psyker-class

[spiral mist]

regenerating it is easy

[spark fractal]

Gain perils? Here’s some toughness, quell perils? Toughness, crit? Toughness. warp kills? More toughness

[spiral mist]

its just after the first hit

u basically go down in 1 to 2 swings

[spiral mist]

true

psyker's toughness regen is unmatched

the real problem is our stamina

im running double stamina curios

[spice veldt]

vet also has less toughness nodes to grab

[spiral mist]

with 3x sprint efficiency and stamina regen

[spiral mist]

they have much higher base toughness right

before talent change they had like 200 toughness or something crazy

[spark fractal]

They don’t anymore

[spice veldt]

sure, but the +toughness nodes on our tree are fine to get

you can get +60 toughness without having to go out of your way

[spiral mist]

hmmmm

maybe

[spice veldt]

vet still gets +40 toughness if you go down the middle and right tree

[spiral mist]

our tree is fantastic

vets tree is actual dogshit

after their last change

i feel like the vet tree should have 40 points

[spice veldt]

vet's tree just has bloat

[spiral mist]

yeah

u cant max out the capstone talent unless u forgo some really good nodes

[untold widget]

Does plasma gun get a Surge type blessing where they double fire on crit?

[spiral mist]

nein

[spark fractal]

A typical vet build gets a bit more toughness now, but the real survivability champs are still Ogryns because they have so many passive damage reduction buffs

[tulip trench]

how do yall use purgatus in damnation? seems like if theres elites you get overwhelmed
and you can only kill trash

[spiral mist]

plasmagun blessings are all shit i think

[untold widget]

and there you are

[spiral mist]

except for the one that gives +50% crit at max heat

[spice veldt]

LMB to stagger

[tulip trench]

im doing that

its

[severe folio]

hahaha

[spice veldt]

LMB is able to stagger ragers in their combos and maulers

[tulip trench]

underwhelming

[spark fractal]

Relatively speaking, yeah, you don’t actually need to roll for any of them, though gets hot is somewhat more useful

[untold widget]

The only thing purgatus doens't melt is crushers and bulwarks. Switch to melee for those

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't bring purg to a premade, but if it's a pub and you're being aggressive, purg should be fine

[severe folio]

are you dodging backward and slide back

what do you mean by underwhelming

[spiral mist]

yeah plasma gun is a weird weapon

dont think the devs really ever tested plasma blessings

[severe folio]

what exactly is the underwhelming parts

[spiral mist]

none of them really do anything noticeable at all lol

[spiral mist]

u get hit when u use purgatus

its a price u have to pay for using the best weapon

[severe folio]

thats every staff

[spiral mist]

bleed for ur sins

[untold widget]

well you do

[spice veldt]

it's an infinite cleave weapon with a good amount of coverage so you can't really go wrong with purg

[spark fractal]

I would say that’s how they should be designing weapons, not have such build defining blessings like surge but give you no reliable way to actually ever get it

[spiral mist]

surge is fast enough at charging that u dont

[severe folio]

i dont think theres any staff where you dont get hit if you are using it

[spiral mist]

trauma u get

[untold widget]

I only get hit by the edges of fire bombs because they're bullshit

[severe folio]

no no no

[spiral mist]

but void u can release ur shot early to stagger

[severe folio]

if you are being hit at that exact frame on purgatus

[spice veldt]

purg is uninterruptible while casting

[severe folio]

you know you will get hit by that same frame on every staff

[spark fractal]

My entire goddamn inventory is filled with dozens of orange voidstrikes and still no surge

[spice veldt]

you're only interruptible while charging

[short lodge]

Trauma is super braindead to not get hit on tbh

[spiral mist]

i spent 50k plasteel to get surge

the very next day

[short lodge]

you just blast your toes and charge longer as you get room

[spiral mist]

melk brings me a staff with surge

frikkin hell

[severe folio]

well if you get hit while charging

you receive the same fate as every staff does

[tulip trench]

yup. and LMB but the stagger part is underwhelming, they stagger once then never again afterwards.
Then i get elite rushed, maybe teammates arent focusing elites while im casting?
feels like everytime i run purg my whole team wants to sprint in to melee

[severe folio]

so just be aware of your surrounding whole you charge

[spiral mist]

I am very confused with the guide on steam:

There are only 3 force swords

[severe folio]

this is very odd because it should stagger every single time so long as the enemy come out of stagger animation

[spiral mist]

why is there a deimos and 3 illisi?

[severe folio]

like every single stagger in the game

[spiral mist]

Isnt it deimos, illisi and obscurus?

[spark fractal]

So I’m being punished, probably like 6 mo the ago when void was the worst possible staff, melk offered me a surge one and I told him to F off and give me a shredder pistol instead

[untold widget]

we don't talk about obscurus

[spice veldt]

they're just remarking on the different builds you would have

[radiant sleet]

I 1 shot rolled surge, but oh boy did nexus eat up ALL of my plasteel

[spiral mist]

bro

[spice veldt]

deimos is more cut and dry, and I guess you can do more with the illisi

[spiral mist]

that was when pinning fire gave 100% bonus power

best blessing in the game

[tulip trench]

it is to trash adds, but nothing else.
ranged chaff recover and start shooting again

[spiral mist]

then they cut it up and dumped the pieces into a meat grinder

now pinning fire gives 25% power

autopistol and boltgun dropped out of meta after that

[spice veldt]

you could grab empathic evasion and spam dodges while relying on the crits that come to proc empathic

[spark fractal]

Yeah and I enjoyed the hell out of my pinning 4 gunpsyker, everything died

[severe folio]

are you sure

[spice veldt]

i really do hope that you're spamming dodges against ranged enemies

[woeful patio]

I've done the unthinkable and made a Gun Psyker build, how is this?

[spice veldt]

like, legitimately just feather your spacebar

[spiral mist]

Im guessing the reason why theres no obscurus is because its so shit that its not worth using

[spice veldt]

yeah it's just a worse deimos currently

[woeful patio]

Obscuris isn't terrible it just isn't the Deimos or Illisi

No niche

[spark fractal]

Not a big fan of either infernus or raking fire

[untold widget]

its pretty bad tbh

[spiral mist]

its really sad how bad autopistol is now compared to how it used to be

[untold widget]

the attack pattern is ass

[spiral mist]

every gun in the game got buffed

the mobs got buffed

but the autopistol got nerfed

[spice veldt]

the attack pattern of the obscurus is fine as long as you avoid the 2nd light

[spiral mist]

no wonder its weak asf

[spice veldt]

light -> heavy -> cancel with block or QQ for hordeclear and whatnot

[severe folio]

this is not what happening for you is what youre telling me

[spice veldt]

they really should just make the 2nd light a left-to-right diagonal

[spiral mist]

obscurus competes with deimos right?

it feels more similar

[woeful patio]

Basically yeah

[spiral mist]

honestly

[woeful patio]

But Deimos has best in slot heavy damage

[spiral mist]

id rather use a chainsword

than deimos

[severe folio]

theres no competition between obscurus and deimos lol

[woeful patio]

Foul

Fake Psyker

[spice veldt]

they have the same special, but the obscurus doesn't have the heavy stab, and the light stab is more inaccessible

[spiral mist]

illisi is the only one

[severe folio]

deimos outmatch obscurus in everyway

[untold widget]

I love my deimos

[spiral mist]

yes

[untold widget]

its so fucking strong

[spiral mist]

but chainsword outmatches them all

[tulip trench]

100% it seems like. sometimes it always staggers, then suddenly doesnt outta no where and i die.
i think maybe im getting desynch or something then?
it also really feels worse for me in PUBS, cause no one focuses elites and just holds w+m1

[spiral mist]

its the chosen weapon

[strong gulch]

Raking to dumdum and reload to unyielding will give you some good boss DPS.

[woeful patio]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1001504510767804538/1013356355635130489/ummuhhhh.gif

[spiral mist]

chainsword will always be the most powerful gift bestowed by the emprah

[spice veldt]

you'll prob just have to spam the LMB

[severe folio]

it might be because of lag, but if you ar hosting on your own it should be fine

[spice veldt]

and quell cancel to help along with that

[spice veldt]

unless you're doing a solo offline, all games are hosted on servers

it's not p2p

[severe folio]

we also have this

[woeful patio]

Both a blessing and a curse

[tulip trench]

ok thats what im misunderstanding

[spark fractal]

I really want some more force weapons, like Sienna gets a big flaming flail that does an AoE slam / fire blast, why can’t we get something like that?

[tulip trench]

the charged doesnt stagger?
i was under the assumption its the same as the LMB no?

[spark fractal]

Or the flaming sword that does massive stagger / AoE dot

[spice veldt]

RMB has significantly less stagger

[severe folio]

it has stagger, but only light enemies and some other

the primary fire is what stagger the most

[fading depot]

I swear to god

[spice veldt]

the LMB's main role is stagger and RMB is for damage/soulblaze application

[woeful patio]

We're getting a 2H Force sword "soon"

[severe folio]

only deimos can do stupid shit like this

[fading depot]

I could smite every single mob on the map except for one and my teammates would manage to let that one run up and hit me

[woeful patio]

next year most likely

[severe folio]

also chainsword is not very savy on carapace

while deimos, blessed with a stab attack, do very well against it

[spiral mist]

just use rapier haha

[severe folio]

yu dont get it do you

[spiral mist]

rapier is the best single target melee weapon in the game

[woeful patio]

Also completely agree that some of Siennas stuff should be ported over

[severe folio]

its the knock down

[spiral mist]

?

[severe folio]

its not just the stab

[woeful patio]

Straight up just bring all her staves 1 to 1

[spark fractal]

It better be like Kruger’s executioner sword on crack, light attack spam to clear hordes, heavy charged attacks kill armored elites

[woeful patio]

no changes

[spiral mist]

why do i need knockdown

im here to kill

[severe folio]

its the immediate knock down

because

its an addition

[woeful patio]

Binnie enemies on the ground cant hit you

makes them easy to kill

[severe folio]

also its the only sword that can one shot mutant without anything now

[spiral mist]

neither can the ones that are already dead

[radiant sleet]

Some people choose their weapon based on meta.

I choose deimos because I think the tip of the sword looks cool

[spark fractal]

Conflagration staff my beloved

[severe folio]

you say that as if you gonna kill an enemy in 1 shot with the chainsword

[spiral mist]

with rapier

[woeful patio]

OG Fireball Staff

[severe folio]

try do that with the chainsword on the crusher

[spiral mist]

chainsword is the best all rounder

rapier is for elites

[severe folio]

not even the rapier one shot crusher

[spiral mist]

u can two shot though

[woeful patio]

There isn't a rapier in the game

[spark fractal]

You know there’s a mod to let you change the look of your weapons to whatever you want, shovels for all if you like that

[severe folio]

whatever the rapier can one shot

[spiral mist]

and its very consistent

very fast

insane dodges

[severe folio]

the deimos does the same

[spiral mist]

by god is it fast

deimos isnt as fast as rapier

[severe folio]

both the blaze force sword and dueling sword has the same amount of dodge

[woeful patio]

OH he means the cavalry sword

nvm

[severe folio]

and speed

[untold widget]

lolololol

[spark fractal]

Saltzpyre rapier is so good, and it even comes with a goddamn gun as a cherry on top

[radiant sleet]

So I could make my beloved illisi sword look like a cool tip deimos? That's wicked...

[woeful patio]

Bro imagine a FORCE RAPIER

[severe folio]

force rapier already exist

its called deimos

[woeful patio]

This is my Illisi

[spark fractal]

A lot of Sienna staffs would be so strong with unlimited, health cost free quells, goddamn

[untold widget]

beam staff shotgun

drool

[woeful patio]

Dude the BEAM STAFF

Ughhhhh

bring it back

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we need a single target soul blaze staff

[woeful patio]

Conflag would be so busted but imagine the visuals

[untold widget]

that can snipe specials

[woeful patio]

Necro Sienna Staff

Just change the FX to blue fire

done

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I havent played VT2 in years, haven't seen it yet

[woeful patio]

Its good

Get the DLC

[untold widget]

no

[woeful patio]

Coward

[spark fractal]

Well calculated beam + finisher that just perfectly kills an elite = chefs kiss

[cerulean lily]

Any bubble/smite psykers out there that run the voidstrike ? What skill tree ….do you go skill tree to warp siphon or empowered psionics ??

[untold widget]

I do EP smite with Solidity and True aim

[woeful patio]

I prefer Warp Charges for the peril reduction

[untold widget]

fucks hard

[woeful patio]

So you can smite more

Plus gives you more bubbles

[untold widget]

I want to run warp charges but that tree is too expensive to keep true aim

[cerulean lily]

Lmao. I know… immediately two different answers

[tulip trench]

i go warp siphon always unless im using BB

[untold widget]

and I like guaranteed void surges

[cerulean lily]

I can’t decide what’s best when I get into damnation and beyond

[proven stirrup]

Oh we showin off our sword-mogs?

[long wharf]

the best way to use smite is to not build around it

[spark fractal]

It’s also consistent damage increase, you can maintain a 6 stack basically forever in higher difficulties with many specials and elites

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I use smite to group up what's about to die, then knock it down and blast it

[long wharf]

smite is the "oh shit gotta lock stuff down right now" button

[cerulean lily]

What you mean ?

[long wharf]

not a first-choice-for-engagement option

[woeful patio]

Smite is the "My team didn't notice the 4 crushers" ability

[long wharf]

killing is always preferrable to stunning

[cerulean lily]

Yeah I agree…so what do you recommend ?

[spark fractal]

Funny, I use shriek for that, you don’t need to charge it

[untold widget]

stunning immediately precedes killing though, with true aim surge void

[long wharf]

well, that depends on how you like to play

psyker has a lot of viable options now

[proven stirrup]

They sure do

[viscid matrix]

tbh smite is still the better blitz option

[long wharf]

I prefer assail to smite

[proven stirrup]

For what?

I still like brain burst

[woeful patio]

I am a BB purist

BB + EP = Moist Nethers

[proven stirrup]

It's been getting hella mileage for me actually

lol

yes that

[woeful patio]

But Smite + Bubble in auric damnation saves games

[proven stirrup]

EP makes it so sick

[spark fractal]

Shriek gives me enough of an opening to back off, charge a voidstrike attack, and stagger / kill with that, so it’s enough cc for me

[viscid matrix]

ep makes it 1/6 faster, its meh, the damage is nice tho

[proven stirrup]

That's not even remotely accurate

It feels like it's twice as fast to me

[viscid matrix]

it goes from 3s cast time down to 2.4s cast time

[proven stirrup]

But the fact is being able to thin firing lines out from cover just feels good to me

Well that little amount feels great

Nice sword bro

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this is my Voidstrike build

[viscid matrix]

if you have the bb upgrade for speed, then with EP it goes down to 2.2s but even then that is slow

[proven stirrup]

I love this mod

I dont think I can play without it anymore

[severe folio]

i love my force club

[spark fractal]

I think I spend more time modding my weapons and checking myself out on the mourningstar than I do in missions

[sonic coral]

So were all these weapon mods in the game files with the system FS just decided to not release right before launch?

[proven stirrup]

lol

I think so

It's wild how many there are

But a lot of them are also just other gun parts that work

[sonic coral]

[proven stirrup]

It's basically sort of a build-a-gun workshop

[radiant sleet]

Does unstable power on melee scale with staves/blitz?

[proven stirrup]

Mostly with all the stuff we have and some unreleased models

[spiral mist]

i dunno man im an ogryn main

[sonic coral]

Thanks for making the effort to launch with the helbore sights then I guess fatlard

[radiant sleet]

NP big man

[hazy cedar]

Needs dumdum

[untold widget]

This would be my voidstrike with Warp Siphon instead

[hazy cedar]

It used to but pretty sure they fixed it.

[viscid matrix]

i prefer running void with DD

[untold widget]

does precision buffs do anything for void, or are you just buffing your melee

[radiant sleet]

Sad, I use my deimos mostly as a defensive tool/mutie slayer with deflector so unstable power would have been a good fit.

I wonder why he suggests deflector + unstable power under the A tier section of deimos in the steam guide if it doesnt scale with stuff anymore

[hazy cedar]

I like unstable power on my deimos as I run it on my.blazing trauma build where I always want to be at 80%+ peril. Free 20 power is nice

[untold widget]

hmmm

melk is tempting me

[hazy cedar]

Honestly? Almost doesn't matter what blessing you get

[untold widget]

kinda

i'ma get it

[radiant sleet]

Hmm well I am running warp rider and warp nexus so maybe unstable power will work for me too

[untold widget]

got superiority 3

[radiant sleet]

I just cant justify getting rid of deflector is the issue. I know it's a skill issue but I love using it to get a safe approach or reposition

[untold widget]

gonna swap that for bloodthirsty and swap groaner damage to maniac I think

[hazy cedar]

Deflector is good on deimos if you mainly run it as a mutie slayer imo. I run it with unstable and it does great when I need it

[lyric burrow]

Does anyone here know if voidstrike needs +carapace for the crusher one shot wirh surge/warp nexus

Not home to test

[hazy cedar]

Though on literally every other build I run a mk4 dueling sword. If I could get it to consistently one shot mutes on my trauma I'd run it there too but its just barely short

[fading depot]

What blessings should I go for on my surge staff?

[lyric burrow]

Warp nexus/warp flurry

[fading depot]

Do those both go up to 4?

[hazy cedar]

Yea

Blazing spirit on surge when

[radiant sleet]

Cheers, I'll try it out. I think it should work well with my setup.

[tall mango]

thoughts on making the left my new revolver?

[viscid matrix]

if you can get Handcannon blessing on it yes

mobility is the dump stat for revolver

[tall mango]

been running this pretty good laspistol for a few matches, what should i swap BE with?

[viscid matrix]

tbh i would swap between the eyes for dumdum, and unarmoured to unyeilding, flak or maniac

[bleak tulip]

prob flak because that would affect the fire damage and fire hits center mass, where flak is the most common

[tall mango]

I mainly struggle with crushers so ill probably switch to flak

[bleak tulip]

especially on enemies where the dot matters

crushers are cara

[viscid matrix]

crushers are carapace

[tall mango]

right

[bleak tulip]

but las isnt for them anyway

[tall mango]

i mix them up sometimes

too many to remember

[viscid matrix]

tbh use melee for crushers, if you have a good DS you can 2 tap them

[tall mango]

heres the dueling sword ive been using, havent been able to find a better one yet

[severe folio]

which one you are willing to sacrifice between shred and rampage

shred are more consistent, accessable

[stable silo]

swap either shred or or ramp to uncanny and crit chance to maniac and u got urself a pokey

[severe folio]

rampage is much much stronger

but might get patch in the future

[tall mango]

My build lets me get crits pretty easily

so i could part ways with shred

[stable silo]

crit dmg - maniac (or flak) IMO Maniac cause poking ragers and mutant is satisfying

[severe folio]

yes but thing is rampage might get patch in the future

when that happen you might have to get another ds

[tall mango]

I think Ill just get another dueling sword

wait until the next patch to see if rampage is nerfed or not

[severe folio]

should replace shred for now then

oh

yeah thats better

[stable silo]

try for a mk4

[azure bridge]

I'm at work and can't check to see, does anyone have a screenshot of the what the new psyker cosmetic looks like?

[severe folio]

wait thats an mk2

[severe folio]

they give you a spikier krieg boots

[azure bridge]

Tyvm

[tall mango]

please brunt give me a good mk4

so close

[ornate hamlet]

nice penetration

[tulip trench]

nice

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/barbie-ryan-gosling-glasses-margot-robbie-handsome-gif-13665100648649288173

[tall mango]

good enough

[tulip trench]

that moment when i buy 10 at a time

and still get trash lmao

[tall mango]

Ive had moments where id burn though 200k ordos and get absolutely nothing good

or ill get drops like this

[severe folio]

thats a heavy tactical axe

[cinder crown]

hi

what i am suppos to look for when getting staffs? i dont quite get wat void resistance and quell sped means

should it be higher % or less

[viscid matrix]

you really want at least 40 to have no bonus or negative on a weapon

[viscid matrix]

also check out the Atheneum #psyker-class message

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[viscid matrix]

oof that charge rate tho

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[viscid matrix]

😄 know the feeling, that charge rate is like 1s

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[viscid matrix]

actually its only .3 of a second

1.66 is fastest charge
1.9 is slowest

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[tall mango]

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[severe folio]

ironic the closest thing i can get to a sniper is a revolver

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[lethal lagoon]

Would probably feel identical to a sniper with the custom stuff and scope.

Man that mod is great

[severe folio]

i hope the sniper will be a punch through weapon

that penetrate through enemies

and bulwark shield

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[lethal lagoon]

Plasma but thinner

[tall mango]

i think a proper sniper would be perfect on vet and psyker

i really just want more weapons

praying the next patch has more weapons

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[tall mango]

surely it will right?

[untold widget]

Beam staff

giv pls

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[vapid lichen]

you need about 1400 to guarantee you get a weapon from gray to legendary

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[vapid lichen]

just get lucky 🫡

[severe folio]

the revolver punch through feels really good

means you can shoot through your allies

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[lethal lagoon]

Actual skill issue, just increase your luck stat.

(crying in no-surge)

[weak widget]

https://tenor.com/view/i-would-if-i-could-bitch-pimp-exit-like-fuck-you-okay-just-to-be-clear-laughing-at-you-like-gif-11796257

[potent echo]

Wait till they know about the pre13 plasteel exploit

[severe folio]

its never enough

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[lethal lagoon]

I mean the surge blessn

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[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff might be the most RNG friendly weapon in the game

[severe folio]

sometime your true calling is a weapon that you get a proper roll for the first time

[lethal lagoon]

It makes you feel that maybe the crafting system doesn't suck

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[severe folio]

Yes

[weak widget]

People hate every crafting system unless they get what they want right away

[severe folio]

shut up snake

[potent echo]

Are you defending this crafting system

[severe folio]

this isnt even a crafting system

[weak widget]

[severe folio]

people hate it because its not actually crafting

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[severe folio]

not because they dont get what they want

[weak widget]

playing devil's advocate

[severe folio]

the devil aint as dumb as you snake

[lethal lagoon]

I've always wondered if a pay-to-win system transplated to a game without pay-to-win would feel fun.

It doesn't.

[potent echo]

Lose to play

[weak widget]

I think it's not that bad if you consider it's just blatantly unfinished/rushed, it shows promise in that sense

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[lethal lagoon]

Untrue, OP crafting systems that devalue loot drops are often hated.

[potent echo]

It's awful

[severe folio]

well if its unfinished, rushed

then that explain it

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[severe folio]

however they ship this shit out as Full Price

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[severe folio]

If they ship it out at the right price of its progress then maybe it wouldnt be so bad

[potent echo]

Being better than before doesn't mean it isn't still awful

[lethal lagoon]

They could have avoided so much hate and would probably have a massive audience base right now if they were just honest and labled it early access.

[potent echo]

Considering you have to play 2 damnation wins to get 1 orange

[weak widget]

I'm not struggling to get decent weapons, you never need a perfect one

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[potent echo]

And the orange might not even be good

[lethal lagoon]

2 damnation wins, auric wins you often get less plasteel, being busy and all, what a great system.

[potent echo]

Don't be crazy I can't believe you actually think like that

[severe folio]

thats just you snake and it still doesnt excuse this poorly mishap they shipped out at $40

[weak widget]

well that's a whole other can of worms lol

[lethal lagoon]

I would have preferred an early access tag before I got addicted to the game when it came out.

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[severe folio]

its not a different can of worm snake its the same box that this can of worm is boxed in

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[potent echo]

Crafting still isn't finished

[weak widget]

this game needed at the very least one extra year before release

[potent echo]

Even with patch13

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[severe folio]

how did we enable game dev to do this sort of things

where was when game was shipped out as a complete product

[lethal lagoon]

How do you "fix" crafting without undoing all the hardwork people previously did?

[weak widget]

just hoping they didn't make long term concessions to release it as they did

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[potent echo]

You just undo all of it

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[potent echo]

There's no turning back

[severe folio]

this feels like we are cheated out of our money for promise

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[lethal lagoon]

I mean I dunno about you guys, but troubleshooting for hours was normal with old school PC games.

Were games ever "complete", meh

[severe folio]

we doomed our future gamers

[potent echo]

Definitely, but also technically they didnt promise a rewarding crafting system

[lethal lagoon]

Should of gatekeeped harder back when gaming was becoming mainstream

[severe folio]

they promised a $40 game, unless $40 doesnt mean anything anymore

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[weak widget]

hmm not exactly my experience from old games

[potent echo]

Nah it doesnt

Steam just allows publishers to set any price

[lethal lagoon]

Breh just dealing with bad CDs can be an all day experience.

[potent echo]

Dragon's dogma2 is 95 dollars in my region lmao

[severe folio]

we are fukin doomed

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[potent echo]

Pre order now!

[severe folio]

new generations will never know what is good game and good ethic anymore

[potent echo]

They all busy playing gacha games

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[potent echo]

To them fair is 5% SSR

[lethal lagoon]

Eh... if you go by other AA-AAA games, $40 was cheap.

For what we got

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[lethal lagoon]

Which is sad in it's own way

[weak widget]

anyway they could integrate a new refining mechanic to crafting to increase stats past 80, costing a lot of diamantum, perhaps a third blessing or some shit with caveats

[potent echo]

It's crazy how these companies all shifted the goalpost until a higher chance of p2w is considered generous

[lethal lagoon]

t6 drops with third blessings you get to attach with like 1k diamantum. Stats can be increased from a pool with diamantum.

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[lethal lagoon]

Dark Souls 2 was great and I will die on this hill.

[potent echo]

From software is weird

[weak widget]

just another layer on top of what exists that doesn't nullify what you ve worked to get

[potent echo]

They hate money

No dlc no nth

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[potent echo]

Not even cosmetics

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like japanese video game companies either are the greediest motherfuckers on the planet or have 0 greed, it's a weird paradigm.

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[severe folio]

looks like fromsoft have a straight narrative of what their game is about

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[weak widget]

dark souls are all overrated

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think souls ever had servers.

[potent echo]

They are just artists making nice games with flair, but they are really bad businessmen

[lethal lagoon]

Now their netcode is legendary lmao

[potent echo]

Very lite ones just to facilitate matchmaking and anti cheat

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[lethal lagoon]

Literally can't safely play on PC without a mod to patch it.

[lethal lagoon]

"anti-cheat"

[potent echo]

Yea well

[left hare]

can mkiv 1 tap mutants

[potent echo]

It's fromsoft, they are still using an engine from demon souls

Like 20 years alr

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[weak widget]

millions of people love a lot of trash shit because they're peer pressured into it

[late geyser]

holy shit the vanguard gear really fucking sucks

[potent echo]

Yes*

[late geyser]

for psyker

[potent echo]

You need to stack alot of buffs

Or crit

[lethal lagoon]

Is that the free one?

[spiral mist]

is it out yet?

[left hare]

How does deimos do it so consistently tho

[spiral mist]

are the new cosmetics out yet

[late geyser]

yes

[spiral mist]

people?

seriously

damn

[late geyser]

yes

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[potent echo]

It doesn't unless you have high peril

[spiral mist]

wtf didnt i see it

[potent echo]

Also it does more damage than mk4

[weak widget]

dark souls games are formulaic and uninspired imo, they're outdated mechanics wise, somehow spun hype through perceived difficulty

[potent echo]

Warp rider, unstable power if you have that, uncanny stacks help too

[left hare]

oh uncanny is a buff I get?

not a debuff on them?

[lethal lagoon]

Wow wtf, literally looks like the free armor, I'm ready for another riot in the forums when that shit drops

[potent echo]

The souls games are mainly about exploration, the fighting mechanics are really not that great

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[late geyser]

it's just a blue reskin of the regular free armor

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, it also applies to warpfire.

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[potent echo]

Not really, souls combat is really uninspired now

I'm so sick of their boss design, which is basically tap x to dodge at the right time

[late geyser]

this is worth 10k aquillas guys!

[potent echo]

Even with all the cool attacks you just respond the same way every time

[spiral mist]

hes right though

[weak widget]

no just my genuine opinion, I think they just aren't that interesting, even visually, it's not cohesive, there's an attempt at lore that doesn't stick and feels like random stories juxtaposed together

[spiral mist]

elden ring is fundamentally different to previous dark souls games

and thats why its good

traditional souls games are outdated

[potent echo]

Elden ring I only played once

No other playthroughs

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[lethal lagoon]

Not bloodborne, never bloodborne.

[potent echo]

I play monster hunter so.. yea

[spiral mist]

bloodbourne's setting and atmosphere is nuts

its the best dark fantasy setting of any video game in existence

[potent echo]

Spacing and anticipation matters when your weapons have ACTUAL COMBOS

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[potent echo]

Spacing out a fully charged TCS

Or guardpoint CB

[spiral mist]

also

the new vanguard cosmetics

are so bad

wtf is this

[potent echo]

All these are intricacies that dark souls combat doesn't have

[lethal lagoon]

One of the most popular novels in the world technically is a slight rip off of bloodborne lmao.

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[lethal lagoon]

It's just such a well done game.

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[spiral mist]

berserk?

wtf is this

excuse me

[lethal lagoon]

Chinese novel. That's why I said technically.

[spiral mist]

this is worse than some of the base cosmetics

[lethal lagoon]

Number wise it's definitely massive, but average western person wouldn't know it.

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[lethal lagoon]

That's like $40 of cosmetics.

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[lethal lagoon]

Fuck so beautiful.

[radiant sleet]

The zealot one is kinda cool IMO but the rest are super meh especially psyker

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[lethal lagoon]

I already get jump scared by vets that look like mobs, now I'm going to get jump scared by vets that look like snipers

[spiral mist]

agreed

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[spiral mist]

zealot is passable

fatshark owes us blood monies

betrayed their most loyal followers

[lethal lagoon]

"Super meh" is a compliment for the psyker one.

[spiral mist]

they pulled a fucking Horus on us

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[late geyser]

i mean, i would have been happy to spend money on aquilas eventually if we didn't get fucked over this much

[spiral mist]

Hold on hold hold on

did the xbox guys

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[spiral mist]

get the 10k aquilas

as well as these cosmetics???!!

[lethal lagoon]

They got 14k

[spiral mist]

did they get both?

[radiant sleet]

Yes they got both

[spiral mist]

sorry

[radiant sleet]

Apparently

[spiral mist]

14000 fucking aquilas

[lethal lagoon]

Only if they bought the game, gamepass doesn't.

[spiral mist]

WHAT

WTF

they get both

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah...

[spiral mist]

and we get dog

revenge

[left hare]

damn i could have gotten kriegs

[spiral mist]

we deserve revenge

[left hare]

With those aquilas

[spiral mist]

revenge

[lethal lagoon]

I hope the community never let's this go, I want my free shit.

[radiant sleet]

Allegedly plebbit was saying xbox got the cosmetics too

[spiral mist]

i will never let this go

[spiral mist]

tbh i dont give a shit about the cosmetics

its about the message

they gave 14k aquilas and our "exclusive" freebies to the xbox guys

This is worse than when my grandmother died and gave her car to my cousin

[radiant sleet]

You WILL wear the beta C-word helmet

You will NOT get aquilas or exclusives

And you WILL enjoy it

[sacred crane]

best gun to use with scriers gaze?

[loud garnet]

Columnus autogun I think

[spiral mist]

This is ok

This is not

[viscid matrix]

Vrak III or Kantreal XII are also good options if you don’t like the columnus

Also revolver or Laspistol

[viscid matrix]

The pants are the same as Krieg ones, except the boots are different and the colour is slightly bluer

[tall mango]

wait what? Seriously?

every set is a recolor with ONE new model btw

the helmet being said new model

(which isn’t even new in some cases)

[sacred crane]

Also I found out something: You can completely replace your gun as a scriers psyker with assail, also using assail as your only weapon than gains peril helps manage it
Edit: but still use gun during ability

[tall mango]

Vets being a remesh of his penance helmet

[spiral mist]

what is the name

[viscid matrix]

It’s not brand new, it’s the Illisi top with a new rebreather

[tall mango]

oh wait IT IS THAT

NONE OF THESE ARE NEW MODELS

it’s all fucking kit bashes

[viscid matrix]

Of course not, FS are lazy when it comes to cosmetics

[tall mango]

I wouldn’t say lazy, because the cosmetics they put effort into are pretty damm good

It’s the free stuff they’re very lazy with

[rigid rune]

haha get recolored

[viscid matrix]

Effort??? Like 90% are just recolours

[tall mango]

it’s definitely not that much

more like 60%, the other 40% being very nice armors

[rigid rune]

I want bigger hats

[tall mango]

such as zealots confessor armor, ogryns Bartell armor, that vet armor from launch idr the name

[radiant sleet]

I still think the most expensive free cosmetic for psyker (green/white for 1.5 mil dockets) is the best cosmetic in the game. But I'm heavily bias as a Death Guard enjoyer

[cloud heron]

you guys gotta just stop spending money on this stuff

[tall mango]

I’d disagree and say the trader hat for zealot is the best

zealot? man i’m tired

[viscid matrix]

Less than 50 total outfits, majority of them are almost the same as each other
For some the changes is just addons like grendade bandoliers, grenades, flasks and such
The only thing that has any effort invested in are the ship cosmetics, but even then it’s 4 total outfits every few months, and they reuse shit all the time

[tall mango]

Psyker

[radiant sleet]

Ohh yeah the rogue trader hat is pretty baller I'll say

[tall mango]

I love the hat

[viscid matrix]

Wish everyone would stop buying overpriced cosmetics, if FS stop making money from the shop, they will change the monetisation model

Will never happen tho

[viscid matrix]

It’s the exact same

[tall mango]

the mask comes from Kriegerhelm penance i thinks

[loud garnet]

Yes

[viscid matrix]

I wouldn’t be surprised if have made more money from the Krieg gear than they have from people buying the game

[tall mango]

they probably didn’t because of Xbox being able to buy them for just buying the game

[viscid matrix]

Pc players have to spend as much as the game is to buy the full set of Krieg gear

[tall mango]

compensation for 14k aquillas btw

I wont lie

the vet armor is nice

[loud garnet]

Well I'm fine with aquila

[proven stirrup]

I have better things to do than continue to scream into the void about corporate greed

[loud garnet]

I just want new skin

[tall mango]

but man does it just feel like a kick in the balls

[proven stirrup]

If I don't want something I wont spend money on it. If I don't get something because Reasons™

oh well

This is too much energy to spend on fruitless complaining

[viscid matrix]

If gave us 14k Aquila they wouldn’t make money this quarter

[spiral mist]

no more complaining

[tall mango]

were allowed to voice our complaints

[spiral mist]

start boycott

now

[tall mango]

you dont have to dick suck the big company this hard

[spiral mist]

nobody play this game on pc or xbox

until we get the justice we deserve

Fatshark has slighted us

[proven stirrup]

You are. I'm also allowed to be irritated by them

[spiral mist]

We shall return the blood debt ten fold

[viscid matrix]

Won’t work, only a small minority of players are on this discord

[proven stirrup]

Feel free to continue. As will I

[tall mango]

We should stop playing the game on the anniversery date

which...is tomorrow

[spiral mist]

That would be a start

[proven stirrup]

It would also barely register

[radiant sleet]

Yeah there will always be whales and microtransactions enjoyers. Rioting and quitting doesnt change a thing, I learned this the hard way with WOW and Lost Ark

[woeful patio]

We're so starved for actual content that the moment something is drip-fed people will return in droves

[tall mango]

im on the copium next patch will have new weapons

[woeful patio]

Maybe they wont stay, but the numbers will look good

[proven stirrup]

The shop existing at all is all it took to push people away that didn't like this game. Anyone still here has either spent money or is apathetic to it

[tall mango]

The shop is whatever

[woeful patio]

The issue isn't the shop existing, its that it was the ONLY functional thing about the game at launch

[tall mango]

Its the crafting that makes it hard to reccomend this game

[woeful patio]

We didn't have crafting, but fatshark made SURE they had avenues to get more money

[proven stirrup]

The crafting is fine

[tall mango]

yeah lmao

[woeful patio]

They also had several months worth of premium items at launch

Which shows where the priorities lie

[proven stirrup]

Wanting the game to just let you print your perfect items is the silly part here

[tall mango]

the crafting having "coming soon!" while the cosmetic shop was fully working was awful

[late geyser]

spending 1.5m ordos is not good

[tall mango]

this game NEEDED another year before releasing

[late geyser]

for one decent weapon

[woeful patio]

Spending 1.5m Ordo's for the CHANCE at a decent weapon

[ruby plover]

yes the priority of a business under capitalist systems is profit correct

[woeful patio]

Stats mean fuck all if the blessings and perks are ass

[proven stirrup]

Yes it is. The "decent" weapons come far before you spend that amount

[ruby plover]

if u got a problem with that shit u gotta start looking at how to dismantle capitalism

[proven stirrup]

You want Good.

[lyric burrow]

99% of people will not agree, if someone spends a million ordos to get 5 good weapons that all get bricked its enough for some people to not want to play the game anymore

[proven stirrup]

And they want you to not get that that soon

[radiant sleet]

I'll be honest, I love the gacha crafting but having diamantine > plasteel would make it less miserable at least. And I wont complain if they change crafting to be less gacha

[ruby plover]

before u start whining about agents working exactly as expexted under capitalism!

[proven stirrup]

I don't really care about what 99% of people want. that same bs percentage also just want VT2 but in space

[woeful patio]

V2 allowed us to transmog crafting materials

[proven stirrup]

Which would have been ok but they'd have been derided for being derivitive if that were how it turned out.

[woeful patio]

With only 2 mats we should be able to do the same

Forever poor on Plasteel

[ruby plover]

what do u think transmog means

[tall mango]

do we see the issue here

[proven stirrup]

I'm not saying the crafting system is perfect

[tall mango]

this alone highlights such a big issue with crafting

[proven stirrup]

Not one of us will deny the diamantine issues

[woeful patio]

Crafting was rushed just like the rest of the game

We're still in open beta 1 year later

[tall mango]

not just diamantine

[ruby plover]

lmfqo this guy only has 6k diamantine

broke ass fucking bitch

[lyric burrow]

Crafting is by far peoples biggest issue in the game and the thing my friends get frustrated with the quickest

[tall mango]

the HUGE lack of plasteel

[proven stirrup]

But the baseline structure of assembling weapons and curios is fine outside of like base roll fishing

Which I hate more than anything else

the rest I'm ok with

[lyric burrow]

That is not an ok crafting system

[tall mango]

getting only 300-400 plasteel per mission when it takes 1000ish to get a weapon from grey to yellow

[woeful patio]

Crafting is dogshit because after 200 hours I still haven't managed to get A SINGLE 17% TOUGHNESS CURIO

[lyric burrow]

This is half of the crafting tho

[proven stirrup]

I don't really agree. The bulk of the system works fine. It's base item acquisition that causes the friction

[tall mango]

lol i have three

rng is awesome!

[woeful patio]

I haven't even SEEN one

[tall mango]

i love rng!

[ruby plover]

me when im missing 1 single toughness

[tall mango]

I love not being able to get certain things because Im not lucky!

[ruby plover]

[woeful patio]

Crafting System is intentionally RNG reliant because they're content padding

[tall mango]

I love having to gamble for good stats!

[viscid matrix]

Spend your weekly currency on mystery curious, best way to bypass the 2 per hour shop

[proven stirrup]

Yeah

[ruby plover]

u definitely lose a lot of missions over that 1 toughness

[woeful patio]

I love RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG

Meaningful crafting system woooooo!!!

[tall mango]

the gameplay is good enough to ignore it sometimes

[lyric burrow]

That 1% toughness would have saved me from that bomber you know

[tall mango]

because FUCK the gameplay is good

[woeful patio]

Not for me

[ruby plover]

then dont play

[tall mango]

and unironically you can still do very well in auric damm with grey weapons

[ruby plover]

[proven stirrup]

There is a weird disconnect in genres with these systems clearly

[woeful patio]

It isn't the genre, its the devs

[ruby plover]

oh wait wtf

[radiant sleet]

The gameplay makes me cream every time so I can ignore the bad

[woeful patio]

This clearly isn't the A team

[proven stirrup]

RNG is my bread and butter in gaming. I grew up with diablo and diablo-likes

[ruby plover]

im in psyker chat

[proven stirrup]

This isn't that samy kind of game obviously

[lyric burrow]

I mean yeah i hate this crafting but ive still played for 840 hours

[ruby plover]

i was wondering why the conversarion was whiney dogshit

larer losers

[lyric burrow]

Games great

[woeful patio]

Game is definitely better than launch

Still a ways to go though

[tall mango]

imho

launch was worse than beta

[woeful patio]

AGREE

[proven stirrup]

But the fact that so many of you just straight up hate the gear grind makes me wonder what you even want because the only other systems would sorta make the game too solveable

[woeful patio]

Im not asking for top tier weapons to be handed to me

Some modicum of work is to be expected

[proven stirrup]

Yeah actually you are

[tall mango]

I want to have infinite refinements

[spice veldt]

practically, I don't see the crafting to be that bad since stats don't really vary much unless it's the trauma staff

but it certainly feels bad

[proven stirrup]

There's nothing between that and whaat we have now. I've yet to see anyone suggest anything that doesn't just completely undermine the system

[tall mango]

infinite refinement and increased plasteel gain is all i want

that still leaves room for finding the best stats (80% on everything) and finding the best blessings

[radiant sleet]

Feels good when you 1 tap surge IV, feels bad when you spend 40 missions trying to get something else

[tall mango]

you can add daily quests for plasteel, gives you more reason to play everyday as well

[woeful patio]

Performing a difficult task to get materials to further refine a particular weapon > Spend time/materials and pray to RNG that you get what you want

[tall mango]

because the weeklies SUCK

fuck theyre the actual worst

[severe folio]

they gonna keep the RNG brunt but now weapon has a chance to go above 80

[lyric burrow]

Tbf even getting 4 stats at 70+ can be difficult

[tall mango]

not because they suck to do(other than 16 scrips/grims) but because theyre too easy

[severe folio]

why because it milk out more money

[woeful patio]

What do you mean? You don't enjoy scavenging 16 Scriptures/Grims every week?

Thats the highlight of my life

[tall mango]

LOL

theyre the best

[zinc phoenix]

I honestly don’t care about stats

[tall mango]

I love using my free refresh on those

[radiant sleet]

I always swap grim/scrip pickup

[brazen warren]

what is going on with weapon stats?

[viscid matrix]

I’m dropping the game if they do that

[severe folio]

MONEY BABYYY

[zinc phoenix]

Like so long as it’s above 350 and damage isn’t the dump stat we good

[severe folio]

FUK THE PLAYER BASE AMIRITE

[woeful patio]

Playerbase? You mean cash cows?

[tall mango]

you want everything besides dump stat above 70

[severe folio]

cattles

[tall mango]

for example

[zinc phoenix]

Listen if they keep making such a great product they can have my soulful lowing

🐮 💰

I won’t buy outfits tho

Can’t use steam bucks

[severe folio]

great product =/= money making product

[potent echo]

ReJeCtS

[woeful patio]

Selling the game itself is secondary to selling cosmetics

thats my issue

[viscid matrix]

Cosmetics make more money than the game

[woeful patio]

OFC, you can only buy the game once

[tall mango]

@woeful patio

[severe folio]

have to ask this question, why do they need to sell cosmetic more than the game itself

[woeful patio]

FUCK YOUUUUU

[potent echo]

It's a live service

[zinc phoenix]

If they’d let me use steam bucks to buy cosmetics I would because I can get the 5% cash back from buying them at grocery store. But paying the sucker price? No way

[severe folio]

what are they using that money for

where does the money from buying the game goes

[woeful patio]

Not development clearly

[potent echo]

They have to pay for server upkeep, but also more updates, more engagement, more cosmetics

[severe folio]

why would they need a constant flow of mone yfrom cosmetic

[woeful patio]

Tons of shit in the files that have existed since launch still aren't implimented

[tall mango]

Theyre trying to be a live service game

[spice veldt]

without cosmetics, buying the game is a one-time deal tbf

[zinc phoenix]

This may shock you but humans need food

[potent echo]

Emphasis on trying

[tall mango]

also like

[zinc phoenix]

And food is not a one time purchase

[tall mango]

on the topic of cosmetics

[severe folio]

yes so lets just say they need to make a living on that

[spice veldt]

cosmetics are essentially an infinitely repeatable flow of money for them

[severe folio]

why didnt game dev do this in the past

[zinc phoenix]

Also, you don’t have to buy the cosmetics you literal human gourds

[tall mango]

im not the only one who really wants this as a coat right?

[spice veldt]

and it is a proven model

[severe folio]

how did they make a living in the past without selling cosmetic in a one time paid game

[potent echo]

Because they just made vermintide 2

And then vermintide 3

And also dlcs

[severe folio]

ah so they made more other games instead

[potent echo]

Ofc

[severe folio]

so now we

[woeful patio]

Cosmetics as a system for revenue is fine, my qualm is the amount of effort they're putting forth into the quality of said cosmetics to (seemingly) development

[severe folio]

are left with

this thing

[tall mango]

i miss dreadlands

[severe folio]

this

[potent echo]

Live services aren't a novel concept

[severe folio]

half baked game

with a fully baked money generating department

[zinc phoenix]

In the past you had to buy map packs and expansions to play the game

[woeful patio]

They even changed the shop to be FOMO, when at launch everything new was static and didn't rotate out

[potent echo]

But the thing is darktide isn't a successful live service yet

[radiant sleet]

Imagine if fatshark let us buy dockets and plasteel with real money and changed max stat roll to 100

[severe folio]

see why it is not a very nice looking sight

its because they still want money

[zinc phoenix]

And development stopped after a year so the devs could work on the next title

[severe folio]

when they havent deliver their product

[zinc phoenix]

K

[severe folio]

thats not a very good thing you know

[zinc phoenix]

You’re a gourd

[proven stirrup]

The product is right here

[severe folio]

what does that mean

[tall mango]

If your only response to genuine criticism is calling them a gourd, which, what does that even mean

[proven stirrup]

Just because you don't like what's in front of you doesn't mean it doesn't exist

[woeful patio]

Me when I see a Zealot with a knife

[tall mango]

the game exists in a half baked state

[woeful patio]

Game is still Open Beta one year after release

It never ended

[severe folio]

you cannot tell me what in front of me is the representation of $40

[tall mango]

We launched in alpha

[radiant sleet]

Never seen someone use gourd as an insult, I'm stealing that

[proven stirrup]

You people are clowning

[tall mango]

the talent trees put us in beta

were almost at launch!

[severe folio]

Well

Keep that attitude they love that attitude the most

heres half of your game, now lick our balls

[proven stirrup]

At the end of the day, the live service model works... to a point

[tall mango]

genuine criticism = clowning

cool!

[proven stirrup]

No see

[woeful patio]

I refuse to sup from the teat of fatshark, the criticism they get is warranted as we're paying customers

[severe folio]

And the slop continue to slip

[proven stirrup]

Calling the game "unfinished" is stupid

[woeful patio]

Finish your fucking product before selling it

IT IS LITERALLY UNFINISHED

[severe folio]

No the game is fukin unfinished

[proven stirrup]

It wasn't done at the initial launch

[woeful patio]

And it isn't done now

[proven stirrup]

but I'm still not sure what you gonks thing is missing

[woeful patio]

1 year after release

[severe folio]

It wasn't done when they release on steam, and it hasn't been done right now

If this is the full image of their game

[proven stirrup]

Still waiting on a quantifiable list of promised features missing from the base game

[light latch]

Is every video game not a unfinished product in 2023

[severe folio]

if this whole conundrum that we are having is what their image of the game

This broken ass shop

This ever tuned AI Director

[proven stirrup]

???

Ah... anyway, I'm of a mind to just settle on people not realizing live services are never "finished"

[tall mango]

Were missing a story, the crafting system is still half baked, weapon variety needs more work, certain characters feel like they need more work, the sound system is broken, FOMO shop

[severe folio]

You cannot tell me that this is all my $40 offer

[tall mango]

should I keep going

[spice veldt]

depends on how many hours you got out of that $40 bucks

[proven stirrup]

This isn't "unfinished". This is you not liking what they gave you

Which is perfectly valid

But the game is as done as its going to get

[severe folio]

So youre saying you are enjoying this game as it is right now

[proven stirrup]

Now they're finally getting to the "add to it" part

[spiral mist]

thats going to be a serious problem

ive got a couple thousand hours in this game

[tall mango]

was advertised to have a story
hired a renowned writer to make the story
missing a story

[spiral mist]

the crafting system is crooked at best

[tall mango]

the missions are just, missions

[severe folio]

If this is the

standard

[proven stirrup]

That's not a problem it's part of the model

[severe folio]

then fuk me

[proven stirrup]

Things can change, will change

[severe folio]

that's not very promising

[tall mango]

and the 'story' we have is literally just a few cutscenes youll see when leveling

[spiral mist]

honestly this game has less than 30% of what id like to see

[severe folio]

I dont know why i paid 40 for this then

well fuk

[tall mango]

This game is 50% there for me

[severe folio]

I guess I was falsely advertised

[proven stirrup]

But you don't actually get to dictate how and when those changes happen

[spiral mist]

This game is as good as BG3 was in beta

[proven stirrup]

You simply get to steer the what

mildly

[vapid willow]

Uh yeah that’s why we’re playing it right

[light latch]

Yall sound like a bunch of addicts lmaoooo

[proven stirrup]

Yeah, game's fun despite your gripes

[severe folio]

hm

[tall mango]

if they add the story, finish the crafting, balance out the characters, and add some more weapons, perfect game

[severe folio]

well that settle it then

[wanton sandal]

typical fatshark

[severe folio]

gamer get what they deserve

[proven stirrup]

That's the whole point here. The game is still fun. Playable. Mildly smooth :V

[wanton sandal]

goty in 2 years lets go

[tall mango]

yessir

[severe folio]

gamer always get what they deserve

[proven stirrup]

No one here says the game is perfect but stop acting like they've pulled the rug out from under you.

[wanton sandal]

this, it's still pretty fun to play

[tall mango]

the soundtrack and gameplay make the game worth playing, but everything else drags it down

[severe folio]

No they fukin pulled the rug under me

[solar sand]

whats void cleave now, like 2?

[spice veldt]

12

[solar sand]

i dont feels like much