psyker-class

[frigid zenith]

I couldn't find anything else but the bayonet that it worked for.

[severe folio]

would be strange if guns that can melee get a blessing to rend on special attack

[echo frigate]

What about running both lol

[severe folio]

then you get less because no crit for blaze

[frigid zenith]

You go from hitting rager for like 800 to 1000-1400.

[frigid zenith]

Need that crit.

[echo frigate]

Oh

[near wyvern]

I tried that with farming True Aim using smite, too much work for something that essentially gets around the same DPS and CC than Nexus Trauma but is just way more effort to pull off.

[severe folio]

should be flurry rending shockwave

[echo frigate]

Nexus tramua?

[severe folio]

nexus blazing

[frigid zenith]

If you want, decent CC, 95% top damage, go pure voidstrike with transfer peril and surge.

[severe folio]

why transfer peril and surge though

[frigid zenith]

Noones going to out dps you becasue everything is fucking dead.

[severe folio]

if you have surge wont you want nexus

[near wyvern]

If you want to game with a controller go smite + creeping flames + warp siphon and use surge staff outside of hordes. Fucking easy mode.

[frigid zenith]

more shots = more dps.

fuck nexus.

[severe folio]

yeah but you get less crit

[near wyvern]

Did a no death AM with it. (0 deaths in team)

[frigid zenith]

doesn't matter.

[severe folio]

so how are you “more shot”

it does matter

its a weakened blessing

wont you want to shoot faster by, idk, flurry with transfer peril ?

[frigid zenith]

sail your strikes into masses of shit at head level and keep shooting, no quelling needed.

No.

[near wyvern]

Void doesn't really need transfer peril, you can just run battle meditation and pick up another blessing for increased DPS

[bleak tulip]

quelling with solidity takes like one second

[echo frigate]

I may have to try this to have an easy carry in my back pocket

[frigid zenith]

I've ran just about every void stike blessing combo you can think of, surge with transfer is the best one.

[echo frigate]

Why is surge good tho?

[near wyvern]

True Aim gets you double balls

[echo frigate]

Yes it does

I'm hunting for surge lol

[vestal fulcrum]

Would this work for a Blaze trauma build?

[bleak tulip]

you guys are talking past each other

[severe folio]

idk

[frigid zenith]

You want to pickup the soulblaze spread talents.

[frigid zenith]

no

[vestal fulcrum]

I'm still experimenting with things and I'm trying to settle on some feats, but I would appreciate some feedback

[near wyvern]

Yes

[severe folio]

it sound like surge on transfer peril means youre getting less surge

because not enough crit

[near wyvern]

But drop the toughness boost top right and take puppet master

[plucky flax]

No warp charges is dps loss.

[near wyvern]

It revolves around aiming horde heads

[frigid zenith]

I think everyone underestimates just how many more shots you get to sail down range with transfer peril.

[vestal fulcrum]

That's one of the nodes I was trying to settle on. I assume the main value of Puppet Master comes from sharing CDR aura over a bigger radius and/or having more reliable reach to teammates for passive Toughness regen to kick in?

[bleak tulip]

let me put it like this, with nexus you basically get surge value almost every shot at like 70% peril, and transfer saves you all of one second of quelling every now and again, transfer is really not as good as you think anymore

[vestal fulcrum]

I don't care about the DPS all that much - I care about having BR that can oneshot a rager in a pinch, though, and quickly

[severe folio]

i know you can get a lot more shot down with transfer peril, but you can’t possibly be shooting them fast enough to critting to the point of consistent surge

[frigid zenith]

I would never run trauma blaze with EP, go charge stacks all the way.

[bleak tulip]

solidity basically killed transfer

quelling is so fast now

[plucky flax]

Fair.

[frigid zenith]

I don't think we are playing the same game.

[vestal fulcrum]

I get what the benefits are from playing with WS, although I still prefer to take EP for convenience

[bleak tulip]

I mean I played like 400 hours of void idk what youre playing then

[zinc tartan]

I too am looking for a Fire Trauma build. I recently rolled this and I wanna try running Fire.

What is the current meta for it?

[bleak tulip]

get flak

[severe folio]

peak blast radius and peak charge rate

[bleak tulip]

blast radius should be higher but this is okay for now

[frigid zenith]

Nothing, don't see too many people using trauma blaze in the wild.

[plucky flax]

What's up with all these trauma guys? I'm trying to get it buffed.

[severe folio]

warp nexus and blazing spirit

[plucky flax]

Pls stop using blaze trauma.

[bleak tulip]

yeah its bad pls buff

[near wyvern]

Black circles are players. All players have 4 coherency in the image because coherency is chained. Be a team player and run puppet master.

[bleak tulip]

I am not rubbing puppets thank you

[severe folio]

oh is that how the coherency do

interesting

[near wyvern]

Lmao my fat fingers

[severe folio]

i shall keep more attention to it

[plucky flax]

Someone in the team usually will have cohenrency increase talent anyway.

Just leech it off them.

[vestal fulcrum]

Right I was assuming then, cheers!

[severe folio]

wait hold on

[frigid zenith]

You do you, when I tried all the combos transfer peril gave me the most mileage by a long shot.

[severe folio]

none of the coherency aura is touching each other

[crimson zealot]

@severe folio Is this bricked T_T

[severe folio]

its the players touching each other coherency auras

[severe folio]

afraid so

[crimson zealot]

noooooo

[vestal fulcrum]

That’s a revelation now, isn’t it

I also didn’t know this until just now

(1k hours in, by the way)

[crimson zealot]

thx btw

[frigid zenith]

Run and gun used to be THE thing to have on purge staff.

[lofty temple]

We should play a game!

[severe folio]

why

[frigid zenith]

sprint around and CC everything.

[severe folio]

why run and gun

[coarse bane]

Why do people like the Trauma staff? It's OK at disruption, but the damage is awful.

[severe folio]

does it use to affect the rmb

[frigid zenith]

spamming left click.

[lofty temple]

Where we match the 3 branches of the skill tree to the 3 personalities!

[severe folio]

people came from german

[bleak tulip]

purg left click spammers are worse than void zero charge spammers

[severe folio]

very odd might as well use trauma

[lofty temple]

I think the Loner fits best with the left tree, crushing people's minds and screaming at them

[frigid zenith]

Im talking about the first couple weeks the game was out, not now. lol.

[coarse bane]

Maybe if you're trying to pick off a sniper.

[severe folio]

even those first couple week it sound so strange

[frigid zenith]

It fucking worked is what it did.

[coarse bane]

But nothing feels better than a fully charged void strike or Surge shot vaporizing an enemy or 12.

[bleak tulip]

first couple of weeks we didnt even know what the fuck was good yet

[severe folio]

well you wouldnt caught me with that back in the day

[bleak tulip]

also its annoying

so L

[severe folio]

if i want to cc back then ill just take the surge staff

[frigid zenith]

Trauma blaze is probably the highest DPS potential in the entire game.

[severe folio]

its highest damage potential come from the malicious fact it prevent everyone else from attacking your prey

[frigid zenith]

I believe it was better than surge becasue you could move really fast, and it took almost no peril to spam it.

[severe folio]

paper wise that sound perfect

[frigid zenith]

Have no idea what it would do now.

[severe folio]

but i have a itching in my mind there’s something terribly wrong about it

oh right

it wouldnt kill anything

at all

[frigid zenith]

It did then, for sure.

It was more about the crazy CC but it did kill things.

[severe folio]

well im sure it would if you purg to finish off your allies kill

like every cc builds

[frigid zenith]

Trauma staff can't hear you.

[severe folio]

either they finish your enemy or you finish theirs

no because trauma staff is foo busy being by it fucking self

[frigid zenith]

lol

[severe folio]

dancing in the rainbow with the enemies while the teammates running around them

[frigid zenith]

purge staff don't give a fuck if the enemies are in the gutter due to trauma.

[quartz barn]

And then you get flamed by the invis zealot/vet for not sticking with the team

[severe folio]

i just like to kill things in a massive cone shaped horde without them flying everywhere

[frigid zenith]

voidstrike killed everything before trauma and purge even got into range though.

surge staff just sat there and cried.

[coarse bane]

If you have to toss the group around 4-5 times, seems counterintuitive.

[zinc tartan]

Can you share your trauma blaze build friend?

[severe folio]

too bad voidstrike don’t actually kill everything before they get into the range of purg

and your teammate pick off the leftover that could really grind your behind

[echo frigate]

Purg+Tramua/voidstrike is a beautiful comp

[frigid zenith]

If you're just getting into trauma blaze I'd used this guys setup. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8sj-V9yVPFs

[echo frigate]

Purg makes sure no one gets close to you

[zinc tartan]

Awesome! Thanks bud!

[warm ledge]

Voidstrike is hot

[frigid zenith]

I think we play different games.

[severe folio]

i think you play a different game

[frigid zenith]

I might.

[severe folio]

im just playing darktide like everyone else

[frigid zenith]

I play the one where I actually get headshots with voidstrike.

becasue, you know, the mobs are standing still.

[severe folio]

and i play the one where the mobs arent standing still

[frigid zenith]

and the ones that died set the other ones on fire.

[warm ledge]

With enough explosions, nobody gets near me

[frigid zenith]

They're standing still for void becasue of the rraannnggeeee.

[severe folio]

it set the other one for like, 1-2 blaze at most lol

which isn’t enough to kill, or to spread anything

[frigid zenith]

different ggaammmeesss

I still love you though stranger.

[severe folio]

its just the same game

well i dont know you so i have no affection for you

[frigid zenith]

gasp

[warm ledge]

I'm still waiting for the game to give me a better emperors reward

[frigid zenith]

lol

[severe folio]

why did you use sprint efficiently

what perk did you change

[frigid zenith]

He can run REALLY far.

[warm ledge]

Cause I wanna be Sonic

[frigid zenith]

That's fucking awesome.

[echo frigate]

At the cost of a lock?

[bleak tulip]

then.. you dont run with your staff out

[severe folio]

please dont tell me you changed carapace damage

[echo frigate]

That's wild

You never run with staff

Run and gun should be removed from the game

[severe folio]

you might bricked that weapon yourself

[frigid zenith]

ppppftttt, never not have your staff out, it has the best melee special attack.

[bleak tulip]

I mean cara is pretty meh if thats what got changed

[warm ledge]

I didn't want to change my sword perk and I didn't really want anything else for the staff

[echo frigate]

Maniac or flak

[bleak tulip]

prob flak

[severe folio]

well it might be something you need

[bleak tulip]

you dont really need maniac

for anything

[severe folio]

especially if you dont know whats better

and pick sprint efficiency

[frigid zenith]

crit cccchhhaannncceeee

[bleak tulip]

crit is okay too if youre running surge

[warm ledge]

I can't change run and gun cause I don't have any other perks offered

[snow coral]

anyone know what mod puts your warp charges/buffs in the middle of the screen like that?

[severe folio]

then you should start collecting perks

[echo frigate]

Oh you are that new

[frigid zenith]

There's a couple UI mods on nexus mods.

[echo frigate]

You know you can sacrifice blessings right?

They give you full access to perks

But blessings is what matters

[warm ledge]

I don't have any blessings to sacrifice

[snow coral]

yeah I've used some, haven't seen that one, I guess I'll go dig

[severe folio]

you could sacrifice that transfer peril

[late yew]

he means that you can choose to change 2 perks

[severe folio]

to gain it

[late yew]

instead of changing blessings

[warm ledge]

Unless I'm supposed to what, buy it upgrade it and sacrifice it?

[bleak tulip]

yes

thats how you get em

[warm ledge]

[severe folio]

thats the process

[warm ledge]

Such a waste of money

[severe folio]

or collect blessing from melk

[bleak tulip]

I mean you can wait forever for a gift

I mean thst literally all money is there for?

[frigid zenith]

Welcome to Darktide.

[severe folio]

welcome to the grind shop

[warm ledge]

That's how I got this one ngl

[snow coral]

money is meaningless in this game

play enough and you'll have more than you need

[severe folio]

its never enough

both playing and money

stop sayinf that

[bleak tulip]

the fastest way to get blessings isnt gift let me tell you

[warm ledge]

Was the first transcendent emperors gift

[tawny jewel]

Just be ready for the constant need for plasteel

[warm ledge]

I just recently got used to being in Heresy

[bleak tulip]

meanwhile I keep fluctuating between 1 mil and 0 ordo

[severe folio]

i see

[late yew]

That's the only use for money

[south spruce]

Meanwhile I went broke buying Psyker drip

[bleak tulip]

yeah but there is only so much you can buy

[south spruce]

It was worth it though

[bleak tulip]

money is really only for brunt

[warm ledge]

I went broke with irl money buying drip

[bleak tulip]

and rerolling melkies

[warm ledge]

And I actually like my drip now

[south spruce]

Yeah there is only so much but I did not want my psyker to look like a peasant

[rotund dagger]

worth nabbing?

[late yew]

the fuck

[bleak tulip]

get it to ear nexus

[late yew]

why you have so little diamantine

[snow coral]

I guess I just got lucky with decent roles and I don't need to spend it all?

[warm ledge]

He's standing on business

[severe folio]

maybe

[rotund dagger]

ear nexus

[bleak tulip]

eat

[severe folio]

should show us your armory

[warm ledge]

I had to keep playing Heresy so I could upgrade my curios

[snow coral]

like sure I could probably get better gear, but what I have is decent, and ROI is diminished trying to get that last ~10% of efficiency

[bleak tulip]

okay but ROI isnt really relevant in a game where you literally are floating big numbers whose only use is gamba for that 10%

[severe folio]

well we want that 10% efficiency

[snow coral]

yeah, but I guess I'm fine? like I don't care to squeak that out

[severe folio]

so being rich isnt a choice

[bleak tulip]

I mean I am fine with 8% personally

[tawny jewel]

I swear sustained fire keeps popping up on like half the void staves I upgrade makes me want to throw somethin out a window.

[snow coral]

I can hang in almost any match and play support well, I'm rarely bottom of the scoreboard so I feel like I'm in a decent place

[strange nova]

so i have a mk iv duelling sword, what perks am i looking for?

[severe folio]

unyielding maniac

[strange nova]

if i could only pick one, which one?

[bleak tulip]

maniac

[severe folio]

maniac

[bleak tulip]

unyielding is uhh

questionable

[severe folio]

yeah

unless you roll a lot into bosses

maniac is more frequent

[bleak tulip]

better to go with cara, crit or arguably even flak though that really depends on how much of a melee psyker you are, youre mostly going for heads and there isnt that many flak heads

the most common shit youll need to stab is muties as psyker

unless youre gunker I guess and you can just crit string them away

[sick veldt]

Unyielding on las pistol goes shockingly hard on gunpsyker

[severe folio]

have you seen volley fire laspistol

[sick veldt]

Yes

But that's a whole different type of guy

[severe folio]

well you said “on psyker”

i think you are comparing it with other guy that isnt psykers

[sick veldt]

I'm not sure what you mean?

You're the one who compared it to vet

[severe folio]

youre the one who compare it on psyker

[sick veldt]

?

[severe folio]

you said it goes shockingly hard on psyker

[sick veldt]

I didn't "compare" anything lol I just said I like unyielding laspistol on gun pskye4

[severe folio]

as if it doesnt go shockingly hard on, any other class that can use it ?

[sick veldt]

Lmao

I was just saying I'd recommend it on a scrier's gaze build over a traditional psyker build that's all

It ain't that deep

[severe folio]

and im just saying its the same result on vet and zealot

thats all

[lofty temple]

How does Enfeeble work?

[severe folio]

aint that deep

[sick veldt]

Ok, cool.

Meant to reply to purgatus but yes thank you for the clarification that the good gun is also good on other classes

[sick veldt]

Like in what way?

Isn't it just that while you're zapping people they take more damage

[lofty temple]

Does it linger after your attack is over at all?

[severe folio]

it doesnt linger

it end after you stop smite

[lofty temple]

enemies still have sparks on them after you stop zapping

[sick veldt]

I think it's primarily for boosting your team's damage, I don't know if it lingers at all

[lofty temple]

like, instantly?

[severe folio]

it only happens when you are smiting

instantly

[fresh reef]

That's just a visual bug unfortunately

[lofty temple]

that's kind of shit

[severe folio]

if you can put soulblaze on them before smiting

[lofty temple]

I think it's on purpose

[severe folio]

soulblaze gets benefit from enfeeble

[lofty temple]

I'm using smite with shield

[severe folio]

then no soulblaze for you

[lofty temple]

Doesn't that make enfeeble pretty useless?

[severe folio]

its main purpose is to aid your teammate

so no, it does what it suppose to do

[lofty temple]

doesn't work with my playstyle

[severe folio]

evaluating it with overextended purpose wont make it seem right

[lofty temple]

I zap a horde then let go to stagger them

[severe folio]

well then its not going to work very well for you unfortunately

[shell radish]

which perk should I swap out?

[severe folio]

and that means you can ignore it for a different place to invest your point

[severe folio]

both

[shell radish]

cant sadly

only onme

[lofty temple]

does it buff smite's own damage at least?

[severe folio]

swap specialist for crit chance

[shell radish]

kk

[severe folio]

whats the description

[shell radish]

is there a specific build I should follow for fire trauma? I've mostly just played void/purg

[lofty temple]

Enemies under smite's effects take 10% more damage

[severe folio]

hmm

you have to test this yourself

i dont know if it buff smite

but maybe the pinned codex have the answer

[severe folio]

shriek fire, warp siphon mostly

[lofty temple]

I'll have to test it I suppose

[shell radish]

why not psionics?

[severe folio]

faster shriek, more damage to the staff

EP dont buff staff damage

[shell radish]

ah kk

[obtuse moth]

if you're rolling for blessings you don't have, replace the first blessing with sustained fire, it guarantees you won't get it on the second. you can change it back later if it turns out ok

[shell radish]

is shriek pretty core to fire trauma? seems like bubble would work with it pretty well

[severe folio]

it adds more fire

[shell radish]

kk

[severe folio]

and youll be edging perik

[obtuse moth]

its pretty core because it lets you get to 12 stacks with the staff instead of 6

6 stacks is application hard cap with staff blazing spirit blessing

after that you depend on shriek and perilous combustion to get higher

but you can play without it if you want

perilous is still pretty strong and 6 stacks will kill poxwalkers

[proven stirrup]

scrier's gaze + Illisi with Exorcist = You don't leave scrier's gaze lmao

[obtuse moth]

im told transfer peril voidstrike is way better than exorcist for that

[severe folio]

it is better

[shell radish]

hows this?

[severe folio]

hitting more enemies

[severe folio]

you can remove kinetic flayer

and wildfire

then get warp rider

and crit chance

above kinetic deflection

[vestal fulcrum]

and the better aura - the CDR one

[severe folio]

true

get the middle aura

[obtuse moth]

also much better to grab 15 toughness node imo than the 2.5% toughness from peril

[shell radish]

kk grabbed the middle aura and dropped warp expenditure to fill out the keystone plus those nodes you mentioned

[severe folio]

warp expendature ?

[shell radish]

2.5% toughness for 10 peril one

[severe folio]

oh

yes that should be fine

[shell radish]

I'd like to be able to drop the 5% toughness for 10 peril quelled but cant sadly

[severe folio]

you will quell very often

[shell radish]

yee guess you're right

[severe folio]

also i hope you know not just manual quell give you toughness

[shell radish]

yee venting does like before the rework

[severe folio]

even peril quell from shriek give you toughness

and battle meditation

[obtuse moth]

tbh i find dropping the automatic quell chance makes it much easier to get up to 80+% peril and stay there for warp nexus

[shell radish]

oh and I'd be able to pick up a toughness node or something if I did that

[lofty temple]

It also makes it easier to explode

[severe folio]

we’ll say its a failsafe investment

[shell radish]

I don't know why you'd drop wildfire on a fire trauma build though

[severe folio]

but then again theres shriek failsafe

[shell radish]

I dont overload like ever lol

yeah

[lofty temple]

You may deactivate Battle Meditation at your own peril...

[severe folio]

because wildfire dont multiply your soulblaze around

[lofty temple]

(Get it?)

[shell radish]

ah

[severe folio]

if you think : an enemy with soulblazes die, other enemies around it gets 4 soulblaze stack

then you are wrong

[shell radish]

thats what I thought lol

[severe folio]

yeah, it doesnt happen like that unfortunately

[obtuse moth]

it does on trauma blaze, because then you're usually more than halfway to your stack cap of 6 already with it

[severe folio]

well i wouldnt call it multiplying

[obtuse moth]

makes burning more consistent and less rng dependent

[severe folio]

i would call that, soulblaze preserving ?

soulblaze interests ?

[strange nova]

so whats the strat with the sword, is it for maulers crushers only?

the duelling sword even

[severe folio]

can be for mutants too

[obtuse moth]

mutants and bosses

[severe folio]

for any sort of armored enemies

[strange nova]

best way to deal with ragers i assume is headpop or smite?

[shell radish]

my mk IV melts everything

[severe folio]

single target heavy hitting thing

can be for rager too

[strange nova]

im terrible at timings for ragers

[obtuse moth]

what ranged weapon?

[shell radish]

with shred you can spam heavy attack special to build up the stacks

for a crit

[severe folio]

headpop might be too slow for rager especially when there are more than 1 of them

[strange nova]

i'm negotiable.

[obtuse moth]

advice depends on weapon

[faint oriole]

im looking for a good gun py build

[severe folio]

smite is just delaying the inevitable

[strange nova]

this is the sword im working with

[severe folio]

scrier gaze, bb or assail, empathic evasion, columnus, disrupt destiny

[shell radish]

I've tried running smite and the double walls for a support psyker and its just inconsistent with pubs

[obtuse moth]

i meant advice for dueling sword use depends on the rest of your kit

you would use DS on crushers with purg, but you wouldnt have to on other staves

[severe folio]

you will mostly use it to kill crushers, ragers, mutant, or to finish off literally anything that is standing alone

like, flamers, gunners, trappers, bombers too

because all of those die in a single hit or two

rsther than burning with your purg

[eager ether]

wait the dueling sword is good vs carapace?

[severe folio]

for ragers you can purg them with lmb

[eager ether]

wouldn't have guessed

[severe folio]

yeah

[obtuse moth]

and it can guarantee stagger on headshot special action

[severe folio]

strangely stab attacks reigns supreme against armors

yeah

[eager ether]

even thought it should be blunt weapons that reign <_<

[obtuse moth]

also please upgrade your last curio

[strange nova]

Ahhhh, thats the part of the loop i didnt have down

[severe folio]

so if you dealing with a single rager you can just stagger them with special melee attack in the hesd

[strange nova]

my apologies XD

[eager ether]

so what is the best way to build a voidstrike staff?

[obtuse moth]

you can inspect the damage of your weapon vs different types with hitting V and then Tab iirc

nexus surge blessings

[proven stirrup]

I don't care about what's "better" all the time, only about what works. That said, I'm only using this because this sword is the best I have and I noticed it just turning me into a blender during hordes

[severe folio]

crit double shot or infinite shooting

[eager ether]

not flurry?

thats surprising

[severe folio]

you can flurry with transfer peril

but nexus surge synergy better

[obtuse moth]

crits do 2x damage, surge does 2x damage on crit, so if you crit with surge you do 4x damage

[eager ether]

hmmmm, so it goes best with a crit build

[obtuse moth]

true aim also helps you guarantee crits so some people drop nexus for flurry or transfer peril

[eager ether]

what about perks?

[proven stirrup]

You don't really run voidstrike on non-crit

Hell you don't do anything noncrit past support builds

[eager ether]

guess I've been running a support build while leveling xD

[proven stirrup]

To be fair, you kind of are lmao

[severe folio]

4-5 stab yes

[proven stirrup]

leveling is just an "any port in a storm" situation. You use what you've got and what works/feels good

[eager ether]

I was mostly knocking out penances so it was a weird BB/Vent/Charge build

then became BB+vent+empowered

[proven stirrup]

Sounds vanilla af but solid

[eager ether]

then once I got the BB penance I went assail vent empowered

and overloaded like 30 times in one mission

[obtuse moth]

meh, dueling sword is amazing but it has like zero cleave

top 3 for pskyers but not top 3 in game

[eager ether]

then FINALLY got to throw on the dome and mess around with smite and dome

[supple skiff]

if it had cleave probably be to good

[eager ether]

I mean smite is for when you want cleave I assumed

[supple skiff]

and the special poke it more useful than the demois charge

[eager ether]

I'm probably never swapping off force swords tbh

being able to always quell is so nice

[supple skiff]

for sure

[eager ether]

I just wish when I went from staff to smite the game saved the staff as my Q

[supple skiff]

I wish the demois had the same double heavy otherwise I wouldnt use the dueling

[eager ether]

its annoying to press my last weapon button and get my melee :l

[strange nova]

i do want to do a scriers build

but im afraid XD

[woeful patio]

Don’t be

[empty gulch]

Hello there ! I'm new to darktide, I love the warhammer universe even though I don't know much of it, my first and last game was dark crusade back when I was like.... 14yo idk
I love this game and the Psyker brain burst playstyle the most but I feel like I'm useless when matched with melee that just rush and ignore me/swarms, is the build not optimal, did I miss something important ? I play with Illisis and fire staff for now, only lvl 22 started yesterday.

[strange nova]

Could I get some help then?

like a build breakdown and weapon advice?

[warm ledge]

Sprint efficiency on a staff

I'm kidding I don't know what I'm doing either

[brittle path]

Guys, if I give a weapon with the blessing of the Mechanicus, where can it be attached to another weapon?

I can't find the ones I took before

[frail pewter]

Only if they share the same name (variants aka Mk doesn't matter)

[tawny jewel]

Thanks for the tip, I didnt know that

[glossy ember]

gun or staff scrier?

[strange nova]

I was thinking staff to begin with, ease myself in. Then gun later when i'm more comfortable with scriers as a whole

[glossy ember]

opposite

gun is easier with scrier, you won't blow up

[untold niche]

mr booden

is your psyker build knowledge very stronK?

[glossy ember]

hi

[brittle path]

If you remove a blessing from one ax, then it won’t fit on another?

[glossy ember]

no i'm a one trick

[frail pewter]

Is this what I want for gun build? Columnus especially

[uneven compass]

Staff with scrier is scary AF to me. Seems like it'll lead to disaster

[untold niche]

so sad, anyone here with strong psyker build knowledge

[strange nova]

if you could teach me your gunscry ways i'd appreciate it

[glossy ember]

i main staff scrier

pins has gun scrier i believe

[frail pewter]

Yeah, they have to share the same "family". For example, Catachan Devil Claw blessings are shared between its variants but not with axe

[glossy ember]

staff scrier isnt recommended

[frail pewter]

And sadly Rashadd Axe and Antax are two different families

[obtuse moth]

you can infinite spam light pokes on deimos fwiw, or use the same cancel tech to infinite spam light poke heavy poke. i roll my hand across lmb/rmb, you just want to rmb to be queued while the game is deciding whether you're doing a light or heavy attack https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/12vjsq5/making_the_most_out_of_the_deimos_light_stab/
for me doing it intentionally the way they mentioned was too slow, i had to focus on rolling quickly across both lmb and rmb in one continuous motion

[strange nova]

the Atheneum?

[glossy ember]

yes

[brittle path]

Now I understand, thank you very much

[glossy ember]

pins has lots of builds

[untold niche]

nah i want to ask stuffs

like what of x better than Y]

[glossy ember]

if its about perks and blessings and weapon rolls and roles and talents

aethenum has it

[bleak tulip]

I think x is better than y

[glossy ember]

Wrong. i wont elaborate

[tawny jewel]

How the heck does staff scrier work, sound like one slip up could you just blow up

[untold niche]

this my build for voidstrike ds4

but someone said crit build can 1 tap crusher, and with the weakspot talent yoru crit is on demand basically

So im wondering why not just use crit build :v

[bleak tulip]

the data shows that x better y though

[glossy ember]

80% quell speed, just dont slip up???

[bleak tulip]

and this post from half a year ago clearly states x is 0.35% more better

[obtuse moth]

staff scrier is fine with transfer peril void or void in general tbh

[glossy ember]

ok but y feels better and is more practical even if x is more dps

[glossy ember]

i run surge staff scrier

[eager ether]

any specific reason you're running warp charge over empowered?

[obtuse moth]

no, you keep safety margins or just intentionally get to 100% after a certain point

[glossy ember]

[strange nova]

battery gunker?

hmmm

[untold niche]

empowered only betters your nade no :v
warp charge increases your overall damage

[strange nova]

yeah atheneum doesnt hav e gun scrier.

[glossy ember]

oh

weird, was certain it did

huh

[untold niche]

athenum got some builds removed

[strange nova]

amazing

[eager ether]

hmmmm, I wonder how much that actually works out

[glossy ember]

any reason you'd want the cdr over crit rate here?

[obtuse moth]

oh you should take true aim on voidstrike

[eager ether]

cause empowered makes BB stupid fast

[wet belfry]

I dont understand why even bother with scrier as voidstrike

[eager ether]

and since you only BB elites/specials you never really lose stacks

[strange nova]

looking at it, it has ZERO, count them, ZERO scrier builds

wow

[obtuse moth]

which is only useful if you actually use bb, on a voidstrike build that is incredibly rare

[eager ether]

compared to warp stacks making you not want to use dome

[strange nova]

thats about as helpful as a chainsaw enema

[eager ether]

then would the better question be why use BB at all?

[untold niche]

yeh that was what i was saying, the crit thingy

How would you change hte buiold?

[obtuse moth]

i mean they have to take a blitz of some sort, idc which they prefer

[eager ether]

I feel in that scenario smite would be better

since voidstrike suffers in close range

smite for close range horde

voidstrike for range/specials

[glossy ember]

iirc gunker scrier is nade of your choice, right side tree crit aura, scrier with finesse, DD, warp rider

[obtuse moth]

you could go a lot of ways but one way is to move the points marked red into yellow

[eager ether]

tbf

I can see scriers for this build since like

you'd never really use it like you would dome

so you'd keep the 24% warp stack increase

but the point sacrifice and the opportunity cost of not having dome seems.... a bit much to justify

[glossy ember]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aacd6d2-22ad-459e-ba16-d7174affb4d2/maybe-gunker something like this maybe

[supple skiff]

you can charge void during a back slide

[glossy ember]

there's a spare point there

[supple skiff]

unreal for when theres a pack of ragers in your face

[compact kayak]

jeesus

[eager ether]

true but unless enemies are in a line it still suffers compared to pyro

[untold niche]

so build suck?

[eager ether]

not exactly

[obtuse moth]

you can spam voidstrike pretty close tbh

[strange nova]

you just made that just now? XD

[eager ether]

its just going left>right>left like that can waste a lot of points

[obtuse moth]

ive used it surrounded even before they made it fast, just had to quell cancel back then

[glossy ember]

on my phone with 3% battery left yes

[strange nova]

based

[eager ether]

granted average I only JUST got my psyker to 30

[glossy ember]

anyway try it and add a point to assail or 50% coherency

[eager ether]

so I'm messing around with stuff myself

[glossy ember]

should be good enough until a gunker answers u

[eager ether]

so heres my question @untold niche why brain blast over smite?

depending on your answer I might be able to optimize and get you a few points

[untold niche]

ig i can take smite but no actual point diff :v
Initially it was purely out of a whim.
Also, i replaced the TDR node in the red circle to take soulstealer

[eager ether]

ok gimme a sec then

[obtuse moth]

theres a lot of people with hundreds of levels in psyker that can also offer advice too

[strong gulch]

This Zazy's laspistol build that uses scrier's. #psyker-class message

[supple skiff]

I use scryer with void

[eager ether]

maybe try something like this?

you don't really get a ton of damage out of perilous combustion

[thorn cedar]

Depends on what difficulty you play

But yes, you really do

[eager ether]

that's true

[strong gulch]

PC doesn't have a cap like other soulblaze options.

[untold niche]

so sorry, thats when you go over 100+ peril threshold?

[thorn cedar]

Crab has a clip somewhere of being dead and still killing fifteen elites off perilous lol

[untold niche]

but when you say that, no talent increase that damage right

[eager ether]

what do you mean by that?

also the reason I consider PC worth sacrificing is if you wait out a full duration of it its only like this much damage on malice

like, yes it does increase if you kill more than a single special/elite

but the damage is still pretty... eh unless you just kill like 15 shotgunners in the middle of a horde

[untold niche]

boss man what is perilous combustrion

[eager ether]

3 stacks of soulblase on elite/special kill on enemies around them

[thorn cedar]

It's a force multiplier and a very strong one.

[untold niche]

oh the soul blaze stack

wait it stacks?

[eager ether]

3 stacks is about 7 damage per tick

[glossy ember]

no finesse node on scrier?

[strong gulch]

Soulblaze from staves (blazing spirit) is 6, max creeping flames is 6. But with PC, you can keep stacking it.

[glossy ember]

i'd drop smite node

[strong gulch]

Can't go past 6 on staves, but you can on PC.

[eager ether]

the goal of that spec was mostly to just never hardly touch scrier

and reap the benefit of max stacks

[strong gulch]

Global max soublaze stacks is 31.

[eager ether]

hence why I skipped the CDR aura and passive

[strong gulch]

idk about blazing spirit on swords

[reef quail]

I have a 380 trauma staff with warp flurry IV. I need to know what should be the other blessing

[glossy ember]

oh fair

[untold niche]

mr potato

mr geo

and mr booden

so what is the consensus ;-;

[glossy ember]

but well scrier is kinda nice

[eager ether]

it just depends on what ability/blitz you prefer mostly

[eager ether]

never messed with it myself

I enjoy the GET OVER HERE bubble

[strong gulch]

The general combos are flurry + rending shcokwave or blazing spirit + warp nexus

[eager ether]

its great for corraling randos

[glossy ember]

the consensus is i have no more battery in my phone

[untold niche]

nade i don't really care i guess
voidstrike plows through horde anyway right.
I just want to 1vX crushers/ragers and 1 tap them with staff :p

[glossy ember]

10% base damage so it's like you start with 2.5 warp stacks + 20% base crit rate. Add the finesse gain and you're pumping on guns

[eager ether]

so about 70 damage per tick?

[glossy ember]

warp stacks come back fast

[woeful patio]

Nexus

[eager ether]

idk, I just have a hard time seeing how perilous combustion can actually add up that much over a mission

[glossy ember]

or melee

idk bout void finesse bonus tho

[strong gulch]

Can't remember off the top of my head what the tiks are.

[eager ether]

3 stacks show as 7 damage in the grinder

[untold niche]

iirc soulblaze damage scaling is weird

certain thresholds its linear, certain its log certain its exponential iirc

says that in the atheneumdwa89chwad

[reef quail]

I have a rending shockwave IV and warp nexus III. Is it still worth going for nexus over rending shockwave?

[glossy ember]

it's like 5~10% of my total damage on its own usually

[eager ether]

not that I'm doubting you but how do you track that?

[glossy ember]

oven proof scoreboard

[untold niche]

ovenproof lets you track soulblaze damage?

[shell radish]

man trauma is kind of clunky

[glossy ember]

its my only source of warpfire damage

[eager ether]

didn't know that the damage scaled on different enemies types

[glossy ember]

yes

[strong gulch]

If you arn't killing a lot of elites, PC loses value. It's basically free damage that can soften up enemies.

[eager ether]

how much overkill damage do you have usually?

[south spruce]

HISTG Damnation
everyone died
then mutie throws me into OOB

[eager ether]

yeah, but since a lot of people build for breakpoints its a debate on how valuable softening them up is

[untold niche]

but with voidstrike would it even help with thresholds? :v

[glossy ember]

idr if ovenproof shows overkill

[eager ether]

or if they're ven alive long enough to BE softened

[glossy ember]

dont think it does

[strong gulch]

Yeah. Different armor type. Soulblaze is terrible against carapace. It can be fiddled a bit with uncanny strikes from melee.

[eager ether]

I know the scoreboard I'm using shows damage and overkill damage

honestly the biggest qusetion for PC is

[untold niche]

why essence harvest over inner tranq

[eager ether]

"Are the enemies around your target alive longer than .5 seconds"

[woeful patio]

Definitely Nexus

You can reliably crit at around 80% peril

And that which you don’t kill is staggered or knocked down

[eager ether]

that was my autopiloting ngl

its a debate on if you want to never lose stacks or want reduced peril gen

or wait no misread

yeah I'd likely go inner tranquility as well

granted, with essnece+quietude+warp expenditure

you're litterally ALWAYS regening toughness

bonus points if you throw metal in there

mettle*

[untold niche]

whats essence

[eager ether]

essence harvest

regen 30% toughness over 5s on gaining a warp charge

[untold niche]

im "slow but word start with r" forgive me

[eager ether]

so roughly 6% a second

[tender pagoda]

Any surge enjoyers?
What to do with this? WF3 to WF4?

[strong gulch]

Perilous combustion shenanigans.
#psyker-class message

#psyker-class message

When PC was 4 stacks instead of 3. #psyker-class message

[untold niche]

@eager ether can i drop perfaect timing

if my voidstrike crits its going to 1 shot the crusher anyway right :v

does it even helo with thresholds even if its non crit shots

[eager ether]

its more for the non-crit shots

crits are what build it up

[untold niche]

even for non crit, will it even help with thresholds :v?

[eager ether]

so at max stacks you'd have +15% warp damage

I have NO idea on that 😄

thresholds are painful mathy math

especially when you're dealing with stacking damage modifiers that may or may not be additive vs multiplicative

[untold niche]

@glossy ember mr booden how important is warp speed

[eager ether]

which one is warp speed again

[untold niche]

+20% movement speedi n scrier

[eager ether]

oh the scrier

minimal I'd say

[glossy ember]

crucial to me, it's especially good for its utility (doing objectives or reaching someone downed or kiting)

but

not worth sacrificing survivability or dps

[untold niche]

then how u find my new build, based off geo's

[glossy ember]

I would get Mettle in top tree

instead of uh

[untold niche]

no soul stealer tho sad

[glossy ember]

the right node u took

mettle is 5% every crit

for toughness

scrier makes u crit a lot

[glossy ember]

and potentially

yes

[eager ether]

honestly if you put a point into scrier

[glossy ember]

potenially replace warp speed for perfecttiming (next node after mettle)

[eager ether]

I would consider anchor over precog?

[glossy ember]

and thats as high dmg as u can get

[eager ether]

if you're using a staff I feel that peril generation reduction would potentially be better?

[glossy ember]

but thats ur choice

[untold niche]

i was asking geo, will pefect tim even help with non crit thresholds

[glossy ember]

mobility can be uber useful too

pt lets me reach breakpoints without ws faster

[echo frigate]

Solidity helps you pull off more scriers shenanigans

[untold niche]

what is ws

[glossy ember]

out of battery

warp siphon

[eager ether]

warp stacks

oh warp siphon?

[glossy ember]

ye

same shit

[eager ether]

theres too many WS terms :l

[glossy ember]

warp stacks is warp siphon stacks

[eager ether]

ah gotcha

honestly

[untold niche]

which one is solidity

[eager ether]

if you're considering warp speed for scrier

why not just take Mettle instead

[echo frigate]

You get that if you go for warp siphon

[eager ether]

then you can get faster movement outside or inside of scrier

[echo frigate]

Which you have

[untold niche]

yeah booden told me to take that

[echo frigate]

@untold niche

[untold niche]

liike wat

[eager ether]

xbox which do you think is btter for scrier

precog or reality anchor

like I know solid makes quell basically instead

but its still a flow breaker and dps reduction

[echo frigate]

If you use anything at all that uses peril

[glossy ember]

void has quelling strikes blessing

compensates

and it can hit weakpints

[untold niche]

like whta kind of shenanigans :v
like quell tech?

[eager ether]

let me run back to hadron

can't recall all blessing 😄

[eager ether]

ah I see

remove 6-8% on weakspot hit

[untold niche]

why bible say this
cant you still do the quelling slide tech while using staff

[thorn cedar]

It specifies that because you can pop Scriers and just quell and move around to keep the stacks building up

[eager ether]

I'm... SO confused watching that 2nd clip

like I'm WATCHING their health bars

but they just go from basically full to basically dead

[untold niche]

dumb question:
while using scrier you can use staff right :v

pls no angery

[thorn cedar]

yea you can

i dont really recommend it other than with surge and void

[eager ether]

the reason people say you 'can't/shouldn't' is because of the passive peril generation

wait

[untold niche]

basically you need to quell moe ofthen then you can slide sometime?

[thorn cedar]

The longer Scriers goes on for the smaller the window you have to use your spells before hitting 100% and ending Scriers. Or exploding yourself.

[eager ether]

does... does gaze just never end if you don't reach 100%?

[thorn cedar]

Correct.

But it caps at 30 stacks.

[eager ether]

still though

assuming you're on top of quelling

[thorn cedar]

It's honestly not worth the effort. At least in my experience.

[eager ether]

how fast does it generate

[thorn cedar]

Exponentially faster.

[untold niche]

like bb charge fast?

[eager ether]

I will say if I'm running BB

I much prefer empowered psionics over warp stacks

[thorn cedar]

No like 0-100 in less than a second after a while

[untold niche]

:o :v

[thorn cedar]

Much better results running the Finesse Stacks ability modifier and headshotting in melee or with a gun

[untold niche]

im thinking to myself why not just play vet and one tap crushers with vovo and ult anyway :v

[eager ether]

ok yeah you eventually physically can't quell fast enough

[thorn cedar]

If you have uhhhh i forget the name

The quell faster node, bottom left

[dreamy storm]

hab dreyko fall rate getting higher nowadays

...

[thorn cedar]

You can always outrace it with a staff

But the issue is you'll only get a single cast off

[eager ether]

wait really?

[untold niche]

single cast off then you need to quell or what u mean

[thorn cedar]

But you'll at least have 30 stacks

[eager ether]

was quelling with this and it still was going up

granted I wasn't killing anything

[thorn cedar]

The problem is you have now spent a load of time walking around quelling instead of dealing damage lol

[untold niche]

single cast off and even if you kill stuffs you need to quell?

[untold niche]

so what the best way to play :v

[thorn cedar]

If you're at 30 stacks of Scriers from just holding Quell, the moment you stop Quelling it's going to rocket right up to 100.

[eager ether]

ok I've gotta start driving to family thanksgiving

y'all have a good one, peace out

[thorn cedar]

Meanwhile if you have a melee weapon and are just chopping through a horde, you're doing damage, benefitting from the growing stacks and the 10% base damage and 20% crit chance that activating Scriers gives, and don't have to worry about maybe exploding.

[untold niche]

^

[untold niche]

I guess you mean with staff, even if i shoot staff while stack is growing, i still have to quell, which is some downtime

[thorn cedar]

Correct.

You're way more flexible than Veteran is the other answer.

[untold niche]

in what sense

[thorn cedar]

I don't want to shamelessly plug myself too hard but I have some Twitch vods doing Gunker

Veteran with Ex stance had to keep their gun out

You don't

[wet belfry]

Why fs decided to create such a troll i do not know

[thorn cedar]

You just have a flat persistent damage bonus

[strong gulch]

PC stacks add up when elites are in thick groups and you're the only killing them. 6 stacks of soublaze is enough is kill trash mobs. You kill a couple of elites in a horde, and you can kill everything in a 4m radius.

But there also likely creeping flames also being used.

[untold niche]

keep their gun out, but if they keep it, they cant bring it out again with the buffs and ehwatever?

[glossy ember]

because you spend a ton of time quelling with staff scrier

[thorn cedar]

Ye

https://clips.twitch.tv/AmericanProudPartridgeThisIsSparta-CSK-_fd4soOqZy6X

[digital narwhal]

Because Raking Fire.

[wet belfry]

Ya but no one is using it for that

[digital narwhal]

Akchually-

[thorn cedar]

So Vet only keeps their buffs with the gun out and its only a buff for their gun.

[digital narwhal]

I've seen a few players pull it off extremely well.

[untold niche]

whats the cond for buff to be active again? i heard vet have very low CDs

[thorn cedar]

Meanwhile your buffs are global damage buffs and you can zip in and out of melee and ranged.

35s for Vet. Or 25? They changed it recently.

[wet belfry]

Most vets use it to just deflect aggro to other players

[frail pewter]

They just want to avoid injuries at work
Safety first and all that

Can you blame them

[glossy ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxPGYtWQ77U&lc=UgwRSB9WKLwoyS0L-At4AaABAg some scrier staff gameplay, you can see how much I quell during the few scrier clips

[untold niche]

but whats the use of having melee getting boosted, arent you mostly using void staff to clear horde anyway

[sonic coral]

vets are literal cripples atm

[wet belfry]

Ya im probably going to start blaming them for a couple of games

[thorn cedar]

no voidstaff for me

[bleak tulip]

if the vet is so bad that they take that talent only to not get run at I dont want em run at because they might just fall over

[thorn cedar]

Laspistol and a Deimos

[wet belfry]

They dont just go out of their way to say their bad. They actively do things to make teammates lifes harder.

[bleak tulip]

also on basically any build I play I'd rather have enemies run at me

than the vet

[untold niche]

thats about thea smae if not just slightly less downtime compared to manually reloading volver after every shot
not that bad :v

[glossy ember]

yes except you have more movespeed when reloading than when quelling, yes?

[bleak tulip]

like not running ammo aura

[glossy ember]

i respect any vet not running ammo aura

[kindred delta]

should I use the damage on vent shriek or the soulflame proc if I wanna deal with hordes of enemies or deal with singular enemies

[glossy ember]

i think theyre based

[frail pewter]

If you want the damn ammo then play vet

I'm not your ammo bot

[glossy ember]

also poor guys barely have points

let them run whatever so they canplay fun builds

[thorn cedar]

yea fuck ammo aura

[untold niche]

wait i want to ask
so if im doing my build
Compared to vet,
i gain kiting, but i have in a sense more downtime + more stuff to manage?

[bleak tulip]

alright I guess imma steal your ammo then because I found it and if you dont run ammo aura I probably need it about as much as the vet

[glossy ember]

i mean vet won't blow up unless they use plasma gun

[sonic coral]

vets are literally underprivileged destitute jobbers whose best builds basically give them disabilities

[frail pewter]

Depending on the builds vet also have a decent amount of stuff to manage

No really

[bleak tulip]

you press f and shoot things

[frail pewter]

Vet has a lot of times buffs

[bleak tulip]

not a ton really

and no I dont mean exe

[untold niche]

YUeah thats what i meant by "stuff to manage"

Qn:
with scrier, you hit 100 and then it ends anyway right
then you jsut not shoot and quell immediately

[bleak tulip]

running exe is nigh sabotage too with how much better shout it

[sonic coral]

do you prefer eight stacks of this shit that do this when you tag or 10 stacks of this shit that vanish or might not or 10 stacks for ranged and 1 stack for melee

don't forget to make headshots to reup your DR and toughness while you're juggling this shit and trying not to get destroyed by poxwalkers

[frail pewter]

there's also nade timing so you maximize your redirect fire damage

[thorn cedar]

Y'all pretty sad if you're getting hit by poxwalkers

[sonic coral]

It's just to illustrate a point

[frail pewter]

like there are small little things that vets can do to elevate their gameplay

[thorn cedar]

It's not a very good point.

[frail pewter]

they don't have to

[untold niche]

those silent one due to audio bug that jumo thru horde :(

[frail pewter]

but if they can they do a lot better, same for psykers

the skill ceiling is high for both

[sonic coral]

"Vets have just as much if not more to keep track of and juggle during gameplay as other classes" is a pretty solid point

[frail pewter]

^

[thorn cedar]

But they don't really. Most of what they get is pretty intuitive to what you were already or should already be doing.

[sonic coral]

[frail pewter]

And as much as it is a meme, timing Confirmed Kills so you can extend or retreat is also a thing

[sonic coral]

ok

[frail pewter]

so are Psyker stuff?

[bleak tulip]

I really am not that much of a vet player but its honestly pretty simple I find

[untold niche]

Qn:
with scrier, you hit 100 and then it ends anyway right
then you jsut not shoot and quell immediately

[frail pewter]

you can trivialize everything

[thorn cedar]

There's a handful of occasions where I might want to be cognizant of capping out my tag stacks before using it again, and some occasions where I want to shoot something and go back to melee.

[frail pewter]

or you can acknowledge that there are different stuff to keep track of for different class

[untold niche]

except for ogryn, as an former ogryn main

[bleak tulip]

yeah, you dont really have to quell immediately unless you wanna do something that needs peril

[thorn cedar]

Ye which is why I Gunker

[untold niche]

thanks alot boss\

[sonic coral]

Psyker has basically one to three things to pay attention to depending on build that have built in indicators and in some cases safeties to make it easy to track what's happening at any given moment, particularly via visual and audio identifiers

[supple skiff]

sometime sstarting a quell as soon as you hit 100 wont stop scryers

[frail pewter]

yeah... i have nothing for ogryn except Cooldown and ammo

[supple skiff]

which can be a double edged sword

couple times I though scryers ended and I poped as a result lol

[sonic coral]

And some stacks are also either locked to certain progressions like peril, which is both easy to spot check as well as tweak high or low, which means you don't have to separately track them

Or you just gain them and they stick for a set time period

[untold niche]

i use GG so i dont even need to watch ammo
cooldowns too, since ogryn ults are mainly for oh fuck momments
As with his nades (which is prob the only thing i check, sometimes)

[frail pewter]

I think ceiling for Ogryn is just how well you move around in that clunky model

[sonic coral]

yea nades are a solid touchstone for ogryn as far as eyeballing before/during encounters

[untold niche]

its not clunky at all what do u mean :v

[frail pewter]

he's slow

and big

[eager mantle]

I like to play on the line sometimes throwing 2 assail during scriers, quell, throw 2, quell repeat

[thorn cedar]

That's brave. I only throw one at a time lol

[untold niche]

its not like you have to manually dodge (as in wasd dodge, not the actual dodge mechanic) anything : v

[supple skiff]

I run it for that 20% crit increase for my surge void staff

[sonic coral]

playing ogryn is sort of relaxing, I play ogryn when I get frustrated with other classes - either due to a bad streak of pubs, or getting burnt out on weapons/abilities, etc.

makes me slow down a little and feel like a rock in a river

[eager mantle]

Oh it turns to 1 when that peril ramps up to almost instant lol

[sonic coral]

playing ogryn after knife zealot with chastise especially is like whiplash

not that I would ever play a knife zealot! ew!

[untold niche]

he only feels clunky (which wont affect anything tbh) when you run.
But i don't have stamina to run anway
@frail pewter

[thorn cedar]

Assail is still ridiculous.

[sonic coral]

👀

[glossy ember]

now do that while high on panic

[frail pewter]

thoughts on using auto brain burst for guns?

[thorn cedar]

Its ok

[frail pewter]

basically you shoot and hope the BB procs

for carapace and bosses

[thorn cedar]

Depends whereelse that point could go

[sonic coral]

I'm bummed at the recharge rate nerf. Not because it's ruined the ability or whatever, but I wish it generated more peril because I was using it on a mk4 duel / laspistol + shriek build to crank peril up when I needed it

I run out of knives before I'm done cranking peril now with that build, frequently

[thorn cedar]

Do you have perils resistance

[untold niche]

ok you have point.
I entirely accept that.

Though i just want to say, this is pretty much DT's mechanical skill cap
maybe barring some solo 1vX takdowns agaisnt ragers or crushers with certain weapons (which isnt that hard after you see how someone does it)

[sonic coral]

nah

[thorn cedar]

For me its a pretty clean 10 throws for 100% peril

[eager mantle]

Rmb can generate the peril but the speed to throw them for the return is still ass. Only plus is the distance and focusing a target like a gunner or sniper across the field

[idle bay]

Melk again..... you old worm!

[untold niche]

which is why imo DT not a mechnically hard game, more than half of DT is just your build.
Which is why i minsanely thankful for whoever help make builds

[sonic coral]

The issue crops up during hordes, where peril ebbs after it flows and I need to re-up it after killing with non-warp weapons. Passive quell kills peril faster than assail can regen knives to keep it up

[thorn cedar]

Ah ye

This is why I Scry (:

[eager mantle]

Hardest part is your team coordination and whether the director wants to do a lil trolling

[glossy ember]

in theory managing scrier isn't bad just stop generating peril when you're at 80% easy

[thorn cedar]

I press F and I start loading up free damage and TDR

[sonic coral]

YEA rmb feels like wet noodle, but at least peril is high relative to lmb

[glossy ember]

in practice there may come a situation where you have several elites next to you and your nearby ogryn is pinned by a dog so you try to help him out by shooting his way but you blow up instead

[untold niche]

i mean, again.
If you play any sort of competitive game im sure you will have had alot of "learnings" for
being able to do simple thing even while panicked or make simple decision even while panicked - type drills.

[sonic coral]

Scrier is incredible with laspistol and mk 4, I also take the bottom right tree for finesse damage boosts

[thorn cedar]

That's me.

Except Deimos

[sonic coral]

assail is less of a lever for that build thanks to having scrier around, but still nice for taking out highlighted guys and keeping stacks up

[glossy ember]

i used to play competitive games

my panic still sucks

[thorn cedar]

Ya DD is awesome.

[glossy ember]

[thorn cedar]

Assail is bonkers.

[untold niche]

is that why, used to :3

[thorn cedar]

It feeds off fucking everything.

[glossy ember]

tournaments aren't good for my health

or my mental

i'd rather pve

[sonic coral]

I'm still not sure how I feel about assail. I use it like more of a peril management tool than a weapon in... basically any build I have it on

[untold niche]

idk i feel panick drills are one of the easiest

[sonic coral]

As a weapon it feels like shit

[thorn cedar]

Benefits from: Warp Damage, Global Damage, Weakspot, Finesse, Crit Chance, Crit Damage

[eager mantle]

Assail is still nice and does its job. LMB is fine. I just whinge when it takes 2-3 RMB to kill something small like a sniper or bomber. Also wish it would do something, anything on RMB. Like idk like brittleness on a target on aimed hit.

[thorn cedar]

Also benefits from your weapons blessings

[glossy ember]

im not built for this

[sonic coral]

Honestly my favorite thing about assail from a weapon perspective is the temporary stun

[thorn cedar]

Take out your laspistol that has ghost after throwing your shards. Free intangiblility.

[glossy ember]

or rather i'm not built to face other players

[sonic coral]

you can throw a buffer of darts into a crowd before diving in to give yourself a window

Even if they're not dead, it's fine

[thorn cedar]

What an insane Blitz.

I love it. I hate it.

[sonic coral]

Yea ha, it's a weird one

[thorn cedar]

I hate that I love it.

[untold niche]

for all type of games,
hardest would be mental stack stuffs

other than that.
for FPS probably tactics (Keep in mind stuff / awareness is a big impact but its not "hard")
FGs would of course be your execution

[thorn cedar]

It's inarguably fucking FUN

[sonic coral]

tru

[glossy ember]

i played fgs

[sonic coral]

I wish smite was better/more useful/even a little fun

[untold niche]

itsm ianly acceptanceo failure + practice

[thorn cedar]

I still super love BB

I think people don't precharge enough

[sonic coral]

BB is goat, only reason I try not to take it is just for experimentation

[thorn cedar]

Sprint slide while channeling

[sonic coral]

BB I DO absolutely consider a weapon

[thorn cedar]

It has its own headaches but I find it much more reliable

[sonic coral]

It's incredible

[eager mantle]

Your execution is important in FGs but more so decision making. Do the most basic bnb with the right decisions will carry far

[thorn cedar]

Plus whatever fruit they crushed for the BB sound.

Perfect.

[sonic coral]

ha yea, the foley guys went wild for it

[untold niche]

stopped tekken because i ddi not want to memorize every character's "unique" strings AND the correct response

Stopped GG strive because i could do do some stuff on potemkin (charge on knockdown, do that boost move, cancel and oki in time) and also potemkin execution can have very high highs and very low lows

[untold niche]

yeah decision making is under "mental stack stuffs"

[sonic coral]

Wildfire + BB + BB cooldown after ult, and especially with EP, is just mad

hi shock dam, the screen is blue. Need more? add vent

bring melee with uncanny

???

profit

[eager mantle]

I would love BB more if it did actually have some type of AoE element or some type to change to how it's charged. It's great when I see a sniper/bomber on some maps across the field and I can just immediately kill them. All other situations, I'd rather have smite or assail

[thorn cedar]

If they brought back Wildfire for BR, that'd be neat.

[sonic coral]

It would be interesting to see a subnode that gave it something like that. Although, wildfire effectively is an aoe element assuming you kill them anyway

[thorn cedar]

But Perilous Combustion is already suuuuper stronk and there's a lot of overlap there.