psyker-class

[crude oxide]

does anyone have a list of which psyker headgear affect their voice?

[night pasture]

is it better to run empowered psyonics or warp siphone with a smite build

[viscid matrix]

depends if you want to kill enemies with smite or not

[night pasture]

i am running venting with flames

[viscid matrix]

if you want to use smite as a killing tool, you go EP
if you just want the CC from it, then WS is the better option

[viscid matrix]

flames is the only upgrade to vent worth taking, the flat damage version is near useless

[plucky flax]

It appears so. With the demonic voice at least.

[celest cave]

I vote (and after personal tests) for empowered psyonics cuz siphon is anti-synergy. If you run siphon you dont wanna spam your ability a lot but Smite dictates to

[zenith zealot]

it not goofy, it looks cool

u dont need a staff, u are the staff

[obtuse moth]

flames works much better with warp siphon imo, more shouts but ymmv

also doesn't depend on charges as much as EP does and can self-bootstrap better

[languid osprey]

embrace the goofy and become a old space wizzard

[crude oxide]

which mask is this?

[zenith zealot]

giulius

currently frontpage of psyker store in hallowette

[crude oxide]

ty

[zenith zealot]

u have like, trauma/voidstrike wings

u're a staff

https://tenor.com/view/your-a-wizard-harry-gif-3829442

[plucky flax]

@idle bay you will have some translation to do in my video up soon.

[idle bay]

Ok

[plucky flax]

2 guys started flaming each others I think.

[idle bay]

It describes a Salamader's Chapter daily rituals 🙂 But there are literal flaming....

[zenith zealot]

can i get a sneak peak at what they said

what are the more colorful words used?

pm if u're afraid of ban

[idle bay]

Video is still not on. I was talking aabout expression about 2 guys flaming each other 🙂

[near wyvern]

"I trust you are pleased, varlet"

Well I'm fucking not, OK?!

Hardon WHY

[zenith zealot]

eh, ok

[idle bay]

Gloryh..... revolver.

Crafted by Hardron's wooden peg leg

[near wyvern]

there goes that 380 with perfect stat distribution

stays on the shelf until remove the locks

[zenith zealot]

replace terri with cruian and replace sprint effi with one of your fav dmg stats

then play a "gotta go fast build"

[near wyvern]

missing hand cannon then

[zenith zealot]

where u run around hunting down your targets marked by defy destiny

[near wyvern]

I guess I'll just shelf it for now

[zenith zealot]

its a light revolver, u dont really rely on this for crusher killing

[near wyvern]

that's tru

[zenith zealot]

guarantee crit on zarona revolver much better if u wanna deal with crusher

if u wanna have fun, might as well go all the way

[near wyvern]

I guess so, just gotta craft another one for testing break points before messing with this one

[zenith zealot]

zarona for practicality, agripa for fun

[near wyvern]

like why couldn't it roll things like this

I mean I can work with that

[hearty dagger]

I think the former use of Smite is a terrible idea. Might, might have changed since my testing but even with EP, Smite does miniscule amounts of damage.

[summer prairie]

smite does plenty of damage, just doesn't kill on its own

[vestal fulcrum]

Reload speed doesn’t do anything, or at least it’s listed so?

[hearty dagger]

In my experimentation, Smite is so terrible when it comes to killing that i'll yell at my team when i kill an elite solely with smite because they suffer from Ogryn Brain Syndrome and just ignore the 5 stunned ragers in order to land a Kickback on a singular poxwalker

[coarse bane]

Smite is a CC tool, nothing more.

[plucky flax]

It's the revolver apocalypse.

[coarse bane]

Smite + venting shriek and wildfire, well you can get the ball rolling pretty good on that.

[plucky flax]

Mfw all 3 human classes use revolver.

[forest iris]

What are good Blessing combos for the Illisi? Are Bloodthirsty+Blazing Spirit any good or just overkill? I tried to get Shred+Blazing Spirit+Manic+Flak, but no luck, after spending A LOT of ressources. What are good combinations I might have overlooked?

[hearty dagger]

I'd say Smite is a reactive team support blitz, where at your discretion, if losing 1/4th of your team's clear speed/damage is worth stunning a group, you slap it on, or you do it to hold down specialists like Bombers so they don't get to run away.

[summer prairie]

when there's density smite can easily do 2+k dps, but it's inefficient dps

[coarse bane]

The power based of quell level is good, deflector, um, couple other good ones.

[vestal fulcrum]

Uncanny + Slaughterer/Executor

Unstable Power is also decent, and so is Deflector if you want a defensive blessing

[hearty dagger]

Personally i'd say Uncanny is a must pick since the rending lets you spam lights on mauler heads and kill them relatively quickly, the second perk is up to you but i think Executor/Bloodthirsty/Deflector are the top picks

The mauler is just for reference by the way i do not endorse using uncanny lights on mauler heads to kill them. I wholeheartedly endorse uncanny heavies though.

[forest iris]

Im playing on Maelstrom if that matters

Sounds good... I mainly struggle when I get overwhlemed by Maulers and Crushers

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s not like the pool of good blessings changes drastically from difficulty to difficulty

[hearty dagger]

If you get overwhelmed by maulers and crushers i would like to point out the push attack on all FSs have long range and can knock crushers and maulers on their ass.

[vestal fulcrum]

You shouldn’t be using Illisi against heavy elites though, unless it’s your last resort

Certainly not multiple. One or two is fine.

[forest iris]

Good to know. I mainly used Dueling Sword so far.

[hearty dagger]

Honestly i do like dueling sword but Force Swords feel way more versatile

[forest iris]

So what to use against 10 Crushers and 10 Maulers chasing me?

[vestal fulcrum]

Don’t allow that to happen in the first place

Deimos FS can dunk on elites with its L1H2 combo

[dapper river]

The self explosion

[vestal fulcrum]

With Illisi you don’t really have other option but to kite, stack Uncanny and hit them on their heads with heavies/special heavy attacks

[forest iris]

Mh so which FS would be a better pick for killing elites, like Crushers or Maulers, and lots of them?

[glossy ember]

knife

[forest iris]

I thought about that too... just for the mobilitly as well, so I can run away

[forest iris]

Ah okay Deimos

[vestal fulcrum]

Deimos would be the one, yes

[quartz barn]

Additionally use duelling sword to kite while using staff to kill

[glossy ember]

i use knife to back away and throw assail shards if it's a flak horde on my ass, or surge staff enemies

[vestal fulcrum]

I’ve been using it lately for poking things with its powerful L1 and H2 attacks

[forest iris]

Sounds good. I will try out the Deimos and the Knife and see how it goes.

Thanks a lot guys! 🙂

GTG now, have a good one!

[urban wadi]

Just rolled these back to back from greys...

I'm never this lucky on my Zealot

[plucky flax]

@idle bay I timestamped the confrontation https://youtu.be/H51iMwJ6f9A?t=543

[idle bay]

On it 🙂

Yup it's what you expected

"Stay behind and watch you fu..wit."
"F U"
"F U. Learn to play noob"
E.t.c.

[plucky flax]

XD

Did that help?

Did they flame me? 😮

[zenith zealot]

no way they flame the 900k+ dmg guy right?

right?

[plucky flax]

It's over 1 mil on the default scoreboard.

[zenith zealot]

zamn

[idle bay]

They flamed each other.

[plucky flax]

I dunno how they know there was russians on the team.

I wouldn't have guessed.

[idle bay]

WIth notion to have purple weapon on auric as well

[plucky flax]

Normal character names and such.

[idle bay]

He probably lost nerve on a moment when few players at one have gone down

[zenith zealot]

maybe one guy just flamed randomly and the other one was just coincidentally russian

[plucky flax]

I could only help 1 guy. I chose to retreat cos that was the safer option. Didn't want to be caught by enemies from 2 directions with no space to move.

Sorry veteran man.

[idle bay]

Flaming inferno at the start of the mission though.. with a salvation by standing on crate 🙂

[plucky flax]

Yeah the current bomber flame is a menace to us squishy psykers. And vet too.

Only zealot and ogryn can withstand them but only for a couple more seconds.

[spice veldt]

the ground fire also preventing toughness regen from VoC 🥲

[zenith zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/kys-keep-yourself-safe-low-tier-god-gif-24664025

[spice veldt]

and the groundfire also disabling the toughness refill from being revived

[zenith zealot]

yea

u cook em if u revive them while on fire

[spice veldt]

yum

[plucky flax]

Let him cook

[spice veldt]

i keep getting cocky in the fire thinking I can shrug it off with VoC

and then I get owned

[zenith zealot]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-let-him-cook-cook-cooking-breaking-bad-gif-27522167

[zenith zealot]

yes it doesnt take away toughness instantly, no u should not challenge it

in fact, u have more reason not to challenge it

mistakes will fk u up badly with new fire

old fire took toughness away instantly, but less punishing

[spice veldt]

as a toughness stacker, new fire is better but only for the first few milliseconds

after that, it very quickly becomes much more damaging than old fire

[zenith zealot]

it has high dmg per tick regardless

dont challenge it even with toughness stacking

[spice veldt]

I know

I'm not going to challenge it when I die in <1 second when in it

[zenith zealot]

only ogryns with shields, confident strike, and all the other toughness regen during a horde, can challenge it

[spice veldt]

at least, not intentionally

it's only that the "stopping all toughness regen" aspect of it not popping up in my mind in the moment

[plucky flax]

When fs say hotfix they meant next week

[spice veldt]

unfortunately, I do not have perfect recall or reactions to something that I first and newly encounter

[zenith zealot]

their hotfixes are patches

and their patches are hotfixes

didnt they call their voidstrike nerf a hotfix?

if i recall correctly

[plucky flax]

No it was from patch 13 to 14.

[zenith zealot]

ok

[plucky flax]

We're currently in 15? It was before part 2.

Dunno if part 2 make it 16 now or not.

[zenith zealot]

yea but anyway, stuff that are supposed to be hotfixed are only dealt with during a patch

basically its an update, not a hotfix

[plucky flax]

Hotfix should be way faster. Like next day fast.

[zenith zealot]

so regardless of what it is, its all in game features

[idle bay]

Lore-wise more deadly fire lately means - heretics got their hands on better distilled promethium and they will run out of it soon

And with labs hit recenty they had to reduce dosage of Frenzon injections to ragers making them weaker

[near wyvern]

it does it just doesn't show the range

[zenith zealot]

damn

u gave fatshark an excuse

if game developers were creative enough to give excuses like these, i'd fking look forward to bugs

[bleak tulip]

isnt it more fun to come up with these yourself

you can see bugs as an enemy, a great evil or something ruining your experience

or you can work around them, try shit you havent tried before and maybe learn something new

[idle bay]

Weapon nerfs - is just Hadron being Hadron and moking Rejects in her own manner

[plucky flax]

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/ptveXKbFCnTI5cSe65Zq78ZA8a8Cv3N5hypmPggGE80/https/media.tenor.com/zw3HWomJs3YAAAPo/darktide-adeptus-mechanicus.mp4

[zenith zealot]

i cant make a narative if idk the lore of the universe

plus, bugs are the mistakes of devs, not us

[plucky flax]

Get into 40k and fantasy lore. It's not that deep and difficult.

[zenith zealot]

why should we deal with it?

[zenith zealot]

ik some tidbits

like nurgle being a dawg

beast of nurgle i mean

[plucky flax]

Listen to some audiobooks.

[zenith zealot]

and AI being heresy

[idle bay]

it's just amassed over 20+ years and constatly re-worked and retconned 🙂

[zenith zealot]

big castle yeeted onto cadia

[umbral helm]

I just have my friend who's really into it answer my questions

I remember he perked up when we got the variant of the new mission with an Enginseer speaking to us

[idle bay]

i've got once a variant with Rannik overseeing how Marrow running missions

[umbral helm]

only to then question if we have those, why the vox channels are always getting hacked, because that "means somebody isn't doing what they're supposed to" in his words

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah I like when rannick is just watching via the screens and listening in behind morrow.

Badass morrow becomes quiet real fast.

[halcyon creek]

Hearing the enemy speak without using codes (even better, when they have no idea you’re listening) is like the Holy Grail of battlefield intelligence

[umbral helm]

also yeah, he mentioned that too. said it's a good example of the respect Rannick commands, though to be fair, you kinda have to, since smack talking someone like him is a good way to get executed

[halcyon creek]

It’s stuff like that that wins battles, if not whole theaters

[plucky flax]

Wait til grendyl pays a visit to the mission command centre.

Everyone be like yes sir right away sir.

[umbral helm]

there's a variant of the initial Carnival mission where you hold out in the amphitheatre with Mistress Brahms overlooking it with Hadron, and it's the one time you hear Hadron speaking to anyone with respect I think

[plucky flax]

Hadron wouldn't smack talk Rannick and Grendyl neither.

They're the 2 highest rank on the ship.

[queen fog]

There is another, 2nd part of carnival

Hadron chats with a diff tech priest

Even warns the squad to avert their ears in fear that the technobabble would blow up our feeble minds

[umbral helm]

ye, the enginseer. though that's less respect for someone above her rank and more acknowledgement of a colleague's ability, I think

[queen fog]

Idk bout u but considering she expects our brains to blow up cuz of the vocab he uses

That’s pretty high praise on hadrons department

[umbral helm]

either way, it's interesting hearing the characters that are usually shit-talking us or others actually reign it in a little because they're speaking to people above them

[halcyon creek]

These two-handler missions are great tbh

I wish some of the earlier missions got this treatment, in hindsight

[stuck finch]

No beloved I don't think I'm cringe at all

[glass forge]

i have disrupt destiny and i stand in testing area for 10 mins , howcome i dont see any enemies lit up with desrupt destiny pointing them out

[near wyvern]

You need creature spawner and disable invisibility

[glass forge]

thank you sir

[idle aurora]

Just saw a psyker zealot wanna be, rushed forward, got dogged, called everyone noobs. The only reason he wasn't kicked was his buddy stealth vet

I really don't understand how those fucks function irl,

[umbral helm]

people see the gunker setup and think they can run in and have the build carry them, but it does require a little brainpower

you could realistically apply this to most things. besides assail spam, I suppose

[idle aurora]

even assail requires at the very least to look at funny nubmer going up, and remembering to stop

[umbral helm]

well, true. using assail well does, the act of spamming it however does not

[idle aurora]

atleast it feels much more balanced now, and creates a nice loop of swapping all your 3 weapons

[gloomy magnet]

my clothes got bonner

[unreal wasp]

Dispensing the Emperor's Justice with the fanning revolver.

[idle plover]

The joy of smite on rager followed by fan the hammer

[unreal wasp]

Oneshotting anything with the random Brain Rupture on a fanned shot

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=By_T39ENlkg

[queen fog]

Kinetic flayer on gunpsyker?

[unreal wasp]

Honestly don't think I'll play anything except Illisi Gunpsyker with bubble shield unless we get something really cool on the staves

[umbral helm]

to quote myself one random game while using the new revolver
"you've yee'd your last haw, nurgler"

[idle plover]

I have not looked back once i gained smite

[unreal wasp]

Smite is cool and all but I need my free monstrosity DPS

Don't have my bleed slab shield on psyker so I like having Brain Rupture

[spice oar]

Kim is cannonically a psyker

[idle plover]

I love just chaining horde in place and letting ogryn go wild

Or locking maulers and crushers for others

[unreal wasp]

Meh, I prefer going wild myself with Illisi and getting the funny dialogue

[idle plover]

Then the ability to vent 50 peril and repeat

[severe folio]

using your illisi is better on monst than using your BB

[unreal wasp]

Hasn't felt that way

[idle plover]

I recently tried assail but it feel awkward

[cosmic lagoon]

so I keep hopping between illisi and MkIV DS because whenever I use one I wish I had either the horde cleave or the single target decimation on the other, is there anything in between the two of those?

[orchid nest]

can try the deimos out

[idle plover]

Deimos is very nice one

[unreal wasp]

Maybe it's because I'm using Warp Siphon, Bubble Shield and Kinetic Resonance but Brain Rupture does a lot of monstrosity damage very quickly

Don't know if you have your Illisi built differently but my BR does more damage per shot than Illisi

[cosmic lagoon]

yeah BR would definitely do more damage per cast than illisi

I'm running smite dome warp siphon with a revolver

[unreal wasp]

Basically same build but smite instead of BR

[orchid nest]

brain rupture is nice for "free" monstrosity damage but gunker can be really good against monstrosities without needing it. assail makes you ammo efficient enough that you don't mind dumping on a monstrosity. that is my preference

[unreal wasp]

I just don't like Assail

[orchid nest]

fair enough

[unreal wasp]

It feels too...

Ethereal? It feels like I'm not doing anything

[orchid nest]

it does have that problem, yeah, it could feel a bit more impactful

[terse shore]

What perks are prefered on surge staff?

i see unarmored flak but isnt flak maniac better?

is it just for the melee dregs?

[orchid nest]

unarmored and flak was perferred before they fixed surge this patch since the bug messed up shotgunner breakpoints and you needed both incase it randomly decided to hit an unarmored section

you don't really need it now

[unreal wasp]

Honestly the reason I like running into hordes with Illisi, can feel that

300HP psyker paladin gaming

[orchid nest]

maniac or carapace would be my preference over the unarmored now that they fixed the random target stuff. unyielding or crit isn't bad either

[orchid nest]

they did do a good job with the illisi special feeling very visceral

[umbral helm]

I've been doing more or less a melee psyker with the new yeehaw revolver as a backup "oh shit that needs to die right now" option

[orchid nest]

I haven't tried the new revolver in a mission yet, still using columnus atm

[unreal wasp]

Whole reason I'm using the new thick black pants instead of penance pants is to make my psyker look as thickly armored as possible

[umbral helm]

it's been interesting. ran a few aurics with it, and it works. it's fun, which I care about more than anything

[unreal wasp]

I didn't like the new revolver at first compared to the old one but it's been growing on me

Had to learn to aim with the crosshair

[terse shore]

have a pretty shit one atm anyway

[umbral helm]

if you ever get one of the celerity stims, try it with columnus on a plague ogryn, it's funny. scyer's gaze if it's up your alley

[orchid nest]

it's not bad at all. charge rate doesn't do a lot on the surge, and carapace isn't a wasted perk. I always prefer a damage perk over crit chance personally. outside of carapace being on it if you don't want it you would be hard pressed to even notice a real difference between this one and an absolute perfectly rolled one

[forest cosmos]

Hello Psykers. I came back after the new tree system, anyone god a cool build that doesnt require a ton of blessing ? I Havent played a lot.

[orchid nest]

i'll have to try that. I just set up an alternate raking fire columnus with unyielding on it too for monstrous specials compared to my normal fire frenzy one

[umbral helm]

it's funny mostly because its attack speed buff isn't just for melee, it affects guns too

you'd probably in theory get more mileage out of a combat stim, but making gun do more brrr is funny

[orchid nest]

purgatus and surge both are pretty easy to roll useable ones compared to everything else so builds that use them might be a good starting place for you

you can check out the atheneum in the pins, it's always a good starting point to work off of and then you will naturally develop your own preferences and changes to things

[forest cosmos]

Thanks !

[queen fog]

Ya a handful of the modifiers around soulblaze are pretty handy

[severe folio]

it does a lot per cast, but each cast is slow, BB can be safer against monst but safer doesnt always mean stronger

[queen fog]

I like the trama force atm but it can take a bit of leading to get down so I wouldn’t recommend it for new psykers

But by all means if u want to fuck around and find out

[orchid nest]

yeah same, trauma is among the best but it's hard to recommend it to newish players because it benefits so much from having a well rolled near max rating one and from a lot of practice

[terse shore]

went crit for perfect timing and i'm also running empathic evasion

but yeah not sure how big 5% crit really is

[ionic cairn]

What blessings are considered the best for trauma?

[umbral helm]

it all adds up. better than not having it, but it's your choice what's more important

[ionic cairn]

I’ve used a few times and it felt like a bit underwhelming but I’ve seen other pyskers go crazy with trauma staff

[orchid nest]

surge has up to 20% from the bar I think, then whatever you have from the tree and warp nexus. so it's likely often around 40%

[compact cargo]

https://youtu.be/Ty5E0CddqxI

[terse shore]

from the bar? i though it only affected crit damage?

[orchid nest]

it's not my preference as I feel on surge its crit rate is already high enough for the purpose of proccing talents but it's not like it's bad either, preference for sure

[terse shore]

and just had high base crit

[orchid nest]

maybe I am misremembering then but yeah the base crit chance should be 20%

or around there

[terse shore]

might do actually

[orchid nest]

oh, yeah. it's always said melee for some reason

but it does work

[umbral helm]

iirc, that "melee critical chance" is a typo and is supposed to affect ranged, as well. there was like, one gun they fixed that on

revolver, I think?

forget

[orchid nest]

yeah

if it still has the normal 5% base crit chance I guess that would make it more like 25% base for most higher critical bars

I am not sure about that though

[umbral helm]

tl;dr bigger bar = better crit

[terse shore]

well shit, i guess i need 3 good bars then

[orchid nest]

what is the crit % listed for the one you have?

when you inspect the weapon

[glossy ember]

21% for 80 stat

[orchid nest]

yeah I was meaning the normal base crit chance + the bar

but I honestly don't know what surges base crit chance is or if that is rolled into the bar already

I think yours is fine still though nephilim, the crit bar on yours is still probably like 18% I would guess

[hoary minnow]

Is it me, or are Psykers exceptionally fragile to ranged attacks?

Like I got shot three times and my Toughness popped.

And from a Dreg gunner too.

Like those regular gunmen.

Not a machinegunner.

[orchid nest]

they don't have a lot of toughness damage reduction normally yeah unless you really spec into it like getting one with the warp with scriers attached node

[obtuse moth]

you probably just have low toughness or lack of damage reduction

[glossy ember]

uhh i have 38% with the 5% node and 5% aura

[hoary minnow]

Ah, so that's what I want.

Toughness damage reduction.

[glossy ember]

at 20.6% crit stat (77)

[obtuse moth]

nah

[hoary minnow]

Yeah, I'll look into that. Thanks folks.

[obtuse moth]

the best thing is the immunity to ranged damage on crit and if you struggle theres also the bubble talent and deflector blessing on force swords

[hoary minnow]

I am going for a Head burster -> Warp venting build with a rapier.

[orchid nest]

I think this adds up, yeah. 20.6% on the bar, 10% more from the tree, and psykers 7.5% base crit chance. so the weapons crit chance is entirely in the bar then

[hoary minnow]

I can dish a lot of damage but I can't take any.

That being said, is it possible to give bullet deflection to rapiers like with Force Swords?

[near wyvern]

No

[hoary minnow]

Dang.

[near wyvern]

But you don't really need it once you learn the game

You have many ways of avoiding bullets

[obtuse moth]

what ranged weapon do you have?

[hoary minnow]

Maybe not, but there are times I am caught in the crossfire.

[glossy ember]

bullet cant hurt u if gunners dead

[hoary minnow]

Oh, that staff which shoots out flames.

[glossy ember]

[umbral helm]

no, but you can wiggle them with the block and go "weebawobbaweebawobbawoogle" and it's funny and distracts you from the pain

[hoary minnow]

That I use to thin hordes.

[obtuse moth]

rapiers are very fast dodgers

you can slide dodge into shooters with lmb flame attacks

[hoary minnow]

It's just that I had the misfortune three times lately of being caught by an Ogryn gunner.

Who kept stunning me.

[obtuse moth]

it goes a lot farther than you think

[hoary minnow]

After getting me in its crosshairs.

[obtuse moth]

you also have your shriek

[hoary minnow]

I was in an open-ish area, too.

And he was too far.

[obtuse moth]

for shriek or brain burst?

[hoary minnow]

I have brain burst.

That I use to hit distant targets.

[fresh reef]

I've found that this is actually bugged to happen even if you're not holding block

Quite funny

[orchid nest]

I would go straight into empathic evasion instead of trying to load up toughness damage resist based on your spec. purgatus and duelling sword both proc it a ton. especially purgatus, you basically won't get hit by ranged fire as long as you have enough stuff to burn with a decent rolled staff

[hoary minnow]

But usually when I can get around to cover.

[obtuse moth]

brain burst staggers enemies out of shooting you halfway through its cast

[fresh reef]

*75%

[hoary minnow]

Oh right, the venting is called shriek.

Yeah, I have that.

[fresh reef]

Can we make the BB stagger apply at 1% cast time please 🙏

[orchid nest]

it was close enough to that in the beta

[fresh reef]

I remember, and it was beautiful

[obtuse moth]

you can still get immunity to ranged damage on crit with a brain rupture venting shriek build

[orchid nest]

you can kinda spam right and left click to stagger them if that still works in this patch, although it has little real use outside of stacking true aim

[umbral helm]

the inevitable efficiency argument that's going to get brought up aside, an important thing to learn to do with BB is pre-charge it when possible, helps a lot if you know something is coming

[hoary minnow]

I have Kinetic Presence.

But I guess I'll switch.

So I can get Empathic Evasion.

Switch to Prescience.

[orchid nest]

empathic evasion in that build combined with practice at being mobile and sliding will solve all your gunner problems

[obtuse moth]

nah youd have to switch to seer's presence iirc

no way to get venting shriek with prescience

[orchid nest]

yeah what noth said, go cooldown aura

[obtuse moth]

faster cooldown with venting shriek is a lot more damage

[plucky flax]

[obtuse moth]

esp since soulblaze scales and a BiS staff will cap at 15-16 stacks

shrieking at max stacks @ 84% peril+ gives you ~50% more burn damage

[hoary minnow]

Cheers folks. I'll let you all know how the next build turns out with all that in mind.

[orchid nest]

I didn't realize for the longest time the plugin wasn't showing me the new weapons in chrome. I don't know how I didn't notice lmao. just slightly related but yeah

had to load it up in firefox

[plucky flax]

Yeah it doesn't show new weapons yet.

Hopefully the guy manage to do it on chrome.

[orchid nest]

it works in firefox but it just shows the full strings from the code

yeah hopefully today

like

[clever wedge]

😭

[plucky flax]

Upgraded it.

[orchid nest]

set up for a full offense one at least, although I know that isn't really your preference

[plucky flax]

Yeah no deflector

[umbral helm]

me popping scrier's into a horde with my illisi charging up a heavy
"if they're closer it's harder to MISS"

[plucky flax]

Me thinking I have deflector on my duelling sword (timestamped)
https://youtu.be/H51iMwJ6f9A?t=1005

Bruh why am I eating bullets where's my deflection

[orchid nest]

I think its finally time to finish this deimos

have to hit the second blessing

[quartz barn]

Gotta admit i also block when getting gunned down lmao

[plucky flax]

Yes it will help

[near wyvern]

it does help because it prevents the melee from staggering you while you are trying to dodge out

[plucky flax]

80% warp resist illisi is so good.

8% per special

[near wyvern]

with exorcist that becomes 3% if you follow it up with the horizontal light

[orchid nest]

well it's not uncanny but it could have been worse than slaughterer

[plucky flax]

I'm thinking uncanny and bloodthirsty and just specials spam.

[near wyvern]

might be juicy

invest in warp siphon for bonus points

[umbral helm]

I think my illisi I've had since they came out with them, never gotten a different one, and honestly at this point refuse to because I've had it for that long

[plucky flax]

Special spams into horde but I love my deflector slaughterer sword too much

[sudden trellis]

this guy is obviously trying to sneak a chaos artefact onboard seeing THAT warp resistance

[orchid nest]

[sudden trellis]

just looking at the pic is giving me gellar field failure

[orchid nest]

it's so good for deimos since you don't really need to use the special. really nice for creeping flames especially. I wish I had a better rolled near 0% warp resist one with uncanny

[obtuse moth]

that kill sound is so obnoxious, is it for streaming or something lol

[terse shore]

oh is it fixed now?

[gray jetty]

That kill sound is only for specials

[plucky flax]

Oh that's the special spawn notification sound. (Cheat mod)

[gray jetty]

ANd elites

[obtuse moth]

dont need warp resist imo with exorcist since the followup means you can immediately re-empower

[frigid zenith]

Lol, Assail Space Wizard equips pistol video. I love it.

[hexed geyser]

I didn't knew this was possible 🤣

[obtuse moth]

ah i just have the spawn feed with no sounds, didn't know it sounds like that. do you actually think new laspistol is too slow or is it one of those ironic titles

[orchid nest]

yeah it gives 42.5% peril per use at that roll. easy full stack creeping flames with qq cancel

[plucky flax]

It's a part of another mod. It's just to counter sniper as they don't have spawn sound.

As for the pistol I genuinely think it's worse than the old one. DPS is rather low. You save a bit more on ammo though.
https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/257

[plucky flax]

Okay bloodthirsty sucks for my playstyle. Slaughterer it is.

[umbral helm]

my buddy made a weakspot-focused Vet that seemed to like it, I wanted to like it, but most of my gunker setups are all about the go fast and the new las pistol is not go fast

[plucky flax]

On vet with volley fire it might be alright.

At best a slight downgrade to IA infantry lasgun but with faster swap.

IA does good damage while shooting very fast.

[umbral helm]

we play more based on feel than numbers ultimately, just didn't feel right for me, felt right to him

he certainly put in work with it. forget what ability he was running though

[plucky flax]

I did 1 giga laspistol special push against poxburster in that game though.

So it was all worth it.

[umbral helm]

I'd use that push more but I honestly just keep forgetting it has it

[vagrant frigate]

the people in zealot channel are like

soooooo toxic

[glacial socket]

hey Ive been trying to get better with trauma and was wondering what talents yall run with it

[plucky flax]

How come?

[fresh reef]

Depends on the blessings

[glacial socket]

Im running nexus and burning spirit

I do also have a rending stave as well

[near wyvern]

WHY ON EARTH DOES NOT THE HEAVY LASPISTO LHAVE RUN N GUN

the only gun that could actually use it

[obtuse moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj-V9yVPFs at the beginning. not me. tis @plucky flax

i wrote a short guide on how to play it here #psyker-class message

[glacial socket]

sweet thank you sibling!

[plucky flax]

Not me it's some guy who seems really bad.

[obtuse moth]

you want charge rate and radius at eighty, with ideally t4 crit chance, nexus and t3 blazing spirit (which is the highest it goes :<)

[plucky flax]

I once again ask for blazing spirits t4.

[obtuse moth]

they have it

on swords where its useless

[potent wren]

interesting

[glacial socket]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-40k-psyker-explode-perils-gif-10586129510772702813

[fresh reef]

I love the knife so much

Such a beautifully versatile weapon

[plucky flax]

New one?

It's so cool on zealot.

[umbral helm]

I've occasionally had my psyker do some sick knife tricks with it when I pressed X to inspect it, but I could never reliably replicate it

[fading depot]

Why would he put 1375k damage in the thumbnail and not 1.3 million

Bro doesnt know how to bait those clicks

[modern spruce]

Has anyone experience being unable to cast Telekine Shield? I use the double shield and I've experienced several moments where I am mashing F trying to cast it and nothing happens

[plucky flax]

It's fake anyway super trash gameplay.

[potent echo]

melee weapon backswing sometimes dont allow casting shield

its stupid

mainly duelling sword

[fading depot]

I think that's a rare bug with any ult cus I've had the same thing with shriek b4

[potent echo]

easy way is to swap and cast

but its annoying

[fading depot]

I'm gonna check this out later though. Most damage I've managed was 1.05 mil with my smite/surge/shriek

[modern spruce]

When I need to react to gunners or die, yeah it is annoying (i died)

[fading depot]

46 minute game 💀

[plucky flax]

[fading depot]

I'm going to miss you siblings. I'm 39 games away from 100% psyker penance. Sunday or Monday I'll be in veteran or ogryn channel with those hapless blunts 😔

[potent echo]

come back when psyker gets its own patch 😔

[hot zephyr]

I'm finally getting comfortable on Dam again in my purge build, but I'm having some issues with my gunker/assail/DD weakspot/crit build. Here's my current build, did I miss a key talent or something? I'm having issues where I feel like my damage is low even through I carry hard in a battery build. Not sure what I'm donig wrong or if I just screwed up my build:

[potent echo]

its just gaze

very low impact

[plucky flax]

Need to spam assail more.

[fading depot]

Honestly Psyker and Zealot are my top classes/favorites. When I get my 250 games on Ogryn and Vet I probably won't go back to them much

[plucky flax]

I'd take soulstealee with assail though.

[eager mantle]

That toughness node could also go to the soul blaze on elite/special kill

[plucky flax]

Toughness regen seems weak.

[potent echo]

melee vet is so cracked rn

its more fun than zealot

[fading depot]

How's that work?

[potent echo]

i bring a chainaxe and a brauto with shout and smoke grenades

move speed aura go brr

[fading depot]

My zealot is prime fun because I have the th build that lets me one shot bosses. It's a gimmick but it's so satisfying

Also you lost me at smoke grenades

[plucky flax]

Take souls teaser and combustion. Remove quietude and battle meditation or one of the toughness node.

[potent echo]

new chainaxe thrust you can oneshot crushers

[fading depot]

Hrmmm

[potent echo]

superiority talent is cracked

15% damage to all elites

[hot zephyr]

So my build is "fine" and I basically just need to learn to use assail better/more?

I'm happy if it a skill issue, that's something I can fix

[potent echo]

assail is mainly a "quickswap" thing

[plucky flax]

Biggest problem right now is you don't regen that much toughness when spamming assail.

[eager mantle]

Also is that the node that gives the DD target a chance to quell peril on kill? Get rid of it. It's a chance on a randomly marked enemy

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, this is a weave/QQ build for sure

[potent echo]

so basically you want your peril to be like close to 100% at all times

[plucky flax]

Taking souls teaser should improve your survivability.

[potent echo]

when you peril starts dropping then start chucking until you reach 100

[plucky flax]

My auto correct love's to tease some souls.

[prime herald]

So I just started my psyker yesterday after hundreds of hours of only zealot

Wow this guy fucks

[hot zephyr]

Yeah I took that but I'm unsure about it.

[versed hedge]

blood for god emperor，skull for the golden throne

[potent echo]

did you kill the twin

how

[fading depot]

Ayo wha

[eager mantle]

Yea as a gunker weave all your stuff around. Throw out assail to build peril, swap to gun with built peril. In a horde throw out assail, swap to melee, swap back to assail when charges come back. Back and forth, back and forth.

[versed hedge]

Use more methods such as stumbling to control him and prevent him from throwing smoke bombs in time

[potent echo]

interesting

[versed hedge]

Cooperate with weapons such as lightning hammers that can cause high damage in a short period of time

[umbral helm]

enough players manage to kill them before they can escape and fatshart releases an announcement about how they had this big boss fight planned but well... we already beat them

[hot zephyr]

Ok that's helping a lot actually. I was also thinking of picking up MIM (I know it's a "bad" talent) so I can keep my movespeed up, but I wasn't sure if I should be actively or passively quelling

[near wyvern]

if you are weaving with assail only passive

[hot zephyr]

So clearly with that damage rotation, it's mostly about passive quell and quell-on-kill

[versed hedge]

His health is 7.2W, his head is hard shell, his body is armor free, and he takes twice the melee damage

[potent echo]

you shouldnt need to quell on a gunker build

[versed hedge]

24000、30000、36000、48000、72000

[eager mantle]

You'll only really be manually quelling if you're in a situation where enemies are at range and you don't feel like shooting right now.

[hot zephyr]

Ok, that's likely my problem then. I've been actively quelling and using assail rather sparingly (my previous build didn't have the assail 'upgrades' and I would run out of shards frequently)

[potent echo]

also its kinda sad malefic momentum doesnt buff nonwarp attacks

[plucky flax]

I have a few videos with guns psyker. Basically spam assail a lot.

[potent echo]

you can do some RMB assails to build up peril using less shards

[hot zephyr]

LMB or RMB assail? Or which in which situation?

[plucky flax]

Save ammo and its good.

[hot zephyr]

Link good sir? I'd love to watch

[potent echo]

rmb mainly for sniping

[eager mantle]

You're pretty much just dumping assail whenever and using melee and gun while the charges come back

[eager mantle]

Lmb up close, rmb for distance or that sniper you can get a lock on

[potent echo]

rmb also one shots shooters

good for getting DD stacks

[plucky flax]

https://youtu.be/H51iMwJ6f9A?si=GrLdnf-3aDXwFes3
https://youtu.be/d538z8xbYyw?si=jaXu_QwLgkCUPxwL

Laspistol and revolver example. I have video on infantry autogun too but my playstyle remains the same. I use assail the most by far.

[eager mantle]

Yea if there's like a few gunners that I'm not stressed about killing immediately I'll just rmb them to death.

[hot zephyr]

Thanks, I'll take a look. Yeah I have several different guns I like to use so I'll probably end up with multiple gunker builds once I git gud

Gotta get my skills back after a long hiatus

[plucky flax]

Aaay just keep practicing. I use the same build for all guns. Just swap out the gun.

[potent echo]

new fire is scary

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah my toe got hit for 0.5s and I lose 100+ hp.

[potent echo]

jUst WalK ouT of It

[umbral helm]

I got caught between two bomber fire puddles one game and just kinda stood there looking around like "I guess this is my life now"

[potent echo]

i remember someone posting this a few days ago lmao

[plucky flax]

Need fireproof toecap.

[umbral helm]

if nothing else, the changes are also beneficial. they die just as quick running through the fire

[glossy ember]

"just never get hit bro!!!"

[hot zephyr]

Thanks for the assistance (everyone), it's nice to have such knowledgeable folks

[glossy ember]

your welcome i totally helped

[obtuse moth]

rmb is also great for locking onto bulwarks then throwing upwards over their shield

[hot zephyr]

ooooo sneaky. I love it

[umbral helm]

I play a soda can opening sfx in my head every time a bulwark gets its guard broken and opens up

[west stream]

@near wyvern say, following on idea of laspistol gunker with scryer, BR and EP, any talents that make sense? don't see a lot of synergy with combustion but you do have a good tool to down elites and specialists

also thoughts on perfect timing since we're high crit anyway?

[vocal iron]

whats the opinion on what to reroll on this if im not using it for soulblaze?

i have unstable 4

[plucky flax]

You are inheriting top 1% god psyker knowledge.

[near wyvern]

the new heavy laspistol is amazing against specials, even decent at mutants

BR + EP is mainly used to open up bulwarks

scrier's gaze loves duelling sword which just shreds anything that is close to you

[west stream]

Yeah mostly using duelling and old laspistol

may need to revisit new one when I have plasteel lol

[near wyvern]

@west stream something like this, you could also pick kinetic flayer but those extra toughness and toughness reduce nodes just makes your life easier especially when you go in hard with the duelling sword

[west stream]

Still, strategy seems about what I was expecting, mostly wondering what to do with leftover points other than toughness / empathic / true aim I guess

ah, pretty close, different aura,

[near wyvern]

the +5% crit chance is not as important as that +10% CDR because it gives you access to the toughness reduction talent based on peril which is huge

why oh why they don't have run 'n gun for laspistol

the new laspistol screams for it when using DD

the only gun where it would actually make sense to use it

I am gonna try this the next time I have time to game, new laspistol + DS4

the new laspistol scales like crazy with finesse

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, now that we have emphatic evasion we basically have free ghost

[near wyvern]

Yup, I would run Between the Eyes and then Run n gun if it had one but since it doesn't I use dumdum

On the new lasgun

[static needle]

Is the Vraks 7 semi auto gun any good for gunpsyker?

[ornate hamlet]

Actually

Doesn't the old laspistol have run n gun?

[near wyvern]

Nope

Same blessing pool

[ornate hamlet]

why is fatshark

I'm almost sure it did

[near wyvern]

That's what I thought too

[ornate hamlet]

I remember it being bugged with innate run n gun back in the olde dayes

[near wyvern]

Yeah it was nice

[near wyvern]

It's usable but there are better options

[ancient thicket]

Yo there is a revolved with Surgical 4 in melks but for my psyker. Do blessings carry over between classes i forgor

[near wyvern]

Yes

Get it

[open pike]

As long as they're the same weapon type yee

[ancient thicket]

Oh hell yeah

[open pike]

I always check my vet and zealot for shared weapons

[near wyvern]

Ogryns crying in the corner

[ancient thicket]

I mostly play ogryn lol

This makes my life so much easier. Time for a revolver vet I'm thinking

[near wyvern]

Surgical + hand cannon is silly

[ancient thicket]

Funny enough it also has hand cannon 3. 80% dmg and reload, 75% crit. This thing is nuts. Does it even work on psyker?

[harsh urchin]

yeah

[ancient thicket]

Huh I may just keep it then

[harsh urchin]

revolver is one of the best weapons in the game rn

everyone in aurics is basically using em

[ancient thicket]

Yeah I've been meaning to build one. I guess I'll try out revolver gunpsyker

[west stream]

The new or the old?

Been enjoying new in meatgrinder but havent had time to form opinion

[harsh urchin]

both of them are very good for different reasons

you make very fair trade offs

for each one

[ancient thicket]

This ones the Agripinaa mk16. Think thats the new one right?

er mk14 lol

[harsh urchin]

ye

agri has a bigger ammo pool, speedloader, ability to fan if needed

zarona has 20% more damage, much better breakpoints against stuff like gunners, and the bullet penetration is insanely useful

[obtuse moth]

did they fix the 5% cdr that comes with crit chance?

[ancient thicket]

Neat, thanks for the info dude. I'm definitely gonna try and make this work on psyker. But scrapping it for surgical 4 may be the better option for vet and zealot whenever I finish building them

[static needle]

which mod is it that removes instruction text for smite use and which key to press for ability showing in HUD?

oh wait i just found the option in interface, nvm

[static needle]

such as? (anything other than laspistol or colomnus V)?

[ornate hamlet]

Revolver

[spice oar]

have they buffed the complete ass and obsolete direct dmg talent for venting shriek yet?

[harsh urchin]

it's not as bad as you think it is tbh

there is value in getting direct damage upfront

even if it is less than 6 stacks of warpfire

[spice oar]

it is just outclassed by the warpfire in every way bro idk

[spice oar]

what value its 200 dmg

[harsh urchin]

240~ damage right away, or 390~ damage over 10 seconds

[royal granite]

i kind of wish charging voidstrike all the way felt a bit more rewarding

[static needle]

Good blessings? are there better combinations?

[harsh urchin]

I'll let you think a little bit about the tradeoff between instant and delayed damage

[short lodge]

isn't it affected by range falloff unlike the warpfire one

p bad iirc

[spice oar]

this aswell

you deal even less dmg to enemies not infront of you, while the warpfire you can send out at enemies from a good distance away and still get full dmg, with the benefit of dealing more than the piss poor performance of the direct shockwave

[short lodge]

warpfire one has more synergy too

kill 2 elites with PC and then shriek for 12 stacks basically instantly

[spice oar]

oh and the warpfire will actually kill a horde depending on your buffs, so you can just use it on one pack of enemies that are on top of a teammate, and then go back to your own

the direct damage one is ass, lets be here

[hot zephyr]

Brutal momentum and maniacs are great, the others can be replaced with better ones.

[static needle]

such as? headtaker?

[hot zephyr]

I use unyielding/maniacs and brutal/decimator

[brave fiber]

Headtaker is a great option too tho

[static needle]

what does decimator do?

[hot zephyr]

5% power boost stack

[spice oar]

i havnt seen a single build use it and its for good reason, the dmg is simply too poor, even with being instant. and the choice itself dosent give other advantages like the warpfire has with its synergy between weapons and talents

[harsh urchin]

yep that'll do it

if they fixed the range falloff

i think it'll be decently competitive

[lethal lagoon]

I'm fairly certain it kills them no matter what.

Flaming shriek.

[spice oar]

yup

[hot zephyr]

Here's my current rashad I'm using. It's my fav melee weapon currently>

Spam lights for horde chopping, heavys for big cara/unyield

[harsh urchin]

the reason that they can't buff it

is the same issue with assail

a lot of the flat numbers are not well balanced for difficulty

[untold niche]

i do well on normal 5, but barel survive on a5histg
what do

actually

i just upload one more vid

:v

sorry, very frustrating.

psyker hard to pilot in a5histg

[plucky flax]

Embrace zealot.

[untold niche]

zealot easier to pilot yeah

mr selfish, what perks for illisi

[hexed geyser]

What does channeling smite at the beginning does? More damage? I'm used to assail and bb and trying smite for the first time.

[plucky flax]

Maniac flak.

[untold niche]

which one more impt
can only choose one
up to me?

[untold niche]

make the thing spread faster

go to psk, then try smite left click on the group of zombies, vs right click

[plucky flax]

Yeah I suppose. Check if you can 1 shot hs dreg bruiser with 5 stacks slaughterer or not.

If you can then maniac.

If can't flak.

[untold niche]

dreg bruiser is the one with head armour? or head no armour

[plucky flax]

Shiny head dude.

Tin can helm.

[idle plover]

Are accatran lasrifles good in skriers gaze gun build

[untold niche]

1 hit hs with light correct?

[fresh reef]

So just checking this take, is Warp Charge just objectively better than the other keystones?

[untold widget]

Usually, yeah.

[untold niche]

i thought general consensus is that people take WS over DD because DD need to shoot the blue guys?

but WS expensive tho :v

[untold widget]

yeah

DD probably for gunker

[west stream]

Disrupt destiny is good for gunker

Or anything that actually benefits from the buffs

[untold widget]

staff psyker doesn't get much use out of DD though, unless you spend all your time in melee for some reaosn

[untold niche]

mr selfish plos come back :v

[west stream]

Warp charges are better for staff

[untold niche]

void can headshot tho :v
but void headshot reg very bad.

I use DD on void

[untold widget]

does void benefit from finesse damage?

[plucky flax]

Yes.

[untold niche]

k thank love u

[untold widget]

i know it can hit the blues and generate stacks, but does it even incrase staff damage at all?

[untold niche]

mr selfish this qn too. im assuming void takes active bonus from finese

io don'

i don't know if headshot increase damage = scale with finese

[plucky flax]

Depend on what? What's the context? Finesse from dd?

[untold niche]

ya

[plucky flax]

Yeah that applies to all your weapons.

[untold widget]

voidstrike getting more damage from the finesse buff from DD

specifically

[untold niche]

wait, my light on tin can man on 5 stacks, only half hp
heavy one shots yeah.

yours can one hit tin can man with light on 5 stacks?

[spice oar]

ive found that building for peril resist and using the void staff with it is and scriers is pretty good, surge is a good option too

[plucky flax]

I mean 2 hits.

2 hits headshot without flak. Can you kill it?

[short lodge]

Surge was a better option before the center mass change this patch

[spice oar]

bit of a hot take

[short lodge]

for DD, i mean

[spice oar]

still dont see why

[untold widget]

even with peril resist and transfer peril on the staff I can barely get 3 casts before scriers maxes out my peril

[short lodge]

warp charges feel much more consistent to me with it now that True Aim is a dead node

[spice oar]

in my experience i can get a comfy 5 before quelling for like 2 seconds

[untold niche]

ya. if i quell, about 5 shots

full charge

all

[untold widget]

And whats the benefit, the extra crit to proc surge?

[spice oar]

nah i mean i can get 5 before quelling

[spice oar]

yeah the crit works well with surge

[untold niche]

wat. Full charge?

[spice oar]

and its easy to aim

[spice oar]

idk probs

i charge irregularly tho

[untold niche]

thanks for hint, i couldnt.

[plucky flax]

Probably better to go flak if you can only have 1 perk.

[untold niche]

ya.
i plan to take deflector and then flak like u suggested. thanks alot for hint

deflector is tier 4 right

[untold widget]

could be

could be tier 1

depends on what you got

[untold niche]

thanks.
i thought it was like surge where its only t4

[marsh wharf]

hey which of the venting shriek upgrades is better soulfire or flat damage

[untold niche]

soulfire is genrallyt recommended

[bright mica]

Void funny with Warp Siphon stacking

[untold niche]

because uh

its a cone

[mighty cipher]

Soulfire is OBJECTIVELY better

[untold niche]

and 6 stacks kill all zombies

[mighty cipher]

All of them are a cone

[untold niche]

so in a5histg

[bright mica]

soulfire, 85% and you get max stacks. Flat damage is garbo.

[mighty cipher]

200 damage doesn’t even kill a poxwalker

[bright mica]

Flat damage doesn't kill anything while the soulfire upgrade is some of the best horde-clear in the game

They rlly need to buff it lol

[mighty cipher]

Not to mention that it’s still effected by damage falloff whereas creeping flames isn’t

If they made it a 600 damage omnidirectional blast like shout it’d be awesome

[untold niche]

just remember, soul fire max damage is at 83.33% peril, not 80%

[mighty cipher]

I just use it at 100%

[untold niche]

venting shriek; you deal 6 soulblaze stacks at 83.33% peril or higher
peril talents on the tree scale from 0% to 100% peril
it's only the blessings on weapons where you get stacks at 20/40/60/80% peril increments

from mr arco

[fresh reef]

Reminder that the flat damage has ranged falloff

Because somehow it wasn't terrible enough already

[bright mica]

bruh 😭

fatshark hates it sm

[fresh reef]

Hits for like ~50 damage at 29m

[bright mica]

it should rlly be reworked to do something different, maybe give the a smite-like stun

just never worth taking over soulflame

[willow hazel]

doesn't it also do less than 200 damage at point blank

[orchid nest]

it needs to just be some completely different utility option or something instead of doubling up on a damage option

[fresh reef]

Unless you really wanna do ~180 damage to the crusher in your face, I guess

Yknow, 180 of its 3000 hp pool

[lethal lagoon]

I don't get the 200 damage, even with no prior stacks soulflame does more.

With prior stacks, it does insanely more.

When you set off a chain reaction that wipes out the whole map 🫣

[fresh reef]

Five snipers holding a position? Build up peril behind a wall 25 meters away and watch them disappear, risk free

[late oriole]

same with zealot

[static needle]

Is assail worth running with voidstrike with surge + warp nexus blessings?

[hot zephyr]

Going to give the build from the pistol video a try instead of what I'm running. My purge build I'm having a ton of success with is fairly similar so hopefully this gives me a chance to learn to use assail better and improve my damage. I think I was depending too much on my gun and SG to provide the damage in my current build.

[near wyvern]

Assail and void shouldn't be used together. Too much overlap. Smite is voids best friend

[static needle]

i feel like it can help kill elites when void is too slow tho

[plucky flax]

I run assail with voidstrike.

[static needle]

cause void is best in corridors tho

or long engagements where they line up

[harsh urchin]

I do too lol

it's very hard to keep up DD stacks

with only void

[static needle]

hmmmm DD build could work tbh but dont you want the peril reduction and faster ability cooldown?

[plucky flax]

Just do what you like G.

[harsh urchin]

i can just vent lol

[static needle]

so bad idea to run shield with DD?

i mean then i can just spam it out and not have to worry about keeping warp charges

[harsh urchin]

not at all just run what you like lol

[plucky flax]

I use creeping flames and ep with my assail voidstrike personally.

[untold niche]

you running the 30 max stacks?

[static needle]

i think most people arent

[harsh urchin]

nope

i'm running duration

[untold niche]

i find it ok
but if there are two waves of e.g.
bullwark then pretty much impossible to not lose stack

or if you got e.g. rager horde + e.g. mauler
then one of the wave, your team clear fast, another wave, mark is some gunner hiding on the ceiling

they should at least refresh the duration if teammate killed your stack

[mighty cipher]

I am. It makes your melee comically devastating and voidstrike starts OHKO’ing almost everything.

Combine it with precog gaze and you start two shotting ragers with assail
Oh, and this was BEFORE they cut Rager health by 20%

Also, there’s a bug where the stacks from precog don’t apply until gaze ends with certain attacks. Meaning you get some extra time with a weaker form of the buff but you still get the massive 10S spike at the end.

Also I just thought of a way to make assail less spammy. Revert the recharge increase and make it so that it doesn’t recharge while you have it out.

[harsh urchin]

at this point i think any more assail nerfs would probably make it unuseable

at least in histg 5s

[mighty cipher]

Yeah, Unfortunately it still completely nukes low level balance

[orchid nest]

I think they did a pretty good job balancing it besides the scaling issue with lower difficulties. definitely would have gone to unusuable tier if they did a lot of the drastic changes people were overreacting with

[shadow onyx]

i've never used DD the description is pretty unappealing to me, does it proc often ?

[mighty cipher]

You’ll almost always have a mark to chase. And it’s one of the strongest, if not THE strongest generic damage buff in the game.

The only issue is that if you get super unlucky your mark can be OFB or otherwise unreachable.

Use duration while you’re getting used to it and if you think you can keep up, switch to perfected if you want to literally double the max strength of the buff.

[shadow onyx]

yeah thats the part i dont like, i mean put random on buff or put over complicated stuff is generaly a no-no to me

[orchid nest]

it's pretty good for information sake too. if often gives you a heads up on things you didn't spot, elites filtering in, things around corners

[shadow onyx]

i play crit Mk5 columbus + deimos tho

so dd should be the logical choice

but eh

i should give it a try

[mighty cipher]

You’re on gun psyker? Take it. Trust me. It’s a lot more simple then they make it sound. also it doesn’t work in the psykarnium so don’t worry about not seeing it in there

[shadow onyx]

yeah i dont like staves

[mighty cipher]

Heh, opposite of me then. I can’t stand guns on psyker.

[orchid nest]

putting too much thought into it drives people to dislike DD for sure, but it's fine if you don't stress about it and just take it as it is. you'll still have a lot of stacks during any time you really need them. the only thing you really need to worry about is trying to headshot the blue guys when it's convenient

[harsh urchin]

i can't really stand gunpsykers in my games tbh

95% don't have any semblance of ammo management

[shadow onyx]

if only warp siphon doesnt reset after a F

😢

[harsh urchin]

and they vacuum all the ammo and shoot the poxwalkers with it

[untold niche]

isn't gun psyker pretty much zealot melee abilities + veteran gun damage but in exchange for being even more paper

[harsh urchin]

yep

[mighty cipher]

Warp syphon not reseting would break the balance like the fucking R8 in CSGO on release.

[shadow onyx]

who cares ? i never snipe ammo , vet is priority n1

[orchid nest]

i'm the complete opposite, I use assail so much that if there is a survival vet or hell even a bot lol I probably only need to pick up ammo if a monstrosity comes

[mighty cipher]

Then you’re in the 5% mate. He’s not talking to you.

[ebon pawn]

why he look so confused xD

[shadow onyx]

i dont manage my ammos

but deimos carry itself

pretty strong wep

i miss deflector old version tho, i would definitely play only melee psyker with the pre nerf vrsion

[mighty cipher]

What did the old deflector do?

Even more BE?

[shadow onyx]

deflector used to stop bullets while reviving mates, huge clutch potential

they nerfed it

[orchid nest]

I assume he means blocking while reviving and the peril decay not getting set back

[mighty cipher]

Oh that

[shadow onyx]

the peril was busted, not the bless on rez imo

[mighty cipher]

Yeah no that needs to stay in the past I’ve never seen it and I know that shit would be broken

[mighty cipher]

It makes getting a rez literally free. I can stand in front of a gunner for multiple seconds with no extra stam or KD. More then long enough for a rez.

[shadow onyx]

• no unlimited dodge, sometimes i get stomped because old behavior with spam dodge like dumb monkey

now i play it more with momentum on heavies

[orchid nest]

if I recall right it didn't just let you block the ranged stuff while picking them up but also made it do it 360 degrees

[mighty cipher]

That’s just how the block works when reviving

[orchid nest]

Yeah, well to be fair that is how block normally works too. it just takes a lot of stamina normally

[shadow onyx]

doesnt shock me , now zealots can be near invincible for 6 sec every 5 sec but its ok

[orchid nest]

except for deflector that is

[shadow onyx]

yeah, the non stamina on block is a huge part of why i love psyker

[mighty cipher]

What?

[shadow onyx]

stealth + CDR on crit

its basicaly clutch rez psyker but bumped *1000

[orchid nest]

there is the icon build with the CDR on crit too for team immunity. also pretty damn quick coming back up lol

[near wyvern]

Well it was fucking free res all the time, it had to go

[mighty cipher]

Oh, invisible. That’s a very important typo when talking about zealot

[shadow onyx]

they could only reduce block cost reduction on ranged or in general + remove peril diminishing while absorbing bullet

and it would be ok

[harsh urchin]

not really lol

that would nerf the actually blocking of ranged bullets

[mighty cipher]

But the difference there is that you need an INSANE enemy density and a specific build handmade for the job. Meanwhile….

[orchid nest]

I believe that is how it already works for the BCR, right?

[harsh urchin]

which would enable rezzing but make the rest of deflector worse

[shadow onyx]

this was the real deal, the fact you peril still lowering faster than your absorbtion

[mighty cipher]

That’s is an option.

[harsh urchin]

the direction they decided to go with was to let blocking bullets stay good

[orchid nest]

yeah true true

[harsh urchin]

but remove the rezz interaction

which is much better designwise than what you proposed

[static needle]

Do you get DD stacks if your teammate kills an enemy youre smiting?

[mighty cipher]

No*

I’ve heard you get stacks on interaction with your mark but I’m almost certain that it’s on YOU killing it exclusively

[near wyvern]

@strong gulch https://youtu.be/wNoJPFX64jk

[mighty cipher]

Get yo self advertising outta here, wait

Nevermind, Carry on.

[static needle]

You the law 'round these parts? 🤠

[mighty cipher]

Nah, just a little annoying when people are talking.

[orchid nest]

fatshark is going on vacation and he is taking over for the holidays

[mighty cipher]

And usually servers have a specific channel for it. This one doesn’t.

[shadow onyx]

i like your fast dodge> slide straffing

i rarely see ppl doing it

[viscid matrix]

Looked to me that they were replying to someone

[vast yew]

nice drip sibling

[blazing echo]

my thanks o7

[plucky flax]

Bruh they need to do something fast against these bombers. Vets and psykers just instant melt.

[vast yew]

jUsT dOdGe

[native plover]

So the new stub revolver, for think damage vs flak or carapace is better? Hadron also gave it + maniac damage

[brave fiber]

just parry/block/dodge tbh

[plucky flax]

Tru why didn't I think of that.

https://tenor.com/view/no-duh-why-didnt-i-think-of-that-donald-kimball-gif-14910705

[brave fiber]

Flak is useful for so much in this game, but if you really don’t like crushers go for carapace ig

[harsh urchin]

I would probably run it maniac + crit with HC + crucian

old revolver I would probably run flak/maniac with HC + surgical

[brave fiber]

idk if running crit perk on new revolver is worth, even tho it’s higher fire rate it’s still only a couple shots

Methinks flak is still the play

[vast yew]

Handcannon is a hell of a blessing

[harsh urchin]

it is because you dont hit any BPs with flak anymore

[shadow onyx]

bling bling i love it

[harsh urchin]

and also because handcannon is still overpowered yep

[mighty cipher]

They’re hotfixing the damage soon

[shadow onyx]

soon tm

[vast yew]

Honestly I think you could skip Crucian and go Trickshot if you're super confident

but Crucian is probably smarter

[brave fiber]

helps you deal with maulers without having to take carapace, is my main thought

[plucky flax]

Wtf just realised the vet in my last round didn't have anything.

[native plover]

handcannon's a hell of a drug

[shadow onyx]

average vet

[plucky flax]

He must have forgot to redo his talent tree.

17 mins then I died to bomber and the round was instant lost.

[brave fiber]

ah yes, those sure are numbers

[plucky flax]

In 17 mins these 2 guys manged a combine of 140k damage.

[shadow onyx]

there is only two chads in lobbies : chad zealot but pretty dumb and love to rush yolo, and the psyker, generaly the last to survive

[vast yew]

chad Plasma Vet w/ Shout and chad Shield Ogryn would like words

[shadow onyx]

chad plasma were maining plasma long before the buff, now its diluted in various newcomers who want to be n1 in scoreboard

[plucky flax]

I go back to psyker me comfy space. Vet too hard.

[vast yew]

yeah, but it's not like Zealots don't have idiot speedrunners diluting their numbers, or bad Psykers who blow themselves up twice and leave

[shadow onyx]

now 1/2 plasma vets cant kill a sniper if its + 30m away

[mighty cipher]

I’ve blown myself up 7 times in one fight before. I’m genuinely surprised I didn’t get kicked.

That wasn’t even me being new this happened recently.

[vast yew]

Warp Resistance 0 moment

[shadow onyx]

psyker are too chad they cant contain it , dont blame them

[glacial socket]

I have rarely seen anyone kicked'

[mighty cipher]

It wasn’t even that. I’m normally extremely good at managing my peril but I was having a that game of that games.

[glacial socket]

the only time Ive done it was kicking a lv 15 zealot in a Damnation mission that was throwing

[vast yew]

The only time I have ever kicked anyone was because he was calling people the gamer word

[mighty cipher]

I like how it’s now known as the premier gamer word instead of just N-word.

[queen fog]

Which gamer word we have many

[mighty cipher]

The gamer word.

[queen fog]

Ya but, the racist one or the sexuality one?

[glacial socket]

THE gamer word

[umbral helm]

I just call em nurgler

[vast yew]

The racist one, not the name for cigarettes in the UK

[queen fog]

It’s also a bundle of sticks around in the US but no one has used it for that term in ages

[vast yew]

anyways he'd been raging the whole match trying to votekick another guy on the team

[harsh urchin]

keep in mind how much of a damage boost critting is, especially with hand cannon, at 80% ADM; a non-crit is 400 x 0.8 = 320 damage, compared to a crit with hand cannon is 900*1.1=990
It's more than a 3x multiplier (against flak in this example)

[vast yew]

he and that guy had been going back and forth the whole time

[mighty cipher]

Lmao

[glacial socket]

what class was he?\

[vast yew]

get to the end event, he busts out the N-word, we yeet'd him

[harsh urchin]

this is a huge deal, especially since you're not running surgical

[vast yew]

uhhhh I actually don't remember but it wasn't an Ogryn

[glacial socket]

wha.... big guy

[shadow onyx]

i usualy kick to let friend join

[glacial socket]

I have not met a toxic ogryn yet

[vast yew]

Just make the party before the mission or have your friend wait 20 minutes bruh

[native plover]

Which one looks better?

[shadow onyx]

its probably my main troll pub profiles, shield ogryn and knife zealots

[glacial socket]

I would get mad if I got kicked mid mission so someone else could join

[shadow onyx]

first imo

[vast yew]

#1 has the cool voice mod, but both are cool

[queen fog]

Psi-veil imo but only because I don’t have the 1st piece of drip

I think that helmet matches with the psyker u see in the opening cinematic when they do a warp jump

So that’s another cool thing to remember

[glacial socket]

its a navigators helmet

[vast yew]

it's a Navigator helmet yeah

[mighty cipher]

I use the PSI-veil for my main getup. The tier two one. Not the one with the frill

[glacial socket]

they look into hell and go a little coo coo

[brave fiber]

Yeah def agree, I just value consistency more personally

[queen fog]

Goes to show how little ive dived into the 40k rabbithole

Thank u both for the clarification

[glacial socket]

once you start you cant escape

[shadow onyx]

you cant escape nurgle's grasp too

[queen fog]

lol ain’t that the truth, I still haven’t bought a figure yet but I know one day ima want to

[shadow onyx]

[glacial socket]

I have read 13 novels and I only crave more

I have unpainted thousand sons on my shelf

they sit their and stare at me

[harsh urchin]

you can also treat voidstrike the same way tbh, basically surge says "your crits do 3x damage"

so you just craft crit as a perk on it

[queen fog]

“Father paint us”
You, probably:

[shadow onyx]

i hate tzeentch chaos warrior in fantasy, but damn thoses thousand sons pre heresy and post heresy so gorgeous

[queen fog]

https://tenor.com/view/shannon-sharpe-undisputed-nope-funny-face-gif-536487951695337499

[glacial socket]

its so much trim

Its scary

I love their look but damn

[queen fog]

Is like liking orcs or a chaos type of unit

[shadow onyx]

Magnus did nothing wrong

[glacial socket]

TRUE!!!

[queen fog]

A lot of edges and other things that are a bitch to paint around

[brave fiber]

oh yeah my crit surge voidstrike build is entirely about maximizing the amount of crits I can possibly get, if gaze didn’t suck for staff I’d take it

[vast yew]

Thousand Sons are the best Chaos Space Marines

[idle plover]

Man i want mp3 file of seer psykers maddening laugh but i cant find it anywhere

[glacial socket]

thousand sons dont have spikes luckily but its the lines that get me

[vast yew]

Psykers, tough Marines, cool Primarch

[glacial socket]

their crests are a pain

[shadow onyx]

yeah the most tragic too, my favs with emperor children before heresy

[glacial socket]

there story is amazing

Ahriman is by far my favorite character in 40k

[shadow onyx]

i always hated space vikings, now i hate them more

[glacial socket]

John French's novels on him are great

[shadow onyx]

[glacial socket]

some parts of space wolves also get me a little mad

Ragnar just weilds a Khornite daemon weapon with no downside?

[idle plover]

Paints thousand dust sons with space wolves colour scheme

[glacial socket]

I was gonna try to go with a white base, gold trim, purple cloth, and blue magic/gems

[shadow onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chat-mord-bite-bitting-gif-13860829

[vast yew]

Think of it this way: with Crucian Roulette but no crit aura, new Revolver runs from 38.5 to 62.5 crit rate over the 5 bullets.
Or, you can expect 2.5 crits over a full 5 bullets. That's actually higher than the peak crit chance of Voidstrike, which is 7.5 + 5 + 5 + 5 + 20 = 42.5

[idle plover]

Crucian roulette is fun

But why is it not on fan the hammer one

Im mad

[vast yew]

It is on the fan the hammer one

they share blessings

lmao

[brave fiber]

yeah but voidstrike surge makes big bomba

[idle plover]

I took blessing out of the revolver but i couldnt put it on it

[glacial socket]

Ive given up on getting surge

[shadow onyx]

i never saw the bless power on chained shots on old revolver

[glacial socket]

Beloved does not want me to have it