psyker-class

[orchid nest]

you will often have time to get purg stacks and vent them as they come in. it's not worth it for like 2-3 crushers but it's definitely worth it for big crusher patrols

[sullen bobcat]

Pretty much the plan

It's not like crusher packs happen out of nowhere. There's other shit that I was probably burning too

[orchid nest]

yeah that is usually how it goes, was burning the stuff with them anyways

[mighty cipher]

I honestly wouldn’t even bother with SB on crushers. It maxes out at like 50 DPS.

[orchid nest]

we are talking about using uncanny so the soulblaze does a lot of damage to them

[mighty cipher]

I forgot that’s how that works

[vast yew]

it turns the carapace into unarmored for 20x damage

effectively

[near wyvern]

@oak juniper #psyker-class message

Even better when using perilous combustion obviously

Once the first one goes down the rest will fall

[mighty cipher]

God this game is a mess

I love it

[vast yew]

yeah the bigger problem with crusher hordes while using purgatus is finding the time to try and get the stacks on them before they flatten you, and then of course trying to stack uncanny while they're all trying to flatten you

if you can get it set up they melt but uhh

[sullen bobcat]

I mean there are teammates and I'm on vent for the stagger as well

Like things don't occur in a vacuum

[vast yew]

I am aware of the tactics

[glossy ember]

the new mission kinda booty for warp charges/scrier or is it just me

not a lot of enemies

[half iron]

😢

[vast yew]

every mission is booty for warp charges/scrier because they don't synergize booden

[glossy ember]

[vast yew]

you're just a madman

[half iron]

they synergize if you’re cool like us

loser mcloserface

[vast yew]

the cooldown reduction doesn't work unfortunately

which is big sad times

[half iron]

go into the corpse-starch machine and turn into corpse-starch. no words.

[mighty cipher]

The special mission has an extremely low enemy density because of it constantly spawning in the twins. To the point that I actually thought that DD was bugged due to getting so few marks.

[glossy ember]

yeah ok im gonna run shield for this

what are the twin armors?

flak or unyielding?

[orchid nest]

flak I think like the captains

[glossy ember]

ok neat

[next turret]

nothing more satisfing than a single long shard throw blazing through 5 gunners

[near wyvern]

Head seems to be carapace, at least it makes a similar ping sound

[lucid turret]

Best staff to use with smite?

[gilded viper]

Any. I like Trauma

[lucid turret]

I use purge cause fire cool

[ember mesa]

I finally unlocked Surge for voidstrike lets gooooo

[olive ember]

Just not purge

[mighty cipher]

It’s really funny watching thunder hammers plink off of them instead of shredding a 1/4 of their HP because of that.

[static needle]

Is going for seer's aura + one with the warp viable as a gunpsyker with laspistol?

[mighty cipher]

Try it out. Tell us how it goes.

[static needle]

cause this is my other option

alright then how about i ask this... Is quell movement speed ever good to run? i have to run that on the first one so I can reach seer's aura

[tame venture]

It's a pure QoL item
It won't help you kill things deader, but may help you scoot along with the team

[clear heath]

quell movement speed is kinda useless imo, but sometimss you gotta grab it to reach certain nodes

if you quell with your staff out, you already have like 90% of your move speed anyways

and you can still dodge and slide regardless

[orchid nest]

they need to add something else to mind in motion. like a large speed boost ontop of it so peril becomes like a resource to actually move faster while doing it too than you would just sliding

although I guess if it did that you would just slide still anyways except it would be faster

[clear heath]

i wonder if it would be too much to ask for it to also affect movespeed while charging staves

i mean most the time i'd still be sliding anyways

[spice veldt]

focused channeling + mind in motion staff users would be sliding their way into enemies

burnt pants

[orchid nest]

lol yeah

[spice veldt]

hmmmm

+movespeed with peril or something along those lines would be my first thought

[orchid nest]

maybe just a speed boost in general then scaling with how much peril you have to keep the synergy in line with its side of the tree

yeah, beat me to it

[spice veldt]

fastest hand in the west

hmm right side of the tree

faster passive quell based on movespeed

[orchid nest]

[clear heath]

quell speed was my first thought, but we already have a quell speed node and it just feels weird to have another

even if it is on the opposite side of the tree

[spice veldt]

there is some minor difference in that solidity only affects active quelling

[clear heath]

oh if it's passive quell speed only, idk maybe

i feel like it'd have to be huge to be worth caring about

[spice veldt]

yeah, maybe it'll also affect the delay

[clear heath]

oh yeah that could work

lower delay could be nice for force sword special

or peril blocking

[olive ember]

Mind in motion

Such a cool name for fucking nothing

[harsh urchin]

god

the new mission

is such fucking dogshit LOL

gives no plasteel

[olive ember]

Eh who cares about plasteel

What’s the mission itself like

[lucid terrace]

It's fun

[glossy ember]

boring

auric damnation is more fun

[olive ember]

🤔

Wat about hard mode

[granite mauve]

very hard

unless premade

[glossy ember]

yeah it's pretty hard

[granite mauve]

with a premade it's just hard

in a pub it's extremely hard

[olive ember]

Stupid college project

I’d be playing game if I didn’t have it due tonight smh

[frozen osprey]

Just quit college

[rich rose]

Any use Deflector on power sword? Trying it out

[long wharf]

nobody uses Deflector on power swords

[quasi junco]

This lol. I’ve paid welders with specific licensing that make over $100 an hour.

[quasi junco]

Makes me rethink my life choices

[rare trellis]

Anyone got a semi decent gun psyker build? Seems like it's fun

[long wharf]

well, it takes either a lot of work experience or having specifically valuable skills to end up making more than someone with a qualifying degree in the same field

[warped meadow]

It's awesome. Whole mission feels like a buildup to an actual bossfight, and the actual bossfight itself feels like an actual bossfight.

Big W for FS

[ancient mango]

https://youtube.com/shorts/kb-JWLcImTI?si=e7JtJIlUG4bKKuWq

[jovial mural]

what are good blessings for surge staff? I have one with decent stats but not sure if i want to use blessings im used to if theres a better option

[quasi junco]

flurry nexus

The Nexus of Flurry

[jovial mural]

got it

thnx

[warped meadow]

Nexus of the flurry persuasion?

[long wharf]

goddamn flurries

[analog agate]

Finally realize how shitty most players are when playing with randoms on the new mission lmao

they just die from everything

[vast yew]

had a guy flame everyone for not switching zones in the finale

then quit

my guy it's our first time playing the mission, maybe tell people what the gimmick is

[azure bridge]

any tips for the new boss? I have done it 3 times, won once

[analog agate]

white light is safe zone for poison mechanic

everything else is standard darktide

[azure bridge]

maybe I should take deflector then, cause I keep being forced to tank the gun guy, while also being swarmed with ads

[rich rose]

Well, I can report it actually...works

[warped meadow]

I have people swear it's broken, but they're the same people who play malice

I could get a literal turd with a blessing and it'd be broken in malice lol

[long wharf]

I gaurantee it doesn't

[oak juniper]

I've been summoned

[orchid shadow]

The new finale hates me. 😦

[rich rose]

Your "Guarantee" isn't worth much then LOL

[static needle]

Isnt DS4 always better than catachan 6 knife?

[upbeat parcel]

what's the best build for boss damage?

[untold widget]

Damage? Yes. Movement? less so

[frozen osprey]

Arrested for ur loyalty

[long wharf]

neither is your critical reading

[static needle]

can the knife

punch stagger ragers?

[untold widget]

if you can land it

its range is rather.. limited

[vale nacelle]

Anyone ever played surge trauma memes before?

[static needle]

well

[clear heath]

the joke is that you said power sword instead of force sword, which can't get deflector

[fast frost]

Say I was in a team which used very little ammo. Could I ever get a scryer build to work? I’ve never bothered because I’m such an ammo avoiding person to not burden ammo users but I’ve noticed very little vets use ranged atm

[static needle]

for what kinda build could the catachan 6 be a better choice than running DS4? i feel like those kinds of builds are far and few between

[orchid shadow]

Clearly the game thought I belonged there since I was still wearing my level 1 prison clothes.

[vale nacelle]

Looks like it only works on the LMB. That's pretty funny.

[frozen osprey]

It's only natural

[rich rose]

Potato potato word games doesn't change the fact it works

[long wharf]

not on a power sword it doesn't

and it's not "potato potato", but more like "potato puhtaytoe"

[azure bridge]

this new boss is kinda cancerous as hell

one person goes down, whole team just dips

majorly frustrating

[cloud heron]

ressing people is really hard because of the two bosses

they can each lock one person down pretty well, so only one person can really res

[open pike]

I had a run ruined cause one of them went apeshit and dropped 20 grenades on his corpse

Not really a great player myself so I've been kinda stonewalled for the Twins on Damnation and trying to figure out the best way to approach it

[azure bridge]

i'm usually last one down at this point

but then everyone just leaves lol

[cloud heron]

honestly i don't really think psyker has much to offer in the fight

the shield is really good but the mission is a lot more focused on single target damage than a normal game

[olive ember]

Fire and duelling sword

Ez enough for psyker

[azure bridge]

force sword hits hard and brainburst deals okay damage

[cloud heron]

brain burst is definitely not sufficient boss damage here, considering the whole mission is the boss fight

does EP brain burst one shot a flak rager?

it would be kind of useful there but then then you have just as many maulers and crushers

[azure bridge]

rager's aren't the problem

[orchid shadow]

It's the poison that gets me. If I'm not running as soon as I hear the ventilator alarm, the adds block me long enough and I always get caught.

[azure bridge]

i acn handle ragers with trauma staff its the shooty boss

[cloud heron]

have you done hard mode?

i don't really feel like you can just sit on the melee elites

[azure bridge]

attempted, but died to poor understanding of mechanics

[rich rose]

SMH sounds like a LOT of people in this channel need to learn to play a pysker

[cloud heron]

you need to be clearing stuff ASAP so you can get back to fighting the boss

[spice veldt]

haven't played yet--do any hordes or anything spawn in significant quantities or is it mostly elites/specials

[azure bridge]

the adds in teh fight really aren't a problem for me its the fact everyone focuses the melee boss... with melee attacks

[proven stirrup]

The mission is mostly backloaded

[spice veldt]

my initial plan was to just run into the mission with purg psyker but that doesn't seem like it'll work

[cloud heron]

it's mostly flak rager, mauler, and crusher elites mixed in with basic horde enemies

[sand cove]

what should i change for flak?

[proven stirrup]

Hordes come in phase transitions during the fight

I sure do enjoy the format

[cloud heron]

they throw in some specialists but they're relatively rare

[open pike]

It has phases, constant ADS, focused hordes during a segment where you have to move from position to position or take corruption damage from poison

[sand cove]

@quartz barn

[quartz barn]

?

[sand cove]

#psyker-class message

[spice veldt]

hmmmmmm

[quartz barn]

oh wait

unarmored

[sand cove]

ty king

[spice veldt]

i'll pop into a mission with a gunker dome shield and see how that goes

[patent wing]

it took me 6 rounds, but finally i got it as psyker guys

gun psyker

[quartz barn]

loss of crit is kinda sad, but not too bad as you get guaranteed crits with true aim anyway and can get 35% while at 80%+ peril afaik

[patent wing]

i was last man standing and somehow managed to revive my team when both twins were alive

kinetic deflection op

[open pike]

Kinetic Deflection is how I manage to get so far each time lmao

[quartz barn]

also big brain tip if you decide to use dueling sword

[patent wing]

ye duel sword and accatran

[quartz barn]

if you want to res try to slide res

very effective with the extended distance

[sand cove]

slide res?

[proven stirrup]

I still need to rebind my crouch key

[quartz barn]

ye you slide and then interact for the pickup, so you get some distance from whatever is on you / them

[proven stirrup]

I cannot slide dodge with these keybinds to save my life.

[sand cove]

woah

ima try that. never heard that before. it was kinda a thing in vermintide

sweet

[azure bridge]

no if I had to say what was killing me consistantly, its people not attacking with what the twins are weak against, and not keeping them separated

[quartz barn]

just run bubble and trap the gun twin

[azure bridge]

i'm very tempted now

[quartz barn]

should have it up all the time with lower cooldown on elite/special kills

or most of the time

[sand cove]

true. i've been doing that in all my games. thanks for the tips! 👑

[open pike]

I thought about shield but glossed over the fact you can trap him in the dummy sphere lmao

[azure bridge]

i like having shriek but, might have to take shield if i want to have a decent time here

[quartz barn]

but tbh you need to reposition constantly

[patent wing]

at least i can go play normal a5 and drop the wound curio

[quartz barn]

i only focussed on elites and mine clearing with the occisional shot at melee twin / bubble placement

main danger are shotgunners cuz stagger

[azure bridge]

man its not even repositioning, people are so used to being able to face tank them, even on damnation, from all the times they "ambushed" us, that no one takes the fight seriously at the beginning and holds W till they reailze oh shit they hurt

[quartz barn]

maybe maulers / crushers if you cant dodge i guess?

[orchid shadow]

Wait, you can clear those? Or you mean intentionally triggering them?

[azure bridge]

yes youc an mine clear

and should

[quartz barn]

ye it takes a short while before they blow up

[orchid shadow]

Today I learn

[quartz barn]

so walk in, dodge out

[azure bridge]

dont even need to dodge

you can run through the outer rimm, and you'll be fine

[quartz barn]

i always tried to clear multiple cuz i got ran down by almost all adds lmao

[potent echo]

Just bring purge and it's relatively easy

[quartz barn]

trauma might be very effective because everything is grouped up?

[azure bridge]

it is

like i said, adds aren't a problem

least for me

[quartz barn]

but you'd want shriek with that, so no bubble jail for twin

eh just throwing stuff out there for people that havent beaten it yet

[azure bridge]

yeah sorry i'm just frustrated

[quartz barn]

i just ran voidstrike to instakill everything

[sand cove]

disrupt destiny?

[quartz barn]

no just warp charges

bubble cooldown

[azure bridge]

every team i've run it with atm ignores the adds, which is fine i can take those, but then proceeds to bumrush only one of the twins, and don't take their counter attacks seriously

[sand cove]

gotcha

[quartz barn]

i dont have a single dd build lmao

[azure bridge]

if you let them, the twnis will shred your hp and toughness hard

[quartz barn]

idk how you take dmg vs sword twin

like just block huh

[azure bridge]

its like they forgot how to block and dodge, so fixated with lowering their shields

oh i'm usually tanking her lol

she's simple as walk out of the way

[potent echo]

If you try to fight back, her openings are weird

[azure bridge]

its the gun guy whos more dangerous

[quartz barn]

but i do fight back

[azure bridge]

yeah but thats why you shoot her, dont melee her

[potent echo]

How is gun guy dangerous

[azure bridge]

she takes extra ranged damage

[quartz barn]

but i dont melee her

[azure bridge]

he takes extra melee damage

[potent echo]

He barely knows how to shoot his gun

[quartz barn]

i slide dodge backwards into voidstrike special

then block / push to not get hit by whatever i slide into

[azure bridge]

regular left click psyker bolts deal unreasonable damage to her as far as psyker bolts are concerned

[potent echo]

Void does really little damage against them

Just Deimos out and start poking

[quartz barn]

ye true, i mostly cleared elites/specials

[azure bridge]

honestly, taunt ogryn can trivialize them

[potent echo]

Yea just be mindful of the rager and mauler waves

[open pike]

Actually that is something I noticed when I played today

[potent echo]

Just any vet with shout or zealot with song

Ogryn with anything

[open pike]

I desperately want an Ogryn on my team but never get one, sad

I keep getting triple vet

[azure bridge]

the one game i won, had an ogryn tank lol

we had no issues

[potent echo]

Vet shits on the twins

[quartz barn]

too bad most vets are bad

[potent echo]

Yea well

[quartz barn]

[sand cove]

lmao

[quartz barn]

i do like how people complain about the design of the fight

not the difficulty

[spiral remnant]

just crafted a beauty..

[azure bridge]

the design ain't a problem, its people being brainlets

[quartz barn]

^

[spiral remnant]

still have a slot left so im wondering if i should go for changing shred or the perk

[cloud heron]

Shred for Uncanny

[quartz barn]

and its free content to me cuz im a toxic psyker main

[spiral remnant]

is uncanny strike that good? i heard quite a few ppl talkin bout it

[azure bridge]

amazingly good

[cloud heron]

the special attack maxes its stacks before applying the actual hit

[spiral remnant]

o dam

[rich rose]

I run Uncanny and shred, its a great combo

[vale nacelle]

Got the melk special. We still runnin' maniac+flak nowadays?

[rich rose]

I thought about rolling the dice on a "better" one but I have 4 toons to keep clothed lol

[harsh urchin]

Mostly carapace + maniac/unyielding/whatever

The important ones is carapace + uncanny

The second blessing and second perk dont really matter

[potent echo]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/18hduzm/real_talk_kill_the_horde_or_go_through_the_airlock/?share_id=IJ5skL8uaqvM0t6Y-AyCW&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=1

[subtle swift]

why does the push that happen when you stop casting smite sometimes not push the enemies??

seems random af

then sometimes it pushes guys behind me to my front

very inconsistent

[potent echo]

The push is the best part of smite

[subtle swift]

yes, when it works

[potent echo]

If you let go early, you do a push

[subtle swift]

i know

asking why it doesnt push

[potent echo]

The push is in the direction you are looking at

[subtle swift]

sometimes

[potent echo]

So if you want enemies to fly towards you, you look behind and release

[subtle swift]

can be looking right at something and use it and nadda

[potent echo]

Vice versa

Some enemies are immune to the push

[subtle swift]

phantom pushes

i know lol

talking about stuff that can be pushed

none elites

[potent echo]

If you use rmb, you need to build up stagger afaik

If you shock and immediate release it might not push

[subtle swift]

ah so i need to stagger them for abit with the lightning first. sometimes i can push them without the lightning even connecting

sometimes i cant push them even after lightning

buggy skill

[potent echo]

Maybe visual bug, but yea stagger in this game is very weird

It might be overridden by other things

[subtle swift]

yeah thats possible

[potent echo]

Like your team hitting etc

Or mutant charging through or some other weird stuff

[frozen osprey]

I always wanna stay and clear but my team never ever does

So fuck me i guess

[subtle swift]

i use it to push back poxburster from long range too sometiems but sometimes i do it and they just smile and continue to run at me

even though they are in range

just abit frustrating sometimes lol but i wont give up my smite i love it

[spice veldt]

if my team has some infinite cleave weapon (including grenades), then you can pretty safely just go through the airlock and fight whatever is ahead

[frozen osprey]

I like playing it safe because i simply do not trust pubs to deal with elites and hordes at the same time

[ornate hamlet]

Is building crit with a purgatus staff worth it or should I overlook it?

Not sure how it handles crit

[cloud heron]

Purge loves crit

[orchid shadow]

If there's a flamer or bomber, or I hear their audio cues, I choose the airlock. Airlocks are dead ends and places leading up to them are usually not good to places to maneuver so going through airlock gives you options.

[subtle swift]

i really dont like the trauma staff

hard to hit stuff on high ground

[half iron]

rizz them

[subtle swift]

for me staves go Void>Surge>purge>trauma

[cloud heron]

trauma is great

way better than surge at the very least

[eager mantle]

There's some getting used to but deleting pox bursters from a single charge is neat. And so is spreading soul blaze to everything on crit or knocking the entire crusher and mauler party on their asses

[subtle swift]

all the knocking around is something i dont like makes it harder for me to just wreck the maulers with my dueling saber

[eager mantle]

I like surge the most atm because it's the most simple with range and spamminess. Trauma is climbing up there if I get my godroll lvl 4 soul blaze

[spiral remnant]

what perks are ideal for a melee sword?

[subtle swift]

surge is good in places with low visibility too.

[eager mantle]

Knocking them on their asses where they will still die just as quickly or even faster and without them being able to attack is better

[subtle swift]

just spam into the dark/fog lol

[eager mantle]

What sword

[spiral remnant]

blaze

[eager mantle]

You usually can't go wrong with flak or maniac damage since those will be the main troublesome armor types that you will probably be bringing your melee out for

[spiral remnant]

i see

[spiral remnant]

say, whats the diff between flak and carapace? i know they're different types of armor but like... is there any real diff?

[pallid spindle]

Blazing Spirit is only level 3 on the trauma staff

[eager mantle]

Damn. I'm dumb

[eager mantle]

Uh carapace is the higher armor value. Mauler helmets and crushers. Flak is like Kevlar armor of the gunners or the basic riflemen armor and helmets. Most weapons will struggle with carapace. Flak will provide some protection for them while you'll hear a high pitch pinging noise against carapace

[spiral remnant]

ohhh okay

[eager mantle]

Like if you try to light melee something carapace your weapon will basically deflect and deal lil to no dmg

[slim raptor]

Does anyone know what armor type the twins are?

I assume flak but unyielding would also make sense I guess

[quasi grotto]

Carapace for the head and unyielding for body iirc

[slim raptor]

So with the dueling sword is it better to still get headshots to proc uncanny strike or is it just better to stab center mass

[spice veldt]

absolutely just stab them in the head

uncanny will take care of whatever armour type they are

you do 2.48x damage on weakspot hits compared to bodyshots (ignoring crits) with the mk4 duellie

[slim raptor]

That makes sense

extra so because atleast on my IV I'm at 70% heavy vs carapace

[spice veldt]

i'm personally bringing a gun along

gun down the melee twin's shield, and stab the rest

though i'm not doing hard mode yet

[slim raptor]

I just tried and failed the mission for the first time

[orchid nest]

the hard mode was pretty fun

[slim raptor]

Ran mk IV DS and purg

[austere estuary]

really really feels like teams just don't know how to deal with hordes

[slim raptor]

Literally why I run Purg or trauma basically 100% of the time

[austere estuary]

constantly ending up with like more horde clear than the rest of the team combined no matter what I bring

feels like people are just tunnel visioning the twins

[slim raptor]

I do not trust randos to deal with hordes in any reasonable way

[long wharf]

oof, the twin boss fight on damnation hard mode is not easy

[austere estuary]

same

[slim raptor]

I tried it on heresy but even then it was pretty brutal

[austere estuary]

been trying damnation

even at the point of when it's a wipe with 1 twin left on low hp, none of my team have even racked up 100 lesser enemies

[lament glen]

In fairness, we ran this with three zealots

which is probably not the meta

[slim raptor]

Fair

[slim raptor]

@lament glen

Thats the twins apparently

[lament glen]

neat, means i need to bodyshot them with my hammer

[slim raptor]

On a unrelated note can someone explain how exactly this works mainly with blessings like Deflector and block effiency stuff

[ornate hamlet]

yeah you block everything

at the cost of peril

[slim raptor]

Like as an example if I block a hit that after block eff is 4 stam worth of blocking does that mean I only gain 1 peril?

Because that doesn't sound right

Or is it based on the % of your total stam that the attack would consume

[subtle swift]

apparently you should pair a +3 stam with that trait? cause it does peril off a percent of your stam?

[slim raptor]

I run a +3 stam anyways

[wicked hornet]

Yeah I tried 2 times before work but people just kept tunnel vision on twins. So when I get on tonight I’m bringing the purg staff instead of void strike staff.

[subtle swift]

the new secret difficulty after you beat it it give you 2 bells you can ring to skip the level. but does it skip you to the bosses only and you miss all the loot and the medipack?

or does it teleport you to the loot room right before the boss

[upbeat parcel]

what build are yall bringing for the boss fight

I beat normal but holy shit hard mode got hands

[spice veldt]

peril is 4x of your max stamina

if an attack deals 25% of your stamina, you'll gain (25%/4) = 6.25% peril

[long wharf]

it teleports you to the loot room... minus the loot

[spice veldt]

block eff will also help kinetic deflection along

and so will peril resistance

[slim raptor]

Thats really what I wanted to know thanks

[mossy sundial]

guys is smite still good?

[urban wedge]

What would make it bad

[mossy sundial]

i thought it cant hit weakpoint now?

or something?

also does anyone know if this build is worth replicating?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a6454b8-4180-4dc7-93ee-e817b21f25cc/auric-maelstrom-bubble-smite-support

its kinda an old build so im not sure if it holds up anymore

[gilded viper]

How does 1 smite a teammate irl when they imply that you being psyker is the reason they lost hard mode and not the fact the dumbass can't stay alive longer than 2 seconds?

[rich rose]

tried purg on assail scrier, nope lol

[quasi grotto]

I'm considering purg smite vent with warp battery for twins hard mode

It's a lot of cc and horde clear but with all the stuff coming at you, seems like it won't be a waste

[vast yew]

alright, so what do we think: Flak or Maniacs as the 2nd perk

[mossy sundial]

is smite voidstrike dome any good this patch?

and then deimos force sword for single target?

[vast yew]

Smite Void Dome is still good

though personally I run DS4 on that one

[mossy sundial]

wuts ds4

[vast yew]

Dueling Sword Mk 4

[mossy sundial]

ah

[vast yew]

also I think I'm gonna go Maniacs on that Axe

[mossy sundial]

yeah that's what i've been using just worried about single targert

[vast yew]

Dueling Sword 4 deals great single-target

just need Uncanny Strike

[mossy sundial]

i guess i just wanna make a dope endgame build and dunno what to go for

[primal plume]

Has anyone ran into a couple of Psykers named Andy and Leyley yet?

[errant pawn]

Nope. Why?

[vast yew]

all 4 of the staves can make dope endgame builds

[mossy sundial]

:C

[vast yew]

If only the first guy was named Uki instead

One annoying thing about staves is they have key stats tied to statbars

like charge rate/blast radius/quell speed

so it can be a bit before you get a truly great one

but they slap once you do

and even a mediocre one can still function

[willow hazel]

Surge is pretty easy to craft. Only 3 t4 blessings to roll and most combinations of quell speed/warp resist are ok

[vast yew]

Surge and Purge are easy yeah

Trauma and Void are where the Blessing RNG gets to be a bit maddening

[storm token]

Just had a psyker bring assail to the special mission, big brain plays?

[vast yew]

What's wrong with Assail?

[cloud heron]

I mean it's the first day. People not knowing what to expect is pretty fair

[vast yew]

if you aren't doing hard mode most of the adds in the final boss fight are normal dudes

if you're doing hard mode then uhhh yeah don't

[storm token]

its weak to carapace and the bosses heads are carapace

[vast yew]

you don't shoot it at the bosses you shoot it at everything else

(or the melee gal's shield; does decent damage to it)

Hard mode be kicking my ass tho

the perma-death is brutal

[cloud heron]

tbh i don't think psyker is that good for the special assignment

had a much better time with it on my zealot

[quasi grotto]

Smite seems like a good idea tho

[cloud heron]

what are you smiting? The melee elites?

[quasi grotto]

Yup

[vast yew]

Smite + Shriek spam seems to be decent

[cloud heron]

easier to just kill them and do something else

[vast yew]

although I will say the bosses themselves aren't actually that spooky

you can kinda run from them forever

all the elites are what keeps ending the runs

[spice veldt]

nothing wrong with bringing assail unless they're using it as their sole weapon

it's not like you get a big single-target dps option by taking another blitz

compared to something like Purg vs gun or mk4 duellies vs some other not-so-singletarget-oriented melee

[vast yew]

yeah DS4 seems like a must

need the mobility and single-target

[gilded viper]

I mean Deimos works too for that if you prefer it

[vast yew]

it do but it's a bit slower DPS

[mossy sundial]

idk what the hell a meta voidstrike build looks like

[vast yew]

not sure if it can block the plasma pistol shots

[mossy sundial]

smite? assail?

[vast yew]

Smite usually; don't need the other 2

[mossy sundial]

got it

[vast yew]

The key points for Voidstrike are the Surge Blessing (2 shots on crit) and the True Aim talent at the bottom right of the tree

if you pierce multiple targets at headshot level, you get multiple stacks of true aim at once

so with Surge, good aim, and lining enemies up you can just delete things

Also with the right setup you can one-shot Crushers, so that's cool

[azure bridge]

finally people are using their brains for the new boss

[trim valve]

Who is people?

[azure bridge]

randos

[vast yew]

also does anyone know the math on the Assail upgrade that makes it pierce additional targets

[trim valve]

But my guy, you are a random too.

[vast yew]

oh looks like it upgrades them from hitting 2 targets to hitting 3

well nevermind looks like that's pretty mandatory then

desperately trying to figure out if I can fit KD in my Surge staff build and it looks like the answer is a definitive "no"

... unless I give up PC?

hmm need to turn on Ovenproof and see how much Soulblaze damage I'm actually getting from that on average

[exotic tulip]

For boss I feel like bringing purgatus is better idea than voidstrike, so many poxwalkers and shit to carve between vented areas

[vast yew]

yeah the arena feels too hectic for Voidstrike

[urban sandal]

how would trauma do? haven't played it yet

[icy wyvern]

i mean, I did reasonably well with voidstrike at the last

it keeps maulers and ragers on their ass at least

[lost folio]

First run on malice worked relatively smoothly with my psyker

[vast yew]

Used Trauma once and it works but you can end up aiming at your feet alot with the Mauler/Rager waves come

was great for clearing out stuff during the gas phases though

[trim valve]

@vast yew which blitz did you use with Trauma?

[vast yew]

BB, as normal

didnt' use it much, as normal

[trim valve]

BB is normal??

[vast yew]

I mean you can knock crushers to the ground with Trauma

[urban sandal]

for trauma staff it's pretty common, I use it

[ripe yacht]

Okay tell me about hard mode in the special mission.

[vast yew]

don't really need Smite to stun things

[ripe yacht]

Dish, y'all.

[vast yew]

do you like a LOT of Elites

and Perma-death?

[ripe yacht]

Yes.

Permadeath sounds very hard.

[vast yew]

Permadeath is rough as heck

[trim valve]

Trauma has fairly decent range though, if you aim up. And you can snipe most stationary ranged targets with LMB.

[vast yew]

if you go down it spawns you in the cells behind the bars

[trim valve]

I don't see why BB would be good with trauma.

[exotic tulip]

Perma death?

[vast yew]

so no getting rescued

[vast yew]

yeah you can't get rescued in hard mode

[exotic tulip]

Die in the game die in real life?, No going down at all?

[vast yew]

it's less what's good, its' more "what else would you even take"

[exotic tulip]

Oh, yeah rescue didn't seem super viable before

[trim valve]

Assail

[orchid shadow]

Wait what?? Is that what happened here?

[vast yew]

BB at least works to snipe Snipers and preserves access to Psykinetic Aura

[ripe yacht]

Oh it's certainly possible.

[vast yew]

that's it

[vast yew]

Assail costs 3 points and loses you Psykinetic Aura

BB is just the 1 point and you get Psykinetic Aura

EZ choice, IMO, considering you aren't going to be using any of them very much anyways

[ripe yacht]

So, how viable is pubbing hard mode?

[vast yew]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-cry-meme-black-guy-crying-black-guy-gif-21748318

I don't want to talk about it

[ripe yacht]

😀

[trim valve]

Psykinetic Aura?

[ripe yacht]

I need to unlock it, but I'm tempted.

[vast yew]

maybe later once more people are used to it

[orchid shadow]

I'm 0/8 on the new mission

[ripe yacht]

1/2 so far.

[trim valve]

Ohh that thing.

[vast yew]

Yeah, one of the best talents on the whole tree IMO

and one of the biggest downsides to going Assail

[ripe yacht]

L/R?

[trim valve]

Idk, Assail has it's uses with Trauma staff, with the new maps hordes often come from multiple different angles and assail does not care that much but the Trauma does.

Having Psykinetic Aura to be traded for a useless blitz is a bit much.

[vast yew]

To clarify: when I say "Trauma" I refer to specifically the "Blaze Trauma" build

which only cares that you aim it in the right Zip Code to deal with Hordes

so multiple angles aren't a huge deal

[trim valve]

Ohh, I thought the normal was running Rending Shockwave.

I see.

[vast yew]

right, but you need to swap Shred to Uncanny

[ripe yacht]

Really?

[vast yew]

Uncanny is CRACKED

[ripe yacht]

For the finesse?

[vast yew]

like 3-shot Crushers cracked

Uncanny Strike gives you 20%/24% Rending on hit, stacking 5 times (for Tier 3/4)

which means once you hit 5 stacks, you have 100% Rending

You deal the same damage to Carapace that you would Unarmored

[ripe yacht]

Ooh.

[vast yew]

with 0 warp charges and 5 stacks of uncanny: 1 heavy hit from a DS4

[ripe yacht]

I'm still fishing for uncanny on the dueling sword.

(And I think I'll ultimately go back to a deimos/illisi anyway)

[vast yew]

with 6 warp charges:

crushers have 3500 hp

that's a 3-shot

[ripe yacht]

How about this one?

[vast yew]

good lord that one on the left

[ripe yacht]

Because I think I like shred more than rampage.

[vast yew]

shred is indeed techincally better

(sort of)

[ripe yacht]

I mean 32% damage is nice.

[vast yew]

the 2nd perk is less impactful but they all have their uses

[ripe yacht]

But I'm not using this for horde clear.

[vast yew]

Rampage actually lies; it's Power, not Damage

which makes it a bit better

[ripe yacht]

Still.

[vast yew]

but Shred triggers crit talents

which is really nice

also 80/79/80 is almost as high as you get can damage-wise

swap Precognition to Uncanny 3/4 and I think you're cooking

[ripe yacht]

…

[vast yew]

the 4% crit chance is a little unfortunate

[ripe yacht]

Come on. I'm 4 plasteel short. 😦

[spice veldt]

rampage was nice when it was bugged but my preference certainly does lie with shred now

[vast yew]

but shouldn't be too bad

Rampage letting you cleave 3 guys instead of 2 is the main reason to run it

but still I agree; Shred > Rampage now

[ripe yacht]

Hey, I figure as a dead talent 4% crit chance is pretty good.

I mean, it could be infested damage.

[vast yew]

yeah it could be Sprint Efficiency

[ripe yacht]

Or crit damage.

(My deimos is very sad)

[spice veldt]

+crit chance% has the benefit of applying to every enemy and increasing the chance of maintaining mettle at least if you're running that

[vast yew]

oh hey the hour changed

time to check the store for dissapointment

[spice veldt]

I also don't know breakpoints, so crit chance would be what I'd slap on

[ripe yacht]

Exactly.

It's no unyielding, but it could be so much worse.

🙂

[vast yew]

don't think there are any relevant breakpoints for DS4, hence the usual Unyielding to help monster damage

Crit Chance isn't a bad runner-up

welp Brunt offered me steaming piles of doo doo like normal

BOTH curios were +1 Wound with 3% Combat Ability Regen attached

think that's my cue to go to sleep

[untold widget]

Yup, never settle for less than 2 wound curios

[misty spoke]

Like...1 curio with 2 wounds? Is that a thing?

[untold widget]

lol no

[misty spoke]

Lol aww

[frozen osprey]

at one point there was a glitch and they did exist

but that was at the beginning of the year i think

[misty spoke]

Oh boo, must have missed that

[frozen osprey]

they were prolly deleted anyways

[fading depot]

WE DID IT

PRAISE THE EMPEROR

It only took me like the last 5 hours

[ripe yacht]

Nice!

[fading depot]

and as a smite psyker of all things

[unkempt light]

Gotts finish my Psyker Weeklies when I get home then try to do Secret Mode Damnation Twins Fight

[potent echo]

Is the special mission for a limited time only?

[fading depot]

No clue

[untold widget]

Got twins 2nd try

lets go

[potent echo]

Ez game?

[fading depot]

Now hard mode

[untold widget]

damnation?

[fading depot]

No

toll the bells

let the suffering commence

[untold widget]

we did the bell

whats the difference?

[potent echo]

You can only do the bell on damnation

[untold widget]

I only play damnation

[potent echo]

Well then I guess you did it

[untold widget]

In other news, what do we do with this sad sack of a sword?

I don't generally Illisi

feels like only perks

and keep blessings

[potent echo]

Yea blessings are fine enough

[fading depot]

bin it

actually earn slaughterer 4

[static mantle]

Worth?

[tacit sorrel]

which is the best staff for boss dps?

[hot zephyr]

Dumb autogun question: What's the difference between fire frenzy and deathspitter blessings? They both seem to give extra damage on kill.

[wicked hornet]

is this a good one?

[tacit sorrel]

Looks decent. I'd snag it just to unlock the rank 4 blessing you don't have.

[static mantle]

Fair enough

[tacit sorrel]

Good base stats. Worth grabbing to upgrade.

[wicked hornet]

got warp flurry 4

[untold widget]

I feel like the stats aren't bad, just the perks. I would usually go for slaughterer bloodthirsty but slaught/UP isn't bad either

[fading depot]

Fair enough yea

[eternal pike]

What are people running for hardmode twins?

[untold widget]

surge assail seems to work best for me

I tried evasion tanking with purg/EE which worked well enough but I my team struggled with specials

[eternal pike]

Are you guys running vent still over bubble or does bubble actually seem decent

[untold widget]

I run vent so I can tank melee boss forever if it comes down to it

but bubble has it's place

[eternal pike]

Hmm, might need to switch something out and grab kinetic then

[untold widget]

my issue is melee boss will hyper fixate until someone else does damage to her

[eternal pike]

Yeah I've had to tank for a while

Seems like ogryn with taunt is nuts

[pale pilot]

you should all be proud of your bronzed balls

[untold widget]

I found a good rhythm with dodging to set up a H1 stab with DS4 into special stab into block

rinse repeat

the shield will drop steadily enough that you can get her to kneel and get distance to deal with whatever the team is focused on

if you can get the block timing right you don't take any damage from her dash strike thing

[eternal pike]

Hmm, will have to test it out then

[untold widget]

Ok, Here's Illisi V2

Feels like another earned blessing and I'll have to make another illisi

[gilded viper]

Smite with vent seems like a good plan for hard mode.

The bosses are just additives to the hordes of elites wanting you dead

[eternal pike]

I've been running smite and it's been clutch at times

That plus the flame vent

[glossy ember]

woa

huge

thinking shriek and smite might be better for the new mission?

didn't see much success with bubble

actually EP might be the way for new mission...

[mighty cipher]

For the new mission you really just want boss damage. The director is really laid back with the spawns so as long as you pay close attention for times it does decide to hit you with an elite wave you’ll be fine.

And that’s for the Bell version

Without the bells it’s piss easy even on damnation. I literally thought DD was bugged because of the shit enemy density.

Just take a dueling sword with Uncanny and precog and griddy on the Karnak twats in like 2 minutes

[glossy ember]

oic

melee psyker with scrier time

[mighty cipher]

Fucking actually though

[glossy ember]

no keystone

or scrier ep

for toughness regen

[stone dawn]

Got a build link for a good one for this?

[mighty cipher]

Make one yourself, you’ll learn a lot more from doing that.

[near wyvern]

Purga is pretty poggers if your team has ball to stack them

Full stacks into ult deals nice damage to everything

[zinc tartan]

Time to get into stubs?

[glossy ember]

good lawd

[limber silo]

Is it just me or is the new chainsword straight up better than the old one?

Push attack + light + light is a better light combo and the heavies just do more damage since their strikedowns

my 66 shredder mk IV does less rev damage than my XIIg with 27 shredder

not to mention the IV is a orange and the XIIg is a grey

[potent echo]

New chainsword doesn't really have a horde clear combo

So like that's the only downside

[ionic needle]

I didn't enjoy the new one at all on my psyker, it felt way too clunky and since I mostly use melee to horde clear when zombies get too close the tradeoff wasn't worth it

Only tried it for one game though, so might be I need some time to get used to it

[potent echo]

You can pair it with a purg or a trauma

But like Deimos exists sooo

[ionic needle]

Yeah, paired with a horde clearing staff I bet it's good

I'm just way too sold on DS IV right now haha

[limber silo]

push attack light light is pretty good

not as good as heavy spam, but put some rampage on there and you dont even notice

[lunar hollow]

it kinda does

push attack -> light -> heavy is the most complicated but every light after the 1st is a vanguard iirc

[near wyvern]

Agripinaa is nothing more than a stat stick for your Assails. If you want to actually use a revolver you want hand cannon 4 surgical 4 on Zarona

[near wyvern]

Altho the light spam is super safe if you dodge once during the strikedown in the chain

[glass forge]

how can psykers use combat axe well? i tried it and not good enough to play safe cos weapon is slow, i get hit inbetween my slow swings and cleave of 2 enemies a hit

[ionic needle]

Which mk are you using? Are you pushing stuff in between hits? Also, blessings?

[glass forge]

i was using MK 5 combat axe, i was not pushing , decimator and headtaker blessings

[brazen rampart]

need to push to make combat axes work

otherwise they're too slow and you'll get hit 3-5 times every time you're fighting more than 2 enemies

[glass forge]

how about i spam push light attack to make it simple for my brain

[ionic needle]

I haven't run mk v in like six months, but I can imagine mixing in some pushes and maybe putting brutal momentum on it would help you out

[brazen rampart]

you can make that work if you can compensate for the janky angles that the axe has on your targets head

otherwise I just wouldn't use one

they're in a bad spot compared to other weapons for all 3 classes that get them

psykers get force swords, chainswords, and duelling swords, vets get power swords, chainswords, and shovels, and zealout gets thunder hammers and both big and small chainswords

[spice veldt]

they have brutal momentum so i doubt they're that bad

[brazen rampart]

axes in general aren't that good when compared to those weapon classes

[spice veldt]

and you can always spam dodges for safety

as long as you're not doing backwards dodges

and provoking running attacks which have a longer dodge catch

[brazen rampart]

true, but the point of axes being worse than other weapon classes, objectively speaking, still stands

I wish they were better because I have a cracked tac axe I want to use but I can't even 2 shot horde enemies on damnation

[spice veldt]

eh, that's a pretty strong statement to make unless you've done some rigorous testing

in patch 12 and before, you could easily make that statement because of how far apart many weapons were compared to the peak weapons

but I am skeptical of those statements in patch 13+

[brazen rampart]

I'm not skeptical at all

they have issues regarding their base horde clearing and swing speed

the angle of attack on all the axes are weird for horde clearing and if you use heavies they're pretty much only for single target damage

[plucky flax]

Combat axe is not great on psyker because of low attack speed.

[brazen rampart]

and that single target damage isn't good compared to other weapons that can buff themselves

[plucky flax]

But it's probably the strongest overall melee weapon on zealot.

On vet it's good too cos they also have some attack speed boost.

[brazen rampart]

also, there are some weapons that have enough stagger to knock down crushers and whatnot, seems like it's impossible to knock down a crusher with an axe tho

[plucky flax]

But strongest by far on zealot.

[brazen rampart]

like the deimos fs can knockdown a crusher with light into heavy

[spice veldt]

axe special doesn't work anymore?

[plucky flax]

You can stagger chain crusher with heavy spam on antax/rashad.

Don't even need to special.

[brazen rampart]

wack

[spice veldt]

hmm neat

maybe i should wane off my psword addiction on vet then

[brazen rampart]

either way I just feel they're a very weak weapon class

[plucky flax]

Xd

[brazen rampart]

compared to other weapons, I mean

[plucky flax]

I can agree it feels bad on psyker.

But on zealot it's cracked af

[spice veldt]

caxes still got their 200% unyielding adms it seems

[brazen rampart]

why would you use an axe on zealout when you could use a thunder hammer or chainsword though

[limber silo]

I just don't like the combat axes in general

they feel weird

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt have u beat the new hard mode yet

[spice veldt]

no

i haven't dared to do it in pubs

[brazen rampart]

thunder hammer goes RAAAAA OHK CRUSHERS

[limber silo]

Also this

[lunar hollow]

i did it in a premade

[plucky flax]

Better horde clear than both those weapons?

[lunar hollow]

u can't do that shit in pubs. i don't believe it

that fight requires all 4 people to be brain on

[brazen rampart]

better horde clear what

[urban sandal]

I did it in a pub

[spice veldt]

yeah i saw you giving people drugs

[limber silo]

since when does axe have better clear than evis?

[plucky flax]

Yeah combat axe with bm.

[brazen rampart]

my chainsword clears a damnation horde in 8 seconds or less

[limber silo]

maybe pre class rework, but no more

[brazen rampart]

an axe would take centuries to do that work

[lunar hollow]

chainsword has some of the best horde clear times in the game iirc

[spice veldt]

@lunar hollow also wtf is this name

was it stan again

[plucky flax]

My combat axe kills 4+ chaff with each hit.

[lunar hollow]

stan

yeah

[spice veldt]

god damnit

[lunar hollow]

he wanted to say "you best be playing psyker boy"

[spice veldt]

was it over voice comms

or text

[lunar hollow]

no

text

[spice veldt]

thank god

[lunar hollow]

lmao

[brazen rampart]

that must just be your combat axe specifically then because that kind of crap doesn't roll all the time

[quasi junco]

how is the new boss fight? Been busy and couldn't play it

[brazen rampart]

annoying

[urban sandal]

it's cool but depending on your team it can suck

[plucky flax]

It's bm and headtaker.

[spice veldt]

brutal momentum makes the dream work

[brazen rampart]

it's a scab captain that appears to be a pain in the ass for about 30 seconds and then disappears before they actually die

[lunar hollow]

new boss fight has a lot of stupid jank you have to play around with

[quasi junco]

so since psykers aren't known for boss killing outside of ds4 pokes to the head..... we get shit on in lobbies?

[lunar hollow]

i don't like it, but hey it gives you bragging rights if you do it on hard mode

trauma staff is really good for it

keeps adds off ur team

[urban sandal]

bring cc, lot of enemies spawn that make it hard

let zealots and whatnot do the boss dps

[brazen rampart]

so what you're saying is your axe clears hordes because you have BIS stuff, right? I don't have BIS stuff on my chainsword and I still clear hordes almost as soon as they touch me

[lunar hollow]

elites spawn out of random corners and make no noise

[quasi junco]

oh ill just use my void/smite build

[spice veldt]

brutal momentum is the main thing for the hordeclear

[plucky flax]

Uh bm any tier and headtaker tier 3 or tier 4 is not that hard.

[spice veldt]

though i assume you need headtaker and whatnot for bruiser oneshots

[brazen rampart]

so yeah, BIS stuff makes your weapon usable

[lunar hollow]

depends on class

vet doesn't

which is fucked up

[brazen rampart]

not good, but usable

big difference there

[quasi junco]

cuz 10% melee damage node?

[brazen rampart]

I can just go RAAAH and clear a horde with a random chainsword big E decided to give me

[lunar hollow]

that and desperado iirc

[plucky flax]

You can 1 shot scab bruiser without unarmoured on vet.

You will need a rashad though with high finesse.

And headtaker stacks.

[lunar hollow]

i c

i havent tested the BP that much since i dont really run caxe on vet

[plucky flax]

It's better defensive than power sword for me.

Feel better if I gotta solo.

Ps6 with 10% attack speed talent is kinda crazy tho

[lunar hollow]

i like ps6/shovel the most

[plucky flax]

I like the standard shovel.

[lunar hollow]

ps6 demolishes so long as you're not caught in a bad position where the shitty dodge stats fuck u over

reg shovel is lots of fun, good defense stats and the bonk noise is funny

[plucky flax]

These folding shovels special attacks are too slow for me.

They nerf 6 dodges tho

[lunar hollow]

i havent actually used the new shovels in a real match

[plucky flax]

I am so sad.

[lunar hollow]

yeah its unfortunate

but 5 dodges is still plenty for 99% of situations

[plucky flax]

I like shovel with plasma gun.

[lunar hollow]

same

[plucky flax]

Uncanny can let you keep crusher anyway.

[lunar hollow]

guaranteed crit from weapon specialist is kinda funny

[plucky flax]

Funny slapping crushers with a shovel to death.

[lunar hollow]

[plucky flax]

Shovel on zealot would be kinda crazy.

Super fast speed and big damage.

[lunar hollow]

i wish zealot got shovel and ds

[red jacinth]

any of these worth it?

[plucky flax]

Martyrdom shovel zealot.

[cold geode]

But we already have the new chainaxe

[plucky flax]

I don't like chain weapons that much although the new evis is very good.

[urban sandal]

shreds the new bosses pretty well

and any single target for that matter

[cold geode]

That was more of a dig at the new chainshov... Chainaxe we got I'm the update🙂

[ionic needle]

I'd say all of them are pretty good

That first surge staff looks especially interesting

[bold maple]

is it just me or is my team on orthus damnation a different breed of trash

endless special last patch in auric was easier than this one

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s just a different type of challenge

It isn’t particularly hard, but it requires coordination that hasn’t been particularly popular in Tide games

Not on vanilla level at least

[red jacinth]

Hmm

[bold maple]

nah im talking like 5 wounds vet/psyker, blue items, go down every 3 seconds

does damnation give special reward or what why are these malice only queing for this

[ionic needle]

It gives a slightly different thingy for damnation

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah. You know what Wayne June said, remind yourself that overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer.

[proven stirrup]

Damnation makes the leveling slog go by faster.

[ionic needle]

Is leveling even a slog? I maxed all characters pretty easily

[vestal fulcrum]

There is a Damnation insignia as a reward, as well as Damnation reward for completing the mission on secret hard mode (which is yet another, fancier insignia)

[proven stirrup]

It's not hard, it takes forever

It's also boring because you don't get to do shit with your gear

Also gives you the plasteel to actually engage with your gear after you get to the top

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s the only good thing about it

[proven stirrup]

Well it sure feels like the only reason anyone needs to run damnation

[vestal fulcrum]

FS never managed to make a system that made the levelling portion very engaging or made you consider sticking to one weapon for extended amounts of time

Ironically, Vermintide 1 had the best gear progression

[proven stirrup]

tbh, that comes with its own drawback

Having to get better items as you go forces folks to try more stuff instead of settling on one thing and never leaving that comfort zone

Also vermintide's gear progression was dogshit in it's own way

Swapping the need for plasteel for consecration in such amounts with diamantine is the one change I think would have the best immediate effect until something more gets implemented.

[red jacinth]

How about the voidstrike?

[ionic needle]

It's good too, a bit low on damage but might be worth it, I'd upgrade it to get surge and reroll crit damage to just about anything else

Transfer peril works well with surge and the true aim talent, and unyielding damage should be pretty sweet for it

[winter finch]

newbie psyker? try and find a good gun because you need to be able to kill hordes and the default psyker skill is single target

[ionic needle]

Killing hordes with guns? What heresy is this

[unkempt parcel]

Guns?

[umbral helm]

ran the boss a few times, both pubs and with friends later. in both cases had one or two randoms, and in most missions would have one of them leave the minute the slightest thing went wrong, or because they'd try and activate the hard mode at the start without asking and none of us were having it

[modern charm]

i honestly just want a talent tree i can follow while i do the easy modes for a while. would following the example trees in the atheneum be bad?

[ionic needle]

If I were new now I'd probably go something like this. Assail to have reliable horde clear and for you to be less reliant on getting good weapons, Shriek for getting out of those moments when I was bad at managing peril and warp charges because it's just free damage and shorter CD on Shriek.

[modern charm]

thank you!

[ionic needle]

Note that all of that might teach you some bad habits like relying too much on assail or not learning how to manage peril properly, but you'll get around to that later anyway

[umbral helm]

ye, it all comes with time

[languid osprey]

siblings what build are you having most success for the twins?

[bold maple]

good teammates

[languid osprey]

i cant roll for that

[fluid knot]

Target cap of 4 is kinda ass tho

[unkempt parcel]

Got my Hardmode using a rending shockwave smite build (trauma staff)

[plucky flax]

Yeah but still horde clear very reliably.

Better horde clear than old evis for me.

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah for sure

Plus overheads are nice

Also, poke

[unkempt parcel]

Since the gas only fucks your corruption if you lose toughness so i just go full support for twins CC and DMG amplification

[lunar hollow]

old evis has target capped push attack/lights but you would still see people lightspamming or doing the heavy -> light -> light -> push attack combo

it matters way less than people make it seem

[fluid knot]

Ye it dont matter massively, but its a little annoying swinging into a horde with this fat horizontal sweep an at best 4 dudes drop

Kill more dudes per swing with Catachan

[ionic needle]

124 ranged elites slain, those shotgunners didn't know what hit them haha

[proven stirrup]

Now that everyone's trying to do hardmode on this mission, I can't even get a single basic clear.

RIP this content, I'm never touching you again lmao

[plucky flax]

Me haven't played this mission yet cos I'm not home until Friday.

Someone carry me on Friday in hard mode pls

[summer prairie]

it's a bit hard to carry since you can't res

actually sort of need teammates who don't die

[umbral helm]

honestly, I get people wanting to do it, it's usually the lack of communication on wanting to do it, that bothers me. people trying to start it without asking, then getting mad when people don't follow along

especially when it's been made clear "hey, first time doing this"

[urban sandal]

first few times doing the mission on my psyker I essentially got pulled into the hard mode by the other 3 really wanting to do it, flopped over almost instantly the first 2 times and sat around trauma staffing my feet the third

[umbral helm]

I remember we had an ogryn who after one of the people ran up and jumped down the hole to get into the level, stopped, said "we've already messed up" and left

[urban sandal]

[proven stirrup]

I don't care about anyone wanting to do it. I care about pugs wanting to do it and nothing the fuck else

[urban sandal]

yeah I've only done pubs with it, managed to beat the hard mode in a pub on my zealot

[proven stirrup]

I don't care about prestige content and yet it's literally being forced down my throat.

[violet oak]

[fluid knot]

Ye, i'll help ye out pal, no worries. Done it for a few people

[umbral helm]

yeah, there's still people who haven't cleared the basic fight yet, which is part of what makes it annoying. you wanna do it that bad, look for people like you, Zola even tells your ass to get a squad together before heading in

[violet oak]

It would be nice if there was better mechanics to support putting together an in game squad

[proven stirrup]

Honestly this should never have been a part of the basic mission.

Make it a special special assignment

[violet oak]

Yeah ^

[summer prairie]

not like you are going to do the basic assignment over and over

[proven stirrup]

You could.

That's up to the person

Or it WOULD be

[summer prairie]

you could but most people won't

[proven stirrup]

I'm not most people

It also isn't relevant

[violet oak]

The social tab sucks, grabbing a team from in the mourningstar is a joke of a suggestion, and frankly they couldve easily added a filter for "secret mission" to the damnation

[proven stirrup]

To the overall point

[summer prairie]

it's not interesting at all after doing it once since the mission itself is just walking to the boss

I guess you could just teleport to the basic boss too

[umbral helm]

I did it a few times because I was helping different friends with it at different points, cleared it with one, then a third joined so we ran it through with them, etc.

like I said, I get people wanting to do it. but at least communicate that, don't just assume

[proven stirrup]

tbh, even if they do, what's the point of roping pugs into it?

Who may or may not be ready or skilled enough for it

[fluid knot]

Its funny

[umbral helm]

same reason you ask sometimes if people wanna kill the DH. fuck it, we ball

[unkempt parcel]

fuck it, we ball

[proven stirrup]

That as asinine an example as it sounds

But point taken

[violet oak]

👆

[proven stirrup]

I'm never touching that shit again

[potent echo]

Since its gonna be there forever we can do it anytime, no rush

[languid osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-but-i-want-it-now-gif-26307521

[past imp]

just execute me

[ornate hamlet]

that's a lot of damage

[past imp]

emotional damage

[umbral helm]

purely for special action poking crushers until someone can come along and deal with it

[radiant yew]

Siblings, does Disrupt Destiny mark targets for my teammates too?

[long stone]

No

[vestal fulcrum]

Nope, only you see them

[radiant yew]

Thank you, Warp Charges on the pyro build it is

[icy wyvern]

Tried hard mode three times last night, wiped each.

I’m sure the guys cleared it the moment I went to bed

[cosmic sigil]

i did the hard mode

and there were 2 taxes and 1 bolter so meta can kiss my ass

[polar laurel]

15 tries last night…

[umbral helm]

while not something that guarantees success, it did get a bit easier after realizing they take more damage from their opposites

[quaint drum]

anyone know how long the event lasts?

[umbral helm]

Rinda taking more from ranged and Rodin taking more from melee

also, not really, no. it feels like something that'd be limited, but I've also guessed this might set up a framework for more special assignments in the future, and that node for it on the mission board isn't gonna be going anywhere

like, we're totally gonna go after that Wolfer guy, eventually. and it'll probably use the same system

[quaint drum]

Nice. Just did regular on Damnation, and want plenty of time to bang my head on hard mode

[silk hawk]

is it that bad i did it 3rd try with a pub party...

[violet oak]

Bad team mates go a long way towards making it hard

my current pub team usually dies due to the gas clouds/turbines

We get close to killing one of the twins and they start hanging in the gas and get brought down to 1hp

i can't revive people who are dead

[unkempt parcel]

1 dome trivilaises the gas tbh

[quasi grotto]

anyone doing hard mode twins?

[violet oak]

Thats the problem, we have a dome psyker

they get too comfortable in the gas, suddenly get brought down to 1hp

[unkempt parcel]

sounds about right

all they really need to do is place it abit past the half way point to the next safe zone and it makes it easy

[violet oak]

They are sitting in whatever far corner they started the zone in

[unkempt parcel]

with warp battery aswell you have dome up every time you need to swap

Then your psyker may be broken

[violet oak]

[unkempt parcel]

Feed it to a beast of nurgle