#psyker-class

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obtuse moth
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both work, one requires much more specific talent setup (heres one guys setup for blazing trauma https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj-V9yVPFs)

Update to my blaze trauma build with taking perfect timing. I went crazy this game and did the big damage.
Patch 1.2.2
Magistrati Oubliette TM8-707 · Assassination · Damnation · Hi-Intensity Shock Troop Gauntlet (Melee Scab Enemies Only)
Loadout: MK IV Duelling Sword / Blazing Spirits Trauma

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vague chasm
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Oh interesting, is the difference between nexus 3 and 4 noticeable? Because I'm quite low on plasteel and belssing hunting is quite a pain. If it is worth it I'll wait for the lvl 4 one

olive ember
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It’s like 4% extra crit

obtuse moth
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you can run nexus 3 for now and change it to 4 at a later date if you dont have the mats

olive ember
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So where as t4 is 5% a stack up to 20%, t3 is 4% a stack up to 16%

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So you lose 4% but running nexus 3 is still fine

vague chasm
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since it is a pretty good roll I'll maybe wait for the lvl4, I'll stick with flurry till then

vague chasm
idle aurora
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Blessings for rending trauma are standard flak/maniac damage?

feral verge
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yeah

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elite dmg is an option too

obtuse moth
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yeah stop being so terrible

crimson zealot
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What spell combination are yall using with purg staff?

cosmic sigil
carmine agate
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Fish and cheese

plucky flax
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You already crit quite a lot.

plucky flax
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Personally I like bb with it.

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To kill sniper/bomber really far away.

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And to deal with crusher.

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(Although blaze trauma is just a better purga)

crimson zealot
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Ah yeah, purg staff is horrible at dealing with amor

crimson zealot
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^Incredibly biased as I have invested too many resources to find out its mid

obtuse moth
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assail works better for for specials than bb imo, but not for crushers or bosses

plucky flax
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No wildfire with assail nooooo

carmine agate
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I do enjoy spewing flames..

obtuse moth
plucky flax
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That's heresy. staregryn

obtuse moth
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assail prolly best complements purg of the four staves as a long range option as long as you have a melee weapon for carapace

plucky flax
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Me when I use assail creeping flame with any range weapon. whatthefuck_heresy

obtuse moth
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do people instaleave dark missions lol

glass forge
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Does +Critical hit perk affect Trauma staff's secondary attack please? Perk says crit affects ranged critical strike chance and Trauma's secondary is a ranged attack. not exactly sure since games are buggy

carmine agate
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Boom boom crit fwoosh blaze

obtuse moth
glass forge
glass forge
obtuse moth
severe folio
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i cast laser

obtuse moth
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anyone get tilted when people come into auric maelstrom with weapons like this

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like thats a blue probably sub 225 base rating weapon

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my first t2 perk on the toon im checking on was @ 224

summer prairie
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I was probably wrong about Overproof's scoreboard addon not tracking some damage if the minion health hasn't been initialized. I think that was just an issue with the solo mod as at least in the grinder it's tracking accurately

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so you should definitely only look at the addon damage value, the regular scoreboard damage is inflated

vestal fulcrum
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If anything, we will fail. Failure is something you can learn from.

obtuse moth
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i mean im fine with people running whatever perks/blessing and non meta weapons they want

vestal fulcrum
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I learn to leave such lobbies before they inevitably fail

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Jk, I don’t, but I have been thinking about dropping games that I know I can’t carry

obtuse moth
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itd just be nice if they were at least over 300, since you're guaranteed that when you hit level 30. and preferably upgraded to orange

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it shows to me they dont really care about contributing what they can

vestal fulcrum
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Hitting level 30 in no way does prepare you for what Auric has in offer

obtuse moth
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i dont think the weapon youve been using since level 10 or 20 is appropriate to bring to auric maelstrom

vestal fulcrum
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People disregard their own involvement in a party’s performance, but, this game is making it somewhat hard to out weight the lack of a compent player on your end

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That’s on one hand

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On the other hand, tide games never really prepared players for their content

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Which is a shame, because Tide games are somewhat complicated in design

obtuse moth
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eh\

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theres a clear progression, from malice/heresy/damnation/auric damnation/auric maelstrom

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people just dont care

vestal fulcrum
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Maybe. I can’t speak for them all, I just notice certain tendencies in my personal experience, while playing in public lobbies

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I am happy each time I see a competent team player

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And shudder every time I have to help someone manage the threat they should completely be able to handle at “that” level of play

glass forge
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do higher difficulty missions give better gear rewards compared to lower missions?

vestal fulcrum
vestal fulcrum
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Just rarity - the range of sum of modifiers is still from 300 to 380

young meteor
thin loom
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question, when you get to 100% peril and keep tapping the "charge brain rupture" it keeps it at 100% without making you go boom, does this count for the warp battery penence?

potent echo
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Warp battery penance is max charges

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Not max peril

thin loom
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OH, that would explain

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so when it says max, I assume that means if you dont have warp battery (the talent) you only need 4

potent echo
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I think so, I finished mine long ago before the big patch

thin loom
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I just got back into game myself,, its so much more fun than when it came out

potent echo
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Definitely

summer prairie
digital narwhal
summer prairie
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yeah that can be useful

wet compass
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Any of this any good?

summer prairie
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I guess you can also use it a bit like BB and instead of immediately releasing go back into cover

stone plover
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Whats the difference between a MK III and MK IV trauma force staff?

vapid lichen
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there's only one trauma force staff

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are you looking at a trauma (mk3) and a void (mk4)

west stream
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That pistol is nice

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Though ghost isnt really necessary

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Empathic evasion covers it usually

vapid lichen
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the illisi and ds4 look fixable to me

west stream
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Revolver is nice too but id swap second blessing for hand cannon

near wyvern
near wyvern
obtuse moth
summer prairie
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once assail rmb has the target lock the range is longer, might technically be infinite or limited by the flight time value

obtuse moth
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even if you let go of rmb?

summer prairie
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no

echo turtle
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They're good, just optimize the blessings and perks and you will do great

plucky flax
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Interesting trauma this guy in my team run.

obtuse moth
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hmm, i wonder what talents they have

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theyd be between 10% and 20% crit chance depending

vestal fulcrum
potent echo
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Sometimes I chuck a rmb and looked away and it still hit

summer prairie
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looking at the target does nothing with rmb

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or maybe it keeps following after the initial hit

potent echo
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There's usually not enough time for it to travel

summer prairie
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what does that mean

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you mean after it hits?

obtuse moth
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looks like it always hits first target, then follows cursor after

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provided it doesnt collide with something and run out of flight time recovering

obtuse moth
potent echo
plucky flax
frail sand
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why would this psyker bring VIIa to a melee maelstrom pain

plucky flax
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It's me I was meant to bring blaze trauma but wrong loadout.

frail sand
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its not even VId, it's VIIa pain

plucky flax
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Xd

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is there ammo vet?

frail sand
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no there is not pain

tepid peak
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Havent played psyker in months, are there any fun builds I should check out?

kindred delta
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Is deflector still good btw?

feral verge
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If you are comfortable with dodging ranged, I don't recommend deflector

obtuse moth
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less useful than it used to be with ranged immunity on crit

summer prairie
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if you don't use your melee much, you should have deflector

obtuse moth
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and bubble

feral verge
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Use uncanny strike, slaughterer, unstable power

obtuse moth
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theres also a lot more toughness gen talents, and assail chews up ranged enemies

summer prairie
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dodging ranged is a meme in the situations where it matters

vale hatch
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since the beginning of the game i've never seen the surge blessing

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what is that rng

cloud heron
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some blessings are just stupidly rare

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i've heard that reblessing a blue with a t4 blessing makes it more likely to get another t4 blessing when you make it orange

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not actually sure how true that is, since I think orange already has an increased chance of being t4

obtuse moth
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raises total weapon rating but normally what you do is bless it with a t4 blessing yhou don't want

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if you're farming for new blessings

kindred delta
obtuse moth
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you can't get a blessing as a drop that you already have on the weapon

kindred delta
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I should use my trauma staff more

obtuse moth
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more useful in the era when you always got one blessing and one perk slot to respec

kindred delta
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How OP is slaughterer?

frail sand
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bruh, i was playing fire trauma

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as soon as my teammate shot a burster in my face

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we wiped

obtuse moth
iron flame
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I think game is telling me to play Gunker

frail sand
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melee maelstrom is pretty comfy, as long as teammates don't scatter around everywhere and shoot bursters other ppl are pushing KEKW_ogryn

iron flame
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380 Recon Lasgun, 376 Stub Revolver

vale hatch
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almost perfect

plucky flax
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Didn't manage 1000k. Rumbler ogryn and plasma vet too op.

sweet pelican
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whats a rumbler orgryn?

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nvm

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im dumb im a ogryn main and i forgot rumbler exists

plucky flax
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It's a really powerful weapon for melee maelstrom with vet ammo.

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Just spam it and stick them to bulwarks/crushers.

sweet pelican
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wait its mele hurts alot wtf?

untold widget
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no it's really ammo efficient so that the vet ammo aura keeps you topped up

sweet pelican
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i cant for the life of me pick what staff to play

untold widget
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all of them and swap whenever you feel like it?

plucky flax
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Don't play trauma it's bad. whatthefuck_heresy

untold widget
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lol

sweet pelican
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i like the purg one but i dont think my staff is doing good dmg

untold widget
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how have you built it?

plucky flax
untold widget
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purg gives soulfire, so building into that will go a long ways

sweet pelican
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like im lvl 22 idk if my builds done

untold widget
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oh

sweet pelican
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idk if cuz im jsut 22 or my fire or build sucks

untold widget
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well that makes sense

sweet pelican
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thats what im confused

untold widget
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well just try and get a purg staff that has high burn %

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and hope for the best

sweet pelican
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any staff u reccomend for lvling phase cuz im guessing purg is better for later right?

untold widget
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don't worry too much until you get to 30, the lower difficulties aren't going to really showcase your build too much due to lower spawns

plucky flax
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For levelling pick assail and ep.

untold widget
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yeah

plucky flax
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Then queue up damnation and spam left click.

sweet pelican
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ep is what exactly again?

untold widget
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empowered psionics

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middle bottom tree

sweet pelican
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oh i see

untold widget
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gives free assail shards

sweet pelican
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do i go with shout abiltiy with it?

untold widget
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I like getting stacks of EP on elite kill

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I tend to like shield until you get comfortable soloing

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helps the team, helps yourself, good all around choice

sweet pelican
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i like assail but i do like no dmg on monst/carapice guys

untold widget
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yeah

sweet pelican
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i was told to get a knife for that

untold widget
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ogryns and mutants are what melee is for. Dueling sword MkIV stabs them in the face real good

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I haven't done much knife stuff on psyker, I know knife zealot is really good though so ymmv

sweet pelican
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when im on my ogryn most psykers i saw in auric i noticed had either knife of the rapier looking thing

untold widget
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I tend towards Mk IV dueling sword (rapier lookin thing) or Deimos force blade (has the barbed end on it)

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but I've got pretty decent rolls on those so mine are slightly overtuned

sweet pelican
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so for deimos sword do i just power it up and beat up the guys?

untold widget
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well you really want Uncanny Strike on it

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when you charge and hit a weakspot, youget 4 stacks of rending

sweet pelican
untold widget
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then you can double heavy Crushers pretty reliably

sweet pelican
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i see

untold widget
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but you have to hit weakspots with both strikes so accuracy will be paramount

sweet pelican
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this is good info all of this

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i swear psyker doesnt feel so simple compared to the rest of the guys i lvled

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well i never touched zealot but yea

untold widget
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the dueling sword that I mentioned, Mk IV, has really great light attacks for horde clear if you get cornered, and the heavies are only stabs so great for armor

sweet pelican
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for the assial build what cohrency u reccomend?

vapid lichen
sweet pelican
vapid lichen
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i have a terminal addiction to revolver knife

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i run it on zealot, vet, and psyker

untold widget
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I don't gun psyker in anything but low level stuff so I can't speak to it

sweet pelican
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i played alot of ogryn at start played abit of vet but then went back to ogryn cuz ngl not a fanof the new rework

untold widget
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if I'm not evaporating rooms in Auric damnation, my rando teammates get swarmed eventually

sweet pelican
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it just feels weird going from ogryn killing alot of elites and monstrosity solo

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to doing nothing to big guys but destroying small guys

untold widget
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well monstrosities tend to have some warp resistance, so what I do is deal with trash mobs while the team does monster work (unless thers no trash mobs to deal with, and then I just help best I can)

weak galleon
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was voidstrike nerfed back or smth, in one of the updates?

sweet pelican
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i do appreciate the psykers that stun the whole group with that hand lightning ability

plucky flax
sweet pelican
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void strike is the big ball attack right?

untold widget
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jesus, brunt really hates me rn

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23 knives before anything above 365 landed

weak galleon
sweet pelican
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it did feel nice using the big ball staff

untold widget
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voidstrike needs weakspots to really do much

vapid lichen
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goes crazy with surge blessing tho

untold widget
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I'm holding off on using mine until I can get a Surge blessing

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I have plans for a True Aim smite Void build that I'm keen on trying out

vapid lichen
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oneshotting crushers with charged right click chadgryn

untold widget
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ayy lmao

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what blessings you run on psyker knife?

vapid lichen
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uncanny and fleshtearer

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very very funny with disrupt destiny and scriers gaze

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probably not very good

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but extremely funny

plain rune
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assail

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i love assail

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who said assail

untold widget
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and run dual 25% damage or do you use crit perks?

vapid lichen
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i take flak maniac

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love flak maniac

untold widget
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so standard then

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yeah

vapid lichen
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yea

untold widget
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this knife isn't gonna work then

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but I can get uncanny 4 from it

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so at least I have that going for me

vapid lichen
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honestly i dont even know if it's good

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idk if anything im running is actually good

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but FUN
now im in for that

untold widget
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this is where its at currently

vapid lichen
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headshotting the disrupt destiny target with revolver is very funny

untold widget
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damge is lower than I'd like

kindred delta
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It’s so powerful

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I like to carry sedition and uprising players though so

plain rune
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i prefer to run my purgatus with bb

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also knife psyker is real

untold widget
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i mean, it kinda melts tbh

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especially with scriers

vapid lichen
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new beloved baby...blahaj_ogryn

plain rune
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wth

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why would you ever use health

vapid lichen
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🫡 two wound

untold widget
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cause they get hit a lot

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one wound, two +3 stamina all with revive speed, combat ability regen, and block efficiency

vapid lichen
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real

untold widget
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I can block armageddon, at least until dogs get me

vapid lichen
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i like two toughness one health
feels like the right balance to me

untold widget
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I've tried bulkiness curios, but I just don't feel like I get any use out of them. I don't generally get hit unless I'm making a terrible mistake and by then it's usually a downward overhead from a crusher or monstrosity which one shots me anyways

vapid lichen
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see

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im too busy getting chipped by random grunts behind me that i didnt hear because i was too busy blasting music

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so i actually get use out of it

kindred delta
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Now it’s actually pretty fine to use

untold widget
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oh yeah, I'm a sweaty try hard, I obsess over sound cues

kindred delta
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If only it procced soulflame on fully charged m2..

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That’d be nice

untold widget
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I've probably talked shit about you in random groups tbh, I feel like I can tell when people aren't paying attention

kindred delta
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Oh well, my sword makes easy soulflame spread through crits

vapid lichen
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probably LMFAO

untold widget
vapid lichen
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when the drop hits in the middle of a horde it's all worth the chip damage i take from barely being able to hear my audio cues anyways

viscid matrix
kindred delta
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I get a lot of crits with smite so

vapid lichen
untold widget
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below kinetic deflection on the right bottom

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weak spot hits (smite can do) give guaranteed crits (trauma blaze on crit)

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so smite horde until 5 stacks, then swap and nuke

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rinse repeat

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everything is just CC'd and burning

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and smite doesn't use up true aim

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like assail does

kindred delta
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I forgot tbh

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Anyways this was worth the grind imo

sweet pelican
dreamy storm
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oh the boss die when passing door with switch is still going on...

sweet pelican
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i noticed i got a achivment for killing someone with me blowing up, neat

untold widget
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yeah I just can't do gun knife psyker

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unless theres another room nuke psyker there for bulk enemy removal

frail sand
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knife gunker imo relies on positioning very heavily

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if you get caught in a bad spot it's very difficult to recover

untold widget
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well you are also single target for the most part

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so you just have to wittle things down one to three at a time

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takes forever

vapid lichen
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u could always bring the funny flying crystals and vomit all ten at once

frail sand
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there's also the funny max bleed knife for bleed kiting

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is it optimal? probably not. but funny.

hasty breach
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im rolling for a purgatus staff. 1, is it worth it, and 2, what are the stats i should prioritize? im looking at a brain burst / soulblaze build. sorry for noob

vapid lichen
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i play revolver knife on 3 classes im used to having kinda poor waveclear

frail sand
vapid lichen
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most pugs are so bad anyways that u can bring a suboptimal build and still carry

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but it does make it harder to recover when the situation goes down the drain

plucky flax
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Tru that's why I use blaze trauma.

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Gimp myself.

hasty breach
weak galleon
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I fcking hate crafting system in this game, feels like some MMO, rather than vermintide.

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i guess sustained fire doesn't apply to RMB either?

vestal fulcrum
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Pay attention to the buff icon

violet yoke
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Na man people like him can't be bother with stuff like that! He should be able to craft exactly what he wants and be done with the game first try!!!

vestal fulcrum
weak galleon
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even on light attacks

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nothing changes on 3rd 4th shot

smoky turtle
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Emprah gave me this, what should I do with it?
Seems like it would be pretty good for a crit build, but I'm not really sure how much crit this staff can realistically attain, and if that would be worthwhile to begin with
Should I just replace both blessings? The base stats seem fine

frail sand
smoky turtle
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I'll give it a go
wouldn't Surge be better though? I can't imagine 3 stacks of soulblaze outweighing doubling your (already critical) damage, given both only trigger on crit

vapid lichen
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the soulblaze gets applied even at the outer ranges of the rmb

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where the aoe does like 10 damage

smoky turtle
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ahh
that makes sense then

vapid lichen
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yeah the fully charged aoe is huge too

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whenever i sit on high and i blast a full rmb into a horde i can see the entire group get lit up

frail sand
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real neuron activation

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i forgor, does surge even work on RMB of trauma?

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or only LMB?

vapid lichen
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i dont think so

smoky turtle
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WHAT
no way lmao

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that's nuts
for a tier four blessing too??

frail sand
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otherwise u may be building for a rapid LMB dispenser

smoky turtle
vapid lichen
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pinned guide has surge in garbage tier for trauma

smoky turtle
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that's very sad

frail sand
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i wonder why KEKW_ogryn

vapid lichen
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which prolly means it doesnt work

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rending with surge would be pretty cool huh

frail sand
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but if u ever want to build a LMB spam staff-

vapid lichen
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wait maybe not idk if it would stack lol

smoky turtle
vapid lichen
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void with surge and nexus 😋

royal granite
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i've been running the revolver since patch 14 dropped i think

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i sometimes experiment with staves again, nothing really hits as good

vapid lichen
long wharf
smoky turtle
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no fun allowed

vestal fulcrum
vapid lichen
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i was a wingman enjoyer when i played apex
i can never truly let go of revolver my beloved

frail sand
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it's an excellent idea

vestal fulcrum
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It should work on shots 1-3 - the buff becomes active as a projectile is released

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Then resets on a timer

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From what I can observe, anyway

royal granite
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i run smite since that hard carries teams in auric maelstrom who would otherwise definitely not survive

smoky turtle
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I don't even remember which one smite is
I don't think I have one of those built

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oh wait

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the blitz

vapid lichen
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lol

smoky turtle
royal granite
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i tried running other things with smite, but when teammates are too dense to kill ragers who are stunned 2 feet in front of them, nothing cleans up as well as the revolver

long wharf
smoky turtle
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too much warp for today

royal granite
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sometimes the lightning smooths out all the creases

vapid lichen
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deimos push stabbing a rager is such a good feeling

long wharf
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Lightning comes from the creases though

royal granite
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yeah, you spend all your creases on lightning

vapid lichen
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the lightning comes from static built up in the creases

long wharf
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🤔

vapid lichen
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but if u use too much of ur built up static the creases unfold

long wharf
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Then how would you get them back?

bright mica
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psykers react to this for me to do your daily first, you have 3 mins

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you're competing with filthy zealots

vapid lichen
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get them back? why would u do that

vapid lichen
bright mica
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also your pfp is cute

vapid lichen
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oh okay

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thank you

bright mica
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i have builds for like everything

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my goofy ahh

vapid lichen
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revolver and knife with assail, scrier's gaze, and disrupt destiny

bright mica
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you hate me

limber tartan
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weakest revolver psyker damage

vapid lichen
bright mica
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but sure let me build that

vapid lichen
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i run that

bright mica
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i dont even have a revolver on my psyker lmao

vapid lichen
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because i am mentally ill

bright mica
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yea i can tell

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FJDSHDSFHD

vapid lichen
bright mica
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ok i dont wanna waste plasteel imma just run laspistol like a sane person

royal granite
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revolver is very good

limber tartan
vapid lichen
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okay feel free HAHAHA

limber tartan
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Since this is full 30 stacks of dd

bright mica
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revolver is good but i have a veteran so

limber tartan
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And you need ammo to keep it up and stack it

vapid lichen
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realism is for normal people

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just build a revolver on every character

frail sand
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ogryn big revolver

limber tartan
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And this is just some revolver i pulled out from brunt's

royal granite
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DD uh
sucks shit

bright mica
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DD got buffed a bit at least

frail sand
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???

limber tartan
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DD slaps ass

bright mica
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it helps laspistol a lot

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:P

frail sand
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DD is great

bright mica
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I love DD my gf has two of them

vapid lichen
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it's a lot better when you can easily dome whoever you want from across the map with only the best gun in the game

bright mica
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alr cya guys

vapid lichen
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i need dd gf...

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women...

royal granite
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idk if the revolver has the ammo to keep up doming the random targets prioritized by dd

vapid lichen
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just never miss

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it works out that way

royal granite
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even if you never miss, i mean

vapid lichen
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it uhhh

ornate hamlet
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Yeah

vapid lichen
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i have an ammo vet slave in the form of my bestie so i try not to think about it too much

frail sand
#

just bring survivalist on psyker, whats the problem

royal granite
#

also competing to kill a target that your teammates don't know are a priority for you is so fucked

vapid lichen
#

it's like a minigame

#

pop the target before your teammates do

ornate hamlet
#

It's also important that you don't keep refreshing the buff every single instance they show up

vapid lichen
#

itd be so much better if it just decayed

ornate hamlet
#

If you just made it to 15, no reason to slam the revolver on a CIA agent across the map

#

Tru

royal granite
#

if you happen to be pugging with someone running an out of control trash clearing built, like for example every ogryn on the planet right now

#

it can be a bad time

ornate hamlet
#

I wish DD at least gave you a stack for team kills

#

Even if it ran on a cooldown or something

royal granite
#

gives you a stack for doming off your teammates

ornate hamlet
#

True and real bestie

limber tartan
#

DD is actually fairly easy to keep up at 30 stacks (at least for me) if you've got decent aim

vapid lichen
#

who up giving they teammates the dome

limber tartan
#

And since your stacks refresh whenever you stun a marked enemy

#

Meaning that as long as you keep hitting something that is marked you will never loose stacks you don't need to kill the dude

royal granite
#

ah do they

limber tartan
#

That is also why i run smite with it

royal granite
#

that sounds quite good

vapid lichen
#

i run 30s duration instead because i get so sad whenever it gets quiet for a moment and suddenly all my stacks fall off

limber tartan
#

at 30 stacks you pretty much 2/3 shot reapers with a laspistol, don't know about crushers but maulers go down in a little higher amount than that

royal granite
limber tartan
#

I have tried running the longer duration one but since its only 15 stacks its just not enough damage to justify going it, at least for me

vapid lichen
#

getting stuffed 🤨

royal granite
#

yeah you know, ogryns big, friendly fire happens

vapid lichen
#

ur right

#

so true

ornate hamlet
#

Wait, I thought you needed to kill stuff

candid crest
#

Haven’t run force swords in ages. What’s good on them nowadays, perks/blessings wise?

royal granite
#

deflect

ornate hamlet
#

Uncanny strike and a blessing of your choice

royal granite
#

force swords are defensive weapons

ornate hamlet
#

No

vapid lichen
#

does stabbing a crusher in the head with my deimos and knocking it over count as defending

royal granite
#

the only thing force swords do that other melee weapons don't is block bullets

ornate hamlet
#

As an option

#

That can take the slot of a damage blessing

limber tartan
#

They're defensive because they can block ranged fire and im pretty sure they are the only weapon family that does not have a counter attack after block push just annother push

royal granite
#

yeah but for every other task, there are other weapons that do the job better

limber tartan
#

also the range of both the pushes is greatly increased

vapid lichen
#

force sword push goes crazy tho

royal granite
#

yeah that too

#

blasting a rager on their ass feels great

#

.

#

i must be in a weird headspace today

vapid lichen
#

nothing wrong with that

candid crest
#

got this on 1st sword i decided to roll. am i correct that this is unbrickable and i can save plasteel later? 😄

bright mica
#

and yeah pretty much unbrickable gg

frail sand
bright mica
#

honestly carapace isnt a bad roll either

#

will defo help

frail sand
#

yeah

#

inb4 hadron swaps ur uncanny strike secretly

candid crest
#

thanks guys. i am just short on plasteel and i still tons of stuff to roll on other classes

#

so can roll like 5 swords max

frail sand
#

what else do u guys use on deimos apart from uncanny?

#

the increased power on repeated wp hit?

vapid lichen
#

i like unstable bc i dont pull out my deimos that often, usually just to stab large man or angry man

#

but that's probably not the best use of it

ornate hamlet
#

Repeated weakspot is a no-no

#

Easy to fuck up or have the game fuck up for you

untold widget
proven stirrup
#

Petition for consecration to cost nothing but diamantine

#

It's absurd how this resource just never goes down

untold widget
#

what's it used for?

#

I don't know because I've never run out

proven stirrup
#

Everything and nothing at the same time

#

You start using it for higher level items

#

But the choke is actually plasteel because you use IT at every stage of the gear refinement process

#

Whereas diamantine only comes into the equation later on and only barely

#

I'm very tired of never having enough plasteel for anything more than a couple rolls of something

proven stirrup
#

Well that's kind of irrelevant

#

This is about diamantine

#

Plasteel is going to feel terrible all the time unless you're just living in the auric level mission screen and not everybody is capable of that

#

Auric missions are exhausting

spring gust
#

Do I have to do this all in one mission?

limber tartan
#

Oh a lot of people live in the auric screen even if they are not capable of that

#

They just fail

proven stirrup
#

People can do what they want.

#

Getting to that point is just as important as being at that point.

#

All of my characters are in this weird, scuffed but playable state and have been for weeks

#

Purely due to resource bottlenecking

orchid shadow
proven stirrup
#

It's perfectly possible.

#

It's just weird because it takes a million years to get to that point and it's just generally poorly balanced

#

The fact of the matter is we need a dedicated diamantine sink

orchid shadow
vernal cove
#

i swear to god i got the amphitheater raid 3 times in a row again

proven stirrup
#

And they've not even acknowledged the glaring holes in the system

#

Diamantine has only once been my sticking point and that was before the crafting changes

crystal oxide
#

I noticed Voidstrike seems to do pretty decent damage on headshots for crushers and mailers. But I want to optimize this

#

How can I get to full charges to charge faster and reduce the number of full charges to drop them?

#

I have a roll with everything in the 70+ except warp generation

crystal oxide
#

Basically I want to reliably hit two headshot breakpoint reliably.

#

And to charge to full strength as fast as possible.

vernal cove
#

so what is the 'role' of a psyker?

brave fiber
#

But mostly support/utility, huge cc and single target dmg with some staffs

vernal cove
#

aight so im doing it correctly for the most part

steel flame
#

Is this good for my psyker? I hate using guns, but I thought that I might as well keep it

crystal oxide
#

I noticed Voidstrike staffs do horrible damage to bosses

brave fiber
west stream
#

Unless you are gunker

brave fiber
#

unless that

#

but not using a staff on psyker feels heretical

west stream
#

Generally you make up for it in CC and ammoless ranged kills tho

west stream
hasty breach
#

how much should i care about this quell speed

brave fiber
#

The warp res definitely helps make it less painful

summer prairie
#

it's very painful

brave fiber
#

You could also take 30% more quell speed in the tree if you really want to use that staff, might help

hasty breach
#

im just annoyed after rolling 20 trauma staffs that they all have some critical flaw in more important stats tbh

#

i have one with like 3 80s and then blast radius at 40 or something

brave fiber
#

The desire sensor is real

#

play with what you got, eventually you’ll find something you’re looking for in one of the shops

azure bridge
#

how much of a dps increase is true aim for a voidstrike build?

#

significant or?

plucky flax
#

Yes

plucky flax
echo turtle
#

True aim helps a lot, it means you can also focus on perks and blessings that help with damage and sustained firing rather than crit chance

#

You don't need warp Nexus imo when you have guaranteed crits

#

If you have surge, that + flurry helps you DPS really well, if you don't have surge, the Quell on weakspots allows you to keep firing without having to worry about quelling. With quell on kills from the talents and quell on weakspot, when firing into hordes you may end up with net negative peril more often than not

orchid shadow
#

What's the current Docket / Plasteel / Diamantine cap? Google is failing me right now.

idle aurora
near wyvern
azure bridge
#

surge is the double projectile on crit right?

idle aurora
prime elk
#

your credit card limit

orchid shadow
vale hatch
#

whats the trash stats for the staff and sword (the one that don't need to be high)

vale hatch
#

voidstrike

arctic solar
#

why surge force staff kills doesnt proc "cruel fortune" (which should give 2 additional stacks of disrupt destiny)?

brave fiber
# vale hatch voidstrike

highest to lowest prio is dmg and charge rate, then blast radius and warp res, then quell speed

#

afaik

vale hatch
#

i play assail with illisi sword and voidstrike and i feel like i do no damage at all to monstruosity

#

thats horrible tho

brave fiber
#

because psyker does piss dmg to monstrosities in general

vale hatch
#

sometimes i play the deimos sword that can have decent damage on monstruosity but less effective when i wanna go melee with horde

brave fiber
#

id say your best options are deimos, dueling mk4, or brain burst (empowered)

#

that or go gun psyker

vale hatch
#

yeah i wanted to maybe try the laspistol

#

i don't like brainburst smite and assail are more fun to me

brave fiber
#

well thats the only blitz we got that does good damage against carapace or monstrosities so

echo turtle
#

Most teams don't need the psyker to deal boss damage. Bosses are easy to deal with, it's the stuff the spawns around the boss that is a threat

#

Focus on clearing the area, don't worry so much about the boss itself

brave fiber
#

^

#

literally every other class has ways of doing great boss dmg, psyker aint built for it

echo turtle
#

Yeah, and if you run brain burst you can slap some DPS on if needed. But realistically it shouldn't be needed.

Any ogryn can solo any boss, most zealot builds can drop a boss in no time. Same with vets

#

Even as my psyker, if I can engage a boss without mutants and flamers on me, I can dodge dance and defend and pick away at it on my own.

Bosses shouldn't be a major concern when building for this class

#

Hell, you can solo any boss in the game pretty easily with a Dclaw as psyker. Learn that weapon if bosses are a big problem

near wyvern
ornate hamlet
#

I still maintain the truest gamers will duel the boss with a sword and farm funny headshots

brave fiber
#

fair lmao

near wyvern
west stream
#

Attacking you just increases crit

#

gets hit one dodge into boss, launches into barrel, explodes and dies

ornate hamlet
#

KD users forgetting what stamina management is and blocking the boss forever

void kelp
#

Good to see that you will be greatly rewarded for playing Maelstrom missions

ornate hamlet
#

Your shcladen is a bit schit

west stream
#

I like to run scryer with laspistol and magdump plague ogryn

#

Not sure if effective but feels nais

ornate hamlet
#

Laspistol, totes

void kelp
#

The schaden is very good with 9%

#

only 71 missing wtfgryn

ornate hamlet
#

Nachladegesch.

lofty temple
#

Fatshark are truly masters of foreshadowing

#

They named the first force sword "Obscurus", foreshadowing the fact it would be driven to obscurity by the subsequent release of the Illisi and Deimos

near wyvern
wicked hornet
#

what stats are we looking for in Mk4 chainsword?

near wyvern
eager mantle
#

Majority of people in my runs who deal more dmg than me to the monstrosities are when a ogryn with blaze away gets to focus on them

wicked hornet
tulip trench
#

what exactly does surge staff excel at?

#

is it for killing chunky bois?

lethal lagoon
#

Shooter hordes. Shotgunners. Specialists.

#

Opening shield bois, consistent crusher damage.

tulip trench
#

hows it fair against carapace enemies?

#

crushers/maulers + abominations

lethal lagoon
#

4-5 charges for crushers, not bad for how fast it is and easy to aim it is, but definitely not the fastest.

#

The recent hotfix seemed to have accidentally buffed monstrosity damage quite a bit for surge.

#

It's not terrible anymore, just "decent".

#

I have no idea what an abomination is btw.

#

I assume you meant monstrosity?

tulip trench
#

woops ya

spice veldt
#

kf2 moment

lethal lagoon
#

No biggie, you could have easily meant mutant, so I just wanted to be sure.

tulip trench
#

i use revolver/voidstrike a lot for carapace enemies and monstrosities
hows it fair against them?

lethal lagoon
#

It's easier 🤷‍♂️

#

It's probably 2-4 seconds versus 4-5 seconds for surge.

#

But you gotta hit weakspots for both void and revolver for it to beat surge.

#

And probably crit for revolver.

tulip trench
#

so the allure of surge is just ease of use

#

high average damage with only general aim requirements

lethal lagoon
#

The allure for me is running through shooter hordes

#

Cause no pub on the planet will kill shooter mobs at any reasonable pace.

tulip trench
#

fair. ive been assail spamming those rooms, but it still struggles

ornate hamlet
#

Surge is pretty neat

#

Fast charge, no aim, fuck-all blessings bloating the pool, turbosuppression primary

lethal lagoon
#

Using Revolver on Vet and Zealot, when it works, it really works. When it doesn't, it's like throwing wet tissue paper. Surge is pretty consistent compared to that. Full surgical stacks is of course always an option, but that is time spent.

ornate hamlet
#

What you can't stun you just left-click walking towards

tulip trench
#

fair

#

cause i have solid roll revolver and voidstrike

#

guess its time to farm a surge

ornate hamlet
#

Lob 1 (one) ball at a gunner's direction and watch it stop shooting

lethal lagoon
#

Surge is pretty forgiving stat wise.

#

Literally any 370 surge staff is probably fine.

ornate hamlet
#

I also don't remember it having such a big range for the secondary

lethal lagoon
#

Blessing wise, as he said the pool is tiny and only Flurry and Nexus are worth anything.

tulip trench
#

the left click is the same as void/trauma right?

lethal lagoon
#

Yeah, but better.

ornate hamlet
#

I think they changed that at some point and shit goes real fucking far

lethal lagoon
#

Surge has a higher base crit.

ornate hamlet
#

Funny that surge doesn't have surge

lethal lagoon
#

Staff left click with the auto mod, actally viable.

obtuse moth
#

its more that it has a crit stat that can give it crit chance and crit damage

tulip trench
#

what blitz does it pair well with? EP BB? ive been a big fan of the warp charges for +dmg and bubble cooldown

lethal lagoon
#

Unlimited power is always an option, surge left click is always there to handle snipers and too far away gunners.

ornate hamlet
#

I'd say BB because I cover hordes with melee

tulip trench
#

even with dueling sword being strong

#

illisi too good

ornate hamlet
#

But if you don't like meleeing hordes you can pop assail

lethal lagoon
#

Smite for me isn't so much for hordes as it is, "Oh look, there's 100 enemies in this tiny space, elites included, let's damage and stun everyone and then set them on fire".

surreal eagle
#

I bring smite for ragers, they are such a pain

lethal lagoon
#

You'll do insane DPS on chokepoints on Auric Maels

ornate hamlet
#

Admittedly I think surge and illisi already cover so much ground that I forget to use my blitz

lethal lagoon
#

Surge Illy is my pairing too.

ornate hamlet
#

It's so easy to walk around RMBing everything

tulip trench
#

so maybe BB for carapace+monstrosity
OR
smite for oh shit 11 crushers charging us

lethal lagoon
#

And yet you'll still run into people terrible at using surge 😆

ornate hamlet
#

I think BB might be the pick to cover for obnoxiously long ranges and guaranteed hits

#

Since for the stuff you can't shock you'd depend on the funny ball's projectile

lethal lagoon
#

Mark plus left click if your aim is fine, you can pop snipers real easy.

#

I rarely need more than 1-3 shots, which is super fast now.

tulip trench
#

dump stat for surge?

edgy radish
#

hi, what is exactly the peril mechanic when I blow up? sometimes I get to 100% and im able to quell but sometimes I just blow up

tranquil plume
#

what are the weapons or power for psyker to deal with carapace or rager squads ?

lethal lagoon
surreal eagle
lethal lagoon
edgy radish
#

im on assail and it let me do it sometimes buy maybe it rounded from like 99.7

#

thanks

quasi junco
#

whats the mod that lets you spawn in shit in the Meat Grinder?

#

Need to practice on ragers

lethal lagoon
#

Creature Spawner

ornate hamlet
#

97% is the critical peril where you cannot start any action that consumes peril

lethal lagoon
#

Soloing bosses is pretty fun practice too.

ornate hamlet
#

Brain burst works in the sense that it takes when you started charging it

#

Staves take when you let go of the charge

lethal lagoon
#

Does 97% even matter for anything other than BB?

ornate hamlet
#

I don't use RMB on BB much, so I think it works like staves

lethal lagoon
#

I'm pretty sure you can release staves at anything below 100.

ornate hamlet
#

Might be that I'm wrong on staves

#

Worth checking since my most used staff is called Zarona

#

And my second fires lasers

lethal lagoon
#

I mean I feel like I'd be blowing up every game if I was wrong lmao.

#

So anything below 100 is fine to "release" for staves right click.

tranquil plume
ornate hamlet
#

Uncanny special

#

Actually idk if uncanny affects special rending, but

vapid lichen
tranquil plume
#

i upgraded max an illys sword , deimos takes 2 special while illys do 5-6 slash on the head against crusher in psykarnium

#

what am i missing ?

vapid lichen
#

you can hit 100 all you want as long as you don't do anything that pushes over the edge

crimson zealot
spice veldt
#

just how the illisi is

vapid lichen
#

things that build you peril over time can easily kill you since each tick counts

spice veldt
#

if only it had a thrust push-attack like the psword

lean python
tranquil plume
tranquil plume
spice veldt
#

I'd swap to deimos/duelling mk4 if nothing else, unless the illisi is the centerpiece of your build

tranquil plume
#

i want a loadout where i can deal effectively against unarmored and armored without having to rely team to bail me out if i have the skill for it

#

but i can only come up with assail , illy and purg which is flawed

kind jay
#

illy/surge?

lean python
spice veldt
#

prob illisi to mk4

#

if you're comfortable with melee and not getting rumbled by crushers/maulers

lethal lagoon
#

You can also purg things and then quickly get stacks of uncanny on your melee

tranquil plume
#

so drop assail for BB , swap purge for surge or void

#

wasnt surge recently nerfed ?

lean python
lethal lagoon
#

The surge strory arc is fairly complicated, but it's decently strong right now.

tranquil plume
#

what do i target with surge ?

queen fog
#

Yes

kind jay
#

^

lethal lagoon
#

Also yeah, BB purg is a good combo

#

Can also do assial, purg, and mk4 dueling sword.

vapid lichen
#

but i heard it's still bugged in another way lmao

lethal lagoon
#

^unconfirmed if it's a bug

#

Surge can hit weakspots now

#

and get weakspot damage

queen fog
#

Aye but thankfully the last hotfix brought it to light m

#

So it might be a bug

kind jay
#

its not as bad as previous patch though it can prevent surge's usual one-shots

#

(sometimes)

lethal lagoon
#

So they definitely meant for surge to visually hit any body part. They didn't intend for it to do less damage when it hit limbs, which they fixed. But did they intend for weakspot damage and different armor hits on limbs, no one knows.

queen fog
#

I think not cuz there’s no modifier stat that effects weakspot damage on the staff but that’s just my guess

tranquil plume
lethal lagoon
#

Surge is unarmored and flak perks atm.

#

Surge can kill anything though

#

it's espically fast at killing shooter hordes, you don't need to charge right click at all, just spam it.

#

Only for elites do you really need to charge it.

#

Crushers die in 4-5 charges, charges are insanely fast.

queen fog
#

Even without warp flurry

tranquil plume
#

revising my build

lethal lagoon
queen fog
#

Thank god we got multiple loadout slots then, makes going back to old/making new builds way more seamless

#

“Crap my new build didn’t do so hot in that previous mission time to press a button to go back to my old reliable”

#

Compared to having to remake the build every time

ornate hamlet
#

my almost perfect mk 2 dueling sword

plain rune
#

damn

#

almost jackpot

blazing echo
#

I tend to use the IV, does the IIs moveset involve bug sweeps?

woeful patio
paper loom
#

Has anyone tried the mod that let's you modify weapons? I'm curious can other players see your nodded weapon in game?

woeful patio
zealous oak
#

Have they changed Disrupt Destiny to be any good yet?

woeful patio
#

No

zealous oak
#

Sigh

obtuse moth
#

they fixed the bug that makes the marked target appear not marked afaik

woeful patio
#

Just played 3 rounds of damnation with it

#

no

#

Highlighted enemy still randomly swaps as you're engaging enemies

#

Haven't even killed the target yet and another enemy highlights

plain rune
#

can confirm

paper loom
#

I've used it for ages don't think I've noticed this

plain rune
#

also its not marking sometimes

woeful patio
#

It's a terrible keystone, needs fixing or a redesign tbh

paper loom
#

I've noticed ogryns etc don't get marked

plain rune
#

but its still better than other choices for gunpsyker

vapid lichen
#

it should decay over time instead of dropping all at once

woeful patio
#

I agree

vapid lichen
#

or at least mark multiple enemies

paper loom
#

Yea I use a gun

woeful patio
#

Just like warp charges

#

Sucks to get the max 15 stacks then lose them all

plain rune
#

i tried 30 stacks

#

realized i just dont get marks

woeful patio
#

I prefer the duration modifier atm

paper loom
#

I like it you can see hidden enemies before they appear

woeful patio
#

It's niche though

#

Wow I can see a dreg bruiser through a wall, epic, sswish sswish and he's dead

paper loom
#

Bit when using a gun yhe other two are useless

plain rune
#

i need my warp minigun

digital narwhal
#

1 Plasteel short of changing Groaners to Carapace

plain rune
#

i want to shoot peril like a bullets

lean python
woeful patio
#

Hot Take: Psykers shouldnt use guns

#

You have access to the warp, and you choose to throw bullets like a monkey

plain rune
#

hot take: psykers should get explosive bullets

woeful patio
#

The only reason I'd use a firearm is to take ammo and make vets mad

digital narwhal
#

Empathic Evasion says hello

paper loom
#

We should just get a laser staff

digital narwhal
#

BEAM STAFF WHEN?!

plain rune
#

no

woeful patio
#

Also porting any of Sienna's staves 1t1 would be fine for Darktide

digital narwhal
plain rune
#

i need my barrage staff

quasi junco
#

Lol I never use gun on psyker, as it lets the other classes have a better ammo economy

woeful patio
plain rune
#

i want to spam warp bullets

obtuse moth
plain rune
woeful patio
#

You should reject Assail on principle

paper loom
#

Gun psyker so much fun tho

woeful patio
#

all is well

plain rune
#

no

digital narwhal
woeful patio
#

BB Psyker is apex predator of the DarkTide ecosystem

lean python
#

Well since i have yall here, thoughts?

digital narwhal
plain rune
#

blaze bad

#

perks bad

woeful patio
#

Blaze fun but bad

frail sand
plain rune
#

overall bad

woeful patio
#

Wish it was better

frail sand
#

embrace the fire illisi

woeful patio
#

uncap the soulblaze stacks you COWARDS

vapid lichen
#

isnt crit damage terrible too

woeful patio
#

Crit Chance > Crit Damage

vapid lichen
#

at least that one can be changed

lean python
#

Its a meme Wildfire Purge build, not meant to be good lol

frail sand
#

it's not even good at memeing smh

plain rune
#

real

frail sand
#

not max crit chance smh

woeful patio
#

Unfortunate state of affairs for Blazing Spirit on melee weapons tbh

#

Needs something

young meteor
vapid lichen
#

devs dont even have the courtesy to make blazing spirit 3 give 3 stacks

echo turtle
vapid lichen
#

clown_hadron i have a 549 fire illisi

#

it's worse than the 513 illisi i was using before

ornate hamlet
#

Sounds like a personal problem, I don't have one

vapid lichen
#

sounds nice

quasi junco
#

wtf is this

ornate hamlet
#

A bird

#

A plane

quasi junco
#

its wiggling around

ornate hamlet
#

Oh that

#

That's Jerry

#

He does that

vapid lichen
#

jerry's cool

quasi junco
#

LOl never noticed that before

vapid lichen
#

leave my mans alone

#

he just be chillin

lethal lagoon
quasi junco
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can a illisi tank a DH? Or no?

vapid lichen
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ur probably gonna want kinetic deflection and deflector for that

quasi junco
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I have those, in that creature spawner mod the DH just leaves when you aggro it

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so I cannot test 😦

vapid lichen
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yeah that's just how the demonhost works
it leaves if there's only one person alive

lethal lagoon
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Yeah, it's nice to know if you are solo

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You can just run past the DH

quasi junco
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kinetic deflection with VS seems it could hold for awhile

obtuse moth
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you can test if you spawn bots

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tbh, mine hasnt left without the bots for a while now

glossy ember
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it finally appeared

obtuse moth
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no bots

vapid lichen
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i think it's specifically if it starts attacking you? idk

lethal lagoon
glossy ember
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i can't even test that blessing out because my blessings are locked on my staff

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i wanted it anyway

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i'd unironically love run & gun if you could sprint while releasing rmb

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sucks you can't

primal blade
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hey guys is there like a list of unique cosmetics ?

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or is such a list not yet done

lean python
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what are BiS blessing/Perks for Illisi? Is Precog Slaughterer good if ur running Empathic Evasion?

lethal lagoon
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Slaughterer+ personal choice. Maniac + personal choice.

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Precog is not that good.

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But if you already have precog slaughterer, give it a whirl.

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I wouldn't shoot for it though.

orchid shadow
glossy ember
languid tusk
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how do i spend my upgrades on this surge ?

glossy ember
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sprint into unarmoured

languid tusk
glossy ember
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until they fix the armor roulette glitch yes

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you can check the aethenum

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And you'd wanna switch out sprint anyway

gentle cliff
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You're certainly swapping the sprint into something anyway so

languid tusk
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good point

trail mulch
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does "surge" work with the RMB of the Trauma staff?

kind jay
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no

languid tusk
glossy ember
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but your staff is good to go as soon as you get unarmoured thumbsup_ogryn so no issue waiting to upgrade

fading iris
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git gud and you will be fine

trail mulch
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Why are there so many useless blessings for the psyker in the game?

fading iris
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you can't have only good blessings

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need to throw some that are better only in certain situations, certain playstyles, and the full useless ones

trail mulch
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I don't want "good" I want useful. I want "makes sense to be there":

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Yeah, a "double strike" Trauma RMB would be awesome. Give it additional peril generation. Make it balance.

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Goddamit. For an entire fragging year, I play this game and yet, whenever I leave a match and I'm back on the Mourningstar, I am pissed how poor the rest of the game is.

fading iris
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As an Surge staff main and enjoyer, you don't want to have FS poking at your staff to make changes, trust me KEKW_ogryn

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Jimmy likes to do some wild coding

mighty olive
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I just want pre animation change surge back T_T

spice veldt
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make the circle on trauma accurate

kind jay
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they already make changes tho

trail mulch
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There's a reason C&C can also be "Cocaine and coding".

spice veldt
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the visual circle on trauma defaulting to the 100% blast radius epicentre 😢

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and no indication of the outer radius

trail mulch
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Give me "gravitational pull", where the enemies fall over each other as they are pulled to the gravitas of the ring, give me "solar flare" "supernova" with burn stacks, give me "random sharp objects" for bleed stacks

fading iris
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I just want to grill in peace!

trail mulch
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and why do most staffs share the same LMB?!?! Another step backwards from VT2, not remedied one year later.

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KHORNE WORTHY SCREAMING

brave fiber
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been complaining about this for MONTHS

trail mulch
mighty olive
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Trauma too, similar to conflag

brave fiber
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i have, never touched sienna tho, purely played kruber

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mostly grail knight

mighty olive
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Haven't tried sienna necro yet but it looks sweet

fading iris
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purg LMB needs to be turned to an Fireball tho KEKW_ogryn

trail mulch
fading iris
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that could work too, I just want lmb to complement, not to be the same stuff

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smol fire or big fire is meh

brave fiber
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i think staff m1s should fit the niche of the staff's m2 to some extent. purg has great cc on its m1s, like its m2, so maybe something like surge should get a quick single target zap that ccs?

proven stirrup
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They serve different purposes

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They can't just copy VT2 staves either, that'd get lazy real fast

brave fiber
fading iris
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let me use smol fire and big fire, but give me the option to change it if I want

proven stirrup
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Then you pick a different staff

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that's the option

brave fiber
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thats fair, i do think though that staffs shouldnt have an answer to every problem

proven stirrup
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^

fading iris
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for example on my beloved surge, I have the best of both worlds muklukDennis

proven stirrup
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Which is fine but surge also has dramatically less aoe

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Everything has tradeoffs

brave fiber
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i think the default m1s we have rn fit the void staff the best rn

fading iris
brave fiber
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they just need to be a teeny bit stronger

proven stirrup
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The...single target shot?

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That you're complaining is on every staff?

fading iris
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it staggers

proven stirrup
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That's not important

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I said aoe

brave fiber
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spammability vs needing to charge

fading iris
kind jay
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just ani-cancel rmb

proven stirrup
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Stagger is one thing, actually applying damage to wide swathes of enemies is

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Oh, fair

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My bad

brave fiber
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cuz fr

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who uses staff m1s

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other than purg

kind jay
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i do!

proven stirrup
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There's plenty of reason to use them

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They're fast and can hit hard enough to take out stuff before you get to it or vice versa

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it's just the fact that it's the same shot most everywhere

spice veldt
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they serve a purpose but I would like something different somewhere

fading iris
# proven stirrup I said aoe

the LMB spam turns into an aoe, you kill and stagger or stagger and kill... in case you hate your mouse button, your finger and wrist KEKW_ogryn Surge users should use it more

kind jay
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i do wish it was a big ass lightning bolt instead

spice veldt
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they have nice stagger and respectable damage with crits/weakspots albeit not the easiest to use consistently at distances

proven stirrup
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These ideas sound more like whole new staves

fading iris
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which would be better

snow dust
brave fiber
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make surge m1s a blast of electricity that knocks enemies down tbh

proven stirrup
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You guys have to realize, the left click has to be weaker than the right click