psyker-class

[ornate hamlet]

[bright mica]

which is another reason why minigun OE is overrated lol

I like to play Sott like a melee class with a CC secondary lmao

[tiny swallow]

same

[ornate hamlet]

And I don't like warpriest because the damage sucks and you get shoehorned into a specific line of talents

Bonk central with a free revive doesn't appeal to me

[bright mica]

Warpriest would've been my least fav if it wasn't for BH because you have no mobility or ranged

[ornate hamlet]

Also the hammer tome is mirrored and as a right-handed person it causes me great grief

[bright mica]

WP annoys me because there's no reason to not use the flail and shield

it's overpowered as shit

[tiny swallow]

love flail n shield

[bright mica]

with qq cancels it's even your best boss dps

but that's too sweaty

[tiny swallow]

i like flail n shield paired with the 2h hammer

[bright mica]

if I had to play WP I'd do dual hams with 2h ham but your setup is probably the most meta

2h hammer Zealot is super fun

[pale crescent]

Three dueling swords. Not sure what to do to make them worth a damn

[static needle]

For using assail with voidstrike staff as ranged weapon... Should I use malefic momentum or perilous combustion? which is more important?

im running shield btw

if that helps with additional context

[bright mica]

First and second are both good blessing-wise

[ornate hamlet]

What is malefic momentum again?

[bright mica]

you rlly just need Maniac on them for perks

[pale crescent]

so am i using these against ragers then?

[ornate hamlet]

It's uhhh very based

But won't benefit much if you're primarily using the staff

[bright mica]

it let's you one tap mutants

[ornate hamlet]

I use it between dueling sword attacks on hordes

[bright mica]

Unyielding is mostly there for the combo of setting a boss on fire with your purgatus/Creeping Flames/trauma force and then going into melee

Unyielding will affect the DOT

Maniac is super necessary while Unyielding a cherry on top if that makes sense

[pale crescent]

ok, so i can scrap the uncanny from the first, apply it to the second get two tier 4s. replace the block efficiency with maniacs

[glossy ember]

btw found a knife with 25 mobility it still had 5 dodges lol

[fresh reef]

[bright mica]

Uncanny 3 is good enough

[lethal lagoon]

For now.

Expect it to be changed.

[fresh reef]

it bricked

[bright mica]

the first one is pretty decent too. Riposte is quite good

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-dancing-dance-dancing-robot-t600-robot-gif-22132535

[bright mica]

You can do what you suggested or keep both

[lethal lagoon]

Hadron styling on you.

[bright mica]

just a heads up damage on purgatus is a dump stat, might help you find more usable staves

[glossy ember]

ok i think i know why i might not be completely crazy about my feeling of building more peril with bubble than with scrier

[fresh reef]

I've already got a good one

[glossy ember]

it's cuz of scrier's 20% peril reduction, that's basically my baseline the entire match

[snow coral]

well I ran a few matches with my old trusty void staff and i gotta say it feels a lot worse than the revolver

[atomic forum]

i like getting peril up high quickly now, make me gun shoot better

[bright mica]

you think Scriers 20% is bugged to work even when not active?

[glossy ember]

no no

I mean

i will always have 20% peril reduction minimum no matter what

because if i have 0 warp charges i have scrier

and if i don't have scrier i have warp charges built

[bright mica]

oh oki ye

[glossy ember]

unless i mess up heavily

[bright mica]

what sorta build is this

[glossy ember]

its my knife surge staff assail scrier build

[bright mica]

oh i see

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/atlantis-you-dont-want-to-gif-26076225

[bright mica]

a lot of people run a no ability build with smite and surge using the buffs from max warp charges to go brrrr

[jovial narwhal]

[glossy ember]

i'd argue scrier's crit rate boost is enough to be worth it to use as over a no ability build

[bright mica]

shame ghost isn't very good on psyker because we have it built into a talent

[bright mica]

you maintain the damage stacks permanently, I only run a no ability build on voidstrike though which rlly fucks because it makes void mega reliable breakpoint-wise

[atomic forum]

the built in ghost is amazing, i can throw a few assails out and then sit still and line up a revolver shot if i need to since i most certainly have the auto dodge up

[glossy ember]

i guess ye but why not just build em back during scrier. I guess ease of use.

[bright mica]

you don't need the crits with true aim and warp nexus

[glossy ember]

oh

fair

[bright mica]

basically always surging

[lethal lagoon]

Ehhh, I'd argue the "brr" doesn't really go without flaming shriek spam for both peril managment and warpfire PC chains.

Plus you negate hordes

[glossy ember]

ye

[bright mica]

the damage stacks help surge a lot afaik, but really it's more of a "do you hate aiming?" sort of build

peril management isn't super necessary when with max warp charges you can smite for fucking ever

[static needle]

link to build? 🙂

[static needle]

how are u getting the crits tho?

[bright mica]

I think it's featured in the guide in pins, check the example builds section

[glossy ember]

scrier crit rate and extra 10% dmg helps make surge staff a bit more consistant

but i can see why a void wouldt need it

true strike n shit

[bright mica]

I just answered your question

in the msg u replied to

[static needle]

yes but how do you apply the true aim

if im to be more specific

[bright mica]

its a talent that gives you guaranteed crits with 5 headshots

[static needle]

dude i know this

[lethal lagoon]

You mentioned a surge build and then suddenly switched to voidstrike

was a bit confusing I suppose

[bright mica]

I'm going back to sleep

[static needle]

do you cheese with smite or something to get true aim procced? cause in my experience setting it up with true aim using only the voidstrike is a pain

[bright mica]

i

[lethal lagoon]

Oh so I'm the confused one

true aim is super easy to get with void no?

[bright mica]

controller player detected

[static needle]

i use mnk now please give feedback and dont babble

[hot zephyr]

I think it has to do with aiming the RMB at head level

[bright mica]

aim better

gn

[hot zephyr]

I don't know exactly but that's the idea iirc

[static needle]

alr cause ive seen peeps proccing true aim using smite but they fixed that with the latest patch

[lethal lagoon]

May your dreams be sedation difficulty 👋

[bright mica]

Auric Sedation when

[hot zephyr]

(im learning void myself so I don't know exactly but this was part of the advice I read)

[lethal lagoon]

Sedation but maelstrom and every single enemy is a boss.

[static needle]

but proccing true aim with void requires a horde at head level, no?

[bright mica]

just shoot head.

[hot zephyr]

Not if the enemies are choke pointed so your can kinda skill shot them

[bright mica]

M1 over head

[static needle]

charge attack im guessing?

[bright mica]

figure it out

[hot zephyr]

Yeah RMB/charge attack at head height and two to use terrain to create a funnel where you can line up enemies like a door/hallway/bridge/etc

It's easier said than done

[static needle]

hmm

yeah.... thats why i run warp nexus so i dont gotta rely on true aim to that extent

[hot zephyr]

Yeah you kinda don't want to rely on proccing it I think

It's just a nice bonus for using choke points well

Cus it'll kinda randomly just crit stuff

[static needle]

Which of these builds are better for utilizing crit dmg? PS: On the right one I run ability cooldown instead of crit aura because of the extra -5% peril generation node. Thoughts?

Im running a voidstrike with surge and warp nexus

[hot zephyr]

Access to the toughness damage reduction 10-33 based on peril is very important imo

[lilac vale]

My beloved says you should activate windows

[static needle]

eh

might as well run an extra toughness node, then i get back even more from killing enemies

and i have more by default

plus, more crit chance synergizes with mettle AND emphatic evasion since i get more toughness back faster and can avoid more shots

[hot zephyr]

Ok. Well I'm using something closer to the shield build you have there and for me it's the shield plus the damage reduction from peril that I value over the other talents in that tier

[static needle]

so wait running scrier's with a voidstrike might be kinda doable?

[ionic sorrel]

Meme tank build?

I got this sword

[ionic sorrel]

I'm at 199 Toughness.

[ornate hamlet]

Very based

[thorn cedar]

perfect

[ornate hamlet]

Highest I got was 192

[fading depot]

sounds hilarious

[ionic sorrel]

I can get 219 if I trade out my stam curio

[pale crescent]

it is done

i am no longer afraid of ragers

[fading depot]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/002/014/923/7a3.gif

[lethal lagoon]

Peak psyker tanking

[snow coral]

isn't this sword bad at hitting three

[ornate hamlet]

the canniest strike

wait how

[vast yew]

it can't hit three except via push attack; after Rampage triggers it can hit 3

[ornate hamlet]

I thought you needed full toughness curios and perks to reach 200

And that the base health was like 150

[lethal lagoon]

Bear witness to the perfect psyker.

[ornate hamlet]

Real and true

[snow coral]

ah, so push to start, then get the stacks going?

[vast yew]

yeah basically

plus you want to weave in push attacks anyways when horde-clearing with mk4 so it just works

[ornate hamlet]

I have vague memories of them buffing the dueling sword cleave

[lethal lagoon]

I think I had +5% toughness and +5% health on each of these.

Except one 4% toughness to get exactly 200

[vast yew]

(sometimes I get rampage to trigger without the push attack but I have no idea how to consistently replicate it so I just pretend it only does it on the push attack)

[snow coral]

Yeah I get that. I really like precog on mine because I can one shot mutants

[lethal lagoon]

It's really easy to proc 🤷‍♂️

The change is noticeable

[vast yew]

🤷‍♂️

[lethal lagoon]

I still wouldn't use if you never atk horde with your dueling sword, which is why I have a seperate one for use on surge.

[vast yew]

2nd perk on DS4 is kind of up in the air anyways

Uncanny is S tier and then what you take on the second is far less consequential

[snow coral]

uncanny precog is great

[vast yew]

precog is good, 20% crit from one of the crit ones is nice to trigger mettle

rampage helps with horde clear

but none are a slam dunk standout win in the same way Uncanny is

[lethal lagoon]

Shred also helps with horde clear, so it kind of wins out over rampage because it helps wth non-horde clear too.

[vast yew]

so it's just kinda whatever you want to run or whatever Hadron gives you

It kinda wins out, but Rampage actually buffs Power, not Damage, so it gives more cleave

[terse shore]

just got this, still an upgrade over what i have but should i bother trying to get better charge rate?

[ornate hamlet]

Groaners have always allowed rampage to proc without the push attack

[vast yew]

nah that looks great, I mean if you happen to find a godroll then by all means swap it out but that should work well

[vast yew]

ah so that's what it is

[lethal lagoon]

it's only like .05 seconds, but I swear the charge rate between 65ish and 80 is noticeable.

But if you don't have that experience you might not notice.

[vast yew]

it's less noticeable once Flurry gets rolling

[lethal lagoon]

You also have to consider the damage of instant right clicks

[vast yew]

There do be that; higher charge rate = higher charge % on spamming attacks, which means more damage %

[terse shore]

i'm getting plasma vibes

[vast yew]

but I think that staff will perform fine until he can find a literal godroll

[lethal lagoon]

Still looking for my godroll staff with 2 interchangeable perks 😦

Should be easy surge has like no blessings, but Hadron sure does love terrifying barrage.

[terse shore]

charge rate is still better than what i had before anyway, losing the damage roll but 2% should'nt matter much

[vast yew]

Terrifying Barrage/Run & Gun my beloved
||to sell for Ordos||

[lethal lagoon]

Oh yeah that's way better

The other one I mean

[terse shore]

i might as well try to make a decent trauma for scab maelstroms

[lethal lagoon]

Surge runs really well on scab/melee maelstrom

[terse shore]

yeah it's already pretty good but why cc 2 crushers when i can cc 10

[lethal lagoon]

Eh... I don't know how much your teammates are fond of having crushers on the ground like that, but it is hella fun.

[vast yew]

Well if you build your Trauma right the Crushers are also dying at the same time

which tends to make teammates pretty happy

but I'd rather have them on the ground then getting read to slam jam my skull

[spice veldt]

i don't trust my teammates on melee maelstrom at all

[terse shore]

i'm guessing flame trauma is the better build?

[spice veldt]

i'm bringing trauma for that shit

[vast yew]

yeah Flame Trauma is the better build

needs a real good staff tho

[spice veldt]

my philosophy about not knocking enemies down goes out of the window once melee maelstrom comes around

[olive ember]

Lmao

Hypocrite kekw

This is why you use my philosophy

Which is to knock everything around

Zero contradictions there

[spice veldt]

my game with 3 stealth knife zealots on melee maelstrom permanently scarred me

[vast yew]

oh god

[olive ember]

Lmao what

You have a recording?

[spice veldt]

prolly but it's on another drive

this drive is right next to my computer but the effort to hook it up is simply too much

[jovial narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/steven-seagal-seagal-knife-fight-gif-18480228

[spice veldt]

this is the scoreboard (oops I spilled an orange crayon over my deaths/down oopsie woopsies) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1179714353080061982/image.png?ex=6584041b&is=65718f1b&hm=13c72b4d213296081f4101775a38ceb693f327b43f96ea71e7bac5f4a6a5c1af&

[olive ember]

A casual 1.2 mil

Now that’s good damage

[spice veldt]

i kept on dying because I kept kiting into walls and corners

even though i had the trauma staff

[lethal lagoon]

I wonder what it's like to beat a maelstrom having only done 200k damage.

I mean he's probably not aware, so it's interesting.

[ornate hamlet]

Homie was playing femaelstrom

[terse shore]

oh, forgot i was still running true aim after the surge fix

[lethal lagoon]

Wouldn't that be all flamers and trappers? Sounds fucking terrifying.

[olive ember]

Oof

[olive ember]

Normal shooters can be female too

[lethal lagoon]

So all shooters, flamers, and trappers

[fading depot]

You still managed to take less damage than I usually do

[mighty cipher]

Whatever it was it pales in comparison to my 20 deaths game I had earlier today.

[spice veldt]

i run with minimal hp for reference, so that contributes to my low damage taken

[terse shore]

my entire build is every low effort actually

[olive ember]

I play malice and just simply never die

Ez pz

[lethal lagoon]

BB feels high effort.

[fading depot]

What about dying from boredom

[terse shore]

I legit never use it outside of bosses, most of the time it's just extra kills from lightning procs

[olive ember]

If for surge I’d get rid of flayer and one of the left toughness nodes for 6 warp charges

[lethal lagoon]

If the goal is low effort brain off gameplay, you want that toughness gen.

[pale crescent]

i remember pre skill tree running toughness gen was great

[terse shore]

i might ditch kinetic actually

[lethal lagoon]

Do you mean the perks on curios?

[mighty cipher]

Ah, the feedback loop build. My favorite in the game. This is my version. Allows me to flip flop between insane horde clear and Specialist/Elite busting when need be.

[lethal lagoon]

I just meant toughness gen in the skill tree.

[terse shore]

i've killed myself and others a few times trying to knock bursters with surge

and kinetic procd

[pale crescent]

Yesss

[olive ember]

Kinetic flayer is kinda bad ngl

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, they are still okay on psyker given you are in coherency usually.

[mighty cipher]

Fun fact, the force sword shove does 1 damage. Which allows it to proc Flayer.

[spice veldt]

and the damage increases with uncanny strike stacks

op

[olive ember]

It used to do 0 damage and still proc flayer

[mighty cipher]

Lmao

[terse shore]

damn, good thing i was running DS4

[mighty cipher]

Let Kinetic flayer proc off of a BR cowards.

[mighty cipher]

It’s easy to avoid, just don’t shove attack. The shove can’t proc KF

[olive ember]

I am pretty sure it can

[mighty cipher]

I’ve never seen it happen. And I’ve probably spent hours in the Psykarnium popping heads with it.

[olive ember]

Huh…. I am certain it did, atleast BB did pre rework

Idk why they would change it so

[terse shore]

man i really don't know what to remove to grab the 6 warp charges

i'm crutching hard on tougness regen

[mighty cipher]

Probably fucked up something internally. When the rework dropped. Given that WS doesn’t work with scrier’s gaze for the dumbest reason I wouldn’t doubt it for a second.

[terse shore]

i could remove wildfire since i run venting shriek anyway

[mighty cipher]

Drop wildfire. The talent is dogshit.

It’s kinda nice but it’s not great.

[olive ember]

Personally I’d drop toughness on warp kill

Surge staff builds peril so easily

[mighty cipher]

But if you really want to keep it in so you can call it a wildfire build*(Like I do)*. Drop your crit talents.

And don’t listen to derpy, Soulblaze counts as a warp kill.

[olive ember]

Meh

Surge staff without crit buffs misses breakpoints

So I wouldn’t drop crit

[shrewd holly]

I hate void battery

I hate this fucking playstyle and build

I hate not being able to press F

[mighty cipher]

Do a Meleestrom

[untold widget]

just press F

getting warp charges is ezpz

I run WS and press F on cooldown every 15s

Delete those rooms

don't feel bad

[mighty cipher]

He’s doing that penance bozo

[shrewd holly]

bro if I press F my fucking warp charges are gone

[untold widget]

oh the penance

yeah

[shrewd holly]

I fucking HATE this playstyle

[untold widget]

you only have to suffer for 5 minutes

ideally

[mighty cipher]

……..

[shrewd holly]

I've been suffering for two days

https://tenor.com/view/pain-agony-ww1-shell-shock-gif-23591580

[untold widget]

you can do what I did and just camp Brain Burst on specials

[mighty cipher]

Try doing the melee enemies maelstrom. If you can survive for 5 minutes it should be a free penance.

[untold widget]

hold the right click and only pop gunners/shotters/bombers/poxbursters/trappers

leave ogryns and muties alone

[shrewd holly]

if I do that, some bitch ass veteran whom I'm specifically told "Please dont steal specials from me" WIll go for only and ONLY the specials I'm trying to brainburst

[untold widget]

that's why you hold right click

insta pop when they appear

no blue glow on the head for the cat to chase

[shrewd holly]

fuck it, 'll give it one last go then I'm done

[untold widget]

and by camp bb

i mean

like

melee doesn't exist

staves don't exist

there is only brain burst

play super backline

let your team deal with hordes/ogryns/muties/bosses

your damage will be terrible, your team might dislike you

but the penance will be done

[sacred crane]

"I suddenly feel very powerful"
-my seer ass right before getting downed as scrier user

[rich rose]

I love the Darth Vader voice but hate running around like a Sesame Street character brought to you by the letter "T"

[ripe yacht]

I am so glad I got the warp charge penance before patch 13.

[lethal lagoon]

pre patch 13 I could top-frag doing BB 90% of the time

The advantage of pubs being so fucking slow is I could clear out distant places.

[sacred crane]

Top fragging as scrier psyker

[lethal lagoon]

Considering how much ammo the avg scrier psyker burns, their ass better be in first.

[pale crescent]

the survivalist vet should obv support the psyker /s

gunkers grant me your wisdom, how do we make this less bricked?

[lethal lagoon]

Barrage = DumDum, Sprint = Flak

[dark spoke]

agreed

[pale crescent]

is speedload really that good?

[lethal lagoon]

No?

[dark spoke]

no but def better than barrage

[feral verge]

anything is better than barrage

barrage should always be dumped

[pale crescent]

has anyone tried a gun build thats full meming suppression?

[feral verge]

if i wanted to do that, i wouldnt use a gun

i'd use a staff

lmb spam

infinite ammo, non stop

[olive ember]

But the peril gain

How could you handle the peril

[feral verge]

lol

[lethal lagoon]

I rolled a trauma with surge, bout to do an LMB build.

[feral verge]

it is very, very slept on

[wet belfry]

I would go crit chance

[feral verge]

it is actually viable and effective

[queen fog]

so slept on i didnt even know it effected mini ball

this is awesome info

[feral verge]

yeah, many people have no idea

[wet belfry]

IM pretty sure colomnus is a weapon with crit strings?

Its 4 i belive?

[strong gulch]

My suppression gun. 🥰

[lethal lagoon]

Blessed be the Meta Staff 🙏

[strong gulch]

yee

[crude cape]

thoughts on using Smite* without Empowered psyonics and just using warp siphon?
i was thinking warp siphon would help make surge staff feel stronger im pairing it with, and also help for burn rotations and ult rotations when surging.
but im missing that enhanced surge buff on EP

[spice veldt]

yeah 4 shots in its crit string

[wet belfry]

Ye then i dont see why not run crit chance on the colomnus

[lethal lagoon]

Do you mean without the EP bug, it was fixed a while ago?

[spice veldt]

@feral verge you hoe

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is really strong 🤷‍♂️ I don't get people who complain about it's damage.

[crude cape]

sorry i meant smite without EP, i fixed it lol

[lethal lagoon]

Oh lmao

Smite get's peril reduc from warp siphon.

It's lowkey kinda of better.

[crude cape]

something like this. with surge staff

ya maybe i should try to make assail work

its harder on points tho

[lethal lagoon]

So get rid of the two talents from smite and put it into mettle and perfect timing.

[wet belfry]

Picking crit chance would increase the amount of crits the weapon does by 20%

[crude cape]

hmm thats a pretty good idea, but surge staff gets the smite passives right?

[lethal lagoon]

No

[crude cape]

oh, they fixed that?

[lethal lagoon]

Smite right click doesn't really get the passives either lmao

[crude cape]

ah, rip. ok

surge a patcfh or two ago would jump to an additional target and get the 10% i think. but idk if it was actually worth 2 points

[spice veldt]

going from 12.5% to 17.5% crit chance should translate from 36% crit chance to 45% crit chance

just doing a rudimentary (# of crits)/(# of shots) calculation

[lethal lagoon]

Did you fix it from last time?

[spice veldt]

i'm still sticking with the old one I used

since I don't think the binomial one is correct after some thought

since my formula is using basic frequency to estimate the probability

[wet belfry]

Ok now im actually curious which is the right formula

[spice veldt]

i don't think my formula is completely accurate either

my formula is handling the case of the expected value

[crude cape]

i could just say fuck smite, and do this i guess with surge. use assail weaved with melee for hordes and hard to get guys.
ive honestly been having the most success with brain burst builds (ignoring BB mostly, using it mainly for snipers, spread out gunners, far bombers etc) and going full toughness, warp siphon and dmg talents

but it feels bad

not having a good blitz

[feral verge]

omfg lmfao

wtf is this

[spice veldt]

1/p is the the number of shots that I expect to shoot until I get a crit (including the current shot, so I subtract 1 from it)

[feral verge]

dude really just outed himself as a 🤓

[violet oak]

People will watch someone do simple math and the most complicated thought they can string together is the nerd emote

[vapid lichen]

everyone in this server is a nerd for being on discord and playing videogames tbh

[spice veldt]

so true (people such as man car)

[feral verge]

trust me homie

arcotash is a 🤓

[spice veldt]

hmm maybe the parentheses should be elsewhere

[feral verge]

maybe you should be elsewhere

wherever nerds go

[spice veldt]

i think this organization makes more conceptual sense

[feral verge]

the library? band camp?

[spice veldt]

since if n = 1, then that would be the same as 1/(1/p) = p

[spice veldt]

i hope people make more bad jokes whenever you're carrying your suitcase

[feral verge]

its not a suitcase

[spice veldt]

you will suffer the fate of hearing the same joke 1000 times

[feral verge]

it's a black canvas bag

[vapid lichen]

are you calculating effective crit chance by counting the crits in the crit string towards the total number of crits within some number of shots fired

[feral verge]

get it right

[spice veldt]

ye

that's my idea for my formula

[vapid lichen]

that makes sense

[spice veldt]

i forgot my probability distribution stuff so I'm just using basic frequency estimation

god bless counting

[neat pecan]

I play this game to avoid thinking about math you cretin not do more of it

[lethal lagoon]

The chance of a 82.5% event happening 4 times in a row is ~46~%. 🤷‍♂️ So at 17.5 crit, it's a ~53%~ chance of criting once in 4 shots >.<

[spice veldt]

you shall suffer

[shrewd holly]

I'm done

[neat pecan]

That does it

Im returning to ogryn

[shrewd holly]

not just with void battery but just darktide in general

[spice veldt]

😔 (to both mcwiggus and attila)

[shrewd holly]

I think this penance broke me

[neat pecan]

Which penance?

[shrewd holly]

I genuenly dislike this game now

void battery

bullshit ass penance

[digital narwhal]

Play Ogryn

[neat pecan]

Which is?

[digital narwhal]

Ogryn makes all things better

[neat pecan]

See GROND gets it

[shrewd holly]

I fail to see "google" in my name

[lethal lagoon]

I play my Ogryn whenever I need to cleanse my soul after a bad psyker game

[vapid lichen]

can the game roll for a crit during a crit string to extend the crit string

[spice veldt]

sadly no

they thought of that at least

[vapid lichen]

figures

[spice veldt]

however, you can get a crit for the shot right after a crit string, so you can have 8 crits in a row

or 12

or 16

depending on how lucky you are and how high your crit chance is

yellow numbers go brrr https://streamable.com/h56i2e

[vapid lichen]

that sounds like it amplifies the diminishing returns of approaching max crit chance even more
not that we can get that close to max crit chance anyways

but who'd be complaining if they crit every bullet either way lmfao

[spice veldt]

yeah there are some diminishing returns

[lethal lagoon]

Ok before wasn't 🤓 , but the graph puts it over the line.

[vapid lichen]

where's deadly accurate for the ciag when you need it

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-25651926

[spice veldt]

that would've been extremely juicy

the era of 270% finesse vraks 3 with Headhunter and Deadly Accurate

[vapid lichen]

[spice veldt]

too bad the vraks 3 has 225% finesse nowadays iirc

[shrewd holly]

I completed peternatural dodge 3 and the emperor protects 2 ON ACCIDENT while I'm trying to do warp battery ON PURPOSE and STILL not managing to get it

[lethal lagoon]

What's warp battery, the 300 second one?

[vapid lichen]

i did warp battery on accident 🫡

[lethal lagoon]

Can't you just grab a friend, a purg staff, and farm an event?

[strong gulch]

I know blazing spirit exists on force swords, but I'd like an actual SB force sword.

or knife

[lethal lagoon]

2 handed flaming force sword or I riot.

[solar sand]

hmmm

10 on the light and 13 on the heavy for having 65 damage

[lethal lagoon]

Is that the new one?

[solar sand]

yeah

[neat pecan]

WHY IS THERE A FUCKING GRAPH NOW

[solar sand]

could be my new horde melee

[spice veldt]

i slipped

oopsie woopsies

[vapid lichen]

https://tenor.com/view/ehe-anime-gif-anime-girl-teehee-gif-27178660

[neat pecan]

proceeds to peril self

[strong gulch]

I like the graph.

[pale crescent]

This worth 2950 melkbucks? second is my current trauma

[vapid lichen]

the second one is your current staff?
how the fuck are you even using that thing

[pale crescent]

poorly

[wet belfry]

Probably waits a year for it to charge.

[vapid lichen]

yeah that checks out

[wet belfry]

Hes an old man by the point the game has finished.

[vapid lichen]

that looks like the type of shit i get after finishing a match

[pale crescent]

never once has sustained fire procced

[strong gulch]

If you want to do flurry + rending trauma, grabing the melk one for T4 flurry is worth it to surrender.

Both are not great.

[lethal lagoon]

Literally couldn't pay me to run a game with your current staff, how are you functioning?

[strong gulch]

The melk is an upgrade with its blessings.

[vapid lichen]

might as well just use it at that point

the melk one

[strong gulch]

yip

[lethal lagoon]

Melk, replace peril with rending, ranged damage with flak or something.

[ornate hamlet]

Mancar Camaro

[pale crescent]

Ok ill get right on that 🥲

[wet belfry]

Dont be poor

[lethal lagoon]

You don't even have the mod installed 😢

[ornate hamlet]

@feral verge confirm

[brazen rampart]

I would rather stub all of my toes for the next 5 years than do the warp battery penance any more

[severe folio]

unfortunately thats true

[primal ravine]

So uhm anyone else special attack on melee not working right now?

[severe folio]

which special melee attack

[primal ravine]

Charging force sword or stabbing with the duelist sword

Okay so apparently you can't use 5 becaue of puling out auspex keybind being on 5 so rebinding it to 6 fixed the special attack

that's a bit stupid

[brazen rampart]

new record for warp battery penance at 255 seconds

lost it due to a single killsteal

[ornate hamlet]

Well, you can rebind the auspex

[chilly dagger]

It definitely isn't as if you want to one shot elite gunners(in the face) on Damnation you need 79% damage or higher. on-top of a number of damage bonuses.

[violet oak]

[icy wyvern]

wife is getting upset at my snoring which means, unfortunately,

im going to have to play psyker sober

[bleak tulip]

you can do that?

[lethal lagoon]

Wild how much trouble people have with that. Is it the elevators and transitons that ruin it for you or what?

[icy wyvern]

It took me forever

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like with purg staff on maelstrom magi it'd be easy enough to upkeep.

[icy wyvern]

I was at 299 seconds for a while

[brazen rampart]

The downtime between transitions is definitely a big problem but my bigger problem is veterans and zealouts that think they need to snipe every single specialist they see when I very clearly asked them not to because I'm using BB for them

The amount of people I've seen with stub revolvers in my last 10 or so games is staggering

I genuinely believe the only way to do this is to run a private match in a shock troop gauntlet

[lethal lagoon]

Have you tried using a purg with the 10% soulfire thing?

I think it works as long as they are on fire, they don't have to die from fire.

[brazen rampart]

fire reborn only procs when soulfire ticks are what kills them, last I checked

[lethal lagoon]

Are you sure?

[mighty cipher]

They fixed it

[brazen rampart]

I've been having significantly more uptime with psychic vampire

[mighty cipher]

Any kill with the Purgatus staff will have the 10% chance

[brazen rampart]

well, that's the thing

getting a kill with a purgatus staff

[lethal lagoon]

No, no, I'm pretty sure it's just anything that dies while on fire. I'm bored so Ima go test it.

[mighty cipher]

Yeah? Channel into a horde and you’ll single-handedly incinerate the entire thing

I’m also fairly sure that atlas is right

[strong gulch]

Unless it changed this patch. Enemies just gave to be affacted by SB. You or an ally can kill a target with non-SB attacks and get the proc.

I'm assuming the allies are in coherency and IDk if it can be someone else's SB.

[mighty cipher]

I think the SB just has to be yours. No coherency needed

[strong gulch]

In fire reborn can be really inconsistent tho.

I do hear people having success on using it for the warp battery penance.

[modest edge]

https://tenor.com/view/crossmauz-kid-rave-party-room-gif-26278707

Me when i get stimmed as a psyker

[mighty cipher]

IFR feels fantastic to me. Blast a horde and you’ll have all 6 stacks in no time

[brazen rampart]

speaking of, does the 6 stack perk help at all or is it more of a hindrance

[mighty cipher]

Me after getting 4 stacks of Kinetic resonance

[brazen rampart]

I've gotten no clear answer as to whether or not the 5th and 6th stack work as a buffer

[mighty cipher]

It helps. It takes a hair longer to reach your max stacks but the extra buffs make up for it 10 fold

[strong gulch]

There was one psyker in a game who was BBing everything. They might have been trying fo the penance, but they were also BBing trash mobs in melee so IDK.

They never said that they were working on a penance.

[brazen rampart]

I'll try one more mission with the setup I've got and then switch to IFR once I get another purgatus staff, then

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, it works.

Doesn't feel like 10% though.

Or maybe my brain just can't compute what 10% feels like.

[mighty cipher]

Probably the latter

[strong gulch]

Full random is what it is.

[mighty cipher]

I’ve failed a 1/10 40 times in a row before. Sometimes you just eat shit.

[lethal lagoon]

Bout a 65% chance to get a warp charge after 10 times with warpfire kills.

[celest wedge]

whats the stats i need to focus on for Surge siblings?

[lethal lagoon]

Are you going to peril edge?

[strong gulch]

U got them.

I pray for no bricking

[lethal lagoon]

If you aren't going to edge your peril at 80+%, you don't need warp resist.

[celest wedge]

I will be running Shriek and smite

wioth warp battery

[lethal lagoon]

If you don't know what I'm talking about, then that staff is great

That sounded mean, but I didn't mean it that way.

[celest wedge]

I will be dumping my peril with VS combo'd with WS

@lethal lagoon its fine 🙂

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, then you are good to go.

Low warp resist can be great in some ways

[strong gulch]

Everything is good on surge. I wouldn't dump warp resist any more tho.

Yes it can

true

[celest wedge]

the pinned guide mentions that i want flat stats across the board with surge but i dont know why that is the case

[lethal lagoon]

For peril edging, you wanna be able to do a full cast, quell "once" and hit 86-87ish and get off a full surge charge.

You need higher warp resist for that.

It also helps wth spamming surge

[icy wyvern]

GOT SURGE BAYBEE LETS GOOOOO

[lethal lagoon]

So general DPS increase, but it's not that important in general.

[celest wedge]

Yeah i like spamming surge charges

[lethal lagoon]

You can still spam without, its not that noticeable unless you are doing the above

It's like minor % differences

[celest wedge]

ok. Praying to Hadron it doesnt brick

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/robot-dancing-dance-dancing-robot-t600-robot-gif-22132535

Hardon getting ready to ruin your day

[strong gulch]

Kill all weapons.

[lethal lagoon]

What's wrong?

You have flak and nexus, so you are meta.

Change barrage to flurry

And unarmored to anything you want, including keep unarmored.

[celest wedge]

ok yeah great point. thanks.

[bleak tulip]

besides getting shit perks its tremendously hard to get a bricked surge tbh

[lethal lagoon]

Oh

I didn't see you already sawpped nexus

[lethal lagoon]

uhh yeah, change barrage to flurry and it's not awful.

unarmored isn't useless on surge.

[celest wedge]

soryy ive confused things. This is my current on DURRR

[lethal lagoon]

[celest wedge]

Here is the one i just made.

[lethal lagoon]

Warp Nexus tier 3 is fine.

So you have 2 free perk slots

Low-key jealous

[strong gulch]

Surge with open perks is BIS.

[celest wedge]

[strong gulch]

YOu never know what's gonna change.

[lethal lagoon]

Annoyed I can't get one, but yeah.

[celest wedge]

Then id want Flak and M aniacs for the perks?

[lethal lagoon]

MFW when I have to make a new surge every patch 😁

[bleak tulip]

might not need maniac? dunno tho

[lethal lagoon]

Try Flak Manic, Carpace Unyielding, Flak Carpace, Flak 5crit .

The world is your oyster

[strong gulch]

Are open perks bis or are we having a trauma response. 🥲

[bleak tulip]

unless they add more blessings its probably about as good as it gets

[celest wedge]

where did the bad Hadron hurt you. Point to it on this Doll

anyway, Cheers siblings!

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/emotional-damage-emotional-damage-meme-funny-gif-24332819

[lethal lagoon]

🙂

[subtle swift]

should i buy this dueling sword?

[glass forge]

How do we use combat blades well? Seems damage is lower than other weapons, short range makes me get hit. Disadvantaged every melee fight?

[subtle swift]

wth i cant take single screenshot anymore

one sec

[potent echo]

You use them to zoom around and sometimes fight things

But mainly just use your staff and assail

[glass forge]

Oh haha, thanks then I will try avoiding melee with combat blades, thank u

[harsh urchin]

you really have to use it well, can't just spam lights

[cloud heron]

has anyone had issues with the deimos not sticking to enemies?

[harsh urchin]

need to use push attacks, special attack, chaining heavies and lights and hit weakspots

the damage will be good if you do that, otherwise if you're just spamming lights the damage wont be good enough

[rain meadow]

it really annoys me that MOST of the penances are like "yeah just play your class"

but a handful are "play your class like a fucking idiot"

[potent echo]

They made it so that you can dodge out of specials

So don't spam dodge

[potent echo]

I mean they are called penances

[cloud heron]

I feel like that was mostly the redacted penances

[cloud heron]

ah shit, that's almost definitely what's happening

i thought that was just the chainsword but you're right

[potent echo]

It's a good change overall for sure

[glass forge]

Combat blades Hitbox of heavy attack does not cleave a lot, so if I miss I'd get hit, push attack is a punch which doesn't stun many enemies. Usually when I use melee it is because too many enemies surround me, low cleave seems dangerous

[potent echo]

Yea somehow it applies to forceswords too

But not vet shovels, vet eating another L

[potent echo]

Which knife, new one?

How you deal with hordes is you hold lmb, turn away from the horde and hold sprint + W

[glass forge]

Old one, I will try new combat blades if I get it

[rain meadow]

still

[static needle]

Worth buying for either blessing?

[potent echo]

If you don't have level4 of either, for sure

Both are bis

[cloud heron]

I'm just glad we don't have people in public games blowing themselves up trying to get a triple kill anymore

[lethal lagoon]

What's your current dagger?

[violet oak]

Me on my way to become a grenade

[lethal lagoon]

It's obviously not meta, but you could use that one till you have a BIS one. Both perks can be changed.

And then sacrifice it if you are missing either of those two blessings later.

[static needle]

dont got one

[lethal lagoon]

What's your melk budget?

[violet oak]

Hadron has bricked every single good weapon i have gotten so far

truly

[static needle]

i have 7K melk bucks

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm, unless you really wanna run dagger right now this second, I wouldn't.

It is the correct blessings though and tier 4 doesn't make a huge difference.

[cloud heron]

i have a theory that hadron bricks out weapons on purpose because she has a crush on us, and if she gave us good weapons we wouldnt come to see her anymore

[lethal lagoon]

Stats aren't great but you probably won't even notice em.

Definitely good enough to use.

[harsh urchin]

Yeah i would not use it if thats the case you need it for

Knife has two main strengths

[rain meadow]

no, now we have psykers who just never press f

[harsh urchin]

It has one of the highest melee dps in the game if you have stamina, and you run really fast

If you need more of a defensive weapon for clearing trash or a more general purpose defensive weapon

I suggest illisi, devil claw or chsword as options

[worthy rose]

im using an antak mk v combat axe this thing shreds

[rain meadow]

its not bad

[harsh urchin]

Caxe with bm always timelessly good

[rain meadow]

this penance is pain

[worthy rose]

with brutal and flak it feels so good

[rain meadow]

its so luck based

i mean i guess if i want on auric id probably get it done but

on auric i KIDNA WANT TO BE ALLOWED TO USE MY COMBAT ABILITY

ya know?

[vast yew]

Find a Scab Melee Maelstrom and it's ez pz

[rain meadow]

im not good enough to play on the ultra hard difficulty

[lethal lagoon]

Nah, on melee maelstrom you literally just spam surge and you'll outperform 99% of pubs.

Make sure it's a psyker friendly map though.

[rain meadow]

yeah i realllly dont like that its "optimal" for me to never use the ability my build is centred around

[vast yew]

"never" being 5 minutes of the map

soon as you see the penance pop, shriek away

[rain meadow]

yeah but while im TRYING to get it

its optimal to play like a moron

which is dumb

and kinda shit game design

[slow raven]

Don’t use warp siphon

[rain meadow]

?

which one is that again?

[slow raven]

The one that takes away your warp charges when using your combat ability

[vast yew]

you have to use that, because otherwise you don't get warp charges

also IIRC you also have to have the upgrade to go to 6 charges

[slow raven]

God I

Just woke up

[rain meadow]

ur

[slow raven]

Fml

[rain meadow]

fucking dumb

[vast yew]

lol

good morning

[slow raven]

Shoot me

[rain meadow]

dont use THIS warp siphon?

THE THING THAT GIVES ME WARP CHARGES?

THE THING I NEED FOR THE PENANCE???????

BRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH

[vast yew]

He explained he just woke up

You don't need to be a twat

[rain meadow]

yeah im sorry

[slow raven]

Lmao it’s ok

[rain meadow]

this penance is just really frustrating

[vast yew]

that it definitely can be

[rain meadow]

300 seconds is a LONG fucking time

[vast yew]

there's also a decent chance you get it by accident, once you can run HISTG Damnation

[slow raven]

I don’t enjoy how they designed a lot of the penances

[vast yew]

but below that it's a real pain

[rain meadow]

and it doesnt help that people keep STEALING MY FUCKING SPECIALIST KILLS

[cloud heron]

i originally did the penance at launch when warp charges worked differently but I feel like blazing trauma would work really well for it

[rain meadow]

brain rupture isnt bad, people are just assholes who keep stealing my kills

[spice veldt]

does BR still give you kill credit as long as it was charged >50%

[rain meadow]

no idea

[rain meadow]

blazing trauma?

[digital narwhal]

So Surge is working as intended now, right?

[cloud heron]

trauma staff with blazing spirit blessing

[vast yew]

Blazing Trauma = Trauma staff with Blazing Spirit and Warp Nexus

[slow raven]

Seems so yeah

[rain meadow]

im keeping my purg staff

and my deimos force sword

[vast yew]

Purg might have trouble killing Elites, which are one of the easy ways to get charges

[rain meadow]

it doesnt help ive literally built my psyker to just get my shirek off cooldown as fast as possible and use it literally whenever its up

[cloud heron]

i feel like blazing trauma is just more flexible, and can be used for longer periods of time

[rain meadow]

i mean yeah, but the problem isnt mainaining charges when there ARE eliters

it maintining charges when there ARENT

brain rupture can kill em fine

but sometimes its just like

300 regular ass dudes

and this HELPS

but

what about in elevators?

[vast yew]

well with Purg you should get charges pretty fast from In Fire Reborn

[rain meadow]

what THEN?

[cloud heron]

if you're doing soulblaze you want fire reborn, yeah

[rain meadow]

i was using that for a while

and couldnt get it

because

fuckers kept stealing my kills

[violet oak]

pick a map like throneside

[rain meadow]

i swear this would be EASIER in a true solo

[violet oak]

Throneside doesnt have any elevators, its just the bridges, which will spawn plenty of enemies

[ionic sorrel]

What kind of curios did you take?

[cloud heron]

that's what I was saying about trauma. It has longer range and can grab kills easier, and the way it spreads soulblaze is just a bit more useful

purge i feel like has issues with you falling behind the team if you try to use it too much

[violet oak]

The first carnival map is pretty good in that regard too, you have a build up to that hack room, and if you move quick enough you can get out and kill the specials there

[rain meadow]

i dont tend to feel it, especially considering how many missions force you to just WAIT in an area for a while

cough cough the newest mission

theorhetically i could just wait for 5 minutes at the very end of the newest mission

enemies spawn forever

and it spawns very few specials

i could just STAND THERE with a purg staff

but id rather not force my teammates to wait 5 minutes

while i brainlessly hold m1

[digital narwhal]

Seems like it could still use a damage buff

I've got max damage on mine, Flak + Elites, Warp Rider, and Perfect Timing going and it won't kill Gunners without a crit.

And even then

the low roll crit doesn't kill

[willow hazel]

Mine kills gunners without a crit

[digital narwhal]

Show the Staff and the build?

[ornate hamlet]

Soulblaze also needs you to apply it, so you're trading 10% on something that requires your input specifically compared to 4% of anything your team does

[digital narwhal]

Or are you using Warp Siphon?

[harsh urchin]

You're going to have a much easier time

[digital narwhal]

'Cause I don't like using Warp Siphon.
It's way too expensive to build into.

[harsh urchin]

With a weapon that kills specials

For this challenge

[cloud heron]

yeah but the input is presumably the thing you're doing most of the time

[subtle swift]

there was so much dandruff and dead skin in my keyboard my left alt stopped working. now screen shots are working again yay

[digital narwhal]

That's a Scab Gunner

I was testing on Dreg Gunners

They have more HP

If you can't one shot both Gunners consistently, then it feels shitty

[subtle swift]

now i can ask my question again.... should i buy this sword? ;O

[willow hazel]

I didn't even know they had different hp. It hits for 1351 without crit, not killing the dreg gunner

[digital narwhal]

Also, Surge Staff has damage rolls

Like Pokemon moves

[rain meadow]

it would be super fucking easy to do

[digital narwhal]

It can low roll or high roll

:D

It's so dumb

[willow hazel]

but it still has a ~50% crit chance and any ambient soulfire damage should kill

[rain meadow]

but i come from drg and the last thing i want to do is annoy my teammates

[icy wyvern]

The way I got warp battery was loading into auric damnation and using brain burst on any special i could see

Its the hardest one, for sure

[lethal lagoon]

2 Toughness, 1 HP. All 5% HP and 5% toughness, except one 4% toughness to hit exactly 200.

I think both toughnesses were 17% and hp was 20

[icy wyvern]

curio schmurio

hit things better

[willow hazel]

All the enemies that barely miss the one shot breakpoint just die 0.2 seconds later to minimum charge surge

[strong gulch]

Yup. It's an upgrade. You can replace precog with T4 Uncanny. Perks and rampage are good. So you're free to swap the second thing around.

[digital narwhal]

That's still an issue.
It still significantly raises TTK.

It's supposed to be a single target Staff, and it misses valuable one shots on certain enemies.

[willow hazel]

Idk about significantly, it's less than 0.5 seconds even if you are very sloppy

[lethal lagoon]

No.

[static needle]

Do you reeeeaaally want quietude if youre running vent with soulblaze?

[willow hazel]

quietude is pretty strong

[spice veldt]

sure y not

[digital narwhal]

Considering the time between fully charging and min charging is in split seconds, you needing to min charge a Gunner to finish them off means spending almost twice as long clearing out Dreg Gunners, as opposed to being able to one shot them back to back.

[lethal lagoon]

I'm so used to quietude I feel naked without it.

[spice veldt]

you're more likely to be bottlenecked by your peril generation than your quelling

[strong gulch]

If it's a pressing situation, that missed break point can be the difference in turning the tide in your favor.

BUT there are typically have other people playing too.

[long zodiac]

what's the max base toughness on a curio?

[willow hazel]

A full charge + a min charge doesn't take 2x as long as a single full charge. Maybe it adds 20-30% to the TTK

[lethal lagoon]

I just swap gunners and the offshoot eventually kills em and PC starts going, same journey, same destination 🤷‍♂️

[cloud heron]

what's wrong with quietitude here? Isn't being able to vent to instantly restore a bunch of toughness a really good synergy?

[strong gulch]

17

Not counting perks.

[static needle]

@strong gulch Nothing wrong with it im just hella sadge that i cant run it for my voidstrike dmg build atm

[long zodiac]

cool

[static needle]

do i remove smite lightning spread talent?

i feel like its necessary to make smite good at all

[lethal lagoon]

17 + 5 if you are a and big numbers make brain feel big.

[digital narwhal]

Just tested.
2.89 seconds vs 1.53 seconds.

Of course there is slight human error, but...

that goes to show.

Missing the one shot on Dreg Gunners results in us taking literally almost twice as long to clear them out.

[strong gulch]

The spread only works on the LMB. The spread isn't worth it.

[static needle]

wait what

is this true? verify, someone

[subtle swift]

cheers ^_^

[strong gulch]

It might of changed.

Previously it didn't.

[willow hazel]

those seem really high. Are you canceling?

[digital narwhal]

Switch cancelling?

[willow hazel]

yeah

[lethal lagoon]

Smite is too finicky, I've tried testing it and result changes.

[digital narwhal]

You shouldn't need switch cancelling to make a weapon competitive

[lethal lagoon]

Either way, base smite can cover the whole map, so, it's pointless.

[willow hazel]

you don't need to, but those but those numbers become closer to 0.6s and 0.8s-1.2s depending on how well you cancel

[digital narwhal]

But still, even with switch cancelling, it'd be near double again

[willow hazel]

only if you cancel really poorly

and even then, it still crits 50% of the time.

[digital narwhal]

I found how to to get around it

I'll use Scrier's Gaze

[rain meadow]

you WHAT

[digital narwhal]

I'll use Scrier's Gaze

with Surge Staff

[willow hazel]

Someone here stans Scrier's + Surge

[digital narwhal]

@glossy ember

[static needle]

ur gonna need every -5 peril gen node you can find then

[strong gulch]

#psyker-class message
https://youtu.be/mxPGYtWQ77U?si=GEJNNDs7OB04OWpX

Surge and scrier's makes a feature.

[opal gyro]

Can Wildfire give an enemy more stacks of soulblaze if they already have 4+, or does it literally mean it won't do anything if they have 4 or higher already

[strong gulch]

It won't do anything.

[opal gyro]

[strong gulch]

The target can up more SB stacks from other sources.

[opal gyro]

True

[cloud heron]

it would definitely be way too strong otherwise. Imagine burning 5 poxwalkers surrounding a crusher and dumping 20 stacks of soulblaze onto the crusher

[opal gyro]

Fair point, but at the same time, that'd be funny.

[untold widget]

imagine dumping 20 stacks of soulfire on a crusher and when it dies it only sends 1 stack to 4 groaners.

[strong gulch]

Think about wildfire for better sustain or preloading SB stacks when your have moderate and regular SB application.

PC on its own or Creeping flames on its own isn't a great match. Purg has too much SB application to really see a benefit.

Fire trauma can actually use the sustain and preloading fro wildfire.

[untold widget]

1 stack of soulfire does like 4 damage though

it's just so...not worth it. Especially if you lose something like Empathic Evasion or a 6th warp charge

[strong gulch]

Like I said, specifically for fire trauma and not much else.

[untold widget]

except fire trauma can dump soul blaze on an entire zip code

[strong gulch]

Various other people did the math and have has this convo before. You can search the discord and read the Atheneum.

[vast yew]

IIRC the Atheneum has a bit in there where it says Wildfire is for getting Warp charges back from In Fire Reborn and only for spreading fire for In Fire Reborn

[strong gulch]

Not only but yes. Pair them together.

[vast yew]

the problem with Fire Trauma + Wildfire is that Trauma gives everything the same number of stacks in a huge AoE, which makes it... problematic to get Wildfire to actually do anything

[digital narwhal]

Trying out SG Surge Staff

[vast yew]

since it can't spread stacks to something with equal to ore more stacks than the thing that died

[digital narwhal]

Got literally one shot by silent enemies that waltzed up behind me

[ornate hamlet]

I love the crafting system I love the crafting system I love the crafting system I love the crafting system I love the crafting system I love the crafting system I love the crafting system I love the crafting system I love the crafting system

[digital narwhal]

Wtf is this sound design?

[vast yew]

sneaky crushers and ragers at it again

[digital narwhal]

It was Scab Bruisers

They were just

silent

[vast yew]

oh lol

[digital narwhal]

literally no noise

[vast yew]

least that's a bug

[ornate hamlet]

A buggy-wuggy

[digital narwhal]

Through 141 Toughness and 225 HP

Just got

[vast yew]

this last map the only time I went down was because I got Trapper'd... and then my teammates chased the Trapper while a Crusher walked up and overhead'd me

[digital narwhal]

vibe checked

100 to 0

all literally at once

[opal gyro]

I'll keep blaze trauma in mind, but at the same time I do find the purgatus staff fun

[vast yew]

yeah if 3-4 bruisers hit you simultaneously it'll ruin you

[digital narwhal]

Especially if they're SILENT

[vast yew]

sneaky sneaks

must've been trained by Creed himself

also quick question: what perks do people run on Surge

Flak is a given but what's the second

Atheneum says Unarmored but that feels... wrong

[severe folio]

anyone know what does this icon mean ?

[urban sandal]

probably weeklies

[severe folio]

ah ok

[vivid mica]

can confirm, is weekly contract completions

[olive ember]

people do weeklies?

[urban sandal]

melk is the blessing vendor so yeah

[olive ember]

comon man, you are an experienced darktide player

how could you forget to check behind your every 5 seconds?

[dawn spoke]

what perks for this? carapace and maniac?

[untold widget]

could do

and grats

have fun not melting that for Surge known

[dawn spoke]

I feel bad cus that's only the second staff I've crafted :x

[untold widget]

well now I hate you

I made this

dunno what to do with it

[severe folio]

can give it to me

[dawn spoke]

stab heretics I think

[severe folio]

or replace riposte with uncanny

[untold widget]

yeah, but also riposte FT could be fun

[severe folio]

uncanny goes throguh armor quicker

[daring linden]

nice staff!

[untold widget]

think I might turn block efficiency into something and then use it as is, dunno if I wanna keep unyielding

oh shit unyielding is the highest damage profile

maybe I do

so change block to maniac and riposte to uncanny

I'll figure something out

i hate that I can't test riposte in psyk

[fading depot]

you ever had a moment where you're just going down and dying and taking a bunch of damage over and over in a game like

'i feel like such a sandbag'

and then comes the end and its like 'oh i did 730k damage and got 900 kills'

psyker moment

[severe folio]

all the time

[violet oak]

why are you taking damage

[fading depot]

i am aggressive

[violet oak]

That doesnt mean you should be taking damage

[untold widget]

dodges 5 times in a row before the enemy gets up to him and then can't go anywhere

jesus, the push stab on the new knife is crazy

[pale pilot]

yeah, it's great. i think i've accidentalyl oneshot flamers with it before

[cedar shore]

Does every stack in disrupt destiny have its own timer or do the whole stack timer reset when you gain a new one

[pale pilot]

new stacks refresh it, but it all drops at once

it'd be way better if it lost one stack at a time like warp charges but it drops all of them when it drops, making it annoying if you're not sweatlording to make sure you have maximum uptime

oh right, now that crushers and maulers can talk, i finally got to hear a crusher taunt back at us about ogryn being strongest and we'll have to do better than that when we knocked him on his ass

[cedar shore]

I mean one of the exclusive choice is to have 30 stack but the passive only rolls for the mark per second and the stack last 15 second no? can't get to 30 if they each have individual timer

[vast yew]

Alright need advice as to what to change the Stamina perk to for this:

[rain meadow]

hello space wizards

[vast yew]

The Atheneum says Unarmored but that can't be right... can it?

[rain meadow]

does our beloved have any wisdom for us today?

[untold widget]

just lost a 5HIHG to 14 dreg gunners hiding behind a demonhost

[urban sandal]

yeah, trauma staff best staff

[rain meadow]

gotta love dreg gunners

[rain meadow]

im still gonna use the purg

burning things is fun

[urban sandal]

you can burn things with trauma staff too

[pale pilot]

maximum blue fire my beloved

[rain meadow]

yeah, but not as many, and not as much

[vast yew]

guys guys please you can compare the size of your staves later

[rain meadow]

hello delta

[pale pilot]

yeah purg is better because it's consitent fire, while trauma is big bursts of weak fire that just are more random and not as satisfying

[vast yew]

also given that's the third time I've asked what to put for the 2nd perk on Surge and gotten no reply I guess it's safe to say that no one knows wtf to do there

[urban sandal]

I personally find trauma very satisfying

[untold widget]

sorry didn't see, maniac

[pale pilot]

yeah trauma activates other neurons too, like "haha you can't hurt my teammates if you're on the ground, bulwarks"

[vast yew]

makes sense, cheers

[pale pilot]

or when a ginormous pack gets that critfire and everything is on fire

[urban sandal]

and the explosion sound in tandem with the elite/specialist kill sound is just

[pale pilot]

ye

[rain meadow]

3 stacks isnt that many

[vast yew]

I don't have the Plasteel

[pale pilot]

it's absolutely nothing

[vast yew]

welp 1 more map before bed tehn

[pale pilot]

but it's nice to see, jafsrob

and it does do damage in the aggregate

[vast yew]

3 stacks is fine, but 6 stacks is enough damage to kill groaners and poxwalkers

coincidentally, 6 is the max for Blazing Spirit on Staves

[urban sandal]

it isn't but the radius that it applies the blaze stacks in is massive

[rain meadow]

or i could use purg staff and apply amounts of soulblaze that actually matter

[pale pilot]

yeah if you apply any stagger on something with the trauma and i'ts a crit? that's soulblaze stacks

[vast yew]

Purg is for when you want to use a flamethrower

[rain meadow]

have you SEEN the area purg can cover?

[vast yew]

trauma is for when you want to use an infinite grenade machine

[urban sandal]

I'm aware

[vast yew]

I guarantee you it is not 70 square meters, which is what Trauma hits

[rain meadow]

purgatus staff MY BELOVED

[pale pilot]

like soulblaze trauma absolutely puts in work and can do wacky damage numbers, but most of the time my desire is for the satisfaction of purg

[rain meadow]

its effectivly the staffs reach in a circle around the weilder

[dull haven]

Jumped on my Psyker brushing off the layer of dust and I remember last I played I got this god tier roll

[pale pilot]

though i still take the wildfire perk even though it sucks because F I R E

[dull haven]

Too bad I don't play psyk much anymore

[vast yew]

oh god

[rain meadow]

gotta love burning shit

like dont get me wrong trauma is cool

but aiming it is a BITCH

[pale pilot]

also it's funny to use my blazing 4 illisi shred sword in a crowd with it

[rain meadow]

i think that more than anything else puts me off of using it

[pale pilot]

because much blue

many fire

[vast yew]

objectively speaking, Trauma is better than Purgatus because it can kill hordes with fire while killing Elites, and it has left click for range.
subjectively speaking, both are completely viable on Auric Maelstroms, so run whichever you want

[urban sandal]

I play with controller and still swear by the trauma staff

[vast yew]

you are a madman and I salute you

[rain meadow]

i still feel that the sheer VALUE offered by deflector makes it a must take on the force swords

not just the blocking bullets thing either

[pale pilot]

i also controller

[rain meadow]

30% reduction in block cost is pretty solid

[vast yew]

If I recall correctly the block cost reduction only works vs. ranged

which is a bit of a bummer

[rain meadow]

oh shit actually?

thats kinda dumb

stilll

[pale pilot]

i really wish deflector was a default behavior of force swords

[rain meadow]

blocking bullets is really nice when 4 gunners round the corner and decide you look defensless ans shootable