psyker-class

[potent echo]

There's a few interchangeable skill points for the standard purg build

[manic halo]

thank u for recoomend

[severe folio]

you know venting on enemies with 2 stacks still only make them 6 right

[untold widget]

well I don't have a place for the wildfire point to go, so its whatever

[severe folio]

not making them 8

[untold widget]

I'm wasting a point

its fine

[echo turtle]

That's not true

Shriek adds 6 stacks, it does not set them to 6

[severe folio]

show me your build

[potent echo]

You can swap around warpbattery/deflector/wildfire/toughness

[severe folio]

it is true

[manic halo]

psyker chat talking about numbers

RP writes itself

[severe folio]

you arent getting up to 8 friend

[spice veldt]

shriek adds 6

[manic halo]

truely incomphriensble minds

[severe folio]

shriek add 6 but if you dont have 6 prior to that

[fading iris]

I showed you my psyker build, please respond

[spice veldt]

2 + 6 = 8

[echo turtle]

If something has 2 stacks and shrieks adds 6, it goes to 8

[severe folio]

its also why if you max shriek into a horde and then purg them, the flame stack only goes up to 15

Nope

[spice veldt]

that's why you Purg and then shriek

[manic halo]

she on my 6 till i Shriek

[echo turtle]

Go test it and see

Yeah shriek has a higher cap than the staff

[manic halo]

🔥 ✍️ 🔥

[severe folio]

yeah i know, thats the point im trying to make

[potent echo]

Yea you purg then shriek, 22 stacks

[spice veldt]

shriek has a cap of 31

[echo turtle]

Shriek has to be done after the staff

[severe folio]

yeah

[echo turtle]

Staff then shriek gets you 6 higher than the staff

[severe folio]

and wildfire happens after shriek

so what does that make

[echo turtle]

No

Wildfire does not only happen after shriek

[untold widget]

ugh I'm actually not going to stitch these screenshots together

sorry

[thin loom]

quick question about the purgatus staff, is cloud radius important?

[spice veldt]

ye

[severe folio]

yes it’s important

[potent echo]

Very

[spice veldt]

despite the name, it also affects the range

[severe folio]

its how wide your fire shoot out

[echo turtle]

Wildfire is applied to all the soul blaze in the field, which is also the stacks that generate when I kill a spelite

These stacks stick around as stuff is dying

[potent echo]

Err that's PC isn't it

[thin loom]

damn, got a staff with its second lowest stat being 77, but the cloud is 33

[severe folio]

the soulblaze from killing elites is Perilious Combustion

which is significantly stronger than wildfire

[potent echo]

And PC doesn't trigger off of soulblaze

[echo turtle]

Yes, which I also use

[fading iris]

No, just get the low cloud size possible and transform into a fireball staff this is a jk, it is important

[severe folio]

that is the true infinite fire

it spread 3 to all enemies around it

with no cap

[celest hedge]

I never used a trauma staff before, what perks and blessings should I look for on it?

[potent echo]

Don't use it

[severe folio]

if you have PC you may be under illusion that wildfire doing something

[echo turtle]

So wildfire like I said, helps keep stacks around, which helps with shriek as it adds 6

Simple

[severe folio]

when it may be pc doing the most

[thin loom]

I love playing dnd in my fps

[echo turtle]

It's a little of this, little of that

[potent echo]

PC doesn't work off of soulblaze though

[untold widget]

Ok, which should I put this point into? Soul Stealer, Battle Meditation, Warp Expenditure, or Mettle?

I don't use any of them, so i don't really care which

[celest hedge]

if anything I'd value wildfire more than PC

[echo turtle]

What I notice is there tends to be more fire around when I have wildfire, so I keep it

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/dn-d5e-fireball-gif-19620844

[potent echo]

Uhh seeing mettle, you don't have perfect timing?

[untold widget]

nope

[echo turtle]

I am also venting every 15 seconds

[potent echo]

What

[severe folio]

wildfire can help preserving up to 4 stacks around a horde but thats still at most 4 enemies gettinf affected by a single soulblaze

[potent echo]

Perfect timing is free 16% damage

[untold widget]

sure

[echo turtle]

Anyways, wildfire allows stacks to spread up to 4 to nearby stuff. If you lay more fire on after it's profit

[untold widget]

in order to get perfect timing, I guess I'd have to give up 6 warp charges as well, which makes shouts less frequent

hard to say which I like better

[echo turtle]

My highest DPS build uses it, and I am happy with it

[severe folio]

if you can lay fire over and over

on everyrhing

wildfire is pretty much out of job

[potent echo]

I don't take KD

[celest hedge]

i just started running mettle in my surge smite build and it's nice, not sure if you'd benefit from perfect timing much outside of a scrier build or surge

[severe folio]

the only circumstance where i can see it do the most perhaps is when you have a singular blazing spirit weapon and no shriek

[potent echo]

Don't take brainburst nodes either

[untold widget]

Kinetic Deflection is my pride and joy

[echo turtle]

Do you have scoreboard?

[severe folio]

because thats when you get limited soulblaze generating method

[severe folio]

why

[celest hedge]

but both BB nodes are incredible though

[potent echo]

Perfect timing applies to soulblaze damage also, it's like a free tier 2 perk on everything and it stacks

[untold widget]

I know

I just haven't run into a situation where I need any more damage

I melt rooms

at a time

[echo turtle]

I would suggest playing with and without it, to see if you notice a difference in your soulblaze damage over the match

[severe folio]

I play with purgatus Rhino

[echo turtle]

So?

[potent echo]

I'll KIV that statement

Purg does too much damage

[severe folio]

how would I test wildfire when im using purgatus

[echo turtle]

You take the talent for a few games

And compare it

[thorn cedar]

fatshark please give psykers shotguns please i want to sprint slide and smite a heretic and then blow them apart with buckshot in a single smooth motion please

[untold widget]

like, maybe with that extra perfect timing damage, I wouldn't have to melee for Crushers

[echo turtle]

I don't see what is confusing about that proposition

[untold widget]

but

[severe folio]

Rhino do you

[untold widget]

I like stabbing them

[potent echo]

You just play normally

You will see a difference

[severe folio]

Can you explain to me how does Wildfire work in your opinion

[untold widget]

ugh

[echo turtle]

Why won't you just look at the data of your games?

[untold widget]

apparently I have to go play another game

later siblings

[potent echo]

You flame a corridor, things die, the elites behind come in prebaked with 4 stacks

[echo turtle]

I'm not interested in armchair Darktide or the psykanium meta

[potent echo]

They die faster

[echo turtle]

You are saying it's bad, I suggest you give it a try and see if your damage changes

[potent echo]

It just works somehow, even theoretically it isn't good

[severe folio]

the elite behind come in prebaked with 2 soulblaze you mean

[sour bison]

Smite+revolver makes use of wildfire a lot btw

[potent echo]

Yea you should try it a few more times

[echo turtle]

I would be interested to hear your results if you do, otherwise I'll agree to disagree and move on

[potent echo]

Nah because of the volume of things dying

Also your teamkills also spread wildfire

[echo turtle]

If you try it, I suggest trying with the better scoreboard

[severe folio]

so im investing a whole point for an elite to get 4 soulblaze behind some corridor

with a purgatus

staff

[potent echo]

Got gotta try it out before you hate it

[echo turtle]

It will separate your soulblaze damage from everything else, which makes it easier to track what is happening with your build

[sour bison]

Also u can run assail with purg. Its playing together surprisingly well

[celest hedge]

fire spreading through a crowd when you're not pumping out flames or against stuff that's out of your staff range isn't bad

[potent echo]

I used to hate it until I tried it again and it actually feels nice

[severe folio]

do you not understand that, I am probably the one who is under the wildfire illusion the longest out of everyone

[fading iris]

keep having this conversations, both purgatus and wildfire will catch random nerfs

[potent echo]

Never purg is peak

[severe folio]

Rhino, purgatus spread soulblaze up to 5-6 stacks on a massive cone against a horde of mixed elite

[echo turtle]

I am aware how it works

[severe folio]

I dont think Im going to see wildfire 4 stacks going anywhere with it

[echo turtle]

Why are you so resistant to using the scoreboard and actually testing it in game?

[sour bison]

It is coz everytning else is nerfed

[potent echo]

If 20 things die, that's 80 soulblaze that will be elsewhere

[sour bison]

[severe folio]

Because i have used wildfire ?

[echo turtle]

Surge is peak imo

[severe folio]

and i know how bad it is ?

because I thought it did things when it’s actually a redundant ?

[sour bison]

Its copium talking

[echo turtle]

800k damage in Aurics and maelstrom my friend. I think that slaps

[ornate hamlet]

i love funny circle staff

[potent echo]

It's because people don't know how to use it so they don't know how broken it is

So it always evades the nerf hammer

[untold widget]

I'll run mettle and perfect timing with purgatus after I get done with this Ops night, I'll report back

[severe folio]

If i really want to test wildfire, it would be going in something with a blazing spirit blessing and see how much its spreading

wasting a point to

prebake an enemy in 2-3 soulblaze

when venting shriek broil everything in 6

[upbeat parcel]

wildfire is legit such bait

[sour bison]

Warp charges?

[echo turtle]

Yeah

[severe folio]

You really think its making the difference try remove wildfire

and invest into something else and see your own performance

[upbeat parcel]

but if ur beating ur auric maelstorms do whatever bro but it is a waste of a point

[sour bison]

Boring

[echo turtle]

That's what I am saying to do, try it with and without and look at the damage you are dealing

[potent echo]

I did, then I put it back on

[severe folio]

wel i dont know how you did it guihel but im not gonna do it

[potent echo]

You can really feel the difference, that's the best I can describe it

[severe folio]

i played with wildfire for too long im not going back to it

[echo turtle]

You actually looking at your damage on a scoreboard or going off game feel?

[potent echo]

Also I gave up KD because it isn't always too relevant

[severe folio]

I dont have separate scoreboard damage on my scoreboard mod

[echo turtle]

Huge mistake

[severe folio]

just how many kind of enemies killed

[potent echo]

I rather have wildfire

I have revive speed I don't need KD

[echo turtle]

Overbake plugin or whatever

It's really helpful

[potent echo]

Ovenproof

[severe folio]

Look rhino

[potent echo]

Overbake

[severe folio]

if my soulblaze damage goes up because wildfire keep spreading

[sour bison]

U can do good if your team doing bad

[severe folio]

that sound like a good thinf on paper

[echo turtle]

At this point I am running 2 stam, KD and block efficiency

I don't feel like dying anymore.

[severe folio]

but in reality its 1-2 soulblaze on maybe 4-5 enemies

and thats not killing anything

so what about, how many enemies you actually killed with it

instead of the soulblaze damage you ramp up for no reason

how many actually died from those soulblaze

or are you going to tell me what matter is those soulblaze helping your teammate killing them

[potent echo]

Depends on playstyle yea I really should be blocking more

[echo turtle]

Sure, though I think a lot of people struggle to break 500k in more games regardless of the team

[potent echo]

Like running attacks are meant to be blocked I think

Because of their stupid ass tracking

[upbeat parcel]

psyker can break 500k pretty easily on maelstorm since there's so many enemies

[potent echo]

And if you block trash they will go into a long stagger animation

[upbeat parcel]

sorry not maelstorm

damnation is enough

[potent echo]

Alternatively you can push

[echo turtle]

Sure, they can. And should. Many struggle to.

That is in response to me saying I am consistently getting excellent DPS with the build I used and the response was -team bad-

[fading iris]

I just play the only true mission over and over again... the tutorial

[fresh reef]

Tankred Bastion, woo yeah baby

[wet belfry]

Every mission, difficulty is just a tutorial

You cant really die. You will be able to select a mission over, over again.

[potent echo]

Tutorial the real true solo experience

[upbeat parcel]

yall think auric maelstorm is hard? true gamers use only greys

[fading iris]

seeing an reject running to a closed gate area, not even to the gate door is peak grimdark 40k

[wet belfry]

Depends on condition, team probably

A chasm logistratum with extra specials, monstrositys, nurgle blessing, enchanced blitz was legit hard even for a good team.

[fossil snow]

psyker chat!

[fading iris]

and don't forget that Zola survived an blade that probably had Papa Nurgle blessings on it

[fossil snow]

got any neat surge staff esoterica?

[waxen abyss]

True gamers only use minimum grey stat rolls

[upbeat parcel]

I'm a surge staff enjoyer what do you need

[fossil snow]

I have a good enough one

but im not sure what to do to spike its damage

[severe folio]

prebaking is useless on purgatus

[wet belfry]

If you want the hard mode of the game you can always go vet

[sour bison]

From lvl1

Also no talents

[fossil snow]

I know it has some weird crit stuff

[sour bison]

Thats the true experience

[upbeat parcel]

what blessings do you have? and perks?

[fossil snow]

flurry and barrage, the barrage is going away

I just wanna know neat surge facts mostly

[upbeat parcel]

oh uh

[fossil snow]

like how evicerator needs you to use your zealot charge to rip it out

[upbeat parcel]

u can animation cancel the charged attack of it

to land damage faster

if you switch weapons after u fire it

[fossil snow]

or you can knife a bolter go ready instanly

[upbeat parcel]

it's sweaty but it can save u sometimes

[sour bison]

I have 545 surge with 4 flurry and nexus

[fossil snow]

mines flak carapace, but I was considering crit chance 4

[upbeat parcel]

nah surge already has enough crit stuff inherently

[fossil snow]

because I mean like

yeah?

[upbeat parcel]

I would go unarmored to make sure you one shot gunners with a full charged hit

[fossil snow]

I dont really get how surge crits

is it just random crits like melee?

[waxen abyss]

Do any other psyker weapons work like this?

[upbeat parcel]

not that I know of

[fossil snow]

my little guy

[upbeat parcel]

but tl:dr surge doesn't have a good multiplier for crit for some reason

[wet belfry]

You can sprint slide with all staffs in the game to move quicker while charging

[upbeat parcel]

so the gain is low

[sour bison]

It harder not to crit with nexus

[fossil snow]

I was using super old surge from like, old surge up until the other day

so my idea of what it can and cant do is kinda..... low

[upbeat parcel]

but surge also lacks blessings so might as well go for the warp nexus blessings

[short lodge]

there are other staff cancels, but the Surge one works bc the charged attack is technically 2 attacks

[fossil snow]

yeah that is kinda the thing isnt it

[short lodge]

it does the rest of the damage if you cancel the fist clench

[fossil snow]

not really the blessing space to come up with weird things

[short lodge]

and it used to kill you if the first part of the attack took you to 100% lmao

[upbeat parcel]

but that's a solid staff either way

[sour bison]

Purg is better imo

[upbeat parcel]

I would put unarmored instead of carapace but at the end of the day depends on how u use it

[fossil snow]

I was actually thinking unrelenting

[upbeat parcel]

surge staff will 3 - 4 shot a crusher regardless of the caparapce perk I'm pretty sure

[fossil snow]

since ragers suck

[upbeat parcel]

that works too

[fossil snow]

and a crusher is gonna get cooked either way

[severe folio]

simpletons do you see the difference between wildfire and without it

[upbeat parcel]

surge is not just about damage it's also about single target CC

crushers already get fucked for that

[fossil snow]

im gonna be straight with you

the entire reason im trying to find any scap of damage on this thing I can is because I like it when things go pop

[upbeat parcel]

LMAO

[fossil snow]

and I want to maximize my chances of that happening

[sour bison]

I found that maulers and ragers are far more dangerous than crushers

Tbh

[upbeat parcel]

voidstrike on a crit build might make that happen better

[severe folio]

because crushers are slow

[fossil snow]

I like that electrical pop

[upbeat parcel]

fair

the last tip I can think of is

surge LMB is the best LMB between the staves

because of the critical bonus

[fossil snow]

I cant belive someone saw the charged explosions and went, wait but realistically it would discharge at random

[upbeat parcel]

so don't be afraid to shoot one to finish off something u think it's close

[fossil snow]

LET ME FIX THAT

[sour bison]

Statistically maulers are the leading cause of death in DT

[fossil snow]

it HAS to be trappers

[upbeat parcel]

maulers one shot us like crushers but they're harder to hear

bigger threats if u ask me

[severe folio]

reason why they reduce it is probably because it was eating up graphic

[sour bison]

Yes

[fossil snow]

wait it works like that?

[spice veldt]

at least you can build to survive mauler overheads

[fossil snow]

for no reason?

[rotund dagger]

I was looking into getting a new force staff when I realize I have pretty good rolls for all 4 of them

There needs to be MOAR

[fossil snow]

it just IS the shot but crittier?

[spice veldt]

surge has a higher base crit chance

[upbeat parcel]

ya

don't be afraid to spam LMB with surge

[fossil snow]

I knew id get some weird esoteric thing!

thats pretty up there

[severe folio]

its more crit prob because it shoot faster

[upbeat parcel]

I think all staves shoot the same speed

which is still fast af

[spice veldt]

and the bolt gets a 2.5x damage boost on crits compared to bodyshots

[fossil snow]

I remember my first time shooting post patched staffs

pew pew pew pew pew

[upbeat parcel]

it's funny I used to be a voidstrike enjoyer but it got kinda

[fossil snow]

.... man staffs used to feel SO much worse~

[upbeat parcel]

boring

cause it's too good

[fossil snow]

I was a voidstrike enjoyer when it only worked if you hit heads

[upbeat parcel]

u can horde clear, crusher delete, monstrosity damage voidstrike does it all

[fossil snow]

it wasnt as useful

[rotund dagger]

I want a lock on rocket pod psyker staff

[upbeat parcel]

u still ideally want to aim for the head

[fossil snow]

but if you got the right horde in the right spot you could part the seas like moses

[upbeat parcel]

but we're psykers we didn't pick this class to AIM

[fossil snow]

yeah but now a body shot can still fuck most things

which IS cool but

if I bring old voidey, I have to make myself use other stuff

this is my favorite staff

[rare arrow]

Psyker too strong

[severe folio]

the bullet staff

[fossil snow]

it casts heretics go away

and it has a REALLY high succsess rate

[severe folio]

if theres a bullet staff what would you name it

[fossil snow]

Flintlock

I wanna name weapons so bad

and I want it IN game so it works with inspect

[severe folio]

theres a mod

for that

[rotund dagger]

just a big version of a single assail shard going in a directly straight line lmao

[upbeat parcel]

Being able to engrave "milfslayer" onto my dueling sword would be sick

[fossil snow]

can you see other people's names?

[severe folio]

if theres a staff that shoot bullet would call it Columnus Mk <number> Bolt Force Staff

[severe folio]

No

[fossil snow]

see, I wanna see what randos come up with

how long will it take to see a ripper named the fucker-er

[tired jackal]

what blessings do you want on trauma staff? this poppped up in milk for me

[severe folio]

depend on what trauma staff you making

[fossil snow]

speaking of trauma, can you get surge on surge?

[rotund dagger]

Yeah thats pretty much it

[tired jackal]

oh boy so both :S

[severe folio]

what ?

[rotund dagger]

Just slap on the perks you want

[severe folio]

Not really

[fossil snow]

surge

[sour bison]

Do u thing shizos will get something new on second part of the update?

[severe folio]

dont slap on the perk you want you might waste it

[tired jackal]

good thing i can only choose one :S

for grabbing bless

[rotund dagger]

Hopefully everyone will get something new

[fossil snow]

staffs share a pool right?

[severe folio]

recommend replace nexus with Rending shockwave

[manic halo]

no

[fossil snow]

oh right

rending disproves that outright

so I cant surge my surge to surge while I (critically) surge?

[tired jackal]

oh nexus is crit herp warp probs better on trauma

[severe folio]

even all the skills that share among all staff

doesnt actually share

all staff is their own unique category

[spice veldt]

surge only exists on voidstrike and trauma

[severe folio]

so earn blessing from a staff only give blessing to that singular staff only

also you dont get double shockwave blast with trauma on surge

it only work with the lmb

[upbeat parcel]

Vermintide 2 has a beam staff

I would love it in dark tide

[tired jackal]

i dont use trauma at all, but would like to keep a t4 if possible for a good/godroll staff for potential future use

[potent echo]

Actually I've been thinking

Is BR better than void at killing elites

[severe folio]

dont ask

[sour bison]

do u think or do you hope?

[potent echo]

After playing flurry transfer void I feel like I'm just using a projectile version of BR

Maybe flurry surge the real stuff

[spice veldt]

if you anim cancel brain rupture with resonance and EP and the elites aren't grouped up or are enemies that vstrike isn't cleaving and are at a distance where you're not consistently hitting vstrike balls probably

[severe folio]

i dont feel a difference between with and without wildfire

[potent echo]

In game?

[severe folio]

in game

[potent echo]

I'm just thinking between wildfire and KD

[severe folio]

what the fuk does KD has anything to do related to Wildfire

[potent echo]

Wildfire seems nice but also not really, KD also seems nice but also not really

[severe folio]

bruh

[potent echo]

Just thinking where my points go

[severe folio]

show me your build

what is it, blaze trauma ?

[potent echo]

It's in the err

[sour bison]

dont forget that wildfire making heretics burn and fire looks great

[potent echo]

#1158835513789272126 message

I'm just swapping between KD and wildfire

[sour bison]

visuals > effect

[severe folio]

wildfire tickle heretic at most and i do not feel it when im purging

[fair magnet]

off topic but i hope psyker gets acess to braced autoguns in the future because that pirate theme weapon skin would look great with my pirate gun psyker

[potent echo]

Yea like it's nice vs stacked up ranged elites, but once flak ragers, maulers and crushers your cleave just disappears

[severe folio]

personally i would pick neither and invest into ranged damage, more toughness

[potent echo]

That's when you want surge

[sour bison]

just 1-2 more stacks here and there can make a difference

[severe folio]

or those toughness, peril related

[potent echo]

Ranged node affect SB?

[sour bison]

difference between gunner being alive with 5% hp and dead

[severe folio]

affect purg raw damage

[severe folio]

no it doesnt

[upbeat parcel]

btw I have a question

the guide we have pinned says we should either double up on hp curios or toughness curios, not have both at once

but it doesn't really say why

[fair magnet]

i mean why did fatshark make that skin for the braced models it would look so good with my pirate/rougetrader look😔

[potent echo]

Bleegh I rather go KD or wildfire

I don't need more toughness

[severe folio]

go KD then

for assurance

dont go wildfire

[sour bison]

mb something about maulers oneshoting you or not

but idk

[spice veldt]

at least on HP, I'd take at least one hp curio to get through bursters/sniper breakpoints

[upbeat parcel]

so if I double up on hp or toughness I won't get one shot? that's kind of pog

[potent echo]

Do you have the breakpoint?

[sour bison]

i dont care, i run 2 tough and 1 hp

[spice veldt]

I just set it as 200 hp

[upbeat parcel]

one slot is forever reserved for 3 stamina for me

[spice veldt]

bursters deal 50 corruption of you're hit by the inner radius

[potent echo]

Sniper does 120 right?

[spice veldt]

snipers deal 98.8 damage if you have one +20% res

[upbeat parcel]

I'll double up on hp and see how that cooks

[spice veldt]

or something below 100 damage

[echo turtle]

This, I get just above 200

[potent echo]

I see

[spice veldt]

it may be impractical to survive two sniper shots if you have on-the-dot 200 HP, but I suppose it will prevent you from getting owned right from a revive

[potent echo]

How do you get 200 hp on 1 health curio

You need 5% perks?

[spice veldt]

I think so

[severe folio]

5% extra health in perks from other 2 curios

[echo turtle]

I just have the one curio and maybe a 5% from another

[spice veldt]

+10% from the hp node leading into warp rider as well

[echo turtle]

Ah yeah

Always take warp rider

[potent echo]

Because 150 base * (1+0.1+0.21) only gets you 190+

You need some 5%

[spice veldt]

I usually stack HP perks cuz the other options aren't appealing

[potent echo]

Hp stacking is additive right?

[echo turtle]

There's 10% on the way to warp rider, which is an auto take

[spice veldt]

ye

[potent echo]

Hmmm I'll try and hit 200hp, but also I need sniper res

My revive speed no

[spice veldt]

so theoretically 219 HP (+46%) from one hp curio, perks, and that talent node

[echo turtle]

Arco, do you even need the 20% if you have the skill that gives DR from perils?

[upbeat parcel]

I have 228 hp from my switch to another hp curio but having 95 toughness hurts my soul

[sour bison]

If u get hit by sniper two times u deserve to die

[spice veldt]

the DR from kinetic shield/one with the warp is toughness dr

[echo turtle]

I'm running 98ish rn. It's ok

[spice veldt]

so you'll get owned by bursters and snipers all the same

[potent echo]

Sometimes you gotta do the sniper trade because someone died in an open field with snipers

[severe folio]

they are gone

abandoned

you cant save them

[shy pewter]

Woah, Melk has something interesting. Smash or pass?

[potent echo]

If you time it well you don't need to trade but usually

[echo turtle]

Well ideally you aren't getting hit by snipers

You want enough HP that you won't lose over a wounds worth from a sniper or burster

[upbeat parcel]

smash

[echo turtle]

Otherwise if you are down a wound, you just one hit die

[potent echo]

Yea 200 is nice to aim for

[severe folio]

Smash

[potent echo]

Like after 1 wound you don't want to insta die to sniper

[upbeat parcel]

specially because you don't have those 2 blessings

[echo turtle]

Exactly

[upbeat parcel]

and they're kind of must haves for that staff

[potent echo]

How much damage do bursters actually do lolmao

[shy pewter]

Yeah finding Nexus 4 is good in its own right

[wispy pike]

A lot

[spice veldt]

if it's the same as patch 12

[echo turtle]

Around 100 iirc

[spice veldt]

100 damage total

[sour bison]

It there diflector 3 or 4? Seen only 2

[spice veldt]

50 corruption and 50 HP on the inner radius

[echo turtle]

I know at sub 200, burster kills you when at or under 1 wound

[spice veldt]

and 35 corruption and 65 HP on the outer radius

[echo turtle]

Yes there is

[shy pewter]

Yes, both

[potent echo]

Alright >200 it is

[echo turtle]

Though the difference between rank 2 and 4 is like, 10% block efficiency

So rank 2 is fine

Not ideal, but serviceable

[sour bison]

500 hours in dt, only seen 2

Ffs

[silk hawk]

I noticed that sometimes buster blow do not does corruption thou.... Idk why honestly xD

[echo turtle]

I have rolled deflector 4 like 10 to.es

Times

Here's my advice

[spice veldt]

probably cuz overshield

[echo turtle]

Just start rolling swords looking for bloodthirsty

You will get deflector instead

If you are trying to get deflector, it won't happen

[spice veldt]

overshield/yellow toughness protects against things that ignore your toughness (except barrels)

[echo turtle]

That's how Darktide works

[sour bison]

Im doing ut last two weeks, spent like 2kk on deimos swords

[echo turtle]

I feel you

[silk hawk]

Barrels op...

[echo turtle]

I have upgraded so many sword trying to get bloodthirsty

At this point I am buying purple swords from melk to upgrade

[potent echo]

Arco would know

[upbeat parcel]

Me when assail procs every barrel

[severe folio]

what does blood thirsty do again

[echo turtle]

Auto crit after a special activation kill

Pretty good on illisi

[spice veldt]

I don't like the implications of this statement

[echo turtle]

You're the embodiment of the black library

[sour bison]

He called you a nerd

[echo turtle]

Our nerd though

[spice veldt]

could also be propaganda about me killing teammates

[echo turtle]

This isn't the ogryn chat, it's a conpliment

[severe folio]

found a second one

[spice veldt]

or me being the unfortunate victim of them (this statement is true because of josho)

[echo turtle]

I swear they have been popping up more since the last patch

I have seen 3 this week, but 0 the month prior

[severe folio]

this is the first time i seen it after months

[severe folio]

what do you guys think

[upbeat parcel]

what is that

idk guns

[spice veldt]

looks good

[shy pewter]

looks solid

[spice veldt]

Columnus is one of the guns where I'm fine with crit chance

[silk hawk]

I think it's a barbaric weapon.

[echo turtle]

@spice veldt I am leaning into survivability rn. What do you think is better, 2 stam or 20% block efficiency as a perk on a deflector sword?

[silk hawk]

Efficiency

[echo turtle]

For context I have deflector 4 and 36% block efficiency on curios

[spice veldt]

I'm tempted to say stamina for pushes

[echo turtle]

Ah yeah good point on that

[silk hawk]

Bcuz with deflector sword u will probably run block to peril ....

[spice veldt]

depending on what else you have for stagger

[echo turtle]

I do, I want an endless reserve

[fading charm]

hey is there anyone willing to help me with a psyker penance?

[spice veldt]

oh yeah, +stamina factoring into kinetic deflection

[echo turtle]

Solid

[fading charm]

the malleus monstronum one

[severe folio]

hmm

i still have bugged flame problem

[silk hawk]

Do it in maelstrom... Weaker mons counts too.

[fading charm]

yeah but it needs a private game doesnt it?

[silk hawk]

Means?

[severe folio]

the bomber's flame patch not appearing fast enough

[silk hawk]

Do have any mods that affect flame?

[severe folio]

disabled all visual mods already

should be nothing else that could affect it

[silk hawk]

Not appearing fast enough thou what is that means? Like it's bugged or u start taking dmg in empty spot?

[severe folio]

this the bug

[silk hawk]

That's a weird one... U also don't have bomb trace...

[severe folio]

thinking it might be graphic setting

[silk hawk]

Tried to default darktide options?

[severe folio]

default darktide ?

[silk hawk]

Options -> set to default

[severe folio]

i dont see the set to default

[blazing echo]

Drivers old?

[severe folio]

idk

it didnt happens before

it suddenly got old now ?

like, a few days ago ?

[silk hawk]

U didn't upgrade drivers like i told u before?

[ornate hare]

you playin on iphone?

[severe folio]

i actually did upgrade

i upgrade the nvidia

but then

well

cant enter optimization

[silk hawk]

Wat?

XD

[severe folio]

laptop not strong enough

[silk hawk]

Fps was fine on the video so i doubt it's a hardware issue

[severe folio]

well

in the actual combat

fps does suffer in some area

and a little bit at the beginning of every mission

[silk hawk]

If it happens in testing ground it is not a hardware issue 🙂

[severe folio]

okay

i guess that size down the search zone

[upbeat parcel]

my game runs fine until fire comes into play

then I CHUG heavy

[potent echo]

I think it might be a vram thing

[silk hawk]

I can't check out right now, but if fatshark do not have set to default option, u gotta find and delete player settings ini file

[potent echo]

Best is to turn on diagnostics

Afterburner / rivatuner

[upbeat parcel]

well I do have 8 ram when this game recc's 16 minimum

LMAO

[potent echo]

Ram is different from vram

Vram comes from gpu

[silk hawk]

It was fine before for him o think

[severe folio]

tried change graphic setting between low and high to see if it fix

[potent echo]

Ah, then it's probably just

[severe folio]

didnt fix

[potent echo]

If you download the potato mod you can go superlow

[severe folio]

im aware this happens after i install more graphic setting

i removed the more graphic setting mod

problem persist

[silk hawk]

It probably fked your settings ini... 🙂

[severe folio]

i see

i guess i should

delete the ini and what

[silk hawk]

U gota find it, and delete

[severe folio]

then what

[silk hawk]

And launch a game

[spice veldt]

looks like particle capacity

[severe folio]

ok

[spice veldt]

set it back to 1 and it should be fine

[spice veldt]

since setting that to any value below 1 completely removes ground flames

[potent echo]

Yea you need to restart the psyk

[severe folio]

particle capacity

okay, ill try that before the ini

[candid crest]

illisi from Emps. Salvdageable or blessing fuel?

[upbeat parcel]

that low finesse hurts a bit

I would reroll but maybe my standards are too high

[severe folio]

not a bad standard

would get a different sword

[echo turtle]

Just had a game where the psyker that joined did literally nothing but spam smite

That was cool....

[severe folio]

smite good damage

[potent echo]

It is perfect if you want a meme firesword

[echo turtle]

By the time he had done 10k damage I had over 50k, I dunno how people are getting good damage with smite but neither has he

[candid crest]

but how viable is the meme firesword?

[upbeat parcel]

get shred and dump the rest

[echo turtle]

It's viable on malice

[potent echo]

Helping the team not play darktide

What do you mean you don't like shooting stationary targets

[severe folio]

very viable to impress people in sedition

makes them go awe

[upbeat parcel]

empowered smite boosts the shit out of your damage score

[severe folio]

your stagger score

[upbeat parcel]

that too

[severe folio]

its not fixing

[upbeat parcel]

sometimes u look at the score and you know you carried the game...

[potent echo]

Did you restart?

[severe folio]

oh

restart the whole game ?

[echo turtle]

Well, maybe empowered smite isn't as bad, but this fella was just casting smite, quelling smite quelling and was doing basically 0 damage

[potent echo]

They say you can just exit and enter psyk

[severe folio]

oh

i did it before i enter the psyk

[solar sand]

anyone ever see or try a 0% trauma for the meme?

[severe folio]

so i though thats not needed

[potent echo]

Restart game to be safe

[solar sand]

shred to slaughter or uncanny, then what?

[potent echo]

Change to 1.0

[severe folio]

yeah its change to 1.0

[potent echo]

Apparently it's a reported bug that anything below 1 breaks the game

[severe folio]

okay its fixed

[silk hawk]

Kekw

[severe folio]

thank you, it really was that mod

and it was particle capacity

[hidden crystal]

Good to know how many doors you opened and closed.

[silk hawk]

And that's why u only install mods that u actually need...

[severe folio]

well i needed that mod

to reduce the lag coming from all the fukin flame fatshark throw at me

[spice veldt]

there should prob be a bigger disclaimer for particle capacity

[silk hawk]

What? Did u expect less flame in hell :)?

[solar sand]

@echo turtle did this with EP smite and creeping flames last night

[potent echo]

There's the ground flame particle change but idk if it cursed or good

[severe folio]

yes

[hidden crystal]

Honestly, I think that's mostly what "Machinery Operated" is in the scoreboard, and I'm really not sure why it ranks it so high in the scoring.

[bright mica]

hi gamers

[potent echo]

You spam the gate at the end of carnival for a billion points

[bright mica]

How's the 2nd best class chat doing?

[silk hawk]

Imagine spamming doors for the scoreboard that is not even official 😦

[potent echo]

Hey if it's funny to you why not

[silk hawk]

Btw, can we still kill monstrosities with a door?

[potent echo]

But I'm using ovenproof's plugin that doesn't have these stats

[upbeat parcel]

bro let me spam my door

it's also not every door

only the last door in carnival counts

for some reason

LMAO

[potent echo]

The mod will tag it as ____ operated machinery

Idk why

[upbeat parcel]

getting 200 team score for spamming E on it for like 4 seconds

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, it's silly.

It's not usually very meaningful who pushes the elevator buttons or cycles the airlocks (given that's mostly dependent on when everyone gets there), and while yes, sometimes starting machinery is actually progressing things, I've also seen people trigger mid or end events before everyone was ready.

[potent echo]

You can remove certain stats from being tracked

Like carrying ammo packs

Or pressing buttons

[echo turtle]

Solid damage, I'll give EP smite a go and see what it does to my numbers

Smiting is time I could be surging tho

[potent echo]

It's the creeping flames that does the damage

Not the smite

[echo turtle]

Yeah I already use that

Haha

[potent echo]

This is where you need ovenproof plugin

[solar sand]

i also used surge staff, probably 200k of that damage was surge, was a melee auric mael

[potent echo]

Shows you each damage source seperately

[hidden crystal]

Sure, I can change that on my end, but it's what the mod does by default that encourages stupid behaviour from others.

[echo turtle]

My last game was 800k damage

300 from soulblaze the rest from the staff

[potent echo]

I really don't think more than 0.1% of the player base uses scoreboards

[echo turtle]

When you play Aurics, it's closer to 50/50

You want the board to see how you are doing, the feedback helps you develop

[potent echo]

Ok there are 50k downloads on nexus, so maybe abit more than I thought

[echo turtle]

Damage taken, bleed damage dealt, soul blaze are all really helpful stats that shed light on how effective your build is

[solar sand]

i like mine very simple

[echo turtle]

Try ovenproof

[potent echo]

Ovenproof is needed if you want to analyse your build

[echo turtle]

Honestly it's great, you can turn off everything you don't care about abyways

[potent echo]

Small scoreboard is just epeen measurement

[echo turtle]

But knowing what is coming from soul blaze, ranged and melee is important info

Truth

Total damage is a good metric, but the breakdown is actionable

[potent echo]

Well said

[echo turtle]

Like seeing 90%+ of my damage from ranged tells me it's perfectly fine to take a stam/block efficiency deflector sword

Seeing how many crits tells me if I should be using X skills with X weapon

[potent echo]

Well I wouldn't base weapon perks/blessings off scoreboard

[hidden crystal]

I'm sure it's more than that. A minority perhaps, but only one in a thousand?

Nexus reports fifty five thousand unique downloads.

[potent echo]

Since that one is just breakpoints

[potent echo]

Yea alot more popular than I thought

But then why is the average pub still so bad then

[silk hawk]

I can't switch to smite, bcuz if i do i can't kill snipers and i don't trust pugs enough to leave it to them xD

[solar sand]

surge lmb kills in 1-2 hits

at any range

or void

or a gat

[silk hawk]

But if it's a fog, and there is 8 of them

That might become a problem.

[potent echo]

I usually only take smite with gun

[strong gulch]

Oof. Don't play this game after soaking a hot bath. Makes your brains bad for thinking with.

[fresh reef]

This right here is why you always get into the groove on standard

You need your shoulders to be at least moderately tensed to play auric

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I've built my build quite a lot around dealing with ranged, because when I see pugs fail, it's so frequently because we're being chewed apart by shooters or gunners.

[strong gulch]

I'm not good. I don't play auric. 😭

[hazy cedar]

Me either but it doesn't stop me

[strong gulch]

😂

noice

Dang it hadron

[hidden crystal]

In theory I could switch to bringing Shield as my ult, but I think it needs more points in it to be good than Wrath, and I think I'd keep screwing up and expecting it to be Wrath.

Still so used to hitting that to eject a dog off whichever team mate has got themselves pinned on the other side of a wall.

[ornate hamlet]

Shield is pretty decent on its own due to it still being able to eat shit from ranged enemies and providing a directional safety

It's hard to count the amount of times the bubble was what saved the team; and of those, I think a majority of them was the team getting into a shit spot and being shot at from all sides

[digital narwhal]

Had someone call me a troll for running Gun Psyker earlier.
I had to revive him 9 times.

[ornate hamlet]

The players have to be mildly decent at clearing shooters, such as laying down a frontal shield and being able to, at a bare minimum, kill the shooters that can fire from the gaps on the sides

In practice you're not meant to be able to put down shield after shield after shield to cover your advance unless it's one of those cases where the director somehow populated the entire map with gunners and you can't open a crate without 6 popping from it

[wide skiff]

i deleted the scoreboard mod because its existence drags on my gaming experience and fuels resentment of the pubs I play with. with how many rambo zealots and tunnel visioned vets exist, its already hard enough not to be lol

[hidden crystal]

The other day, three of us were sensibly together in the Amphitheatre end event, having to fight like hell, and a Zealot (of course) gets themselves pounced on almost completely the other side of the arena.

And I say "almost", because they were at about 2 o'clock to us and thus completely out of line of sight with no clean shot across.

Of course, we're getting complained at, but it probably would have been a complete wipe if I'd tried a rescue any earlier than I did... and even then I couldn't really do more than get within 30m and use Wrath to knock it off, that's how badly out of position they were.

[echo turtle]

It's fine, change the blessings and you're just down 1 perk. Unyielding is at least helpful against bulwarks

[ornate hare]

Finally 😄

[crude cape]

what are your guys thoughts on a basic trauma staff focused bb + vent + empowered psionics build? I know BB people say is weak but idk, just did a maelstrom with it and it felt good/consistent, but maybe was missing the oomph of other builds. something like this. I also get like just about 200 toughness with this build and 10% toughness dmg reduction. which together is pretty nice

[hidden crystal]

For a purely anti-ranged build, Shield is theoretically better, but my Headhunter with Ghost and Between the Eyes should give me pretty good ability to tank ranged. Or at least it does if the team is working together well enough to keep groaners from flanking whoever is trying to deal with the shooters.

[crude cape]

i could trade empowered psionics for warp siphon stacks to improve staff blasting but i give up like 30 toughness. and it makes BB go from meh to useless lol

[potent echo]

Reasonance makes you want to use BB, which is bad

[crude cape]

reasonance?

[hidden crystal]

That said, as far as my build, the scoreboard has been showing me that my lesser kills are often quite low now though, and I'm not entirely sure what I can do to address that while keeping the general focus of the build.

[potent echo]

Just remove it and pretty much only use bb for extreme ranges

[potent echo]

BR left node

[crude cape]

oh

i dont think bb is bad

its good for elite gunners who are spread out

snipers

a bomber kinda far off

[potent echo]

Yea reasonance is pretty good for spread out gunners

[crude cape]

idk, it feels better than people give it credit for.
Although i dont love running empowered psionics which basically only helps bb, i would rather warpsiphon but i somehow with curio multipliers am losing 50 toughness with this version and it feels real bad

[potent echo]

For warpsiphon I pretty much give up quietude too

Give up KD as well

[crude cape]

i just love KD too much

tbh

[potent echo]

Depends on the build I guess

[crude cape]

i feel so safe with it

[potent echo]

Does 5% ranged node buff trauma? Can't remember

[crude cape]

how good is Inspiring presence

[potent echo]

Is that CDR

It's broken now so it's the best aura

[sinful olive]

Can't imagine it wouldn't but that'd be p easy to answer in the psykanium

[potent echo]

17.5% cdr

[ornate hamlet]

umgak

[potent echo]

Im at work

[sinful olive]

Shid

[crude cape]

i could ditch queitude and battle meditation (on the second build) and grab another +15 toughness and maybe Inspiriing Presence - which is 10% toughness replenishment for you and allies

[ornate hamlet]

How about you go at work in the psykhanium

[sinful olive]

I'll check it out when I get home from lift

[crude cape]

how good is empathic evasion

would picking it up, or a second 5% tough dmg reduction (im only at 5%) be better

[wheat quartz]

if you have a weapon that crits a lot, like purgatus or spamming surge staff, you can be functionally immune to shooters

[strong gulch]

This is true.

I don't want to settle tho. (it's a down grade) 🥲

[onyx sentinel]

Anyone tried out the Peril Gauge mod yet? How do the customizations look like?

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/243?tab=description

[strong gulch]

I haven't but a few people here use it or have tried it

[potent echo]

Even with purg it's not super consistent

Unless you go all in on crit, like with aura and perk

[prime elk]

i just tried the base version without customizing

haven't blown myself up since

[potent echo]

When I play purg with EE I still dodge shotgun blasts and don't rely on EE.

But it is nice when you somehow evade a sniper while flaming a horde

[potent echo]

I think I really want this, it's too much pain to aim void while tracking the peril number

[strong gulch]

I really enjoy EE with my purg. I find it's up enough that I can go heavy aggro wich let's me surpress and take pressure off the team.

I have to start critting tho.

[potent echo]

Yea you need to be high peril for nexus to really get it going

It's nice when it works but it's not something you assume is up 100% of the time

Unlike perfect timing, which is always up

[prime elk]

Yeah it definitely helps

In vanilla sometimes I don’t notice and go kaboom

[potent echo]

I assume it changes colour at 100?

[echo turtle]

Is there some trick to getting decent damage from smite? I am trying EP with smite but it doesn't seem to do a lot of damage

[strong gulch]

You can hit nothing can keep perfect timing up

[potent echo]

Yea it's great

[echo turtle]

Definitely seeing value in it softening hordes allowing wildfire to spread and kill more tho

[potent echo]

EP smite is still really poor

[echo turtle]

Do I pair it with true aim?

[potent echo]

Depends on your ranged weapon

Smite can't crit

[echo turtle]

Yeah it doesn't feel like it does a lot

Surge

But if it procs true aim, could give me more crits with the surge

[urban sandal]

smite is all about the cc, damage is just a small bonus

[potent echo]

You can but it's kinda meme

Yea but it's really clunky

[echo turtle]

Ah ok someone posted a 900k damage game with EP smite so I wanted to try it

But yes it feels clunky

[potent echo]

No it's just the creeping lmao

[echo turtle]

Lol

Yeah gonna go back to warp charges

[potent echo]

You can probably get more if you take warpsiphon

[echo turtle]

The cool down reduction is extremely good

[potent echo]

To spam even more creeping

Exactly

[strong gulch]

Wildfire is funny in that it pairs best with medium-ish amounts of soulblaze.

Purg is covers too much and PC on its own is too little / inconsistent.

[potent echo]

People should use ovenproof more so they know what is what

[echo turtle]

It's what I was doing before, someone was just steelmanni ng EP smite so I wanted to try it out

[potent echo]

And not just big damage equals good build

[echo turtle]

Damage is, ok into hordes, which makes wildfire work well enough

I wish I had a DPS counter up that showed how much I was dealing total

I see smite has like, an alt fire charge action

Does that augment the damage it deals?

[potent echo]

No but it spreads alot faster

[echo turtle]

Ah

[potent echo]

You should always use alt fire

[echo turtle]

Kk

[potent echo]

Don't use lmb lol

[echo turtle]

I have been alt firing assuming it did something

[potent echo]

Even against single mutant it takes some time before he gets stunned

[echo turtle]

It just feels very vulnerable

Gets interrupted

Doesn't seem to kill much at all

I'm not really seeing the value

[potent echo]

The value is letting go early

[echo turtle]

So back to warp siphon

Oh?

[potent echo]

You do a little push

Nothing to do with EP though

[echo turtle]

Interesting

Does the push do some quick damage?

[sonic coral]

Smite sucks hairy balls

[potent echo]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1zGHRhs4qdiz4I/spok?invite=cr-MSw3a1osMTk5OTY0MzA3LA

Use case here, isolate the shotgunner from the horde, shoot it, move on

[echo turtle]

Meh

[urban sandal]

smite is a god send when you get rolled up on by a stack of crushers/maulers/bulwarks

[potent echo]

It's something that no other blitz can do

[echo turtle]

I have no issue dealing with that without smite tho

[urban sandal]

it's more so for the team

[echo turtle]

Killing stuff is the best cc

[potent echo]

Best part of smite is that it builds peril the fastest

So it's good on gunker creeping

[echo turtle]

Surge builds it reaaaaap fast

[potent echo]

Gunker smite

[echo turtle]

Yeah I would grab it if I was running a gun

[potent echo]

Surge don't take smite

[bright mica]

assail builds it faster but that assuming you have charges left

[echo turtle]

Someone earlier was saying surge and EP smite was good

[sonic coral]

Agreed, if your friends use their chin to move and click their mouse smite is pretty useful for team play

[echo turtle]

So like I said, I would try ut

[potent echo]

Uh nah

You generate so much peril both ways

You can't use both at once

[echo turtle]

Yeah my conclusion is, you can deal more damage going BB and siphon with surge

[lethal lagoon]

But muh unlimited power 😦

[potent echo]

I would take assail to handle hordes

[echo turtle]

Seems like surge gets no benefit from the +1 target now aswell

[lethal lagoon]

A cast of EP smite kills horde units, two casts kill gunner elites.

[echo turtle]

I am running surge, so I have unlimited powah already

[potent echo]

Even +1 target doesn't really increase damage since damage dropoff

[lethal lagoon]

Add in flaming shriek, and lovely.

[echo turtle]

I was doing that

It wasn't great

[lethal lagoon]

+1 target does nothing for smite right click anyways

Left click is never used

[potent echo]

Yea like 5 whole seconds later

If you run creeping you don't even need smite

[bright mica]

assail horde-clear took a big hit when they nerfed the reload rate

[ornate hamlet]

Left click is nice for some on-demand stun

[potent echo]

Just burn and go steal someone else job

[stone plover]

Does anyone have any tips on doing the "knocking off a ledge" redacted penance? Because I feel like psychic scream doesn't knock them far enough?

[ornate hamlet]

The actions can be a bit janky with the small delay and what seems to be a lack of input queuing

[potent echo]

Takes longer to reload but you can still chuck 10 at the start of every horde

[ornate hamlet]

But basically it's really easy to tap the blitz and click to stun any non-mutant special

[potent echo]

I can do that with any staff too though

[ornate hamlet]

Trapper about to get you in melee? Quick left-click on smite and not anymore

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, was about to say

[potent echo]

Ball

[lethal lagoon]

Staves do that

most guns do that unless it's a crusher

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, but not everyone is running staves and playing with disablers and fire specials is not something I'd recommend

[potent echo]

If you are not running a stave you are running a gun, in which case shoot

[ornate hamlet]

When in doubt, smite offers that quick stun option and leaves the ranged weapon free for whatever you want

Not all guns can be pulled at the speed smite can

[lethal lagoon]

devoting your entire existence to stunning 1 target is never a good idea 🤷‍♂️

[ornate hamlet]

No one's doing that?

[potent echo]

Does psyker even have any slow guns

[ornate hamlet]

A carpenter doesn't devote his existence to hammering nails just because that's one of the things he can do

[potent echo]

All of them swap really fast

[sonic coral]

Please be nice to knife zealots

[bright mica]

I don't know any gun that can stun a whole room of elites like smite can

[lethal lagoon]

We are talking about left click

[ornate hamlet]

Depending on when you're reacting, smite can be the difference between a staggered special or not

[bright mica]

left click is only rlly good for trappers imho

[ornate hamlet]

Even the swap speed of an autogun can already be a deciding factor

[bright mica]

and flamers

[potent echo]

I guess it can be a nice niche case but realistically speaking I almost never lmb on smite*

[lethal lagoon]

Using a crutch to deal with trappers sounds like a recipe for disaster when you play literally anything else.

[potent echo]

And everytime I do it's always underwhelming

[bright mica]

worth on flamers as it stops them firing

[potent echo]

You can't stop people from crutching though,

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, but the original topic was taking the +1 jump talent which only affects left click.

And that is a definite no in my book.

[ornate hamlet]

I mean

[bright mica]

that said I use assail on every gunsyker because it saves ammo and it boosts hclear and gives you a good anti sniper especially in the case of columnus

[ornate hamlet]

I think the argument can never be had when all that is being assumed is "you're devoting your entire existence to stunning one target" and "you're using a crutch to deal with trappers, you'll suck when not having it"

Quite frankly, it's annoying to read

[lethal lagoon]

I'm jumping to a different topic because there's literally no argument to be had, as you said, just two completely different opinions.

[ornate hamlet]

It reeks of pretentiousness and false assumptions

[bright mica]

I never bother upgrading smite although I don't have a smite EP build because I tried it once and found it very inconsistent and underwhelming

[lethal lagoon]

That comment right there reeks of pretentiousness and false assumptions.

[ornate hamlet]

You never were in the topic to begin with

[restive slate]

Curious, what guns are prefered on Gun Psyker

[ornate hamlet]

You just assumed random garbage and argued against it

[restive slate]

I see IAGs only so far

[ornate hamlet]

There was no need for it in the first place, mind

[potent echo]

Revolver and laspistol are nice

Revovlers assail is probably the most synergistic

[ornate hamlet]

Not once have I advocated for the things you implied and you made it look like I was one of those people whose entire self-given job in a match is stunning enemies with a low-damage blitz

[steel flame]

aight

[potent echo]

Revolver handcannon kill crushers, assail for others

[steel flame]

ive sucked it up and done it

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aadc034-4e30-4a58-ba43-c9764d62a2f0/crazed-laspistol-crit-psyker?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[bright mica]

graia, columbus, Ia lasgun, laspis, revolver

[steel flame]

there you go

the laspistol psyker build

[restive slate]

Ia Lasgun, now that I did not expect!

[ornate hamlet]

I remember when I'd use warp charges to hit breakpoints that vet couldn't

[potent echo]

MG12 kind of lowest dps now

[bright mica]

it's decent, the current favorite and recommended on the psyker guide in pinned

[potent echo]

Others have higher dps since patch14

[bright mica]

I prefer laspis

[ornate hamlet]

Wait, don't tell me

Don't tell me the shitty blue lasgun is now good

[steel flame]

his recommended gun psyker builds are kinda out of date rn

[ornate hamlet]

That stupid fucking carpal tunnel simulator

[steel flame]

pygex's i mean

[restive slate]

I've tried laspistol, revolver, autopistol(old), IAGs but not the Ia Lasgun yet

[steel flame]

hes gotta update his guide

[lethal lagoon]

Advocating for using left click on stunning one low health enemy most classes can one shot does lead to that assumption.

[restive slate]

You can use FullAuto mod if you want

[ornate hamlet]

I remember that thing having the recoil of an automatic Desert Eagle last time I used full auto

[severe folio]

smite should have a modify that the more enemies your smite jump into the higher the damage goes up

[potent echo]

Even if you do assume sometimes it's better not to say anything

[south spruce]

Me looking at the knife zealot going into a horde and trying to kite and fight it while I turn them to crisp with my purgatis staff

[lethal lagoon]

You mean just the left click, right?

[bright mica]

laspis has legit no recoil so idk how you struggled with that unless you mean revolver lol

[ornate hamlet]

The blue ILG

MG4 I think?

[potent echo]

Laspistol has abit of a spread

[restive slate]

Yep

[severe folio]

maybe

[lethal lagoon]

People who use laspistol without the auto-mod are wild and I'm impressed.

[potent echo]

Like a little

[ornate hamlet]

Laspistol has forgettable recoil and suppression, fortunately

[south spruce]

That is an infantry lasgun I think
The LASPISTOL is different, it has no recoil, is smol and smooth.

[south spruce]

It is not that bad cmon

[steel flame]

ive never even thought about it. i hit fire rate cap without much issue

[restive slate]

I want dual laspistols

[lethal lagoon]

I'm less concerned about the fire rate cap and more about playing 5-10 games in a row with laspistol.

[potent echo]

I spam click for melee anyway

[ornate hamlet]

It's almost like we have tools that can be employed dynamically and they might see use in one situation but not the other

[potent echo]

It's the same for ranged

[ornate hamlet]

A crazy concept called thinking

Look it up, it does wonders to the body

[steel flame]

my pinky dies more from sliding than my m1 finger ever does

[ornate hamlet]

Next on the list: "Sterling advocated for revolver as a good gun, I can't believe he's telling people to dump it into a horde of groaners"

[restive slate]

Bet your partner loves your m1 spam

[potent echo]

I put it on mouse button

[bright mica]

ah yeah. it has massive visual recoil but very little "real" recoil. I guess if you could use weapon fov mod to zoom out the model

[steel flame]

sounds like something a heretic would say

[south spruce]

Damn that made me go owo

[lethal lagoon]

Sliding is brutal.

[severe folio]

i rebind crouch to F

[lethal lagoon]

I still click a ton for melee, which makes having to single click for something like laspistol a little too much.

[south spruce]

I am very comfortable with the slide, my pinky is able to work with shift and control easily at this point

[bright mica]

My crouch is left alt

[ornate hamlet]

I want to install a motion tracker and do the slide myself

Each time I need to evade a gunner I'll slam my head on the table

That will indicate I'm not standing

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