psyker-class

[spice veldt]

instead of sticking into one enemy and being done

[floral kayak]

how is that?

[rare storm]

shred is good too for crit builds

[severe folio]

hopeful

[rare storm]

may hadron not brick

[gleaming depot]

ooo i like me some crowd control

[vast yew]

Okay guys I need some advice

[rare storm]

The satisfaction of a horde clear with a single charged h1

deimos could never

[floral kayak]

Which version of the weapon do you run? I have no idea on hte differences

[vast yew]

do I change Unyielding on this staff to something else (Flak?) or just take the 4% crit chance to 5%

[urban sandal]

savage sweep and rampage for horde clearing, shred can work for crits, then flak/maniac or unyielding depending on what you're planning on fighting with it. getting stamina locked in isn't terrible either if you wanna parry but it isn't ideal

[spice veldt]

if you do use an illisi in the future, I'll indoctrinate you early on by telling you to use the illisi by spamming the special if you can afford the peril and space

[vast yew]

I'm pretty sure I want Flak

[spice veldt]

though, for single-target and against non-Unyielding targets, normals are fine

[floral kayak]

Special lights or special heavies?

[spice veldt]

but if you're using the illisi for hordeclear with some amount of density, spam the special

special-heavies are preferable for peril efficiency

[rare storm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C7cqUcJ8u5o here's a video showing every melee in the game

pick your poison

[urban sandal]

just change unyielding to whatever you have more trouble with and you're golden

[spice veldt]

last time I tested it in patch 12, there wasn't much of a difference between special-lights and special-heavies in terms of clear times besides breakpoint shenanigans

[vast yew]

Yeah that's what I figured; Flak hits Scabs, especially Bruisers and Maulers

[wheat quartz]

I feel like you have to do the fist pump in between special heavies if you don't wanna get tagged

[spice veldt]

I do some special-lights if I activate a special and realize that I don't have enough space for a heavy

[wheat quartz]

special lights seem to need less of that

[spice veldt]

since the illisi's first light is an Uninterruptible attack (can't get staggered out of the attack animation)

[wheat quartz]

that'd explain it, I didn't know that

[spice veldt]

I usually have enough space to spam special heavies

[floral kayak]

Cheers

[spice veldt]

another piece of advice is to spam sideways dodges when fighting hordes, assuming that there aren't enemies off to your side

[unborn flicker]

So I am dueling noob, is this good?

[spice veldt]

it's much safer to dodge sideways than away

[rare storm]

I would do flak ye

instead of unyielding

you won't really be doing monstrosities or crushers with this trauma

[spice veldt]

if you dodge away, then enemies can initiate running attacks which have a longer dodge catch and will physically catch up to you anyways
If you dodge sideways, enemies are likely to bodyblock each other, and you get to move out of the way of attacks by going to the side if their melee attack can have its tracking broken

[rare storm]

I'd like more pen

But it's pretty good

change the perks to maniac/unyielding

[spice veldt]

back in the days of infinite dodges https://streamable.com/thwtqw

the sheer amount of SKILL and LOGIC to spam sideways dodges

[unborn flicker]

ill need to save more plasteel then, ty @rare storm

[rare storm]

if you ever consider getting a new one, the dump stat would be mobility

[vast yew]

I thought Cleave Damage was dump on Dueling

cuz you only cleave like 2 guys anyways

and the Mobility gets insane

[rare storm]

illisi so good

[gleaming depot]

havnt touched this one yet. should i swap run n gun with surge or peril? also dont know if i wanna keep flurry or swap for nexus

[spice veldt]

the name "Cleave Damage" is also a really bad name

the "Cleave Damage" stat affects Unarmoured, Flak, and Infested armour damage modifiers in actuality

[gleaming depot]

fr though gonna have to spec into illisi

[vast yew]

even for first targets?

[spice veldt]

mhm

[vast yew]

that's a bit annoying

Fatshark why are you like this

[rare storm]

FS descriptions

[spice veldt]

but it turns out that you don't need to care about cleave damage anyways

[bleak tulip]

how hard does it cleave your first target

[spice veldt]

because on the mk2 and mk4, cleave damage is bugged to not scale Flak at all

[bleak tulip]

perfectly sensible

[spice veldt]

so it only scales unarmoured and infested armour damage modifiers

[vast yew]

... of course it is

[spice veldt]

(The "Penetration" stat also doesn't scale Flak armour damage modifiers on the mk2 and mk4)

[floral kayak]

I have this terrible mobility one. Worth?

[vast yew]

[spice veldt]

presumably, Cleave Damage and Penetration scaling the same stat is resulting in it having some default value or something

[gleaming depot]

woa

[floral kayak]

Has 4 dodges still

[rare storm]

Eh... you can try

See what your next perk is

[vast yew]

So I can confirm that 70% Trauma Staff w/ +Flak can one-shot Bruisers without a crit

yeehaw

[gleaming depot]

what difficulty?

[floral kayak]

Wow just tried attack pattern 🤢 pretty bad for armor

[vast yew]

Damnation

[spice veldt]

yeah, the mk7 has the strikedown as the 2nd heavy which is a shame

I know that it has a combo involving its push-attack, but I don't know much beyond that

[urban sandal]

mk4 is generally considered the better dclaw but it's mostly preference

[rare storm]

Ye it's push-h1-push-h1 I think

[lyric burrow]

ive also been going back to illisi

for old times sake

-8/5 dodges my beloved

[spice veldt]

ikr

my old habits are destroying me on the new illisi

[vast yew]

I regularly switch between Illisi, Deimos, and Mk4 Dueling

they're all nuts

[spice veldt]

i can't brainlessly spam dodges anymore

[lyric burrow]

they havent gotten me killed yet im just like

oh right

[rare storm]

Unlimited dodge andies

[spice veldt]

yeah not too bad so far

but some sketchy situations involving inefficient dodges and overheads have occurred

thank god they have peepee poopoo dodge catch

[lyric burrow]

they better

[floral kayak]

I have the Mez mod pack, how do I make the creatures have enabled AI?

[lyric burrow]

one shotting showing up im groups of 15

[rare storm]

I miss being able to spam dodge away from daemonhosts tho

[lyric burrow]

silent

looking ass crushers

[spice veldt]

Creature Spawner mod -> turn off invisibility

[floral kayak]

Thank you so much

[spice veldt]

i got snooketh upon by a crusher from behind

and was immediately atomized

[clear heath]

yeah it fucks with me more than i could've expected

[urban sandal]

just don't do that in the middle of all the enemies you gonna get ganked

[feral stream]

New to Psyker here, what weapons/skills are good against carapace?

[clear heath]

i thought illisi having dodge cap would fix my bad habits
no i still have them. i just suffer from them now

[spice veldt]

mk4 duelling sword and deimos force sword are the usual weapons to use against carapace

[feral stream]

Great Thanks

[spice veldt]

there's voidstrike which I don't know its DPS against the crusher
there's Trauma to stagger crushers

[lyric burrow]

void is still good

surge is like usable

[rare storm]

fr, those big mfkers in giant clad metal armor are ninjas

[urban sandal]

trauma staff throws them around like babies, void strike staff will kill them quicker though

[fallen zodiac]

purg does nothing to crushers

[lyric burrow]

trauma is great for melee only maelstrom tho

[urban sandal]

probably the best weapon for it

[lyric burrow]

cause nothing can tough you anymore

other than the specialists

although i did one where i got ranged elites

which was annoyign

like gunners not snipers

first time i saw them

[fallen zodiac]

what arcotash said, ideally the weapons have uncanny strike blessings

[proven beacon]

Stick with brain exploding blitz or are the other two fine as well?

[lyric burrow]

assail is much better

BB is ok

[feral stream]

Awesome Thanks, I'll make some effort to get those

[lyric burrow]

smite is fine too if you like that playstyle

[rare storm]

it ultimately depends on what you're running

[urban sandal]

brain burst is generally the weakest of the 3

I still swear by it though

[rare storm]

I BEG TO DIFFER

I will die on the hill that BB is the best dps that psyker has

for monstrosity killing at least

and any other actual use case

where people just spam their blitz and ultimately die

[vast yew]

Brain Burst + Empowered Psionics makes for Gunner deleting

[proven beacon]

Well, it's certainly been more helpful with single target damage like that.

[vast yew]

and Assail locks me out of the 5% Cooldown on Elite/Specialist kill Aura talent

[rare storm]

Gets rid of snipers that your team should be shooting but don't too

[proven beacon]

Not many krak grenade veterans in my quickplays as a new pskyer operative

[rare storm]

^

[fallen zodiac]

assail deals w snipers easier than bb imo

[spice veldt]

its base DPS with resonance and EP and without QQ cancelling against unyielding is like 1.1k, before factoring the need to quell (though I'm also not factoring in warp rider)

[urban sandal]

also anyone with a revolver does literally everything brain burst can do but better

[vast yew]

Fun tech for BB btw: if you have a stack of Empowered Psionics, it doesn't cost any Perils.
This includes the Right Click

which means you can just hold Right click forever until you see a target

[rare storm]

You can't hide behind a corner and kill something with a revolver

[vast yew]

then POP

[urban sandal]

by the time you lock onto the target with bb the revolver could have shot them and done the same amount of damage if not more

[rare storm]

I've seen so many zealots run around with a revolver, miss 3 shots then get sniped

then cry they have no health

[spice veldt]

my response to the "behind cover" argument is that you can always just rush ahead if you have the build for it and are comfortable with it

[vast yew]

The problem with the Revolver is I can't run it and a Force Staff

[rare storm]

because no martydom

[spice veldt]

and if you have assail, then that makes it easier to run into the fray

since the shards will stay alive for a few seconds after being thrown as you run

[rare storm]

or you can let other people deal with the sniper far away and target other things

Assail in general is just fuck busted

[vast yew]

Out of curiousity what Keystone do you Assail officiandos take

[spice veldt]

i take Disrupt Destiny

[lyric burrow]

depends on build

usually DD

[spice veldt]

since I'm not interested in spamming assail

[rare storm]

But bb has a better overall play with staffs

[spice veldt]

I don't take EP unless I'm on maximum brain off mode

[rare storm]

because it doesn't become a 3rd weapon

where assail is still basically a 3rd weapon

[lyric burrow]

although the spam is still quite good without EP lol

[spice veldt]

brain burst is going to be a 3rd weapon especially if running staffs that aren't vstrike

[lyric burrow]

but DD does feel quite good and its very fun

[vast yew]

EP for me is when Talents get tight, since it cost 2 less points than Warp Siphon (I despise DD)

[proven beacon]

I guess I'm just playing assail wrong then

[spice veldt]

oh wait surge became the way it is nowdays

[vast yew]

but then again they buffed DD right? Might be better now

[spice veldt]

i forgor about surge

[urban sandal]

I use brain burst as a 3rd weapon without EP

[rare storm]

At least you have to consciously pick your targets, but with assail, you see a group, just spam into it

it's a playstyle thing I get

but I just prefer bb

[vast yew]

I think I'd run Assail with Surge, since Surge doesn't have good horde clear or sniping at range

for my Fire Trauma I prefer BB, because if I could spam Assail into it I could also just... blow it up

[lyric burrow]

assail/illisi/surge is one of my fav builds rn

[vast yew]

That was the exact build I was thinking

problem: I don't have a good Surge

[proven beacon]

Is it too much to ask for decent hoard clear whilst also having some effectiveness against unyielding/monstrosity?

[rare storm]

not buffed

they fixed it

[vast yew]

tomato tomahto

[rare storm]

Things are finally glowing properly

which I guess

yes can be counted as a buff

[vast yew]

Might be time to give it another whirl then

[urban sandal]

devils claw got you covered parry bosses and cleave hordes

[vast yew]

I know Assail/Revolver also works pretty well

[vapid lichen]

pog the milkman is selling a rapier with uncanny 4 on it
time to buy it and eat it for the blessing

[rare storm]

You can now reliably run the 30 stacks of DD and actually mantain it now

[vast yew]

[potent echo]

His name is slowly devolving into some warp based horror

[vast yew]

well I know what I'm testing soon

[spice veldt]

they fixed marked enemies not glowing yeah

which is nice

the damage buffs from DD are certainly very appreciable if you've got weapons that can take proper advantage of it

[potent echo]

Should I run 30 instead of extended duration 🤔

[spice veldt]

i don't do crack cocaine so I just run extended duration usually

[rare storm]

it's a preference

Ye with 30, you'd play to actively hunt and shoot anything glowing

Like aimlabs but in darktide

with extended duration you can be more chill about it

[potent echo]

Aimlabs with my assail/surge build

Did someone say autoaim

[bitter escarp]

noaimlabs

cardinal direction labs sounds wrong though

[potent echo]

Cardinal

[tawny pebble]

i've never heard him called the milkman before and i am in stitches

[tulip trench]

blazing spirit good on illisi?

i want slaughterer and what else?

[vapid lichen]

no

im using a blazing illisi right now

it sucks

[tulip trench]

good to know lmao

so

slaughterer

and

[vapid lichen]

uncanny

[gloomy magnet]

Whenever siblings talk about uncanny, I always think of that cat

[rare storm]

I demand to know what cat

[ornate hamlet]

Uncanny is the mandatory one, but slaughterer might as well be preference with how hard you can still hit hordes

Though slaughterer does provide good horde clear

[rare storm]

Ah

a good lad

[potent echo]

Uncat

[ornate hamlet]

Now that illisi can be more defined for dealing with larger enemies due to the rending changes, it lost some of its identity as a horde melee, which I do like

It's fun dealing full carapace damage without worrying too much about it

[plucky flax]

Why me?

[lethal lagoon]

The new meta has arrived, and you are it's herald. You can literally run nothing else.

[lethal lagoon]

Let's see if I can get a single game where I reach 30 DD.

I've been running it on the psyker I'm leveling again(leftover from when I leveled with friends), DD seems pretty solid atm.

Random DD targets completely away from the current area still suck though

@AllGunkers what sight do you use on Columbus?

[rare storm]

iron

[lethal lagoon]

The original?

Or a diff one?

[rare storm]

hits different for me

[ripe yacht]

Is illisi strictly the best force sword then? And nevermind Deimos for single target?

[rare storm]

Errr I think so?

I honestly don't remember what I swapped it to

or what the original was LOL

[rare storm]

it's been going well for me, may it treat you as well

[lethal lagoon]

I've been using las pistol as usual for autoguns.

dunno if it's best for columbus though

That first volley is so weird.

[rare storm]

ye the initial kick feels kinda off

It feels even worse with a sight for me

[ornate hamlet]

Personally, I have not been able to make the deimos work for what I want it to and I don't like its special gluing you to the enemy

[compact bluff]

the deimos still has really good single target damage but generally if you need something with better single target you just use the mk4 duelling sword

[ornate hamlet]

I do lament the illisi not having the deimos' god-tier pokes, but it's a tradeoff for the much easier and frequent special

Oh yeah, and the mk4 dueling sword has ridiculous heavies now

[vapid lichen]

i use the deimos with my fire trauma build and it's really nice for killing ragers and crushers and stuff but i might go with ds4 now since i built one

[lethal lagoon]

Deimos has no purpose atm 😦

Just a worse psyker version of the mk4

Unless you love deflector or sumthin.

[ornate hamlet]

Oh yeah, and mk4's specials stun ragers

[compact bluff]

i use it cuz i love superiority and think its the most fun blessing in the game. though admittedly its worse

[ornate hamlet]

You can easily heavy-special or special-heavy them

[lethal lagoon]

headpoking ragers is 😋

[ripe yacht]

I am opposed to using a non force weapon on the psyker, lol. But I've heard that before.

Currently using Deimos for single target to back up my purgatus. Feels fine, but in always looking for something better.

[compact bluff]

the deimos heavy stab also staggers ragers, and its force push attack was changed to have like a 10 meter range which is fun

[lethal lagoon]

dueling sword is psyker only, so it's honestly kinda weird there's no peril gen on any of it.

Special could easily be some sort of peril stab or something.

Extra stagger

[ripe yacht]

Oh really.

That makes it a little more interesting.

[spice veldt]

i keep forgetting about the push-attacks on force swords after so long of not using it because I usually run trauma

[compact bluff]

no it doesnt have that, its just a generic high stagger quick stab right now

[lethal lagoon]

50% of veterans and 99% of zealots would be running dueling sword if they had it.

[spice veldt]

i got owned by a single rager because i didn't realize that getting hit while reloading puts you in a long stagger

[compact bluff]

theyre just suggesting it could be more interesting with a peril-using special

[spice veldt]

which could've been solved by just push-attacking

[lethal lagoon]

He meant dueling sword being psyker only I think

[ripe yacht]

No, being psyker only.

[lethal lagoon]

🙂

[ripe yacht]

But peril gen would automatically be more interesting too.

[lethal lagoon]

Just the little psyker push on laspistol makes it so much more interesting

No reason not to add that to dueling sword in some way.

[lethal lagoon]

Oh yeah, las pistol has the "force sword push" as its special, if you didn't know.

[rare storm]

it's a fucken force field

[lethal lagoon]

Wait, can you hold it or something?

[rare storm]

no but if you spam it

a big cone infront of you flies backwards

[solar sand]

is there any build where this damage is relevant?

[lethal lagoon]

No.

[solar sand]

i certainly havent found one

[strong gulch]

Me except I went to use dueling sword special only to realize that I had a knife. 🙃

[rare storm]

nope

[rare storm]

rip

[lethal lagoon]

It might have been viable if the warp charge bug worked on shriek back in patch 13.

But flame would probably still be better.

[rare storm]

From long poke stick to short stick

[compact bluff]

the only vague niche use-case is when you use it with empowered smite to instakill the horde after a cast but its still worse than creeping flames

[vapid lichen]

call that fumbling the mag

[tulip trench]

nice

[cerulean lily]

Do any psykers ever take an extra wound ? Especially in damnation ?

[lethal lagoon]

1 wound, 1 hp, 1 toughness is fairly common.

[rare storm]

It's a good fail safe

[lethal lagoon]

I prefer 2 tough, 1 hp, or 3 toughness personally.

I rarely am in position where the extra wound matters.

It just taunts me when I'm the last one alive.

[rare storm]

Fuuck when the days are bad tho

2 wounds only sucks shit

[cerulean lily]

2 is rough

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, revives are so friendly nowadays though.

I can't see wounds mattering.

Like 50% of the time you spawn like 30 seconds from your team

[tulip trench]

man.... flat stun shield is ass compared to bubble

[rare storm]

I have a good wound curios in my storage just for days when I feel like I'm playing off honestly

[lethal lagoon]

I have wound curios ready for when they buff the the fuck out of the psyker explosion

[tulip trench]

maybe in very specific maelstrom maps

[lethal lagoon]

[rare storm]

Play as a daemonhost when

[lethal lagoon]

^my face when I kill a crusher pack by exploding

eventually.

[sacred crane]

best psyker secondary weapon overrall?

[rare storm]

I managed to get an explo kill on a pogryn

feels good

[potent echo]

I just imagined the crushers faces doing that when they see a reject exploding now

[lethal lagoon]

10 seconds as a Deamonhost every explosion, oh man, wound psyker bout to dominate the game.

[rare storm]

shit would be fuuuun

[lethal lagoon]

That would be so horrible for the co-op enviroment though lmao

[strong gulch]

When I been in a situation where a +1 wound is generally helpful, it's for something specific like grim hunting.

Otherwise if I go down enough to need it, then I have other problems happening and that +1 wound is delaying the inevitable.

That's just me tho.

[rare storm]

Everybody bout to be a heretic in my eyes

[lethal lagoon]

This is the general pov on wounds

And why if you queue with someone with a bunch of wounds you are probably in for a rough time.

[rare storm]

I mean

martydom exists

[vapid lichen]

i never used a wound curio for a long time because i didn't know what "+1 Wound" meant so i just avoided it

lmfao

[rare storm]

Martydom psyker when

[vapid lichen]

now im used to not having it

[tulip trench]

ya i feel like its the
"expecting to die," mentality
vs
toughness being the "i refuse to die" mentality

[rare storm]

Also nah, stun shield is good

[lethal lagoon]

I've run into maybe 1 martydom zealot actually good.

[rare storm]

It's just that you can't use it as aggresively as the dome

[tulip trench]

does it not stun ragers?

[lethal lagoon]

Most are just walking memes

[pale pilot]

i take +1 wound for that safety net. it can carry me to the next health station

[rare storm]

I use it to save team from mutants and ragers

it does

but it's kinda weird

where you need to place it a little earlier

[pale pilot]

but i've run into too many situations where i can basically be downed, picked up into some shit and instantly die

[tulip trench]

it 100% let 5 of the through right in front of my eyes

[rare storm]

If not they kinda run through

[tulip trench]

lmao

[lethal lagoon]

Save your team from mutants by one tapping with mk4

[strong gulch]

There was one time I saw someone have a bunch of wounds who did go down a lot but not too much more than the rest of us plus the map was stingy on heals. So them having wound to heal themselves worked out, but that was 1 time.

[rare storm]

You gotta place it further back

[lethal lagoon]

Ogryns with 6 wounds scare me

[rare storm]

There's some weird hitbox issue on ragers

[tulip trench]

fair

[rare storm]

but I think you only get to stun about 2-3

[half turtle]

flatshield always stuns muties but only has % chance to stun ragers i think

[rare storm]

but in most cases you should be able to stun lock them with your staff

[half turtle]

and the % is lowish

[strong gulch]

Ragers got big shoulders.

[rare storm]

I usually use it to save teams from mutants or trappers

[strong gulch]

Shoulder pads from the 80s could never.

[tulip trench]

was using voidstrike at the time rip

[rare storm]

void is the perfect thing to stunlock them

[half turtle]

IMO flatshield is amazing in specifically mutant-wave maelstroms and maybe hunting grounds

oh poxburster maelstroms too

[rare storm]

TRUE

[tulip trench]

ya was high peril, just finished killing bulwarks+crushers when the ragers rushed me

[half turtle]

i don't love it normally

[copper lava]

hey guys rq, what 2 things would you change on this puppy?

[tulip trench]

feelsbadman

[strong gulch]

I've seen flat shield be amazing. Takes more brain power tho.

[half turtle]

roll perks to flak/maniac maybe

i think both blessings are pretty decent

[strong gulch]

I think flat shield has more potential that rewards skilled play, but bubble is easy.

[lethal lagoon]

Bubble toughness regen also kinda dumb

[copper lava]

just wondering if it would be better to get slaughter over unstable peril and then what perk to change

[lethal lagoon]

Don't even have to block ranged units with it

Protects agaisnt everything

[tulip trench]

agreed, swapping to illisi when peril is high is nice
for unstable

[rare storm]

yea bubble pretty brain dead

[half turtle]

my main problem with flatshield as a bread and butter is that it sometimes just refuses to cast because there's a tiny box on the floor or something

[rare storm]

Plop it down and you're good in all sides

[lethal lagoon]

Bubble will literally cause a mutant to do 0 damage.

So like one shield blocks mutants, one negates them

[rare storm]

I also like that flat shield's double charge node lets me do huge burst dmg with BB

[half turtle]

i think the problem with mutants isn't the damage though, but the fact that it repositions you randomly, sometimes into really terrible positions

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, I never thought about that, kinda wanna run an old school BB build.

[rare storm]

run it with EP

[strong gulch]

flaniac perks (flak + maniac)

Slaughter fecking great, but if you keep some peril up, current blessing are good.

[half turtle]

BB is still my go-to in auric+ and it's still good

[rare storm]

You can take out 2/3 of a monstrosities hp bar with 2 shields

[half turtle]

F > BB with perilous combustion vanishes shotgunner and gunner packs

it 1-shots a lot of stuff with EP stacks too

although it's a bit awkward to play sometimes when you don't have any

[strong gulch]

Ugh that is annoying. That would make me bonkers. Like a hair stuck to my face.

[copper lava]

ill give it a try, ty ty!

[lethal lagoon]

EP stacks should be a 5-10 second buff or something.

For BB

It's too unrewarding atm, forces you to target one shottable elites

[rare storm]

yeah, to specials/elites it's kinda ass

[half turtle]

yeah there's also some dumb bs you have to do bc it doesn't proc on specials, only elites

[rare storm]

but the damage boost and no cost is good for bossing

[half turtle]

so if there's 3 gunners and a bomber and you have 1 stack you have to kill the gunners first

[rare storm]

BB is... fine... but a buff would do it so much better

LET BB CRIT

[lethal lagoon]

I'd rather fix the mechanics to faciltate BB better, than just a flat buff.

[rare storm]

Trueaim + bb would be insane

[half turtle]

tbh i think bb would be top tier if the "get 1 stack on elite kill" became "get 1 stack on elite or special kill"

you can already kinda hold down an entire disabler spawn in an auric histg

using the F speed and EP

[rare storm]

Let bb do spread damage to surrounding enemies

[half turtle]

perilous combustion

[rare storm]

That can ADD to pc

[lethal lagoon]

BB doing warpfire on hit was so fucking nice

I loved that shit.

I'd bb 90% of a game and top DPS

[half turtle]

idk i actually think power-level on BB is fine, it's just a bit annoying

i've been running almost nothing but knife/trauma/bb with shriek/ep and it works great

[lethal lagoon]

I've been running UNLIMITED POWER, since after 3 patchs and tons of hotfixs, EP Smite/Surge Pysker is finally bug freeish.

[half turtle]

it's not a top dps build unless your team is awful but it holds down stuff super well and can snipe when needed

[solar sand]

it is in auric

ive cracked 1mil with it more than once

[lethal lagoon]

High Enemy density makes all the warpfire type builds on Psyker just stupid.

I wouldn't even say just auric, but auric maels mostly

Auric sometimes is too slow

[half turtle]

hmm

i reliably top dps with it on melee maelstrom

but not others

[rare storm]

Any high density mode makes blazing trauma explode lmao

[half turtle]

i lose a lot of dps because people snipe the glowing blue head, for instance

oh i don't run blazing trauma, i run rending

[solar sand]

never left click, solves that 100%

[half turtle]

doesn't that double the charge time

[lethal lagoon]

You motherfucking teamplayer 😡 How dare you make your team's life better without them knowing.

[rare storm]

What a good team player

Heretic

Begone

[lethal lagoon]

Literally heresy, banned from psyker chat

[solar sand]

barely notice it, at least running EP and charge on ability

[half turtle]

rip no more damnation

[rare storm]

You either explode constantly or you be the selfish psyker

No such thing as team play

[half turtle]

ngl any time i don't run shriek now it's a coinflip as to whether ill forget i don't have shriek and explode for no reason

[lethal lagoon]

If I don't kill at least one teammate with a barrel each game, did I even play darktide?

[rare storm]

That's called using shriek as a crutch

[half turtle]

nah that's called edging dps by knowing you have shriek in high pressure situations and casting an extra time at 100 on purpose

it's just that i forget

[solar sand]

i gamble on shit i wouldnt otherwise with shriek

[lethal lagoon]

Not exactly, I purposefully hit 100% and cast my staff knowing I can shriek

But suddenly I forget I don't have shriek

[half turtle]

yeah basically

[lethal lagoon]

Geniune psyker gameplay 👍

[half turtle]

that's impressive

[solar sand]

stop giving me good trauma staves i dont want them

[half turtle]

someone shoved a burster into me that knocked me onto a barrel that ledged me a few games back

[half turtle]

ill take it

[rare storm]

I can't in good faith send that clip and not pt 2

I've sent this 2 part clip series so many times but I will always have to send pt 2

[rare storm]

Right after getting him up from pt1

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like if that happened to me, I'd get a life insurance policy

[solar sand]

does this game have a system where things will only throw you off the map if it can throw you onto a different part of the map? or am i exceedingly lucky

well enemies at least

[lethal lagoon]

You've never been throw off to your death?

Mutants can do it but they aren't supposed to.

[half turtle]

rip

damn i gotta get me that trueperil tho

[solar sand]

barrels sure, other stuff no, not even bursters

[half turtle]

i moved computers and haven't reinstalled all the mods bc of laziness

[lethal lagoon]

I've had a mutant just straight up throw me to my death.

[half turtle]

i think if you mean mutants or beasts or spawns they're coded to avoid ledging you directly

[lethal lagoon]

On the boss map, the quick one.

[rare storm]

It's weird

[half turtle]

but they still do it sometimes

[lethal lagoon]

In that horrible area before the first event

[rare storm]

I have some throws where I'm clearly already like 5m off the nearest ledge

but I get magnetised back

[lethal lagoon]

That might be dsync

[half turtle]

there's also a couple of railings where you can just drop down onto terrain below, but it ledges you because of how it's coded

[rare storm]

other times I'm like RIGHT at the edge but I fly off

[half turtle]

super annoying

[rare storm]

I don't think so....?

I was yeeted off by a cspawn

But then again

this game has issues

[lethal lagoon]

Cspawn yeets are pretty great, you can get to secret areas.

[rare storm]

Wouldn't be surprised

[half turtle]

wow my favorite provider of news, c-spawn

[lethal lagoon]

I got cspawn yeeted into an unreachable area after my team died and just safely killed everything

[rare storm]

pretty good btw, the modder merged it with his new mod for an extended peril guage

You can customise it to match the stamina bar now

so it fits the ui better

or have it at the side

[half turtle]

oh that's sweet

[rare storm]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/243

if you ever want to download it again

[lethal lagoon]

I'd love a peril bar for other psykers on the little interface in the bottom left, just to see how they are running.

[rare storm]

That exists with NumericUI I believe

[solar sand]

pc4 grind continues

[lethal lagoon]

Does it, gonna have to check me options.

[rare storm]

You can see it as a Peril skull that changes colours for how high their peril is

[lethal lagoon]

I've surrendered and accepted my pc3 overlord.

[rare storm]

or change it to be a flat bar

[solar sand]

sunken cost fallacy for me hardcore, i gotta be 30k plasteel in at least

[rare storm]

I should really try and play veteran now especially since it was reworked

Power swords look fun as fuck

[lethal lagoon]

I dumped all my pre-patch plasteel into void 🥹 , no surge.

[solar sand]

oh woops im still in pysker chat

yeah all the hard work of my pysker

[rare storm]

[solar sand]

has gone into my vet

in search of power cycler 4

fruitlessly

[rare storm]

How is vet after the rework btw

[tulip trench]

ok so is voidstrike worth using? or does surge just do the same thing
stun instead of knockdown
and a little less dmg but more enemies hit

[unkempt light]

You can make Vet work, but they are a bit fragile compared to the other Classes atm

[lethal lagoon]

Vet's always been top DPS, people are just mad it's not easy mode anymore.

Shout still stupid as well

[solar sand]

not as good as pysker imo, but still quite good, i really enjoy their melee builds

[unkempt light]

Shout/Voice of Command is great, yeah.

-t Executioner Stance main

[rare storm]

I honestly only want to make a vet so I can play the spearhead boltgun properly lmao

[solar sand]

only S tier build vet has is revolver and plasma, pysker can just kinda be stupid with whatever build and laugh their way through damnation

[lethal lagoon]

Avg psyker's only role in auric damns is to die stupidly to a couple of pox walkers, I think you are just used to pre-patch psyker and are judging from there.

[solar sand]

i have

zero hours in pre 13 pysker

so

i have about 200h in post patch pysker though

[rare storm]

same actually

Before p13 I played zealot lol

after p13 I hardcore dumped my time into psyker

[lethal lagoon]

I mostly played psyker ogryn, zealot and vet were too pedestrian for me.

[rare storm]

I just liked swinging around a lightning charged hammer

[lethal lagoon]

Also vet was stupid OP and I got bored after like 5 t5s after lvling him to 30 lmao

[lethal lagoon]

Put the thunder hammer top onto your staff 🙂

[tulip trench]

brunt blessing me, i just know hadron gonna ruin it though

[brittle crest]

seems pre-ruined for you tbh

haha

[tulip trench]

ya

50/50 crapshoot

Darktide = Gambling

tell me im wrong xD

[tulip trench]

^spicy

[lethal lagoon]

Needs to be an official skin of some sort, would be the first weapon skin I buy. They are all so ass.

[rare storm]

Damn

That's a high risk brick right there

[rare storm]

What the hail

[lethal lagoon]

Literally have to perfect roll on all upgrades from here lmao

[rare storm]

Honestly, I won't ever download extended wep customisation

Because I know, I will never leave the customise screen

[tulip trench]

@rare storm Christ...
handed me a purge with the exact same risk

[rare storm]

lul

[lethal lagoon]

74% burn is too low anyways right?

[solar sand]

Nah focused slaps

[lethal lagoon]

You need 15 stacks

[rare storm]

74 is okay

[tulip trench]

true

[rare storm]

I think 70 at least....?

[lethal lagoon]

Is it? I don't remember I don't really use purg

[rare storm]

or was it 75

[ripe yacht]

I did not! That's very interesting.

[tulip trench]

my current is 79 but the resis and quell are low

[lethal lagoon]

It's the only magic approved gun 👍

Also it shreds monsters with dumdum and Infernous

[solar sand]

Peril gen is so low on purg I wouldn’t much worry about either

[rare storm]

Can't wait to get back to the plasteel gamba once I 100% the new stuff for remnant 2

[tulip trench]

whats the dump stat on surge?

[solar sand]

Resistance

[lethal lagoon]

Some say crit bonus, I say there really isn't a dump stat.

[tulip trench]

really? feels like a peril machine

[rare storm]

yeah whichever honestly

just make sure you have 80 dmg/charge

[lethal lagoon]

I wouldn't upgrade a surge below 370, every stat kind of matters.

[rare storm]

higher warp resist OR quell speed

preference towards the end

or what hadron/brunt blesses you with

[solar sand]

It’s a very small difference, like 3% total gen per charge or something minimal like that, 60 to 80, I’m not online to check though

[lethal lagoon]

Surge has such a small blessing pool, that honestly you might as well go for 370s only.

[solar sand]

It gens a lot regardless of the stat

[lethal lagoon]

It's pretty hard to brick a surge

You have to have true Hadron skill to take one down

[rare storm]

I beg to differ

[solar sand]

However quell 60 compared to 80 is almost 30% quell speed I think, so it’s far more valuable

Compared to 18% instead of 16% peril, or whatever the numbers are

[tulip trench]

assail or bb with surge?

[ripe yacht]

Also just take quietitude. Like you probably should be anyway.

[lethal lagoon]

Smite

Surge + Smite + Flaming Shriek, kinda wild.

[tulip trench]

using bubble

[ripe yacht]

Assail if you want more range.

[solar sand]

BR is far and away the best skill to take for any build, where the weapon is the significant focus of the build

[rare storm]

Double down that emperor palpatine build

[tulip trench]

too much peril with smite

[lethal lagoon]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

Smite will feel like it uses no peril when you are charging for a flaming shriek

[ripe yacht]

Also take Quietitude and you can just channel through a whole horde

[solar sand]

Using WS I can easily get 30+ seconds of constant smite

[lethal lagoon]

warp stacks, smite to 85%, shriek, keep smiting.

Mapus Deletus

[solar sand]

My highest ever damage was a melee auric with smite and creeping

[rare storm]

Throw back to the peak of Emperor Psykertine build

[lethal lagoon]

Smite also procs true aim without criting, so free crit.

[solar sand]

You know that doesn’t reduce peril or peril gen in any way right?

[lethal lagoon]

I assume he meant something else

[tulip trench]

probs battle meditation

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker name abilities just be wilding.

[solar sand]

I think he means the headshot blessing

[ripe yacht]

Peril reduction on kill. That one.

[solar sand]

Battle med

[ripe yacht]

I know what they do, mostly, not what they're called.

[solar sand]

Battle med is ok, but only on horde clear builds, I only run it with smite

10% too unreliable otherwise

[ripe yacht]

Sure. But if you're hitting most of a horde it's great.

[solar sand]

But 2-4 for smite is awesome

[lethal lagoon]

It's okie dokie on gunker too with scrier's gaze

[tulip trench]

not being able to take mind in motion with BB is aids

BB should be the blitz in the middle

[lethal lagoon]

mind in motion should just be default

[severe folio]

is it worth it to take the DR talent from Scirer

[ripe yacht]

…I honestly don't even notice mind in motion.

[lethal lagoon]

that type of slowdown in this fast paced game is just ass

^ exactly why it should be default

It's not worth a talent point, but also annoying

[tulip trench]

kinetic flayer: smash or pass?

[severe folio]

pass

[solar sand]

I haven’t tried it since I stopped using assail, which was like 2 days into 13

[tulip trench]

thought so

[cosmic sigil]

I read that in the guide

[lethal lagoon]

Brah I got no idea what that ability is

[cosmic sigil]

wtf

[ripe yacht]

I mean the alternative is warp damage on non-warp kill, so… I'll take MiM.

But also, whatever?

[tulip trench]

what about kinetic resonance if im not using shriek?

[severe folio]

whats wrong

[solar sand]

Isn’t it like, basically the best on the axes as now they have cleave?

[cosmic sigil]

bm a joke?

[severe folio]

yeah on Taxe

[lethal lagoon]

I like it on gunker.

Esp columbus

[cosmic sigil]

on taxe on psyker?

[lethal lagoon]

insta procs on crushers and shit

[severe folio]

On taxe in general i think

[cosmic sigil]

lmao

ok, i do routinely runs with taxe zealot avering 700 or 800k

[severe folio]

okay

[plucky flax]

I don't like that ability too much. When I used it though I think I did take it.

[rare storm]

I think bm is good now tho

[severe folio]

what taxe do you use

[lethal lagoon]

TurboTax

[rare storm]

With the changes after one of the patches

[severe folio]

because im pretty sure taxe only cleave 2 enemies

and if you need Bm to

go above the cleave

on a taxe

[solar sand]

I run it always with BR, it’s unreliable so I can see why some don’t like it, but I’ve had it proc in helpful ways many, many times

[cosmic sigil]

i use 4, 2 and 7 depending on the build, he uses 7

[severe folio]

what else are you cleaving

I see

[lethal lagoon]

Someone claimed taxe can kill like 8 poxies with brutal

[severe folio]

eh

8 poxies that stand inside each other maybe

but how often are you gonna see that with a taxe

[cosmic sigil]

bm is first dmg on 4 targets if you kill

wich you can do with a heavy

[severe folio]

the thing is

i dont think taxe has a lot of cleave to work BM

unlike caxe

[cosmic sigil]

that is not how bm works

with bm, you just don't care about cleave

[severe folio]

Bm give you extra weakspot damage

and weakspot kill ignore mass

so basically if you hit a lot of head in a horde, you cleave a lot more enemy right ?

[cosmic sigil]

yes

[severe folio]

so why would you use Taxe with that

[tulip trench]

cause for elites

[severe folio]

taxe barely swung further than 2 enemies

its practically a single target weapon

its practically a knife

even the heavy on the mk2 doesnt have a lot of cleave to make use of BM ignore mass

[tulip trench]

taxe can dunk on elites within horde, without horde blocking it from hitting them
is my understanding

[cosmic sigil]

with bm, you do first target dmg on a weakspot kill to 4 targets

you take the axe for mobility, the special stagger, and higher crit base

[severe folio]

so you take BM for

the extra weakspot damage ?

just that ?

[spice veldt]

because you get to deal first target damage to 4 targets

[tulip trench]

oh so if the first target dies, the other 4 targets hit will automatically die if they have the same health or less

[cosmic sigil]

yes

[tulip trench]

yikes

[cosmic sigil]

that is new bm

[spice veldt]

e.g., instead of dealing 650 > 300 > 200 > whatever (imaginary numbers)

[tulip trench]

its like the ogryn insta kill perk almost

[spice veldt]

you get to deal 650 > 650 > 650 > 650

[cosmic sigil]

it is disgusting on a caxe and a hsword with deathblow

[severe folio]

i get the idea of BM but i still dont think it can help with the Taxe combo

[cosmic sigil]

ok, zealot is probablly the most geared to use the taxe efficiently

[severe folio]

do you have a clip or something

to show how Bm work on Taxe

[cosmic sigil]

because you can ramp up dmg in various way

it is like a caxe

with less dmg

[severe folio]

less wide swung too

[cosmic sigil]

so you won't ever kill 4 elites in one go

like you can do with a caxe

[severe folio]

well if it can swing at 4 elites i can see Bm use with it

doesnt need to kill them just

swung and hit 4 enemies

[spice veldt]

it has to deal a killing blow to proc the effect

#veteran-class message

[severe folio]

but I dont think taxe can swing at more than 2

[cosmic sigil]

but you can do horde clear with bm

[severe folio]

thats a caxe

[cosmic sigil]

and well you just stagger and chain hit elites while dodging

[spice veldt]

yeah

[tulip trench]

basically required for taxe to horde clear with light spam

[cosmic sigil]

yes

[spice veldt]

i just posted it to demonstrate that you need a killing blow

[severe folio]

so then what does the benefit of the hitmass ignore come from

on taxe

[tulip trench]

but makes elite killing easy

[cosmic sigil]

yes

[spice veldt]

taxe lacks the single-target damage to really make good use of BM

[cosmic sigil]

on a psyker

but you can use scryer, warp rider and dd

[solar sand]

axes feel unusable to me without BM, though i never use them and thats assuming i try to use them for anything that isnt full single target

[severe folio]

the main issue with this is that even if it make use of BM extra weakspot damage

[cosmic sigil]

but you can do that with a caxe tho

[severe folio]

i dont think its gonna work with the hitmass

the taxe just have a very narrow swing

unlike the caxe

[spice veldt]

depends on which TAxe you're talking about

but the hitbox isn't the issue

[tulip trench]

kinda a "better than a sword at elite killing, but worse at hordes"
but
"better than a combat axe at hordes, but worse at elite killing"
but good for if you want your single target dmg to be on your melee

[cosmic sigil]

the issue is the base dmg

[spice veldt]

it's the lower damage per swing compared to caxes

[severe folio]

there are taxe that swing wide ?

[cosmic sigil]

it works better on momemtum / martyrdon zealot

2 and 7

at least h1

4 has a vertical h1

like the antax and the rashad

[severe folio]

so

is it good then ?

is Bm worth it on Taxe ?

I think most of the convo revolve around the cleaving benefit of BM

and Taxe dont have a lot of cleave in its moveset to begin with

[cosmic sigil]

for horde clear yes, it's still ok

[severe folio]

hmm

better than something like decimator ?

[cosmic sigil]

you take bm + headtaker or deci

[severe folio]

decimator gives power on hit

[cosmic sigil]

decimator is on stack at the time that you can lose on a miss

[tulip trench]

surge talent thoughts?

[cosmic sigil]

headtaker is more forgiving

[lethal lagoon]

Perfect timing kinda needed.

[cosmic sigil]

to sum it up, as long as you can weakspot kill the target you'll do the same dmg on 4 targets

[radiant sleet]

wait, I can build illisi to deal with big stuff now? How does one do this magic sibling?

[cosmic sigil]

it does not care about your cleave modifier

[tulip trench]

does it crit that much?

[rare storm]

Think you can take out battle med and double down into warp charges

[cosmic sigil]

the problem is having enough dmg to proce bm

[rare storm]

Ep not that good for surge anymore

[tulip trench]

for bb

[lethal lagoon]

Yes, also perfect timing works even if you don't hit anything

[ornate hamlet]

Uncanny strike and unstable power or shred are your friends

[rare storm]

Eh,

Don't need it honestly

[cosmic sigil]

it is possible but my issue with the guide is the hot take aspect of it

[lethal lagoon]

So you can keep it up just spamming lmb into nothing

[rare storm]

If you're running surge, bb is kinda.... Not needed

[ornate hamlet]

It doesn't output the same single-target damage as the mk4 dueling sword because of its swings being much wider and it having a turbocleave special

[radiant sleet]

thank you

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, BB and surge don't really have syngery, but do you.

[tulip trench]

i dont... understand lol

[lethal lagoon]

This is a casual game

[ornate hamlet]

But it does mean you get a lot of rending and you can crit with good modifiers or abuse unstable power with warp rider to get some good modifiers when spamming specials at high peril

[lethal lagoon]

crits apply to projectiles, projectiles don't crit when they hit something.

[cosmic sigil]

yeah, i know, the problem is not ds4 or taxe, but saying bm is garbage

[lethal lagoon]

Same for melee

A melee hit itself is a crit, it's not that it crits on melee

[severe folio]

the guide is so prob because taxe cant utilize Bm properly

unlike Caxe

[ornate hamlet]

what did i do

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/959136246674894851/1148506291761848370/jZN0r6D.gif

[cosmic sigil]

not you

the guide

[solar sand]

surge and BR are both single target, ideally you want to mix stuff up to make a more rounded build (something i think pyskers are the best at), i take BR as my single target, then have an AOE staff, usually purgatus, or smite/creeping

[rare storm]

it probably just isn't updated

Since the changes was kinda recent ish

[tulip trench]

ohhh its like rolled the dice the moment you click LMB as to whether a crit is coming out or not

[lethal lagoon]

yeppers

[tulip trench]

ya prob just gonna go assail then for gunner rooms where surge is too short range

[lethal lagoon]

That's why assial will shoot purple daggers sometimes

[cosmic sigil]

bm was changed with patch 13, the guide is up to date

[lethal lagoon]

Purple daggers are crit bois

[tulip trench]

ahhhhh

[severe folio]

so if you want BM on a taxe, does that mean you should pick the Mk7 Taxe if you want BM

because the Mk2 recommended Taxe dont have a lot of wide swing to utilize BM hitmass ignore

[tulip trench]

sweet i prefer warp charge dmg boost much more than EP

[half iron]

i talk to my ass fail crystals and feed all of them properly

[lethal lagoon]

Based on your personal preferences, 1 free point.

[cosmic sigil]

that is why you use heavies 😄

[severe folio]

The heavies dont seem to worth much

i know the heavies is cleaving more than the light

its just

you know

kind of an awkward angle for BM

[tulip trench]

better?

might dump perilous combustion

[lethal lagoon]

Remove recharge on assail

you have surge, you don't need that

Also you probably want peril reduc instead 30% toughness gen on warp charge.

[tulip trench]

perilous combustion any good? it feels like you really need to lean into soulblaze
for it to work

[severe folio]

Its very good

[solar sand]

this one isnt bad, but 25% every full bar isnt a lot when you're already regening so much through soulstealer

[rare storm]

It's still good, it builds stacks very quickly

[lethal lagoon]

In auric t5s, esp mael, perilous combustion is just easily one of the strongest single talents.

[severe folio]

infinite flame scale with how many special enemies around

[rare storm]

I think you should drop battle med for soulstealer

[strong gulch]

You don't have to lean into soulblaze for PC. PC scales off of elite/ special density.

[lethal lagoon]

He can already drop recharge on assail for soulstealer

[radiant sleet]

yeah perilous combustion is very good I run it without wildfire or any soulblaze weapon. I do run flame shriek too but thats it

[rare storm]

O didn't see that

ye that's fine

[strong gulch]

Souleater is fantasic with warp heavy kills.

[severe folio]

you can reach the universal soulblaze cap with PC

since PC dont have a sb cap

[feral knoll]

Silly question because I’m curious. Does combat knife have any worth on Psyker?

[tulip trench]

need expenditure for perfect timing

[rare storm]

I've not used quickshards in so long I auto assume nobody takes it

[lethal lagoon]

DD knife is the most zoomies you can get.

[severe folio]

Since we have dueling sword, knife are kinda redundant

[strong gulch]

yee

[lethal lagoon]

Knife charge heavies for speed also trigger perfect timing

[solar sand]

youll get more out of mettle anyway

[rare storm]

EHHHHH

[solar sand]

or about the same

[rare storm]

I think with surge, expenditure would be better

[strong gulch]

Both DS and knife can trigger mettle by hitting the air, but knife crits often enough to keep stacks up reliably.

[solar sand]

i prefer mettle as the move speed is on occasion kinda nice

and im never hurting for regen

[rare storm]

Fuck, ball and get both mettle and expenditure

battle med's for chumps

[strong gulch]

I like mettle for squirrely moves.

[solar sand]

also worth noting you can proc this with the lmb, without hitting anything, to quickly stack it

[tulip trench]

1 point left over..... +15 toughness? +5 crit chance?

[rare storm]

Double down that mettle + expenditure

be a toughness regen god that psyker was meant to be

[lethal lagoon]

Personal preference. 5% crit does less on surge than other staffs cause it already has high crit

So mettle is my vote too

[tulip trench]

🤙

[solar sand]

technically its the reverse, but i agree

[strong gulch]

what about malefic momentum?

[lethal lagoon]

If you have 20% crit chance, versus 10% crit chance, adding 5% crit chance does more for the latter.

[rare storm]

but regen god

[lethal lagoon]

Obviously base crit damage matters too, but crit chance is additive with itself after all

[tulip trench]

i find usually if i see elites that im pulling surge out for, im slowing down and not killing things with illisi, letting my team handle horde mgmt

[rare storm]

it's actually very good for surge because most of the time, you'd be weapon swapping between melee for hording and surge for high priority targets

if we want to get technical, mm is technically better

[tulip trench]

fair

[rare storm]

but regen god

[strong gulch]

Mettle give us a lot. Hard to say no to it.

[rare storm]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/209 also you can just fuck it, and get more loadout slots and see which one you prefer

[severe folio]

if axes can have savage sweep it would have been nice

[tulip trench]

im keeping mettle,
expenditure vs maleific momentum?

[rare storm]

only plebs are gated by 4 loadout slots, join the 12 gang

[rare storm]

expenditure for constant and reliable regen

since surge is a monster at peril gen

[plucky flax]

So many points up top.

[rare storm]

for the regen god

[strong gulch]

momentum for really answer

[rare storm]

neva dai

[lethal lagoon]

You can straight up charge groups of shooters with surge with maleific momentuem and quietude

[rare storm]

yes but this

[strong gulch]

expenditure for "do it "

[plucky flax]

No kinetic deflection

[tulip trench]

could drop the 6 warp charges down to 4 and take malefic + regen god

[rare storm]

Run ee and ignore gunners

[lethal lagoon]

Emphatic evasion kinda of mid on surge

[rare storm]

true, but it would be funny when it works

because wtf why is it working

[strong gulch]

kinda agree

[tulip trench]

yay? nay?

[strong gulch]

ee on purg tho

[solar sand]

yeah but then you lose 8% damage and 12% gen reduction

[cosmic sigil]

Do you have a scryer build ac?

[rare storm]

become an actual god

[lethal lagoon]

depends on how often you using shield

And your general elite kill rate and stuff

personal preference

[rare storm]

honestly I'd drop the 2nd node of shield

[solar sand]

usually my first to go

[lethal lagoon]

2nd node of shield is half the point of shield though

[plucky flax]

No until they fix it to make it start going on cd as soon as you press f I won't use it.

[lethal lagoon]

unless you only use it for ranged fire

[plucky flax]

Also warp charges don't work on it.

[lethal lagoon]

"Oh team is dying, how about I just regen all their toughness, Hehe".

[rare storm]

Not really, psyker's toughness regen is so good that it becomes kinda meh

[severe folio]

how come we dont use rampage and savage sweep on chainsword

[rare storm]

And most of the time pubs kinda fuck off from my shield to do their own things

[severe folio]

the small chainsword

[cosmic sigil]

What do you run guns with? Assail EP or warp charges?

[solar sand]

honestly if you are ever having issue keeping toughness, im gonna say its a skill issue, the 10% is actually quite minor compared to other options

[rare storm]

So on paper it's good, but in most games I play, it's kinda eh

[strong gulch]

I was doing ee purg on the carnival map and was like "Y'all see this shit??" Nothing can touch me!!!"

[lethal lagoon]

If that's your opinion, you probably wouldn't wanna run shield at all though

[rare storm]

So good honestly, especially at the last stage

[plucky flax]

With guns I always use assail ep and creeping flames.

[tulip trench]

i often kill elites.
i think malefic actually gives more dmg buff than 6 charges
extra 2 charges gives +8%, MM gives +20%
i lose the -12% peril quell though

[rare storm]

I run shield for MY own benefit

[plucky flax]

Save ammo that way.

[rare storm]

The team gets my sloppy seconds

[solar sand]

^

my supporting me supports them

[rare storm]

This

Bubble shield is just so fuck busted because of how big and useful it is, even selfish usage of it still helps the team

[solar sand]

idk why people use wall tbh, idk what purpose it serves (that isnt already served)

when bubble is just a for sure, dont die (to any ranged) for 8 seconds

[severe folio]

gen why dont we use these blessing on chainsword

[plucky flax]

Only use creeping flames

[rare storm]

I like flat shield for the double node when I'm running BB focused builds

or watching hounds/mutants faceplant into a wall

cause funny

[solar sand]

i guess ive just never felt a need to have a(nother) solution for dogs or muts

[lethal lagoon]

personal prefence at that point I suppose.

Try both

[strong gulch]

Most guns I'd say assail and depending on how heavy you're gonna be with assail use determines if your pick EP or DD.

Revolver is different. I like it with most smite and assail. On the smite build I do warp charges (no inner tranquility), and on the assail build I take EP.

[rare storm]

Or scrier + dd

[tulip trench]

ill stop using bubble when i stop walking into rooms with 15 gunners + 25 ranged chaff

[waxen abyss]

I like scarier DD with gun since it fits easy on talent tree

[rare storm]

Which is practically built for gunkers

[cosmic sigil]

I tried the bb + scryer + did route with a columnus iag and the assail EP shield with the revolver

I want to try other combination

[solar sand]

basically what i use

[lethal lagoon]

That's what surge is for

[cosmic sigil]

Like incorporate smite instead of bb

[lethal lagoon]

Literally the best part of surge is how it trivlizaes ranged hordes

[rare storm]

Smite is kinda in a weird place rn

[tulip trench]

does it no struggle with range though?
feels like a medium - short weapon

[solar sand]

surge is busted within its limits, but it does have them

[rare storm]

Since EP with it, practically does nothing

[solar sand]

2 targets at a time gets easily overwhelmed on damn

[severe folio]

i seeee

[lethal lagoon]

It goes farther than you think, do some testing the psyk

[cosmic sigil]

Smite is better with warp charges?

[rare storm]

but if I were to go through the smite route, I'd probably do WC+smite+revolver

and run an illisi with it

[solar sand]

its about even, i really like the 50% spread on auric of EP, but the peril reduction of WS is really nice for it, id say its quite equal

[cosmic sigil]

Hmmm I didn't consider that build

[rare storm]

So you have good stun + a reliable horde clear

[solar sand]

also

people forget surge has the ranged lmb

i use it for snipers and stuff

[cosmic sigil]

Ok so smite + wc with illisi and revolver

[rare storm]

he wants a gunker build tho

[cosmic sigil]

So venting shriek I presume?

[lethal lagoon]

Surge has the strongest lmb too, cause of crit

[plucky flax]

With smite you need creeping flames imo

[rare storm]

ye

[lethal lagoon]

It will nuke a gunner

[plucky flax]

Otherwise you rely on teammates

[rare storm]

and this

Creeping flames make venting shriek so good

[solar sand]

2-3 heads most things

2-3 bodies snipers

[lethal lagoon]

Running smite without flaming shriek is how you signal to your team "I'm a noob, need help"

[cosmic sigil]

Never used smite tbh

[strong gulch]

I like smite + revolver + warp charges. Of course there is creeping flames.

As a compromise, I take MK 2 dueling sword.

[rare storm]

True

dueling love

[solar sand]

creeping flames is the most reliable way to do busted damage

horde wise at least

smite and surge benefit from it the most

[plucky flax]

I only use smite on my surge build anyhow.

[strong gulch]

Just scream and run.

[plucky flax]

The other builds mostly assail.

[rare storm]

I like venting flames cause I can kill snipers/busters through walls when I can kinda guess where they are too