psyker-class

[olive elbow]

and..apparently this one too thanks Brunt

[hearty oak]

Game gave me this. Might be time to use the fire stick?

[prime elk]

https://tenor.com/view/palpatine-dewit-gif-11426456

[untold widget]

slap some perks on that baby and slow roast some heretics

[hearty oak]

is EP better to use with purg staff? Or warp battery

[untold widget]

oh that's not the one from earlier

62% cloud radius is painful

[hearty oak]

I gotta start somewhere

other wise, its back to making swiss cheese out of people

[ionic needle]

Decided to try out a Columnus IAG build. Having a lot of fun with it. Except one thing. Five quick games in a row now without a Vet. Seriously, why is nobody playing Vet? I need ammo.

[ornate hamlet]

I mean

Ideally no class needs survivalist to have good ammo economy

[ionic needle]

What a meaningless thing to say

[untold widget]

Yes, the theme of 40k is "Everyone should always have enough to go around". I've always had that impression

[harsh urchin]

It means you're not playing the build well

If you cant manage your ammo

Dont get mad at me, idc how you play

Just reflect on that a bit

[hearty oak]

Just because you run out of ammo doesn't mean he isn't playing it well. A lot of times I run low cause I have to be the one that massacres the specials

[ionic needle]

What makes you think I can't?

[harsh urchin]

Post a scoreboard

Maybe I'm wrong

Show me proof 😼

[ionic needle]

Of what? Does it show me running out?

[hearty oak]

k

[dusty girder]

hmm how would you guys go for a Voidstrike damage build? I want assail for the waves, but to get to true aim I had to give up quite a few thoughness regens nodes, and I feel it's a bit much. What would you people suggest? I heard true aim is mandatory for voidstrike

[harsh urchin]

Are you the person i was talking to?

No?

[rustic veldt]

so

is gun psker any good?

[quick tulip]

Yes

[ionic needle]

Can you tell me how many times he went out of ammo?

I can't see that stat there

[rustic veldt]

may i ask how and why

also bb gun psker or asail gun psker?

[quick tulip]

Depends on what gun you use. And neither, take smite

[rustic veldt]

hmmm

why smite

also sciers gaze and disrupt destiony for gun psker

[harsh urchin]

No idea he hid that stat 😹 but your scoreboard is the one i wanna see

[quick tulip]

It's close- to mid-range CC, a gunker can generally handle mid- to long-ranges provided you aren't using a shredder autopistol

I use a laspistol with gaze and disrupt destiny for the on-demand criticals to give me toughness (blessing on laspistol)

[ionic needle]

How come?

[rustic veldt]

thx!

[quick tulip]

The trick to disrupt destiny is to not ONLY chase blue targets

When it kicks in, it's a nice buff to have, but don't let it get you into bad situations

[rustic veldt]

ok thx homie ^^

also

do i take the perk of gain 7.5% toughness on warp kill

[quick tulip]

If you take a force sword, probably a good idea

The aforementioned laspistol build relying on crits makes it so crits restore toughness so I tend to skip those perks to get more important things later in the tree

Pairs nicely with smite and an illissi IMO

[rustic veldt]

oooo oki doki

thx

[quasi junco]

killing 5 shotgunners with one RMB of voidstrike is so satisfying. Love when they walk in a single file line

[hearty oak]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

The toughness on warp kill talent is very good for staves, force swords and assail

It works per kill and makes AoE weapons on hordes regen your toughness very fast

[hearty oak]

Assail gunker is easy to pick up but harder to master with not getting tunnel vision and blowing up

[ornate hamlet]

The one on quell is very nice with a low res illisi because you can keep stroking the sword to get that blue thing and then quell it

And if you take the one on peril gain, you also get more mileage out of stroking your sword

And if you put shred on that same force sword, you get good mileage out of every single one of them

[hearty oak]

Stroking huh?

[untold widget]

the void is for the waves, that's the best part about it. I run soulstealer into PC, Mettle into perfect timing, Smite for surprise crusher parties and saving teammates, Psykinetic Aura for more shouts per second, seer's aura into WS down to Psychic Vampire, Warp Rider and then true aim

and I run new knife and voidsurge

best to take hordes out on the run up, as they stretch out into a line that Void just excels at deleting

[subtle swift]

i equipped a +3 stamina curio but while wielding my dueling saber mk IV, it only adds 2 stamina bars. what gives!? D;

[harsh urchin]

75 stat curio is bugged

You need 76+

[plucky flax]

What's the rating? It needs to be base rating of 77 and above.

[subtle swift]

ah thanks :P

yeah tis 75

is it just a visual bug or am i only getting +2

[hearty oak]

purg staff is strange

and so is trauma

[subtle swift]

is it just a visual bug?

[vale nacelle]

Aight, noob question time: Do you need to earn blessings multiple times for different groups of staves? According to the website Warp Nexus is an available blessing on Trauma staff, yet it doesn't appear in my collection when I go to re-bless one, even though it is in my collection.

[plucky flax]

[quartz barn]

ye you need to re earn the blessing on every staff

[hearty oak]

Also which is better. Warp battery or EP

For staffs

[subtle swift]

oh good i have a stam 3 thats 77. just my ordo farm stamina 3 is 75. gunna have to keep rollling that one or wait for a fix i guess

[vast yew]

weapons that have the same name after the "Mark xxx" share blessings

[queen fog]

i like considering the blitz i use when it comes to choosing keystones

i.e personally i wouldnt snag EP with brain burst cuz warp battery compliments it

[vast yew]

Warp Siphon is generally superior, as it comes with massive cooldown reduction and 24% damage, but EP has it's place.

EP BB, for example, is extremely effective at picking off gunners/shotgunners as they refund the EP charge

(EP BB also lets you hold right click forever, which is handy for pre-charging kills on specialists)

Also if you're going Scrier's Gaze then Warp Siphon is pretty terrible, so EP and DD become your only choices

[vale nacelle]

Gotcha, thank you buddy.

[exotic tulip]

Blazing spirit only level 3 right?

[willow hazel]

for staves

not for the force sword

[vast yew]

yeah for Staves it's level 3 only

[glossy ember]

scrier surge staff

always nice to see all them yellow numbers

fuck man i freaking love this build

malefic momentum makes such a difference

[untold widget]

What makes CorpulentCod think that filling my hourly store with 300-330 base rating weapons is acceptable. I don't have a single item under 370 base rating, what makes them think I'll accept any of this garbage?

[oak bluff]

Oooo surge staff build? Could you share it?… 🥺👉👈

[glossy ember]

are you ready for the forbidden knowledge

[oak bluff]

I was born ready

https://tenor.com/view/tool-band-eyes-gif-4940844

[glossy ember]

combat knife mk6 + surge staff

[oak bluff]

https://tenor.com/view/neil-degrasse-tyson-gif-4965817

[glossy ember]

a warning that you'll always perform better by going for a creeping flames build instead

[soft hinge]

which force sword is better?

[olive ember]

dies of vringe

[glossy ember]

but it's so fun

[olive ember]

look at this man

QQ canceling

might as well be exploiting smh

[glossy ember]

a guy in this match asked me if I was scripting

[olive ember]

lmao

i mean people have scripts n shit for qq canceling actually

[glossy ember]

scripting that doesn't sound too great though

lots of times you might not make it to a full charge

or you don't wanna qq cancel a bulwark or crusher for the cc

[plush jacinth]

yo am i tripping or is Rending trauma dogshit?

[olive ember]

rending trauma is 20% more damage against crushers

otherwise its basically team support

[plush jacinth]

the gameplay looks so pretty idk why lol

[olive ember]

my main greivance is this man is using a combat knife and didn't go for disrupt destiny for maximum SPEED

[plush jacinth]

like this isnt killing shit, either trauma staves are not for me or i fell off

or both

[harsh urchin]

Have you tried testing it in meat grinder

[ionic needle]

Trauma just isn't for everyone, I've literally never enjoyed playing with it

[spice veldt]

I'd only bring rending to melee maelstrom

[harsh urchin]

Because the damage falls off means you really need to hit it

[plush jacinth]

yeah, the thing like 3-4 shots anything not directly in epicenter

[harsh urchin]

If you wanna kill shit you wanna play fire trauma

Probably

[plush jacinth]

yeah probs enjoy that way more

i mean, i could also have a build thats bad for it idk

im not great w/ psyker treemaxxing

[glossy ember]

i've been told that by other people but i don't have any special graphic settings, or reshade so idk

[glossy ember]

can't use that with surge staff tho it sucks

[plush jacinth]

maybe its the ultrawide/high settings? (idk what settings u got, just guessing) 😛

[glossy ember]

i got medium settings

[static needle]

I dont have uncanny strike yet, do i replace ripose on the 367 knife first with executor from the 307 one?

[glossy ember]

mix of high and medium

might just be the ultrawide resolution

[plush jacinth]

also with fire trauma staff u reckon wildfire is a good talent? last time i was in here people were talkin like it was the weakest talent in the game
(asking anyone here)

[olive ember]

smh clearly someone hasn't TRIED HARD ENOUGH

[wooden edge]

lag and surge staff are not a good combo

i keep blowing up when i think im at like 70%

[hearty oak]

I need to use the knife more just for mobility

But I hate having no horde clearing for a melee weapon. Just a stick

[ornate hamlet]

I'd replace flesh tearer

Between the two of them, I'd much rather have a conditional critical chance increase than bleed

[untold widget]

I'd keep left as is until you get uncanny tbh

the crit will give the bleed

[plush jacinth]

oh yeah, forgot to ask; wtf is 'qq cancelling?'

[untold widget]

crying because someone didn't revive you and then blocking them in game

kidding

it's animation canceling

[plush jacinth]

cancelling what animation?

[untold widget]

I'll google it for you, I don't use it myself

[plush jacinth]

ah, dw bout googling it ill do it but ty

i got a spare moment rn

oh its literally any animation. ive never heard another game use another term for anim cancelling like the 'tide' games (seemingly the term is also present in vermintide)

[olive ember]

QQ canceling a shown in this clip

[untold widget]

seems like its basically just animation canceling with swapping weapons

[plush jacinth]

~QQ~ makes more sense now lol. i see, tyvm

[glossy ember]

i blitz cancel tho

[eager mantle]

Hadron torturing me with give run n gun and weakspot quell on my 370+ trauma staves

[glossy ember]

smh

[untold widget]

get god tier aim with LMB spam and be a warp machine gun

[plush jacinth]

realest comment

[cursive yew]

Hadron is stinky

[untold widget]

My new strat for dealing with snipers. Infiltration.

[potent zenith]

stats are decent but the rolls are trash... any recommendations for what to swap out?

[untold widget]

eesh. Sprint eff and blazing spirit for something useful

[glossy ember]

nexus over blazing spirit

[untold widget]

or eat for surge and get a better roll

[glossy ember]

and crit rate over sprint efficiency i guess, unless flak is super important

or a diff damage type

[potent zenith]

sadly no flak roll...

just the dumb unarmored roll

which woulda been useful, if actual unarmored enemies counted towards it

[untold widget]

pretty sure void one shots unarmred anyways

[potent zenith]

mhm...

guess i'll keep farming for a better staff

is this any good?

i wish the cloud radi was better

[untold widget]

eat for warp nexus unless you have 4. if you were to keep it, drop carapace for flak/maniac, and run and gun for flurry

ideally your burn and cloud would be 80

[potent zenith]

yeah, i'll just snag the warp nexu

i also have this one

[smoky mulch]

I'm trying to get my brain wrapped around smite. is it best to shock and realease to knock folks down? or do you just try to treat it as a horde weapon like the flamer staff?

is there some other ability you just HAVE to combine with it to survive/get use? does it just REQUIRE having vcenting shriek or something?

[eager mantle]

I use smite with either my voidstrike or surge with warp siphon. It's just there when the crusher, mauler or rager parties show up

Venting shriek or bubble. Whichever. Bubble is safer bet for me but shriek peril vent is nice

[smoky mulch]

you use the staff for when crushers show up? smite doesn't do shit to them, right?

[eager mantle]

I'll use my staff when there's like a crusher or mauler. If it's the conga line of 4 or more, smite is there to just hold them in place for the team

Smite locks them down

[queen fog]

yea smite aint known for its murder potential, moreso its CC ability

sure it CAN murder but its a snails crawl

[smoky mulch]

more like, fire it off to knock folks back/down then mod up with a sworde?

[eager mantle]

It's funny when the poxwalkers starting popping one after the other like popcorn

[queen fog]

i like considering it a "pause button" on whatevers in front of u

[smoky mulch]

or go full on emperror palpatine on a horde when the team needs it?

[queen fog]

Both options are good

[eager mantle]

No. Just rmb them until the problematic ones are dead from your team

But yea smite is pretty much when you need to tell the horde mixed with elites/specials to hold for a sec.

[potent zenith]

i use smite purely for cc

i know it wont kill, but it sure helps stall for those precious seconds

[eager mantle]

Quick smite lmb will also fuck with the dogs

[potent zenith]

yeah

and

it helps with the bursters

[lethal lagoon]

I mean you can also just kill the dog....

[smoky mulch]

is empowered psyonics worth trying to get down into? vs the warp siphon? I feel like last time I tried empower it just never seemed to activate.

[vale nacelle]

Best ran with warp siphon for maximum duration. Venting shriek/flameshriek is nice to give you a quick AoE option and ability to dump peril while channeling for extended duration.

TLDR: smite when it holds a whole screen of hefty targets still. Otherwise, use a staff.

[eager mantle]

Oh you.

[eager mantle]

It'll activate but only really worth imo for BB or Assail

[lethal lagoon]

Devoting your entire existence to stunning a dog is questionable tactics. I assume anyone who made their way onto the discord can hold their own, but anytime I pub with a smitker, I feel like it's a 3 man game.

[eager mantle]

"Just kill the thing" oh wow never though of that before

[potent zenith]

it helps with the dogs come in packs

and everyone is out of nades

[lethal lagoon]

Well that's not LMBing one dog is it

[eager mantle]

I said it's a quick push on the dog. Not killing the dog and devoting all your time with smite to the dog

[potent zenith]

smite helps controlling the pack when they get wise

it got me through some auric heresy

[smoky mulch]

I took it more as a "and if you're already using smite, remember it can fuck with dogs"

[potent zenith]

i mean damnation

[smoky mulch]

not "get it cause it fucks with dogs"

[potent zenith]

i remember it can go through a thick horde and pop bursters

helps with 4 come through

and bullets cant get through the lot

and while it may be unpopular, i sometimes enjoy going psyker+gun

[quartz barn]

tbh the only times bursters or dogs are a problem is when the team is bad

[lethal lagoon]

Gunker is pretty mainstream these days

Smite seems like it makes up for a bad team, but that just means even less DPS than you already have if you are making up for a bad team with smite spam.

[smoky mulch]

yea. I feel like the only reason I wouldn't do that often, is half the reason I play psyker is for a different play style.

[quartz barn]

even then, smite stops being useful at heresy

[smoky mulch]

trhat said, what gat are you finding handy on psykers these days?

[quartz barn]

much rather have more killing power than stuns

[lethal lagoon]

Smite, flaming shriek, perilous combustion combined has the potential for being the highest DPS in super high density moments on Auric maels.

[quartz barn]

esp when psyker is so strong

[lethal lagoon]

Otherwise, meh.

[potent zenith]

i go vraks, cuz fuck snipers

and sometimes my vet doesnt have the range

[eager mantle]

"Skill that stuns entire crusher and rager conga lines with the horde on all sides? Trash skill. Completely useless above heresy"

[lethal lagoon]

Columbus is the clear meta cause of crit strings, but a lot of things work.

[quartz barn]

ye because having a vet makes crushers a non issue

or voidstrike

or trauma that just stunlocks them

or ogryn / zealot stagger

or zealot just onehits anyway

[blazing echo]

I pub mostly. Can't rely on any of those to reasons

[lethal lagoon]

Stuns ragers, melee goes in, you get hit in the back by random trickle poxwalker so smite ends, melee get's hit when they otherwise wouldn't.

If you pub all the more so you shouldn't smite spam.

[blazing echo]

I mean it's certainly an opinion. Not one I'm gonna listen to tho

[smoky mulch]

anyone remember if the ranged damage boost in psyker trees applies to smites? or just staff/gun?

[vale creek]

this is so sad

[eager mantle]

Obviously a smite user can never have good positioning

[lethal lagoon]

Well sure, if you are a top tier player, but then why are you smite spamming when you could be doing infinitely more with every other playstyle?

I mean if you enjoy it sure

But don't argue it's optimal

[eager mantle]

"You see if you're just a god gamer like me and never make mistakes and never at the will of variables it's a trash skill"

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

?

I just think spamming it or using it as singular stunning tool is bad.

[eager mantle]

I don't even use smite on my loadouts a lot. It's really dumb talking this way

That isn't what you said

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message
#psyker-class message

?

#psyker-class message

[lethal lagoon]

What's wrong with it?

The carpace?

[vale creek]

the ammo

holds like 300

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, I guess. Just steal more ammo 🙂

[vale creek]

yeaaaa

[opal pebble]

^

[lethal lagoon]

Oh why ghost. Is the new pistol too slow to keep up emphatic evasion reasonably enough?

[vale creek]

smite is for if u wan to use left and right side of the tree here

[vale creek]

couldnt find any more useful skill

[lethal lagoon]

Ah, DumDum is usually the play.

Makes sense

[vale creek]

how close is close range?

could be not bad agains ragers

and muties

[lethal lagoon]

15m I think?

Or was it 8m, either way, it's pretty noticeable.

[vale creek]

yeah ive just reblessed

gonna try that too

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I mean you get the stacks anyways, so it's always ready to be dum.

[magic wind]

Is this good sir far?

[bleak tulip]

both the perk and blessing are dog

[smoky mulch]

alright, how lucky did I just get? this seems pretty dope, but I've been out of the psyker game a while.

[bleak tulip]

rending is very good

yo ucan probably run this when you change both perks

[magic wind]

I feel like there’s a little bias here but I’ll believe you haha

[bleak tulip]

I would never lie

[echo island]

nah he right

[smoky mulch]

stamina changed out for sure. what would ya'll put in the 2 perks? carapace and flack?

[echo island]

sounds good

[bleak tulip]

flak maniac probs

def flak

[smoky mulch]

is trauma already pretty beefy against carapace?

[echo island]

carapace is situational, depends on what u run for Blitz

if already runny brain rupture then theres no need for carapace

or just run one of the force sword that does huge single target damage

Psyker as a whole has more tools to deal with carapace than other classes

Sometimes I even run vs Infested to spam into hordes

[smoky mulch]

in the short run, I'll be running it with the smite build, and ilissi, but it'll probably go over onto a brain burst build to get more use there than anywhere. I'll just change stamina to flack and see how it feels on a few runs before I change it any more.

[echo island]

tbh I run trauma with assail

assail for the lighter targets while trauma for the heavier ones

[smoky mulch]

assail is almost to good. I get the job done, but I don't have as much fun as I want. so I tend not to play with it any more.

[echo island]

understandable

I play dam so every advantage is appriciated

[smoky mulch]

that said, I don't "lose" the the ability to use it with assail. so it'll get fielded with that some point too.

[echo island]

Oh man the new Kantrael Heavy las works so well with Scriers Gaze

low reload time, great headshot damage etc, its pretty much ideal

[plush jacinth]

what blessings yall prefer on ur voids?

cant decide if warp nexus is worth replacing surge/flurry

i dont know how effective surge is mainly

[hot zephyr]

Just confirming: Does block efficiency reduce the peril generated by blocking with kinetic deflection?

[plush jacinth]

hmm...

my rolls today are goofy

[potent zenith]

and still i roll poopy

[plush jacinth]

how reliable of a source do u want? cus i ctrl+f this chat for it and get this
#psyker-class message

it seems like it does from a surface glance

but could be totally wrong

[fossil crag]

Is Fatshark ever going to give us a beam staff?

[hot zephyr]

I mean, the KD talent directly says 25% of the stam cost. So I would assume if you reduce the stam cost with block eff, you'd be affecting the calculation

[orchid shadow]

Yes

[plush jacinth]

makes sense to me

i dont do calculations. i mainly play ogryn

[hot zephyr]

Yeah like I don't need definitive proof or anything. I just noticed that block eff is not included in the tier-list for the athenum on curio perks so I wasn't sure if it worked or was good.

[primal ravine]

thoughts on crit fire staff?

[echo island]

its good

You dont have many option for blessing on fire staff anyways

[primal ravine]

Good that's what I thought too

[lethal lagoon]

There's really no other option.

crit = 2 stacks so 🤷‍♂️

Plus infinite emphatic evasion

[primal ravine]

Well I'm glad now cause I don't thinkI wouldve the patience to build another staff this high

I'm still debating the bonus damage to unyelding units tho

[lethal lagoon]

Flak is the usual option

[primal ravine]

which units are flak?

[lethal lagoon]

Flak ragers, both shotgunners, some gun bois. You can check in the psych by shooting em with a gun in the body.

Maniac is also a good option

Covers the other ragers, flame bois.

Mutants too technically, but purg doesn't do much to those.

[quasi junco]

I think maniac is only the dreg ragers

[lethal lagoon]

dreg ragers, both flamethrowers, mutants.

Nets too

[smoky mulch]

update: I have stunned the fuck out of dogs with smite. 😛

[lethal lagoon]

.<

Was it specifically one dog with lmb smite?

[smoky mulch]

yes. on multiple occasions.

the prophesy has been fulfilled

again, it's neat. but dropping a charged smite on them would have been an arguably better play. it was just handy already having smite

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/vader-noooo-gif-4825231

But also

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[smoky mulch]

yea, it's interesting. my trauma staff was definitely the MVP vs the smite. but the smite was handy. I went to ilisi for hordes more than the smite though. I just smited when my team was already dug in on a mob.

[keen wharf]

Hullo! Any recommendations for a melee Pysker?

I'm having pretty much fun going Psyker... And, well, some talents look pretty well for melee but I'm not sure

[lethal lagoon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a94f3b6-cc85-4880-b4b9-3f1a022c4218/lolpsyker

[primal ravine]

I think melee psyker are more of a "fun" build rather than meta build tbf

[lethal lagoon]

Kind of a meme, but watching the person who made the build run melee psyker is pretty hilarious.

Hilarious as in hilarious at how effective it seems to be

Dueling sword mk4 is just so dumb OP

[smoky mulch]

I've had the most fun with ilisi (sp?) force swords for psyker close combat. but I feel like there's more oomph to squeaze out of some of the other weapons that I'm just no good with.

[keen wharf]

That's the reason! I know it can be very good in the right hands (not mine) but yeah, I'm looking to have fun with Psyker

[lethal lagoon]

I mean what difficulty are you looking to run melee on?

[primal ravine]

I'd go the right keystone rather than the middle one for a melee build eprsonally

[keen wharf]

Don't get angry at me, okay? Auric Damnation

[primal ravine]

yeah I'd probably hate you if I were to meet you in game at that point

[keen wharf]

Oh well, that's the difficult I usually play, but rn I'm going Heresy bcs I'm still lvling up my Psyker

[digital narwhal]

Okay so uh...

New Combat Knife is awesome

I love it

It's not limited to 2 targets per attack.

[keen wharf]

The one with the Cleave heavy attack?

[lethal lagoon]

That's what I ran.

[digital narwhal]

Yeah

[lethal lagoon]

Still top frag on auric t5s. I try not to use assail unless I did something stupid.

[digital narwhal]

but the push attack is also cracked

[lethal lagoon]

Otherwise it's all melee

[digital narwhal]

Mk VI Knife push attack is dumb

[keen wharf]

I see, tyty! I will give it a try when I get my Psyker to lvl 30

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, if you are below 30, you can do a melee build with Illy force sword pretty easily.

Just run through the level

[ivory wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/joe-pesci-what-the-fuck-wtf-wtf-is-that-what-the-fuck-is-this-gif-24937450

[digital narwhal]

It's got great single target damage, it's a forward stab and so it's easy to aim at enemy heads, and it's got big cleave

[digital narwhal]

That's a good Staff, tf you on about?

Oh wait

this is the Wolf that blocked me because he was wrong about something

[smoky mulch]

there's a new combat knoofe with a cleave heavy attack?

[digital narwhal]

Ye

[keen wharf]

Yeah, tried in the meat grinder and it was awesome... But 2h chainsword is just something else for me

[smoky mulch]

will definitly need to try that out.

[lethal lagoon]

Aww, I thought he was a troll. That's less funny.

Though tbf that staff does have low burn.

[digital narwhal]

Nah he's just an idiot

[digital narwhal]

Tbf, they're only missing 1 stack

It's still great

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, which is what I told em

Oh btw, do you use weapon custom for sights on the columbus?

[digital narwhal]

Yes

I use the Brauto sight

It's super clean

[lethal lagoon]

Is your's bugged too?

Also will try that sight

It doesn't show hits when I add a custom sight.

[digital narwhal]

In what sense?

[digital narwhal]

Ahhhh

That's for new weapons iirc

[lethal lagoon]

That's weird, it was doing it for the columbus.

[digital narwhal]

Weird

You got Crosshair Remap?

[lethal lagoon]

Noppers

Anyways, he updated it again today, so maybe it's fine.

[rapid plinth]

What level should be for heresy? And what’s the the best blitz for heresy+ im using assail rn?

[lethal lagoon]

I'll try again.

difficulty is more about experience than lvls. So if it's your first ever character, I'd start at 20-25.

Maybe even wait till 30

Losing isn't a big deal, and it usually queues you with people around your lvl anyways.

[quasi junco]

I meant rager wise 😛

[lethal lagoon]

That's what I said though?

In the original

[quasi junco]

You did. I’ll buy you a beer.

[lethal lagoon]

[quasi junco]

🍻

[strong gulch]

bomber

[lethal lagoon]

Bomber is flaky yes.

I always forget if that boi is flak or maniac.

[strong gulch]

U know what. Same.

Neither of us got the brain cell.

[lethal lagoon]

[quasi junco]

Isn’t bomber unarmored?

[harsh urchin]

They changed it recently iirc

Unarmored head and arms, flak body

[strong gulch]

He stands next to maniac armor. So hit anything around him i the meat grinder and you'll see maniac near him.

[digital narwhal]

Ye

[quasi junco]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-why-so-serious-serious-gif-11972349

wtf Fatshark is never simple

[ornate hamlet]

so what makes the wide sweeping force sword so good?

[vestal fulcrum]

It's convenient

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like that answered your own question

[spice veldt]

the special

[ornate hamlet]

The charge attack? Should I be spamming it or charge into spamming lights

[spice veldt]

spam specials

if you can afford the space and peril, and there is a sufficient density of enemies, spam the special

[ornate hamlet]

I haven't played in a hot minute so a lot of stuff feels different

It feels like they curb stomped my poor baby voidstrike

[spice veldt]

use the illisi like vet's psword

[lethal lagoon]

Unlike the power sword, the normal light atk still cleans up horde too if you use slaughter.

If it crits once or twice it can shred a mutant pretty quick too.

[quasi junco]

Spamming lights is much safer

[ornate hamlet]

I'm guessing they've given voidstrike a few nerfs since the change release?

[vestal fulcrum]

Voidstrike has only been nerfed once so far IIRC

[quasi junco]

No VS is still good

[vestal fulcrum]

It's still very good if you have space

[spice veldt]

sure, but what would illisi's value over the other force swords be if you're just going to spam normals

if you're not going to spam the special, just use the deimos instead

[lethal lagoon]

Ehhh, strong disagree. Illy light attacks are great.

[spice veldt]

good thing they're mostly the same on the deimos

[lethal lagoon]

But yeah, if you aren't in danger, need to charge atk special for maximum DPS.

[ornate hamlet]

Do people use deflector on the force swords?

[lethal lagoon]

That little poke makes it awkward for spamming horde clear.

[quasi junco]

It has better lights for hordes. I use Deimos for purg when I need it for crushers

[spice veldt]

but no one cares about the lack of cleave on the poke

[vestal fulcrum]

IDK how are people allowing me to deal that much damage during a run

[spice veldt]

it's one attack, and the main benefit of force sword light has always been the fact that they're fast and have a good damage (base dmg/weakspot multiplier)

[vestal fulcrum]

(this was HiSTG)

[spice veldt]

people are vastly overestimating the benefit of cleave of the sweeping lights compared to the poke

[quasi junco]

Charging force swords takes 1,345 years

I don’t like it

[spice veldt]

it takes ~0,7s seconds

[lethal lagoon]

Okay, but that other guy picked up 420 plasteel. Damage is temporary, platsteel is forever.

[spice veldt]

sure, you don't have to like it

but it's not optimal

[quasi junco]

Literal years

[spice veldt]

if you're using the illisi for whatever, that's fine

[vestal fulcrum]

Aye, there is some merit in that

[lethal lagoon]

Top damage only counts if you are top plasteel, sorry mate, those are the rules.

[vestal fulcrum]

I can't get up to speed with my plasteel game when there's so many heretics to kill

[signal rune]

Is it me, or did they nerf the psyker's shard abilities?

[lethal lagoon]

yeah, twice.

[vestal fulcrum]

Also I can't reasonably outrun a Zealot

[signal rune]

NOOOOO

Why

[lethal lagoon]

I mean it's still OP af

[signal rune]

We could clear entire hordes before

[quasi junco]

Psword vs Illisi isn’t even close with power cycler lol

[spice veldt]

not close, but you're using the illisi like patch 12 mk3 psword nevertheless

i only referenced the psword as a way of using the illisi

not as a comparison

[spice veldt]

and my answers were with respect to this question

with the implication that we were comparing between force swords or other psyker melees

sweeping lights (4.5 cleave)

light stab (1.5 cleave)

[quasi junco]

Spamming lights with Illisi has yet to fail me lol

[spice veldt]

the lights suffer some sharp falloff when cleaving multiple targets, especially because you can't take advantage of one of fsword's advantages (high weakspot)

yes

i'm not saying it doesn't work

just that if you had the choice to choose between the different force swords

and if you were just going to spam the normals

there's not much of a reason to choose the illisi over the deimos

for hordeclear, the difference between illisi and deimos lights is not that much

[quasi junco]

Illlisi has better lights for trash

I like Deimos for the H2 on elites

[spice veldt]

deimos has three lights that are sweeping lights

[ornate hamlet]

oh force swords also don't have unlimited dodges anymore?

[spice veldt]

the only different thing is the deimos's light stab

you are vastly overestimating the effect of illisi's lights being horizontal

[vestal fulcrum]

They don't.

It's for the better, maybe

[magic wind]

How am I meant to use a void strike staff?

[vapid lichen]

left click is gun
right click is rocket launcher

[harsh urchin]

Shoot stuff

Hit head

Everything dies

[magic wind]

:D

[digital narwhal]

Charge up RMB

Shoot

Kill 7 Shotgunners

Win

[untold widget]

How do you reckon the percentage split is for Psyker's who use melee for trash vs warp damage for trash?

[digital narwhal]

1:99

[broken olive]

Is there someting to this penance that i dont know? I could swear i spend 80% of the mission on full warp charges

[vestal fulcrum]

Maybe 1:10, based on some of my scoreboards, but I don't exactly play melees that excel at swarm clear

I take Deimos for big forehead bonks

[orchid shadow]

Unless they fixed it, the text is incorrect and can't be done on Malice.

[broken olive]

I just did a High Intensity Heresy mission and didnt get it

[untold widget]

I'm just curious if the percentage split would be the same for people who prefer illisi over D4 or Deimos

[orchid shadow]

Hmm, not sure then. Only things of note I recall on it is that it has to be Heresy+.

[mild junco]

Because Assail could do absolutely everything for free ?

[digital narwhal]

Because it was overtuned asf?

[patent hatch]

Don't take the 6 warp battery

[digital narwhal]

People were also using it as a primary resource when it's intended to be used as a secondary resource to reduce ammo drag on Gun Psyker

[magic wind]

Is this staff good?

[broken olive]

Yeah i dont have that skill, only got 4

[patent hatch]

just get it

constant brain burst

[hearty oak]

histg helps with upkeep

[broken olive]

So i should take the 6 charges?

[hearty oak]

No

[broken olive]

Yall confuse me

[hearty oak]

Unless you need the 6 charges. you can do the 4 charges easily in a shock trooper gauntlet

or hi intensity. Or even do a flame staff build and just keep charges rolling in

[broken olive]

Ive been using the knives, they seem to do great sofar

[digital narwhal]

4 charges makes it easier

It's up way sooner

[lethal lagoon]

Oh you don't need 6 charges anymore?

[patent hatch]

never needed to

[hasty spear]

Do I just put a tier 4 surge and warp nexus on this or use a different void staff?

[white wolf]

mannnnnn.... ugh

[compact onyx]

hadron given me enough bricks to build a house lmao

[rose dagger]

How...

Did you get a tier I on a 379

[compact onyx]

I got it as is with t1

I was hoping to get something good later

[rose dagger]

Hmm... Maybe live with the perks and switch the blessings

Got maniac at least

[compact onyx]

true I'll just put this to the side and go blessing hunting

[fading depot]

20% vs maniacs is fine

[opal gyro]

Is Focused Channelling important for any of the staffs or should I not bother trying to get it

[stone plover]

Bruh either I'm bad or this Warp Battery Penance is bugged. Can I get some advice?

I feel like I have full warp charges for the majority of the mission but I've made no progress.

[celest wedge]

yeah ive noticed that tooo

[fading depot]

It could be you need the base, unupgraded warp charges from having no talents

Like how Ogryns had to use the base box instead of the upgraded box

[stone plover]

so I need an unupgraded warp charge?

[fading depot]

Idk

I did that penance last november

[stone plover]

Proud of you.

[fading depot]

i am the best

but try it

it might work

I had to do my ogryn box penance with only 9 talents

[vast yew]

Alright, what do we think: do I swap the 4% crit chance to Maniacs, or keep the crit and upgrade the Flurry to level 4?

[vapid lichen]

im kinda late but it has to be 300 seconds consecutively iirc

[broken olive]

[vapid lichen]

so if u dont do it on something like histg u dont have enough enemies to feed u warp charges

[lethal lagoon]

Can also try purg staff on an hi int or auric magi. The beginning area + event is both populated enough and might last long enough.

[bright mica]

I'd honestly keep crit

Purgatus benefits loads from crit, Maniac will mainly help you with the occasional Rager and not by much tbf

Warp Flurry meanwhile will also be a small but consistent boost

[vast yew]

Well, it helps enough vs. Flak that I can do a full channel on the Dreg Rager, then do a full channel on the Flak Rager and the Flak Rager dies first :/

think I am going to keep crit though

[fading depot]

yeah definitely

[stone plover]

Wait I swear someone told me it didn't have to be?

[dark stag]

is this worth it?

[fading depot]

Yeah it has to be 300 seconds in a row

My bad I thought it was just bugged for you

[stone plover]

Now it makes more sense

[fading depot]

if you're on a budget yes

[stone plover]

yeah I'll have to do high int

[fading depot]

honestly do any shock troop hi int and you'll probably get it no problem

[digital narwhal]

Gun Psyker on top, baby

[full oracle]

Any recommended leveling builds for t4/t5?

Smite/bubble?

[digital narwhal]

Assail
Venting Shriek

Assail is stronk, and Venting Shriek will make sure you don't 'splode

[full oracle]

Okay, thank you. Thats what im currently using but only playing t3, pskyer will be my last to 30

Wanna do t4/t5 for more mats

and xp

[untold widget]

Melk's gift to me this evening

probably gonna nuke it for FT4

low pen? get out of my face

[static needle]

Do you want 3+ stamina curio for psyker with catachan 6 knife?

[untold widget]

at least

maybe even two, that push stab rips things apart

[static needle]

oh so thats why

you want it...

[untold widget]

also for tha S P E E D

[cedar shore]

really enjoying wall shield, wonder why not as much people are using it.

[fresh reef]

so I was just doing some quickplay standard damnation for plasteel, and I found a psyker who was just having a very not good day

props to him for not ragequitting though

[untold widget]

did his mouse batteries die or something?

jesus

my mans out here just ignoring the block and dodge functions

[fresh reef]

tbf, he was level 23

weapons all sub 300 base rating, not great curios

chainsword/surge/smite/bubble, but like

cmon man it's low intensity hunting grounds

[untold widget]

oh chainsword

that makes more sense

[fresh reef]

how so? I thought chainsword was a solid weapon

[untold widget]

sure, but getting animation locked is rough if you're not good at timing

[fresh reef]

also worth mentioning, this guy spammed his staff m1

like egregiously

anything that moved I saw a blue orb flying at it

such a strange fella

[fresh reef]

you can dodge out of it though, no?

[echo turtle]

With the new director, due to stuff shooting at you from every direction the bubble just always works and gives the toughness Regen.

Wall shields are great, but less so when getting attacked from multiple angles

How os the new chainsword and updated old for the psyker rn?

The new ones lights seem awkward but also directed at weakspots, could be decent with scriers

[fresh reef]

Bubble is for making a no-man's land area useable against ranged units, and wall is for making a chokepoint practically impenetrable

[slow zephyr]

I like where wall and bubble are at, both have their uses

[thorn birch]

what are good blessings for voidstrike? been running warp nexus and the one thay drains peril on weakspot hit and its been fine, but I'd like to hear other opinions

[fresh reef]

Surge Blessing really elevates Void to its meta status. Run it with Nexus

[thorn birch]

righto, ill see if I can roll a surge sometime

[hasty spear]

flak/crit chance good for perks for it?

[fresh reef]

Ya

[hasty spear]

have one with 65% quell speed and high everything else or ir quell speed needed?

[fresh reef]

Though if you run True Aim I'd go for Flak/Unarmored

[fresh reef]

65 quell speed is fine

And if you take Warp Charges you get practically 80% quell anyhow

[hasty spear]

I have another one with tier 4 surge and 15% flak but low resistance that i havent rerolled anything on

[spark crystal]

Was that updated to actually use the charged blast and not the pew pew uncharged?

[rich rose]

I run two different voidstrikes for specific builds, everything is V4, of course ....one is Surge and Transfer Peril

Thats my Assail build

[fresh reef]

Surge has always functioned for both attacks on Void

Trauma's the one that only works on the m1

[spark crystal]

Trauma main whistles innocently

[rich rose]

My "normal" everyday Void is the typical Nexus/Flurry

[hasty spear]

does anyone have a build for voidstrike with surge and nexus?

[untold widget]

I like true aim

[digital narwhal]

Push attack is dumb fr

It's got cleave and single target damage

[untold widget]

and the speed

its

so

fast

[digital narwhal]

Veterans look at what Psykers can do with it using their almost instant stamina regen start up

and they weep

[untold widget]

I will say

i have to work out the best attack patterns to use

sometimes I'll go for a heavy after spamming lights and it's the stab when I want the sweep

[rich rose]

I did, I prefer Transfer Peril

[warm inlet]

Yo dudes

[hasty spear]

dont have that unlocked at tier 4 atm

[warm inlet]

Running a Manifest Destiny build with Surge staff but my Devil's Claw is performing very poorly. Anyone have any ideas?

It's struggling to down Dreg Bruisers and barely keeps up with hordes of poxers/groaners.

Scab Bruisers melt, though

And the parry oneshots Ragers

[spark crystal]

Parrying an overhead mauler strike and auto stabbing him is hilarious

[warm inlet]

It is. 😄

[spark crystal]

I cant escape power and dueling swords tho on psyker. 😮

[warm inlet]

I rolled a really nice Mk V and I always feel weaker when I'm not using it.

Riposte 3 and Shred 3 as natural upgrades

+5% crit too

[fresh reef]

Come join us in the knife cult, we have cookies

[spark crystal]

I found the destiny build pisses me off.... i want the 30 stacks but Fk me fatshark doesnt want to make blue enemies available frequently enough and in range within every 15 seconds...

the base duration of stacks should either be improved or take lessons from warp charges.

[warm inlet]

Destiny annoys me when it highlights four different enemies across a short time frame, then settles on the Mauler in the middle of a pack of Crushers.

Or when it picks a shooter off in the distance over the poxers in my face.

[fresh reef]

DD stacks need to fall off one at a time or there's no reason to run it over WC most of the time

[spark crystal]

Dont forget when it moves from the guy you just shot at, to the guy about to die to teammate 3 bodies over.

[warm inlet]

God, yeah. It's so glitchy.

But when you get up to 30 stacks with a Dueling sword or DDeimos

Oh man. The power.

[spark crystal]

I had a pub team one time so aware of DD that the zealots were dodge cancelling their swings to move around blue targets and run by, leaving it for me to kill o.O

Sometimes the rando lobby is good.

[warm inlet]

Does it show up for other players?

I always thought it didn't.

[mighty minnow]

What’s the best staff for psyker and what’s the best lasgun for them?

I already got my force sword fully maxed with the perks I want

[fresh reef]

Every staff is viable and good, generally acatran laspistol performs best

[spark crystal]

You know ur gonna get the "play what you like" answers to questions like that lol. You gotta sayw hat you wanna do with it to get areal debate on "best"

[mighty minnow]

Yeah I’m just debating you know

I really like both staffs and lasguns

I’m not much of a ballistic weapon guy

[fresh reef]

Both? There's four staves

[mighty minnow]

I meant as in all the staves and lasguns

[fresh reef]

Ah, mb

[mighty minnow]

I personally like the automatic recon lasrifle

I just think it’s super neat

[fresh reef]

Recon Las feels like a cheap plastic mass produced piece of garbage in the best possible way

[half iron]

recon las more like recon lame
it’s not the stub‼️💯

[spark crystal]

Trauma great cc and reasonable dmg/ flexible if paired with a range option (bb/assail).
Purgatus more reliable for horde and boss burn but needs help with crusher/bulwark.
Surge reworked into single target monster and mini 3 enemy CC machine - needs aoe support assail/melee for chaff
Voidstrike is solid if you are comfortable aiming while dodge dancing to clear large hordes / elites / specials and stagger.

[rich rose]

^ This

[spark crystal]

Just dont tell Hahnda i have hundreds of hours on psyker without knowing rightclick was copied by surge blessing on void ... trauma main continues whistling

[rich rose]

HATE Trauma

[hasty spear]

anyone down to help me with malleus monstronum?

[quick shard]

for the curio should I focus health or toughness?

[half iron]

trauma is cool asf if you don’t have someone in your ear telling you how ass it is

[violet oak]

Whats the objective

[feral verge]

Toughness

[quick shard]

is 20% the highest i can get?

[feral verge]

No

[spark crystal]

Use it for 100 hours straight and you will fail to find a situation in close -> mid range it does not solve for you or a team lol.

[feral verge]

Max toughness on curio is 17% + 5% perk

Max hp on curio is 21% + 5% on perk

I recommend having atleast 150 toughness on all classes

Including psyker

[spark crystal]

@rich rose - I carry the Indignitus Mk IVe Crusher (2 handed mauler stick with spikes) on zealot and have dubbed it a model of trauma staff where the explosion goes off at the end of the stick and i refuse to stop calling psykers "sibling"

[fresh reef]

Kid named corrugated stairs

[spark crystal]

You forgot its not 1 guy.. its twin brothers -> downward stairs no problem.

I get you tho, its a frustration one learns to work around.

[half iron]

i like it when the sword twin fights me

[spark crystal]

got a fun answer to sword twin ?

[fresh reef]

Hitting a crusher because you barely get the reticle on a single step of stairs is peak satisfaction

[half iron]

fight him with my weapon
my weapon made for fighting
the weapon that fights

[lunar hollow]

my 80 toughness ogryn build is saving games. u just dont realize it.

[feral verge]

Yeah, just est the whole medcrate for the team

Big carry moment

[lunar hollow]

u guys get to watch me feast

[feral verge]

Saves the team from overdosing

[lunar hollow]

course

[half iron]

i eat

[spark crystal]

@fresh reef - If the right click is copied on void with surge blessing, and the first sphere collides/kills armor -- the second sphere continues through unabated ?

[fresh reef]

If it kills, yeah

[spark crystal]

Thats pretty damn nifty.

[fresh reef]

It's a little absurd

A little over 2000 damage on a crit

And it staggers bosses if you land a weakspot hit

[spark crystal]

Ironically i started playing with other staves because a tiny buff to trauma led to too many other psykers playing it beside me that i lost my feeling of uniquness lol.

It only takes one "UR MA GURD" streamer video to move 500 ppl to try what you like xD

[frigid olive]

and here I am still trying to decide how I wanna play

[half iron]

stub revolver

[spark crystal]

My only advice for those who like to be "support players" ... have at least 1 selfish build in case too many people want to be "the support guy" and you lose cuz 4 ppl are crowd controlling and pissed that everyone else isnt killing.

Be the solution.

[half iron]

all my builds are selfish. psykers matter more

[frigid olive]

scriers so I can be as aggressive as possible

[spark crystal]

I like to play the utility pretty often. Builds that may/maynot be best at something but will absolutely have SOMETHING that helps with EVERYTHING.

I dont like director figuring out something the team cant deal with and smashing that button till we're dead.

[half iron]

i need more battles, john god-emperor.

[mighty minnow]

Which one is better accatran laspistol or the kaentrel laspistol

[untold widget]

haven't used the new one yet, but from what I understand it's slower firing and harder hitting

[ornate hamlet]

"Support builds" are one of the biggest plagues in this game

People have the MMO brainrot of sacrificing their own ability to do basic things to hyperfocus on a single role

[untold widget]

I don't mind a support psyker. Smite and Rending Trauma with a melee you're comfortable and capable with? Keeps your braindead teammates alive

[ornate hamlet]

I mean, the brainrot on its own isn't a problem, because people can believe the earth is flat and be fine

But when they start going "no, you need to play a support build too because this a team game and you're hindering your team" in the most pretentiously angry tone possible

I just feel like telling them to open their ass really wide and sit on a cactus

[potent echo]

What a time to come into psyker chat

[untold widget]

in other news

[ornate hamlet]

People spamming smite have covered my ass a couple times, but I'll not want them demanding others play psyker like that because it's the only way to benefit the team or something

Shit like people saying if you don't get X ability or Y aura you're throwing the match

[untold widget]

I got this from a mission

[ornate hamlet]

Or those two idiots yesterday that started calling me racial slurs and screeching on the microphone about them just absolutely needing a microphone for auric and that I'm being the asshole of the situation for saying it's not necessary

[untold widget]

trying to decide what else to swap

I mean, I like a mic as much as anyone

but if you don't wanna talk and don't die a lot

its fine

[ornate hamlet]

It my wi-fi is swift and my aim is true, I'll pull anyone through a hi5stg with any class on my daringly selfish builds

Because turns out having a teammate capable of standing on their own means they struggle less and die less

I can kill elites with my dueling sword, specials with my revolver, hordes with my sword and assail and things turn out fine

Turns out I don't need bloodthirsty illisi + crit purgatus + assail + idfk what else to do well at hordes

I talk a lot about this kind of stuff because unfortunately there are people trying to push the mentality on others

Not that I'm saying any of those are present here, but it's just something that gets me a bit... passionate, I suppose

[jovial zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-eat-lava-minecraft-kitty-kitten-lava-gif-12699880907047808909

[warm inlet]

And are these mentality pushers in the room with us now?

[potent echo]

Yes

[warm inlet]

Well fuck, rev up the chainswords.

[potent echo]

Purg staff needs buffs🙏

[hearty oak]

Honestly if people didn't have such a bad reputation of being a douche or non team player then the selfish builds do come in nicely. ||except stealth knife builds||

[mighty cipher]

Does it though?

[vocal cliff]

Stealth knife builds are an absolute coin toss when matching with one

[ornate hamlet]

If I take my meds I don't have any demons to fight

tbh I half-understand people's hostile perception towards muh damage builds

[untold widget]

well nobody pushed any mentality with my lasgun question, so I'ma assume it's trash and I should nuke it

[ornate hamlet]

it's easy to see a vet with a shout, your toughness bar turns yellow and you go "yeah, this guy is supporting me"

it's harder to see if the guy who backstabbed a hidden gunner didn't just save a guy from getting caught off-guard and going down to a mass of staggering shots

it looks the same on the killfeed and people have 3/4 of their surroundings not on their screen

[worn cypress]

a part of it is probs like, vet with shout and ammo aura can feel useful to the slightest even if they can barely play the game

[ornate hamlet]

they can't tell if something behind them that just saved the entire game did or didn't just happen

[compact onyx]

got this as a emp's gift should I just get the blessing rn or just consencrate it for later

[mighty cipher]

I’ve never had an issue with people complaining about sheer offense. Now… speed builds or having multiple BRs/Ammo hungry builds…

[untold widget]

You're implying that someone actively goes after gunners and I don't have to staff them to death

which is a lie

[ornate hamlet]

Well, depends on the match

[untold widget]

yeah take the blessing

[worn cypress]

like theres a skill floor where you help somewhat to the game and auras and shit makes the floor to be as low as dont die

[ornate hamlet]

It's harder for me to see other people's ability to kill gunners, for example, if I'm the one most aggressive towards them

[worn cypress]

the floor for a stealth zealot to help is much higher

[ornate hamlet]

I can't gauge someone's ability to kill specials if I am sweating on the revolver

[worn cypress]

so when one queues the dice roll for this person helping me is at much lower odds

for example

[untold widget]

I always notice because when I stop killing them to focus on mass enemy deletion, which I take to be my job as a psyker, then they get to free-fire for 20 minutes

[worn cypress]

I dunno psykers are pretty reliable specials deleter as well

[untold widget]

same with bombers. If I had a dollar for every time a bomber has thrown 5+ grenades when I'm backed into a corner by a pack of elites, because the vets are busy meleeing 6 poxwalkers at a time as they trickle in, I'd be able to buy a house in this economy

[worn cypress]

lol yeah

[mighty cipher]

”Can you mfs kill ONE MAULER without me!?”
-Me, trying to play a low level psyker for more marks

[worn cypress]

or the vets are busy shooting what you’re brainbursting

[untold widget]

they can't help it

[worn cypress]

despite 5 more other gunners to pick from

[untold widget]

their one brain cell is desperately seeking a mate, and that brain burst glow looks just like one

[mighty cipher]

I’d love to take your side but I will say that the BR indicator isn’t the easiest to see when the game shits out 400 enemies at a time.

[untold widget]

then why do they, without fail, always shoot that exact target

in the middle of those 400 enemies

because the brain burst glow is ALL THEY SEE

[worn cypress]

but yeah idc if other people are meleeing as long as they know how to herd the horde and let me goddamn stand while I kill the specials

[mighty cipher]

Because you’re both good players and thus share the same target priority.

[worn cypress]

^

[untold widget]

thats when I pull out the EP brain burst and hold a free-peril RMB and just move it from gunner to gunner

make them kill what I want them to kill

like a laser pointer with a cat

[bleak tulip]

its not even that, its just very easy for the brain to react to new stimuli, you can observe this so fuckin clearly when playing vet with the middle keystone (the yellow mark one), people INSTANTLY snap their aim to that target if its in their view its so obvious

same goes with BB marker

[worn cypress]

I tend to kinda prioritize specials in a harder to shoot position too, hoping that others get the easy ones just standing out in the open

but blue bubble must shoot

[bleak tulip]

vets dont deliberately aim for your BB marks, they just react

[untold widget]

I just pre-charge my brain bursts and insta-pop what I'm trying to kill

[bleak tulip]

you probably do it yourself, try and notice it the next time

[untold widget]

I don't play vet

but yeah probably

[bleak tulip]

doesnt matter what you play

everyone does it on all classes tbh

[mighty cipher]

It’s almost like you just marked something with a bright ass yellow outline that you know
”Kill THIS BITCH, and you will get buffs” as it should.

[bleak tulip]

I just noticed it while I played vet

[digital narwhal]

Meanwhile, there's me.
I just play hyper-aggressive Gun Psyker.

[bleak tulip]

because I mark shit, it dies

I also noticed it when I played, "yellow thing? click"

literally not even thinking about buffs or anything

you mark it I shoot it, no braincell used, no thought even going through my mind

[vocal cliff]

My brain feels Yellow spotty feels a lot nicer to shoot at than red

[bleak tulip]

but yeah that I believe is the explanation to the "why do people keep shooting my BB"

[mighty cipher]

That because of you subconsciously knowing that that’s what it does.

[bleak tulip]

no I dont think so

I clicked on the funny yellow before I even read the vet notes

because I dont give a shit about the class

I literally skip over their patch notes lol

[mighty cipher]

Either way, I do still believe that visibility is only a minor reason why it happens.

[worn cypress]

ehh I dunno I tag things and then people still ignore it way too much

[mighty cipher]

The real reason being good players having the same target priorities.

[bleak tulip]

you do shit in video games, especially fast games, without concious thought all the time is all im saying

the only indication of good target prioritization I regularily see in auric pubs is when I am not the only one watching the back for once

thats always nice

[mighty cipher]

I know, but comparing
-bright ass, see it through literally every surface in the game outline
-dim blue halo that’s barely visible when playing fast
Isn’t a very fair comparison in the ”Shoot the weird effect” response.

[vocal cliff]

I just like shooting things when it's marked, can't help it

[bleak tulip]

sure its not the same extent of obvious, but I myself found myself clicking on BB markers for the first month or two of playing a lot despite being a psyker main from day -3

you do notice, it does influence you

[slow zephyr]

I know I'm in a good team, when people actually drop an ammo/medical crate in combat. Instead of in the elevator.

[bleak tulip]

im just happy when people actually ping shit at all tbh

the ping is such a strong tool is bordering on criminal how underused it is

you can literally do investigative pings into a horde

[mighty cipher]

What I’m talking about is more subtle. When you have 5 gunners on screen and only one shooting at you, which one do you shoot? The bastard blasting you. It’s more complex than that but most players, especially good ones, will target the same things at the same time if they’re in similar positions.

[bleak tulip]

and you dont even need a spawn log

[mighty cipher]

The issue is that BR is ever so slightly slower than resource consuming methods so they’ll end up killing it first and you’ll waste your time.

[bleak tulip]

unless they changed it 50% charge still gives you the WC

so its not that bad

but yeah thats why I dont run BB

shits too slow, always has been

[mighty cipher]

What?

[bleak tulip]

and no I will not give up like 15-16% damage for EP

[bleak tulip]

they made it so BB gives you a charge on partial charge if the target dies like almost a year ago iirc

think it was 50%

though dont quote me on that

[mighty cipher]

Warp charge?

[bleak tulip]

BB

the reason you bb

why the fuck else are you BBing

you want the thing to die? yes

it dies to someone else? fine! good

[mighty cipher]

You mean enhanced psionics?

[bleak tulip]

fine its called siphon now

the stacks are stil called WC

[spice veldt]

tbf the iconic name for it was still warp siphon before in patch 12

[bleak tulip]

the name for the thing itself was always warp charges tho iirc

I mean it still is

[mighty cipher]

Okay, I might’ve confused you with this. I meant what as in, ”Wait, that’s a thing?”

No, I’ve never noticed me getting a warp charge whenever my locked target dies.

[bleak tulip]

here's the old wording, march 2023

[mighty cipher]

Either because they changed it or you gaslit yourself into beliving it was a thing

[bleak tulip]

I am 99% sure they changed that at some point this year or even late last year in december

[mighty cipher]

I’ve never noticed it but I’ll look next time I play. I will continue to operate under the assumption that it doesn’t.

[bleak tulip]

you do you fam

[mighty cipher]

Either way a very simple bypass to the target priority issue is to simply pick the next best target.

Find some random asshole and make it so that your team never realizes that they were there.

[untold widget]

Can't wait to see what Hardon does to this beauty

Not bad tbh

[mighty cipher]

Fucken sexy

[untold widget]

probably gonna change lacerate to flesh tearer and specialist damage to maniac

[stone totem]

Unsure how I aggro'd DH here

[vocal cliff]

Ngl i was expecting it to go horribly wrong

[vocal cliff]

Guess that DH just doesn't like you

[bleak tulip]

guessing you shouted in her direction

if you have creeping flames that can trigger her

would explain her damage

and it ticking when the health bar shows up

[stone totem]

Psyker has so many things in their kits that can aggro DH without the psyker's choice

Maybe it's that

[bleak tulip]

usually perilous isnt enough in my experience, also I dont even think it procs on a DH without it being active

[mighty cipher]

Not really, most of it has code specifically meant to prevent them from doing that.

[bleak tulip]

shout does however I think

[violet oak]

Couldve been some fuckery with how the targetting works

[mighty cipher]

Notable exceptions being smite and the surge staff

[bleak tulip]

so unless you smite in their direction and dont stop when you hear the sound cue there isnt a ton of shit that can accidentally trigger her imo

least I cant think of anything else?

[mighty cipher]

Targeting of what?

[bleak tulip]

also good luck even getting her over the threshold with smites shit tier damage

[mighty cipher]

It’s base on ticks

[violet oak]

Demon, sometimes it decides to poke someone else for some emperor damn reason

[mighty cipher]

You BREATH on her with a stray 1 damage hitbox and she’ll progress into aggression

[bleak tulip]

to my understanding DH have a damage threshold

[mighty cipher]

Nope

[bleak tulip]

no I mean to actually go for you

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, literally any hit will change her state.

[stone totem]

Unless they changed it, assail could also do that

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

aiui DH has a gradual aggro system

not binary

I have absolutely shot an "activated" DH before and didnt pull it

[mighty cipher]

Unless you fire smite with literally no targets or you lead the shards into her you should be fine.

[bleak tulip]

maybe it was late int othe grace period tho

dont have concrete numbers on that

[mighty cipher]

Probably that

[stone totem]

Thankfully it was not me in the friend group who discovered that 😭

[mighty cipher]

The grace period after awakening is really long

[bleak tulip]

@spice veldt im curious pls explain if DH has a gradual or binary aggro system

shrimply ask the giga nerds

[ornate hamlet]

Brain burst, at least prior to the talent patch, would grant the player a warp charge if the target died within a certain charge time

[bleak tulip]

<3

[stone totem]

I vented () right as clip started so unless vent goes through walls and also goes that far, vent shouldn't be what hit her

[bleak tulip]

they go through walls

and I would gauge youre close enough

[mighty cipher]

That’s why I’ve never seen it. I started basically the day after the skill tree overhaul dropped.

[safe crystal]

Through walls and within a 30m cone

[violet oak]

Yeah vent does go through walls and it has a 25m? range

[harsh urchin]

Vent goes through walls and goes pretty far

[mighty cipher]

Vent goes around corners extremely well.

[bleak tulip]

the cone is tighter than you think but its pretty far yeah

[stone totem]

Ah, then yeah that's likely what hit her

Crazy range man

[mighty cipher]

If there is ANY hole in or around the wall it will go through.

[bleak tulip]

I just try not to use any ranged anything in a rough cone in her direction

works out well enough

usually position myself to be around 90° away from her or reposition to make it so

[stone totem]

My first thought was soulblaze jumping to DH off of the BB kill, but if there's code to prevent that then it was def shriek

[mighty cipher]

Why the fuck did they make her aggro on near miss? It makes me consider fork outlet when 3 gunners use the damn host as cover.

[stone totem]

Hate this

[bleak tulip]

so she's a threat

because she wouldnt be

if it didnt

once you get past playing on heresy you basically never see DH triggered

[mighty cipher]

Wildfire and combustion specifically don’t spread to Daemons unless actively chasing a teammate

[bleak tulip]

because people get good enough at avoiding her like 99% of the time

this isnt me putting shade btw

shit happens

[stone totem]

Oh yeah I get what you mean

[bleak tulip]

why do you think I know vent can pull her?

[stone totem]

I just had no idea it was not only that big of a cone, but also that it could go through walls 😭

[mighty cipher]

My main issue is that the distance seems fucking arbitrary at times. I can fire a whole a screens distance away from her and she’ll wake up and eat my ass spine first.

[bleak tulip]

yeah its great to shout dogs off people

[stone totem]

Go figure I discover that my first match getting on psyker since after the tree patch dropped

[bleak tulip]

you are always on dog duty with shout

[mighty cipher]

I think we’ve all done that at some point

[spice veldt]

a bit of both, i suppose
you'll notice DHs getting slowly more aggravated as you linger in their aggro radius

[bleak tulip]

literally the best to ever do it

[spice veldt]

and after a certain damage threshold, DHs always awaken

[bleak tulip]

definitely noticed weird istuations where the second or third person passing DH too close would trigger her when she came out

so that makes sense

[mighty cipher]

What is the threshold? I’ve never seen a hit that didn’t aggro her. Or does the threshold apply to the grace period after you wake her up?

[bleak tulip]

thinking its quite low

[spice veldt]

you can often dink a daemonhost and not wake her up

as long as you don't do it too quick y in succession

[mighty cipher]

Interesting

But once she is awake you touch her and she’ll aggro right?

[spice veldt]

if she's alerted, she can still be dinked without being waked up

provided you don't reach that damage threshold

[mighty cipher]

Hm