psyker-class

[lethal lagoon]

Should be 100% chance of 5% peril or something.

[spice veldt]

3% expected value per marked target lamayo

[unkempt light]

Should be just a Guaranteed Quell with lower Peril quelled, yeah

[spice veldt]

and probablistic

[fluid knot]

BM exists

[ornate hamlet]

Whereas you have a node at the top of the tree where every single enemy gets like 10 or 15% chance, this one is a single specific enemy giving 20%

[severe folio]

should have been guranteed quell yeah

[lethal lagoon]

20% for 15 on a target that might be three walls away, or 10% for 10 on all targets.

Wtf fatshark lmao

[severe folio]

they think psyker is too strong

they afraid of giving psyker too much power

and breathe through contents too fast

or trivial other classes

[fluid knot]

Psyker kinda is too strong tbh

[severe folio]

probably because the psyker class have access to one of the best thing in the game

infinite ammo in a game where everyone's gun runs on boxes

[lethal lagoon]

Psykers are consistently the worst players in pubs.

[severe folio]

well thats the player

not the job

[lethal lagoon]

But even with surge

[fluid knot]

Yeah not an effective measure

[lethal lagoon]

How can you be bad with surge?

Pubs have the answer

[fluid knot]

Problem there is, when Vet got "nerfed" (it didnt) a lot of Vet mains made Psykers and instantly went into Aurics with them

[glossy ember]

the icon looks like "you dense motherfucker" meme

[severe folio]

most of the time the issue with pub isnt the build they have

its how proactive they play their game

[wind halo]

What is the meta Ult combo with Assail nowadays? I haven't been using Assail as a build at all

[fluid knot]

The class is as strong as Ogryn, its just popular amongst potatos because its strong

[severe folio]

too often people will become hesitant to move forward

or too distracted

[glossy ember]

agreed, plus there's a psyker in every pub i do! (it's me)

[lethal lagoon]

Anyone that says vet is the worst class is just outing themselves as being terrible at the game lmao.

[severe folio]

or not focus enough to watch their back

[fluid knot]

It do be like that..

Marksman's is one of the strongest keystones in the game currently

[golden tartan]

Counterpoint. Weapon Specialist

XD

[fluid knot]

Also very good, but the damage output isnt near as high

The guaranteed crits are super strong tho

[golden tartan]

Melee vet atm does as much (even more) melee output than zealot right now

[fluid knot]

Ehhhhh

I wouldnt go that far

Maybe with PSword

[golden tartan]

Nah it actually is

[fluid knot]

But thats a balancing issue in an of itself

[ornate hamlet]

Weapon specialist gets some ridiculous numbers

[golden tartan]

Zealot however does have survivability

[severe folio]

vet get access to some real fun melee weapons

not as much as zealot but the little they got sure is fun

[golden tartan]

Theres also the bayo exploit but lets not talk about that

[fluid knot]

I wish Zealot got a shovel

[severe folio]

everyone should have got a shovel

[fluid knot]

Yeah... i dont include that or PSword in the running tbh

They're both stupidly borked

[unkempt light]

I'm still baffled by that one. Limbsplitter IV on the bayonet won't be enough to clear hordes on it's own.

[golden tartan]

Dclaw melee vet can match hsword zealot

[fluid knot]

It nukes bosses

[golden tartan]

Not in survivability. But easily in output

[fluid knot]

Absolutely not lol

[severe folio]

limbsplitter bayonet

[golden tartan]

Thats the thing.

Limbsplitter BM bayo does

[fluid knot]

Its good, its not as good as it is on Zealot lol

[severe folio]

the death korp krieg is real

[golden tartan]

Nah vet gets a shit ton of stacking buffs that buff it to high heaven

[fluid knot]

It doesnt matter, Zealot has Piety and Martryrdom which shove its sustained DPS through the roof

[golden tartan]

+25% finesse, +10% crit, +25% damage on weapon swap, +10% attack speed, +15% attack speed on weapon swap, +30% weakspot damage,

Im still missing some

[fluid knot]

You get bursts of very high damage, its not that consistent due to many of the buffs not lasting very long

[wind halo]

Time to try out Assail + Scrier + EP, bogstandard build

[golden tartan]

The buffs last basically permanently thou

[echo turtle]

Another 4 illisis rolled up to transcendent tonight and still no blood thirsty, this gets me up to around 60 sword to transcendent and still no bleasing

This fucking game...

[golden tartan]

Cos you can Q M1 Q in 0.2s to keep the buffs going

[fluid knot]

A quarter of it is Agile, an thats timed

[golden tartan]

Yea but its trivial to reset

[severe folio]

i acquired my slaughterer blessing for illisi recently

[golden tartan]

So u keep that on all the time

[fluid knot]

You can, but you'll get your shit pushed in if you try to do that all the time

[golden tartan]

No? Because there is no vul window

You instantly snap a shot off

[fluid knot]

There kinda is yeah

[unkempt light]

Wtf, I did not feel that when I was running just the Bayonet without the exploit. And this was on Damnation.

[golden tartan]

See crab's videos on his shovel laspistol tech

[fluid knot]

If you're mid animation an you eat pretty much any hits on Vet, thats a big amount of hurt you just took, trying to do that all the time in heated situations is not a good idea

[golden tartan]

There are guns with near zero weapon swap ani

[fluid knot]

Guns yes, the blade isnt one of them

[subtle tulip]

pistols in general comes to mind

[golden tartan]

You can parry cancel the swap

[fluid knot]

Still gotta draw it

[echo turtle]

Surge with DD has really good damage,

I like it with creeping flames and perilous as you get lots of stack refreshes by incidental kills from the soul blaze

[golden tartan]

Nah the parry starts the moment u push the button.

[fluid knot]

An if you're going straight into parry, thats a net loss when you could just restack Rampage

[golden tartan]

Even if its mid draw

[fluid knot]

Im not sayin melee Vet isnt good, but its absolutely not as good as Zealot

[golden tartan]

Its less survivable cos less DR

But its damage is easily as good

[fluid knot]

Only time I've been out-DPS'd by a melee Vet is when i was competing with PSword, an that was in the hands of an incredibly good player

[subtle tulip]

as far as I'm aware, zealot and vet are foundational, so long as you are good at the basics, then y'all gucchi

[golden tartan]

Of course though you can always beat melee vet by running ahead with chastise

Thats rhe failsafe way

But that doesnt count

[fluid knot]

I dont use Chastise

[golden tartan]

Cos ur stealing damage at that point

[fluid knot]

The fuck?

[golden tartan]

If ur getting into melee faster than ur allies of course they do less damage lmao

But like running ahead isnt exactly good play. Theres times for it

But not all the time

[fluid knot]

Thats hardly "stealing" damage Grawr, and you'll generally get into melee faster on Zealot even without Chastise, because odds are, you're closer to
the enemies

[golden tartan]

Its stealing cos its deliberately using a mechanic in a way to scoreboard pad rather than play well

Cos the second statement isnt true. Melee vet wants to be in the thick of things

[fluid knot]

That is a real stretch of logic mate

Padding scoreboard is things like refusing to progress objectives or move into elevators, simply killing things with your Ult barely qualifies

[golden tartan]

Running ahead qualifies

[fluid knot]

Psyker steals more damage than anyone by that logic because of all their "free" damage output they dont have to apply

[golden tartan]

Like running ahead so you get more bodies to stab so u can farm more damage is padding

[fluid knot]

Not really, moving forward when you're able to to push enemies before they push the team is often a good play, running so far ahead you're out of sight isnt padding either, its speedrunning lol

[golden tartan]

If ur running ahead of the other melee characters consistently that they arent able to follow and get in in a timely manner then thats padding

Its really easy to pad

Just run off to somewhere and aggro a bunch of poxwalkers

Hilariously easy to clear

[fluid knot]

So what this actually translates too is: "I dont like other melee builds getting to combat first because its effecting my score"

[golden tartan]

Lots of damage numbers

[summer prairie]

tbh killing poxwalkers in general is padding

[fluid knot]

Because uhh.. thats how this is reading

[golden tartan]

No its. "If you are running forward without working with ur teammates ur padding"

[tame venture]

killing heretics is stat padding

[summer prairie]

if you aren't only targeting the high priority targets you are padding

[tame venture]

you can't disprove that

[fluid knot]

Yea tbh, you shouldnt kill anything, only run to the end of the mission and do as little damage as possible, you should aim to complete the mission like a pro without needing to kill anything

[severe folio]

thats political

[tame venture]

only real pros afk at spawn

[golden tartan]

Its hilariously easy to top frag by padding

Doesnt mean its good play

[fluid knot]

Its also hilariously easy to do by playing well....

[summer prairie]

scoreboard doesn't matter

[glossy ember]

tbh i do wanna clear some unaggro'd small packs because they'll automatically aggro when a horde start anyway, might as well clean up asap

[golden tartan]

This.

Scoreboard is not indicative of performance

[fluid knot]

Thats a stretch

If someone is just killing poxies, the board shows it, if someone is dying all the time, the board shows it

[patent wing]

guys i really want to play purgatus, but the vfx are horribly bright therefore i avoid it.
are mods safe to use, maybe even open source so less virus risk?

[fluid knot]

Its pretty indicative of who is playing well and being an asset and who isnt

[golden tartan]

If someone is killing the lone specials that trickle in but isnt contributing during pressure situations, scoreboard doesnt show it

[glossy ember]

it would, they'd have low special killing count

[fluid knot]

Which is why you look for consistently high damage output against all targets

[golden tartan]

Idgaf how many specials you kill in the 80% of the run where it doesnt matter.

Its the 20% pinch situation that does

[glossy ember]

oh i misread

[golden tartan]

Once again, running ahead but not contributing during pinch situations doesnt show on scoreboard here

[fluid knot]

Thats some serious cope right there mate i wont lie. By wiping stuff through the whole mission, you're effectively limiting the number of overly high pressure situations that can take place

[lethal lagoon]

I've come across maybe 1 game where a person who's better than me on the scoreboard wasn't also a better team player and player in general 🤷‍♂️

This isn't vt2.

[golden tartan]

Easily 70% of the damage and kills is trash damage.

[lethal lagoon]

Mind you, pubs beating me is pretty rare.

[golden tartan]

3 people can run through 80% of an auric no problem.

[lethal lagoon]

But still

[golden tartan]

Its the 20% of pinch situations that is hard

[fluid knot]

I had a Maelstrom the other day with 846 specials, elites and disablers in it... that was more than a third of the enemies

[lethal lagoon]

Pinch situations happen usually because there isn't enough DPS

[golden tartan]

No?

Pinch situations happen because the director spawns bullshit

[fluid knot]

Its both

[lethal lagoon]

Can't have a pinch if everything is just dying, it's why I stopped running premade.

[fluid knot]

Sometimes its because the director went awol, sometimes its because only one team member has any meaningful damage output

[golden tartan]

Honestly the former is more than the latter

[fluid knot]

In my experience, its the other way round

[lethal lagoon]

Same

[golden tartan]

Atm its hilariously easy for a potato to do something

[fluid knot]

Yes, and they still fail to a lot of the time

[golden tartan]

Point the plasma in the general direction

Aaaaand done

[fluid knot]

You'd think, but pugs dont play out like that

They'd rather beat on one or two poxwalkers than shoot that sniper in the back thats causing problems

[summer prairie]

doing damage isn't hard, much of your scoreboard damage is just doing damage a bit earlier than the others

[golden tartan]

^ this

[fluid knot]

In other words, being more aware of your surroundings and the spawns in play, yes, which is like 80% of how to play well

[golden tartan]

Or just... running ahead has the same effect

[lethal lagoon]

Also keep in mind, the safer your team is, the more DPS a class like Psyker or vet will do.

So.... wrong channel for the running ahead argument

Also, we are strictly talking about auric maels, or atleast auric t5s, right?

[fluid knot]

It doesnt though.. because if you run too far ahead, you'll get ratted unless you're either absurdly skilled already, or you're running a speedrun build

[ornate hamlet]

Me shooting the trapper and potentially saving the team from a wipe while earning a measly 0.9K damage on the scoreboard

[golden tartan]

Well the highest dps vet build atm actually wants chaos, not safety

[severe folio]

is that a fact or is it your personal opinion

[golden tartan]

You dont need to be too far ahead. Just 20m is enough to get consistently higher damage

[golden tartan]

Melee vet build

[fluid knot]

An besides, nearly all the way through the hardest settings, the director is spawning stuff on the team's six anyway

[golden tartan]

Feel free to ask the vets

[golden tartan]

Six is generally less than twelve

[fluid knot]

Its not though, because other classes have ranged weapons... which typically, do just as much damage as melee weapons

[golden tartan]

Thats the other kind of padding

[fluid knot]

Depends massively on the map

[golden tartan]

Ammo dumping

But that one is obvious

[fluid knot]

Anyone who dumps ammo into hordes with the exception of Oggy, is probably dogwater and is going to die five or six times anyway

[plucky flax]

Kinda sus

[golden tartan]

Or is padding

Ez

[fluid knot]

"Everyone is padding except me because i play really well, its everyone else thats at fault" Riiiiiiight

[golden tartan]

No its that you can see that some people do pad

Its a thing

Not everyone of course

But there is a notable minority

[fluid knot]

Thats not enough to warrant this extended conversation over.

[golden tartan]

Sufficient that I take any scoreboard screencap or dps comparison argument with a serious pinch of salt

[fluid knot]

If someone is playing well, 95% of the time, the scoreboard reflects that, particularly if you have the one with the full breakdown

[golden tartan]

Cos you can fabricate any of that easily through any padding technique

[plucky flax]

Vet is the worst class for me.

[fluid knot]

Then dont make out that melee Vet out performs Zealot then lol

[summer prairie]

I "pad" to an extent and play for damage because it's a metric you can actually measure and try to optimize, but still recognize that's not necessarily a great metric for measuring how well someone played

[fluid knot]

Because that would be being hypocritical, wouldnt it

[golden tartan]

I said it easily performs at least as well

:P

[lethal lagoon]

4th place damage is almost guaranteed to be the slowest to save you from nets and dogs 🤷‍♂️

[fluid knot]

#psyker-class message

[lethal lagoon]

Unless they joined late or something, but obviously that's different.

[fluid knot]

"As much (even more)"

[golden tartan]

Sure damage output =/= scoreboard score

[fluid knot]

And where do you most commonly see said damage numbers? Oh yeah. The scoreboard.

[golden tartan]

The psykanium

=.=

[fluid knot]

Reflected in a relevant environment.

[severe folio]

why would you use the psykanium to measure that sort of thing

[golden tartan]

Hp bar mod then

[fluid knot]

Sure, you might kill certain faster, but in general, no

[severe folio]

this conversation was borked since the beginning lol

[fluid knot]

You use it to check your breakpoints and as the very most base version of if your build is functional and capable, its kinda of irrelevant in practice outside those two niche elements

Good for testing talent synergy tho

[half iron]

skrillex

[golden tartan]

And also to practice combos against common threats like rager packs

[lethal lagoon]

I mean if you just pay attention while playing the game you'll notice the people with less damage play worse, get caught by nets and dogs more easily, are more likely to attack a trapper instead of saving a teammate netted, etc.

[severe folio]

well

[late geyser]

this is very relevant to the psyker meta/discussion

[lethal lagoon]

🤷‍♂️ It's pretty cut and dry

[severe folio]

then you cant use the psykanium in this conversation

its not the right tools

or the right metric

[late geyser]

FUCK WRONG VIDEO

[golden tartan]

Creature spawner

Is in the psykanium

[severe folio]

Its not the right tool

[lethal lagoon]

Your teammates aren't in the psych

DPS needs to be weighed agaisnt actually being usable.

[severe folio]

its a heavily controlled environment in a topic that involve a lot less control

[fluid knot]

Correct, its very easy to fabricate situations where you have your maximum output on the go in the psykh, its much less easy to reach your theoretical max output in game

[golden tartan]

Ok thats fair

You can fabricate situations

Same for scoreboard

[plucky flax]

It's tru I always bottom frag melee vet always top frag in my sedition games.

[lethal lagoon]

The question isn't if you can game the scoreboard, it's whether or not it's a good judge

And the short answer is yes it is.

[golden tartan]

Its not

[lethal lagoon]

Are you saying the person with the least damage in your games isn't usually the worst player?

[quartz barn]

I mean output as psyker isnt just dmg, its more about positioning, dodging and being able to weave in ranged dmg in melee distance

[fluid knot]

Its a much better mark than "oh i can reach XYZ in a sterile environment"

[lethal lagoon]

Because's that's wild.

[golden tartan]

Ok it can point out inadequacy

But thats it

[lethal lagoon]

3rd is unlikely to be the best player

[severe folio]

its the best we got

[lethal lagoon]

So now you are just comparing 1st and 2nd.

[severe folio]

and if we arent using the best tool we got to measure this

[lethal lagoon]

What's the difference?

[severe folio]

then there wouldnt even be a conversation

much less a wrong conversation

[golden tartan]

Im gonna disagree on this one

Cos its very build dependent

[lethal lagoon]

Let's say 1st is 500k, 2nd is 450k, 3rd is 200k, and 4th is 190k.

4th and 3rd are definitely the worst players.

[golden tartan]

Depends. Whats their builds

[lethal lagoon]

You can't tell between 1st and 2nd.

No build is going to be solid which such a huge difference.

[golden tartan]

Whats the situation

[plucky flax]

[lethal lagoon]

It's a horde game

[golden tartan]

Is it hunting grounds?

[lethal lagoon]

The problem is heretics and damage is the answer.

[quartz barn]

Instead of dmg i usually look at specials/elites killed

[golden tartan]

Where the horde isnt the threat its the filler

[fluid knot]

The main dictator of success is damage output on all targets

[lethal lagoon]

Everything is "horde". I'm not referencing poxxies.

[quartz barn]

Dmg mostly tells you who killed the most ads in hordes

[fluid knot]

There are some niche support builds, but its incredibly rare you'll find a Smite Psyker be the biggest contributor to success of a mission, for example

[lethal lagoon]

You just said it's good at pointing on inadqeuncy for 4th. But 3rd is literally right there, so why the change?

[golden tartan]

This tbh is also biased. Cos ok your team has a plasma gun vet... yea that number is gonna be skewed

[quartz barn]

Meanwhile you have the people who sacrifice overal dmg to peel for the team

[golden tartan]

Thats not what i said

[severe folio]

the damage wont be skewered

[lethal lagoon]

#psyker-class message

[fluid knot]

Or they had to clutch hard and thusly carry the mission

[severe folio]

we have overdamage for a reason

[golden tartan]

If you say have a 30min game and team stats are

400 350 300 90

Then the 90 is lagging

[lethal lagoon]

Don't change my example lmao

[quartz barn]

Only time my dmg is really up there is when i solo the horde + specials coming from behind

[fluid knot]

Overdamage doesnt really work like most assume it does btw

[severe folio]

how does it work

[golden tartan]

Your example doesnt tell me the 4th guy is bad

[summer prairie]

overdamage basically isn't a thing with Ovenproof's scoreboard

[plucky flax]

I bring my blaze trauma to melee maelstrom for the stats padding.

[fluid knot]

Its just overspill, its not wasted damage, its literally just damage that was added past the enemies death

Typically, the higher output, the more overkill, not always, but very typically

[lethal lagoon]

In what universe is the guy, assuming he was there the whole game, at last with 190k, versus first and second 500k, and 450k, not the worst player or atleast tied for worst with 200k? That's like a 1/1000 game odd.

[golden tartan]

Depends on the weapons once again

[lethal lagoon]

Breh, are you usually last, smite spammer?

[severe folio]

isnt that how it suppose to work, so it is wasted damage, because its damage added after past the enemies death

[lethal lagoon]

I'm so confused.

[golden tartan]

If you have 2 KB ogryns spamming hordes then obviously the other two will have trash damage

[severe folio]

youre not going to have 2 KB orgyns all the time

[golden tartan]

Ergo why i said DEPENDS ON THE WEAPONS

[severe folio]

and we arent that ridiculous to evaluate everything base on 1 scoreboard

[summer prairie]

The problem with the regular scoreboard is that it doesn't accurately calculate your overdamage

[plucky flax]

The guy on the left was definitely the worst player.

[severe folio]

And weapons depend on the user, because the game dont pick weapons for you, you pick your tools to do what you suppose to do

[glossy ember]

man i can't wait to try out asail later

it's gonna be fun 👀

[fluid knot]

That is literally how it works, if you have a weapon that one hits stuff, like Revolver for example, anything that wouldnt have contributed as the HP bar reaches zero is added, same as if you have a weapon which is high damage, but doesnt quite meet a one shot breakpoint, so its a two shot, then adds a shitload of overkill because the spillover from the second shot is added. Thats not "wasted", thats just how overkill is measured

[golden tartan]

Some weapons inherently have more trash damage. See KB

[severe folio]

you cannot blame your weapons to be inferior to your teammate

most of the weapon you pickup will be by your choice

and they will do exactly as you want them to do

[golden tartan]

Theres useful damage and theres trash

Shooting 20 poxwalkers is trash damage

[severe folio]

because you will use your weapon to do what you intend them to do

[golden tartan]

For instancr

[severe folio]

well i dont care what they use to kill those poxwalkers

[lethal lagoon]

I think we need to ask the question of bias, are you usually last or never first? You kinda ignored my comment.

In aurics t5s or maels

[severe folio]

if they can kill them before those poxwalker get to my behind im fine with so

[golden tartan]

Depends on the weapon choice

And how aggressive im feeling on the day

[fluid knot]

Another board for an examples sake... spot the evidently carrying player (its not hard)

[summer prairie]

the other players look decent

not seeing much carry here

[fluid knot]

Bruh

[plucky flax]

[half iron]

ok but your diamantine count lacks

[lethal lagoon]

So no.

[fluid knot]

They were average at best, an that mission threw everything at us

[lethal lagoon]

Or yes?

[golden tartan]

If im HBing im usually up near the top

If im MG12ing im.low cos i suck with that gun

And i fullt acknowledge it

[summer prairie]

pretty respectable disabler/specialist kills

[golden tartan]

Or if im running a plasma and trying not to be an ammo hog

[plucky flax]

No carry here the other 2 dudes were solid.

[fluid knot]

There was a total of 846 specials, elites and disablers

[severe folio]

yeah that guy kill more disablers than the 500k damage

[summer prairie]

you should switch to ovenproof though

with the regular scoreboard if you one-shot, you get all damage as non-overkill

[fluid knot]

I have since swapped, i only found out about it like 4 days ago

[summer prairie]

if it hasn't taken damage

[golden tartan]

Plasma moment

[fluid knot]

I dont think thats true actually, but ok

[summer prairie]

It's easy to test

you can see your damage in real time

[golden tartan]

Take a plasmagun shoot into horde. See your damage

[fluid knot]

Indeed

[summer prairie]

there's also a comment by Ovenproof showing the code that causes it

[golden tartan]

As to why Im miffed. Its cos i get miffed by padding behaviour which happens... often enough to irk me

[lethal lagoon]

paddng from pubs??

[golden tartan]

Yes

[lethal lagoon]

Can I have your pubs and you take mine?

[golden tartan]

The door camping is the big one

When im the only one doing thehack cos 3 guys are camping the same fking door

[lethal lagoon]

Is door camping even a thing other than on like 2 maps?

Also, if a player knows the door camping spots, you can assume he's reasonably skilled 🤷‍♂️

[severe folio]

how often do you receive that

[golden tartan]

Or just knows its the place they can farm

[compact cargo]

BOOOOORING

[golden tartan]

About 1 in 10 matches?

Enougu to irk me

Thats ballpark btw

[compact cargo]

man is just increasing his dps artificially by pressing m1 instead of been credit to team

[lethal lagoon]

I never run into people who seem to be "gaming" the scoreboard 🤷‍♂️

[severe folio]

what are you saying BigJ

[compact cargo]

Solution? Spawn a buster whenever someone is by a door for too long

[lethal lagoon]

Wait... does that mean... I'm "gaming" it

[compact cargo]

You should not be able to camp hordes by hitting them through terrain.

[golden tartan]

Usually the biggest offenders are the ones who run ahead and get trapped lol

[compact cargo]

Aka doors

This needs fixing

[lyric burrow]

I mean the real solution is not having spawn doors accessible to players as it creates a lot of weird situations

[severe folio]

yeah

[compact cargo]

Immesurably complex

[severe folio]

not letting us hit through walls after all this time

thats not going to fix anything

[lethal lagoon]

Spawn doors are kind of immerision breaking too

[severe folio]

why would that prevent people from camping doors

[compact cargo]

there's a reason fatshark ditched the vt2 system of spawning hordes far away

[severe folio]

theyll just camp to it a bit further back

[compact cargo]

Most people will avoid doors rather than be smart and just lay barely out of reach of the buster to push

[fluid knot]

I've seen it like twice

[compact cargo]

As seen by how most pubbers now avoid the upper path in new torrent

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno, I've just never been beaten on the scoreboard and felt like they didn't earn it.

[severe folio]

i seen more people stuck to doors

[compact cargo]

Besides you can just edit values to multiply them on scoreboard

[severe folio]

the burster dont scare as much people as we though

[compact cargo]

[severe folio]

what do you mean by edit values

[compact cargo]

Several steam screenshots were taken on modified stat users

[fluid knot]

Well thats it innit, those who do it are obvious as fuck about it, people just playing the game are just playing the game, they're not holding the rest of the game up by refusing to enter transit doors or elevators, they're just playing the game

[compact cargo]

You can edit your scoreboard value reg if you go into the mod itself, so you can give yourself multipliers to x stat.

[fluid knot]

Seems like a lot of work for what you could achieve just by not being dogshit but ok

[lethal lagoon]

Ugh, don't say that out loud

[compact cargo]

They somehow always get a buddy so you can force them out too

[wind halo]

Who would be so pathetic to do that

[summer prairie]

well that only changes your local stats

[lethal lagoon]

I've had enough back when posting fake perfect items was the trend.

[compact cargo]

Which you take as a screenshot and send it to steam for internet points.

[fluid knot]

Only people i vote kick are those who're actually being actual dirtbags, racists etc

If someone is being a liability, oh well, just carry harder

[compact cargo]

I mean for extraction

[lethal lagoon]

Literally anytime someone's earned a votekick, they are never queueing alone

[compact cargo]

You can't force players to extract unless you are 3 in the area

[wind halo]

Step backwards from Vermintide

[compact cargo]

So the 2 farmers can keep hitting horde till bored

Or it stops

[fluid knot]

Well depending on the event you can just let em get pancaked, which usually doesnt take long

Seen one guy try it on Hab an he died within 30s

[lethal lagoon]

Hab ending area is so good though

I wish it was a bit longer

[fluid knot]

Whole mission is pretty good now tbh

[compact cargo]

I wish this happened more often, ai director needs to snort the lines he does when we hit middle point by 14 minutes

[fluid knot]

Went from D tier to like A+ tier in one patch

[plucky flax]

Hab dreyko end event.

[lethal lagoon]

When you are actually in a panic and the last guy alive, fuck it's so good.

t6 when, it's been forever since I've had that.

[compact cargo]

Hab Dreyko end event is the carrying event.

[fluid knot]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1056910431412822086/1175512997733601402/5gocq88pb11c1.webp?ex=657df5ca&is=656b80ca&hm=6750b503e7ea707b29bace4cb871c184445ee76aa17ded68cc10e1ce7a159f79&

[severe folio]

no its not fun

[golden tartan]

Thats the giant nurgle tree one right?

[compact cargo]

You will kill
You will scan
And your entire team will be dead

[plucky flax]

Yeah I don't find it that fun because teammates never do objectives.

[severe folio]

they need to rehabilitate the director

[golden tartan]

🤔

[plucky flax]

When I'm not on stealth zealot it's extremely painful.

[fair spruce]

just start yelling

[fluid knot]

Yeah no... if anything, every end event should be like that in Auric Damn/Maelstrom

Keep the weaklings out

[compact cargo]

clutches are not bad atleast, the revive is not exposed to snipers

[fair spruce]

AHL PERTEC WOLKE TOLKE SMOL WHOZIT GUNNA BE

[golden tartan]

Ngl Ive never actually felt that one was notably harder than others.

[plucky flax]

When the ragers gang drop down from one of the hole.

[lethal lagoon]

The new map is pretty good, they just need to fix the entrance camping.

[golden tartan]

Yea this. Theres plenty of cover to work

[half iron]

ummmm among us

[fair spruce]

they will jump at being the first to say me, I'll scan

[lethal lagoon]

If I can't lose at the ending event, it's a pure waste of time.

Like smelter

Just let me leave motherfuckers

[golden tartan]

Smelter is dogshit

I give you that

Wtf is that end event

[compact cargo]

Unlike certain mid hacking event with sniper corvearge of the entire area

[fair spruce]

smelter is fantastic

[fluid knot]

Eh, i dont think it would make any difference, people would just camp the next easiest spot

[fair spruce]

stop huddling up at the door like small animals

[golden tartan]

Archivum sycorax end event is also snooze

[fair spruce]

take the waves on the bridge

[lethal lagoon]

On release, 100%. Now? It's easy mode.

[tame venture]

man, what are you supposed to even do with that one, it's such a shitshow almost every time

[half iron]

smelter is epic when you don’t have someone in your ear talking about how ass it is

[fair spruce]

and the prson to push the most enemies into the center hole wins

[severe folio]

is the nurgle tree everyone most disliked end event

[fair spruce]

MAULER

MOR LYK

FALLER

[fluid knot]

Smelter needs Hab spawns, but all the way through that event

[fair spruce]

HAW HAWHAWHAW HAW

[compact cargo]

Hug each other

[fluid knot]

Then let us leave without waiting at the end

[lethal lagoon]

@fair spruce In other words its so fucking boring you have to go insane to make it fun.

[compact cargo]

If your team does a scan ball, the event goes quite well

[golden tartan]

Move as a unit in either a clockwise or counterclockwise direction around the map

[fair spruce]

hey yall think what you want to

[severe folio]

scan ball ?

[fluid knot]

Nah, i dont think so, its disliked by people not capable of doing it, its liked by everyone who is

[golden tartan]

Only split up if you know ur good

[plucky flax]

Silo cluster end event.

Is also extremely hard.

[fair spruce]

personally I enjoy that level start to finish

[compact cargo]

Issues come when you realise you have to coordinate with pubbers, so it becomes a hard carry instead

[severe folio]

then what is your most disliked end event

[fair spruce]

I would agree with what yall are saying, but then we'd all be wrong

[golden tartan]

I usually just stick to one guy and keep them up

[lethal lagoon]

Have an Ogryn or a stealth zealot solo the event while you fight for your lives 🤷‍♂️

[golden tartan]

And help them move towards a scan point

[compact cargo]

I stick with the person that dealt most damage if ogryn isn't around

[plucky flax]

Stealth zealot is super clutch there for scanning.

[hoary badge]

Climb the tree and laugh at your teammates getting roasted below

[golden tartan]

I just pick one guy at random lol

[severe folio]

i dont like any end event because thats when the most enemies spawn in the mission, and it lag my game out

[fluid knot]

Probably Ouiblette, just because its a fucking snoozefest, the other asassination can throw a bunch of shit at you during the boss fight, that one is just stand below the balcony and eviscerate the boss

[golden tartan]

Usually the guy who actually scans

[lethal lagoon]

I think there has to be a secret mmr, because I don't understand how the people I pub with in hab dreyko ever win a mission.

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-office-dwight-schrute-sniper-gif-25130487

[lethal lagoon]

Maybe they pair people with high win rates with low ones, I dunno.

[compact cargo]

grawr that's gonna end badly if it's one of those paint enjoyers you wouldn't follow a only ranged vet

[fair spruce]

you have to walk the skull around the tree directly underneath or it'll get hung up

[severe folio]

which one is that again

[plucky flax]

You're saying you don't scan?

[fair spruce]

it's not tough it's just hectic

[fluid knot]

The one that has the start int sewer

[golden tartan]

He gets to feel the shame of me picking him up the floor three fucking times in a row

[urban sandal]

tbf the beginning and end of hab dreyko can be pretty nuts

[fair spruce]

I love the high stakes dash to the exit ship at the end

[fluid knot]

The mission is fun, but the end event is shiet

[tame venture]

the one that ends in the enforcer station?

[golden tartan]

Note: I run revive shout. Its not optimal but it lets me babysit the bad pubbies

[fluid knot]

Ye

[golden tartan]

Kekrat:

[lethal lagoon]

They have no shame. They just yell at you for picking them up too slow.

[compact cargo]

Oh they brought wounds? Daring are we

[golden tartan]

Thats why i have revive shout

[severe folio]

ah that one

[fair spruce]

the assassination mission that isn't the one with the leman russ right at the beginning on the bridge

[compact cargo]

The new wave of pubbies not bringing wounds is worse than the 4 wounds folk

[golden tartan]

Frankly non revive shout is better, but i find revive shout helps bad teammates more

[compact cargo]

Atleast 4 wounds I can carry

[lethal lagoon]

The short assassination mission is so awkward. Huge fight to get to the boss, and the boss is just super meh.

[compact cargo]

2 wounds pubbies

they gone

can't save em

[golden tartan]

Poof

[hoary badge]

And you get the rare dialogue mocking chronic horizontalists as a bonus

[fair spruce]

it is a strength to look at someone who just got downed and say nope, we can't save them

[lethal lagoon]

I wish missions gave you 100% of your plasteel even if you lost, so fatshark could just crank the difficulty without people whining.

[golden tartan]

Yep

[compact cargo]

u turn around 1 second and ragdoll to the floor

[fair spruce]

and continue not dying yourselves

you have to know when to let them learn from their mistakes

[golden tartan]

I have a plasmagun build specifically meant for carrying horizontals lmao

[fair spruce]

and focus on getting to the rescue

[compact cargo]

"My beloved says you should stop falling down."

I love dreamer

[tame venture]

that would jsut promote throwing games

[golden tartan]

I somehow managed to keep a psyker who blew up NINE TIMES on carnival alive

[lethal lagoon]

That's literally what I was thinking after I said it.

Sadge

[golden tartan]

NINE

[compact cargo]

Grawr that was just 2 pox busters in s trench coat

[fluid knot]

Rarely hear that one tbh, because usually its the psyker dying on repeat loop these days, ah well, makes a change from Vet

[golden tartan]

Fuck

[fair spruce]

your weeklies still count win or lose

as do penances

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker crazy laugh with the new mask is pretty great

[compact cargo]

Not many good psykers nowadays

[golden tartan]

Its not even hard to be a decent psyket

[fluid knot]

No sadly not, because all the vet mains who felt like they got "nerfed" all moved onto Psyker

[golden tartan]

:c

[fair spruce]

because they're all too busy not aiming with AssFail instead of cementing the entire map in place with smite

[compact cargo]

Yeah....not hard to be s decent ogryn either and look

[fair spruce]

for the team to kill

[compact cargo]

[golden tartan]

The guys who never learnt to melee? Yep

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker pub players have convinced me psyker is actually the weakest class

[plucky flax]

Yeah I don't see any good psyker players they all bottom frag. Psyker need buffs.
(Me included)

[fluid knot]

Yeah... those ones

[golden tartan]

Yeeeeeep

[fair spruce]

too busy chasin that brain burst og shock staff damage

https://tenor.com/view/catharsis-canada-canadian-comedy-second-city-gif-14152752

[severe folio]

i cannot hear the difference the masks make to your voices

[fluid knot]

Its funny tho, because its probably one of the strongest along with Ogg

[compact cargo]

Assail attracted a lot of no aim folk too
Nothint worse than realising your psyker brought purgatus 10 minutes into the mission

[lyric burrow]

Id say its def 2nd to ogg

[golden tartan]

Psyker is notably squisher than prenerf vet

[lethal lagoon]

Don't even get me started on shield oggs who just stand there. Bro, you are already immortal, what's the shield for?

[fluid knot]

Vet wasnt nerfed

[golden tartan]

Like the offense is GOOD, but the survivability isnt zealot

[fair spruce]

had a psucker bring a flamer staff to a scab only melee only mission

sir.

[golden tartan]

Sorry. Unwavering vet

[fair spruce]

half the map is crushers

and you brought blue road flares

[lyric burrow]

It shouldnt be tbf esp with our toughness gen

[golden tartan]

Cos lets be honest unwavering pinning vet was bullshit and did deserve a nerf

[plucky flax]

[lethal lagoon]

He was a super pro psyker who could quickly get uncanny up while the crushers are burning and did 1mil+ damage, right?

[fluid knot]

Still happens though.. sadly Reddit and Steam forums are not exactly gold-mines of information

[golden tartan]

I will say that compared to that bullshit build. Vet is worse. Rightfullly so

[fair spruce]

he had a million damage in his scoreboard list for sure

damage taken

[hoary badge]

let him cook

[compact cargo]

We generate toughness for existing, we got kinetic block and big stam regen

So the survive loop goes, dodge till exhaust, loose dps and block to recover dodge, repet

But since this is not the usual for other classes, people take hits and go from having 220 hp down to 50

[lethal lagoon]

Youtube tier lists just won't stop with putting shield at s-tier, god why.

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah totally, it was broken an enabled so many bad players to puch well above thier weight

[fair spruce]

because it solves every problem but I can't jump up there to hit you

[golden tartan]

Remember pre 12 vet had perma 75% DR, 200 base tou and regens 25+25% on elite kill

[fluid knot]

Nowdays shield is pretty good tbh, but the plant is still absolute dogwater

[compact cargo]

I forgor

[lyric burrow]

Old vet was disgusting

[golden tartan]

Thats the bullshit the guys were used to

[fair spruce]

I've used shield almost exclusively since I was whatever rank I could first buy one

[plucky flax]

Shield has great horde clear.

[fair spruce]

I used it when it sucked

[compact cargo]

Reddit and steam still think shield is mandatory past heresy

[lyric burrow]

Soften em up really let's shield cook

[golden tartan]

Ya. Thank god that bullshit got nerfed

[fair spruce]

and now I'm so untouchable I have to let them hit me so t he team doesn't start thinking I'm using hacks

[fluid knot]

reddit and steam dont play above Heresy

[golden tartan]

But any sane vet not abusing P12 meta was buffed

Sooo

[compact cargo]

They claim they do with their modified scoreboard

[golden tartan]

Woop

[compact cargo]

[plucky flax]

Shield heavy 2 for the big cleave on horde

[fair spruce]

it's not mandatory, but bringing a shield makes your teammates take less damage and do a fuckton more

[golden tartan]

Ok this is a new fking low

Jesus fuck

[lyric burrow]

Bolter + old p sword vet meant everyone else simply did not need to play the game

[lethal lagoon]

Vet was in my opinion supposed to be a high skill class. It's an FPS dude in a fantasy world. You are supposed to have great FPS skills. They finally moved in that direction(mostly).

[golden tartan]

Kinda?

[fair spruce]

shield easymodes sniper gauntlets, lights out or vent purge

[golden tartan]

Vet atm is relatively forgiving if you know the fundamentals

[fluid knot]

Yeah this.. It now actually does require you to be a good shot

[plucky flax]

Plasma cleave means you don't need to aim.

[lyric burrow]

Tbh melee vet feels better than shooter vet atm

To me

[golden tartan]

But yea you actually need to aim for most guns

[fluid knot]

Use Marksman's

[lethal lagoon]

I mean this isn't a competitive FPS game, so we are talking relatively.

[fluid knot]

Vraks VII, Boltgun, both slap with Marksman's

[fair spruce]

shield lets you square up to a t5 auric mael dogpack and knock them back as they pounce while the team screams behind toyu

[lyric burrow]

Mostly cause mk6 psword is cracked

[golden tartan]

Tbf melee vet atm is a hybrid cos weapon spec stronk

[fair spruce]

easymodes demons, easymodes any melee pack up to crushers

[lethal lagoon]

Feel no pain and take 0 damage from a sniper shot

[compact cargo]

Checked steam screenshots and was just...why

[lethal lagoon]

Why shield when you are a shield

[plucky flax]

Shield enjoyer

[fluid knot]

Yeah... its one of those things that i have no idea about why it got buffed

[steel sluice]

You have no idea just how obsessed most vet mains are with that scoreboard mod

[golden tartan]

Id say psyker is probably trickier to pick up than vet atm but yea

Potato potahto

[fair spruce]

the trade off is YOU don't do much bigly yuge lookit me damage numbers

YOU knock the teeth out of everything so the teammates stop screaming and start teaming

[lyric burrow]

Im actually glad they made it interestingly different from mk3 but kept its horde clear which made it just better

[fair spruce]

I am busy af the entire time every mission and my damage can easily be a quarter of the top and half the third place

[spiral mist]

hey guys is disurpt destiny still bugged or some shit?

[fair spruce]

as soon as it clicks in your teammates heads what you're doing

[spiral mist]

its useless right

[fluid knot]

Sure, the different moveset was a cool addition, but the way the weapon works is often quite gamebreaking

[lethal lagoon]

It's good like 95% of the time.

[hoary badge]

I thought Revolver was already in a pretty good spot post rework as well

[fair spruce]

nobody ever says another word about you not pulling your weight or doing enough damage again

[fluid knot]

Like yeah.. all the damage, great ADMs, huge stagger.... Not really very well balanced

[lyric burrow]

Dd is fine imo

[golden tartan]

Revolver buff was unneeded.

Hellbore bayo buff uh

Was...

Poorly timed

[compact cargo]

Helbore bayo buff...

[severe folio]

heh, good 95% of the time

[lethal lagoon]

DD can randomly stop adding stacks during a mission, but it's a rare bug.

[plucky flax]

I wish shield has thunderous.

[compact cargo]

Wat...

[golden tartan]

Cos they needes to fix the exploit first

[severe folio]

unfortunately, we are here to use whatever left

[fair spruce]

because they recognize YOU are the reason THEY get to shine so bright flossing on the entire mission

[compact cargo]

They didn't fix the exploit

[golden tartan]

Theres an exploit atm that makes the bayo stupid

[compact cargo]

Ye I saw

[fair spruce]

YOU make their mission more fun

[golden tartan]

So the buff just made the bayo bullshit

[fluid knot]

I wouldnt go that far pal

[lyric burrow]

Its defense being bad makes it almost work it just needs worse horde clear imo

[golden tartan]

Hi yes i wanna get more boss dps than a thammer zealot

Lol

[fluid knot]

Its decent, its not godly-gonna make your team better by running it

[compact cargo]

Bayo comes pre installed with AAF

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its got annoying bugs

[severe folio]

yes granpa, let's get you to bed

[fair spruce]

I recognize past a certain skill threshold the team has less and less need of what you do to support them

and also you then fall further and further behind on output because they're competent players

but aint nobody balking at seeing me and Shiel Harmstronk in their auric mael

[golden tartan]

My GPU crying

[fair spruce]

cuz the moment it starts to turn to shit, there I am to say naw we fine back at em lads

[golden tartan]

(I kid)

[compact cargo]

Duo auric will always be fun, pubs tend to desintegrate so you get some broship clutching

[fair spruce]

also overuse like with any weapon builds dependency and reduces your thinking and acting with other playstyles

[urban sandal]

the last time I was in the middle of a duo clutch in auric I blew myself up at the worst possible time

[golden tartan]

Perfect.

Just as planned

Tzeentchen cackle

[compact cargo]

For my beloved! Ragdolls

[viscid matrix]

Practice edging to prevent that from happening

[fair spruce]

I have a very hard time monke brain processing NO. WALKING. INTO. ALL. THE. SHOOTERS.

[urban sandal]

I'm a female seer too accurate

[fair spruce]

when it's hectic

[lethal lagoon]

Just run 200 toughness and do it anyways

[fair spruce]

cuz my shuck and jive thinks I've got the shield for half my advancement just run straight at em

[compact cargo]

Psyker with deflector on his way to charge up toughness by blocking bullets:

Enemy gunners? Free toughness

[viscid matrix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1180189422151536781/Edging_Practice.mp4?ex=657c840d&is=656a0f0d&hm=e42153076fa3a89b5887e9ea4deff26f97353a929515c5752717ab17ff4a22dd&

[fair spruce]

yep, when I play my sparkhead it's deflector obscurus, voidstrike or trauma, smite, shield, and empowered

[urban sandal]

my only build atm is dclaw/trauma/bb

[fair spruce]

I weigh 85 pounds in my armor missing a leg and an eye

maintank.

smite has really impressed me so far with the tiny little tricks and opportunites you can squeeze out of which attack you choose, how long you hold it for, what you do after etc

[compact cargo]

Illsi voidstrike
Dueling sword hh
Surge dclaw
Deimos Purgatus
And the fun knife recon las for when I don't wanna contribute anything but ammo inhaling

[fair spruce]

there's a ton of little bullet points you notice and suddenly the mission took ten less minutes and you took 50 damage

chainsword/laspistol is also BIGG GIGG

[compact cargo]

I love the anti speedrun measures
Most of the time it's a patrol Behind you

That agroes way too late

[fair spruce]

I haven't really found my perfect talent setup

but the laspistol push

[steel sluice]

I love when the anti speedrun stuff catches the lone zealot rushing ahead then they ragequit

[severe folio]

i prefer it when the team kick the speedrunner out more

right when its getting good for them

[steel sluice]

My teams never use kick

[compact cargo]

Kicking is heresy apparently in pubs

[steel sluice]

I don’t think pubs know it exists XD

[compact cargo]

So the best is to force them into accidents

[fair spruce]

you can pull shit off that's so unironic pro gamer move the rest of the heretics are just

until you get to them too

[fluid knot]

Been messing about with Bleed Knife an Purgatus of late, its not amazing, but its very rewarding to play an you can quite easily deal with bosses

DoT stack go brrr

[compact cargo]

I got my butter knife already I'll give it a shot

[fair spruce]

if you can live with the shame of wilfully bringing a knife to a literal half hour gunfight

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/darktide-mutant-warhammer-40k-darktide-mutant-gif-1118053842768353546

[severe folio]

they should have add something to psyker to capitalize on other DoT

[fluid knot]

Dewit, stagger an apply DoT with Purga LMB, stab for bleed DoT, rinse an repeat

[fair spruce]

yeah I see how it could add up

[compact cargo]

OwO a swappy build

[fluid knot]

Can deal with Rager packs pretty cleanly

[steel sluice]

Poison cloud staff?

[compact cargo]

now I really wanna try it

[fluid knot]

But it is pretty hard

[fair spruce]

even considering bringing a purg staff stabs me with a pang of guilt

[compact cargo]

Idc, I don't want peace, I just want problems always

[urban sandal]

an ability to remove the DoT but it does all the damage at once for burst dps on an individual target

[fair spruce]

I'd be cheating on my flamer

[glossy ember]

me and the boys going to the gym on the 2nd of january (we won't last a week)

[fluid knot]

Well you'll have fun then, just take BB so your ranged capability isnt totally neutered

[severe folio]

blazing spirit could have been that effect

[echo turtle]

I just tried out an uncanny/slaught illisi in a scriers gaze DD build

Holy crap, the damage gets insane

[compact cargo]

Grawr, this is how you know your steam has over 200 messages and some smooth brains are debating

[severe folio]

you join steam groups ?

[compact cargo]

no

Steam DISCUSSIONS

[severe folio]

eh

[obtuse walrus]

[severe folio]

mute them

[primal blade]

Fr this is my steam every time the avp2010 community starts having a bitch fit over something

[compact cargo]

no

[obtuse walrus]

Just leave

[compact cargo]

NO

I must see the brainrot

[severe folio]

youre not eating blue cheese

[primal blade]

The brain rot of steam forums is so immense I'm pretty sure it is nurgle's garden

[severe folio]

votann psyop

[golden tartan]

-Lmao

Where the fuck are they doing that

[compact cargo]

This time it's not in Darktide, it's bg3

[golden tartan]

Ah

Ok who is the simp

There always is one

[fluid knot]

Lel

[compact cargo]

THere's hordes of them, the discussion is about something something, hidden shadow governament controlling romances in bg3

[golden tartan]

...

wad

[compact cargo]

like that time people claimed Fatshark made all faces in dt ugly because of some agenda

when it's just, fatshark can't make non-drug addicted faces, as seen by vt2

Immesurably complex

[golden tartan]

Dude all the people in BG3 are DTF. Thats literally the opposite of control lmao.

People truly be dumb

[fluid knot]

People are fucking weird man.. Swear social media has fucked a lot of people's heads right up

[lyric burrow]

Social media does not help lol

[compact cargo]

I am 100% it's not steam that is the source of brain rot, it's just people with brainrot from other sources that go to the first thing that is nearby, steam, to express their conspiracies

Even reddit has some self awareness every few months

[golden tartan]

Yep

[severe folio]

the apple is not the source of infection, but the worm

regardless, the apple is now rotten

[fluid knot]

I blame twatter and farcebook

[compact cargo]

[golden tartan]

🤔

[lyric burrow]

That and the young age people start using social media at

[golden tartan]

Found the dude that uses only infantry lasguns

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. ngl if i had sprogs of my own they wouldnt be going near it till they was old enough to know thierselves a bit

[golden tartan]

No melee. Just lasgun

[fluid knot]

Shit does youngsters no favours

[compact cargo]

"It all fires red"

[golden tartan]

Like we have more diversity in how guns feel than fucking CoD

Oh wait

shouldnt have used the floor as a bar

my bad

[lyric burrow]

Yeah im not "dont let the kids leave the house" but full access to the internet will teach them some shit

[compact cargo]

Our story is also better

[golden tartan]

Wha- oh

[lyric burrow]

Gunplay in this game is unmatched for me

[golden tartan]

BigJ overhere took out the double barreled elephant gun for the murder here

[fluid knot]

DayZ wins the gunplay contest for me ngl

[compact cargo]

Ready or not for me

[lyric burrow]

Ready or not has good Gunplay yeah

Borderlands 3 as well imo

Bit less so with time

[compact cargo]

"We have a barricated suspect in the building."
Sprays into building "Ok they gone now"

[fluid knot]

Hit an miss, has some high points, others are kinda shidd

Never played Ready or Not tho

[compact cargo]

Like the game in general!

[fluid knot]

Yeah aint that the truth

[lyric burrow]

The sound design is what makes bl3s for me

And good visual effects

[compact cargo]

The big numbers floating always gets me

[lyric burrow]

2s is also still good honestly

[compact cargo]

They always get that part very right

[golden tartan]

I will say DT's gunplay isnt very polished, but its deffo diverse and novel.

its not actually just 20 different variants of the same damn thing (looking at you Tarkov)

[compact cargo]

BIG NUMBER, BIG DOPAMINE

[fluid knot]

I liked all the funky interactions between different gear, but a lot about BL3 annoyed me intensely

[golden tartan]

the braced auto mks have more variant than all the SMGs in that game

[severe folio]

i dont get it

[golden tartan]

lol

[compact cargo]

It's also more than just, peek, fire, run, fire and jump fire
Which is why I hate fps

[lyric burrow]

I liked 3 minus the villain

[golden tartan]

Ye

Dark tide has a LOT going on in the movement

[fluid knot]

Idk, i want Tarkov gun-porn to be in more games

[golden tartan]

Plz no

[compact cargo]

Plz no

[golden tartan]

Moderation is fine

[fluid knot]

Yes, let us fuck with our guns properly

[golden tartan]

but we dont need AK-101 through 1901283071239807129803712987312

[fluid knot]

Thats not what i meant

[compact cargo]

I mean

[fluid knot]

I mean the ability to fully customize weapons

[lyric burrow]

I need to be able to check if theres a laser in my las gun chamber tbh

[compact cargo]

Imagine running around and suddenly this monster pops out

[fluid knot]

Could have one gun, but if its got a bazzillion different bits you can add to it, thats good

[severe folio]

we'll get fully customize weapon if we had a crafting system

[golden tartan]

Tbh in Tarkov I barely customized cos im a fking rat

My favourite gun is a SVD... with no mods

no scope

no nothing

[severe folio]

no SVD as well

[lyric burrow]

I wouldn't mind customization for sure tho

[golden tartan]

I dont mind customization within reason

[lyric burrow]

Thankfully the mod exists

[fluid knot]

Hopefully the next major overhaul is crafting, they know full well that it pisses a lot of us off, an i've heard tell it pisses off the playtesters too despite them having access to unlimited resources

[severe folio]

i cant see customization exist till 2 years

[golden tartan]

But one of the issues ive found with customization is... it doesnt actually promote diversity most of the time

[severe folio]

not until we have something differently with the craft system

[golden tartan]

cos people just gravitate towards the "meta" anyway

[severe folio]

well because customization doesnt promote diversity

we arent asking for it to promote diversity either

[compact cargo]

They still gotta reroll till Hadron drops them the desired weapon parameters?

[golden tartan]

I think customization would be better if it was purely cosmetic

[lyric burrow]

Idk why they wouldn't overhaul this, instant minimum 50% playerbase increase

[fluid knot]

People will do that no matter what bells an whistles you give em, look at the DT playerbase

[severe folio]

it promote control over your own weapon

[fluid knot]

Literally, if not more

[fluid knot]

Yep

[golden tartan]

Cos people would actually make guns to look interesting

[severe folio]

and I want a lot of control in the weapon that I own

[compact cargo]

[fluid knot]

So I've heard anyway

[golden tartan]

rather than following meta build

[golden tartan]

Does it give you more control though?

[lyric burrow]

Maybe thats why some blessings suck

[golden tartan]

Or are you just gonna slap the same mods everyone does on it cos its effective

[lyric burrow]

Play testers cant roll them to test them

[compact cargo]

I wish it was only "some" and not most
Poor Crusher only has 1 good blessing

[severe folio]

that is control

because I can do that

[fluid knot]

Yes, because if something feels good, even if its just due to the aesthetics of the weapon in question, you'll be more effective with it

[golden tartan]

I mean you can do that with blessings

[severe folio]

instead right now i am waiting until the game give me the gun that do so

[golden tartan]

You realize you are gonna need to farm for attachments too right?

[severe folio]

Just blessing and perks alone isnt enough

I dont care whatever i have to farm for

[golden tartan]

Attachments basically is just gonna be a type of perk

[compact cargo]

Grawr, you don't understand, even in dt despite having a rather clear set of blessings that are better than the rest
People still run hammerblow on light sword

[severe folio]

I just want the ability to make my gun the way I exactly want it

[fluid knot]

We have literally no clue what form a crafting rework would take

[golden tartan]

Unless Fatshark pulls something so novel it has never been seen in the industry

...

yea all attachment systems require some level of farming

or "progression"

[severe folio]

what else hasnt been seen in the industry except for all the unovel stuffs

[hoary badge]

Give us Swift Slaying and Scavenger on every weapon and we'll have a 500% playerbase increase

[golden tartan]

I dont think fatshark is gonna be novel here

[compact cargo]

Give rev it up to all evis

[golden tartan]

ngl

[compact cargo]

Something something track record

[fluid knot]

Its not hard, simply lock all base stats at 80%, and then have attachments add or subtract up to 20% modifiers, at a few % per attachment. Sure there would be a "meta" but it wouldnt be so significant as to redefine the gameplay of a weapon

[severe folio]

if they do their game will die within a week

[golden tartan]

... So everyone picks damage and stopping power and dumps mobility

[severe folio]

because they dont have nearly enough contents for everyone to surf all of this with

[compact cargo]

don't forget dumping defense because the swing speed increase is not noticeable

[golden tartan]

Might as well just move the needle there at that point

[fluid knot]

They could, they could also make a gun with loads of recoil easier to handle, or alternatively, they could just build it to look the way they like, and not care about stats on quite a number of weapons

[golden tartan]

Im ok with cosmetic attachments and think that would actually be more interesting than mechanical attachments

[fluid knot]

Like who the fuck gives a damn about 5 extra damage per shot on an IAG, it makes so little difference its meaningless

[compact cargo]

Ogryn needs a weapon with a flashlight tho

please

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. another possibility of a system like that

[severe folio]

No

use your own bullet for that

[lyric burrow]

Those crusher breakpoints tho

[fluid knot]

It'd be only a handful of weapons which would really benifit in all seriousness

[lyric burrow]

I agree

[fluid knot]

I have Braced AG's with like 60% damage an there is like literally 3 damage per shot difference to an 80% roll

[golden tartan]

Then you just take more ammo.

Like every gun will have its own "meta" choices

[lyric burrow]

Stats in the game are weird

[golden tartan]

As is right now

[lyric burrow]

Now thats a gun

[compact cargo]

[severe folio]

remind me of shadow gun deadzone

[golden tartan]

P o g

[compact cargo]

bricked by stats, bricked by attachments

hell it may even be bricked by Hadron

[golden tartan]

The heaviest brick

Ogryn Rock Approved

[severe folio]

but it doesnt matter that everyone will set their weapon stat to meta if we get the ability to adjust our stat

Because we don't even have the ability to experiment with other stat to begin with

[golden tartan]

It... basically just means nothing much changes

[fluid knot]

Oh no, it takes one extra bullet to drop a shotgunner.. like bruh

Thats just not relevant at all

[golden tartan]

As in you take more ammo stat

-,-

Like theres always "the better stat" on a gun

[severe folio]

we have to rely RNG to get a weapon with specific stat to know how they work

[fluid knot]

Still, even a lot of those are also meaningless in the grand scheme of things, see Columnus IAG

[severe folio]

The one thing changes is that we get to choice to do something when we want to do it

[golden tartan]

Thats a seperate issue tbh.

[compact cargo]

Current system already has this

So may as well give more freedom

[severe folio]

yeah current system we already chasing the meta

[golden tartan]

Might as well just make it so people can buy a gun at the stats they want

[compact cargo]

so newcomers don't have to spend massive amounts of hours

[golden tartan]

No need for attachments

[severe folio]

the only reason why we aren't not chasing the meta

[golden tartan]

just build your weapon how you want it

[severe folio]

is because of our much it cost to get a weapon that we want

[compact cargo]

in a perfect world every blessing would be good at something, so a single weapon can have several "builds" within it
that's imposible tho and add fatshark on top, about 30% of blessings are good

[severe folio]

Well you cant build a weapon how you want it lol

Because you are not building that weapon

its being handed to you predetermined stat

[golden tartan]

Better idea, just get rid of stats

:D

[compact cargo]

yes

[severe folio]

better idea, just get rid of you

[compact cargo]

stats just confuse new players I brought to the game

[golden tartan]

Who needs stats anyway

:)

[wind halo]

Bring back Vermintide system ez

[hoary badge]

I always just took my non 80 IV maxed weapons out in the field and got a feel for it

[severe folio]

if theres no stat theres no numbers

if theres no numbers theres no game

[patent wing]

i run a smite-shriek soulblaze build with surge staff and i dont really have a free point for Lightning Storm, how important is it?

[golden tartan]

As in just make every base weapon the same

problem solved

[severe folio]

how about i nuke your home

how about that

problem solved we dont have to listen to you anymore

[golden tartan]

I mean that would be a warcrime and you also would need to get a nuke

[hoary badge]

It's not like difficulty in this game demands optimal % modifiers

[half iron]

i put people in the corpse starch factory to become corpse starch

[fluid knot]

Blessing and Crafting rework int same patch would be godly ngl

Give it to me

[golden tartan]

The stats barely matter anyway apart from being a money sink

[fluid knot]

[severe folio]

since we are in psyker chat

and in psyker the blaze trauma exist

i cant say stat barely matter

[golden tartan]

It barely matters apart from being a money sink

If you have the money it doesnt matter

[severe folio]

that doesnt mean its a good thing

[patent wing]

Lightning Storm important yes no?

[severe folio]

and that doesnt mean nothing should be done about it

[golden tartan]

Ergo if we get rid of stats it no longer is a money sink

:D

[hoary badge]

Have you actually ran a blaze trauma with less than ideal stats?

[severe folio]

I have

[compact cargo]

DT is one of the few games where there is no endgame
You have a very high posibility of never getting a weapon that is perfect and can say "that's it, I don't need to grind it anymore", because EVEN if you roll a 380 monster that hadron doesn't brick, fatshark may eventually add a better blessing or nerf the existing ones in your weapon and you are forced to re-grind, again.

[fading depot]

You've described every MMO

[severe folio]

yeah thats a problem

he describe DT but it sound like an MMO

is DT an MMO ?

[compact cargo]

exactly the issue

[golden tartan]

Hot take, endgames in this genre dont exist

Never have

[fading depot]

Is it really? I've beaten Maelstroms with sub-500 rating gear before

[compact cargo]

Vt2

[severe folio]

Never have

[golden tartan]

What endgame

[half iron]

dt is an mmo-lite to me. still, i like mmos so

[compact cargo]

In vt2 endgame was to get full reds and go shoot the elf

[severe folio]

well endgame exist in VT2 prob because its done deal