psyker-class

[static needle]

maybe im playing wrong tho

[tawdry pasture]

you'll get them back by killing

[severe folio]

yes but how often are you going to vent shriek and then switch to BB instead of keep using purg

[slender coyote]

when im far enough away, so a lo

lot*

[severe folio]

then why are you using vent shriek

[slender coyote]

to not die

[old matrix]

What's a dumb stat for a fire staff?

[severe folio]

damage, warp resist, quell speed

[tawdry pasture]

the bubble is for your teammates too

they will work for you in exchange for toughness

[severe folio]

its kind of a waste

[slender coyote]

i get that

hm

[static needle]

lol i know. maybe if i ran assail i would have an easier time getting charges back?

[old matrix]

I'm just looking at staffs

[severe folio]

both of them are kind of lackluster

[tawdry pasture]

well, true, but the shock is a great panic button

i see what you're going for

[severe folio]

are you still leveling

[tawdry pasture]

it's good

[slender coyote]

you want burn and cloud radius the most on a purgatus

[old matrix]

Yes I haven't capped Pysker yet

Level 29

[severe folio]

you shouldnt worry about the weapon then

only do so at level 30

[blazing echo]

literal waste of mats

[severe folio]

until then all weapons arent quite at their full capacity and never will

[tawdry pasture]

assail just steals your crowd stun

if you run a dps staff

that button should be a cc

[slender coyote]

I don't get running assail with a purg staff

[old matrix]

Looks cool?

[severe folio]

running assail with purgatus so you can pick off ranged enemies faster than BB

[static needle]

its just that assail is more useful for killing targets that are moving sideways to you. With voidstrike thats way harder cause u have to lead shots way more

[severe folio]

thats not going to help in long run, its best to train your shot

[slender coyote]

btw my vent cooldown is usually around 15 sec

15-20

[severe folio]

thats normal

[slender coyote]

so i don't mind using it just for that

[tawdry pasture]

this class would probably have brainburst so the assail is not needed

assuming you didnt leave coherency

[slender coyote]

if i can already push back hordes with my purg

[tawdry pasture]

what is assail for?

oh thats right solo play

[severe folio]

assail for faster long range kill

and for medium squad kill

[slender coyote]

does assail priorotize elites?

[severe folio]

it can be if you aim it

[tawdry pasture]

nope it's brainburst lite

[slender coyote]

it does less overall damage iirc

[static needle]

@severe folio Is your opinion of voidstrike wth surge blessing + disrupt destiny still that it isnt worth running even due to the extra points it frees up?

[severe folio]

it does a lot more damage than BB

[tawdry pasture]

the shock is optimal

for most

[slender coyote]

eh i still prefer it

it works good for me

[static needle]

what difficulty are u playing most of the time?

[severe folio]

i dont get it

[slender coyote]

damnation

heresy actually harder because it has people tryna lvl up

[tawdry pasture]

^

[slender coyote]

a lot more than damnation has

[tawdry pasture]

its funny seeing a 30 person die on heresy

[severe folio]

most of the time you only see leveling people if you yourself are still leveling

[tawdry pasture]

you came down to help us mere mortals

then you tripped over

[slender coyote]

80% of the time in heresy i see lvl 25-28 rarely 30s

[amber yacht]

had some 30s in my malice run right now and they died lots too^^

[tawdry pasture]

usually, they push to obj and get movement bound

[severe folio]

i think its fine to run DD with voidstrike

[tawdry pasture]

skill points truly do not determine skills

[calm lotus]

psykers anyone got a basic build framework to use while levelling?

[tawdry pasture]

revolver

[calm lotus]

still sitting at 23

[severe folio]

not really

[tawdry pasture]

oh that shigh

[severe folio]

guns should do fine

staff are kinds lackluster

[calm lotus]

i know psyker is meant to be far better when maxed

[severe folio]

grab whatever you can

maybe a lot of survivability

and swim the mud

[tawdry pasture]

when you are levelling

use the OG trees

and score your outfit penances

shriek and bb

[severe folio]

cant score power up

[calm lotus]

ill probably just go with whatever for now

only a few levels

[tawdry pasture]

youre at a good level to score the redacted ones

heresy and up

[calm lotus]

not that bothered by getting the penances rn tbh

[severe folio]

time to hibernate in warp fire

[calm lotus]

still havent filled em out on my mains

[tawdry pasture]

dont think about it, but heresy 20-30 i got 4 mid mission ones without trying

[glossy ember]

im loving the knife + surge staff build boys

[tawdry pasture]

they happen when pyskers psyk

truly

[hasty kraken]

Wait, does in a single session not mean match, it means having to hold 6 stacks without losing even a single one for 300 secs?

[severe folio]

yep

[hasty kraken]

Welll fuuuuuuck that

[severe folio]

in one mission

[glossy ember]

histg carnival was fun

[severe folio]

for 300 seconds

[glossy ember]

kinda wish there was a way to separate blitz damage from ranged damage

i'll just assume my total lesser is my blitz damage and substract from that

[quartz barn]

That penance isnt too hard actually

[tawdry pasture]

you pretty much have to take point keep point and keep cracked dps

for 5 mins

[bronze flame]

have yall fucked around with gun psyker? had some salty ass mf going "why you got a gun??"

[severe folio]

gunpsyker great

[tawdry pasture]

maybe a mission end could cheese it

[severe folio]

revolver, laspistol, columnus

[tawdry pasture]

sit at evac

[quartz barn]

Just spam brain burst and you should get it pretty easily

[bronze flame]

they said "dont blame us if we have a problem with crowds later"

[hasty kraken]

Enemies dont live long enough for that lol

[quartz barn]

Doesnt matter

[glossy ember]

what does that even mean

[zenith zealot]

strong, best shxt for picking off stuff fast

[quartz barn]

You get the stack regardless

[severe folio]

fuk em kids

[quartz barn]

Or retain max stacks

[zenith zealot]

horde clear is shxtier

[hasty kraken]

If BB does not get cast reduction from Empowered Psionics, you might as well not cast it lol.

[bronze flame]

they were talking shit,because im not meta hugging in auric malstrom. sure meta helps but wont save you

[glossy ember]

but that'd be the same shit if they took surge staff

[zenith zealot]

main problem was dealing with crushers up close

[glossy ember]

[bronze flame]

got the dueling sword for that

[hasty kraken]

Wait, if you cast BB but the enemy is killed by someone else, you still get a stack?

[tawdry pasture]

full peril, 3 ragers, times you don't regret the revolver

[zenith zealot]

if u pick dueling sword, u clear slow, if u bring illisi, u cant fk crushers

[quartz barn]

Used to atleast

[icy wyvern]

fellas, im tire

[glossy ember]

i think the were just losers

[bronze flame]

im using mk1, dueling sword, BB

[zenith zealot]

main reason i think gun psyker is a fun build but not the best build

[bronze flame]

whihc i know is odd

[old matrix]

Wait so the Seer isn't Soulbound?

[quartz barn]

Not sure if it still does that, but i dont see why they would change that

[glossy ember]

u think i'm built to clear hordes? (ok i am i got assail)

[bronze flame]

its not the optimal bulid but its diff and fun

[severe folio]

none of them is lol

[glossy ember]

devil claw mk1? there's your horde clearer

[zenith zealot]

lets be real, u cant kill crushers with assail

[bronze flame]

thats on my vet lol

[zenith zealot]

and if u switch, u cant kill the horde

u rely on teammates more often

[misty cypress]

what is the most ammo efficient gun psyker gun?

[severe folio]

why are you still on about this strange priority thing

[bronze flame]

knife vet is stronger than zealot knife from what i saw

[glossy ember]

true

[zenith zealot]

i would say either columnus or revolver

havent tried laspistol so i cant say anything about that

[severe folio]

laspistol or kantrael IA

[bronze flame]

i just think its funny they blame me for hordes because im not meta hugging with psyker, and got all pissy and had no come back other than "soy jack voice"

[echo island]

bro how hard is it to get surge

[zenith zealot]

revolver's probably the most efficient especially if u have a survivalist vet, never picked any ammo pack with it

[bronze flame]

oh revolver vet is godly

[echo island]

Ive made upwards of 10 voistrikes staffs and none even have surge on it

[bronze flame]

i got my meta roll on revolver

[glossy ember]

i mean they weird if they assign horde duty to psker from the get go

[quartz barn]

Keep trying i guess

I have a 4/4 voidstrike but have yet to get that on a 370+ roll sadge

[zenith zealot]

that's why u build for all rounders, so u wont whine when someone didnt build the way u expect them to

guys that wanna have fun can have their fun

[bronze flame]

80% dmg 80% crit 80% penetration and 10% weakspot 25% carapace

[zenith zealot]

if u dont build all rounder and blame someone for it, its your problem

[fallow gale]

Why fatshark hates psykers? There is no new staffs for us ;_:

[echo island]

just make a new voidstrike then get surge on it and re-bless

[zenith zealot]

with talent changes, i say they love psyker

[quartz barn]

Ye but my store rng sucks

[echo island]

Thats what Im doing atm

[old matrix]

You say this when Vet exists

[echo island]

same

[quartz barn]

Ran out of plasteel long ago

[zenith zealot]

yea vet tree, very sad

[bronze flame]

my counter is: "you saw my bulid, you could bulid to deal with crowds"

[zenith zealot]

looking at it hurts my brain

[fallow gale]

Yea vet receives talents and weapons and changes

[zenith zealot]

exactly, u should've either switched your build, or just deal with it

[echo island]

Istg if I see one more terrifying barrage

[old matrix]

As a Vet main (though at this point I just play everybody) it is too damn expensive

[fallow gale]

But psykers only fun fixes

[echo island]

has to be the most useless psyker blessing

[zenith zealot]

sides, my horde clear is god tier when i bring my illisi with my gun

[old matrix]

Have you seen the changes to the Vet tree?

[bronze flame]

plus, lets be honest, the best weapons and bulid wont save you if you cant actually play the game

[zenith zealot]

that too

[bronze flame]

i was last to die XD

[zenith zealot]

any build is viable if u can play the game to pure perfection

[bronze flame]

dodge, shove and attack

[zenith zealot]

there's only better builds, no wrong builds

[fallow gale]

With one

XD

[bronze flame]

me looking at 7 wound zealots.....i dont know lmao

[echo island]

I thirst for surge so I can prevents that cluster of crushers from downing my team

[icy wyvern]

i just played a high intensity heresy round and the oggy died five times

[bronze flame]

ill be honest, i get nervous if i see above 3 wounds on auric besides a zealot

[quartz barn]

Gonna be honest i dont see how people think heresy is hard

[bronze flame]

theres 2 bulids on vet that allow 1-3 shot on crusher

[icy wyvern]

Heresy, the difficulty, is not hard.
Heresy, the teammates, is hard.

[echo island]

Nah Ive seen what surge on voidstrike can do

[flat magnet]

Trauma staff.

Not great for damage, but add rending and it'll throw the crushers down on their ass and fuck their armor

[echo island]

also vet is boring for me no matter what build Ive tried idk

anyways back to another game of damnation

[icy wyvern]

mk1 helbore stabby stab

[bronze flame]

knife vet:
tree: all dmg buff from invisble + bleed on melee
weapon: weakspot on bleeding target, backstab rending

revolver vet:
all dmg inc skills
revolver w/ rending and surgical

[echo island]

Oh god I hate the knife vet build

Ran that revolver vet b4, its decent

[icy wyvern]

knife vet is like shade

run real fast, die, ragequit

repeat

[flat magnet]

You forgot blaming your team for being slow and abandoning you

[icy wyvern]

^^

[flat magnet]

Just play dueling sword with Scriers gaze

Can finally keep up and get killed with the zealot
As the emperor intended

[crude cape]

hows this? talent build for gunker, laspistol
i also have a version with assail but overall thoughts on the build?

[bronze flame]

for what reason

[crude cape]

I have this too, but bottom part is the same

[bronze flame]

not sure id take infernus

[crude cape]

pretty sure ive heard infurnus is the meta, no?

[flat magnet]

Seeing BB and Scriers without EP is
Weird to me

I assume you just let flayer proc and never use BB normally?

[bronze flame]

i wouldnt think so

[slender coyote]

i try running that

[crude cape]

its gun build, why would i use EP? im never casting BB

its only there bc i have to pick one, and auto BB procs on shots

assail version is there for the assail weaving, but i dont love assail + gun

[flat magnet]

A friend of mine uses BB with EP,
It's just a combo I've not seen before that's all

[crude cape]

i mean ya if i was actually casting BB and using a staff or something

sure

but its a gun build lol

[flat magnet]

Yea lol

[bronze flame]

crack head knife vet is hard

[slender coyote]

you just gotta be precise no?

[flat magnet]

But all I must ask

Do you get the zoomies using that build

[bronze flame]

for knife bulid its about being a crack head and getting back stabs

[slender coyote]

what gun do you run with knife build i wonder

or is that actually just irrelevant

idk why were talking about this here ngl

[digital narwhal]

Lacerate instead of Flesh Tearer on a crit build?

Cringe

[bronze flame]

well i do run the revolver with it

[slender coyote]

and is the knife decent at fending off hordes?

or are you relying on the -90 threat from stealth

[bronze flame]

can you join a vc? i can show you the bulid

[slender coyote]

aight

[willow hazel]

Psyker can always spam push attack with knife. It's not great horde clear but you won't die

[digital narwhal]

Knife works with anything on Psyker tbh

Just because Psyker has access to Staves and/or Assail

I like using Combat Knife on my Gun Psyker since Assail still gives me viable "AOE"

[distant roost]

Bleed... knives...

horrifying.

[digital narwhal]

Why's that horrifying?

[distant roost]

just.

run uncanny/precog

or similar

waiting for things to bleed out is bleh

[glossy ember]

well it's my only knife really

i gotta roll more

[digital narwhal]

SUBJECTED TO THE CRAFTING SYSTEM?!

CRINGE

[fading depot]

I like the knife because if my team dies it helps me swoop around and survive

[glossy ember]

not like it'd make a diff anyway

39k melee damage

5k bleed

[digital narwhal]

You don't wait for things to bleed out
Rending + Bleed gives nutty DPS alongside your stabs.

lmao

[fading depot]

I wish I was home playing Darktide right now

[old matrix]

Does Kinetic Flayer get affected by EP?

[fading depot]

[digital narwhal]

Plus, Rending + Bleed gives strong Boss DPS

[digital narwhal]

No.

[distant roost]

its an eh blessing tbh

[old matrix]

Whew because it'd suck to lose a charge like that

[digital narwhal]

Lacerate, Uncanny, or Flesh Tearer?

[digital narwhal]

Tbh, Flayer is shit

[limpid cypress]

Me too, pal. Grutting hate school

[old matrix]

Yeah I don't use it, just wondering

[digital narwhal]

1 free BB every 15 seconds which is statistically more likely to trigger on a Poxwalker sure is a good use for a node

[old matrix]

I rather have a perk that makes it so it affects like enemies in an area

[digital narwhal]

Now that BB doesn't even give Warp Charges on any enemy, it's shit

[fading depot]

BB is still really good imo

[unborn flicker]

I used to hate on BB

And while I think it could use a dmg increase

When you use it right after shrieking

It goes hard

Especially when paired with warp charges

[distant roost]

lac/flesh

im a fan of uncanny

[digital narwhal]

Flesh Tearer is cracked with Uncanny with a Crit Build on Psyker

[plucky flax]

I prefer lacerate to flesh tearer.

[digital narwhal]

Crit twice
Max bleed stacks
Nutty DPS against Crushers, Bulwarks, Reapers, Monstrosities, etc. with the Rending from Uncanny.

[steep jungle]

anyone got a good build for completing malleus monstronum?

should i go warp charges or empowered psionics?

[glossy ember]

be real with me fellas

is assail a crutch/op

having a hard time believing I suddenly got REAL good at the game

[plucky flax]

No it needs buff.

[glossy ember]

[plucky flax]

Native handcannon + 2s cd.

[glossy ember]

i dont trust u, sir trauma

[plucky flax]

In patch 13 it was more op than voidstrike ever was.

Literally just assail the whole map.

[distant roost]

maybe, its a meme blessin for a rsn to me tho

[hushed flower]

Siblings, is this a good roll for killing crushers?

[plucky flax]

It's okie but mk4 would kill it so much faster.

[hushed flower]

Because of strike>strike pattern?

[willow hazel]

the heavy attacks of the mk4 just do more damage

[digital narwhal]

Not to me

Combat Knife is all about bleed tbh.

So...

[vast yew]

Does the special attack of the MK2 chain into Heavy1 or Heavy2?

if it chains into Heavy1 you could at least stagger-lock it like the MK4 can

[glossy ember]

just dropped this

usable?

[ember mesa]

The charge rate a little low and I also don't like trauma staff

[clear elm]

Aim for better charge rate, shit directly correlates to dps

[digital narwhal]

52% Charge Rate

[clear elm]

Also quell speed is kinda important

[ember mesa]

LMAOOOO

[digital narwhal]

69% is fine

[ember mesa]

I don't mind having low quell when I play with high peril

[vast yew]

Use it til you get something better, then rip one of the blessings off

[glossy ember]

lfmao

this fuckin clip

[clear elm]

Aim for 80 damage 80 charge rate 80 radius, everything else is kinda minor

[digital narwhal]

I have many more laugh reactions

(Loud)

[plucky flax]

52 charge

[glossy ember]

aight will do

[hasty kraken]

Zealot said that 3 psykers break the game, we agree

[ember mesa]

I hate this one. My ears

[vast yew]

You do need a certain level of Warp Resist/Quell Speed to be able to get a "2-tick" quell from max

and Quell Speed > Warp Resist, because scaling

[ember mesa]

Id take quell speed over resist.

[vast yew]

Quell Speed scaling is absurd and nonsensical

0 quell speed is -33%, 50 quell speed is +0%, 80 becomes ~+40%, and a theoretical 100 would be +100%

[ember mesa]

I have a really good surge force staff but I can't get a decent voidstrike one. I've rolled blessings on like 40 and still can't get surge.

[vast yew]

Surge is a lot of fun but Flurry/Nexus is also real good

Surge also defacto requires True Aim, so Flurry/Nexus saves 2 points

[ember mesa]

I love surge staff honestly. I can two shot bulwarks and stuff.

For not having void strike or my gear super min maxed it feels decent.

[vast yew]

(There's also the funny build with Transfer Peril + Scrier's Gaze)

[glossy ember]

could swap out infested and haymaker... would be nice since I don't use it on armored targets.

[ember mesa]

I just switched to the last force sword you get for the cc. I love it

[distant roost]

make it precog and have a lovely time

or riposte

or backstab

[vast yew]

Deimos is a weapon that gets more absurd the longer you look at it

80 Mobility Deimos has a longer dodge distance than an 80 Mobility Duelling Sword 4

because reasons

[digital narwhal]

Tbh, Pen too low

Just grab Uncanny

[ember mesa]

I haven't used deimos yet. I prefer the cc over single target sage.

Damage*

[glossy ember]

[vast yew]

(it has Uncanny)

[digital narwhal]

Yes

Take it

[vast yew]

oh you meant sacrifice it

[digital narwhal]

for their Blessings

[vast yew]

lmao I thought you were saying to swap Haymaker for it

[glossy ember]

current knife for comparison

[ember mesa]

Lol my ogryn also names Grond. After LotR right?

[vast yew]

Illisi is the premier infantry blender and also pretty silly

Illisi goes on my builds that need Horde clear and Deimos goes on my builds that don't

[ember mesa]

Yeah with my surge staff I need more cc.

[digital narwhal]

GROND GROND GROND

[ember mesa]

Yessss

[vast yew]

Yeah my Surge staff build has Illisi/Surge/Assail (sometimes Smite for Palpatine memes)

[ember mesa]

I chant it while slamming my shield lol

[willow hazel]

Surge staff + mk4 is too strong. Just get AoE from Perilous Combustion and Creeping Flames

[vast yew]

If you're running Shout ye

if you've got Dome then you kinda need some ability to clear hordes

(which Mk4 also does, but not as good as Illisi)

[ember mesa]

I love dome.

[vast yew]

Every time I take Shout I run into 53 gunners and miss Dome.
Every time I take Dome I'm desperately trying to Quell in the face of 20 Ragers and miss Shout

[ember mesa]

I use surge staff/illisi with brain burst passively hitting and I can one shot almost everything except carapace armored.

[glossy ember]

take scrier

[hexed geyser]

Mk4 has good single target damage?

[vast yew]

Dueling Mk4 has very good single target damage

[willow hazel]

Why not just shout at the gunners? Above 85% peril they all die

[vast yew]

it doesn't hit quite as hard as Deimos Heavy2 but it attacks a lot faster

[ember mesa]

I liked the single target DMG of dueling swords. Unfortunately I'm bad at landing my headshots.

Skill issue lol

[vast yew]

They die in 11 seconds, which is about 9 seconds after I do

[digital narwhal]

I am also a Scrier's shill

[glossy ember]

based

[vast yew]

Also assumes it's off cooldown, I'm at high peril already, etc etc

[willow hazel]

Well they are knocked down for most of those 11 seconds

[vast yew]

Not if they're far away they ain't

[ember mesa]

I've never tried scriers

[hexed geyser]

I'm running voidstrike mk4 with assail and dome, thinking of switching to the fire staff.

[glossy ember]

also assail with battle meditation is kinda nutty

it constantly triggers on hordes

[digital narwhal]

It's quite strong tbh

[glossy ember]

makes it easy to use it during scrier

[digital narwhal]

but people don't like how Warp Charges doesn't provide CDR for it

[willow hazel]

If sheik is on CD, then dome would be too

[vast yew]

Scrier's is great with either an Autogun or the funny Voidstrike memes

[digital narwhal]

I can confirm on the Autogun

Scrier's Columnus is

dumb

[ember mesa]

I wonder if it would be better than going the warp charge path for damage with surge staff.

[digital narwhal]

Especially with Empathic Evasion

[willow hazel]

Yeah it's not worth running with Warp Charges.

[vast yew]

fair, but there is still the peril bit

[glossy ember]

go both

[ember mesa]

Hmmm...

[willow hazel]

But great with the other two keystones

[glossy ember]

[digital narwhal]

Also, Scrier's with Empowered Psionics Assail for 0 cost casts

[vast yew]

is annoying to sit behind cover spamming right click charge to build Peril to kill the gunners

[digital narwhal]

[glossy ember]

trust, it's still worth

[ember mesa]

I mean at 0 peril surge staff with warp charges I can one shot anything but carapace armored and bulwarks/crushers

[glossy ember]

[vast yew]

Stop trying to get the man to run Surge Staff/Warp Siphon/Scriers he might join your Auric lobbies

[glossy ember]

that's what i run

it's fun

join us..

i mean uh

haha join me...

[vast yew]

[glossy ember]

love the emperor yes.

[vast yew]

(honestly Psyker has so much nuts stuff you can kinda run whatever)

As long as it makes sense

[ember mesa]

Death in service of The God Emperor is the greatest glory one can receive.

[willow hazel]

Ah yes, I too love spending 10 talent points for +24% that goes away when I use scrier's

[glossy ember]

they come back fast enough if you prioritize targets you can instantly one shot

[digital narwhal]

Show the clip

[digital narwhal]

WS is so fucking expensive to build into, and for what reason?

It's so fucking taxing

[glossy ember]

scrier gives you 10% damage, 20% crit rate and -20% peril gen after all

[quasi junco]

? By praying for a crit?

[glossy ember]

i feel like a meme pulling out the youtube clips every time

[ember mesa]

I might play with scriers later.

[glossy ember]

[willow hazel]

If I am already killing 6 elites in Scrier's, that +24% isn't really needed

[ember mesa]

I have crazy high crit rate and brain burst will hit on top of it generally.

[glossy ember]

ok but 2000 damage from a rmb on a bulwark tho

[vast yew]

WS scales upwards with difficulty, hence why it's usually best, but I have a soft spot for EP with Brain Burst

[digital narwhal]

I recommend a Vraks Mk III Headhunter, a Columnus IAG, a Laspistol, or a Revolver

[ember mesa]

If I wanna play with guns I'll play on my veteran or zealot

Lol

[quasi junco]

This is the way

[hexed geyser]

Exactly

[quasi junco]

Gunkers are gross

[ember mesa]

This is the way.

[glossy ember]

also in this case it's not for more damage (even if you do get more damage), but for more consistancy on crits with surge staff

[willow hazel]

Gunker is too fun though

[vast yew]

You're going to summon him

[quasi junco]

Who Grond?

[vast yew]

Gunker is fun but if you don't have an ammo vet it becomes a bit sufferring

[digital narwhal]

Gun Psyker plays differently to the other 3 though

[ember mesa]

Maybe some day I'll give it a shot.

[digital narwhal]

It’s a mix of Zealots speed crack with higher DPS than a ranged Veteran

[willow hazel]

Gun psyker should use less ammo than an Ogryn or Zealot

[digital narwhal]

^

[willow hazel]

keyword should

[vast yew]

higher peak DPS; the ranged Vet with his constant brittleness stacks will outdamage you when you don't have Gaze up

but that's besides the point

Gunker melts things

[glossy ember]

i promise scrier is nice , look i messed up and didn't even have 5 PT stacks

[digital narwhal]

Gun Psykers are in theory, on paper, and in practice, more efficient with ammo than other Classes, bar Survivalist Vets….

if they have good game sense.

[hexed geyser]

What'a the effect of brittleness exactly?

[digital narwhal]

Most Gun Psyker pubbies do not.

[quasi junco]

Reduce armor rating

Or is that rend

[calm lotus]

both

[quasi junco]

One amplifies damage, the other reduces protection from flak etc

[vast yew]

Imma be honest that seems like more a showcase of swap cancelling then a showcase of Scriers

[calm lotus]

rend is a buff to you, brittleness is a debuff to the enemy

[glossy ember]

you kinda need to swap cancel to make scrier work

[vast yew]

Rending and Brittleness do the same thing

[glossy ember]

for surge staff at least

[vast yew]

Swapping with Surge always feels pretty cheap to me, plus it feels like something they'll one day patch out

[glossy ember]

ain't any cheaper than most mods

[vast yew]

not saying it's not a valid technique, I just don't like doing it

[glossy ember]

and can be done with many weapons

[vast yew]

ayo most mods don't give you a huge DPS increase

[glossy ember]

if they patch it then so be it

[willow hazel]

It's a hard problem to solve because swapping to melee would feel awful if it skipped doing damage with surge

[glossy ember]

shhh i'm trying to prove my point by redirecting the argument

[vast yew]

It would, but it'd make the most sense. Or have some sort of algorithm deal the final damage but scale it by how long you actually fired the charge

[glossy ember]

I think it's fine

surge staff needs it

[vast yew]

Imagine if you could swap off the Deimos' special attack

[glossy ember]

you really want it to be forced to go through the full animation? lol

literally everyone would steal your kills

so no warp stacks

[vast yew]

4% chance anyways baybee

[willow hazel]

Lets be honest, swap canceling Surge staff is kinda broken

[vast yew]

Also yeah Surge works fine even if you don't cancel it

source being Chaos' video from a few days ago where he solo'd with it and 3 bots

[glossy ember]

i really don't think it's that broken

[vast yew]

It's not broken for you because you're pairing it with freaking Scrier's

They don't need to nerf you, you already did it for them

[glossy ember]

damn

i just got roasted

[willow hazel]

Yeah you can just swap cancel with the meta Creeping Flames Surge build and it's busted

[quasi junco]

Scriers with surge. I already blow myself up too much as it is, I can’t imagine

[vast yew]

ilu ❤️

[glossy ember]

but swap cancel with creeping flames is counter intuitive since swap cancelling generates less peril

and you want high peril

no?

[vast yew]

I mean Palpatine builds plenty of Peril anyways

[glossy ember]

you mean smiting?

[vast yew]

Oh also if you're going Surge/Smite Psyker be sure to buy the new helmet from the shot; the voice filter really completes the "Sith Lord" aesthetic

The red Deimos Sword is optional but also fits

[glossy ember]

i think creeping flames is more broken than surge staff itself

[vast yew]

Creeping Flames is probably overtuned yeah lol

should probably be like 1-4 stacks instead of 1-6

[plucky flax]

Bruh

Don't give them ideas.

[glossy ember]

forced scrier build for everyone

[willow hazel]

You want high peril when ult is up. But having the the extra DPS from swap canceling just means more PC and Aura procs

[plucky flax]

They already took away my 2s assail crutch.

[vast yew]

You turn off the Jesper Kyd soundtrack you have no power here Chaos

🔫

[plucky flax]

[vast yew]

also could you make a video using your Fire trauma build on something other than Scab Melee Maelstrom I need to study how to not die to shooters

since I recently am trying to use Shriek instead of Bubble

[willow hazel]

The rework to use peril instead of Warp Charges broke it. It's just so spammable now.

[eager mantle]

That helmet ugly though

[quasi junco]

❤️ my deflector Deimos with kinetic deflection, block efficiency and Stam curios

I’ve tanked shotgunners into 85 peril for shriek/flames

[vast yew]

Like it hasn't become a problem yet but having 2 Stalkers take 100 toughness off of me when I don't have Dome sends my brain into panic mode

[quasi junco]

Then tanked them again till dead

[plucky flax]

Solo clutch against shooters + specials included
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4ba8PeeJL8

Woops wrong one.

[vast yew]

that Psyker looks weird sibling

[echo turtle]

Anyone else getting a bug with disrupt destiny where it doesn't credit you the stacks?

[willow hazel]

yup

No idea what causes it

[vast yew]

Ayo thanks bud Imma watch it later

[vast yew]

It's Fatshark telling you not to take DD

(Fatshark please fix DD)

[echo turtle]

DD is great, fatshark plz fix

[plucky flax]

There was a FS employee in that game.

I saved his ass.

[vast yew]

oh no

he's gonna nerf Fire Trauma now

[plucky flax]

He didn't even buff blaze trauma after.

[eager mantle]

DD is the only keystone I can say "sometimes it's drunk"

[vast yew]

Oh also has anyone been having weird lag issues recently

[eager mantle]

Yes

[vast yew]

I was playing last night and it was doing some weird jank

like, used Shriek, got the animation, and still blew up

or having things in the Trauma epicenter but take damage like they were on the edge

it was like I'd desync'd from the server or something

[plucky flax]

They bought servers from wish.com

[quasi junco]

Do you run deflector on FS?

[plucky flax]

Yes deflector slaughterer.

[quasi junco]

Oh same. For my builds that I don’t use shield

[prisma condor]

What perks do I need on this one?

[static needle]

Is the rashaad axe good against hordes compared to deimos or mk IV DS?

[zenith zealot]

better for sure

idk if antax is even the best axe at horde clear anymore since the brutal momentum nerf

feels like rashad's the best one now thanks to finesse stat

especially now that brutal momentum begs for weakspots more than ever

[plucky flax]

Combat axe on psyker feels so bad.

The slow attack speed.

[zenith zealot]

which is why rashad is probably the best one overall

finesse gives atk speed

+weakspot dmg +crit dmg

[quasi junco]

Yea as someone who loves Rashad on zealot, it’s meh on space wizard

[plucky flax]

It's mostly for heavies. If you compare light attack speed between antax and rashad it's very small margine.

And you need very high finesse roll to be faster than antax.

[quasi junco]

Antax also has a better special

[zenith zealot]

idk about u but i try to get my finesse as high as possible

so fk antax

or rather fk modern brutal momentum

they should make it like power cycler

[quasi junco]

When did BM get nerfed?

[zenith zealot]

u get like 2 hits that ignores hit mass after a weakspot kill

[plucky flax]

An example of light attack speed here #1158835247685836853 message

Rashad with 80% finesse is maybe 0.01s faster.

[zenith zealot]

used to be constantly ignore hitmass after a weakspot kill for a few seconds, now its for weakspot kills only

[plucky flax]

I prefer the new bm.

[quasi junco]

Lights only aim at head tho

Slashes

[zenith zealot]

a standard illisi with no blessings would probably do the job faster than an axe with t4 brutal momentum

[quasi junco]

Illisi can’t stunlock two crushers. A Rashad can

[zenith zealot]

unless u can one shot all the chaff mobs with weakspot with your axe, else its gonna be terribly slow

we're talking about horde clear not crusher killing

[quasi junco]

By alternating heavies

Oh

[zenith zealot]

yea, at least i am

talking about how bad the horde clear factor of new brutal momentum is

that 15% weakspot dmg increase? garbage

[quasi junco]

Rashad can also stunlock the random rager mixed in with said horde (provided you hit head pre combo)

[zenith zealot]

fat chance of that

u cant really cleave through much with new brutal momentum

[plucky flax]

Idk about on psyker but on zealot new bm clears faster than old bm.

[zenith zealot]

might just be me, but i feel like it only cleaves if its weakspot kills, which means if you kill first on weakspot, and second one u get a none weakspot hit, u dont continue the cleave

[red jacinth]

truly a hadron moment

[zenith zealot]

u have to keep getting weakspot kills to continue the cleave

is what i feel

[plucky flax]

If your hit is a weakspot kill shot, it'll do no fall off damage to 4 targets.

[quasi junco]

Axe has great aim for heads tho

[plucky flax]

So in a horde with each swing you kill at least 4 enemies.

[zenith zealot]

not with psyker i dont

not with most classes honestly

[plucky flax]

With headtaker stacks maybe you can on psyker too.

[quasi junco]

Pair BM with head taker

[plucky flax]

You can easily on zealot and vet on chaffs.

But like I said psyker with combat axe is not great because of no attack speed bonus.

[zenith zealot]

my vet probably just has a bad axe, but it was still decent considering it has headtaker 4 and bm 4, 10% weakspot dmg and 25 unyielding, couldnt change the perks since blessings were ass, and its only bad stat was like 65% cleave dmg, slow as fk

i hate dreg flak head chaffs

[echo turtle]

Second game with the same build. DD doesnt credit me the kills again for most of the game

[zenith zealot]

those guys were my greatest bane especially when i couldnt one shot them

even the scab chaffs with unarmored heads was not oneshottable

[echo turtle]

It would be great if the abilities actually worked properly on this class holy fuck

[zenith zealot]

psyker's had decimator

was ok but ultimately still slow

if i wanna play an axe i gotta find the perfect one now

[digital narwhal]

Just use Empowered Psionics

[quasi junco]

Wonder when they will buff tac axes

[zenith zealot]

also, idk when the nerf came, was it pre talent tree rework or post?

if it was pre talent tree rework, u gotta take into consideration that the "faster clear" was due to the new talent tree being a massive buff to all classes

if it was post rework, and u could compare the two, then alright, sure, its better

[glossy ember]

i see

[zenith zealot]

but in my book, no matter what, that 15% weakspot is ass

[plucky flax]

On vet all chaffs 1 shot headshot with headtaker stacks.

[zenith zealot]

especially if u know how it truly works

[zenith zealot]

what's your modifiers and perks

cuz like i said, u need the perfect one that can just one shot all chaffs

previous had value even if u dont one shot all chaffs

[plucky flax]

I showed at the beginning. But here it is

[zenith zealot]

u start the value with the first kill, and keep it permanently

ah sry didnt pay attention

yep so basically i need flak armor for sure, heck that may not even be enough since i failed to one shot with my rashad with 25 flak and dumped it

[plucky flax]

Yeah need flak for dreg bruiser.

They are very tanky.

[glossy ember]

starting to realize that maybe soul stealer + assail is the reason why I feel so much tankier now

[zenith zealot]

yea, the perfect axe

[vast yew]

The sad reality for Psyker axes is that… the Duelling sword Mk5 is right there, and it still plays second fiddle to the Mk4

[zenith zealot]

also, just in case, u do know how weakspot dmg increase works right?

[quasi junco]

Ppl take BM for the ignore hitmass lol

[glossy ember]

ignore hit mass op

[zenith zealot]

bro, if u truly take it just for ignore hit mass, old bm would've been way better

and this would've been a hard nerf no doubt

[glossy ember]

gotta take what u can get

[zenith zealot]

old bm was permanently, 1 weakspot kill, and u can keep it going forever till u run out of hordes

and if @plucky flax prefers new one, then he/she prefers the 15% weakspot dmg

[vast yew]

I know for certain Zealot builds BM can let you one-tap mutants to the head but idk about combat axes

[zenith zealot]

idk if u guys know Andy, but this guy liked new bm, until i explained how weakspot dmg actually works

[plucky flax]

No it's for the fact that you kill 4+ enemies each swing.

Old BM you kill 1 and do low damage to 10.

[vast yew]

Did old BM also ignore cleave damage dropoff?

If not that would explain why the new is preferred

[zenith zealot]

nothing about ignore cleave damage dropoff was described in the blessing in the first place

[fading depot]

What is BM

[quasi junco]

That’s what ignore hitmass means

[zenith zealot]

brutal momentum

[fading depot]

Ah

[zenith zealot]

if so then old bm would've still been better

[fading depot]

I got that on my vet sword

[hearty oak]

I just do sunder on my PS

[zenith zealot]

stuff in game doing stuff that's not described again

hidden mechanics and whatnot

[plucky flax]

Same can be done with rashad with this rashad

[zenith zealot]

rashad's for sure since it has more on hit dmg no?

[plucky flax]

Yeah high finesse.

[fading depot]

Unfortunate perks

[zenith zealot]

which was why im just abandoning antax now

rashad better choice

if i can ever get a good enough one

[quasi junco]

What’s hilarious about Rashad is you only use heavies on mauler/crusher/bosses

[zenith zealot]

idk about u but imo that's what u do with any combat axe

[plucky flax]

Luckily it doesn't affect flamer 1 shot breakpoint without headtaker stacks.

[quasi junco]

Oh I only use Rashad 😛

[glossy ember]

is the antax V axe any good

[zenith zealot]

every combat axe have the same heavy, except the achlys, which starts with a sideswipe, then into perma overheads

[plucky flax]

Yeah if you get headtaker 4 or bm last blessing.

[vocal sundial]

worse than rashad

[glossy ember]

hm let's gamba

nice

guess i want BM4 on that

[zenith zealot]

shred replace to bm 4, 8% to elites replace to 25 flak

perfect axe

damn, im saltier now

[glossy ember]

that's my very first 550 weapon

[zenith zealot]

grats

[glossy ember]

shaem damage is the lowest stat

[quasi junco]

Now get a 600 weapon

[zenith zealot]

impossble

quite literally

least for now

[quasi junco]

For now…… 😎

Red weapons when lol

[zenith zealot]

they gotta create a higher difficulty first

and honestly, not sure i want them to

like literaly right now, people lose to special spam

[vast yew]

I'd be okay with Red's just having 5 80's instead of 5 100's. I think the ship has sailed on raising that cap

[zenith zealot]

like pox bursters stacked to the brim, specialist monstrosities multispawn, that kind of shxt

[quasi junco]

They need to retune director

[zenith zealot]

unless they make a higher difficulty that increases their stats rather than just making them spawn more, i dont want a new difficulty

or just new monsters that are tougher

[calm violet]

Yo, any suggestions on the easiest way to get the cliffhanger penance?

[zenith zealot]

what do u need to do with that

[plucky flax]

No u

[vast yew]

The easiest way is to simply-

[zenith zealot]

hang on a cliff

[glossy ember]

wow i'm really not a big fan of the axe moveset

[mental rock]

No you don't want increased stat enemies, bullet sponges are not fun. Elite threat was boring

[quasi junco]

Just decrease pickups/medicae charges

Boom harder

[calm violet]

That would do it

[zenith zealot]

there's a map where 2 bridges are connected to the middle, and u're doing a data interrogator in the middle at the end part

[quasi junco]

Ascension Riser

[zenith zealot]

if anyone here knows the map name

[vast yew]

Imagine red curios with +25% health/+20% toughness/+2 Wounds

[zenith zealot]

older map

[vast yew]

Martyrdom Stonks

[zenith zealot]

also ascension has no data interrogator during final part

[quasi junco]

Station Vigilim

[zenith zealot]

should be this

[glossy ember]

yeah i'll stick to knife

[quasi junco]

I misspelled the fuck outta that lol

[zenith zealot]

just push enemies off with venting shriek during that part

[vast yew]

I think I got my Cliffhanger during the end event of Hab Drayko when enemies spawn out of that door on the left just past the bridges that blow up

But that was like a year ago

[zenith zealot]

doable too, but a bit tougher

[quasi junco]

That extraction is great, need more like it

[zenith zealot]

since they dont willingly cross that bridge

[zenith zealot]

horrendous final event tho

[vast yew]

IIRC you don't need them on the bridge, the door they spawn out of is right next to a ledge

[zenith zealot]

well, not horrendous, but by far the toughest

[vast yew]

I think I just ran across, turned left, and used old Shriek + force sword pushes

[zenith zealot]

still a small distance is my issue with that

but doable

[vast yew]

But again it was like a year ago so it's fuzzy

[zenith zealot]

i just got mine from vigilim specifically

since its a small ass bridge, with chaffs hording it

one venting shriek from the correct angle and, boop, u got it

didnt even do it intentionally, was just a funny thought i acted upon, and i got a random penance

[zenith zealot]

old psyker mains rise up

did "going out with a bang" before penance revamp?

[mighty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/undertaker-still-alive-back-from-the-dead-gif-14592821

[zenith zealot]

wish u could show that u did the "true" version of going out with a bang

shxt's so easy now u can do it by accident

[calm violet]

This is the way

[zenith zealot]

ye, good luck dude

[mighty olive]

Most you'll get done as you play the game, the rest you'll get done by accident

[vast yew]

yeah got it completely by accident my very first run on... whatever the minimum difficulty was at the time

accidentally blew myself up and took 3 Ragers with me

[zenith zealot]

lucky

[mighty olive]

Yep something similar happened with mine haha

[zenith zealot]

i had to meticulously brainburst each of 3 ragers once before blowing myself up

[vast yew]

I think I'd just gotten a Purgatus and was overzealous at spraying it into a crowd

it must've softened them up enough

[quasi junco]

lol got my out with a bang with plasma gun

[calm violet]

Hey, anyone else online? If so, is voice chat down?

[zenith zealot]

whenever i tried doing that with randos, they either die too fast, or randos kill them before my explosion go off

[vast yew]

Oh the rest of the team was already dead

I was fighting for my life

[zenith zealot]

lmao that was funny

[zenith zealot]

well u got the penance, silver lining

one of the most annoying penance possible

[vast yew]

Brain Burst Monstrosity one is harder IMO if you don't have 3 friends willing to twiddle thumbs

The only redacted Penance I still dont' have

[zenith zealot]

true, that one requires buddies

but once u do, easy as nosh

[zenith zealot]

can do it in maelstrom with specialist monstrosities

weakened monstrosities still count as monstrosities, so u can do it faster

[vast yew]

Yeah but I'm almost never in a Private lobby

My buddies play Diff 3

💀

[zenith zealot]

oh yea true, they added that bs now

[zenith zealot]

this is not a skull, its a sad grey jellyfish

[zenith zealot]

never tried getting a team here in server vcs?

[plucky flax]

You can join me in sedition.

[zenith zealot]

red sedition

[vast yew]

No you guys stinky

[zenith zealot]

no ignore the yellow skull with red eyes, its sedition

[vast yew]

I should actually play here sometimes it just feels weird for some reason

[zenith zealot]

u're anti social

no just joking, we're weird

[plucky flax]

Awww yis you know what time it is

[cinder tide]

I got that when I over heated my plasma gun and was so confused lmao

[zenith zealot]

sedition time

[plucky flax]

It's the blaze trauma special modifier.

[quasi junco]

Gunker time?

[plucky flax]

Yeah with no ammo pickup.

They'll go real well.

[quasi junco]

lol

[zenith zealot]

Shxt's like the most speedrunnable map no?

Get 3 stealth zealots and 1 smite psyker

Zealots run all around getting shxt and ignoring mobs

Revive psyker at the end to stunlock all the chaffs and elites while zealots slap boss

[plucky flax]

Vet without ammo aura and purga psyker.

Oh wait the psyker switched to surge at the end.

[glossy ember]

based

hope he got carapace

[plucky flax]

Laspistol without ammo aura.

[quasi junco]

What’s wrong with purg Psyker?

The specials?

[hearty oak]

He doesn't know

[true vault]

Which Blaze Force Sword is better ? Deimos Mk IV or Illisi Mk V ?

[vast yew]

Yes

[true vault]

Okay

[vast yew]

Depends heavily on what you want from it tbh

[vast yew]

well then

[quasi junco]

No deflector…..ew

[vast yew]

those do be some fine swords sir

I think Maniacs would work better than Unarmored on the Illisi, as it will have 0 problems killing hordes regardless

and on the Deimos you 100% want Maniacs so you can one-tap Mutants with a Heavy 2

(I also would run Deflector over Slaughterer on the Deimos but that's personal preference)

Otherwise they should both perform pretty darn well

Which is better depends on if you want the Illisi to melt hordes while having decent Elite-killing power
Or the Deimos for stupidly high single target damage while still having decent horde clear

[true vault]

They do perform pretty well, but its either I want to mow down hordes or stab people like a kebab

[vast yew]

Yeah that's generally how it goes

for Fire Trauma and Purgatus I run Deimos, for Voidstrike and Surge I run Illisi. Dueling Sword Mk4 is another great option that fits on any build

[true vault]

But deimos Mk IV does better light attack dmg. But the special is kinda meh Since you stand still for a sec

[quasi junco]

Special is actually less dps than l1h2

[spice veldt]

you p much ignore the special on the deimos

[vast yew]

The Deimos special does not exist unless you're 1v1 with an Elite or want to spike damage on a boss while his shields are down

[spice veldt]

its l1 deals 2x dmg and h2 deals 2.5x dmg

[quasi junco]

But I use it on fast moving dogs/mutes that aren’t targeting me

[vast yew]

Push dogs

then stab

Mutants you can one-tap with the Heavy 2 (if you swap Unarmored to Maniacs)

[quasi junco]

Or use special on dogs that run by me

[vast yew]

Or at least you can; what does your Deimos say it does for damage on a Heavy 2 headshot to Maniacs

If it's at least 1067 you can one-shot them with 0 other buffs except Maniacs

[quasi junco]

Any1 know if void melee push can block dogs mid pounce?

[vast yew]

... you mean the staff bonk?

[quasi junco]

It’s a thrust for voidstrike

[zenith zealot]

If u can hit it

[vast yew]

the staff bonk can stagger crushers out of their overheads if you are brave enough

I am not brave enough

but it should work on dogs

[true vault]

I am, and I regret it.

[quasi junco]

On revolver zealot I would pistol whip them out of them air, was very satisfying

Hopefully I can do the same here

[zenith zealot]

Obscurus

[vast yew]

I kinda miss the Obscurus moveset sometimes

it's nostalgic

Anyways the staff bonk should work on dogs

it works on everything else

@true vault what does your Deimos do damage-wise against Maniacs on a Heavy2 headshot? You can check the numbers by inspecting the weapon, pressing "E", then clicking on the 2nd symbol under heavy attacks

[true vault]

sec. Team woke up the DH and things went...

[vast yew]

Great?

Wonderfully?

[true vault]

No

[vast yew]

Oh

😦

[true vault]

1 died, one just bailed

[vast yew]

yeah that sounds like PUBs

people leave all the time then complain they have no Plasteel

[plucky flax]

Damn I died. This might be a lost.

[vast yew]

Should've run a Wound Curio

[plucky flax]

1 guy died and left and the map rotation left so it's only 3.

I got the cool 666 though.

[quasi junco]

Does this mean no joiners? Even thru QP?

[true vault]

Deimos

[plucky flax]

Yeah.

Maybe they can join thoruhg quickplay.

But not a lot of people do quickplay auric.

[vast yew]

that looks like the light 1, you need to click the 2nd little star under "Heavy Attacks" at the top

that should give the Heavy 2 damage

[true vault]

sry

Heavy 2. Does 1053 on a weakspot

[vast yew]

1053
welp 14 damage short of being able to 1-tap Mutants with 0 other buffs

[plucky flax]

The zealot was impressed with me though.

[vast yew]

but I think... one sec

[red jacinth]

so close but so far melk

[true vault]

Slaughterer should take care of that tho

[vast yew]

if you have a stack of it yeah

you need 26% Damage, so even a single warp charge also works

(assuming you throw Maniacs on it)

[plucky flax]

Certified top 1% god psyker.

[vast yew]

Didn't dodge the overhead

oof

[plucky flax]

It was a sneaky crusher from behind.

He looked at me like this

[vast yew]

stealth crushers are a menace

yesterday I had the double-stealth Rager combo

swear they popped out of a wall

[storm star]

Ok now the game is trolling me

[plucky flax]

Context. Apparently the guy saw it and tried to ping it for me but couldn't.

[red jacinth]

whats needed?

[plucky flax]

Sneaky armoured ogryn.

[vast yew]

1067 lets you one-tap Mutants with a headshot with just 25% Damage perk

[red jacinth]

dammit

[vast yew]

If you want to know how much total damage increase you need, it's 4000/(3*Damage)

[plucky flax]

Ay yo it's redemption time

[vast yew]

Yeah so you'd need 1 Warp charge (or to run Damage vs. Specialists as the 2nd perk, though that's not ideal)

[red jacinth]

this is my roll (need to get uncanny)

[vast yew]

yeah Uncanny and you're cooking

uhh with only 20% power you'd need 2 warp charges I think

yeah total of 25.7% Damage

and Warp charges give 4

[plucky flax]

2 plasma vets this round. I can smell an ez dub.

[red jacinth]

i could just put manics to +25 (as i'm using deflector)

[vast yew]

monkey paw curls
Neither of them have the ammo aura

[plucky flax]

They both do pog

[vast yew]

yeah then you'd only need 1

[vast yew]

[red jacinth]

charged attack is a one hit right?

[vast yew]

oh charged attack is always a one-tap but you don't always want to do that as it takes a bit of time and locks you in the animation

[half iron]

flushed emoji

[red jacinth]

oki

[vast yew]

really though that Deimos is great; Uncanny and putting Maniacs to 25 and you're cooking

[red jacinth]

also, this my build i'm using it for, any suggestions? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9abf4d0c-bf06-4091-9f53-3bf1fc505406/trauma-staff-2

[brave fiber]

never used the Deimos, what are you one tapping and how?

[lyric burrow]

Was it an ez dub

Or did they do charged shot into horde

[vast yew]

Mutants with heavy2

[lyric burrow]

Im the head

Specifically

[vast yew]

Wildfire bad, also the staff is in between the 2 meta builds

Wildfire really bad because your only source of burn is PC

[red jacinth]

ig

[vivid mica]

wait, wildfire bad?

[silk hawk]

Also his butt, since its trauma xD

[vast yew]

Wildfire is really, really bad

[red jacinth]

suggestions for the staff?

[vast yew]

so the way it works is if something on fire dies, it will spread up to 4 stacks that were on the burning target to surrounding targets

but A: it splits them between targets, so 4 targets means they each get 1 stack

[vivid mica]

oh

[vast yew]

and it maxes at 4 targets

[vivid mica]

that is bad

[vast yew]

and B: targets can't get more stacks then the enemy that died had

[red jacinth]

so just swap it for this?

[vast yew]

yes, especially this is nearly the best damn talent on the Psyker tree

[harsh urchin]

there's two main ways to build trauma, fire trauma (crit focused) and rending flurry trauma (non-crit)

[vast yew]

But what this means is if you use Blazing Spirit and give everyone in a horde 3 stacks, then kill one of them

NOTHING spreads, because everything already has 3 stacks and the guy that died had 3

[harsh urchin]

you pick one and stick to it

[vast yew]

Rending Flurry is pretty much just worse than Fire Trauma but Fire Trauma has problems working unless it's on a godroll

[harsh urchin]

not true lol

[vast yew]

It's not much worse

it's like... pretty close

but fire clearing hordes is crazy

[willow hazel]

Rending flurry has less charge time

[vast yew]

okay lemme clarify: Rending Flurry does have things it does better than Fire

Fire I think wins out in the long run overall

[willow hazel]

The fire trauma isn't bad, but it caps at 6 stacks. So if you use Creeping Flames it does nothing

[vast yew]

it caps at 10, IIRC

[harsh urchin]

6

[willow hazel]

the force sword blazing spirit caps at 10

[harsh urchin]

it uses BS cap, which is 6

[red jacinth]

so nexus + blazing spirit?

[harsh urchin]

on trauma

[vast yew]

The BS cap on Force Sword is 10-12

depending on rank

[lyric burrow]

For the crit one yeah

Also +5% crit chance perk

[vast yew]

I thought, but could be wrong, that BS Trauma capped at 10

[lyric burrow]

Psure sword blazing spirit and staff one are different

[vast yew]

ah just looked it up and it's indeed 6

that does kill all the chaff at least

and means you can get to 12 with shriek

but little less useful vs. Elites