dome is always objectively good

[wheat tulip]

thats martyr zealot yea

[unique barn]

ogryn, ss

[wheat tulip]

ogryn doesnt count

hes not in the same league

[unique barn]

😉

[wheat tulip]

besides I have better horde clear on my zealot than any ogryn can have

[unique barn]

ya

[devout robin]

i really only use vent on purgatus if i'm trying to be as offensive as possible and stack soulblaze

but really if i play seriously

it's bubble anyway

[unique barn]

psyker is kinda bottom tier again, sadly

[wheat tulip]

vet is still the worst, unless they run plasma in which case theyre the best beacuse the weapon is over powered

people still arent running keystones

[unique barn]

sorta

[wheat tulip]

and by people I mean Im not running keystones and lot of other people arent because why would you

[prime elk]

vet's pretty good now

so are the keystones

[spice veldt]

i always go left side and run finesse weapons so I run marksman

[devout robin]

prescribing worst is a slippery slope because each class packs some mean-ass shit

[spice veldt]

+75% finesse damage for my columnus iag

[unique barn]

vet is gear/blessing dependant, heavily

[devout robin]

extremely

though it packs some of the best talents

[wheat tulip]

the left most is just a worse disrupt destiny the middle is ok but not great it just nukes a target occasionally and the right is the only good one but only with plasma shotgun or revolver

[spice veldt]

the left is at least equivalent because the bonus is better at >5 focus stacks

[devout robin]

middle's really good, the extra damage is substantial and provides more toughness / damage if you keep chaining

[prime elk]

yup

[spice veldt]

you are severely understating marksman

[prime elk]

and right is great with any weapon

all the vet keystones are good

[unique barn]

vet support with plasma is fucking l33t

[prime elk]

it's just that when it first came out, it took too many points to reach th keystones

not an issue anymore

[unique barn]

for sure

[devout robin]

the only thing that's genuinely not really that powerful is smoke

[spice veldt]

the downside of marksman compared to DD is that you don't get this benefit on your melee as well

[wheat tulip]

Its a skill thing, and expecting your team mates to have skill when 30% of vets are on xbox is expecting alot. Im sure there are plenty of people that trash people with it but the point is if youre already good enough to use it effectivly you dont need it beacuse youre already going to carry

[devout robin]

also just. survivalist and regenning nades as perks are insanely powerful for your team

[spice veldt]

you don't need to be that good to make use of marksman

[devout robin]

^

[spice veldt]

it's just pacing your shots and being slightly more conscious of getting headshots

[devout robin]

columnus with stance firing into a horde is not hard

[spice veldt]

after a weakspot kill, you have 3 seconds of leeway to get another one

[wheat tulip]

you need to hit heads, Ive seen these people play when I inevitably get launched off a platform for an instant kill

[potent echo]

Marksman and columnus IAG

[wheat tulip]

which has happened 3 times today

[devout robin]

what weps

[spice veldt]

yeah, people aren't going to really hit heads since you can do very well without needing to do so

[potent echo]

The thing about marksman is I don't even care about losing stacks, just lose them

You build them back so fast

[spice veldt]

but that doesn't mean that marksman is bad just because a good amount of players don't want to subscribe to that playstyle

[devout robin]

marksman's best with anything that fires faster since there's no penalty to actually missing

despite the name

[spice veldt]

it's just like, shoot head for a bigger benefit whenever you shoot head (and crit)

[spice veldt]

and columnus having a 4-shot crit string 😎

[devout robin]

marksman is also not bad just because people are bad with it

[potent echo]

But also, marksman just gives more damage, which sometimes isn't even really that needed if your team is decent

You go keystoneless and pick up more survivability and utility, probably works better honestly

[wheat tulip]

the weapon spec is a melee keystone and the reason why vet is so strong in melee

[spice veldt]

i usually run shout + iron will, so I figure that my survivability is pretty good already

[wheat tulip]

but its not really worth it on most vet builds

shout is overpowered

[potent echo]

All you need is agile engagement

The most broken talent that no one is running

25% is an entire tier4 perk vs all enemies

[thorn cedar]

love agile

[potent echo]

It just requires you to hit Q every 5 seconds

It makes chainaxe, which has a mediocre horde clear, into an actual horde clear machine

[wheat tulip]

people run dclaw revolver with that and trash crushers and ragers with the two but I stopped using dclaw a while ago, I like rashed better

[tame venture]

Is the speed revolver good on gunker then?

[potent echo]

Speed revolver isn't that good on vet either

Esp since they can free reload the better revolver

[wheat tulip]

the new revolver is only good against bosses

[open pike]

Speed Revolver is fun as hell to use but the regular revolver is better

[potent echo]

Agreed

[tame venture]

I've heard it compared to a splash less bolter

[potent echo]

Bolter doesn't rely on crits to kill crushers

[hardy coral]

ill admit, the Karnak twins become a bit of a meme when you use Smite with a Devil claw. literally took no damage from the Twins but i took damage from the smoke.

[potent echo]

Its nice when your team carries when the elite wave comes

[tame venture]

How is smite useful, just for locking everything in place?

[devout robin]

yeah

[potent echo]

It's useful if you can't deal with the current situation

So you have smite and a prayer

[devout robin]

it locks everything in place is why it's strong

[hardy coral]

im mainly focused on CC and i do combine it with Soul Blaze to kill things over time so the more elites the more powerful it becomes, then Devil Claw saves me from close Quarters with perrying.

and the Surge stuff is for long range and Crushers.

[tame venture]

And I assume the devil's claw is for onaewamu shindero countering the anime lady right?

[wheat tulip]

turn it on for 1 second and 10 ragers are locked in place for everyone to kill, its when people hold smite for 5+ secodns people get upset because you could be killing too

[hardy coral]

ye, i just walk up to her and keep her company.

[wheat tulip]

yea you dont take any damage, you canbasically ignore them

[tame venture]

"no u"

For some reason I never can get the counter to work out in normal gameplay. Probably because other people get aggro or shoot the thing

[hardy coral]

i have noticed that if i focus on the hordes it lets my team focus on the Twins so it is a powerful set up, only issue is carapice enemies which i need to deal with using the Surge staff since Smite/SoulBlaze doesnt do enough to kill them.

[wheat tulip]

same I can solo 3 ragers in the meat grinder no damage but the moment other people come into the picture messing up things with staggers of their own it becomes impossible

[tame venture]

Yeah at that point I find it more safe and reliable just to shoot

Or keep attacking

[hardy coral]

if you dodge backwards it will force ragers that're in the center to move forward and hit you first, then you can counter them with Devil Claw.

that usually staggers the other Ragers.

i think the most ragers ive dealt with at once without taking damage was 6.

just using my psyker.

also, funny enough if you use Smite up to about 90% then shriek on them and are using the Mk IV Devil Claw, the heavy Vertical Slash will one shot them, or perrying can kill like 3 in 1 shot.

[wicked hornet]

this any good?

I know blazing spirit is bad

[mossy sundial]

man how the fuck do you do the last part of orthus offensive

there are simply too many enemies

they just spawn like 10 of everything

[quasi grotto]

Not an illisi expert but looks decent, maniac is always a good perk to have and uncanny iirc is good

[hexed geyser]

What's the best way to farm specific blessings? Melk or just plasteel?

[quasi grotto]

Yeah you gotta deal with them quick or they overwhelm you

[mossy sundial]

i feel so helpless as a psyker in that room, im just clearing trash with shards and spamming voidstrikes and its not enough

[drowsy kelp]

situations like that where the zealot prayer or psykers smite help a lot

[static needle]

Which of these is better at horde clear?: Deimos with slaughterer + uncanny, knife with lacerate and flesh tearer (bleed on crit), or DS4 with rampage and uncanny strike?

[potent echo]

I would say neither of them, pick them based on their primary use

Rather than relative poor horde clear

Also depends on which you are most comfortable with, knife and DS have better better efficiency and better dodges than a Deimos

Deimos can handle density better than the former two if you use the H2 poke, but you need to channel the horde into a chokepoint

[static needle]

voidstrike with surge + warp nexus

[potent echo]

With assail?

[static needle]

smite

and shield

and warp charges

[potent echo]

I would take a Dclaw or a illisi personally

Otherwise I would have no choice but to smite hordes which feels really bad without creeping too

My usual loadout is void/vent/assail with deimos

So I can deal with any situation

[static needle]

hmm

how can u deal with being overwhelmed by ragers close range?

[potent echo]

Your loadout is really lacking in horde clear

Void

My void has flurry

[static needle]

hmmm

flurry and?

[potent echo]

If you send a full bowing ball to the head the ragers will fall over and cry

Flurry surge

But you need to hit the head , otherwise they power through

[static needle]

how is surge any good without nexus? do you rely on proccing it?

[potent echo]

True aim

[static needle]

y

[potent echo]

Guaranteed crit, you can set it up with melee too

Or assail if you like counting

[static needle]

alr

[potent echo]

I always take DD with this build, so true aim is free anyway

[static needle]

blast radius is dump stat on void, right?

[potent echo]

Yesn't

[static needle]

Can you one hit crushers?

[potent echo]

You can afford to have it at like 50~

[potent echo]

Usually doesn't happen in practice

But you can if you have all the buffs

[tame venture]

Normally I love expanding blast radius, so it hurts to reduce it

[static needle]

i have a void with everything 77+ with blast radius on 65

[potent echo]

Crushers get CC'd quite well welith void

But you need to start doing it early, make use of it's range

[potent echo]

Definitely okay

[static needle]

But like... is it possible?

[potent echo]

As long as it isn't like 10% blast radius or something ridiculous

[potent echo]

Surge with +carapace

[tame venture]

What guns are actually worthwhile on gunker? Old revolver, Columbus, laspistol and one of the headhunters?

[potent echo]

Yea you can but it's not that valuable

[half turtle]

man hard mode twins is rough with pubs

[quasi grotto]

Bubble was really impactful for my team, you can give that a try. Not sure assail is the way to go too considering the big threats are mostly heavily armored

[potent echo]

A 90% dead crusher on the floor is as good as dead

[static needle]

guessing you dont run crit aura?

[potent echo]

I run CDR aura I think

But crit aura is fine

[static needle]

how do u deal with peril generation? is gonna be a bitch

[potent echo]

Venting

It's so good

[static needle]

shriek?

hmm

[mystic vortex]

The perks are bad but jesus the emperor wants me to use another staff from an after mission drop

[potent echo]

You can afford to cast at 100%

[wheat tulip]

crit aura with the movespeed and toughnes on crit

[potent echo]

Go into potw, then F, to go to 50% peril, maximise the value

Also the F will stagger the crushers and let you send more deathballs

[static needle]

"potw"?

[potent echo]

Perils of the warp

The exploding animation

Void weakness is spread out gunners

It's a huge pain to send 1 charged ball at 10 different locations, that's why I take assail

[wheat tulip]

doesnt matter you shouldnt be shooting gunners, if you go fast enough they never get set up in the first place and you can just melee them

[static needle]

spam left click on a voidstrike with warp nexus + surge for the same purpose

that shit will melt enemies

[potent echo]

Lmb on voidstrike takes like 3-4 hits to kill, unless you crit

Also the stagger on the ball will make your subsequent headshots miss

It's a huge deal because shooters are usually behind cover

End up you take roughly the same time as sending a charged ball

If you have assail you just throw 5 to kill all of them

[static needle]

which i do often because high peril and warp nexus, crit aura, crit chance perk

[potent echo]

And build easy DD stacks

With 15 DD stacks it's 3 kill per assail

Plus it's so much more comfortable

[static needle]

U running something like this?

[static needle]

tru

[potent echo]

You can spend your mental stack worrying about the 20 specials behind you and not some stupid shooters

Oh yea I can't take crit aura because I need venting

[static needle]

cant run vent with crit aura, sadge

[potent echo]

Definitely take PC