psyker-class

[orchid nest]

surge monstrosity dps is reasonable after the last hotfix. about comparable to BB over the course of an entire kill

[limber silo]

Well psyker in general doesn't deal with ogys as well at the other classes, so just stay with your team and be the bulk opener you were destined to be

[fresh reef]

on par with BB, at least

[bleak tulip]

now that would actually give BB a reason to exist agani besides just speeding it up

[lethal lagoon]

With how low effort it is to use surge on bosses, in actual games it tends to do really well.

[potent echo]

I think lmb spam into weakspot does more

[orchid shadow]

Interestingly, it does more than a tickle now. I think I read somewhere that the multiplier for Surge on Monstrosities is gone?

[lethal lagoon]

It doesn't.

[bleak tulip]

I beg to differ, trauma and void shit all over ogryn enemies

[limber silo]

BB has plenty of reason to exist man

[bold maple]

BB with EP deal with ogryn fine

[limber silo]

Yeah, but those take a while to deal with them

[bold maple]

2 pop to kill every ogryn with EP

[limber silo]

time to kill is still a factor

[bleak tulip]

you can literally two shot both of them

technically even reapers if you crit

well void can

[quasi junco]

Crushers are 3 with no buffs

[orchid nest]

the fallout of the limb change ignoring all hit zone modifiers is it also completely ignores mostrosities negative ranged damage modifier now so it just does its normal unyielding damage to monstrosities (for now)

[limber silo]

Yeah, or vet could throw his infinite kraks and wipe the whole posse

[bleak tulip]

trauma is admittedly a bit weaker against reapers because of the whole range issue

[bleak tulip]

krak kills two of 6 crushers

what now

[lethal lagoon]

And then you are out of EP charges after 2-3 Ogryns

I hate the way EP BB is designed

[limber silo]

Good thing there's infinite of them

[bold maple]

yeah it's shit compared to a plasma gun

[bleak tulip]

not in my experience

[bold maple]

but cover that niche

[quasi junco]

Give EP BB an AE effect

[bleak tulip]

vets usually shit themselves after like two kraks

[limber silo]

You need more krak in your life

[lethal lagoon]

EP BB should be like a 5-6 second timer.

After use

[potent echo]

I tried using it in a pub game vs boss and it didn't seem to do better than my melee, I'll test in the psyk again

[limber silo]

more plasma, more krak, more big booms

[bleak tulip]

I wish more vets ran plasma

[digital narwhal]

AE? You mean AOE?
If so, Perilous Combustion exists.

[potent echo]

It does do decent damage against voidshield though lmao

[bold maple]

only reason I play vet is for plasma and power sword lmao

[limber silo]

Plasma is so great

[bold maple]

my main psyker still

[limber silo]

I can't seem to stop loving plasma

[bold maple]

vet with plasma power sword is literally easy mode

[vapid lichen]

i just saw a psyker with 5 wounds in damnation

why do people do this

[limber silo]

Don't like the power sword atm

[potent echo]

Cause they explode

[lethal lagoon]

It's the legendary Psyker Nuke Build(tm)

[limber silo]

I prefer devil's claw

[orchid nest]

it should be less than a ds4 or deimos if you're fighting it head on and have headshot opportunities. that applies to BB too though. so it's reasonable dps if it's attacking someone else basically or you don't have the opportunity to hit the head at the moment

[potent echo]

Also 1 wound is easier to get than 21% health

[limber silo]

better cleave, less maintenance, more stagger

[quasi junco]

Plasma is good, except most vets shoot lone pox walkers with it and piss their ammo away

[lethal lagoon]

You can also get 1 wound from the very start, versus like 15% health or some shit.

[potent echo]

Perhaps, good for peril build up and warp rider too

[orchid shadow]

I'd rather have faster chained cast times for BB, so follow up casts don't feel like I've had my feet glued to the floor.

[limber silo]

Hence why I bring the flak and devils claw, I don't need plasma for trash

[queen willow]

Why must you do this to me Sir Melk...

[untold widget]

1 wound is also really helpful when a quarter second of flame exposure sends you to your knees to burn to death

[limber silo]

heyyyy, that;s the first time I've seen bloodthirsty on anything

[obsidian girder]

what to replace executor with? dont have deflect :(

[fresh reef]

I still find it absolutely hilarious that a flamer kicking you is higher dps than their flamethrower

[quasi junco]

You aren’t most vets I see that play plasma. One more reason I like staff Psyker, idc about ammo

[limber silo]

Too bad bloodthirsty is bad and too rare

[potent echo]

Unstable/riposte

[untold widget]

Uncanny

[potent echo]

Oh wait uncanny

Lmao

[obsidian girder]

aight

[limber silo]

Void is just infinite ammo plasma

[untold widget]

uncanny imo is required on deimos

[obsidian girder]

.
man, i need to play more psyker.

[limber silo]

Uncanny is just too good on psyker

[potent echo]

Uncanny is required on any melee that can get uncanny

[queen willow]

The duality of Sir Melk

[untold widget]

since the charged weakspot hit will give 4 charges in one go

[bold maple]

nah dont diss plasma like that, void is crap compared to plasma

[limber silo]

I can love both

[quasi junco]

Yea I love critstrike build

[bold maple]

if void have instant charge m2 it still dont match plasma

[limber silo]

I've been trying to see if I can make a funny SG void build

[potent echo]

It shouldn't

[limber silo]

but it's rough

[potent echo]

Plasma has ammo and needs to reload sometimes

[quasi junco]

Void also doesn’t have ammo, and a ten year reload animation

[potent echo]

Unless you run the right side keystone

[digital narwhal]

Uncanny Strike

[bold maple]

plasma have ammo issue if you hit lone trash mob with it

with survivalist you can have plasma out for 90% of the game and not run out of ammo

killing a scab gunner with a headshot refund all the ammo you spent basically lmao

[limber silo]

Uncanny + Perilous Combustion = Funny fire sword but better

[orchid nest]

the reason I started playing gunker with columnus to begin with is because it's the only way I get to kill any elites or specials when my friend is playing his plasma vet

[limber silo]

I love destroying an entire group of maulers with a few headshots from a mkV duelling sword

[shell spade]

I did it, I got surge siblings

[limber silo]

Yay congrats

Is blast radius even important anymore?

[queen willow]

Am I also eating good

[queen willow]

Yea

Hit more things

[limber silo]

well sure

[quasi junco]

Change unyielding to crit chance

[limber silo]

but the explosion isn't great last I checked

pre re-work that is

[severe folio]

blast radius can be dump

it doesnt dictate the size of your void ball

just the blast after it impact the ground

[limber silo]

that's what I thought

It's nice if you gotta shoot at your feet for space, but otherwise it seems not important

[shell spade]

oki 🙂 I was considering that, but having someone tell me to do that helps my brain 🙂

[quasi junco]

lol wtf, who uses void for the splash damage

[queen willow]

Either that or Quell Speed if you got something like this

[severe folio]

yeah

[limber silo]

I told my buddy levelling psyker that surge and void don't need great rolls to be good, that's still true right?

Trauma and Purge really rely on the stats more

[potent echo]

Trauma actually doesn't care

[limber silo]

really?

[potent echo]

Just don't have 0 blast radius lol

[limber silo]

I thought the radius was important

and damage was pretty volatile too

[potent echo]

Not really, the epicenter radius is still similar, but the stagger doesnt change

[quasi junco]

Someone on here said the stat scaling is crazy on trauma

[queen willow]

I think it's semi important at least to me. I just know that crit chance and the inflict soul blaze on crit hit is the thing you want to go for more right?

[potent echo]

The outer radius doesn't matter until you want to make it a blaze trauma

[severe folio]

if you are gunning for a blaze trauma then yeah it need specific stat

but a normal trauma dont have the same standard

[potent echo]

Yea for a levelling psyker you dont care about the outer radius

[fresh reef]

not even close

(my F key is crying)

[queen willow]

Don't use the %?

[limber silo]

I think trauma has too many good blessings

[queen willow]

Kinda cringe fr

[limber silo]

I want triple blessings for red weapons

[spice veldt]

i want bangers like transfer peril and surge on my trauma

[queen willow]

Can surge be on the trauma?

[bleak tulip]

double explosion so you stagger crushers twice off a cliff

[lethal folio]

Yes

[spice veldt]

ye but it doesn't work on the RMB

[queen willow]

Does Surge work on Voidstrike's rmb tho?

[lethal folio]

Surge trauma is good because it turns the left clicks into a strong ranged weapon.

[bleak tulip]

yes

[limber silo]

Why the fuck doesn't SURGE STAFF have SURGE

[severe folio]

you know why

[limber silo]

it could actually use it's primary really well

[queen willow]

Because I was hungry

[severe folio]

that exactly why

[limber silo]

rip

[clear heath]

why would the crit staff have the crit blessings? would make too much sense

[limber silo]

guess primary fire will forever be a "can't hit you from here" tool

[potent echo]

Unthinkable, but trauma? That really needs surge blessing

[limber silo]

Void just doesn't need primary

[queen willow]

Yeah just wish the Flamethrower had like a fireball you could shoot out like that

[celest tinsel]

I just got my psyker to 30, which staffs are good

[limber silo]

Give a few updates for new staves to come out

[queen willow]

All of them. Depends on what you like and what build you are going for

[bleak tulip]

idk primary is still good to have on void to finish shit off or just spam at a gunner to stagger them

[severe folio]

how do you know a new staff will come out

[queen willow]

It just will

[half iron]

i am john psyker the ceo of psykers i know a new staff will come out

[severe folio]

why would it

they could barely fix the current weapons

[half iron]

a staff with stub revolvers taped at the end of it

[queen willow]

To make the Psykers play more

[spice veldt]

surely they've never added weapons without fixing the current ones

[queen willow]

and try to get a godroll of it

[spice veldt]

also the state of current weapons in general is pretty good nowadays

[queen willow]

Make it super broken and then nerf it

[severe folio]

unlikely to happen

yet

[solar sand]

do i embrace full glass cannon and take out my wound curio?

[spice veldt]

it is fairly likely to happen

[limber silo]

I'm predicting the following:
New trauma is a aoe dot tornado
New surge is a laser beam
New void is shotgun staff
New purge is big fuckoff fireball

[severe folio]

if you are good

[potent echo]

When part 2 news

[bleak tulip]

idk this week I guess

[half iron]

you don’t need a wound curio if you are epic (like the games launcher)

[potent echo]

I'm also interested in the stims

[queen willow]

Would toughness curious be the way to go with all the Toughness regen talent things that Psyker has?

[potent echo]

How will that change up gameplay lmao

[severe folio]

too much faith in fatshark

[solar sand]

i rarely die even in auric, but ill usually go down 1-3 times a match

[limber silo]

I am aware my predictions are mostly VT2 staves, but I know that they'll probably pull from it

[quasi junco]

They should add a beam staff

[solar sand]

kinda what im leaning towards, or maybe stamina for mk4 zoomies

[limber silo]

Remember that stamina curios make KD way better

just block more

[queen willow]

Just dodge more

Don't get hit

[limber silo]

Dodge and block at the same time

Idk why people don't do that

[solar sand]

only time i ever block (or feel a need to) is when bosses agro to me

otherwise i just dodge and im fine

[potent echo]

Sneak peek from syllo

[bleak tulip]

yeah we getting potions

[limber silo]

If you block while dodging, you don't get whacked for mistiming it

[shell spade]

suggestions for this saber?

[bleak tulip]

you see the lore implications are that we spend so much time running carnival to collect so many fucking syringes that we now distribute them to every map as potions

[spice veldt]

i don't think it's that much faith to expect a new staff to come out in the coming years of this game's lifespan

[potent echo]

Rampage to uncanny

[bleak tulip]

precog to uncanny

[lethal lagoon]

Precog to uncanny

[solar sand]

havent they said or at least implied that they were shunting new content until the base game is feature ready, which they now consider it to be? ergo new weps soon maybe

[severe folio]

stimm staff

[potent echo]

Part2 preview if you stare hard enough you can see 4 new weapons

Inb4 it's just 4 new weapon skins

[bleak tulip]

[spice veldt]

😔

[severe folio]

stare what

[solar sand]

also isnt there like new weapons datamined in the code

[severe folio]

stare into what

[potent echo]

They were there since launch

I think

[solar sand]

oh, rip

[potent echo]

2 handed powersword is just there

Unused

[severe folio]

guihel

[queen willow]

I'm trying to dodge and slide more

[severe folio]

stare what

[potent echo]

The part 2 update teaser

[unborn flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/ineedit-needit-spongebob-squarepants-need-it-gif-4883495

[severe folio]

oh who tf can see anything out of that

[queen willow]

As you can see in the bottom right. They increased the drop rate of Pearls.

[solar sand]

im high but even sober i doubt i could pixel peep that

[potent echo]

Up the brightness and contrast

[severe folio]

fine dad

[solar sand]

"zoom and enhance"

[limber silo]

Dodge and slide and block and have deflector and KD at the same time (you will still burn to death sorry)

[bleak tulip]

this smudge clearly is another shopkeeper, the one that finally lets us upgrade our weapons to reds

[queen willow]

https://tenor.com/view/waah-waa-sad-wah-waaah-gif-25875771

[unborn flicker]

Ask chat, GPT

[limber silo]

My poor eyes have become even more crippled staring at this blurred nonsense don't post this again

[celest tinsel]

what 2 perks should I have on dueling sword? I'm assuming carapace and something else

[queen willow]

Flak

[limber silo]

I can't get more disablity for it anyways

[queen willow]

Both Armors

[bleak tulip]

and these four smudges clearly are new weapons for each class

[limber silo]

Flak and Maniac

[primal radish]

did they fix all bugs with smite and EP?

[potent echo]

4 things

[queen willow]

That too. Get all 3

[severe folio]

i get kind of same resukt

[limber silo]

ENHANCE AGAIN

also I'm pretty sure those are just stains

[potent echo]

I'm not CSI

Stains

[limber silo]

ENHANCE DAMMIT

I'll do it myself

there

better

[potent echo]

We're going into the warp

[severe folio]

i cant see shit

[limber silo]

I see Weezer

There's gonna be a Weezer Kyd comp song

[bleak tulip]

this clearly means there will be a deadpool cameo

[severe folio]

we are not going to eat good will we

[unborn flicker]

We never do

[potent echo]

Featuring Dante from devil may cry

[severe folio]

we dont know what we will eat

[queen willow]

Yall aint starving already?

[limber silo]

Proof:

[queen willow]

Feet?

[unborn flicker]

More like pyskers will cry

[limber silo]

Nah, Weezer song

[potent echo]

Feet update

[severe folio]

to the penitant engine with you

[limber silo]

What's with these homies warpin' my girl

[unborn flicker]

Shirtless update finally

[queen willow]

BRING IT BACK

Remember what they took from us

[potent echo]

Where the shoeless update

[queen willow]

Why even have Tattoos if can't even fucking see them

[limber silo]

You've heard it here folks: Warhammer: Darktide "Dem Wigglers Update"

[severe folio]

i dont like the direction this topic is heading

[unborn flicker]

Bioluminescent tattoo ink

[limber silo]

You don't understand reject, I NEED Hadron feet pics

[unborn flicker]

Bold of you to assume she even has feet

[severe folio]

sussa

please

[unborn flicker]

Mechanical grippers

[limber silo]

I don't care if they're tank treads, I wanna see'em

[severe folio]

not that side

do not go to the dark side

[queen willow]

She has something under the robes

[potent echo]

Janfon1 is holding out

[orchid shadow]

I think Games Workshop is actually the one who said no to the Shirtless Option

[limber silo]

and I want her to bless my purge staff with them

[severe folio]

sussa this is heretical

[unborn flicker]

OK someone send this guy to the emperor chair to get plugged in

[limber silo]

Sussa was my father's name, I'm Din. Or Sus.

[severe folio]

okay

i still have your name in my message

[queen willow]

In the World intro trailer there was Tech Priest walking blessing the soldier. We can assume this is her so she has legs. Most likely feet

[limber silo]

You cannot stop me from obtaining the Gripatus MkII Toe Staff

[bleak tulip]

fuck all that they should bring back the booba preview

[queen willow]

Ayo

[severe folio]

huh

[limber silo]

Why did it have nips?

[bleak tulip]

uhh this was a thing back in feb

no idea why

[unborn flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-aoogah-awoogah-awooga-love-gif-19805850

[severe folio]

that cant be real

oh

[queen willow]

Why not nips?

[bleak tulip]

it is

[potent echo]

Clutchatus mk69 pearl staff

[fresh reef]

big E gave me this

holy shit

[severe folio]

this is why they remove the shirtless option

[bleak tulip]

no this was just the paperdoll thing

[limber silo]

LXIX for consistency

[queen willow]

Huge. Just need like gunner resist and sniper resist

[unborn flicker]

So it’s OK to let people see a person get vored by a giant chaos slug

But Emperor forgive if someone takes their shirt off

I bet the slaneesh demons don’t have this problem 😒

[fresh reef]

was gonna put +5 hp and +5 toughness, keep the regen on there

[limber silo]

Because being barechested and getting your nips chewed off by a meatsack is a little uncouth

[bleak tulip]

I mean they modeled them I guess, theyre still there now under the tank top

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fresh reef]

however

lol

[limber silo]

Well that makes sense, because it's probably cold on the Mourningstar

[fresh reef]

been trying to farm Run n Gun, of all things

[limber silo]

y tho

[lyric burrow]

after 800 hours i finally broke 1 million damage

shoutout melee maelstrom

[fresh reef]

10% close range damage

[bleak tulip]

shoutout to 52 minutes

oof

[limber silo]

what?

[potent echo]

Either is ok but you can't have both

[fresh reef]

(definitely not worth the plasteel I'm spending for it)

[limber silo]

Did they change it?

[fresh reef]

yes

[lyric burrow]

yeah we got held up a lot since it was just me and the ogryn a lot of the mission

[fresh reef]

in addition to the listed benefits, it also gives +10% close damage

(of course they didn't update the description)

[unborn flicker]

This is bullshit, I demand retribution

[limber silo]

just a hidden buff no one mentioned, smh

[fresh reef]

now, my plan is to put it on a surge

[limber silo]

can you post screenshot, I can't believe they'd do that

[fresh reef]

one which already has T4 Flurry and T4 Nexus

so

definitely not worth

[lethal folio]

You have to be sprinting to get the close damage

[fresh reef]

lemme find the patch notes rq

[potent echo]

I'm really not sure if it affects

Yea you have to be sprinting

[lethal folio]

it also reduces spread which doesn't matter

[fresh reef]

oh word

[potent echo]

I'm not sure about if it works of staves either

[lethal folio]

Run'n'gun purg is still very nice.

[fresh reef]

I spent 4000 plasteel on something Surge can't even utilize

[severe folio]

either neither

[fresh reef]

oh well

[severe folio]

either neither

[unborn flicker]

I want a fully automatic staff

[lethal folio]

Engaging with fire while sprinting is very effective.

[limber silo]

fr, I don't feel as bad for it on my fire staff now

[potent echo]

Do you get increase dot while sprinting lol

[lethal folio]

close damage is global.

[severe folio]

run and gun purg is a relic of the past

the future is now old man

[fresh reef]

it burns hotter from your body heat

[potent echo]

Maybe I should try it out

[severe folio]

alright i found the ovenproof scoreboard shit

now i can look at how much warpfire damage im dealing

if that matter

[potent echo]

It's really interesting, because you see that purg direct damage is actually alot

[severe folio]

well yeah

its fire rate is very high

and warpfire damage has to build up

im fully expect that my warpfire will contribute about

30% to the range damage

what does it even mean when you get more damage from warp fire as a blaze trauma

does that mean you arent firing shockwave as often but when you do you consistently make fire

what does adding 2-3 soulblaze on every 10 enemies does

might as well smite every horde

[gray jetty]

Pretty sure purgatus left click still does obscene stagger

[cloud heron]

I wouldn't call it obscene but it's really good

like it won't stop a crusher

[umbral helm]

the fire won't but a charged bonk will

[lethal lagoon]

Even if you animation cancel?

[severe folio]

yeah the charge stab bonk will

what does animation cancel does to stagger damage

[lethal lagoon]

Super fast purg lmb

[severe folio]

ah

nah

not fast enough

[cloud heron]

The trauma AoE is deceptively large. It's just you're doing basically no damage for most of it. Blazing Spirit applies stacks evenly though, so it lets you meaningfully damage things in a much wider area

[severe folio]

i know

but see here

at that point thats just fishing your damage by putting fire on everything without killing it

and scoping score by being able to touch more enemies than your teammate

[gray jetty]

Yeah it wont stop crushers

But will stop zerks, which is very nice

[severe folio]

your ally will eventually get to them, maybe you will get to those enemies first

[gray jetty]

Especially when director decides to spawn 15 on your ass

[severe folio]

but the warpfire meanwhile, wont contribute much other than inflating your number on the board

it wont stagger the enemy

it wont reduce their health to meaningful one shot

[cloud heron]

I don't think that's true. Like it does happen to some extent, there is value in softening up enemies at scale

[thorn cedar]

i wish laspee still had its built in run n gun

[potent echo]

I haven't made blaze trauma work on my own, so that's how I feel as well

[severe folio]

if the softening is from them having 6-7 blaze stack maybe

but we are talking about 1-3 soulblaze

lets say lucky, 6

[vestal cloak]

Hmmmm you all will go nicely in my trophy room

[severe folio]

that would be about 4-5 time trauma smashing

[cloud heron]

well you have a chance to apply it with every attack. If you're focused on stunlocking a group of crushers, there's a lot of extra damage going out to the surrounding horde that you aren't actually hurting otherwise

[potent echo]

Hello travis69

[severe folio]

well the whole blaze trauma idea is that you apply it with every attack right ?

and rely as little on chance as possible

[vapid lichen]

i loaded into an in-progress damnation carnival to see 2 dead bots and a lvl 23 with no hp

[severe folio]

i just find the idea that using soulblaze to inflate your damage number when they actually dont do much at below 4 stacks is a bit ironic

when most of your damage will still come from the trauma shockwave

redundant is what it feels like

[cloud heron]

I dunno, I use the healthbar mod and notice my soulblaze do quite a lot of work

[limber silo]

does blazing spirit apply to primary fire as well?

[cloud heron]

Yeah

[severe folio]

i use the healthbar mode too

[limber silo]

nice

[severe folio]

thats why i know below 6 stacks the soulblaze arent enough

[worn cypress]

I like one stam two toughness

[cloud heron]

I take 2 toughness 1 stamina. Psyker has a lot of good talents for toughness regen and I feel like they can manage melee enemies pretty well

[worn cypress]

stam is p mandatory for me for mobility

[cloud heron]

Personally I notice a lot of situations where a gunner will be on the ground with soulblaze ticking, and it will let me charge my staff less or even just left click them to death. Or I know I can ignore a mauler because he'll die before he can do anything

[quasi grotto]

Were healthbars default in the game before? I sometimes see references to 'enemies without a healthbar' in relation to specials and stuff when looking at older resources

[cloud heron]

it was in the beta I think

[quasi grotto]

But maybe I'm just misunderstanding

[severe folio]

Personally most of my situation is that I can finish off carapace units while purging

Mauler, crushers

without taking out the mk4

what do you guys think about this

[gray jetty]

Its useable

Slap handcannon on it and you're good to go

[severe folio]

its from melk

havent bought it

wondering if its worth getting

[strong gulch]

I didn't have any talents the first few games after the talent tree rework because I forgot to click them. 😂

[gray jetty]

If you have no better revolver sure

[severe folio]

hmm

[gray jetty]

Melk keeps handing me garbage, id kill for him to drop something worthwhile

[cloud heron]

Blazing Spirit Trauma also helps you build warp stacks, which is just generally helpful

[gray jetty]

Revolver with handcannon is so unbelievably stupid you only realistically need surgical and handcannon

[lethal lagoon]

trauma has two damage ranges though, the main at the center, and then a minor one further out. Blazing applies to both.

[fading iris]

don't need to worry about talents if you don't use any

[severe folio]

what does that address what i said ?

[lethal lagoon]

Underestimating the damage blazing trauma does in a group because of the further out blast applying blazing.

[severe folio]

I never said only the further out apply blazing

[lethal lagoon]

Now I have no idea what you are saying.

Because I didn't imply you said that

[severe folio]

you often do that

I have a different perspective read on the soulblaze damage on trauma to begin with

[lethal lagoon]

You literally just did that.

But yes that's true

[severe folio]

What did i said that was what you said

[woeful patio]

Please keep flirting limited to #zealot-class

We’re siblings here, Incest is frowned upon

[lethal lagoon]

Cousins are legal in most of the known universe

[severe folio]

if this is flirting i dont think you have had a family yet

and i dont think you ever will

[lethal lagoon]

That was unnecessarily mean.

[gray jetty]

Gunker is based

[lethal lagoon]

I love gunkers cause their complete inability to manage ammo means they'll be plasteel searching during their ammo search.

[cloud heron]

it's bad enough that some of you play without the magic sword. playing without the magic gun is heretical

[gray jetty]

Its not my fault scriers gaze with a columnus and dueling sword is so dumb fun and strong

[lethal lagoon]

Columnus aiming makes me wanna puke

Even with custom

[gray jetty]

They toned down the recoil

[cloud heron]

if you want to use a gun you go to one of the muggle chats where you belong

[gray jetty]

It doesnt go straight up anymore

[severe folio]

the guns are strong weapon across all class

[cloud heron]

it doesn't matter if it's strong. it's not magic

[vapid willow]

Anyone else just completely unable to give up the bubble shield

[severe folio]

you can have your magic in 2 other outlet

you dont need to make all your outlet magical

[cloud heron]

wizards these days have no self respect

[severe folio]

Self respect is you who is lacking

The staff does not a wizard made

[vapid willow]

With brain burst your gun IS magic

[severe folio]

Are you a psyker of the warp

[kind jay]

haha laspistol scrier goes brrr

[severe folio]

or are you a psyker of the staff

[cloud heron]

NOO!!!

[digital narwhal]

No.

Scrier's Gaze on top.

[kind jay]

[digital narwhal]

🗣️ 💯

[vapid willow]

I try so hard to like scriers

I just can’t

Bubble shield go wubwubwub

[kind jay]

it's like a giant bubble wrap bubble

[vapid willow]

Gaze works best with gun psyker right

I usually use the C V with gun psyker

[gray jetty]

Only bad part of scriers is that you cant hear shit

Compounding the issue with the broken audio cues in this game

[severe folio]

which is quite important when you are showered by 20 trappers

or mutants

[potent echo]

The main audio issue I face is burster explosion

[cloud heron]

god forbid I could go a few minutes without hearing a mutant

[potent echo]

It seems to mute everything for a few seconds

So you can't hear the follow up burster

[severe folio]

the explosion deafen your ears

[potent echo]

Lore friendly

[lethal lagoon]

My last death was a 100% silent poxburster suddenly appearing inside of me, blowing me off a bridge. The final kicker was a completely silent crusher overheading me while I was hanging on.

[severe folio]

not lore related

[queen willow]

Crushers:

[cloud heron]

isn't that backwards? Crushers are very visible and very quiet

[lethal lagoon]

Until the game master spawns them from thin air behind you 🙂

[queen willow]

Shhhhh

[lethal lagoon]

Thought I couldn't see fatshark, but I had 3rd person on that game.

[gray jetty]

Nurgle's most silent crusher

[kind jay]

just imagine they're materializing from the warp

[limber silo]

Well the first thing crushers learn in heretic school is how to walk on their tip toes

[severe folio]

then they would be chaos knight

[limber silo]

ever see them walk? It's very delicate

[coarse bane]

I still think my fav is the mauler hiding inside a crusher or bulwark.

[gray jetty]

Nah trapper nets are from the warp

[lethal lagoon]

Maulers also have some pretty good camo when among brusiers, but that just skill issue on my part.

[gray jetty]

The net guns are just targeters

[coarse bane]

They have been rather silent since the last patch.

[limber silo]

It used to be that I could hear the sweaty gamer trappers constantly. Now all I hear is their nets going off

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think the net going off always makes a sound, it's the "cocking" of the net, that makes the sound and roll catches people.

[gray jetty]

Like what sort of warp fuckery is this

[queen willow]

Personally I'd go with the middle uh purple thingy for like free upgraded bursts

[gray jetty]

Id say take away the 2 crit passives from the top right

[queen willow]

and if you are using the combat ability gain charge speed for Brain Burst might aswell go double walls

[gray jetty]

Put them into the middle bottom

[lethal lagoon]

Purg peril gen isn't really an issue, so I personally grab 30% toughness on Warp charge gain.

[gray jetty]

For extra damage

[severe folio]

get warp rider

[lethal lagoon]

Warp rider kind of a must. You are also missing that 5% crit which isn't good.

[severe folio]

get rid of wildfire

[coarse bane]

Hmm

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on how often you are flaming shrieking

But yeah, personal preference on that one.

[coarse bane]

Mk4 Duelling sword, is cleave damage the dump stat? Or are they all really good?

[severe folio]

perfect timing is a good thing to get

[severe folio]

dump stat

perfect timing on purgatus is free extra damage

[coarse bane]

Ok, so my 356 is a better roll than my 377 >.<

[severe folio]

unfortunately

[untold widget]

one point off from kinetic deflection

[severe folio]

depend on the sword you use kinetic deflection wont be needed

does kinetic deflection let you block bullets

battle meditation is good though

you should remove that bb bonus

think about it like this

[queen willow]

This is what I use in Auric Damnations and I do fine

[untold widget]

warp expenditure and battle meditation could be mettle and perfect timing

could be better based on how much purg crits

[severe folio]

are you going to shriek everytime before you bb

and are you going to swap to bb right after you shriek everytime

yeah but will you switch to BB after every shriek

[gray jetty]

Even if you dont its nice to have the option to 2 tap a crusher

in half the time it would normally take

[severe folio]

you could be dealing 15% more warp damage instead

on every occassion

on everything

that your purgatus touch

[untold widget]

shriek is pretty long range

[lethal lagoon]

Wut I'd do based on your build. You can also drop 5% crit chance for that BB talent cause you seem to like it a lot.

[severe folio]

if you want a flexible close range long range

you might as well drop BB and head to Assail

because if you have to switch to BB to deal with a crusher who begin to cruise to you

you are missing the horde in front of him that you could burn down with Purgatus

and if you burn them down first with purgatus, you already out of time to BB him because he already close in

if you want to pick off high priority ranged target you might as well pick vanilla Assail

its cheaper, faster, more shots, and its also long range

[onyx sentinel]

Assail's rmb can't even one shot flamers

[severe folio]

it takes 2 shot to kill them, same amount of time that cost BB 2 points to do

[untold widget]

Why not take a D4 or deimos to deal with crushers and leave bb for uncontested gunner nests and snipers that can be safely done from cover?

only takes 2 gunners BB'd for perilous combustion to nuke the rest

[severe folio]

They said BB and Crusher, Im not just going to tell them to use something else

[proven stirrup]

Assail can certainly handle snipers just fine

[untold widget]

sure, you just lose psykinetics aura for more shout cooldown

[proven stirrup]

Gunner lines, yeah, BB wins

[buoyant mantle]

quick question, what's the innate crit chance for deimos ?

[spice veldt]

probably 0%

[buoyant mantle]

aight thanks

[feral verge]

Go do your homework

[spice veldt]

no

[queen willow]

According to a reddit post like ~1 year ago.

[feral verge]

Psyker's base crit rate now is 7.5% iirc

[bleak tulip]

arco never gonna graduate nerd academy without doing homework 😔

[spice veldt]

ogryn has 2.5% base
vet/zealot has 5%
psyker has 7.5% yeah

you shall die

[onyx sentinel]

do staves not have 0% innate crit?

[bleak tulip]

surge has more

[spice veldt]

they should besides surge

you can download the inventorystats mod and load into the psykhanium to check the crit chance for yourself

I know that the force swords had 0% crit in patch 12, but I don't know nowadays

[queen willow]

They should have a 7.5% at least, right?

[spice veldt]

the class itself has 7.5% crit chance attached to it

the staffs themselves, besides surge, shouldn't

[hearty oak]

Aight im reviving this argument.
Is soulblaze all that its cracked up to be from killing an elite or spreading it via wildfire with it doing small ticks?

[digital narwhal]

Vet got lowered to 5% iirc

Ogryn is now 2.5%

[obtuse moth]

weird that vet doesnt have the highest crit chance now

[digital narwhal]

and Psyker is 7.5%, from what I've heard.

[queen willow]

We already established this

[digital narwhal]

Ah

My bad

[obtuse moth]

used to vet being double other classes 5%

[queen willow]

No worries

[spice veldt]

we kicked the back of vet's knees and stole 2.5% from ogryn

[queen willow]

It good. Nothing wrong with more fire

[hearty oak]

Is it though?

[digital narwhal]

Stubbers now have a default 0.5% Crit Chance thanks to the -2% Crit Modifier on Stubbers

:D

(Kill me)

[queen willow]

I use it, so yes.

[obtuse moth]

wildfire useless, it hardcaps at 4 as in wont ever do damage at 5+ stacks. soulblaze can kill flak maniac and unyielding fine with enough stacks but not carapace (unless rending/brittle)

[spice veldt]

owned

[untold widget]

Perilous combustion, yes. Wildfire, no.

[bleak tulip]

heres the outdated list, any weapon not specifically mentioned likely just has the class' base crit, just ignore the specific numbers

[spice veldt]

perilous combustion is a talent that scales with elite/special density, so that's always nice

[solar sand]

how many burn stacks does the lmb apply?

[severe folio]

1

[obtuse moth]

1 unless crit

[hearty oak]

But if the fire builds up on elites, whats to say a second cast of voidstrike or something else to just outright kill them rather than let the poor bastards burn

[queen willow]

But when you kill an enemy with Wildfire wouldnt it made at least all enemies get like 3 stacks or?

[obtuse moth]

but it pushes like a boss

[spice veldt]

if there are other enemies around, then they'll catch on fire as well

[severe folio]

it can push burster away from you in nick of time instead of switch to melee too

[spice veldt]

the radius of perilous combustion is appreciable

[obtuse moth]

4 stacks does very little damage, it can give 1 stack to 4 enemies which is what it wants to do, or up to 4 stacks on one enemy with zero stacks existing. wildfire won't ever go past 4 stacks, so it does nothing if everything already has 4 or more

[severe folio]

we have a chart to show how much damage does each soulblaze stack amount deal

[digital narwhal]

Opinions?

[hearty oak]

I know but i am saying whats to say a second cast that kills them rather than having to wait on the fire

[severe folio]

you should be banned

[queen willow]

But it would be good for a firestarter no?

[spice veldt]

yeah, you can often delete them

perilous combustion's main use case to me would be for melee maelstrom

for mauler and crusher packs

[obtuse moth]

not on purg, since it already gives stacks per tick

[severe folio]

Imagine it like this, a plague orgyn, a crusher, surrounded by 5 ragers

[queen willow]

But more fire

[obtuse moth]

it can be a firestarter for blazing spirit builds which are rng based and lower cap

[hearty oak]

I have never finished a melee maelstrom

[severe folio]

those 5 ragers that die first will PC the Crusher and the Plague orgyn with 15 soulblaze stacks

[obtuse moth]

its basically the same amount of fire. but it is good for in fire reborn for getting warp siphon stacks

[severe folio]

and 15 soulblaze stack you are hitting 100 damage every tick with it

on the plague orgyn

as for the crusher your unyielding mk4 are gonna benefit from those 15 soulblaze stacks

[orchid shadow]

I'm trying to understand Wildfire's use in the Trauma Blaze build. Doesn't Wildfire cap your stacks to whatever the dying enemy had? Wouldn't it be better without it?

[hearty oak]

Sounds more situational really. and also dont monstrocities have like 50k health?

[severe folio]

If your purpose is to spread and multiply your fire with wildfire then yeah its useless

the reason why anyone would take wildfire is so that they can preserve up to 4 soulblaze onto the next enemy

[obtuse moth]

on blazing trauma its good because trauma cap is at 6, and its rng based and slow, so it gets you past the halfway burn cap

[severe folio]

and with blaze trauma you can only add up to 6

so you get to 6 again faster

[obtuse moth]

means one less luck cast of trauma needed, which is ~3 less casts because you're likely to only get 1 crit every 3 or so casts

[queen willow]

What would you put with on a Blazing Trauma build?

[orchid shadow]

Oh hmmm, okay.

[severe folio]

venting shriek

[bold maple]

question is how long does purg staff take to get to 30 stack

[severe folio]

purg cap at 15-16

[obtuse moth]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj-V9yVPFs build at the beginning, should give you a good starting point

[severe folio]

i still think soulblaze on trauma is just so you inflate your numbers

[obtuse moth]

its not lmao

[severe folio]

without actually meaningfully kill things with warpfire

[obtuse moth]

12 stacks + perilous combustion + direct damage is very strong

instantly wipe out 10-12 elites once it goes off

[bleak tulip]

I mean do you have to meaningfully apply SB when it still helps kill shit in the grand scheme

[spice veldt]

trauma does have stagger that works against itself for the purposes of DPS, and the outer radius is noticeably larger than the epicentre

[queen willow]

I see

[bleak tulip]

its literally free damage that makes matches easier at next to no cost to you

[obtuse moth]

yeah the radius of burning application is much larger than the circle

[onyx sentinel]

I don't play purgatus, but wildfire is core in maintaining max soulblaze stacks (6) for fire trauma during hordes. Your max crit for trauma is only around 30% on top of the lengthy charge time you have to go through - wildfire makes it so you only need one additional blazing spirit proc to hit the cap.

[obtuse moth]

its not free damage, you give up flurry and brittle and requires you spec heavily into a soulblaze build

[spice veldt]

2.3m for the epicentre and 8.4m for the outer radius at 80% blast radius iirc

[rare mesa]

is this ok

[spice veldt]

it's not that much instantaneous damage but it makes use of trauma's outer radius to do stuff

[hearty oak]

So what would the use of soulblaze be then?

[spice veldt]

a DoT that tends to have application methods that apply it in a wide area

[bleak tulip]

what does "spec heavily" mean to you though

you get perilous anyway

creeping is good on every build

[hearty oak]

Hmm. Im more of the mindset of "why wait when they can be dead now?"

[bleak tulip]

and you acn probably skip wildfire if you want to

[spice veldt]

you won't always reach every enemy

[obtuse moth]

means being shoehorned into brain burst so you can take wildfire, and into venting shriek, and likely warp siphon

[spice veldt]

if an enemy takes damage while you're doing something else, that's nice

[severe folio]

if an enemy die while youre doing something else thats nice

[bleak tulip]

youre never shoehorned into BB

[severe folio]

if an enemy just take damage without dying thats just

thats just smiting

[obtuse moth]

i guess you can take smite but it has very low synergy with trauma

[severe folio]

no thats an example

[spice veldt]

the wide area of application of the methods is the main appeal

rather than the soulblaze itself

[bleak tulip]

sure, but as I said you can probably skip wildfire

even on blaze trauma

and not loose too much

[hearty oak]

I might not see the full effects of it cause im more focused on what im doing. More narrow minded that way

[untold widget]

welp my block just broke at 23% peril

interesting

[obtuse moth]

its not free damage in the slightest, even if you just look at blessings

idk why you are arguing it

[bleak tulip]

I mean creeping is free damage

[hearty oak]

Like when im doing damnations. Im always encountering flame psykers which always good for horde clearing but i want specials dead. And i want them dead since yesterday

[bleak tulip]

I mean you still kill specials instantly, you dont wait for SB to do it

[severe folio]

thats not how youre suppose to judge blaze trauma

[coarse bane]

Is there any streamers that play Darktide, that don't bitch and whine about smite?

[severe folio]

blaze trauma arent killing with soulblaze

its killing with the trauma, the burn is there to, deal damage to things that hasnt die

[spice veldt]

if you're talking about purg, hordeclear is a nice thing

but killing elites is also another nice thing about purg

it's not like elites have immunity to soulblaze

[coarse bane]

The soulblaze is there to pretty much refresh warp charges really fast.

[hearty oak]

What im seeing is more of the aftermath of just the burnt horde from the specials being outright killed but never by soulblaze. just kind of being there in the background making candles out of poxwalkers

[severe folio]

yeah thats the main problem of minimal soulblaze stacks

things just stay burning but not dead, and they charge at you anyway

and you kill them with the trauma anyway

and like

[obtuse moth]

its not minimal if you're playing blazing trauma right

[severe folio]

applying 2-3 soulblaze on a billion enemy is nice

[obtuse moth]

you have 12 stacks + perilous combustion stacks

[severe folio]

you keep saying 12 stacks

is this 12 stacks from creeping flame and blaze spirit

[obtuse moth]

yes

[severe folio]

I think you know not every enemies gonna die at 12

at most 4-5

because by the time they get to that their health is already low

and if its the kind of enemy that can take 12

they are the kind your trauma epicenter is pointed at

so they also die before most other poxwalkers

again

putting 2-3 soulblaze on a thousand enemies in a horde

i think this is giving an illusion that its ramping up the damage

[bleak tulip]

reminder that 6 stacks of SB is enough to kill hordes

which is the positive side effect

[severe folio]

yeah i know thats why a single 85 vs kill them

[bleak tulip]

I was more saying that to support your statement

[warm jay]

any advice on how to make this useable?

[severe folio]

yeah i know

[echo turtle]

I would swap uncanny for deflector and crit for maniac

[obtuse moth]

the 12+ stacks are for the hard targets, it snowballs very hard. a lot faster than just direct damage does

[bleak tulip]

perks to flak maniac

fuck deflector

uncanny is immensely better

[severe folio]

dont change uncanny

[warm jay]

loll

[echo turtle]

Deflector means you don't die

[severe folio]

uncanny is good

Uncanny means your enemies die

[hearty oak]

Ill have to see if i were to go more like 6 warp battery charges makes a difference and not have soulblaze. Ill still have creeping flame for the vent but thats about it

[bleak tulip]

if you need deflector to not die youre not doing it right imo

[echo turtle]

You wanna be able to clutch and reposition deflector

[severe folio]

yeah

just dodge slide

dont deflector

[hearty oak]

since the other modification of vent doesnt do enough

[severe folio]

deflector is a crutch

[echo turtle]

Play some Aurics and you will see he value

[bleak tulip]

brother I dont play anything but

uncanny helps you kill shit faster which is way more useful to clutching than being able to tank a few gunner hits

[severe folio]

Maybe this is why your auric run takes 45 minute

[echo turtle]

It's a lot of gunner hits actually, but you do you

[bleak tulip]

dodge slide

[echo turtle]

These are the players that say wildfire is bad

So

I dunno, you do you

[severe folio]

We are literally those players

mister 800k damage

[echo turtle]

I'm talking to the guy asking advice

[severe folio]

with 300k warpfire damage

[echo turtle]

That's right, 300k from.creeping flame and wildfire

It's great, as is deflector

If you don't understand what makes block efficiency good, and block gunners is excellent well I don't really have the time or energy to break down the game mechanics

[severe folio]

Crazy

This is what wildfire does to people

[bleak tulip]

I would love for a scoreboard to show you how much each talent did so you knew how little wildfire contributes to the average build

[severe folio]

Forget about it

[echo turtle]

I'd love to see your soloQ Auric boards for damage taken and downs tbh

[severe folio]

This guy is the notorious stubborn

he wont change his opinion on it

because he have ovenproof

[echo turtle]

Eh, the players here that clutch and crush like Arco and Selfish in war would probably both say deflector and wildfire are both decent takes. I can't speak for them but I do know they are great players so I take their opinions seriously

When someone says block efficiency, block range and wildfire is bad/ skill issue, I lol

[bleak tulip]

note how you just assume that "fuck deflector" means its bad

have fun fighting that strawman

all I said was that uncanny is better

[severe folio]

Havent brought anyone else into the topic but thanks for showing us that you cant really back up your own claims unless to start calling names

[digital narwhal]

Deflector is good, but other options are better for better players.
Simple as.

[severe folio]

how about I brought up the message of Pygex saying 4 stack of soulblaze dont kill anything

[bleak tulip]

its like bringing a wound curio, you can do it but its not the best choice

it depends on what you need

[next heart]

i almost bought this for the warp nexus, but should i buy it just on the offchance i ever use voidstrike

[echo turtle]

Disagree entirely on that take

[digital narwhal]

Which take?

[echo turtle]

That deflector is a crutch

[bleak tulip]

yeah its a solid stick

[digital narwhal]

It can be a crutch, it very much can be.
But it's not automatically a crutch.

[bleak tulip]

transfer is very comfy to have, nexus is goated and the perks arent trash or anything

[vapid lichen]

if you dont already have a void you can just fix it and use it

[severe folio]

well you do you deflector wildfire man

[echo turtle]

If you treat it like a noob treats an ogryn shield plant I agree

[strong gulch]

Huh. Playing around in the meat grinder and surge RMB isn't the worst on deamon hosts.

Especially if you can't hit it with anything else reliably.

[severe folio]

I given up on talking with you and your 800k ovenproof

[cloud heron]

Deflector is definitely capable of saving your life in ways that dodge sliding can't

[echo turtle]

If you use it to max out block efficiency and reposition when gunners spawn and your team can't protect you, it's not

[cloud heron]

sometimes you just have no momentum and start getting a volley into your back. The stun lock can prevent you from getting out of it.

[echo turtle]

Good I'm glad

[digital narwhal]

Do you know what crutch means?
It can be a crutch for people that have yet to learn proper positioning, and so they use it to crutch whilst learning.
Being a crutch isn't automatically a bad thing.

[bleak tulip]

I dont know if it is but assuming thats true, not being in a situation where you die to a ranged attack is the real thing you wanna prioritize in improving, making deflector a possible crutch

thats the whole point

[digital narwhal]

And again, Deflector can be a crutch for a player, but it's not a crutch for every player.

[next heart]

training wheels are fine, so long as you take them off eventually

[echo turtle]

Yeah you can't just always not get shot, that is assinine

[severe folio]

If you really want Deflector in a force sword, dont give up uncanny

[echo turtle]

Why take health or toughness, just never get shot. Skill issue

[severe folio]

Saying replace Uncanny with Deflector is quite a loss investment

[cloud heron]

In the same way that my staff is a crutch for killing all of the enemies

[digital narwhal]

You're missing my point entirely.

[echo turtle]

I'm addressing someone else's point

[bleak tulip]

this is the dumbest argument people keep bringing up about curios and you know that

[digital narwhal]

Ah

mb

[bleak tulip]

"simply run greys if ur so good lmao" is the other

equally silly

[echo turtle]

It's about as sensible as saying deflector bad, skill issue

[bleak tulip]

I see youre still fighting that strawman

okay bai

done talking to you tbh#

[echo turtle]

It's what you said so

[bleak tulip]

hope you have a good day

[echo turtle]

Thumbs up 👍

[cloud heron]

Like my melee weapon isn't my primary weapon in most cases. The opportunity cost of taking deflector is relatively small

so it's not really comparable to taking a wound curio

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

https://tenor.com/view/improve-our-comprehension-james-engvid-enhance-our-comprehension-improve-understanding-gif-25083978

[echo turtle]

Yes, Unless your staff is completely useless against a specific enemy type, why would you give up a massive boost to survivability to get a marginal and conditional damage boost

[severe folio]

heres a better circumstance, would you take deflector if you have to give up uncanny

[echo turtle]

If you want to run a full damage melee sword, that's fine. It still isn't particularly good at dealing with ragers packs, crushers etc

[severe folio]

Saying deimos arent good at dealing with rager and crusher packs

is a very strange thing to say

[digital narwhal]

But... it would be.
Unstable Power/Slaughterer + Uncanny Strikes is very, very strong on Deimos.

[echo turtle]

You could take a deflector illisi with an extra 20% block efficiency and stam, and you are down from 2 to 3 hits on a rager primary target, and maybe a couple swings into a crusher weakspot l

[digital narwhal]

Especially since the H2 knocks every enemy type in the game onto the floor, excluding Bosses.

Just H2 enemies to death while they're knocked down.

[severe folio]

Rhino this is why your game are 45 minutes long

[cloud heron]

Probably tbh. Uncanny really only starts being noticeable for me when I'm using it against flak ragers and up and I'd take slightly longer to kill them in the rare times I need to sword than them give up the ability to survive a surprise reaper

[severe folio]

you have a lot of

[echo turtle]

Yeah, but uncanny has very little boost into maniacs for instance, and not much effect into anything else

Like is said, full uncanny is 100% boost into carapace and 50% into flak

[severe folio]

failsafe options

but you have maybe too much failsafe

itsgonna work but its gonna drag your game time

and then thats gonna inflate on what you kills

a turtle gonna finish the race anyway

[echo turtle]

So while it can make you better at killing those enemies, are you really using your sword into them very often?

Personally I don't, if there is a crusher pack I am making space, not running in to fight it with my sword

[digital narwhal]

Don't plan for failure.

Plan to fuck people up.

[severe folio]

If theres a crusher pack and I have in my hand a deimos

you know for sure I am charging at those bastard if they are the only things in sight

because why not

[echo turtle]

That's the thing, staves are excellent at killing those enemies, with the exception of purgatus into carapace

[severe folio]

They are going to be knocked to the ground

[cloud heron]

The only staff that benefits from that is purge

[digital narwhal]

What if you're not using a Staff though?

[echo turtle]

If a rager pack is rushing you, are you going to try melee it? Or create space to use a staff

[digital narwhal]

Melee.

I'm built different.

[severe folio]

Im going to charge at it with the staff and then mk4 them

[echo turtle]

Ogryn main

Story checks out

[digital narwhal]

[bleak tulip]

now here's a fun excercise, someone go test if deflector actually helps against melee now or if it still does only apply to ranged attacks

[digital narwhal]

I like how being an Ogryn Main makes me super confident on my Psyker.
It's forced me to git gud with Psyker melee.

[severe folio]

either way theres a thing called too much defense

[echo turtle]

I'm comfy in melee too, but I also know I can kill ragers faster with a staff than can be done in melee, and if something interrupts, that's a bad situation to be in

[cloud heron]

Ogryn is much more able to just eat bullets to the face than psyker

[severe folio]

you gonna kill things anyway but some people dont have an entire day to do 24 missions

[bleak tulip]

also mk4 can perma stagger and combo ragers

you can do it to 2 or 3 ragers if you kite a bit too

[echo turtle]

Lol ogryns laugh off rager packs

They are like pox walkers to an ogryn

[digital narwhal]

Deimos H2 does knock everything down.

And quite considerable.

[echo turtle]

Yeah, it's good

[digital narwhal]

It bullies melee enemies.

[echo turtle]

Sword above though is an illisi

I like the deimos a lot

[brave fiber]

its insane how your entire worldview changes by just choosing to play the big boi

[echo turtle]

Ogryns are fun

[bleak tulip]

makes me wish every class got the knoife

😔

its so fun

[brave fiber]

regular knife is toothpick to ogryn

[echo turtle]

I remember when I first hit 30 and got a good shield and I was just like

What the hell, is this even the same game?

[digital narwhal]

Deflector Psykers finishing a mission after holding block down for 80% of the run:

[bleak tulip]

I mean the ogryn knife

[brave fiber]

i think people overhype deflector

[bleak tulip]

always have

[brave fiber]

like 2 youtubers said its the best and everyone just collectively agreed

[proven stirrup]

This was a long time ago

[echo turtle]

Naw, it's been popular for a long time, but more so now that swords lost infinite dodge

[proven stirrup]

Deflector isn't the end all be all anymore

[bleak tulip]

like I get it we all got caught out by gunners at one point and wished we coulda just blocked it

I get why its popular

[echo turtle]

When we had unlimited dodge I agreed deflector was a waste

[proven stirrup]

It was just super clutch before we had the damn telekine

[onyx sentinel]

does the deimos need any blessings to hit important breakpoints? muties just need the 25% perk no?

[spice veldt]

deflector is nice if you're starting out and don't have the muscle memory for dodges

[proven stirrup]

Being able to just peril block bullets up to a firing line was a big deal

[bleak tulip]

yeah maniac is the big one

[brave fiber]

i just feel like a lot of situations in which deflector is useful are easily solved from better positioning

[echo turtle]

Stacking block efficiency is real good, I don't even run KD anymore with it

[spice veldt]

you don't even need good positioning

[digital narwhal]

Yeah.
It's a good Blessing, but better players will get more use out of better options.

[spice veldt]

just spam dodges

[severe folio]

i dont use deflector because i stay in cover

[proven stirrup]

That was before maelstroms were a thing

[spice veldt]

and tank with your toughness

and regen with the toughness regen feats that are 1 node away from the starting node

[severe folio]

tank with toughness

[echo turtle]

Classic Arco toughness and DR stacking

[brave fiber]

hey i have 60% gunner res for a reason

[echo turtle]

Run 90 toughness like a Chad arco

Do it!

[spice veldt]

no

i will never

[bleak tulip]

dont even need that much gunner res tbh to tank

[proven stirrup]

Man, you guys all operate on wildly different play philosophies

[potent echo]

90 is horrible

[brave fiber]

need? no. want? absolutely

fuck gunners

[echo turtle]

I'm running deflector and stam now, sub 100 toughness

[potent echo]

Bruisers do 105 toughness damage lmao

[onyx sentinel]

So I think you can argue that there isn't much opportunity cost for grabbing Deflector. I don't run force swords anymore but I really only use it to 1L2H muties and ragers, unless there's anything else I'm missing

[echo turtle]

Don't get hit

[digital narwhal]

My philosophy is move fast and think later.
(I am a Gun Psyker)

[brave fiber]

90 toughness psykers are built different tbh

[severe folio]

its a shooting game

[proven stirrup]

I'd say I am too but I'm not exactly good at being one

[echo turtle]

I have a deimos with block efficiency and stam, in that load out I have 86% block efficiency and +8 stam

[proven stirrup]

I'm just sorta farming for shit in malice/heresy

[echo turtle]

I take less damage than ever

[severe folio]

of course you take less damage than ever

[proven stirrup]

Honestly though the bubble shield is comfy as shit for this

[severe folio]

you also deal less damage than other

[potent echo]

Until a sniper hits you and you just die

[bleak tulip]

deimnos specifically I would probably run unstable uncanny on personally but I havent seriously run deimos in a minute

[echo turtle]

Deflector is a crutch, but bubble shield isn't

Damage is king, run shriek

[potent echo]

Bubble shield is too weak to be a crutch

[spice veldt]

deflector also only takes 1 blessing slot so it is what it is

[proven stirrup]

It most certainly is not

[potent echo]

Doesn't even do dmg smhmh

[brave fiber]

ima be real bubble shield spam is really good in auric damnation/maelstrom

[echo turtle]

Yeah it's deflector or uncanny really.

Uncanny at max gives 50% into flak and doubles carapace

[digital narwhal]

Damage is king, run Scrier's Gaze

[potent echo]

How

[echo turtle]

Scriers only good with guns

[potent echo]

Everyone hide inside and pray

[proven stirrup]

The term "crutch" is worthless in communities like this. It just means "something that's easy to use and good at what it does"

[echo turtle]

And I don't play psyker to aim

That's what my vet is for

The psyker autogun builds look fun though

[potent echo]

Crutch makes perfect sense

[bleak tulip]

I mean you can plonk the bubble ahead of you and just stand behind it, you dont have to be inside

[potent echo]

The moment you take it away they are on the floor

[bleak tulip]

you can block off a whole shooter line while you kill em for free

[proven stirrup]

Yes but toughness regen

[potent echo]

That how it works

[brave fiber]

how dare classes have abilities that dont require 500 apm

[proven stirrup]

But yes, actually I often use the bubble just as a proper barrier

It's so good

[potent echo]

Don't need barrier if all the enemies are dead

[cloud heron]

Crutch should mean "prevents you from learning fundamentals" but deflector doesn't really do that, since taking ranged damage is inevitable to some degree

[bleak tulip]

if I ran bubble I'd mostly do it for people who dont have suppression immunity like void does, that shit is annoying

[echo turtle]

It's good, but I can't give up shriek, the damage is busted

[potent echo]

Creeping flames solve problems, shield just delays the problem

[proven stirrup]

Honestly, if something does that, it's a design fault of the game, not a fault of the player

[cloud heron]

Other classes have other ways of dealing with ranged enemies. Deflector is just one of psyker's

[coarse bane]

This turned out pretty well, got one thing left to switch. Though I don't have Precog 4.

[proven stirrup]

People should be able to pick and choose what they want and it not be a detriment to anyone

[echo turtle]

Deflector also gives block efficiency, giving you more ability to block and boss fight which is critical to melee

[severe folio]

then dont use precog, use rampage or shred

[proven stirrup]

And that's kind of a decent place we're in , if we're going to be honest