psyker-class

[glossy ember]

so you can have both

keep left one for flexible perk like carapace/unyielding/elite and use right one for anything else

[late anchor]

hey guys, just was curious abt stun support psyker. ive been experimenting with purg vs smite for stuns and it feels that purg is a lot more efficient in stunning, maintaining peril, and dmg

i might be wrong but i was wondering what other ppl were thinking

[violet oak]

Use your mind, and simply dream them away

[near wyvern]

That's pretty sweet

Same as old one

[tame venture]

well, idk if i want to risk spending loads of money for a new knife that is only so better

[near wyvern]

In it's current state blazing spirit on force swords is nothing more but a pretty visual effect

[strong gulch]

Purg does actual damage. It can't stagger crushers or monstrosities, but it can stagger everything else with LMB.

Smite is CC. Even EP smite is ehhh for damage when other options allow you to do other things faster or multitask.

[untold niche]

Does anyone run void flurry over nexus for their voidstaff?
I can really feel flurry and have never thought "goddam I'm lucky I got the random crit"

But on paper nexus is better right?

[subtle swift]

is +1 lightning jump worth that point?

[strong gulch]

no

[untold niche]

No.

[subtle swift]

thanks

[late anchor]

i do, flurry has been pretty great. on paper nexus is more dps but flurry does sm more in horde clear situations

[untold niche]

Yeah that's what I thought too. Horde clear better

@near wyvern mr Pygex do you run flurry or nexus

[late anchor]

but then again im relatively new and its just what ive felt so far while running auric

[untold niche]

I only pinged you because you are online. No angery :v

[strong gulch]

Up front, I don't really like void. In part it's because of the charge time. So I take flurry. You can do flurry + surge and get crits via true aim.

There are a few different builds for VS, and I think what you choose comes down to preference.

[strong gulch]

You can get just a white to get a feel for it. Doesn't have to be god rolled stats.

[tame venture]

well i have an old knife with all good blessings and perks

[glossy ember]

bubble feels so much more useful this patch with how scary bomber/flamers are

pushin the lil nade outside the shield range is underrated

[untold niche]

Genuinely feel void needs buff.
In the time I take to fire two shots at a gunner, i could have proced crit with surgical and reloaded with revolver.

[strong gulch]

If you're satisfied with old knife then there isn't a reason to try new knife.

If you're curious about new knife, you can spend 10K ordos for white and play around with it.

[subtle swift]

toughness or toughness damage redux

damage redux sounds better overall

[midnight cove]

what kinda curios do you guys run on psyker?

[spice veldt]

the +15 toughness nodes are always better than the +5% toughness DR nodes, unless your main source of regen is coherency regen

[subtle swift]

ah kk

ty

[glossy ember]

2x hp 1x stam

[subtle swift]

this is the build i have been testing been performing pretty good. any tips?

[midnight cove]

why stam?

[untold niche]

Arco adco

Arco

Warp nexus or flurry

[strong gulch]

The Psyker Atheneum up in the pins has a section on stamina.

[crude cape]

god, trauma + warp siphon build is so fucking strong on the scab only all melee modifier

so close to breaking 1mil

went down a few times like a noob but team always managed to pick up ogryn was clutch

[spice veldt]

no idea, unfortunately
my guess would be that nexus has a slight edge but then there's true aim and whatnot

[strong gulch]

Are you still leveling? What are your weapons?

Creeping flames doesn't have enough soulbaze up time to benefit from wildfire. Wildfire only works in very specific builds.

[subtle swift]

i play in auric damnation

but even there i can make mistakes

build wise

thanks i will test a diff talent

[midnight cove]

I prefer flurry alot

[crude cape]

same, 1.2k hours i ask tons of questions. i answer a lot too. some of the guys here seem to know everything (some do and are super good lol) but most of the time people usually specialize in what they're good at, and things change/updates happen. I dont always have time to research every weapon mark etc. or spend plasteel to test myself (sometimes sure, but not everytime) so i ask instead often
basically, what im saying is no harm in not knowing/asking. dont feel bad about it, we all do it
I learned that the MK1 bully club on ogryn does more unyielding dmg on the H2, not the H1 strikedown 2-3 days ago after using it for...50 ogryn levels and constantly dueling bosses with it lol
shit happens

[spice veldt]

I'd not run it on the illisi but it's a good blessing of its own right

I just dislike dodge blessings because they rely on your teammates not having any stagger weapons

and the illisi will stagger anything short of ogryns and bosses

[subtle swift]

yeah im at 105 hours on my steam account but i played like 200 on my game pass one. but i still learn stuff all the time. and stuff is always changing lol

[lunar hollow]

learning like everything about this game takes so much time and a bunch of it changes every patch

[subtle swift]

yee :P

[lunar hollow]

FUCK all the unlisted changes

[spice veldt]

i don't answer questions about rending anymore cuz i have no idea about the specifics

[lunar hollow]

the only answer u really need is rending good

take it on like everything that gets it unless u know exactly why u dont want it

[strong gulch]

Uncanny was changed again.

Can't trust patch notes or tool tips. So much isn't even described in the game.

[lunar hollow]

my uncanny/slaught illisi was doin like 1.8k to crushers

it was some shit

[subtle swift]

i watch Realasianrobot abit but sometimes i disargee with his build choices. but to each their own right lol. i still like to chat and learn

[lunar hollow]

i wouldnt trust him in the slightest tbh. really bad source of info for anything objective

[crude cape]

i still havent tried force swords with uncanny, i need to. so much plasteel...... pls fatshark can i have some moar

[lunar hollow]

made an ass of himself doing AWFUL tests for the old plasma gun charge rate bug

tried to prove it didn't exist but would use guns with the same charge rate that had different damage/stopping power stats

[subtle swift]

hey everyone makes mistakes did he at least correct himself?

[lunar hollow]

no

[strong gulch]

He can be helpful, but he also has a history of spreading misinformation.

[subtle swift]

thats a bad miss then

[crude cape]

unluckily all my well rolled illisi's have unstable locked in rather than slaught.
i guess I could do unstable/uncanny tho

[lunar hollow]

him and claythestics are the dt youtubers i would definitely avoid

[strong gulch]

yee

[lunar hollow]

telopots, action window, and rykerzz are the best for objective information to my knowledge

[strong gulch]

Uncanny + unstable is good. Especially if you can get slaughterer.

[subtle swift]

Mugsy the veteran voice actor also says alot of missinfo

on his youtube

but his voice is cool so it makes up for it

:P

[river zodiac]

what y'all think about the savant voice? idk if i wanna change it rn

[crude cape]

i dont like to be mean but...man his videos are the worst
regardless of his accuracy of builds (which isnt good either, or ok at best) just show me the damn build. he rambles on and on and on going back and forth on the tree talking about every interaction.
his format is very rambly and frustrating to even watch. I also feel like i know more about the game than him (and im far from the most knowledgeable) when he talks sometimes so...idk. hes mid at best

theres a stark lack of good youtubers for darktide

[violet oak]

gotta hit that time minimum for $

[strong gulch]

Do you mean Ryken XIV?

[crude cape]

[lunar hollow]

yeah

[subtle swift]

yeah and he acts abit too cocky like his build isnt something hundreds of players came up with without watching a build video lol. there are a limited amount of points in the game so you are not the only one to think of these things. but he acts like hes the only one.

[lunar hollow]

my bad lol

[strong gulch]

no worries

[crude cape]

Ryken XIV is probably the best darktide youtuber.
but hes been wrong and suggested weird builds for weird reasons before

[strong gulch]

I can never remember the 14 part. I had to look it up lol

[crude cape]

or reasons that make sense on paper but not in gameplay

[lunar hollow]

the thing about builds is like

lot of it is subjective

[strong gulch]

yee

[crude cape]

ya its a skill game

its true

[strong gulch]

Ryken also likes themes

[lunar hollow]

u have to kind of try to make a shitty build

[crude cape]

whatever you perform with, and dont die all the time with

is good

also whatever is fun for you

[spice veldt]

the days of patch <12 are behind us thankfully

[strong gulch]

yip yip

[lunar hollow]

this game was so much more boring before lmao

[crude cape]

BUT

[spice veldt]

can run whatever and not be punished for not knowing that 80% of weapons are dogshit

[subtle swift]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lY8SuASzf4Q&t=508s

[crude cape]

that doesnt mean that when a content creator has a factually wrong or just an L take they get a pass lmao

[subtle swift]

one of the vet voice actors

[crude cape]

just means they're allowed to be wrong

lol

[near wyvern]

Both

On all but trauma

[subtle swift]

:3

[near wyvern]

With trauma I use blazing spirit + nexus

[crude cape]

lol was thinking about this match, assassination mission. i did the most boss dmg on psyker. and we had a TH zealot
I popped a combat stimm and just poked the captain to fucking death with dueling sword. lol ez 30k dmg
i have the mission saved, anyone wanna try to duo all melee, scab only assassination mission?

ive been wanting to try to duo one lol

if anyone has a good build for the mode and is brave 👀

[subtle swift]

so i took off creeping flames and wildfire now i got 2 points to work with. i think i might try to get mind in motion.

being able to quell while moving faster will be nice

[strong gulch]

Creeping flames is really good, but if you want to try something different, go for it.

You can quell while dodge sliding.

[subtle swift]

oh someone said its not worth it with wildfire up above :O

[strong gulch]

Take creeping flames but not wildfire.

[midnight cove]

how tf is this possible, I've blocked 3 people lol

[subtle swift]

switch between the social tabs it usually fixes it for me

[midnight cove]

ah thanks

this zealot was a new breed, refused to heal when he didnt even have martyrdom lol

[strong gulch]

ummmm what? Iirc there is a block limit but 3 is not it. Hope the suggested fix works.

[midnight cove]

it did work

[strong gulch]

nice

[subtle swift]

i will do that :P

im just gunna take 15 more tough then

all i can really do at this point with my last point haha

thanks for the tips @everyone ^_^

[strong gulch]

There are example builds in the Atheneum in the pinned messages if you are interested. Key or "mandatory talents are listed with each. Adapt them to make the build your own.

[plucky flax]

[subtle swift]

ah yeah i took a gander the other day to get some ideas :P

[strong gulch]

I stand by wildfire on fire trauma.

As far as I know, creeping flames and PC were the only sources of SB on an EP smite build. So no wildfire.

[plucky flax]

I use wildfire with my surge creeping flame build.

[strong gulch]

If they gave us blazing spirit on surge staff, I'd be happy.

Don't even care if it's good.

[plucky flax]

Btw my g502 arrives. Still getting used to the ergo design as I've always used traditional mouse shape prior.

[strong gulch]

Just saw someone doing meat grinder things. They were being slammed by a mutant and a sniper kicked them.

Biggest emotional damage.

[plucky flax]

It's good though I like it. Fast charges and battery lasts forever.

[strong gulch]

Ooh! I hope hope they serve you well.

[plucky flax]

If they break after a few years I'd upgrade to the g502 x plus then. Hopefully that'll be cheaper at the time. 😄

Heard the x plus got upgraded switch over the regular 502 lightspeed.

[strong gulch]

Oof hopefully. Those mice were a shiny feck penny.

Oh good to know. I may need to get a new mouse soon. Mine is double clicking sometimes.

Makes high peril or pushing bursters tricky.

[vagrant frigate]

never using that trash new knife again

mk3 is bae

oh how i missed u mk3

[plucky flax]

Which one you have?

[strong gulch]

g402. It's years old.

[plucky flax]

Old school. 😮

Tbf my old steel series mouse still works and I got it in 2017.

[tame venture]

i still have a G400s

[strong gulch]

I think that's around when I got my mouse.

[plucky flax]

Now I need to get some pbt keycaps for my keyboard.

[tame venture]

it's used and abused to the point that the badge that's on the palmswell corroded away and fell off

mechanically its fine, but it's impossible to clean

[plucky flax]

The default ones come with my keyboard is so bad. I've only got it for 4 or 5 months and loads of chip damage already.

[strong gulch]

The only time the wire is a problem is when the cat wants to lay on the cord. Very rare, but still.

heck

[tame venture]

things like the mousewheel are sticking, no matter how hard i try to clean out the crevices

[strong gulch]

Sticky electronics are horrible.

[tame venture]

yeah, i'm not that dirty of a person, but my keycaps and mouse are magnetized to it

...enamel keycaps aren't a thing, are they?
something that grime won't stick to

[strong gulch]

I remember spilling soda pop on a super nintendo controller as a kid. I still haven't recovered.

[strong gulch]

IDK. I know there are customization kits. You can diy something.

[tame venture]

i feel like they'd be more of a desired item

non-stick keypads lol

[glossy ember]

wondering if i should drop mind in motion and go for malefic momentum in my bubble build

[strong gulch]

I know there is no wipe top coat gel that cures in LED or UV. Apply it to a clean scuffed surface and cure it. It will be smooth with no sticky layer. Will probably need maintenance tho.

[strong gulch]

I'm in favor.

[tame venture]

you know, what are all your thoughts on various, "vertical mice"?
there's a few that are meant for office work, and there one or two for gaming, but they range from normal mice with a different resting position, to a pseudo-joystick

https://youtu.be/g19e3ruhzRo

[glossy ember]

would help prepping a bubble drop by getting some stacks, to avoid feeling the loss of warp charges...

and i don't seem to quell as much as when I use scrier

sliding with knife and switching to staff and quelling seems to keep the momentum too

only issue would be when i accidentally quell with assail ugh

[strong gulch]

Haven't used them nor do I know anyone who does. That being said, being able to do stuff in different ways / angles might be nice to mitigate wear and tear on our fleshy bits.

[crude cape]

I thought I was so dead here, but trauma staff too OP
@spice veldt im calling you out bc i respect you as a psyker and i was proud of this lmao sorry, i couldn't believe i lived after pinning myself in a dead end, but DH was on other side so was scary

[glossy ember]

i'm thinking of getting one

[tame venture]

i can see the logic of it being easier on your hand with how the muscules are aligned, etc

[strong gulch]

That was scary.

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

bad positioning never stopped anyone with the trauma staff (until it does)

[gloomy magnet]

[tame venture]

what's the staff look like?

[crude cape]

lmao exactly

[crude cape]

like the build im using?
this one

grr on + infested but, nice otherwise

[strong gulch]

better dog dps

[crude cape]

ya and it kinda does let me 1 tap bursters with basically no charge, vs like half a charge

i tell myself thats good

to make it feel better lol

[tame venture]

poxwalker shredding, that's the real niche here .

[strong gulch]

As long as bursters are in the epicenter, they explode.

Infested is not the worst thing ever.

[tame venture]

it could be stamina

[strong gulch]

Looking at you + stamina.

[crude cape]

1 more from that same match.
I kinda think trauma might be the best weapon in the game for all melee scab only maelstrom lol, at least close to it. like you can more or less control an entire horde of elites and rend them

[glossy ember]

or i could take both and remove kinetic deflection....

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1182070167476391947/image.png?ex=65835ba1&is=6570e6a1&hm=48ada0278e19424153557c6c32c4515b1321e1a5c1faeff251f37c245dc9f8ee&

toss up between KD and malefic momentum, both are kinda situational

kd shines when i gotta revive someone but i could just be more careful and plan a revive better

MM would shine if I set it up before using ult

it's more common to ult than it is to revive...

MM can work outside of its use case actually

[strong gulch]

If you switch a lot, MM. If you don't them the point might be better somewhere else.

You could do another bubble point or PC if you don't switch attack types often.

[glossy ember]

oh if I don't take MM i don't think anything is worth it over kd

pc doesn't bring enough damage for me

and toughness gen is not enough value considering i don't bubble that much

[strong gulch]

valid

[glossy ember]

mm is mainly to cover the loss of warp charges

and occasionally get some stacks if i cant surge or assail for w/e reason

really it's to make it so bubble doesn't gimp me to oblivion whenever i pop one

i'll give it a shot

i think i quell enough for mind in motion to still be worth taking

[strong gulch]

Even with dodge sliding?

[glossy ember]

probably yeah

sometimes u just gotta reposition and save ur dodges

i'll give both setups a shot

[strong gulch]

kk

[plucky flax]

New discord mobile midnight theme is so sick on led screen.

[quartz barn]

Midnight has been a thing for so long tho

Was just an easter egg before

[plucky flax]

Damn I only got it with this new ui update.

[midnight cove]

where do I spend the last point for a voidstrike crit build? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9acc6d86-4fc2-4fed-a977-3abf200c1c40

[quartz barn]

No you could get it by selecting dark theme multiple times

[midnight cove]

been running soulstealer but I feel like it might be a bit redundant

[strong gulch]

Anticipation is still bugged. The +1 still works tho.

[midnight cove]

feel like the alternative would be pretty inconsistent anyway

[pale pilot]

the alternative is pretty great to have passively going. you don't intend to rely on it but it does just sometimes save your ass

[midnight cove]

I could see that

the extra dodge can be pretty nice too tho

[quartz barn]

Extra dodge is nice of staff, I never get cucked by dodge limit now

[strong gulch]

No warp wider. 🥲

WS so expensive.

[midnight cove]

yee

could prob drop something for it but

its pretty awkward I think

and this way I don't need to greed for high peril :^)

[crude cape]

i have this laying around, dont even rememebr when i crafted it lol how does bloodthirsty perform if spamming special + heavy?

im probs gonna try it out just to see, i know its not the meta but

been using dueling swords since patch 13

is it alright at least?

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s OK

Not my cup of tea, but OK

I prefer just having Uncanny Strike over Bloodthirsty

[crude cape]

ya everyone seems to be on uncanny strike, but no one ran it before so i dont have it on any of my old pre 13 force sword builds QQ

[strong gulch]

You got slaughter so you're good tbh. Bloodthirsty is ok.

Yeah rending had some changes.

[obtuse moth]

unstable power is pretty nice on illisi

[strong gulch]

this is true.

[idle bay]

There is one very sad thing about Illsi with T4 Slaughterer - you only starting to have fun and then mixed horde ends.. dead 🙂

[untold niche]

wait i don't get it, what do you use on void. like actually those two without surge?

with voidstrike nexus, is the calculation:
Weapon base: 10
nexus max: 20
Psyker base: 5
35%?

[glossy ember]

psyker base is 7.5 i believe

add aura for 5, node for 5

[obtuse moth]

^

[tall temple]

chainsword?

[midnight cove]

I think I'm getting the hang of voidstrike 😳

that mission took ages tho

[west fjord]

RIP mobility, but otherwise this works

[midnight cove]

spicy

[near wyvern]

I use warp nexus and flurry for void because flurry is just a simple flat DPS increase and I prefer nexus over surge for the huge increase in critical hit chance which helps to keep up Perfect Timing at max stacks all the time

Surge is nice but too random for me

[midnight cove]

I like surge+flurry

surge is def pretty random but not necessarily always, you can charge up true aim with melee swings

I also like not having to rely on my peril being high

[strong gulch]

booooooo

[midnight cove]

wish docket income would increase across the board

along with plasteel of course

[quasi junco]

are you running a critstrike build? I love voidstrike

[bold maple]

or just copy vermintide 2 crafting and call it a day

[midnight cove]

Yeah wish they did this from the start

[midnight cove]

Yeah, no nexus though

I don't particularly love surge tbh but other than flurry I think it's just so much stronger than the alternatives

[untold niche]

i change to bobble, and it is more comfortable but i keep exploding because im not used that i can't vent on F

[midnight cove]

lmao I had that alot initially

but the bubble is so worth it

utility is insane

[untold niche]

imo you only have it "once" even though the uptime can be 100%
And also, if ragers rush at you you still can't do anything

as in you need move out of bobble

[obtuse moth]

it still blocks things

even if you move out

[untold niche]

yeah but if its like

[obtuse moth]

if you're not getting use of your bubble even when you move out of it you need to place your bubble better or position better

[midnight cove]

its not just good for blocking stuff though, the toughness regen is pretty intense, can prevent some chip damage for the squad

what do I do with this

[vestal fulcrum]

Kind of/sort of depends on how you feel about it

Unstable is OK, I wouldn’t touch it. Executor is good on preference, but can be changed to Slaughterer or Uncanny Strike

[midnight cove]

I don't generally use the melee much so I've been running with a pretty suboptimal one for a while

[vestal fulcrum]

I wouldn’t particularly care about the Specialist perk, unless it hits something important. Infested is fine for speeding up Poxwalker clear, although it may not be optimal

[midnight cove]

not sure what to do with this either lol

[chrome patrol]

eh its awsome

[midnight cove]

I like this one for just ressing

[glossy ember]

switch block efficiency to something else? hard to say.

[chrome patrol]

im playing a super defensive illisi

[midnight cove]

idm block efficiency tbh unless it doesnt work with kd

[chrome patrol]

i have 86% blockcost reduction i can get people in auric inside a horde up

[midnight cove]

yeah its pretty sick

throw down bubble and slide in

[chrome patrol]

yep

i like the semi supportive illisi

maybe give one a try

[midnight cove]

I don't even really use it for horde clear, I just pull it out and melee a couple times to charge true aim

and try to kite with voidstrike as soon as I have room

[chrome patrol]

its fine for unarmored hordes

otherwise i use shield and assail

for harder stuff surge

[midnight cove]

would've been neat if I had maniac dmg or smth to kill muties quicker

could use deimos instead maybe but I don't like the moveset

[vestal fulcrum]

86? Are you also considering the block cost reduction from Deflector?

IIRC that value only works on ranged attacks

[chrome patrol]

oh ok i diddnt knewv that

[plucky flax]

I get so many melee kills with my illisi with just slaughterer t4 and flak maniac.

Even more than zealot sometimes.

[obtuse moth]

the infested is a waste on the earlier one imo, and fwiw the block efficiency from deflector only applies to ranged attacks afaik

if you're ressing with illisi its best to up your power from blessings/modifiers and do a push before you res

power effects your stagger/cleave and the range adds get pushed (preferably with non depleted stamina) so it can make a huge difference

[obtuse moth]

used my illisi with unstable/slaughterer today and forgot what an insane difference it makes to creeping flames damage

been a long time since i moved to deimos and then ds4

[midnight cove]

I do swing a little here and there

but only if I absolutely have to

[chrome patrol]

oh im not saying illisi is bad i also get tons of kills with it but i also utilize it as a defensive weapon

[midnight cove]

I'm more in that boat too

[chrome patrol]

it slices thru trash like nothing

[midnight cove]

think I need to throw slaughterer on either of my weapons

dont get much value out of unstable generally

the way I play

[chrome patrol]

then slaughterer is prob better yea

[plucky flax]

Yep I always get in melee after casting shriek for that reason. 40% extra power burn is super strong against chaffs.

[midnight cove]

I'm bubblepilled

no shriek for me

[half iron]

shriek cooler

[quasi junco]

shriek is still goated with purg staff

[half iron]

your character says a quirky line as they push a group

[quasi junco]

for ranged I take a deimos with deflector

[cold geode]

Unstable + slaughter + scriers gaze is crazy powerful with DD

[midnight cove]

can imagine

[cold geode]

I use an autogun with that setup and assails

Is good

[jovial zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/kittens-meowing-kitty-kittie-adorable-gif-16963582

[formal plinth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/974471062093967400/1182657049620906014/image.png?ex=65857e35&is=65730935&hm=68282e76cab53561de31516ac81c66a5b7c409876a56bd21d0191144ba0f4cc4&

I used up all of my luck for this

anything I should change?

[obtuse walrus]

Ranged damage to flak

But idk what's best on surge

[glossy ember]

the perks

get flak then elite/unyielding/carapace/crit rate/maniac

[formal plinth]

idk im assuming nexus and flury is standard on staff

[formal plinth]

thank u

[plucky flax]

Flak maniac my beloved.

[glossy ember]

oh yeah i forgot maniac

[formal plinth]

I've been strictly a purgatus staff user so we will see how this goes

[fluid knot]

Its better than Purgatus for most builds tbh

[summer prairie]

you can crit one-shot dreg ragers with maniac with some warp charges

[formal plinth]

I've been hearing that purgatus is not that great 😦

[summer prairie]

and perfect timing of course

[zenith zealot]

nope, not really

[summer prairie]

but other than that maniac isn't useful

[olive ember]

all the staffs are useable to good

worst is surge

then purge

[formal plinth]

I think I'm gonna have to find a new build, I've been trying out BB with psionics so I can take care of elites

[olive ember]

and meta is trauma and voidstrike

but tbh you can run any of them and do well

[zenith zealot]

it's just based on what u run, u get limited

and the more limiting ones are surge and purg

but that can be rearranged with blitz and melees

[formal plinth]

is gunner pskyer really the play then?

[zenith zealot]

doesnt change the fact that u cant deal with more things at once tho

[olive ember]

if you want meta then blaze trauma or voidstrike psyker

gun psyker is imo a niche gameplay style for boss damage and fun

[zenith zealot]

these two are the current play, i prefer voidstrike personally

voidstrike gives u the ability to clear shxt from much further

[formal plinth]

voidstrike is the AoE charging one?

[zenith zealot]

both are aoe

[formal plinth]

I always found it hard to get used to aiming it

[olive ember]

Voidstrike is the bowling ball, Trauma is the ground AOE

[formal plinth]

Ah, i'm thinking of the ground AOE

[zenith zealot]

that is true, but u dont need to aim when they rush at u

[olive ember]

Voidstrike does more single target damage and longer range and better peril gen

[zenith zealot]

and gunners usually stand still

[olive ember]

Trauma gives more CC and more horde clear

[formal plinth]

I might have some okay base stats of those to upgrade, but playing the blessing lottery again... why cant it be shared between the staffs

[olive ember]

Also imo better against mixed hordes

[zenith zealot]

horde clear is debatable when it comes to voidstrike v trauma, but trauma has way better crowd control

[formal plinth]

I'm more of a support pskyer

[olive ember]

Eh in most instances Trauma will win

[formal plinth]

dome and crowd control

[olive ember]

Unless the enemies are all showing up in a line

Tbh tho any staff besides surge does it’s job well

Purge is infinite cleave flamethrower that will melt anything that’s squishier than a rager

[formal plinth]

good to know I'm gravitating to the two bottom tier weapons

[olive ember]

Problem is that it relies on dots and has a short range of 16m

Surge is

Well I dislike it but depending on who you listen to it’s the best staff (false)

It’s got the best single target TTK I guess, in a vacuum

For example it can kill a crusher in 3 charges, and surge staff specifically has a very fast charge of like 1.5 seconds

[formal plinth]

but to be able to actually do that in a game is slim?

[olive ember]

The main problem is that it’s damage isn’t actually that outstanding (3 charges for a single crusher is easily 60%+ peril, and it still takes like 4.5 seconds) and it only hits up to two targets, of which only the first target is significantly damaged

[formal plinth]

wait it only hits 2? damn

[olive ember]

So when the game does something like oops 20 ragers or oops 10 crushers

Surge starts to kinda hurt

[formal plinth]

I'm having second thoughts about running this then

[olive ember]

You can compensate by using stuff like perilous combustion

And people make it work

Like they’ll post their scoreboards of them scoring 900k damage with surge

[formal plinth]

I'm just tryin to be useful and pull my weight here

[zenith zealot]

smite psyker

[olive ember]

The idea behind surge staff is that you can reliably 2 shot most things (again I don’t even think that’s impressive), so for 90% of enemies you just kill two elites/specials and then you let perilous combustion kill everything else

But

That’s just perilous combustion being good

I could achieve the same result with a dueling sword lmao

Faster too with less peril

[formal plinth]

yeah dueling sword is what I use anyway

I'm gonna have to look into trauma and voidstrike, getting the blessings is pain

[plucky flax]

You don't need to aim with surge.

[olive ember]

You don’t need to aim with most staves ngl

Besides ig voidstrike on the head

[plucky flax]

You do with trauma.

[olive ember]

[plucky flax]

It's hard to play trauma man.

[olive ember]

It’s not that hard

Put the fucking circle underneath the target

Anyways if you use dueling sword honestly I’d suggest either Trauma or purge

[zenith zealot]

blazing spirit illisi with wildfire

[plucky flax]

I'm not good like you.

[olive ember]

Just compliment it with horde clear

[zenith zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/you-know-thats-not-true-marcie-marcie-diggs-diggstown-306-gif-24092479

[formal plinth]

purg is what I've exclusively been using but figured its time to try something else

but also do feel like my damage is not that great, just being a support bot

[olive ember]

Trauma and voidstrike require fairly decent rolls iirc

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/generous-god-imagine-egyptian-god-gif-15205765

Don't play purg if you're trying for most damage dealt.

[stray lion]

Does this look good? I locked my blessings by mistake :C

[formal plinth]

nah not trying to go for that, just trying to look useful so it just feels like i'm helping out besides the dome and the random horde ambushes

[olive ember]

Uh… that blessing combo is kinda

[stray lion]

Bad? Damn

[olive ember]

It ain’t good

[olive ember]

Depends on what you mean by helpful

Trauma provides the best CC and more general horde clear, tho I’d pair it with shriek not dome

Voidstrike has better single target damage and longer range

[zenith zealot]

u shouldnt have paired both blessings tgt

[olive ember]

And works decently with some

[zenith zealot]

what were the perks even

seeing as u switched both perks, were they both god awful?

[formal plinth]

contribute to the elite spam and also have the potential to clutch

one can dream

[zenith zealot]

gun psyker

[stray lion]

The blessings came with the staff, I just changed the perks but did not realise I could only change 1 perk and 1 blessing. So I am now stuck with this and can't go back :C

[olive ember]

Uhh both can do that tbh

Probably Trauma is better clutch

Cuz more CC means you can get shit off you if you are surrounded

[zenith zealot]

damn, should've read the instruction manual

[olive ember]

Tho both kinda work, like if needed you can also just spam voidstrike at your feet and it’ll stagger stuff too

[zenith zealot]

well, maelstrom nurgle's blessing however

still hate that modifier

[olive ember]

Eh maelstrom with burgle is like super high lvl

[stray lion]

Are combat knifes any good with the Psyker? Cause I got one here sitting in the shop looking finna nice

[olive ember]

To the point where the zealots have different builds for burgle

[formal plinth]

burgle?

[olive ember]

Blessing of nurgle

It’s a maelstrom only modifier that buffs random enemies

[formal plinth]

ah

[olive ember]

And the buffed enemies basically get better stats including stagger resist

[formal plinth]

I haven't reached maelstrom yet

not even auric really

[zenith zealot]

knife's always good

[olive ember]

Since you use dome id recommend voidstrike

[zenith zealot]

not the best on psyker, but still decent nonetheless

[olive ember]

Tho tbh if you want super clutch potential probably shriek Trauma is better

[zenith zealot]

movement speed is always good too

[formal plinth]

thank

[olive ember]

Dome is more of a defensive tool

[formal plinth]

I'll try both the variations

[stray lion]

Does this look good?

[zenith zealot]

the better u can kite and avoid getting cornered, the more clutch potential u have

[formal plinth]

well I'm just trying to combat the gunner spam thats been happening

[zenith zealot]

first target isnt too important, but u'll be gambling the next perk and blessing, the current perk and blessings are kinda ass

unarmored isnt the worst, so if u're forced to keep it its not the end of the world

haymaker's gotta leave for sure tho

[stray lion]

well, to the Casino I go

[olive ember]

If you do try out Trauma I recommend fire Trauma

[stray lion]

I've tried the MkIV duelling sword and did not like it very much aside from the dashing

[olive ember]

#psyker-class message

^^ I still run same thing only change is I swapped out damage aura for CDR aura

[obtuse moth]

all the shouting

[zenith zealot]

u have uncanny strike on it?

uncanny + carapace dmg perk?

it'll do wonders vs crushers or maulers

[formal plinth]

oh interesting thank you

dont find the normal BB charge too bad?

[stray lion]

No, I have 15% dmg maniacs and 10% critical dmg with 2 unchanged blessings (rampage and shred)

[olive ember]

Pmuch yeah, cuz 5% elite damage isn’t rly that useful all things considered but more shouts is more fire more quelling more CC

[zenith zealot]

well that's why its terrible

[stray lion]

oh

[zenith zealot]

perk's arent too bad, crits fine since u got shred

but rampage is a no no

[olive ember]

Rampage is fine but you need to push attack to proc it

[viscid matrix]

get Uncanny Strike, BIS blessing for DS

[zenith zealot]

well u're basically demoting it to more horde clear

[olive ember]

It’s fine mostly cuz it’s bugged and does extra damage Idr exactly how it does so

[zenith zealot]

anyway u want uncanny on it for sure

[stray lion]

Ok, so keep shred and put uncanny strike

[stray lion]

I'll try it out

[olive ember]

Eh depends if you keep rampage up with push attacks in between you can get some really wacky damage on your heavies

[zenith zealot]

not false, but i prefer consistency

[olive ember]

True

[zenith zealot]

and im not gonna try to heavy crushers during a horde

[formal plinth]

I hear mixed things on uncanny

[zenith zealot]

sometimes the pesky chaffs will tank the hits

[olive ember]

I mean I do that

[formal plinth]

I'm never gonna know whats good

[olive ember]

From where?

[formal plinth]

literally from here I swear

[zenith zealot]

depends

[olive ember]

Uncanny is BiS on pretty much anything that can run it

[stray lion]

I also have this... but again...not sure what to do with it:

[formal plinth]

that it aint that good if your team is strong and takes care of crushes and maulers

[olive ember]

Knives, ds4, uh

[zenith zealot]

unless the fat bois are frontlining, i dont really use it

[viscid matrix]

#psyker-class message
check out the Atheneum

[olive ember]

It’s um

[zenith zealot]

bless it to its final form to see if u can get a good t4 blessing from it to earn

[olive ember]

I’d say a good resource but not the be all end all

[formal plinth]

oh my someone actually made one for pskyer, thank

[olive ember]

He’s got a couple wacky things in the psyk

[zenith zealot]

u're not taking it cuz u can be the one to deal with crushers

[olive ember]

Like taking toughness regen

[zenith zealot]

u take uncanny so u can deal with crushers when your teammates cant

[olive ember]

Which to this day is still wacky for me

[zenith zealot]

its to help urself not the team

[formal plinth]

I got a bit of a dilemma with my DS

[olive ember]

Also stuff like surge staff using flak + unarmoured, cuz apparently unarmoured helps to hit one shotgunner breakpoint

[viscid matrix]

of course, its a basic guide tho

[zenith zealot]

sometimes teammates have doodoo gear, or not paying attention

[olive ember]

Weakspot is trash swap that out, precog is meh esp at tier 1 swap that out. You are basically hoping for a decent 2nd blessing

[formal plinth]

I can change the blessings to Shred 4 Uncanny 3 but my perks are 3% crit and 20% flak

[olive ember]

I mean it’ll work for now

Ds4 is a single target weapon

[viscid matrix]

not too bad, work with it until you get a bis one

[zenith zealot]

crit is fine if u pair with shred

[olive ember]

Most noticeably good against ogryns and mutants

And maulers

[zenith zealot]

flak is alright

[olive ember]

And ragers

[formal plinth]

its uhh

[stray lion]

I got riposte xD

[olive ember]

Uhhh

[formal plinth]

the stats kinda went crazy

[zenith zealot]

well riposte is still decent, its basically like precog

[olive ember]

I think swap precog for uncanny, and weakspot for Idr the breakpoints but maniac or carapace or maybe unyielding?

[formal plinth]

so I got a bit played

[zenith zealot]

u can keep rampage, switch the 3% melee crit chance for something else maybe

like carapace

[olive ember]

Tbh the only blessing that really matters is uncanny

[zenith zealot]

yep

[olive ember]

I have some uncanny riposte thing as well and it works fine for me

[zenith zealot]

all other factors arent too important

[formal plinth]

honestly the heavy kills most things anyway

[zenith zealot]

i dont really rely on the crits to happen

[formal plinth]

so rampage isnt too wasted

extra damage during hordes

[zenith zealot]

rmber to push atk

cuz u dont have a wide cleave to proc rampage easily

[olive ember]

The thing with duelling sword is that it’s the best single target melee psyker has rn

[zenith zealot]

push atk will proc it better

[formal plinth]

oh true

[olive ember]

So it’s good against mauler and rager spam to an extent especially combined with perilous combustion

[zenith zealot]

personally, fk ragers, i rather not be in melee

[formal plinth]

thats like one of the things I still cant get good at

fighting the rager spam

[olive ember]

Eh ragers with dueling sword isn’t too bad since you outrange them with backwards dodge

[zenith zealot]

the horde is annoying

single rager, not much issue, usually its the horde

whilst horde crushers and maulers, at least they slow

[olive ember]

You can also use the ds4 special and that will actually stagger a rager if the special hits the head

[olive ember]

Ah I end up using shriek or ranged at that point

[formal plinth]

its really nice as a follow up to heavy

[olive ember]

Shriek and while they are staggered just stab a couple and perilous will kill the rest

[zenith zealot]

personally, if u're trying to kill anything that's not a rando zombie, or stuff u oneshot with the heavy like gunners or shotgunners, u should always heavy into special immediately

[olive ember]

And if they don’t then Trauma will stagger em

[zenith zealot]

its like using new shovel special

[formal plinth]

a lot of useful info learnt today

[zenith zealot]

double headshot, double uncanny proc, +stun

i see no reason not to

if u have shred, then that's an added bonus, double shred proc

[olive ember]

Kinda depends, cuz if you are fighting crusher horde and there’s multiple of em about to take a swing it’s prob better to just dodge and gtfo

Tho tbh these are all hypotheticals

[zenith zealot]

u can still dodge while using it

[olive ember]

In reality I Trauma spam first and then melee what’s on the ground

[zenith zealot]

it doesnt lock u into any animation, its just a habit to get into

[formal plinth]

simply just kill them before they get into melee range

[zenith zealot]

kinda tough to do that vs crushers

especially a horde of crushers

i also recently found out that u cant pierce crushers with voidstrike

[olive ember]

But yeah idk how useful dome is but I also recommend just playing with fire shriek

[zenith zealot]

which was a huge bummer

[olive ember]

12 cleave yeah

[zenith zealot]

i thought u can penetrate everything except bulwark shields

and terrain

[olive ember]

Nope

[zenith zealot]

found that out the hard way during a mostly scab melee maelstrom

[olive ember]

Well it ignored bulwark shields but it won’t park through the ogryn

Oh yeah melee scab your best bet is blaze Trauma

And i guess surge

[zenith zealot]

it doesnt ignore bulwark shield?

[zenith zealot]

too slow

3 shotting a crusher? i might as well be running void so i can try to 3 shot them from further away

[olive ember]

Well it ignores bulwark shields in the sense that you can fire at the shield and it’ll still delete the bulwark holding it

[zenith zealot]

i mean, it doesnt penetrate, and that's the issue i have

the dmg is secondary

[olive ember]

Oh well yeah

12 cleave

[zenith zealot]

[olive ember]

One thing that’s carried over from pre rework voidstrike is that cleave is a major weakness

12 cleave vs 6 from pre rework is a nice buff (it means you can hit more than 2 gunners at a time lmao) but it still doesn’t compare to infinite cleave of trauma or even purge staff

[zenith zealot]

man

i gotta find blazing spirit fast

[olive ember]

If for trauma you can try the non fire option

Which is just flurry and rending shock

Better support cuz on paper more CC and armor strip

[zenith zealot]

ye i got that easy

but i need fire

im a bit of a trauma enjoyer before the rework and shxt, but i got tired of the mediocre dmg on heavy boys

[olive ember]

Oh yeah, tho Trauma mostly feels the same tbh

It got a few damage buffs which makes killing trash easier now but with the health increases it still takes a decent while to kill ogryns n stuff

Especially now that Trauma innately only does 80% damage to carapace as opposed to the base 100%

[zenith zealot]

ye ik

i was just playing it too much and got tired

it was never bad

[olive ember]

👍

Anyways I gotta go sleep

Cya

[zenith zealot]

night

[west galleon]

alright so disrupt destiny seems super volatile and not useful in actual gameplay

how are you supposed to reliably do damage with that stuff

[obtuse moth]

take the 30s trait, move faster, have higher density hordes, find a way to stagger to keep your stacks

tagging it with any attack will refresh stack duration, that includes venting shriek, assail, smite, hitting it with a bullet, staggering with purge/trauma. also you will get full credit 75% through a brain rupture

any sort of stagger

killing with headshots also helps a lot

[severe laurel]

Is Empowered Psionics better than Warp Siphon for Surge staff / Lightning?

[gloomy magnet]

siblings, i gradually enjoy playing as gunker now. Besides DS4+Columnus5, any other recommended loadout?

[fluid knot]

Gunpsyker

Not ideal for staves

[vestal fulcrum]

It sort of depends on what you want to achieve. I wouldn’t take EP if I were playing Surge/Smite, though

Smite doesn’t benefit a lot from EP, whereas Siphon’s use benefits both your staff and blitz

[severe laurel]

Ah true, thanks

Tbh just got a nice Surge staff and thought I'd try it out

[celest wedge]

Ive been running a lot of Auric Maelstrom with surge staff and its been working out really well.

[fading depot]

No

Smite/surge/shriek/siphon

It's king

It's team reliant but you will probably out damage/kill everyone anyways ironically

Your only actual weakness is bosses if you play it right

[severe laurel]

Hmm, its alright, but its no voidstrike..

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s a staff that wants you to play aggressively, and doesn’t care as much about aiming as VS does

[urban sandal]

yeah but

trauma

[severe laurel]

I'd love to love Trauma, but the aiming I find really difficult

Nothing more disheartening than just catching people with the edge of a blast

[vestal fulcrum]

Trauma is just a control freak playstyle

[urban sandal]

I play on controller and still love it lol, it's just stairs and elevation that causes problems

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s fun, but sometimes I don’t like things going too easy

And Surge has some degree of control, but it’s mostly there to allow you to conveniently remove key threats

[severe laurel]

I've got Carapace dmg on my surge staff, whats a good secondary perk?

[severe folio]

acquiring the knife is much harder than acquiring the chainsword

[unreal dust]

I really, really want to like the Kantrael Laspistol. But... I feel like the higher rate of fire (and thus more empathic evasion procs) is better with the Accatran. Anybody else have the same experience with Gun-ker?

[tardy stump]

it feels like i am not doing enough dmg with purgatus, anything i need to know while using it? this is the tree i am using it with

have warp flurry and warp nexus blessings on the staff, idk whats good for perks tho

[severe folio]

seem like the correct build

nothing out of ordinary, on blessing too

perk maniac and flak is usual

purgatus is a soulblaze staff that apply a tons of soulblaze and burn enemies down

[tardy stump]

only have 1 perk i can change as its semi-bricked staff, out of mats for now

[severe folio]

not immediate damage

[tardy stump]

maniac or flak first?

[severe folio]

well i would say flak then

[unreal dust]

Generally Flak

[tardy stump]

as for melee, i see a lot of people using duelling 4 because of single target dmg and mutie killing potential

i am running knife rn because i like repositioning

and played a lot of zealot

which it feels more comfortable for me at least

[tardy stump]

also should i change the blitz modifier for empathic evasion?

i feel like i die too fast if i am somehow left alone against even the basic mobs with guns

[severe folio]

you still know how to dodge do you

[tardy stump]

i do ofc i meant in some occasions

if i get stun locked

guess that wont help with those as you need to crit for it to trigger anyways

[chrome patrol]

what is the dump stat for surge? quell speed? resistance?

[vestal fulcrum]

None, because all are somewhat useful

[unreal dust]

For Purgatus, you should absolutely run Empathic Evasion

[vestal fulcrum]

But I’d probably want Crits to be the lowest

[chrome patrol]

mhh

[true vault]

should I change Unyielding for Caparace ?

[vestal fulcrum]

The rest either influence your uptime or output - Crits just sometimes give you the ability to put out more damage, but that’s about it

[unreal dust]

I generally dump Resistance. Just because I'm going to run Peril Resist on warp charges and I like to ride high peril

[obtuse moth]

carapace or flak is fine

[chrome patrol]

ic will prob try grays out

to see which i want as a dump

[unreal dust]

The surge staff has a fairly high crit modifier on it too. So I don't recommend dumping crit

[chrome patrol]

i woulndt dump crit

[obtuse moth]

quell speed prolly

[chrome patrol]

maybe quell speed

since i run 30% quell speed

[obtuse moth]

crit modifier also affects crit rate (and its a crit weapon)

[vestal fulcrum]

You can. UY is not that great a property on Trauma

[obtuse moth]

its fun against the nurgle tho that takes 2x explosion damage

[unreal dust]

Incorrect. You fail to factor in MAXIMUM GIBBING on crits

[vast yew]

Warp Resist is usually the dump stat; Quell speed scales nonlinearly so you really really really want it to be high

(in respect to WR vs. QS)

[vestal fulcrum]

I suppose what I’m trying to convey is: crits have diminishing returns after you pass a certain rate, and you will likely be using Nexus regardless. The way to look at it is to consider that crits sometimes allow you to kill certain threats quicker

But that doesn’t matter for a lot of things you will be targeting

[vast yew]

Surge gets enough crit chance that losing out on a few points of Crit from stats isn't a deathknell

[vestal fulcrum]

Precisely

[vast yew]

Imma be honest; if you have a Surge staff that's 370+ and doesn't have terrible damage, it'll work

It's very hard to brick stats-wise

I think the ideal one would have a 60 in Warp Resist with 80 everywhere else but it's a very easy staff to build

also helps that it only has like... 5? Blessings total, so you've got a 70% chance to get either Warp Flurry or Warp Nexus when upgrading

actually you can't roll Focused Channeling because it's Tier2 only, so make that an 83% chance to roll at least one

[stray lion]

Why do I keep getting high modifier scores on weapons a Psyker does not use :C

[quasi junco]

save them for when they pool all weapons between characters

[vestal fulcrum]

https://tenor.com/view/jack-tanamen-gecky-incorporeal-gif-21102682

[stray lion]

https://tenor.com/view/movie-one-eternity-later-gif-7900643

[vestal fulcrum]

(It might, its just funny to think about it)

[urban sandal]

I always thought this game needed a universal storage or some shit so my inventory isn't full of 200 greens/greys waiting to gamble

[stray lion]

I'll wait for someone to mod that into the game xd

[vast yew]

I don't think mods can change that stuff without it being considered an actual cheat

[stray lion]

I can always use the Axe... right? hahaha

[urban sandal]

definitely cheating

[eager mantle]

I'm a fan of hatchet psyker but BM or nothing

[vast yew]

And yeah you can use an Axe if you want, it's not like they're bad weapons
Psyker has better options, but that doesn't mean the others are unusable trash or something

[stray lion]

I'm alreadyfarming Damnation with unoptimized gear so... I think the axe might just be better than the trash sword I am using.

Which blessings should I casino for?

[eager mantle]

Been more accepting of other weapons as I play more. Used to just pass over combat axes and devil claws because "basic axe/sword". Like them more now. Still haven't found appreciation for tac axes though

[vestal fulcrum]

BM is top tier. Any power blessing (HT, Decimator) to accompany it is extra.

[eager mantle]

BM or nothin. It's actual pain using it without

[stray lion]

ay ay thanks. Now I just need to find an axe with that blessing and sacrifice it hahaha

[shrewd holly]

warp battery is pure suffering

[eager mantle]

It works if you have a lvl 1

[stray lion]

Is this a pure horde clearing weapon or can I use it for armored targets? I kinda need one weapon for that at the moment

[eager mantle]

The important part is just ignoring enemy mass on kill

[vast yew]

Tac Axes are like Dueling Swords, but with less cleave more armor pen on the lights
I only like the Mk2, the others are... special

[eager mantle]

It'll kill horde and I think can be like 4-5 heavy hits on crushers with some stagger

[urban sandal]

gets easier the higher you go in difficulty, especially on HI(STG) and with the node that lets teammates contribute to building stacks, I got it naturally during a t5 hitsg archivum sycorax because the early/mid sections have a lot of stuff going on. also it has to be 6 stacks

[eager mantle]

Yea I got it naturally just running normally

[vast yew]

Scab Melee Maelstrom is a cheat code for Warp Battery

[stray lion]

So, can I go standard Flak/Maniak or can I put on Carapace ?

[shrewd holly]

ik. I've been doing Max dif shocktroop gauntlets

[vast yew]

I think you're gonna want to replace both blessings, no? Or were you going to keep Thrust?

[stray lion]

I was thinking of keeping Decapitator. It sounds good for hordes

[eager mantle]

Never tried with decapitator. If he got a BM on it, how would that go? You can get plenty of one shots with BM alone

[stray lion]

I was thinking about stacking decapitator on hordes and then go for the tanky dudes

[vast yew]

hmmm alright that seems like a decent idea; in that case you'd swap the crit chance to something, probably Maniacs?

[vestal fulcrum]

Decapitator as is is just a worse power blessing

[eager mantle]

But idk how much thrust can help with heavies on things like crushers and maulers

[urban sandal]

try maelstroms with specialist waves and pick your maps carefully since a lot have more downtime than you want, like the torrent maps

[vast yew]

it is, but his choices are either 4% Crit + Decimator, or 25% Maniacs + Decapitator

not sure which is better

[vestal fulcrum]

If the “one shot” wasn’t a requirement, it would be relatively on par with HT and Decimator in some horde situations

[stray lion]

Doesn't the axe oneshot? How is that a bad requirement? Genuine question

[eager mantle]

But with BM you get so many 1 shots in the horde?

[vestal fulcrum]

Eek. I’d grab BM in place of Thrust and replace Crit with something else, I suppose.

[vestal fulcrum]

No uptime on bruisers and elites

[eager mantle]

I guess it does become a non factor if you don't kill some horde when a crusher/mauler walk in

[vast yew]

I'd swap Thrust to BM first and test it out; if you notice you're not getting Decapitator to proc consistently swap it, otherwise swap the Crit

[vestal fulcrum]

Against hordes it’s fine

[stray lion]

Aigh thanks for the help

[vestal fulcrum]

Also, it’s on kill, not hit

Hits are easier to do than kills

Let alone “one shot kills” - this is a steep requirement

Anything damages the mob you wanted to decapitate - that’s no longer a one-hit kill

[opal gyro]

Is assail still viable in damnation?

[eager mantle]

Yes

[vast yew]

yes

it's just not the delete-button that it is lower down

[opal gyro]

Fair enough

[eager mantle]

You won't be "maining" like in lower difficulties but it's still good

[vast yew]

pairs well with Purg or Surge staves imo

or Gunker

[stray lion]

Is BM level one enough?

[vast yew]

You'll want 4 eventually, of course, but the meat and potatoes of BM is the "Ignore mass" bit

and the weak spot damage is a pretty low modifier

so yeah level 1 is enough

[opal gyro]

imo if you’re going to use the combat axes use the rashad mk2. It’s more focused on single target damage, but with brutal momentum that basically just translates to more damage

If you have brutal momentum on a different combat axe though it can still go over

[vast yew]

Mk5 has the stab special attack which is nice

[stray lion]

Well, I don't have a Rashad Mk2. I have a 380 Antax. I only started playing this game 4 days ago hahah

[opal gyro]

Fair enough

[vast yew]

though I think it does come out slightly behind the Mk2 it still works

[opal gyro]

Yeah. It’s not bad by any means

I like the uppercut on the mk2, it’s good for staggering ragers even though they have like twice the range I do and always hit me before the attack gets them

[stray lion]

I wish damnation rewarded more money (._ .)

[vast yew]

Wish granted: Auric

[opal gyro]

A lot of the money comes from modifiers, especially auric stuff. But that’s tricky

[urban sandal]

even regular maelstroms pay out a bit

[stray lion]

No optimised for that hahaha I'm only able to do damnation because Smite is very nice

[opal gyro]

Fair enough, I’m sure you’ll get there eventually :p

[urban sandal]

malice and heresy maelstroms sometimes pay more than regular damnation

[vast yew]

Yeah Aurics Damnation is a bit of a doozy but it rewards like 40k ordos each

[stray lion]

I started with Assail but I feel like it falls off quite hard at this difficulty. Might just be me tho.

[vast yew]

Assail goes from god-mode in difficulties 1-4 to balanced in 5

[opal gyro]

I felt the same but it’s still usable, it just doesn’t instantly kill everything it touches lmao

[vast yew]

Definitely drops off, though you can still use it; you just have to use it in tandem with the rest of your kit rather than using it like a 3rd weapon

Hence why I recommend it with Purgatus or Surge; for Purg it gives you a bit of range/special sniping, while with Surge it helps clear hordes that you may otherwise struggle with.

It's also the normal pick for Gun Psyker to let you do all your regular Gunker stuff without eating all the ammo

[stray lion]

Yeah true xD I just get insta swarmed by hordes since the charges don't regenerate fast enough and I don't have good weapons to deal with crushers, bulwarks, mawlers etc...

[eager mantle]

Becomes a supplement to your kit instead of being able to "main" it. I play gunker with it. Throw out all my shards. Have peril built so I can shoot or melee with bonus damage. Let's you throw shards in a horde and go back/forth with melee

[vast yew]

yeah Assail is more for firing off a handful then switching weapons

[urban sandal]

crushers, bulwarks and maulers you say?

trauma

[vast yew]

Right-click Assail can also deal with Specialists or Bulwarks (hold right click on them, aim up, fire)

[stray lion]

Ooh, I'm quite interested in a gun psyker build. Which guns do you use? I got myself a pretty sweek 379 MkVIIa lasgun.

[eager mantle]

The pain of trying to roll a good blaze trauma...or even just getting blaze on it

[stray lion]

Tho I would like to use it with brain burst

[eager mantle]

Don't use that

[urban sandal]

gave up on that a while ago, just stuck with rending shockwave

might try again some time

[opal gyro]

I refuse to use a gun psyker build just cause I use enough guns on everyone else

[vast yew]

so the good news is that once they get around to buffing the Recon Lasguns you'll have a good weapon to use

[eager mantle]

Right now laspistols and columnus autogun. Graia if you value the stability and range more.

[stray lion]

Always look on the bright side 🥲

[vast yew]

As a Recon Lasgun enjoyer I cry every time I try one out in the Psykanium

[eager mantle]

Haven't tried the newer laspistol yet on my gunker

[vast yew]

But yeah Laspistols, Columnus Autogun, and Revolver are all viable options

some of the Headhunters works too if you're feeling spicy, I think

[stray lion]

Getting good rolls on everything I won't be using

[fading depot]

https://youtu.be/Ek-jnUl6Pxk?si=8x9Y4hpm4GBQqYCH

[vast yew]

Shredder used to be meta but I think that build got nerfed?

[eager mantle]

I have several 520+ recons on my veteran. It can do "respectable" dmg where you can make it work...and then the columnus or graia triple it's dps

[vast yew]

yeeeaaaaahhhhhh

[fading depot]

This guy's builds seem pretty good if you'relooking for psygun. I've tried a few but not this one.

[tardy stump]

@severe folio when the team is fairly new, it works better i guess as the dot has more time to kick in because they arent killing as much/fast as someone who plays well

guess i felt like purgatus dmg was low because other team was killing things faster then i could

[vast yew]

If your team is on board with keeping you safe the Purgatus can output some damage

[tardy stump]

honestly, i was keeping them safe in this one as i had to keep repositioning with knife and lmb spam against rager spawns

it was the new map

which has the rager rotation points

while doing the scan or towards the end

[vast yew]

yeah there be a lot of Ragers

[fading depot]

Idk what you mean honestly

The PURGATUS is what keeps me safe

[tardy stump]

^ true that

[vast yew]

watching flanks

instead of being bozos who keep firing into the on-fire horde

[fading depot]

What I like about Psyker in general is making the rest of your team struggle to contribute meaningful damage output the entire game

[tardy stump]

shriek one side and blast other side

[vast yew]

I was using a Blaze Trauma to lock down the chokepoint in the Carnival Finale

one guy got so bored he ran out and up the stairs so he could kill something

was regular damnation, not auric, so not so many Elites

but it's kinda crazy just how much power a properly built Psyker can output

[fading depot]

I do that with smite/shriek and I see the same thing

My buddy sits behind me to kill specialists and the two randoms just sorta

[tardy stump]

how much soulblaze stacks can purge inflict?

i mean as the cap

[vast yew]

15 or 16 with 76+ Burn

okay yeah 15

you need 76 or higher on the Burn stat to hit that number

[languid osprey]

ok siblings hear me out

what do you think is better

[tardy stump]

can you go over that with like creeping flames?

[eager mantle]

Uncanny wins

[vast yew]

Yes; the hard cap for all DoT's is 31. Creeping Flames and Perilous Combustion can take you over the 15 stacks, but it'll be difficult to get much higher because things are dead by then

[tardy stump]

isnt mobility under 51 rough

[fading depot]

This one. Replace Flak with Carapace though imo

Yeah but Uncanny is a definite want

[languid osprey]

hm smart

[vast yew]

Uncanny is SS tier

I'd go Maniacs though just to one-tap Mutants with enough Warp Charges

[tardy stump]

guess on bosses then, do i have to use shriek after reaching max stacks with purge or does the stacks from shriek count as their own

[vast yew]

But Carapace also a good choice if you really want to kill Crushers

[fading depot]

I always go carapace because my needles can handle anything that isn't crushers/maulers

[vast yew]

shriek after max stacks from Purg

[fading depot]

Maulers are Cara right?

[languid osprey]

i normally tumble to death crushers

[vast yew]

only on the Helmet

But if you have Uncanny you're killing Maulers in like 2-3 hits anyways

[languid osprey]

maulers is cara on body right?

[vast yew]

Maulers are Flak on body

[languid osprey]

that

yeah

[fading depot]

Should be headshotting with the dueling sword anyways

[languid osprey]

k ill try maniacs

[tardy stump]

and lets say i got to 21 with max 15 purge + 6 shriek, does applying more refresh all 21 duration or just that 15, also how do you even reach 31

[vast yew]

you don't

[tardy stump]

[tardy stump]

what about duration refresh?

[vast yew]

uh I think more will reset the whole duration but honestly I don't really know

[fading depot]

There aren't a lot of things where you really need to apply that much burn

Chances are they will just be dead

[tardy stump]

i mentioned boss

while asking

hence why

[fading depot]

Oh fair

[vast yew]

the damage from stacks is a sigmoid curve so the first few stacks don't do much, then the next 10 are super impactful, then they fall back off again

[fading depot]

Yeah honestly if you aren't running gunker or brain burst your boss damage is gonna be ass

[vast yew]

Dueling Sword/Deimos do OK boss damage

but yeah Psykers don't do Monsters too well

[fading depot]

I just go for the weakspot with the dueling sword

[tardy stump]

ye duelling weakspot spam is decent

[fading depot]

And poke as much as I can

[tardy stump]

after applying all stacks

[tardy stump]

also i do have brain burst

i swap to it after getting max purge stacks + shriek

with fast brain bursts also

[fading depot]

Ah yea then you don't gotta worry much about the burn

[vast yew]

oh man if you can find the point to spare (KD? BB upgrade?), taking Empathic Evasion is super fun on Purgatus

it's just constantly up

[tardy stump]

ye i considered but

its rare occasions

when i am left alone in open

against gunners etc

so i just discarded it

[fading depot]

What is emphatic evasion ?

[tardy stump]

1 secs auto dodge on crit

[vast yew]

Dodge ranged attacks for 1 second on crit

[tardy stump]

against ranged i believe

[fading depot]

O nice

[tardy stump]

as you perma crit with purge in hordes you basically ignore any ranged attack

but meh

[fading depot]

I'm noticing my purge or assail seems to be critting a lot yeah

[tardy stump]

i am fine without it so its w/e

[vast yew]

you usually take it because you went Crit Aura and the other option is terrible, but for Purgatus staff it also does funny things because you crit so fast

[rich rose]

I run this on my assail build and it rocks

[vast yew]

I think it's also kinda fun on Surge staff but Surge can get talent point hungry, especially if you go Assail

[fading depot]

Honestly with assail/duelsword in your build Surge is redundant

I've got the EP for elite kills with assail so when I see bunches of shotgunners, gunners, or elites I send them to hell. Purgatus for pox hordes

[eager mantle]

I run surge/smite since surge will handle most things until I need to lock down the crusher/mauler parties

[fading depot]

Yeah my smite build is surge smite siphon shriek

Honestly I switch between three builds somewhat regularly

I played so much smite that I'm kinda tired of it though

[eager mantle]

I wish those those "suppress enemies on close kills" was "suppress enemies around target on kill". I want all the rifleman to be shitting themselves across the hall when their buddy blows up into bloody mist

[fading depot]

Hahaha

I haven't had gore stuff on for like a year for performance, I turned it all back on recently

Didn't know dudes would just psychic explode from surge

[eager mantle]

Surge became so much more satisfying when they added the gibbing to it

[hot zephyr]

I have a few noob-level questions about Assail: The shards are just guided right? Not guaranteed weakspot/crits right?

[echo frigate]

Guarnteed crits if you ads with them (but then you can only throw 4) and it usually hits weakspots

[hot zephyr]

Trying to tune an Assail/Shriek/EP build to my playstyle and am trying to optimize my passive bonuses for quelling

[obtuse moth]

its guided and always goes for the head. if you take true aim every 5 weakspot hits is a guaranteed crit. empowered psionics empowered assails can hit 6 heads per shard. if you combo that and actually hit target cap, every single empowered assail can be a crit

[vast yew]

My Surge/Assail build runs Illisi for the horde-clear aspect, though part of the beauty of Psyker is that there's a lot of viable options

[obtuse moth]

surge is definitely not redundant lol

[hot zephyr]

I'm basically looking at if quietude/battle-meditation or mettle/perfect-timing should be used. I think I should 100% be taking soulstealer, and I'm really iffy about Perilous combustion because it doesn't seem to do that much that I notice

[obtuse moth]

its hitscan, ranged and has a powerful cc component

[queen fog]

It also has standard issue ball for its primary fire

[vast yew]

what difficulty are you playing? PC scales upwards super hard with difficulty

[queen fog]

Meaning it can be good against picking off long ranged specialists

[obtuse moth]

a hitscan stun that does damage and also chains around terrain can be invaluable in histgs, especially in low visibility

[queen fog]

A stun that has almost 19 meters worth of range? Yea I love surge

[fading depot]

You dont need it with assail/duelsword

You have your bases covered for elites

[queen fog]

Why not double cover

Get some layers in there

[vast yew]

double cover is usually worse than versatility

[fading depot]

Because you can take Purg to better cover your Horde clear

[obtuse moth]

it doesn't cc and instant stop specials

especially ones that you can't really see

[fading depot]

Dodge

[queen fog]

Surge not insta stopping specials?

[obtuse moth]

...

[queen fog]

Idk bout u but mine does that

[hot zephyr]

Right now mostly playing Damn, but looking at moving up once my skill level feels better. I'd like to get "up" into regular maelstrom and auric level once I feel comfortable

[obtuse moth]

the point is to stop them from throwing bombs or fire

[fading depot]

No he means Purg

[obtuse moth]

or to stop someone from getting poxbursted/cc'd

[queen fog]

Oh makes sense thanks for clarification lion

[obtuse moth]

dodging doesn't do that at all

[queen fog]

[fading depot]

That's what shriek is good for imo

[stray lion]

Why does nobody use the Obscurus FS?

[obtuse moth]

shriek is in no way up often enough in an auric histg to fulfill that purpose

[vast yew]

aight then you should PC doing some stuff, but it gets better on Auric/Maelstroms certainly. Mettle/Perfect Timing are near ubiquitious on most Psyker builds because we crit all the time; what's the rest of yoru build look like?

[shrewd holly]

Should I use the 10% soulblace or the 4% any kill from allies perk for warp battery?

[vast yew]

eclipsed by Illisi/Deimos; it's not a bad weapon there's just... no reason to use it anymore