Builds for Shouty Bois

[obtuse mango]

Mine broke

I will fucking die if I attempted that

[zenith hollow]

bad

it does nothing perceivable

[proud stream]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1132591455060369479/1688061798640.gif

Why do they pad the tree with useless nodes??

[zenith hollow]

well, someone has to tell them they're useless eh

and that takes time

[proud stream]

Don't they play their design after implementation?

[zenith hollow]

I assume so

i don't know a lot about game desgin

but i do know about creative processes

and it's rare you ever knock it out of the park on your first go

like I come from a writing background

and my first draft is always total ass lol

that's why the editing process exists 🙂

[proud stream]

The thing is, there's a lot of good ideas. Like an aoe knockback, that would be cool.

[zenith hollow]

i'd ideally like it to work like Gromil Curse in VT2

give it a 20s cooldown have it be an AoE that can knock dogs off you/auto staggers everything

[silk bolt]

That would be adequate

Not an auto pick but it would be a “nice” defensive choice

[zenith hollow]

yeah

[smoky seal]

it is a good idea to build this class for middle tree?

i just started to play as zeolot yesterday and i have no idea how to build it

[zenith hollow]

Middle tree is definitely going to be the safest/easiest to learn with

and very strong in its own right

I would go left or right once you get past prayer though

[sullen heron]

need a good martydom build

[midnight fulcrum]

This is the core martyrdom build from which to branch out from.

If taking a knife or tactical axe, you can go down the Invocation of Death AND Scouge+Enduring faith to prop up your crit rate and spam chastise on a very fast cooldown using their built in crit chance.

For other weapons like caxe, heavy sword, crusher, and thunder hammer you can pick up additional items like Shield of Contempt, Good Balance, They Wraith Be Swift, and Vicious Offering.

Thy Wraith Be Swift prevents stunning from ranged attacks. Its worth taking on these slower weapons. Knife/Tac Axe have more mobility so its not as needed and you make up for it with say more spammability in Fury of the Faithful.

As for Curios, you generally want to pick up +1 wound on every curio, then go for tougnness, hp, and gunner resist for generally highest value. Mix and match as you want for personal taste.

[proud stream]

^

[analog slate]

after playing that martyr for awhile i really miss the CDR from crits

[limber prairie]

yeah its such a comfy node

[proud stream]

you can get it quite easily with the build above, a crit claw / a taxe and scourge

[nocturne lichen]

evis zealot, there are notes at bottom to cover some possible questions or ideas : )

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ab2ed34-a25a-4c1c-bda0-9da968622f81/zoe-evis-build

[neon fog]

If you're a gigachad you go loner shroudfield martyrdom and solo the map. :>

[sullen heron]

wdym

[obtuse mango]

https://youtu.be/HfkXjESn5YY?si=87fK6JeuVZx0KJNu

[charred ridge]

would like input on this as a martyr build that incorporates chorus

w/ caxe and revolver

or evis

[midnight fulcrum]

Since you are using a slow/heavier weapon I think this build is perfectly fine. If you were going to be using something a little more nimble I'd say you could go for the backstab passive to lower the CDR. Removing 12sec chunks is very handy. However, it would require you to move 2 points. Possibly from 7.5% on melee kills and removing the extra dmg for 10sec after ult to get it back. The main value out of chorus is really just the stun and overhealth to be honest.

However, its a bit of a pain to get backstab in my opinion to proc on something like caxe and evis sinc eyou generally just kill everything anyway. While you might get some back stab CDR on occasion, its something I always find I have to actively think about trying to find situations for it.

[pure quartz]

Apparently personal opinions can be considered gigachad now

I'm a chud

[neon fog]

Build at the start. You use stealth to do objectives cos teammates will rarely help. Loner let you go on solo incursions.
https://youtu.be/TBkihLqrrwc

[merry palm]

SPEED zealot

[gloomy forum]

the sprint efficiency is unnesecary though cause knife barely uses stamina on sprint

[rich aurora]

Going to repost this here. Have this funky/fun crit crusher tree I have been enjoying with Kant shotty, was wondering if there are any notable nodes I should be trying to grab/am not currently grabbing?

Shield of Contempt and Second wind both sound really tempting, but not sure on best things to drop for them. Faithful frency probably for shield of contempt, but not sure on second wind

I guess duelist maybe for second wind? But Duelist seems like way too good of an amount of damage bonus not to take on a crit build, especially with how much weakpoint damage crusher does as well

Maybe good balance?

Since I potentially have a lot of good DR sources from other things?

@mortal thicket hep

[mortal thicket]

Worst person to ask ngl, I've spent the least time on zealot, as any time I play it I feel like a less effective ogryn.

[opal rune]

glass cannon marty
evis with shred and savage sweep, wound curios, gunner resist, revive speed, toughness, the point of this build is to stay at wound 1/2 for marty stacks, you do not need defenses, you are tanking your hp asap and staying there for the entire run, use any prio target guns

sacrificing defense for as much damage and utility as i can,
anoint in blood, good for using chastise and then magdumping into crushers or bosses point blank
restoring faith will keep you longer in wound 1/2 despite taking chip damage
immolation grenade, for when your team is getting overwhelmed, or you want to lay back and relax, or both
twbs, fuck stagger
duellist, ideally you're always dodging and not getting hit
holy rev for when you inevitably lose concentration, fuck up, and die, but you survive
invocation of death, paired with an evis with shred 4, you will always have a dash, aoe stagger, or toughness regen for when you need it, but unfortunately, not enough crit cdr to make you immortal,
but we don't want absolute survivability, we want just want enough survivability so we can deal as much melee damage as possible

melee rotation, this is all assuming that you have 5/6 stacks of marty
push attack -> l2 for safe horde clearing, block and block push is 360 degrees, it will keep you safe, both attacks are horizontal sweeps, and with marty stacks, good dps
h1 -> l2 if you're confident, marty + chastise will give you the attack speed that you need, when you're winding up a heavy, as soon as the evis goes off screen, you can let go of left click
light spam for single target dps, and i do mean single target, if i see any of you doing overheads while in the middle of a horde, i'm reporting you as warptouched to the inquisition
#zealot-class message

turn on captions, i explain there how to use this glass cannon build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjL70iu-Frg

[solid dust]

What keystone is better for the heavy sword, Martyr, Piety, or Momentum?

[analog slate]

All are fine, momentum is the most generalist, piety is mainly for CDR,

martyr is really good, but since Hsword doesn't do well against crushers and maulers, you will need to depend on your ranged option which doesn't benefit from Marty (I think)

[neon fog]

Mod won't pin my loner stealth build. Stop loner hate.

[royal orbit]

I've been refining my tank/support zealot build for a while now, and i love it

I run 3 x 26% health curios, and you basically always get your ult as soon as you take damage thanks to Martyr's purpose and the million damage resistance you get from Bleed for the emperor and shield of contempt

Evisc does the job most of the time, but when you're overwhelmed or have to deal with ogryns, you can double blast your screen with the bolter thanks to the reload talent : If you also have momentum stacks up, it really clean up everything in seconds

You don't get a lot of ways to recover toughness outside of ult, but because you get it back so often it's never a waste to use it just to get back to full : You feel extremely safe and don't have to sweat at all to get through the hardest missions

[opal rune]

thread needs an actual loner stealth build or people will keep building it wrong

[green gale]

just reposting this here since it's more appropriate, but how should I go about with a momentum crusher build, should I dive into top left and right for second wind and EWEW? go for TWBS?

[tawdry dragon]

bet thanks for the invite

[neon fog]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9ab91510-e172-4954-87bf-fbe0385e57dd
Gameplay videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l62myI2Zm-8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlnyrBOzuGA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TBkihLqrrwc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc6AfmbTLQ0
Use whatever melee and range weapon you want. I like antax combat axe best (maniac + flak / BM +headtaker) and columbus infantry gun is the most op universal range weapon atm.

[midnight fulcrum]

I think I can modify this for CDR as well for like a tax axe. Hmm...not really bothered messing with shroud too much.

I like this

[neon fog]

Do as you like me fren.

[zenith pike]

why a combat axe? whats its strengths?

[analog birch]

Its strengths are being fast, mobile, doing a ton of damage to all target types, having loads of cleave with Bromentum, and having a very simple moveset. Its weaknesses are none.

[green gale]

may I ask what UI mods you're using in the videos?

[neon fog]

This. Can deal with all situations. Good horde clear good elite damage decent monster damage. Also if has 5 dodges.

@green gale I use all the ui mods. Most noticeable are crosshair hud, custom hud, numeric ui, hud tweaker.

[midnight fulcrum]

The only annoying thing about it. The bloody slow down on light attacks.

[neon fog]

True but there are much worse slow down weapons like crusher or thunder hammer.

[proud stream]

That's new?

I don't remember the caxes being too slow

[zenith pike]

whats the horde clear combo with the axe?

[proud stream]

Spam m1

Just target heads

Do a push attack from time to time to have a bit of breathing room

There's no Light something Heavy something cancel

[zenith pike]

i see

[proud stream]

Assuming we talk about Antax and Rashad. Achlys is horizontal heavies

The only oddity is that maniac DMG on light attack is better than heavy

[zenith pike]

what would you change about this axe?

the cleave isnt great but its the best ive got

[proud stream]

Well it's bricked

Because you want brutal momentum and a power blessing

Like headtaker or decimator

I mean. you can salvage it

Thunderous to brutal momentum

Melee critical chance to maniac or flak

The WP DMG will go with the WP DMG on brutal momentum so it's not entirely lost

You don't care about the cleave target modifier, because you use brutal momentum

Headtaker 2 is 20% power at max stack, tier 4 is 25... So well that'll do in the meantime

This how you can salvage your axe until you find better or decide you don't like it

[zenith pike]

i dont even have those blessings aha

hit 30 not long ago

[proud stream]

You'll got them

You can find bm 2 in store

And all combat axe share blessings

[neon fog]

Aye bm tier is not super important. Obviously t4 with 15% weakspot damage is nicer than t3 but the most important feature is the cleave.

[zenith pike]

and if i want to fish for that blessing, is there something i can do?

other than hope it shows on store?

[proud stream]

Yes. BM2 and ht2 will go a long way

[neon fog]

You can buy some grey axes and upgrade to blue.

[proud stream]

Yep. Don't go further if you do not have a good perk and a good blessing on a blue

[zenith pike]

thanks :)

any other good weps? i've been really enjoying the crusher but its boss dmg is very meh

[proud stream]

Do you have unyielding and skull crusher on it?

Skull crusher is mandatory blessing and you need a high output modifier too for the special

Heavy sword is excellent, all variants with rampage headtaker and on the 9 headtaker deathblow

I like the claw in a martyrdom build too because you can parrykill a lot

Otherwise, Crucis hammer

https://youtu.be/HfkXjESn5YY?si=87fK6JeuVZx0KJNu

[zenith pike]

that info is what ive been missing i had no idea how to pair shit

thats what i have

not great

[proud stream]

At least you have skullcrusher4

[zenith pike]

it still CCs almost everything

[proud stream]

Just change the perks to flak maniac t4 or whatever + unyielding

If you want more boss DMG.

When you get a better crusher you can put skullcrusher4 ont it

[zenith pike]

cool thanks :)

[neon fog]

Add a new video example with kantrael shotgun as range weapon. One can even use vraks 3 or 7 headhunter autogun too but imo it's not as good without free crit chance from piety and the columbus infantry is just too good right now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc6AfmbTLQ0

[zenith hollow]

It's been a long time since I picked up either Hammer

what's the low down on them these days

[pure quartz]

Both Crucis and Ironhelm are great to use now. Both can 1 shot bosses with the right build.

[zenith hollow]

what perks/blessings/stats do I want?

[pure quartz]

for Perks you want Unyielding and Flak/Elites. Im leaning more towards Flak because it helps with dealing with Flak mobs and its cleave damage.

main blessing would be Thrust and Headtaker/Slaughterer.

[zenith hollow]

okay, need to update my hammer

pain

[pure quartz]

pain

gotta get on that grind

[zenith hollow]

which hammer is preferred these days

[pure quartz]

The general zealot-class chat preferred hammer is the Crucis thanks to higher special single target damage. Compared to the Ironhelm that has a lower special damage, but with the upside of being able to cleave through chaff to hit an Elite/Special thats among them.

Honestly. The Ironhelm's lower special damage doesnt really matter in actual gameplay since youre gonna have slaught or headtaker stacks up a lot of the time anyways. Both hammers are good. And its really what you prefer to use. I personally have been running the Ironhelm a lot now after using the Crucis for so long.

[zenith hollow]

no one Running Skullcrusher?

seems like a better blessing than both Slaughterer and Headtaker at 40%

[pure quartz]

Thing is, Skullcrusher only works when enemies are in their staggered animation. Having Skullcrusher on a Hammer out of necessity, depending on your perspective. It's either a bricked or usable weapon.

[obtuse mango]

Skullcrusher absolutely blows

[pure quartz]

And with how much better power blessings are currently in the game. Theres not a lot of justification to use Skullcrusher, unless theres no other damage blessing available in its blessing pool.

[zenith hollow]

Well 6 stacks of martyrdom and slaughterer/Thrust pretty much annihilates everything lol

[pure quartz]

its so fucking fun 1 shotting stuff with it

[noble aspen]

wha why'd I get pinged in here

[pure quartz]

Shes drunk lmao

[midnight fulcrum]

Logs?

[noble aspen]

ah I seeeeee

[solid dust]

Do y'all do run +%Crit chance on the Heavy sword ? Or both +Flak +Maniac ?

[noble aspen]

the latter

crit chance isn't worth it on a perk slot

there's almost no weapons where it is

[rich aurora]

Only place it reasonably is, is for weapons with good crit chains?

[winter oak]

Hey guys whats the best talent set up for rashad/bolter combo if i want heavy damage output?

[last hearth]

anyone got a sexy rashad?

[proud stream]

yes

[proud stream]

martyrdom or momentum build with all the nodes giving you more dmg

[neon fog]

Infested

[neon fog]

And antax

I prefer antax for the much better push attack and special attack.

[winter oak]

thank you

[proud stream]

It's for doggies. But I use a flak carapace antax with headtaker now

[winter oak]

any here that has made a martyrdom build yet?

also is antax better or is it really personal preference?

[proud stream]

There's a martyrdom build listed above with chastise.

You can also take a look at the martyrdom stealth build made by @neon fog

[winter oak]

thank you il have to scroll up xD

[proud stream]

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[winter oak]

what do you prefer btw?

[proud stream]

Antax

[winter oak]

appreciate ❤️

[proud stream]

I prefer the special and the push attack

[winter oak]

il take a look thank you

[proud stream]

Rashad is faster on heavies but... Yeah I used mostly Antax so I just don't have to think to use it

#1158835247685836853 message

[winter oak]

XD so what is the attack pattern on antax? just light attacks? and push attacks in hordes?

[proud stream]

Core martyrdom with chastise

Light attacks on everything and maniacs

Heavy on unyielding and carapace

[zenith hollow]

Interesting people prefer the Antax

feels much slower to me than the Rashad

[proud stream]

With martyrdom or momentum you doesn't feel it tbh

[winter oak]

thank you keet

[zenith hollow]

yeah I don't use it in those builds tbh

pretty much only using Combat Axe for Shred/Piety these days

I don't play a lot of Momentum cause I find it a bit dull playstyle wise

Martyrdom is great fun but if I'm playing that I'll go with a 2h

[proud stream]

I use it with a taxe or a dclaw 😄

[winter oak]

antax mk V combat axe right?

[zenith hollow]

yeah Piety is Chainsword/Caxe/DClaw/Knife for me, and Martyrdom is Crusher/Hammer. Evis I use in both

Momentum feels like it's set up for guns more than anything else. The one build I had that I enjoyed with it was Columnus V with Stripped Down

[neon fog]

Rashad doesn't have faster light attack, only heavy.

[zenith hollow]

it has the finesse stat as well

which gives attack speed

[winter oak]

have not been lucky on getting brutal momentum

[proud stream]

Don't worry you'll find it fast enough

It's quite common

[neon fog]

Yeah but that finesse stat only increases the heavy speed.

It does slightly more headshot damage tho thanks to finesse.

[proud stream]

The tier is not that important tbh. It only affects WP dmg

[neon fog]

But a high damage antax with 5 stacks of headtaker and martyrdom stacks also kill most thing in 1 headshot.

So that extra damage doesn't count for all that much, and the super fast push attack on antax for rager is quite helpful.

[winter oak]

what weapon goes well it that build with antax?

range sorry

[neon fog]

Whatever you want to use. Infantry autogun is the strongest range option atm.

Columnus variant.

[zenith hollow]

the 2 strongest weapons for Zealot range atm are Revolver and Columnus IAG

[neon fog]

But shotgun works. Autopistol works. Or braced autogun.

[zenith hollow]

cause they're quite blatantly OP atm

[neon fog]

Or revolver too. Build is melee focus. So range is for specials. Whatever works best for you against specials.

[zenith hollow]

you could use an S tier weapon

or you could run Lawbringer with Flechette/Manstopper and enjoy the jank it brings

WOULD NOT RECOMMEND IN MARTYRDOM 😛

real talk though, if you wanna snipe specials, run Revolver. If you want a great all around option that gives you incredibly safe dives, run a Brauto or an IAG with Stripped Down

[pure quartz]

This is such a fun combo to use

[zenith hollow]

i love it man

[pure quartz]

makes the special rounds shine

[zenith hollow]

playing Piety and this with Sttealth

[pure quartz]

I have been enjoying a lot of Stealth too. Especially with the Hammer

[zenith hollow]

send me ur one bonk solves all build if u don;'t mind?

i haven't tried to make that one yet

[pure quartz]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a73e2ce-9bb2-4218-85e4-47a48e839f4c/crucis-fury-build?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button This is what I run for my main Hammer loadout.

I switched over for Ironhelm but the perks and blessings setup remains identical

I have a stealth version though hold up

I love both Second Wind and Loner

[zenith hollow]

Second Wind is fucking GOATed

i love playing with it

such a shame duelist is so far away on the other side of the tree

[winter oak]

ty

stats on infantry autogun? damage ammo and stopping power?

[neon fog]

Yeah. Some people like stability but it doesn't really do much for me.

[zenith hollow]

ammo doesn't matter it has amazing ammo capacity either way

I always make sure i have stability damage and stopping power as close to 80 as possible

can't be fucked dealing with spread and sway

[silk bolt]

RNG manipulation through being manipulated by RNG item acquisition

[zenith hollow]

lol

[silk bolt]

I do like high stability, though

[proud stream]

I like high mobility tbh

[silk bolt]

Less variation is good

[proud stream]

My stripped down brauto has like 80. It's such a fun diving tool

[zenith hollow]

this is my IAG on my Zealot, it's alright for exactly Stripped Down/Momentum

also @neon fog

top right: rashad 0 finesse

bottom right: Antax

Bottome left: Rashad 80 finesse

you can see that the Rashad's animations are faster on the lights than the Antax

it's pretty negligible but finesse affects all the attcks

also check out this gross RNG I just lucked out on

so close to being good, fuck u melk

[neon fog]

Very negligible with light attacks. I know heavy attacks are much faster. But speaking purely on lights spam you wouldn't feel the difference.
Low finesse rashad light is sad tho

Also I prefer decimator pre 13. Can get multiple stacks with each swing and only need 5 stacks for 50% power.

I used to run decimator exclusively but has switched to headtaker since 13.

[zenith hollow]

yeah Decimator dropped off a bit

still a good blessing though when you don't have the luxury of Choice.

[zenith pike]

how good is the chainsword?

i like abusing crit for CDR on abilities

looking for a nice weapon that can do that but also hit carapace/clean hordes

[zenith hollow]

very good

it's a jack of all trades weapon that is good at everything

good mobility, good horde/cc, good single target

the special attack is a bit risky/gimmicky but that'll get much better soon

it's carapace damage isn't great though

[zenith pike]

its getting buffed?

[zenith hollow]

who's to say

I think at the minute the chain weapons special is just problematic since it gets you killed

so i wouldn't be surprised if that was addressed at some point

[opal rune]

it's a special of the weapon, the restrictions won't be changed, just like how thammers charge up takes seconds to kick in

if you use chastise you can one shot crushers

if you have momentum or 4 stacks of marty you can one shot bulwarks and reapers with a headshot rev

[zenith hollow]

I guess we'll see

[outer jasper]

Do any of you guys have a good build for the antax axe ? I'm still new to the game and I'm having difficulties making something good by myself

[zenith hollow]

it will work in any build because it's so good. a better question would be, what kind of playstyle do you favour?

or, which of the 3 combat abilities are you keen to do a build with?

[outer jasper]

Normally I use the "dash" one on my builds I find the invisibility one fun to play with the knife but I still like the most, didn't really play around the middle perk tree much yet

[zenith hollow]

I'm literally about to play this:

no idea if it's "good" - these days I tend to categorise builds in terms of ease of use and how high the ceiling on them is

like I can throw a bunch of powerful stuff together that's easy to play and know it will be good, may not be the most fun

then you have stuff like the above that misses some of the most powerful stuff to commit to a certian playstyle

but it's a playstyle i feel comfortable playing and know how to squeeze

an example of a more stereotypical build

you really can make anything work with the Antax

[neon fog]

Check my post here for stealth loner martyrdom combat axe build. #1158835247685836853 message

[zenith hollow]

this build is fucking sick

all the dodge stuff + quickness is so good

sprinting with Columnus regens all your toughness under fire XD

really good boss damage as well, murders disablers with knives. a real breath of fresh air

[winter oak]

@neon fog whats the point of the stealth loner build if you were to sum it up? Like whats it good for

Imma try it, just want to know what my job is as a stealh class

[neon fog]

Good overall can deal with any situation and excel in doing objectives utilising stealth.

[winter oak]

Will definitely check it out thank you

[winter oak]

stupid question what mod give enemy health bars?

[neon fog]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/16

[winter oak]

man is literally my wiki

xD

chatgpt? no being selfish in war!

[opal rune]

that wasn't selfish of you

[neon fog]

[proud stream]

I made 1 stripped down columnus with +2 stamina for my momentum zealot and my melee vet. It is glorious.

Stripped down brauto too.

[inland harbor]

should I aim for any talents in the tree in particular if I'm going for a crusher build?

[analog slate]

Ew

[neon fog]

[zenith hollow]

Stripped Down is so good on Zealot

[rich aurora]

Twbs is goated, and helps with some of the longer swings

Most of the on dodge nodes feel really good with the crusher as well

Though stuff like duelist really need you to be playing a Crit build to be great

[winter oak]

so for marthyn to work i need to be low hp?

[zenith hollow]

low hp missing wounds

playing a funny stealth axe build with all the dodge stuff and quickness and I'm really liking it

[winter oak]

link? xD

[winter oak]

or is it this?

[zenith hollow]

that one

very fun

the dodges are insane thanks to Inexorable Judgement's hidden stats, and you get so many perks to dodging

on top of that activating stripped down also counts as a dodge

so you're super mobile, super dodge, very killy with combat axe and stealth for burst damage backstabs

[winter oak]

might have to check it out

sadly not so lucky on the blessings

[zenith hollow]

lot of moving parts but it's great when u wrap ur head around it

[zenith hollow]

I feel man. fuck this games crafting system

[winter oak]

honestly

[winter oak]

so basically i dodge alot and get stats because of it?

[zenith hollow]

yeah pretty much

IJ makes your dodges bigger and faster

then you dodge to get:

• toughness
• more accuracy on your gun
• damage resistance
• weakspot and critical hit power (<- this last one is siiiick for lopping off heads with Antax)

your sprinting counts as a dodge when u initiate it thanks to Stripped Down

so you can sprint slide through gun fire to get toughness back, or just regular sprint to ignore the gunfire

and then on top of all that you have stealth and sprint speed to make you even more mobile

[winter oak]

that sounds sick ngl

imma have a worse version since i dont have stirpped down 😦

[zenith hollow]

there's some positional consideration as well. you're always doing increased damage when flanking (180 degrees behind with ranged) or backstabbing (90 degrees behind with melee)

so using your big super dodge to quickly get behind enemies for the damage is really nice as well

[zenith hollow]

you could run a very similar build if you have it on Brauto?

iirc Brauto also gets stripped down

and like, it's still a really strong weapon

[winter oak]

oh dear ok so dodge behind them then

[zenith hollow]

if you can yeah

it's a very mobile and movement orientated build so it's not hard to do

but it's definitely a playstyle adjustment if you're used to Martyrdom/facetank builds

[winter oak]

it is a bit, but i enjoy being fast and mobile. Just running past cutting off heads

[zenith hollow]

same 😄

[zenith pike]

the combat axe is defintely the weapon i think is the most well rounded

at least thats how it feels

[zenith hollow]

it's a simple weapon, and very powerful

making it an easy S tier 😛

[winter oak]

the antax?

[zenith hollow]

yeah

Rashad is S as well

u trade a worse special for faster overheads

Antax has a slightly better push attack as well

[woeful dove]

for antax
flak + maniac for perks
bm and headtaker for blessings are bis right?

[proud stream]

👍 \

[zenith hollow]

Yeah pretty much. Decimator is fine too if you're playing at difficulties where enemy density is very high

[winter oak]

is headtaker 2 any good?

dude there is a really good antax and i dont have the contract money 😦

[zenith hollow]

Fuck that's savage

Can you get it in a day?

Or not possible?

[winter oak]

not possible 😦

am upset

[zenith hollow]

That's rough man

If it makes you feel any better

It's all random, another will come along

[winter oak]

yeah true, just wanted a good antax for once since my luck sucks xD

anyone here run a crit build?

[zenith hollow]

many

[analog birch]

Make a new character if you have a free slot

Getting to level 11 (or whatever it is) and finishing a set of contracts should be doable in five solid hours if you reroll the most time consuming ones

[winter oak]

you have a build for one ? xD

[winter oak]

that is fair i saw this message too late :(((((( good idea tho

[green gale]

what weapon pairs best with the flamer?

[proud stream]

i like the knife for mobility

[obtuse mango]

Thammer is a strong pairing

[midnight fulcrum]

There is different tech you can do. The flamer has a relatively long range that is rather deceiving because of how slow the flame travels, but it does tend tos tagger stuff far out. With that in mind, you can use the flamer to puff some enemies in a long row with say 1-2 ammo spent, then swap weapons and rush them down as the flame travels out. A high mobility weapon (like knife, devil sword, chain sword, etc.) can help get that distance more quickly on top of having a faster weapon speed to get first strike in or shove to keep enemies locked down.

Otherwise, the stagger weapons work out because you can clear space around you with say a shove -> heavy or a couple of swings to then more freely weapon swap to start charging up your flamethrower to use it.

[static elk]

what is this place

[dapper cradle]

coins are shared between characters?

[sharp sleet]

that's been a thing since patch 13

yes.

[zenith hollow]

Knife is a very popular one, although I don't like it myself

Next patch, I will be running a Chain Axe flamer build with the new Chain Axe

historically I've had a lot of fun and success with a flamer/evis build with prayer, fire nades and cooldown crits

very support/team orientated

[zenith hollow]

here it is https://youtu.be/1CNG47xmYts

[opal rune]

wtf is this build lmao

[zenith hollow]

good fun

give it a try

[opal rune]

blazing piety with RW gives 25% crit
shred gives 20% crit
zealot has 5% crit base
50% crit is enough to crunch down that 60 relic cooldown to roughly 10 seconds

[zenith hollow]

then swap out Scourge, i say that those 2 points are flex

[opal rune]

he goes down to beacon of purity, arguably the worse aura that zealot has and grabs scourge

all the while sacrificing twbs on an evis build

[zenith hollow]

Again, if you watch the video (hi, btw), I say that the final 4 points are flex and you can do what you want, while also giving examples

I've played Evis with and Without TWBS

and the poor man's version, Punishment

and like, I'm not here saying this is the greatest build of all time, it's just one I've played a lot of and have a high success rate with in PUGs

[opal rune]

arguably you should have 6 points by the end

you already have relic

you don't need shield of contempt

[zenith hollow]

you don't need anything, its about what you are trying to do with a concept

Also

this build was patch 13

when Shield protected allies

so that + prayer made your team very durable which, funnily enough, works well with pick up groups that have a fairly high chance to wipe

[opal rune]

i keep forgetting that shitters in pugs never bring a single wound curio so when they eat shit from poxbursters or poxwalkers, they're immediately on their last wound and die

[zenith hollow]

for patch 15, I'd probably run something like this:
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ac2d584-afb4-428b-8faa-df669c7644af/retributor-zealot
or I'd take out TWBS package and run duelist/health/the damage upgrade node on prayer. Depending on how confident you're feeling with Punishment as your only stun resist.

[opal rune]

you can drop righteous warrior to get 40% crit total while still having potentially being able to reduce relic's cooldown down to 14 seconds https://streamable.com/odkfx1 https://streamable.com/6ykudw https://streamable.com/p3uz2i

[zenith hollow]

yo when did this get buffed from 15%

that's actually pretty damn good now

especially when you can cycle it every 14 seconds

or 10 😛

[zenith hollow]

that's a nice version

I like that#

[opal rune]

have you even tested your build just to check how much crit cdr you're even getting

waste of points on righteous warrior, backstabber, and scourge
or not if 4 seconds is huge

ecclesiarche's call or holy rev

does anyone even need until death if they have relic, fire nade, and a flamer

[zenith hollow]

ofc

and generally speaking the more crit the more consistently your prayer cools down faster

[opal rune]

the less enemies there are the less faster you'll need relic back

the more enemies there are the more crit cdr you'll get per swing

[zenith hollow]

its kind of an all roads lead to rome situation isn't it. there's always going to be enemies at the densities Auric Maelstrom is presenting atm. so you're always gonna wanna be swing as much as possible to cool down the thing faster to boost your team to kill more enemies to proc crit more etc ad nauseum

Darktide is won or lost based on how quickly your team can output dps and not die in high enemy situations

if you kill too slowly you're gonna wipe

[next vine]

Spamming fury constantly with endless crits seems to work really well tbh

So I am definitely in team “kill harder to live longer”

[opal rune]

chastise doesn't give as much damage as you think it does

it keeps you alive because of the aoe stagger and the 50% toughness on command

you're barely killing harder with just crit

[silk bolt]

Yes, but, you also get to swing faster while its effect is active

[opal rune]

if you really want a kill harder to live longer then start using martyr, pop fire barrels at the start of the run, tank your hp down to wound 1/2 and stay at that hp level for the rest of the run

#1158835247685836853 message

and actually kill harder

instead of just having placebo from chastise

[zenith hollow]

many ways to play the game my dude. that's the fun of it. Martyrdom is obviously very strong but when you've played a game for literally thousands of hours it's fun to mix things up and try things

case in point, ChocoB

[zenith hollow]

fun game. that map with those modifiers. playing the build discussed above, without TWBS. Hilariously there was a second Zealot in the game running the exact same build as me. other 2 players were an HB Vet and Shield/Assail/Revolver Psyker

was hilarious. Felt like the party permanently had gold toughness and 20% extra damage. 2 flamers and 5 fire grenades apiece lovely on Consignment yard

1 death, in total, right at the end where the poor vet got yeeted into the abyss by a plogryn

[next vine]

I don’t think it gives any bonus damage, I think it gives me more crit, swing speed and toughness. And constantly spamming myself up to max toughness while aoe staggering is very nice. Especially when I can clip into martyr as a nice lil bonus

[opal rune]

chastise first strike has crit damage, but isn't counted for crit cdr, unless your own crit chance rolls a crit on that strike
timing chastise spam on h1 will increase your dps

[vocal belfry]

Are you sure about this? Repeated testing in the psykhanium plus a full match of using chastise with a cleave to refund most of its cooldown has worked every time for me

[sharp sleet]

it is counted for crit cdr. this is just wrong.

[zenith hollow]

It's a critical hit + extra damage from the ability + 10% attack speed for 10s + 50% toughness

[opal rune]

holy shit they fixed it

FATSHARK FIXED IT

fuck

#zealot-class message

it wasn't even bugged in the first place

i believed some runaway comment saying otherwise and i kept believing it until now

[atomic pond]

imagine running bleed blessings on knife when instead you could do this (missed crit on 4th hit even)

[limber prairie]

uncanny strike is great

can't wait till executor is fixed

[zenith hollow]

probs won't have to wait too long

[proud stream]

probs tonight maybe?

[limber prairie]

I hope so

its been many hotfixes where it hasn't been fixed

despite being acknowledged as a known bug on the forumns

[limber prairie]

Is any of the new stuff like

Good ?

[obtuse mango]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046913589614747719/1181634820149887178/HIGH_NOON_MF.mp4?ex=6581c62e&is=656f512e&hm=975e11d93d0ab54a1b6318905d2826519abe98d3a3f8530051e6a3b43050e3ec&

[limber prairie]

Excellent

[obtuse mango]

At worst a sidegrade, at best they are broken as fuck

[limber prairie]

Now to dump 500k or more dockets

I'm glad I got hand cannon 4

Do they share blessing ?

[obtuse mango]

Yes

same family

[limber prairie]

Excellent

Is new knife less disappointment?

[obtuse mango]

New evis is single target focussed will kill crusher in 1 revved heavy with no buffs

[limber prairie]

Oh that's based

[obtuse mango]

3shots a boss

compensate by having very poor horde clear

4 target damage cap only

[limber prairie]

Aren't it's lights vanguard ? Or did I read notes wrong

[obtuse mango]

Lights are horizontal but do like no damage

and are VERY slow

You'll have to play it to feel it

[limber prairie]

Nod nod

[obtuse mango]

All of the power is in the vertical heavies

[limber prairie]

I like more ways to deal with crushers

Maybe new evis will use

Cleave blessing + rampage

Just to patch up hordes

I'm used to doing Auric damnation with knife

So I'm sure 4 target cap evis will be fine

[obtuse mango]

Rampage + bloodthirsty

[limber prairie]

Yeah bloodthirsty
Forgor the name

If it's single target is that strong blessings don't need to jack up single target

Mind sharing your talents for it ?

[obtuse mango]

probably martyrdom to make up fot atk speed loss

i have not played it in a game yet

[limber prairie]

Fair enough

I just like a base template to modify

Also, does surgical work on the braced revolver ?

Or is it like, not good

And I should use crucian roulette ?

[obtuse mango]

Speedload sustained fire is what i've seen

[limber prairie]

Sustained...over hand cannon ?????

Also doesn't it have a speedloader reload

Making the reload speed less useful

[obtuse mango]

i have yet to play it myself

handcannon probably still BIS

[atomic pond]

this is the vet tree in question

for that video

[obtuse mango]

thanks sah

[limber prairie]

Thank ye

[atomic pond]

doesnt seem like mine can oneshot even with 5 martyrdom stacks

although it has rampage and shred blessings

ofc thats without crit,

if you crit (which shred helps) it onetaps

[limber prairie]

I wonder if achlys 8 axe has ap urpose now

since it does 200% to unyielding on heavy

and 100% to maniac

"Fixed issue where the 'Executioner' blessing would reset when not intended."

knife meta fixed

[winter oak]

this is probably a very vague question..... what would yall suggest is the best zealot build atm?

damage wise

[solid dust]

It really depends, there is not a single build that can deal the most damage to all enemy types, there's monstro/carapace focused, horde focused, and so on.

But also, Martyrdom, probably.

[winter oak]

and with the new update, what weapons are meta now? Is the new knife replacing knife builds now?

[winter oak]

isnt bleed a good build?

[solid dust]

It is. But as I said 'best' isn't a thing for all situations, you have certain weapons and builds that are best at specific things A.k.a horde-clear, dealing with specials, dealing with Monstrosities, and so on.

[winter oak]

thats fair, lets say i want to horde clear and monst damage.. What would you suggest for that?

[opal rune]

you need bloodthirsty + carapace

[sharp sleet]

Bleed is only an ok build

[winter oak]

so you would put other build above it?

[sharp sleet]

I’d rather see a knifer kill stuff in a few hits than me having to see them be a spastic on 8 crushers and have to wait for them to die from booboos

[sharp sleet]

I would put the rending build that can kill crushers in about 2-3 heavy hits on weakspot over bleed yes

[winter oak]

XD

[sharp sleet]

If you really do want bleed
For the love of god get the crit one

[solid dust]

For Zealot the thing that deletes monstrosities and turns them into a slighly incovenience is the Thunderhammer, but it's pretty Meh on Hordeclear

While the Eviscerator(The old one, I haven't tested the new one) is pretty good at horde clear, and deal well with bosses with Bloodthirsty blessing.

Martyrdom is still probably the most damage you can get out of Zealot

[winter oak]

i want high damage, doesnt have to be bleed. Just something that feels strong

i tried support zealot, wasnt really my playstyle

[solid dust]

Because of the Nature of the game, a.k.a cooperative and not competitive, it's hard to measure stuff

Good feels good
Bad feels bad
But 'better' and 'best' are hard to evaluate

[winter oak]

might have to go for martyrdom based build

ok lets say martyrdom build, what weapons would you personally take with it?

[solid dust]

Eviscerator, Thunderhammer, Crusher for melee

Revolvers, Boltgun or Kantrael for Ranged

[winter oak]

have you tried the new revolver?

[solid dust]

Nope

[winter oak]

never seen someone suggest crusher pretty interesting

thank you, il have to go take a look

[winter oak]

kantrael shotty or autogun?

[solid dust]

Shotty! Fire shotty

[winter oak]

Fire? what

im still too new to this shit

that sound sick

[winter oak]

need any blessings for the fire or is that just base?

[solid dust]

Uhhhh I just go with fullbore + no respite for maximum power, but I heard some people go with Flechette and something something critical.

The Fire is the special ammo, it's incendiary shells

[winter oak]

Might be a stupid question, how do i use the special ammo 💀

[winter oak]

thank you, will check it out

[solid dust]

It its the 'special action' for weapons

[winter oak]

i do thank you for that ❤️

[limber prairie]

m4 by default

[neon fog]

Martyrdom combat axe with bm.

[atomic pond]

is bloodthirsty even worth wasting possible rampage or something else

i mean sure its fun but

not sure how good that actually is

[opal rune]

mk15 evis with carapace + bloodthirsty can one shot crushers
#zealot-class message
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1181614755518095400/Warhammer_40000__Darktide_2023-12-05_10-14-32.mp4?ex=6581b37f&is=656f3e7f&hm=10b84abeed845373404e4f91347922214da064f15628a30f0a96a356bf8cd1f4&

[atomic pond]

yes sure i get that

thats not what i meant

i know crit can oneshot as i can also oneshot them if i manage to crit with shred stacks

as i am stuck with shred evis

out of ordos

i was rather questioning how good that really is in practice

compared to other blessings

[opal rune]

in aurics you get flooded with elites

having something that can kill elites fast is pretty good

[winter oak]

antax hey?

[opal rune]

having savage sweep on mk15 evis won't remove the damage cap on the lights, it will just help with staggering enemies

[neon fog]

Antax or rashad. It's preference.

[opal rune]

if you want to one shot crushers you need to use chastise on the saw of the rev

[atomic pond]

i never said i am using savage anyways

[opal rune]

you can one shot reapers and bulwarks with a weakspot rev with 4 martyr stacks

[opal rune]

i mean mk15 isn't a horde clear weapon? it's weaker on horde clearing because it's stuck with lights, even if you proc rampage, the 4 enemies damage limit on lights would still cripple it

so you can drop either one

but being stuck with shred

i guess you can swap to a martyr build

replace rampage with bloodthirsty

keep invocation of death and spam chastise

use martyr's attack speed buff to compensate for the light's target limit

i guess you can do this?

6 points left

you can go for bleed for the emperor and shield of contempt

or take twbs, sustained assault, and duellist or disdain

drop the two charges for chastise since you don't need to use it for rev attacks if you have bloodthirsty

and use it on the tdr after martyr

getting stuck with shred is pretty limiting

[opal rune]

@hot rapids bruh how do you make a mk15 evis work that's stuck with shred

[hot rapids]

wdym

you put the SS on

[opal rune]

it's a mk15, and lights still has 4 target limit on damage

[opal rune]

bleed light spam evis

never thought i'd see the day

[hot rapids]

the problem is you still can't stagger ragers with 5 stacks of punishment, but it helps with horde clear.

[solid dust]

That's with savage sweep ? Not taking rampage aye?

[opal rune]

ye looks like even with savage sweep, lights are still stuck with the 4 target limit

oh nice, heavies doesn't have a target limit

i thought i was tweaking

[solid dust]

So savage sweep is pretty bad on the new evis?

heh

[opal rune]

ye, mk15's only horizontal are lights

[hot rapids]

I assume this is a bug

[opal rune]

nah

a few patches ago, heavy attacks on evis got its target limit removed

[hot rapids]

then just use rampage or bloodthirsty

[opal rune]

cleave damage cap looks intentional

[opal rune]

@atomic pond your mk15 is bricked not going to be one shotting crushers without a crit
perchance

[hot rapids]

Shred does not brick your Evi, just change your build

[opal rune]

nice

[atomic pond]

i love how you never read me mentioning i settled with this ''because'' i am out of ordo

but eitherway, yes i am aware it wont oneshot crushers without crit

[opal rune]

oh you're out of mats

my bad

[atomic pond]

ye i barely started playing the game like a week or less before traitor part 1 update

[opal rune]

good spot to start

we were in a glorified open beta before patch13

[solid dust]

Is Surgical any good with the new revolver ? Or Crucian Roulette better ? Still using Hand-cannon on it tho

[neon fog]

Well if you shoot slow surgical is better.

If you shoot fast crucian roulette is better.

[hot rapids]

The new revolver needs you to take reload speed talent to work well, I don't like it.

that talent is expensive

[analog birch]

Haven't tried the new revolver yet but the patch notes said less damage and less accuracy. Seems like a revolver without those things isn't worth much

[winter oak]

@neon fog whats your antax build again for martyrdom

[neon fog]

Yeah old revolver is better. This one is just cool.

[neon fog]

#1158835247685836853 message

Unchanged with new patch.

Still op. Any weapons work but for me combat axe (antax/rashad) is strongest.

[winter oak]

this one right?

[neon fog]

Yeah flak maniac is ideal.

[winter oak]

havent played much of this game but i tend to agree

[neon fog]

But you're so strong at low hp you can kill all chaffs in a single headshot anyway. With flak you can 1 shot hs shotgunner.

If you can only put one perk put flak on it.

[winter oak]

thank you! still just trying to get the stupid base stats right

this games crafting system

[neon fog]

Yep the crafting system is so bad.

[limber prairie]

is this workable?

point blank/sustained fire -> hand cannon

sprint -> flak/carapace?

time sensitive as its melk

[wanton shard]

Not good.
Maniac + Flak/ crit
Crucian roulette + Hand-Cannon

[proud stream]

YES YES YES

[wanton shard]

Oh really?

[proud stream]

there's two possibility

crucian + hand in a blazing piety build

so you get a constant crit baze while not relying on surgical

and you don't have to use chastise

[limber prairie]

so should I get this ???

[proud stream]

i mean, not that much

[wanton shard]

Hmmm I could actually use the 2nd option for my hammer zealot which doesn't have much crit

[proud stream]

but i find it way more fun to use speedloader + sustained fire

you're killing elites as fast

in short burst

but yeah, if you see a crusher, you rather use chastise or use melee

the reload was noticeably faster with speedload

you should try it first in the psyk

thoses talents should work quite well with too, especially the first one

speedloading on melee kill is probably not needed if you already got the blessing

it's more useful on the other mark

[proud stream]

you can probably craft a better one, it depends on your resources

but well, you can definetly work with it

i think sustained + handcannon is probably a good pair too with blazing, but it's maybe better on a vet with deadshot

[wanton shard]

I just picked up one from my shop with those specs, going to give it ago

[hot rapids]

Look how many melee elites I have killed

[proud stream]

New evis?

[hot rapids]

Actually it was the fire nades

[solid dust]

I love the New Evis.

[proud stream]

Wait that counts as melee??

[lament juniper]

What's the build for the new Evis crit build?

[opal rune]

no the counter counts how many elites that uses melee weapons you have killed

[proud stream]

TIL it's not elites I have killed in melee -_-

[solid dust]

I wouldn't personally bring Piety with the new Evis, lack of attack speed steroid makes the weapon a little too difficult, personally I'm having fun with Shred + Rampage, get those Chastise Resets with Invocation of Death, but going full Martyrdom for the defensive capability and attack speed + damage power. It is working super well for me.

(The other 2 joined the mission late, and the fourth who was with me from the start dced at the end, but it still pumps really good. And it's comfy to light attack spam in hordes.)

I also bring the Fire Shotty but that's personal taste, can do with revolver, Laspistol, boltgun, or w.e

[lament juniper]

I don't have wound curios

[solid dust]

Momentum will give good results too, if not better. I personally don't like it, butt it's pretty good

[lament juniper]

I never see the benefits from momentum tbh

Like I know they are there, but feel so insubstantial imo

[solid dust]

I don't like momentum either, but it's just personal taste, I love the defense and clutch martyrdom provides.

[obtuse mango]

momentum has high uptime

You do not need to think about using it

it's always up

I do not use it myself either- i'm a martyrdom shroud player

But momentum is the most popular keystone

because of how consistent it is

[solid dust]

It is pretty good. I just prefer Martyr as well.

EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER has anyone used the New Laspistol and compared to the old one after changes ? Which one is better

[obtuse mango]

new one has a better feel

is less tedious to use

Overall it's better, but not by a huge amount

for the commissar rolepplayers, the new laspistol is the way

[solid dust]

What peeps even use for blessings on it ?

I assume somewhere between dumdum ghost and infernus

[sharp sleet]

pretty much the same as the other laspistol

new laspistol just feels like a powercreep of the older one

dumdum guaranteed
likely ghost > infernus due to lower attack speed but both still nice
raking fire instead if you wanna shoot things in the back of the head

[lament juniper]

I mean, Fury has 100% uptime as long as things die

You get 25 stacks and then crits for the rest of the fight

I only ever get 20 momentum between fights

[sharp sleet]

.....but wait 20 momentum is max stacks...

[solid dust]

Yeah but the thing is that Critical chance on this game is absolutely weird

In few weapons its so good.
On most it's kinda ass and incosistent

So increasing atk speed and damage is usually a lot better, but again, depends on the weapon

[sharp sleet]

for zealot most cases you'd want crit just for the crit cdr shenanigans anyways

[solid dust]

Yeee ^.
And on Evis you honestly don't even need Piety if you bring shred. Which I do, in the new Evis, since savage sweep seems worthless on it

[sharp sleet]

yeah you're not gonna run ss on the new evis cause of the light damage cap thing

[obtuse mango]

yea, as long as things die

which is not a guaranteed

but you will always be moving

[opal rune]

what's fury again?

[obtuse mango]

you cannot play darktide and not move

[opal rune]

fury after piety?

[obtuse mango]

25 dead enemies give you crit

it has a higher peak than momentum, no doubt

but it is never going to be as consistent

[lament juniper]

Except this is a horde shooter, so there is a large amount of things to kill or crit

Especially since it doesn't need to be your kills

[opal rune]

there's always singular bruisers walking around to keep your piety stacks

[lament juniper]

25 kills is 3 seconds at most

That is assuming the slowest trickle

But all momentum stacks disappear upon attacking

So most of the time you won't reach max stacks

[obtuse mango]

Then by all means continue sticking to fury

[lament juniper]

You only reach max stacks between combat

[obtuse mango]

I don't think this is some hidden secret meta that people have not discovered

[opal rune]

or use martyr and stay at 40hp the entire run

[obtuse mango]

it's the same argument people used to have about the old EWEW vs the toughness on kill node in the zealot skill tree

Back in december when the game came out

Consistent uptime for merely existing, or requiring enemies to die around you, which will be interesting when a pack of 5-15 crushers or maulers have you in a corner

Enemies that are not going to die immediately

And I say this while playing fury / martyr myself

not momentum

[opal rune]

or you can just

proc a crit

[proud stream]

og camovet gaming

[lament juniper]

Ye crit builds + reset on crit

Also the mk15 can oneshot maulers

And 2 shot crushers

And my build uses the guaranteed crit ult

You can also get multiple crits per revved attack

[hushed oracle]

flamer zealot build anyone?\

[zenith hollow]

what blitz

I.... don't like the new Evis variant

capped at 4 targets for its lights

heavies are ass slow, push attack is baaaaaaad

I feel like I remember this being faster

echo the above sentiment, definitely would not run this out of Piety

[zenith hollow]

here's one, less support orientated than my other flamer build

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ac8a199-5f01-436b-892c-6f2f0da15e90/chain-axe-flamer-quickness?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

pretty great fun

[hot rapids]

What needs to be changed is that going from light to heavy is too slow. Why is the second heavy attack so slow? It doesn't even deal that much damage.

[neon fog]

I like the new evis.

[solid dust]

New Evis is good. Have anyone had fun with it in Piety for crit cdr shenanigans? Going to try it later but I feel the slow speed will hurt

[zenith hollow]

Bad out of piety imo

You want extra attack speed with this

[neon fog]

Yeah go piety chatise spam.

Shred rampage for blessings.

[solid dust]

I'm doing Chastise spam for the attack speed uptime, but with Martyrdom and not Piety tbh, Shred is enough, it's a 10s buff, it's Long

[hushed oracle]

Sorry I was shleep thank you papi

[dark bolt]

everything is great except the damage

[green gale]

mobility stat on its way to ruin weapons that otherwise would've been perfect for bricking

[royal orbit]

Honstly damage scaling on shredder is abysmal anyway

You can work very well with 62%

[indigo shale]

i've been wanting to try out the knives, any decent non-stealth talent trees that use the knives?

[limber prairie]

not afaik

unless you mean throwing knives

in which case there's a dclaw +ADS revovler build i enjoy with fury of the faithful

[indigo shale]

i mean throwing knives

[limber prairie]

i'd post it but im at work

[indigo shale]

understandable

[limber prairie]

it has an answer for virtually every situation

so long as you can land those headshots with knives

[hot rapids]

[opal rune]

it's him

john darktide

[hot rapids]

He did juice me, a big load

that rev was like 20K+ damage

[limber prairie]

im sad the stimms can't be stacked

no sentai juicing a friend with red + yellow + blue

[hot rapids]

When there is plasma vet on your team

[dark bolt]

fr? bet

[dark bolt]

isnt 80% mobility literally as good as you can get?

[sharp sleet]

mobility isn't what you want

at all

is what they mean

mobility having 80 means a more important stat is being sacrificed cause that shit is sucking it up

[indigo shale]

yeah with mobility once you hit the breakpoint for the last pip of dodge you can get it basically does nothing useful

(usually that's at like 50 or 51%)

[proud stream]

51

[zenith hollow]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9ac8a199-5f01-436b-892c-6f2f0da15e90/chain-axe-flamer-quickness?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

no stealth throwing knives

[indigo shale]

thanks!

[indigo ridge]

Could you share your build?

[atomic pond]

i am also doing something similar if you are interested, can grab scourge over blood redemption for more crit but remember new evis is slow so dont expect to bleed to much

[indigo ridge]

Thanks a lot mate

[atomic pond]

only problem is not having twbs

could path through throwing knives

dropping fire bombs and health regen after taking dmg

you'll also lose sustained assault that way tho

which is 20% dmg

[indigo ridge]

Yeah true and I like my flame grenades 😄

Ima test it out, thanks again

[atomic pond]

gl

[indigo ridge]

You do 2x +1 ordo or 3?

Maybe I test if I need the extra toughness

[atomic pond]

you mean curios? you wont be able to spam chastise as much as a regular crit piety build so

you get toughness back from dodges with second wind

which is extremely powerful in my opinion

and for curios i run 3x toughness with hp toughness and gunner/sniper/toughness regen as perks, 3rd one is flexable

can run ordo there if you are farming them

[indigo ridge]

Yeah ima test it out and see

[dire cargo]

how well does charge + martyr on heavier weapons fare? i really just want to be unkillable with enough wounds up the ass to swing as fast as the combat knife

for no other reason than to feel fast

[zenith hollow]

Heavier weapons meaning 2h? very well

Crusher, newviscerator and Hammers love Martyrdom

as does new Chaxe

[dire cargo]

i will take newvisc because giant chainswords are cool

however, i’m not sure if my build is on par or if i just suck at this sort of playstyle, though i am missing wound relics

cause i get tossed around like a ragdoll

are crits a good inclusion? something tells me that’s a no

[atomic pond]

without full wound relics

dont try martyrdom

you would be missing a lot i would say

[dire cargo]

at the very least a +8% bonus to damage and att spd

[atomic pond]

yes but as that stacks with how many empty wounds you have

less wounds = less dmg and aspd

[dire cargo]

yeah exactly

[atomic pond]

i would say run momentum until you can get enough wound curios

they are easy to make honestly

just get +1 wound with hp and toughness

dont need to sweat the 3rd perk

[dire cargo]

mmm knife zealot

i already run stealth knife momentum, and i have a piety + relic with evisc that has little to no cd

i’m only missing the absolute maniac build (martyr) and i don’t have the relics for it

dang

what about weapon stats n blessings

+as% and walker damage?

[atomic pond]

@dire cargoif you are asking about evis, pretty much like this more pen less mobility

perks and blessings are good on this too, shred can be swapped with something else but i couldnt on this one as i had to add in rampage

[atomic pond]

also can run knife with piety for some insane shit with any ult like this

[dire cargo]

wh-HUH

BLOCK ATTACKS IN UNDER 3S

[atomic pond]

pretty much under 2 secs

[dire cargo]

my fucking god

[atomic pond]

last hit wasnt crit and last sec was just me watching him fall over

[dire cargo]

that is

wow

[atomic pond]

knife i used for that

[dire cargo]

are you using throwing knife?

yeah, for more talent points i take it

[atomic pond]

if you mean the crit knife build, i am playing it as 5 secs invis spam reposition to take out important enemies

i have loner but you can reposition so fast and get back to your team

with 6 secs invis

[dire cargo]

i have almost the exact one, minus crits

hmm

i run full right side

[atomic pond]

skill tree is like this for that build

[dire cargo]

yeah i figured

[atomic pond]

prioritizing as much cooldown reduction as possible

with backstab and crit

[dire cargo]

is backstab cdr necessary if you’re critting 24/7?

[atomic pond]

depends, you probably can perma stealth even without it during hordes

i just wanted to make sure

could swap it for twbs if you dont like getting stunned even with knife

[dire cargo]

twbs?

[atomic pond]

or remove all 3 points there except sustained assault and just path somewhere also with 3 points

[atomic pond]

left side one

[dire cargo]

oh that one

[atomic pond]

makes it so you dont get stunned by anything

like gunner shots

breaking toughness etc

but its less useful here as we have almost perma invis

its better on heavier weapons

[dire cargo]

yeah i like that one

ah wait

wasn’t there a near-keystone talent that does the same thing after you stack it?

like a 5 stack thing

[dire cargo]

ah

[atomic pond]

hitting 3 enemies with knife is rough

[dire cargo]

uninterruptible isn’t the same as the bonus from twbs

[atomic pond]

if you remove the backstab cdr and other 2 nodes there, you can swap the build to fire bomb version

or grab second wind etc for even more toughness regen

preferences

fire nade version would be like this i guess

[dire cargo]

yeah i actually run this exact version but with momentum instead

[atomic pond]

can also drop 10% aspd in the martyrdom path

as knife barely needs aspd

i just feel better with it personally

[dire cargo]

that would be mobility stat on the knife itself, which i can live without

it feels good running at mach 5

but i also like the penetration and can use the bonus aspd talent

since i use revolver for executions anyway, i don’t need throwing knives

they’re good utility, but they can’t get enemies off a downed teammate

i like to minmax and prep for every situation, rather than relying on allies

[atomic pond]

its minimal honestly, i wish mine had more first target

then mobility :/

also finesse i guess

[dire cargo]

that’s some nice stats

knife doesn’t benefit too much from first target imo, cause even though you are able to slash multiple enemies in a horde, you’ll need more than a few hits on the head to kill them, which is where bleed comes in

[atomic pond]

well for that i actually run thunder hammer martyrdom onetap build to actually 'prep' for every situation including bosses

sadly couldnt fit in the fire nade on that one

as its quite point hungry

to fit in high toughness regen and decent dr

while also keeping oneshot ability against all bosses

[dire cargo]

could you share the talent tree?

[atomic pond]

sure

[dire cargo]

i also heard that charged heavy + special active on hammers with stealth turns daemonhosts into a joke

[atomic pond]

can kill without hp bar appearing

here i'll clip one real quick in shooting range

[dire cargo]

💀

i wanna see this

[atomic pond]

as a personal choice

if you want more horde dmg

as hammer's cleave sucks as in

dmg fall off on other targets after 1st target

although it knocks all of them down which helps not getting hit

you can remove this and grab

this

[dire cargo]

ah interesting

for martyr i want to run mid-left-left-mid trees

[atomic pond]

@dire cargohere

[dire cargo]

BAHAHA

OH MY LORD

you blew that mfs back out

jeSUS

[atomic pond]

you can do this against any boss pretty much, plague ogryn has most hp out of them so might need to go all the way down to last wound and get 6 stacks of martyrdom for that

[dire cargo]

i better start collecting those relics then

what stats should i look out for? +hp%?

[atomic pond]

perks on curios? i just go with hp toughness and flex 3rd

[dire cargo]

okay seems pretty standard

i would be mostly worried about snipers and gunners

so i might try to get either or

[atomic pond]

nurgle

while testing actually it appears i cant onetap plague ogryn

[dire cargo]

how close are you though?

[atomic pond]

he requires an additional love tap

[dire cargo]

sheesh

[indigo ridge]

What the hell lol

[atomic pond]

chaos spawn

[dire cargo]

tbf in a team fight, he’d already be low enough to get popped in one hit

[indigo ridge]

I need that in my Life lol

[atomic pond]

ye pretty much what happens

[indigo ridge]

Thrust and thunderous or which blessings?

[atomic pond]

slaughterer can be changed with headtaker

thats mainly for horde clear

as i mentioned before cleave sucks on crucis

[dire cargo]

hmm, what’s the difference between backstab and headshot damage on the hammer?

[atomic pond]

want to backstab because i am taking this

[dire cargo]

aha, okay yeah

[atomic pond]

captain :v

[atomic pond]

@indigo ridgedemonhost onetap is always by far the funniest one, its even funnier seeing people's reaction and asking how it died

[dire cargo]

not much in terms of cdr, but i suppose it’s not that necessary if your general and special damage are good

[atomic pond]

ye crucis special can 2 tap-ish crushers

and i run revolver anyways so

can onetap mutie with special heavy again

only need stealth against bosses

or if you really need to get a res off

[atomic pond]

captain onetap is tricky tho, for some reason it feels like if i cant hit the backstab + head for weakspot extra dmg he doesnt die and stays with like 5-7k hp

even tho captain on paper has less hp then some other bosses i already onetapped and my hammer has flak as well which should help even more