which staff seems the "bonkiest"
#psyker-class
half iron
or combat knife left jab scrier’s gaze
untold niche
:(
untold widget
ponch boi?
untold widget
honestly, if I could just have no weapon and bare knuckle box with gaze I would
half iron
i would too
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muscle wizard casts fist
vast yew
I mean Psykers have done silly stuff with their bare hands in lore
Magic fists would work
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if Darktide was a VR game like Blades and Sorcerery
vast yew
Gimme a Falcon Punch that costs Peril
untold widget
grab the ragers weapons, channel the warp through him
half iron
Gimme a Falcon Punch that costs Peril
would be cooler than ass fail. i would also be able to inspect my hands
violet oak
Block a crushers overhead (explode in the process)
untold widget
take the ragers weapons, throw them at a sniper
vast yew
would be cooler than ass fail. i would also be able to inspect my hands
You can inspect hands with smite or BB
half iron
You can inspect hands with smite or BB
exactly that’s why i use those
violet oak
You can
urban sandal
yeah
half iron
hasnt been reciprocated yet <:Sitgryn:1016269420638765107>
same
i even carress the backs of ogryns
cinder crown
wat is diff with charging smite and quick fire?
cinder crown
oki
vast yew
Idk it’s been a while since I didn’t charge it I might be dead wrong
I usually only pull it out when there’s 20 ragers that need to be stunned RIGHT NOW
vast yew
It’s damage is bad for hordes, unless you use EP
violet oak
i prefer the pre-edit
cinder crown
EP?
vast yew
My autocorrect is doing numbers on me FR
violet oak
no no, let it cook
vast yew
Empowered Psionics, middle keystone
cinder crown
oki
vast yew
Gives smite a massive damage boost, but even then is a bit weird
I run Smite on my Voidstrike Staff build, where I use the staff or melee weapon 95% of the time
But it’s for emergency stuns
cinder crown
im having fun with surge
vast yew
Surge Smite to be Emperor Palpatine is also fun
cinder crown
does it matter wher u aim with it? also does it do less dmg when it chains to nearby?
vast yew
Aim doesn’t matter, chain does less damage for Surge, not sure about Smite cuz it’s damage is low anyways
cinder crown
ok
vast yew
Surge is also currently bugged so it’s a bit weird, can still use it though
But it will be a bit better once they fix it
(Sometimes it hits the “wrong” armor type on enemies with multiple armor types)
burnt maple
is Terrifying Barrage still garbage? i heard something about it being better but i have doubts
vast yew
Pretty sure still garbage
lunar hollow
is Terrifying Barrage still garbage? i heard something about it being better but...
still ass
twilit sand
what do i put on this bad boi?
twilit sand
i mean i figured its only a .1 difference from what it is to max charge rate so its not a big loss
vast yew
It adds up when trying to chain fire them into a pack of Ragers
But not the end of the world, no
vast yew
Idk id have to check the atheneum
vast yew
If you go Surge I’d go crit chance
If you go Flurry uhhh I think Maniacs is better?
Keep Carapace either way
You can mess around with it a bit
twilit sand
dont have surge yet so i will keep that in mind once i do, thanks!
vast yew
Surge is REALLY FUNNY with the True Aim talent
But Flurry is more consistent
(And you don’t need True Aim as badly)
severe folio
staff bonk also stagger crusher
vast yew
But sometimes Surge one-shots a Crusher and you laugh maniacally
vast yew
staff bonk also stagger crusher
I will admit I have never been brave enough to try this
But that is handy to know
twilit sand
im gunna try it now and hope its true lol
vast yew
Oh you have to charge it?
fair rover
hoarde killer
vast yew
As an aside this hotels WiFi is poopoo
Yoooo that is a sexy staff
Though I think it’d work out better with Nexus instead of Transfer
severe folio
vast yew
Transfer does make it completely brain dead though
WiFi pls
Actually hold on
lol the video loaded faster on mobile data
fair rover
Transfer does make it completely brain dead though
that is the point, just smite on certain parts of the hoardes and delete the rest without having to worry about peril
severe folio
pair that voidstrike with scrier gaze
vast yew
Well that’s cool, though I don’t know if I’m brave enough to try that
severe folio
nobody should try it because usually you get 2-3crushers
vast yew
pair that voidstrike with scrier gaze
Now that’s a fun idea
severe folio
transfer peril scrier voidstrike can reach 30 scrier stack
but you should remove the crit chance for a different damage type
on the perks
fair rover
pair that voidstrike with scrier gaze
i use purgatus with scriers. because it always procs empathic evasion
severe folio
purg has very fast fire rate that in itself already have substantial crit chances
fair rover
i know, but it becomes a 55%
severe folio
heres a purg with no scrier, see how often it crit and how often EE proc
and this is with low peril so no nexus either
vast yew
Do you run the crit aura for that build
fair rover
also this
severe folio
yeah the crit aura is on that purg
severe folio
would be everyone immediate choice otherwise
vast yew
Very true
ornate hamlet
I don't even mind that too much
But me being unable to get the toughness DR for peril just annoys me
sterile grove
hoarde killer
the purgatus:
severe folio
yeah
vast yew
At least with Purg you have shields and Empathic to keep you safe at range
Missing the toughness DR is sad though
My least favorite sacrifice is Assail locking you out of Psykinetic’s Aura
That one hurts a lot
vast yew
It’s the difference between… uhhh 22.5% and 27.5% crit chance at 0 peril I think
severe folio
isthat purg base crit
vast yew
So go from 1/5 crits to 1/4 crits, roughly?
I think so. 7.5 base, 5 perk, 5 minor node, 5 base Nexus
That gives the 22.5
Add 15 for max nexus puts you to 37.5, so crit aura takes you to 42.5
severe folio
seem right
vast yew
One of the things I enjoy about Psyker is it feels very build flexible. Lots of combinations that work as long as you put some thought into them
severe folio
except for no assail psykinetic aura
vast yew
Sadge
severe folio
the scrier purg is one thing
but the purgatus staff seem to stuck with the old psyker a lot
vent shriek, kinetic or seer, BB
warp siphon
vast yew
I mean WS is just so good it’s the right call on most builds IMO
DD is strong but it feels wacky to keep up
lunar hollow
15 stack DD w/ extra time on it feels super consistent with a gun + assail
vast yew
Meanwhile I only like EP with BB for the faster charge and 0 peril cost
vast yew
15 stack DD w/ extra time on it feels super consistent with a gun + assail
Yeah Gunker going DD feels right
spice veldt
warp siphon has the problem of being relatively point inefficient and requiring you to path through puppet master
lunar hollow
the only time u cant really get the blue guy is if you're out of ammo, out of assail, and at max peril. and this situation has a lot of overlap with being dead lol
severe folio
maybe should have swap between puppetmaster and warp rider haha
vast yew
Puppet Master is good though, especially with Psykinetic’s to buff team.
lunar hollow
i legit never take any kind of coherency shit unless forced to for pathing
it just doesn't have a tangible effect on the game for me
severe folio
maybe because of how psyker aura related talent feels
spice veldt
unless teammates are the type to be actively thinking about coherency benefits, I just do not care about coherency at all
especially when i'm pubbing
vast yew
That all said, Solidity is stonks
Don’t think I’ve ever made a build without it, except like Gunker, because Gunker
severe folio
solidity affect auto quell too right
vast yew
I… actually don’t know
spice veldt
i don't believe it does
it should only affect the interval between manual quell ticks
severe folio
yep
only manual quell
want BB to kept its wrack and ruin
would pair exceptionally well with EP
vast yew
PC do be kinda silly
vast yew
Wait wasn’t Wrack and Ruin the one that buffed damage
Oh nvm I was thinking of another talent
spice veldt
it was 4 stacks and 4m during patch 12 iirc
severe folio
lunar hollow
i still want a node to make BB explode shit based on the value of the target u blow up
ornate hamlet
exputer
strong gulch
Remember when they changed it to "on hit" vs "on kill"
vast yew
I would like pretty much anything to replace Kinetic Flayer
strong gulch
Would make EP BB more interesting for sure
severe folio
would make BB the new assail
i remember when warp siph is just, killing any enemy with a BB or 4% chance ally in coherence
then kinetic flayer had its merit
vast yew
Yeah then it had some purpose in life
Exploding a random Groaner gave you a Warp Charge
strong gulch
no
vast yew
severe folio
that staff is over
vast yew
You’d have to ask the Crusher politely if they can wait a few minutes while you Quell
strong gulch
yip
half iron
brunt offered me a 7% damage stub earlier
strong gulch
lol. Beans and Potatoes.
vast yew
I guess they could add text to Kinetic Flayer where it gives you a stack of your keystone passive
That’d be interesting at least
Would still prefer replacing it entirely
vast yew
I don’t think asking the Rogue Trader retinue member where they get stuff is going to get a legit answer
vast yew
Yeah but PC works off everything
fluid knot
Thats merely a by-product of the new tree
If WnR was still a thing, it too would have been changed to be on kill
vast yew
If that were true it would specify Blitz abilities
fluid knot
Again, by product of the new tree
severe folio
how do you know its a by product of new tree
fluid knot
Because it wouldnt make sense for it to be tied to specific blitz as it would kill build diversity
vast yew
If it were from the new tree explicitly it would specify “with your Blitz ability”
fluid knot
Even that wouldnt be an issue
It would still be massively flexible, and you know, literally infinite DoTs
vast yew
It would for Smite builds
severe folio
so back in the day WnR can get above 31 sb cap ?
fluid knot
Iirc it was absolutely uncapped
vast yew
That jank ain’t ever killing a Rager
fluid knot
No, but smite is dogshit
vast yew
I think all dots are capped at 31
severe folio
so whats the difference between WnR and PC
vast yew
Just you can’t actually get there before things die
fluid knot
just that you wouldn't practically reach that
Ahhh ok, but yeah, was much more fun
severe folio
it seem like PC is much better
spice veldt
trigger condition
severe folio
yeah
vast yew
I mean by the time you’re at 10 stacks things are eating 100 damage-ish per tick
fluid knot
Yep, but you could shit out bursts so fast with KB, that stacking it was super fuckin easy
It was only on burst too, not on kill
So even if the thing didnt die, you were getting DoTs out
severe folio
I mean like
vast yew
They nerfed it to be kill only IIRC
fluid knot
Yes, because it was the only Blitz at the time, thats not an effective comparison
vast yew
Updated WnR would be any Blitz and it’d still be worse than PC
severe folio
i guess so
vast yew
Because staves kill elites a lot
severe folio
well, then we can sai WnR got upgraded into PC
fluid knot
Updated WnR would be any Blitz and it’d still be worse than PC
Nah, if it remained the same, it would be essentially be damaging anything with your blitz
Which would be significantly better, in fact, it would be cripplingly OP
fluid knot
Nope
I ran it up until the new trees dropped, was never on kill
PC is literally just a watered down version thats easier to use
spice veldt
it was changed from on-kill into on-hit
severe folio
interesting
vast yew
Oh it went the other way? Interesting
spice veldt
yeah, they gave it some neat buffs over time
it's one of the feats that did periodically get buffed
severe folio
they really took WnR from us then
fluid knot
And then gutted it, im still sad about that
spice veldt
gave it amnesia and a new identity
fluid knot
But it would have been rampantly OP had it remained as it was
vast yew
On hit WnR replacing Kinetic Flayer would be cool
But might be too much combined with PC
fluid knot
It'd be much better
severe folio
no replace it with Wildfire
fluid knot
KF is ass
vast yew
Cuz one brain burst killing an elite would give 7 stacks
fluid knot
no replace it with Wildfire
It used to make Wildfire actually worth taking
Because after a certain threshold, everything around the target was getting the max ticks
vast yew
If wildfire worked like the description says it does it’d be great
patent hatch
Blessings for Traumua?
spice veldt
i'd kill perilous combustion if we do bring back wrack & ruin
vast yew
Blessings for Traumua?
Flurry + Rending or Blazing + Nexus
patent hatch
👍
patent hatch
Already running it just checking I’m not insane
severe folio
have to check if their staff can be fire trauma
vast yew
Fire Trauma do need very very high roll
patent hatch
379 should do 😂
vast yew
I was typing out the caveat but I’m on a phone
Uhhh 379 could work, what’s the specifics
It really needs charge and blast
severe folio
have to check the staff stats not just the overall rating
vast yew
Like 78+ in both those stats, optimally
patent hatch
80 radius 75 charge
vast yew
Eh should still work but it’ll be a bit dicey if you get pressured.
Have you already built it?
patent hatch
It does 😂
vast yew
Already working in Auric and asking if it’s good 
vast yew
Pretty sure it’s considered the best Trauma build but it’s so specifically needy to even build
Flurry Rending also works and can work without a godroll
vast yew
Oh it still kills plenty, it just requires Epicenter hits
urban sandal
saving tens of thousands of plasteel is a good reason
patent hatch
Too late for that
vast yew
Hadron was very kind and didn’t brick my first godroll
patent hatch
Though for me it was more Ordos
^^
vast yew
Which slightly makes up for her abject refusal to give me a good Purgatus
Like ffs please
patent hatch
Spent 500k to get a good base then got a spicy one from there
severe folio
do you play elden ring
vast yew
Yes
severe folio
do you know cannon of haima
urban sandal
that's basically trauma staff with extra steps
severe folio
do you know crystal burst
vast yew
So kinda like Sienna Fireball with no fire?
severe folio
it can have fire
patent hatch
I just want bolt staff
vast yew
Staff from Vermintide
potent echo
are we part2 staff coping now
severe folio
we are part 2 staff cope
patent hatch
are we part2 staff coping now <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Yes we are
potent echo
there was a trauma staff and smite
vast yew
what is vermintide
Darktide but set in Warhammer fantasy. Precursor to Darktide
half iron
im not english native
okay so imagine if you were in the 30th level of the backrooms and the skibidi toilets attacked but you are a cameraperson with lots of hands
vast yew
okay so imagine if you were in the 30th level of the backrooms and the skibidi t...
We said English not TikTok
patent hatch
How do you know who sienna is but not know what Vermintide is the fuck
coarse tartan
why do you guys say blaze trauma needs super high rolls?
what makes it that sensitive
severe folio
its stat are sensitive
coarse tartan
yes but why
vast yew
why do you guys say blaze trauma needs super high rolls?
Blast radius scaling super important to spread burn, and you don’t have Flurry so charge time is a bit tight
coarse tartan
i see
vast yew
You also want to hit the point where 2 ticks of quell from 100% lets you do a full charge without exploding
patent hatch
If you don’t have near max stats brittle and flurry butter
vast yew
And then damage is damage
vast yew
Flame build stupid fun
You can get like 1k kills sitting at the chokepoint in Carnival and spamming it
patent hatch
All flame talents - wild fire cause it’s a scam
vast yew
Rest of team can go to sleep almost
patent hatch
We good to go
vast yew
Smite is cool for stunning, but Trauma stuns fine
vast yew
Smite is extra cool on Hunting Grounds
patent hatch
All of the blitz’s work with Traumua tbh
severe folio
yeah but why would you use smite when you have trauma
vast yew
I don’t think you’ll use Smite… ever
onyx sentinel
anyone have came across a bug where you literally can't change your weapon? not in matches nor psykhanium
vast yew
You can chain stun elites with charge attacks
patent hatch
Assail is the best no question
severe folio
anyone have came across a bug where you literally can't change your weapon? not ...
never seen it before
patent hatch
But lightning funny
vast yew
I use BB because it snipes things and I can run EP to save points
WS also good obviously
echo turtle
Warp siphon is almost always the answer
echo turtle
EP assail slots in with gunker
vast yew
WS is great, but with BB specifically the charge time reduction and 0 perils is nice
echo turtle
DD is uh
Theoretically good, I find the uptime isn't ideal
coarse tartan
but like
patent hatch
Disrupt Destiny is the normal gunker
coarse tartan
do you really sit there channeling brain burst
severe folio
would be nice if warp siph givr crit
echo turtle
BB DPS is usually lower than any staff
patent hatch
It ain’t for DPS
vast yew
BB Dps is a lot higher than when I’m out of range for trauma right click
patent hatch
^^^^^
vast yew
Which is the only time I use it
patent hatch
It’s for killing snipers
vast yew
Usually on gunners or snipers
patent hatch
And shit on the over side of the map
vast yew
With EP you can also hold right click indefinitely to insta-kill trappers or dogs
severe folio
why not use it on bosses
patent hatch
Because Traumua is more damage
coarse tartan
would you use it with voidstrike?
ripe yacht
Vibe check: Bloodthirsty on Illisi?
vast yew
But melee needs to be next to them
vast yew
would you use it with voidstrike?
BB? Nah I always go smite with VS for panic Rager stunning
untold widget
Vibe check: Bloodthirsty on Illisi?
Bloodthirsty slaughterer is what I run
severe folio
if voidstrike and BB effect are swapped
vast yew
That sounds like the Necro staff from Vermintide
ripe yacht
Bloodthirsty slaughterer is what I run
Melk had a bloodthirsty/deflector illisi.
severe folio
yes it would be the necro staff
ripe yacht
Going to compare to my current one when I get out of this mission.
severe folio
and hadoken
patent hatch
Staffs with blitz paring
Void Smite
Purg Assail
Surge Smite
Trauma BB
Gunker Assail
That’s what I be running
bright mica
psykerlot is so fun
severe folio
psykerlot ?
severe folio
why is it called
vast yew
Oh Psyker Zealot
severe folio
okay
vast yew
patent hatch
So gun Psyker
bright mica
the knife is important it makes you go zoom and flesh tearer goes hard on gaze
vast yew
The Psyker who’s hiding from the Commissar by pretending to be a Zealot
severe folio
praise the emperor im sure
bleak tulip
all the dubious effectiveness of bleed stacking without the talents to make it worth it
coarse tartan
yeah why would you go bleed here
bleak tulip
I already don't like it when zealots go full bleed build and they are least have talents to make it synergize, most players doing it don't pull it off well but hey at least it's a thing
vast yew
I mean theoretically you build bleed real fast with Gaze
bright mica
yeah why would you go bleed here
flesh tearer procs 8 stacks on everything in cleave range. the point isn't that though, it just offers some degree of horde-clear on your knife
severe folio
what is bleed cap stack
untold widget
watching a crusher die in 3 seconds from you whittling it's midsection down is pretty funny tbh
vast yew
I don’t run knife on Psyker though because uh DS4 exists
untold widget
naw
bright mica
not rlly
vast yew
Zoom zoom zoo- where is my team
bright mica
knife go zoom zoom
severe folio
DS4 is the dueling sword
bright mica
ye ik
vast yew
yeah Dueling MK 4
severe folio
between soulblaze and bleed which one is the stronger dot
bleak tulip
flesh tearer procs 8 stacks on everything in cleave range. the point isn't that ...
the last part is kind of what I assume is happening here, you wanna run knife and then build it so it theoretically has some semblance of horde clear because you don't also wanna bring a secondary that actually does that
patent hatch
Chainsword is the superior choice
vast yew
All dots are pretty equal IIRC
bright mica
ew yucky
severe folio
hmm
bleak tulip
not specifically trying to attack you here is just a weird thing Im seeing a lit
vast yew
They do roughly stacks squared damage
severe folio
psyker should have had something that let them proc bleed/warpfire when warpfire/bleed is procced
patent hatch
What
severe folio
yes
bright mica
not specifically trying to attack you here is just a weird thing Im seeing a lit
this is literally just the psylot build from the pinned psyker guide just instead of creeping flame i went gaze
bleak tulip
just run knife and use it to kill shit fast without also trying to shoehorn mid horde clear into it
vast yew
He wants a Psyker DoT build that does extra DoT stuff
bright mica
it works and its fun
severe folio
imagine a blessing like that
bright mica
it works on auric damnation so who cares
patent hatch
Idk that just sounds like free double damage
severe folio
on hit enemy with bleed/burn, apply burn/bleed
vast yew
It is free double damage lol
severe folio
oh yes
bleak tulip
this is literally just the psylot build from the pinned psyker guide just instea...
yeah and me and plenty of other people disagree with the guide as well, it's not infallible
severe folio
you must be bored out of your mind to do that
bleak tulip
oke I guess
bright mica
you must be bored out of your mind to do that
you sit all day in #psyker-class
I've seen you here when I took my morning dump
bleak tulip
again I don't really care what you do, I just wonder why
vast yew
yeah and me and plenty of other people disagree with the guide as well, it's not...
I’m curious, anything specific you really disagree with or is it more just minor stuff in general
vast yew
Alright you made your point
grizzled river
hey guys which one would be better?
vast yew
Left IMO
patent hatch
hey guys which one would be better?
Left
bleak tulip
I’m curious, anything specific you really disagree with or is it more just minor...
some blessing recommendations, general stuff mostly. I didn't read everything but have things is disagree with in almost everything I did read, which is to be expected of course
grizzled river
alrighty thanks 🙂
vast yew
Hmm fair, though I think Blessings get weird because they can be build dependent
patent hatch
alrighty thanks 🙂
At the same time I’d recommend you roll for a 370+ one
bleak tulip
maybe play the game instead of being a discord neckbeard
kind of rude to immediately go this hard lmao
vast yew
I know I generally agreed with most of it but found the builds at the end a bit weird
grizzled river
I didn't know they could roll that high but I'm out of money so this will have to do for now
vast yew
Like he has Wildfire , nooooo
patent hatch
I didn't know they could roll that high but I'm out of money so this will have t...
Yeah 380 is the max
vast yew
I didn't know they could roll that high but I'm out of money so this will have t...
380 is the total cap, 80 for individual stats
bleak tulip
yeah I respect pygex a lot because he does a lot of testing and whatnot but some stuff in the guide seems a little out there
patent hatch
:(
vast yew
At least he didn’t upgrade Smite in his guides
Was watching some video recently and saw that
bleak tulip
it's honestly a bit weird how many YouTube guides are just... bad
severe folio
because theyre not in psyker discord
vast yew
Was same with Vermintide
bleak tulip
checks out I guess
patent hatch
Was same with Vermintide
wetmagic
bleak tulip
I suppose a lot of the time it's not people's fault, wildfire sounds good when you read the description and don't test it or just accept that it surely does something
vast yew
I could see it on Purgatus builds maaaybe?
vast yew
It’s terrible on Fire Trauma though
severe folio
vast yew
That’s a thunder hammer
severe folio
its actually may be useful on fire trauma if you take it for a specific purpose
but on purgatus is worthless
patent hatch
It really isn’t
bleak tulip
even then it just very barely speeds up stack gain a little bit
vast yew
The problem with Trauma is you always give set numbers of stacks
Which means it can never spread
severe folio
this how it feel on a purg
vast yew
Enemy with 3 stacks dies, everyone nearby has 3 stacks, no spread
patent hatch
It’s just bad unfortunately
severe folio
yes so
if you ignore the whole spreading conundrum of wildfire
and you take it for the purpose of preserving 4 stacks around the horde
because blaze trauma only gonna go up to 6
vast yew
I tried it on Trauma for a while and then noticed it never actually spread lol
Because the stupid “can’t have more stacks than the dead target” bit
severe folio
the reason why it may not spread with fire trauma is prob because of how fire trauma blaze the target
fire trauma start in the middle of the horde right ?
vast yew
Yeah it’s fact it’s always 3 stacks
patent hatch
Because the stupid “can’t have more stacks than the dead target” bit
Just that makes it useless
vast yew
Nah it’s the whole horde at once
severe folio
and then with every trauma it keeps spreading the horde out
vast yew
Trauma AoE is so stupid huge it hits everything at the same time
So whenever you crit basically everything gets 3 stacks simultaneously
vast yew
Max AoE is the size of that horde in the beginning of your clip
vast yew
The epicenter is corridor width
severe folio
it start to spreadign the horde out
vast yew
It can
severe folio
yeah assail can crit
patent hatch
does anyone know if assail can crit
Yes
odd bison
thank you :3
severe folio
if you throw your assail andsometime see a purple shard
vast yew
Anytime
severe folio
you know that shard carry crit
severe folio
BB should have been able to crit
vast yew
True Aim
severe folio
and so is smite
patent hatch
smite does so little damage it wouldn’t matter
severe folio
That’s a thunder hammer
spacewolf pattern surge staff
vast yew
Well with EP it does… slightly more damage? I guess?
patent hatch
not much more let’s be honest
vast yew
It can kill a bruiser with a full channel that’s… something?
severe folio
you dont get it do you
if you crit with smite
you get EE
and mettle while smiting
bleak tulip
I’m curious, anything specific you really disagree with or is it more just minor...
here's a major thing I forgot about
One +3 stamina, then either two health or two toughness.
vast yew
If smite could crit it’d be nice for triggering talents
bleak tulip
I think that's actually just bad advice
patent hatch
Eh
severe folio
yep
patent hatch
On crit builds I don’t even run smite
severe folio
thats because smite cant crit
patent hatch
Assail all the way
severe folio
so imagine if smite can crit
vast yew
I think that's actually just bad advice
The stamina in general or the 2 hp/2 toughness instead of one of each
patent hatch
Still running assail
bleak tulip
The stamina in general or the 2 hp/2 toughness instead of one of each
kinda both but the stam thing is the egregious part to me
bleak tulip
you can stack 2hp or toughness, but not when you run a third curio that isn't the other one of those two imo
dense ivy
UI mod
bleak tulip
but yeah stam is actually just kinda bad on psyker imo, and yeah I know about how kinetic deflection works
severe folio
i see
dense ivy
Oh wait no you mean,
vast yew
but yeah stam is actually just kinda bad on psyker imo, and yeah I know about ho...
Hmm, fair enough, though I personally run a stamina trinket
dense ivy
No that’s two screenshots spliced together
dense ivy
Because lmao 1421 kills
vast yew
2 stamina makes using push attacks on DS a little too spooky for my taste
bleak tulip
psyker has instant stam regen so you don't even need regen, let alone a lot of stam imo
severe folio
ah i see
vast yew
The issue for me is more when you get hit in that split second between blocking and pushing
dense ivy
I run 2 stamina and block efficiency on my force sword + block efficiency on my curios + deflector
vast yew
With only 2 stam that can break your guard
dense ivy
Basically let’s you tank anything
I wouldn’t put stamina on a curio for anyone except zealot
Maybe vet but eh
vast yew
Oh I wouldn’t run stam on a weapon, less efficient than the curio version and you sacrifice damage
dense ivy
I am not using my sword for damage
bleak tulip
With only 2 stam that can break your guard
on most builds you run kin deflect anyway to get to true aim and if you don't do it for that it's only 2 points away
dense ivy
Psyker does not need to melee
bleak tulip
and makes you the best at picking people up
dense ivy
You can but you don’t need to
severe folio
psyker melee is kind of fun though
dense ivy
Yeah I wish the tree supported it better
vast yew
on most builds you run kin deflect anyway to get to true aim and if you don't do...
I mean i also run KD but with the Stamina, and you already know the math so I won’t explain it.
severe folio
become grey knight
dense ivy
Dueling sword is kino but you don’t have the best talents for using a non force weapon
severe folio
thats when we have to use deimos
vast yew
KD also technically one point because the preceding node is 5% crit and you’re always taking that haha
bleak tulip
like you can tank so many hits with base stam already it seems like such a waste to me
dense ivy
You lose a lotta potential damage if you don’t bring a force sword even if you go gun psyker
Kinda annoying
vast yew
DS4 also works even on gunker
patent hatch
You lose a lotta potential damage if you don’t bring a force sword even if you g...
DS4, Knife, Chainsword
surreal eagle
Psyker melee is fun, but it's pretty glass cannon, which isn't great for frontlining
dense ivy
Nah I just mean talent wise
Everything gives you warp damage and like
One thing that gives regular damage
vast yew
like you can tank so many hits with base stam already it seems like such a waste...
It’s a preference thing. Personally I think “wasting” one curio main stat on stamina (or even a wound if you want) is fine. But two is right out.
dense ivy
And then shared total damage/crit
So I always feels bad man if I bring a dueling sword even if it’s real fun
dense ivy
I also can’t tank an entire shotgun patrol with a dueling sword
vast yew
You can if you dome
patent hatch
Or just position well
dense ivy
Nah that’ll pop instantly against a patrol
patent hatch
Deflector is a crutch fight me
surreal eagle
Martydom psyker would be so much fun. Built around intentional suicide bombing
vast yew
Pls do not intentionally take damage on Martyrdom Zealot
untold widget
I just shout shotgun patrols
patent hatch
Out gun them pew pew
vast yew
@bleak tulip I do agree that saying 1 stamina trinket is “mandatory” is a bit much
It’s got its uses but so does an extra 21% hp or 17% toughness
patent hatch
Depends on your confidence
And also if you do get downed you loose less HP with a wound trinket
vast yew
Well it also gets into corruption mechanics and a lot of other stuff
dense ivy
2 health 1 toughness block efficiency and gunner res is what I run
On my Deflectors at least
half iron
Pls do not intentionally take damage on Martyrdom Zealot
it takes so long to get low health if i do it on purpose
vast yew
It’s complicated but TLDR is running 1 wound won’t hurt your build too hard
severe folio
3 wounds curios with stamina and toughness and ordos docket on them all
patent hatch
Unless your zealot
dense ivy
I don't run wounds because I just don't go down
vast yew
Then run 3
dense ivy
Unless everyone goes down
patent hatch
I don't run wounds because I just don't go down
Corruption bar
vast yew
Corruption bar can benefit less wounds because it takes longer to “lose” your wound to it
dense ivy
Not worth giving up health
vast yew
But the discussion is complicated
severe folio
is it never enough health
dense ivy
I've survived at <20hp a lot more often than I've died to wounds
severe folio
if you survive at below 20 hp often then why do you need Hp
vast yew
21% hp is a bit over 30 hp actually
He’s saying if he took off the 21% hp he’d have died
severe folio
oh
dense ivy
Aye
severe folio
how much total hp do you have
dense ivy
232
dense ivy
I think it comes out to like
vast yew
It’d be about 201 or so
dense ivy
203
patent hatch
You get about 30 hp
severe folio
200 as well ?
vast yew
Psyker base toughness is only 60
And you usually get about 2 +15 nodes
Psyker toughness is squishy AF
patent hatch
Psyker has great toughness regen tho, often find it balances itself out
severe folio
if only that toughness regen enable toughness gating
bleak tulip
you can't get 200 without literally wasting points deliberately getting like every toughness node so there's that
vast yew
You can get to like 115 with a toughness trinket and some substats
severe folio
kinda wish we have a talent that convert hp into toughness
bleak tulip
like I wouldn't run 3 toughness curios and splashing into lone toughness nodes and I am a big toughness stan
vast yew
I think most Psyker builds have 90 before curio buffs
patent hatch
^
bleak tulip
pretty much
patent hatch
It’s mandotory to takes those first nodes
bleak tulip
you can't avoid getting 90
patent hatch
Or your being a little silly
bleak tulip
unless you literally don't spend your points
severe folio
you guys havent told me what staff would you want in the game if fatshark adding another one
dense ivy
With my build I have 233 heaolth and 105 toughness
vast yew
(Don’t do this)
severe folio
skip blitz to get what
patent hatch
More points
vast yew
I think with my curios I’m at like 205 hp 115 toughness?
severe folio
you wouldnt have more points
vast yew
Blitz is literally 1 point tho
patent hatch
Yep
lethal lagoon
Voidstrike would be nice to skip a blitz with
severe folio
i on the other hand wish the talent tree is more interwoven with each other like other class
patent hatch
Voidstrike would be nice to skip a blitz with
Wha
vast yew
Well we’re better off than Vets
severe folio
we missing those horizon line
patent hatch
I’d want to skip blitz while going melee only that’s it lol
vast yew
I mean that goes for all classes, stuff gets locked off
patent hatch
I meant I don't use my blitz all that much when I'm using voidstrike.
Run smite
vast yew
Ogryn can’t get bleed on heavy attacks plus gun lugger
patent hatch
Panic button
severe folio
yeah but between the aura and below aura nod we get lock out a lot more than other class
bleak tulip
smite only feels really worth it if you're really in the shit or running vent
severe folio
we get lock out a step before other class
vast yew
smite only feels really worth it if you're really in the shit or running vent
Yeah but on Voidstrike I rarely feel the need for the other 2 options either
patent hatch
^^^^
vast yew
Might as well take the panic button for 50 crushers
severe folio
like if you want assail with vs you have to abandon crit aura and go seer
vast yew
Oh ok lol
lethal lagoon
I would never run smite without flaming shriek
vast yew
If you had dome what would you run Void
In Vermintide classes work like they worked before patch 13
half iron
i run smite because i like seeing my hands, and lightning is cute
bleak tulip
feels like a waste of time if you don't have vent because you're literally doing nothing to kill shit for like several seconds
severe folio
if it work like pre-13
patent hatch
Just makes space
severe folio
how does necromancr and pyromancer work
vast yew
feels like a waste of time if you don't have vent because you're literally doing...
It’s a waste of time, but that’s the point sometimes.
severe folio
do they have to pick between major talent tree ?
bleak tulip
If you had dome what would you run Void
I wouldn't run void with dome tbh, I have a build for it but never use it
severe folio
hmm
vast yew
BUT the separate “trees” are separate classes entirely
patent hatch
eh the more I play dome/deflector just become more useless
severe folio
ah a whole separate class
half iron
i don’t trust anyone that i use my dome for. shriek supremacy
patent hatch
Just position well forehead
severe folio
do you think theyll do that for darktide, subclasses
vast yew
Dome bullies Beast of Nurgles
severe folio
maybe then they can make a melee psyker subclass
lethal lagoon
Dome encourages people into bad spots a lot of the time.
And then the dome is gone and everyone is just looking around like, "opps why are we here"
patent hatch
^^
bleak tulip
dome is very comfy and I'm glad people run it, but I don't see myself ever running it as it slows the game down for most missions too
patent hatch
That’s like calling a subway bad. Mother fucker you made the sandwich
half iron
Dome bullies Beast of Nurgles
best part about them, besides flamers being disappointed
severe folio
bomber grenae should have bounce off dome
severe folio
hell venting shriek should have repel grenade when its in the air
oh it do like that
thats prob because flame code
vast yew
Flamer fire gets stopped but barrels and bomber fire spreads through.
severe folio
flamer flame goes into dome right ?
vast yew
Nope
severe folio
what
vast yew
I know right
severe folio
hm
patent hatch
Flamer is a projectile bomber is on the floor
severe folio
so barrel, dreg flame, scab flame, bomber and warp fire all have different code source
bleak tulip
it's how the spread works, flamers leave a trail and bombers spread from the origin into it
vast yew
Flamers shoot a projectile that’s spawns flame under it
lethal lagoon
Flamer is a projectile bomber is on the floor
If you wanna use that logic, then it shouldn't bounce a grenade away at all.
vast yew
Bombers and Barrels just apply it directly
bleak tulip
it just blocks all projectiles, and flamer flames are thst
severe folio
this is intended right ?
severe folio
because if its not intended
bleak tulip
flamers not going through is intended yeah
severe folio
then they might have to fix it
and if they have to fix it
then they might broke it more
lethal lagoon
Can they break it more than when you could have borderline infinite shields?
I believe in them
severe folio
imagine if it broke and now psyker and zealot cant spread flame through dome
vast yew
You can still have borderline infinite with enough CDR
patent hatch
Just run 2 dome psykers gunners suddenly don’t exist
bleak tulip
you can still stack 2 currently
severe folio
AI director read how many dome has spawned and start spawning more bombers
bleak tulip
just takes more effort
vast yew
I will say if you take Dome into a Scab Melee Maelstrom I will come to your house and strangle your houseplants
Like wtf why
half iron
the ai director should spawn more barrels
severe folio
actually maybe because the AI director read how much more often people use dome
untold niche
I will say if you take Dome into a Scab Melee Maelstrom I will come to your hous...
toughnes regen? :p
severe folio
so it start adjusting its parameter and add out more flame
vast yew
the ai director should spawn more barrels
Calm down satan
untold niche
flame barrle shoul;ldnt exist, only boom boom barrel.
lethal lagoon
^
patent hatch
^^
severe folio
all this time its not nurgle force we are fighting against
bleak tulip
barrel jumping maelstrom
severe folio
its the league of votann
vast yew
I’d be okay with plane barrels if they didn’t insta-delete toughness
WHY do they do that
patent hatch
Boom is funny fire is aids
lethal lagoon
I'm okay going boom boom, but the whole team just stopping and waiting forever for the flame going away is just dumb.
half iron
the bomber should throw barrels that are one attack away from exploding
severe folio
did you guys saw the new trailer
with the twin
what is the effect on their weapons
it looks like captain shields but now its on melee
bleak tulip
they're just captains without shields I think
lethal lagoon
the bomber should throw barrels that are one attack away from exploding
Ogryn Bomber just throws barrel 
untold niche
I'm okay going boom boom, but the whole team just stopping and waiting forever f...
fire damage high, understandable to be scared. i am too.
you burn your finger suddenly you have no toughness
severe folio
the orange electrifying they have makes me feels angsty
untold niche
fire damage high, understandable to be scared. i am too.
you burn your finger su...
i think everyone in darktide is fire phobic
bleak tulip
captain has that effect too I think
lethal lagoon
fire damage high, understandable to be scared. i am too.
you burn your finger su...
Flame barrel doesn't hit toughness, you just bunny hop over it and take like 10 damage.
untold niche
you can bhop in DT?
bleak tulip
eh I reckon they'll be pushovers
patent hatch
you can bhop in DT?
I wish
severe folio
speaking of captain i havent got a single assassination mission for the past month
lethal lagoon
you can bhop in DT?
I just meant spam jump lmao
untold niche
Flame barrel doesn't hit toughness, you just bunny hop over it and take like 10 ...
sometime idk if flame is fro barrel or bomber
another reason to delete flame barrel.
severe folio
cant wait till fatshark add a monstrosity that create flame
ornate hamlet
I saw dome and bad spots
patent hatch
Honestly they won’t add a new monstrosity for a while
severe folio
true
ornate hamlet
I think many people don't know how to make use of the tools they have and play very passively, which ends up being a big mistake a lot of times
severe folio
theyll just add flame effect on the current ones
add flaming spew on nurgling spawn
it just become a gigantic flamer
untold niche
I think many people don't know how to make use of the tools they have and play v...
DT is more intuitive to play pasivle
everyutime i go aggressive i regret alot.
ornate hamlet
It was also a problem before p13, where people would shit themselves at ranged enemies and try to play Gears of War instead of engaging the enemy at melee range, using suppression or whatever else they could do besides sitting still behind a box and taking shots at an entity with a preprogrammed chance to hit you
Oh no, 7 shooters, what can I do
And then some random psyker walks up to the shooters and they stop firing at everyone
And it's like "woooooow how did you do that"
Man idk I held W I guess
severe folio
warp magic
patent hatch
Just shoot the gunners lmao
untold niche
no no but they will run away further
then youi chase them then boom 3x bulwark 1x trapper adn 1x flamer
severe folio
puppetmaster
puppet master should affect the range at which ranged enemies switch to melee
ornate hamlet
Downplaying aside, I do recognize there is an element of skill to it
Both in making use of the time and knowing when to stop making use of it
severe folio
that would been nitce
ornate hamlet
I do occasionaly find myself being overaggressive and pulling a bunch of elites
fair spruce
ornate hamlet
I am mostly equipped to handle that in both my gear and my skill with the game, but we can make mistakes
patent hatch
https://youtu.be/5oNpb0dLNhE
Get that Ogryn out of wizard chat smh
ornate hamlet
And sometimes I will rush 5 gunners, pull my revolver and go for the ol' 100%
Then I'll miss one, get stunlocked and eat shit
So the player has to be thinking in layers
untold niche
turn the corner, minigun ogryn + 1 gunner, kongrats now you cannot move
ornate hamlet
If they rush an enemy out in the open, it can get bad soon because they don't have somewhere to retreat
If they rush an enemy with cover nearby, they can break line of sight if things get hairy
If they have high ground, they can expose themselves less
Bonus points if they know what's happening around them
No point in rushing ahead of a horde to engage shooters and then get slapped in the back by 20 poxwalkers
Or if you do, make sure you space yourself properly to contain them and hopefully separate the shooters a bit so you can get clear attacks on the enemies you do want to prioritize
I do something like that hunting gunners in the middle of shooters
coarse tartan
ornate hamlet
It's really bad if I start fucking up the pressure on the gunners and hit the wrong enemies, because that gives them a chance to hit me back
coarse tartan
what the fuck did i just find in the shop
ornate hamlet
funny 69 trauma
coarse tartan
im gonna hit the consecrate button real skillfully
hahahahaha !!! ! ! !!!
annnnd alt f4
vast yew
Well good news is that WR > Blast so at least she didn’t brick a godroll?
… sorry for your loss
hearty dagger
Loner Psyker really is self aware
Dude tried to smite Chaos Spawn
Got downed as last man standing
"I'm sensing great...Stupidity"
tiny saffron
A blessing from the illisi sword cant be put in the Deimos can it?
hearty dagger
Afaik it can
tiny saffron
Oh baby
burnt island
I just got this as mission award. Is this considered good?
ripe yacht
…Looks pretty good to me.
ripe yacht
A blessing from the illisi sword cant be put in the Deimos can it?
Correct.
vast yew
Blessings from Illisi are shared with Deimos
orchid venture
I haven't played much psyker since update 13, is trauma staff still pretty ok? I don't see many people using it over the other ones
severe folio
yes its still pretty okay
vast yew
I haven't played much psyker since update 13, is trauma staff still pretty ok? I...
You need a godroll but it slaps
Less than godrolls can also work with Rending/Flurry
orchid venture
I'm trying to make a build for each staff, but in the process of doing so found that the seer's sight one is Really hard to make work
vast yew
The what staff?
orchid venture
The ability, not the staff
vast yew
Oh Scriers Gaze
It’s more for gun Psyker
Though you can do funny things with a Voidstrike + Transfer Peril
vast yew
It can do funny stuff with a Blazing Illisi but yeah it’s more for Autogun silliness