psyker-class

[plush jacinth]

probs better off rerollin

[glass forge]

how do psykers kill bosses faster? i always melee them, but then boss targets me then i got to block

[unkempt quest]

hey a friend said the bubble can block shots even when you and the attacker are both in the bubble, is that true ?

[hollow jolt]

Surge just needs a +125% damage buff UwU

That'll fix it

[hollow jolt]

Gunpsyker or suffer

Purg psyker has been surprisingly reliable

Idk if that's just me using brittlness builds with my psyker friend though

[silk hawk]

Actually even +25% can let it reach vital breakpoints 🙂

[hollow jolt]

Yeah but +125% damage will definitely hit it

[plucky flax]

Yes

[silk hawk]

Bb with ep works pretty well thou

Its not ogryn level of strong, but still strong

[glass forge]

what does Bb and EP mean please?

[unkempt quest]

that's interesting I had no idea

[silk hawk]

Brain burst, empowered psynetics

[glossy ember]

it's possible it just takes a shit ton of RNG for the final tick to hit its max value

[neat sand]

I'm cheap I'd take my blood explosion back I love pain laughter and blood dripping from the roof,my head and down the stairs :p

[glossy ember]

unironically wondering if elite damage would help

[hollow jolt]

Sorry best I can do is aiming for arms again UwU

[plush jacinth]

dont suppose charge speed is a deal breaker?

[plucky flax]

Rip charge speed

[brave fiber]

Warp flurry might make it usable

[silk hawk]

Grab nexus

[glossy ember]

also surge with 50% quell speed is horrible woah

[silk hawk]

It's fine with +30

[plucky flax]

But quell is the dump stat

[glossy ember]

you mean the talent?

ok let's experiment

[silk hawk]

Ideally u want around 60+ quel and 60+ resist

[plush jacinth]

also fuck the armoury it never sells staves

[silk hawk]

That is actually a very decent staff :)))

[plush jacinth]

where do yall get ur staves mostly?

[smoky turtle]

brunts

[plush jacinth]

roll brunts?

[silk hawk]

In brunts

[glossy ember]

+10% elite damage makes it a bit more consistant to one shot shotgunners

but still rng

[silk hawk]

Do u run ws?

[glossy ember]

feels awfully slower than my 80 quell speed version tbh

That's with 6 ws 5 pt

[silk hawk]

Try to not ani cancel...

[glossy ember]

i mean in that case yeah the extra tick would, but that's lost time 😦

[plush jacinth]

what should trauma staff dump stat be? feels like i need all of it

[silk hawk]

Quel speed

[glossy ember]

and while not ani cancelling helps with shotgunners

it doesn'thelp with maulers

sadly

[silk hawk]

Idk i am fine, that fact that it has chain dmg is good too

[glossy ember]

No ani cancel.

lol

so remains rng

doesn't even help with shotgunners

[neat sand]

i could not get a 550 but this one is the one i kept i do like it

[glossy ember]

928 damage, again no ani cancel

looks like ani cancel still better

lemme try with the elite staff

[sacred crane]

what blessings should i use with deimos, i already got deflector on it

[neat sand]

uncanny strike

[silk hawk]

I has flak and elite dmg on my

[glossy ember]

ok with the elite 10% staff, no ani cancel always kills

[silk hawk]

In 80% of cases it shots sgs

[neat sand]

your warp charge effect will mean your next set of attacks negate 96% of the targets armor

[glossy ember]

ok let's try with scrier now and no warp charges

are you for real

[bleak tulip]

I uninstalled it just now and it def makes a difference

not a masive one but its noticable

I do still get endless loading screens pretty often :c

[plush jacinth]

these are good right? if so im ready for hadron to fuck em up

[bleak tulip]

right ones the one you really gotta cry for

that ones very nice

[plush jacinth]

ive developed the 'precry' strat. where i get the 7 stages of grief out the way so hadron doesnt have me executed or sumn for being weak

[neat sand]

that right one is nice

[plush jacinth]

i want both a fire trauma and a rend one

preferably

so hopefully the two become both

[bleak tulip]

I wish I had that optimism

[plush jacinth]

is it joever?

i think so

[bleak tulip]

[analog agate]

Oof

[bleak tulip]

bigly oof

[brave fiber]

I’m keeping my surge nexus trauma in hopes that fatshark one day makes it usable

[bleak tulip]

uhh

you can

change both blessings I guess

[plush jacinth]

gonna have to. but should it be a fire trauma or rend u think?

my guess is fire cus no flak

[bleak tulip]

I think the flak would apply to the fire too

so it kinda doesnt matter?

[plush jacinth]

righto, cheers

[bleak tulip]

not sure sure about that

[plush jacinth]

so useable ™️

[bleak tulip]

well you got maniac 4

thats uhh

something

[amber nest]

Run n Gun to Nexus and Unyielding to Crit?

[plush jacinth]

hadron moment. makes me want to say heretical things

#psyker-class message
reckon the left staff worth the investment?

[bleak tulip]

its oke I guess

[brave fiber]

If you’re dry on mats eh

If you got a bunch I’d say go for it

[plush jacinth]

im being tested by her

i feel the gamblers mentality, thank you hadron

[plucky flax]

Anyway my opinion is blaze trauma so much stronger than rending shockwave.

[brave fiber]

fun fact, 90% of gamblers quit before hitting it big

[amber nest]

I mean, if you keep gambling you will eventually win

[brave fiber]

bigly true

[amber nest]

Just keep doubling your bet

[plush jacinth]

im just gonna yoink blazing spirit and wait for the big 10x jackpot win roll

https://tenor.com/view/jago33-slot-machine-slot-online-casino-medan-gif-25082594

[analog agate]

I feel our local ogryn main who posts here is the main one who disagrees with you.

I think blaze is much better

[amber nest]

I think it depends on how decent your team is

[plucky flax]

It does way more damage for sure. The breakpoint thing is a meme cos you'll 1 or 2 shots most things anyway. So brittleness doesn't matter.

[glossy ember]

starting to get why my scrier build felt awful yday

i definitely need unarmoured

[bleak tulip]

gamba

[plucky flax]

Just wait till next fix.

[glossy ember]

nah

i wanna play

[brave fiber]

I’m still trying to figure out whether I like crit chance or maniac on purgatus more

[plucky flax]

I am forced to play voidstrike.

[glossy ember]

imma just do a shield build run and get some plasteel

[plucky flax]

I don't like it.

[glossy ember]

and slap unarmoured on

aren't you a trauma main

[plucky flax]

Yeah but trauma makes it too easy.

[bleak tulip]

excuse me

[plucky flax]

And I'm trying to get trauma buffed.

So I don't want to show my trauma in public.

[glossy ember]

traumadumping

[bleak tulip]

put your trauma away sir

[plucky flax]

I'm playing 5d chest.

[brave fiber]

you’re not helping your case by telling everyone how op it is lol

[plucky flax]

Interstellar checkers.

[plucky flax]

It's actually so bad. Nerf void more and buff trauma!!!!

[brave fiber]

Truuueeee

[glossy ember]

play bubble for once
triple psyker team

two bubbles i guess

[silver portal]

no

buff gun psyker

[brave fiber]

bubble is op tho fr

[bleak tulip]

you do know you can change right

[plucky flax]

Gun psyker in a good place with columbus and revolver.

[bleak tulip]

yeah add more crit strings

make em longer

[silver portal]

yes but give us more shotgun

we have no shotgun

[plush jacinth]

yall reckon pykers benefit a lot from at least one stam curio like the Atheneum says?

[bleak tulip]

no

[brave fiber]

I feel like gunker should be viable with more than two weapons that are already powerful by themselves

[plucky flax]

I don't run stam curio.

Hp or toughness is more valuable to me.

[bleak tulip]

maybe if you wanna knife and zoom like your life depends on it take stam but other than that you dont need it

[clear heath]

stam curio feels so overkill

[bleak tulip]

you can infinitely kite a DH with a fuckin duel sword if you have kin deflect

[plucky flax]

You can try it and see how it feels but don't take any guide as gospel.

[silk hawk]

where is the other 10%

[silver portal]

in the warp

[clear heath]

if i can deal with base stamina on other classes, i can deal with psyker having base stamina + 4x base stamina as peril with kinetic deflection

[summer prairie]

sure but in practice you are sitting at near max peril

[clear heath]

ok true

[plucky flax]

I do like toughness regen though and zealot chat hates it.

[silk hawk]

the only thing that u need to kite a daemon is a pair of boxes xD

[plucky flax]

I run triple toughness regen on my zealot and got flamed.

[bleak tulip]

okay but in practice you dont usually block more than like one or two hits, also you might wanna shout at a downed person anyway before reviving them

[brave fiber]

I sometimes consider taking a stamina curio, then I realize that I can just take that one skill for infinite block stamina as long as I can gain peril

[silk hawk]

screw them, i run it too and i am better then 80% of zealots

🙂

[plucky flax]

Teach me da wey

[clear heath]

I think it's fine. Lets you go back in quicker if something happens

i don't personally run it anymore though

[plucky flax]

My zealot has more level than my psyker

[silk hawk]

its a very hard wey....

100 push up, 100 squats, 10 km running EACH FUKING DAY

xD

[plucky flax]

I can do it but not 100 push ups or squats in a row.

Have to spread those out through the day. D:

[clear heath]

the only reason i don't just run toughness regen on everything is that i just want stats that matter more while clutching

[plucky flax]

Hope I won't go bald.

[clear heath]

otherwise,i think it's a very good curio stat

[silk hawk]

thats not a guarantee

xD

[plucky flax]

It helps zealot clutches cos I run loner aura.

So it helps me regen faster.

[fresh reef]

just got out of a standard damnation match where nobody knew how to dodge

like, if a mutant spawned it's guaranteed to hit somebody

we made it to the end event and the zealot and vet ragequit when I could've easily rescued them, but our Ogryn's damage and kills were comparable to theirs

[plucky flax]

So many specials in regular damn?

[young meteor]

I'm pondering if I should make this trauma staff a fire one or a flurry/rending one since it got rending 4 🤔
Anyone mind helping?

[fresh reef]

apparently

[carmine kiln]

what's better, deimos or obscurus force sword?

[young meteor]

Deimos, 100%

[fresh reef]

Deimos

[carmine kiln]

❤️

why tho?

seems to do less special dmg

[fresh reef]

yeah but it's H2 damage is ridiculously high

[carmine kiln]

kk ty

[dark stag]

what would you guys say is better: Dome or wall?

[carmine kiln]

dome

[thorn cedar]

Wall gang all day

[idle bay]

Depends on your habbits really. One can do miracles with just mere Wall other do great with Domes

[late yew]

fuckn weirdos

[brave fiber]

Dome because pub players don’t know how to position

[idle bay]

Dome helps in 50% casesd with clueless pub noobs

[summer prairie]

the wall doesn't have any meaningful advantages, even the special stun is questionable as it also just makes it expire sooner

[azure bridge]

what do yall think?

[bright ether]

Literally seems to be the case with every match I've gotten into the last two days. That and level 30s running below 20s instead of just doing private lobbies man wtf is going on

Running past med stations with less than a quarter left. Holding onto ammo packs for 10 minutes while screaming "I NEED AMMO"

[brave fiber]

fish for t4 nexus on another void staff and I couldn’t think of a better staff than that

[azure bridge]

I shall do that

[brave fiber]

Carapace would be preferable to unyielding but unyielding is still good

[azure bridge]

got it from brunt, did a double take when i saw the stats

then got flurry on upgrade

[late yew]

this

[glass forge]

what blessing would make psyker kill bosses/assassination target easier?

[brave fiber]

depends on the staff, psyker doesn’t really do boss damage

[azure bridge]

I feel voidstrike handles them best

Cause of stunlock

[brave fiber]

My go to’s is emp bb, or dueling 4 for boss damage

Rending on trauma is super good for debuffing

[glass forge]

Do you mean you can stunlock bosses with voidstrike?

[glass forge]

around how much more damage does Rending buff your team's damage please?

[brave fiber]

Rank 4 max charge strips 40% armor (correct me if I’m wrong someone else)

[brave fiber]

actually I was wrong it’s more damage taken

Rending is armor strip

Brittle is more dmg

[azure bridge]

At least plague ogryn not sure on others

[brave fiber]

And rending shockwave gives brittleness

As weird as that is

[late yew]

none

specifically against captain both deimos and DS good though

[rustic sand]

Scrier's Gaze + Disrupt Destiny and heavy attack with mk iv dueling sword on weakspots is my go-to.

[bleak tulip]

that doesnt seem right you sure that wasnt hishock

or at least hi

[fresh reef]

I could be wrong

just finished this, and I'm sure this one was on standard

seems much more accurate to standard values

[glass forge]

woo thanks, didnt know heavy attack with mk IV dueling sword does such high damage, i ignored that weapon cos i couldnt figure out what was special about it

[supple skiff]

special is just a quick stagger

great for bursters and the like

[bleak tulip]

yeah them numbers seem more like it

[rustic sand]

Yeah glad to help. It's amazing in a fast moving hi-crit build which I like to play.

[gentle portal]

Does psyker only get devil's claw Mk I? Not Mk IV or VII?

Or am I imagining that

[silk hawk]

u can see all available weaponry in brunts armory

[frank seal]

there's no staff skin on the store? why isn't fs letting me give them money?

[proud hinge]

hey @near wyvern it looks like all the talent tree images disappeared except for surge staff?

[glossy ember]

haven't seen astaff skin myself

[frank seal]

you did this to yourself fs. no money for you

[near wyvern]

seems a shit ton of images disappeared

:/

[proud hinge]

nooo :(

[near wyvern]

all my pretty decoration stuff as well

[crimson remnant]

swap nexus to transfer peril and gg

[near wyvern]

steam autumn sale making space for themselves? 😭

[brave fiber]

80% warp res idk if he needs transfer peril

[vernal cove]

hello im new and im trying to pick my abilty and my aura for psyker wich would you guys reccomend? the wall abitly looks cool but i think its not that good cause you move around alot right?

[fresh reef]

join mission
spawn in bomber fire, already wounded, at less than 25% hp
die instantly
awesome

thank you quickplay

[near wyvern]

seems like a steam issue?

some images have disappeared from the guide database

I mean they are still there but the files seem to be corrupted

[proud hinge]

yeah... 0kb

[frank seal]

dome shield is easy to use

[near wyvern]

I guess I'll just not touch it for a day

and see what happens

[proud hinge]

yeah hopefully it fixes itself

[near wyvern]

sry for the inconvenience

[vernal cove]

dont you get out of it like super often though?

[proud hinge]

its ok!

[frank seal]

Nah just throw it down when you're fighting a bunch of enemies

protects everyone from ranged enemies

if they choose to run off that's not your fault

[brave fiber]

(Just don’t do it in the middle of a room)

[frank seal]

Pretty sure it even blocks grenades from bombers

[vernal cove]

what about a soulblaze build

cause that soudns cool a dot build

[frail ravine]

is smite still dogcrap?

[vernal cove]

it feels good 😛

[proud hinge]

never was bad

[brave fiber]

smite was always useful

[frail ravine]

I've always felt it never does damage

[proud hinge]

that's not its purpose

[brave fiber]

cuz it’s not supposed to

[vernal cove]

its damag increase rigth?

and cc

[frail ravine]

Then what is it supposed to do?

[brave fiber]

cc

decent horde clear with ep

[frail ravine]

Oh, well. Is there any way I could make it do a little more damage?

[proud hinge]

creeping smite is the way

[brave fiber]

ep

[proud hinge]

just mix with soulblaze and tack on the 10% and you can clear an entire horde using smite on your own

[frank seal]

You use it to stun the hordes of crushers, ragers, maulers etc. on higher difficulties

on lower difficulties smite is uuuhhh

[frail ravine]

So what's a good smite build?

[frank seal]

doesn't feel very good to use

[vernal cove]

im low lvl and it feels great 😛

zap m while the ogryn goes berserk

[brave fiber]

Take smite when you don’t have a good answer to hordes or you don’t have a good answer to crushers/maulers

[lilac vale]

Played a round of Heresy

my arms are hurting

[frail ravine]

my ogryn brain can't handle not violently smashing my face into the keyboard to win

[brave fiber]

A lot of Psyker blitzes and abilities suffer from being irrelevant lower levels but then filling very useful niches in auric/maelstorm

[frank seal]

[lilac vale]

I think smite saved me and my team more times than I can count

[brave fiber]

smite/dome psyker carries higher level missions in ways that other classes can’t

[gilded viper]

Smite dome is such a great combo for maelstrom

I enjoy it dearly

[weak widget]

Is kinetic flayer absolutely unredeemable?

something so satisfying about this passive brain burst but 15s cd to see it wasted on some poxwalker

[gilded viper]

That’s brain burst on hit right? Wasn’t aware it was bad

It’s free damage and 15 seconds isn’t as long as you think

[brave fiber]

I like it on puragus because it procs very often, sometimes just killing a specialist/elite I wasn’t even aiming at

[weak widget]

I've seen people discuss it as the worst thing, comparing it to the 10% double grenade vet passive

[brave fiber]

Essentially

If you have a free point why not

[weak widget]

that's what I think

but now I'm considering replacing venting shriek for bubble and I need an extra point so I'll give up kinetic flayer (just feels like it might help in those sniper ridden auric damnation missions)

[gilded viper]

People think everything is the worst thing. I wouldn’t take much on this server seriously

I just use the build I made and adjust it accordingly to whims. It gets me through auric maelstrom, so it’s fine by me

[weak widget]

Might be the case, we have some very high standard people :p

[gilded viper]

High standard is certainly 1 way to interpret it

[vernal cove]

staff smite or ability smite better?

[heady garnet]

Learning that lmb on purg staggers last week was life changing

I used to exclusive use rmb

[late yew]

wowee, surge is fixed?

[autumn moth]

80%

[plucky flax]

@bleak tulip What blessings you use on void? I play flurry and surge with tru aim and its great. Don't need nexus really.

[bleak tulip]

I use nexus surge, still plenty good and you get basically guaranteed crits over 80%

im sure flurry works well too tho

[plucky flax]

I use assail way more than void anyway

[bleak tulip]

use void smite

[plucky flax]

Uuuuuh

That's a dawg

[bleak tulip]

cant really not use nexus and im too lazy to gacha for a better perk

kind of total overkill but I havent really felt the need to change it

[analog agate]

Doing EP for your assail?

[plucky flax]

Yep. For shotgunners/ elite gunners pack ep assail is king to take them out.

[vernal cove]

what is considered a warp attack?

youer 'spels'?

[bleak tulip]

anything psykers do thats blue or purple

[vernal cove]

k

[limber tartan]

Anything that increases your peril and does damage really

That includes charged force sword attacks

[bleak tulip]

technically... 🤓

[plucky flax]

Timestamped linked. 8 elites evaporated. Way faster than voidstrike or smite would have killed them
https://youtu.be/uRCQy1tKWqE?t=10m25s

[bleak tulip]

shout doesnt generate peril, the charged hit with the sword doesnt, FS push attacks dont I think?

[vernal cove]

what do caskets do?

[bleak tulip]

what now

[vernal cove]

caskets

[bleak tulip]

shrimply shout

[bleak tulip]

is this some lost in translation thing

[limber tartan]

You mean curios ?

[vernal cove]

they are litterlay called caskets

[limber tartan]

Because some of them are caskets

[vernal cove]

aaah

mb

im new and stuff

those are your passive things right

[plucky flax]

My peril didn't even build up to 83+ to shout.

[limber tartan]

Yea

[plucky flax]

[bleak tulip]

thats what smite is for

[vernal cove]

anythign is hould focus with curios?

[half iron]

smite mentioned‼️💯🗣️🗣️

[plucky flax]

Still sad pre nerf handcannon assail is gone. That was just ultra chill gaming.

[limber tartan]

THey are mostly preferance

[brave fiber]

Purg m1s are fantastic for stagger, everything short of an ogryn or Mutie gets knocked on their ass

[plucky flax]

I left click I win.

[limber tartan]

If you feel like you need more health you go that, same goes for toughness and other stats they can give

[heady garnet]

@brave fiber being the mauler/rager herder is a badge I wear with honor

[unique sand]

Can the boss enemy help you get malleus monstronum

or is it only the minibosses

[limber tartan]

I never bothered to test that however i do think its only the monstrosities

And even if that is not the case there is no reason why one should do it on a traitor captain which is harder

I think

[crimson remnant]

Surge + transfer peril or Surge + Nexus? for voidstrike.

[late yew]

so

Is surge decent enough now?

[crimson remnant]

i dont know... just trying to use it

[plucky flax]

Surge is usable but not 100% yet.

[vernal cove]

ive gotten the amphitheatre mission 4 times in a row now

[fresh reef]

certainly not meta yet, but I think Purg is pretty cemented as the worst staff atm

[desert mirage]

worth getting?

[fresh reef]

I've been having a lot of success with Surge, and it feels good to play for me

[brave fiber]

tbf purg being the worst doesn’t mean it’s bad

[fresh reef]

oh for sure

it still erases hordes and has the best/safest boss damage among the staves

[brave fiber]

I don’t know what you’d do to build it tho

[inland flower]

is unyielding the best or is there something else thats useful here as a perk? breakpoints or something? feels weird itemizing for bosses when theyre such a small part of a game

[crimson remnant]

we are talking about surge, and ppl started with purg

im confused

surge blessing for voidstrike im talking about

[late yew]

wat

it definitely is not

[late yew]

How so?

[severe laurel]

Are there any advantages for trauma?

[fresh reef]

Assail or BB, Shriek for extra boss stacks or shields to close gaps with shooter

[brave fiber]

I’d say it is, trauma and void on top rn, surge behind that. Purg is definitely good but not as great as the others

[severe laurel]

I just got an okay one

[late yew]

Definitely assail

[plucky flax]

Noooo it's the worst pls buff

[late yew]

Weakest part of Purge is shooters

[fresh reef]

extremely good CC and horde clear rolled into one weapon

[late yew]

Assail is good against shooters

and for targets you would need BB for, just take deimos or DS

[brave fiber]

mb, buff it, not build, my fav build for auric/maelstrom is a purgatus one rn lol

[fresh reef]

but then you lose out of the 5% CD from elite/special kill

[plucky flax]

I go into details here. It was acknowledged by fs
https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17zpixw/comment/ka0vd7n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

[brave fiber]

Dang autocorrect

[fresh reef]

ah, lol

[glossy ember]

one off...

[severe laurel]

Any good blessings for Trauma? I just got Surge 4 and Rending Shockwave 3

Both look quite nice

But does trauma crit a lot?

[fresh reef]

just make your last tick crit smh

[kindred delta]

how good is scriers gaze on a scale of 1-10 or am I better off speccing into another combat ability to pair with assail?

I've tried to give it a chance but it doesnt really work with the psyker build I have going

[fresh reef]

Scrier's is best with guns, and not so much Assail in particular

[graceful urchin]

Hey would anyone be willing to help me with the warp battery penance?

[plucky flax]

Blazing spirit t3 and warp nexus t4.

[glossy ember]

huh, did scrier stacks apply during scrier?

thought they didn't

[kindred delta]

I see, would I be better off running the shield or the push?

[bleak tulip]

shout vents

[glossy ember]

weird at 6 warp charges and 5 pt and scrier I can consistantly one shot dreg gunner without a crit

[bleak tulip]

shield is good if youre getting shit on by guns

[glossy ember]

i guess scrier stacks do work during scrier

[plucky flax]

Gazer.

[glossy ember]

we do b gazin

[fresh reef]

She gazin on my Scrier till it perilously combusts

[glossy ember]

LOUD HERETICAL WRONG BUZZER NOISE

[fresh reef]

She venting my peril til I shriek?

[half iron]

sticking out your smite for the rager
you’re so duelling sword
you’re so scrier’s gaze
i just want to be your✨psyker✨

[fresh reef]

Your pfp fits entirely too well for this

[half iron]

i’m always out here rizzing trust 30 gyatts ong

[cosmic sigil]

And to be honest even with ff/ds if I have to down a crusher most of the time it's chastise+dumdum doing all the work. Only time I may have wished for FF or DS was yesterday in hisg when a pack of ragers was charging me. That's probably a job better suited for an Agri brauto.

[vernal cove]

why are dueling swords so good?

[half iron]

so, you duel

[amber nest]

Double stab from the Mk IV is disgustingly strong

[fresh reef]

I want to hit you with 5 stacks of true aim and a Voidstrike but I'm afraid you'd get some sick pleasure out of it

[amber nest]

Heavy + special

[half iron]

i don’t give a fuck if i go blind. i don’t need to see the price tag anyway.

[lyric burrow]

What am i reading

[blazing echo]

Someone here HAS to have thought of it.. Someone MUST be using it.. Anyone called their Psyker Pringles?

[half iron]

you must’ve spelt harken wrong

[blazing echo]

lol

[cosmic sigil]

I should have made a character named Omar-ken

[sinful mortar]

Is it weird I want to run the Deimos instead of the Maccabian?

I feel like it meshes better with a wildfire build

[olive ember]

Deimos has slightly better horde clear iirc but slightly worse stabs

It’s fine

[amber nest]

And it can have Deflector, the Duelling Sword can't

[azure bridge]

Deflector is love deflector is life

[silk hawk]

Foronat was yelling at me that i am not doing objective and thats why we lost 😦

god dammit... so i am a failure iguess 😦

[sinful mortar]

So I'm not alone in the "I am approaching your position and you cannot stop me" grindset

[azure bridge]

You are not sibling. It has saved my life countless times.

[graceful urchin]

Hey would anyone be willing to help me with the warp battery penance?

[coral cave]

looking for a psyker gf

dms are open

only 2 requirements

be insane

and give me headaches on a regular basis

[severe laurel]

do you guys run essence harvest or inner tranq on warp siphon?

Peril reduction or toughness regen

[zinc phoenix]

I have a 🅱️enis and am married so will not be applying, but I am crazy af

[plucky flax]

Peril reduction.

You should regen a lot of toughness already from kills/crits/quell.

[cold mesa]

what's the deal with all the staffs these days. obv purgatus is still purgatus but how are voidstrike/trauma fairing?

[olive ember]

Voidstrike and trauma are meta

Purge is purge

Surge is pbad

[cold mesa]

i swear all i see from pubbers are purge and surge lol

[woeful patio]

Purge bad???

[olive ember]

Those are the easy staffs to use

[woeful patio]

What are you a zealot

Stop spreading lies

[olive ember]

Surge Psyker are generally worse tho

[cold mesa]

okay

[coral cave]

is surge actually bad?

[cold mesa]

getting sus

[woeful patio]

No

Surge is awesome

[olive ember]

Surge has been mediocre since rework

[woeful patio]

Just gotta fox the body bug

[olive ember]

But some people love it

[woeful patio]

It’s not a rework

It’s a bug

[olive ember]

But it’s objectively bad now

Since they changed hitzones

[silk hawk]

there is only one true power!

[olive ember]

Idrc if it’s a bug or not, it was mediocre since rework, but makes it objectively bad

So when someone asks state of staffs

[silk hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[olive ember]

The ranking is trauma/void > purge > surge

[woeful patio]

All are viable

Surge is fantastic

[olive ember]

Viable is genuinely such a low bar lmao

Viable means nothing

I can make a tacaxe recon loadout viable if I tried hard enough

[cold mesa]

yeah ngl, i can make tac axe perform as zealot, doesn't make it good

viable is indeed a low bar

[woeful patio]

Surge could use some chain damage

Anything more and I’d argue it would be OP

[olive ember]

Surge is a single target staff that doesn’t do damage

[woeful patio]

Prior to bug ofc

[olive ember]

It’s prob better now but at the bugs worst it was 6 charges to kill a crusher

Even without bug you average 3 charges to kill a single crusher

[silk hawk]

4 at max

[olive ember]

It’s mediocre but ease of use and “good TTK” makes people think it’s good

[silk hawk]

usually 3

[arctic sorrel]

hi

[olive ember]

It was 6 with the bug

They fixed part of the bug

[arctic sorrel]

whats best build for psyker?

[silk hawk]

it was always 4 without

[olive ember]

So now it’s “better”

[woeful patio]

I don’t know what the surge did to you in the past but it doesn’t deserve this

[olive ember]

It was 6 lmao

[woeful patio]

It’s my favorite staff

[silk hawk]

with a bug crusher die in 2 hits

[olive ember]

Voidstrike or trauma build

Yeah with a bug surge was actually decent enough

[arctic sorrel]

oh i always use purg one

[silk hawk]

idk what surge build u are used, but it sux XD

[olive ember]

Lmao

[silk hawk]

if u need 6

[olive ember]

It’s literally 6

At worst

[woeful patio]

Warp Flurry/Nexus my beloved

[olive ember]

The math isn’t hard

It was 3 charges to kill, with the hitzone bug which made surge do half damage

At worse you needed 6 charges to kill a crusher

[silk hawk]

its 4 charges, with carapace its 3

pretty stable

[olive ember]

You are one of the surge copers I remember now

It’s 3 to kill a crusher with zero bugs

And you are telling me with the hitzone bug which literally cuts the damage in half

It goes from 3 to 4

Classic

[silk hawk]

i dont speak about hitzone bug

who the fk even gona play surge during that bug

[olive ember]

I was literally talking about the hitzone bug making surge need 6 to kill a crusher what

[woeful patio]

Bro is DEDICATED to slandering surge

What did it do to you

[olive ember]

I didn’t realize stating facts was slander now

[long wharf]

It's what FartShack did to Surge staff

[woeful patio]

The bug?

[silk hawk]

i though u speak about first bug... i guess

sorry for misunderstanding then

[arctic sorrel]

what talents are good for doing damage in time and i use purg staff

[woeful patio]

Not the EP bug

[long wharf]

Imagine being a programmer at FartShack and being totally unaware of how attacks work

[woeful patio]

Common FatShark L

[strong gulch]

Pre hot fix for reduced damage on limbs, crushers really did laugh as you tickled them to death. It took 6 charges.

When a flamer took 4 charges.

[long wharf]

And you think "it sure would be neat to see surge lightning hit somethings arm or leg"

[olive ember]

They fixed the reduced damage but they didn’t address that limbs have different damage types

[severe laurel]

Well, trauma staff is both really good and utterly frustrating

[olive ember]

Like if you hit a gunner on the arms it becomes unarmoured instead of flak

So tada your flak one shot BP is broken now

[long wharf]

They really should just revert entirely surge/smite hitting anything but body

[olive ember]

They should but fatshark moment

[strong gulch]

Surge is my favorite staff, but it's getting silly with the bugs on it. We can barely chat about it without confusion about WHICH bugs someone means

[olive ember]

There’s 2 bugs, double damage bug and hitzone bug

[long wharf]

Typical FartShack

[olive ember]

Both are “fixed” but the hitzone BS is still cancer

Because different limbs have different damage types

[lunar hollow]

i, for one, am glad the surge is suffering

[olive ember]

So for example to consistently one shot gunners you need +flak, but suddenly +flak means nothing if you hit the gunners arm

[silk hawk]

but i can agree to the change that your lightning cruising in the enemy body, i will just use more general perks like +10% elite dmg etc

[olive ember]

Cuz the gunners arm is unarmoured

[long wharf]

Man, we psykers sure felt powerful when patch 13 dropped

[olive ember]

You hate all the staves smh

[lunar hollow]

the trauma is alright

the other 3 are boring to me

[silk hawk]

• in most cases when u play your enemy is never full health in a critical moments anyways...if your team is not a complete potatoes

[long wharf]

FartShack immediately recognized the problem

And worked quickly to not only make us feel less powerful, but also regret that we ever did in the first place

Once again, the space wizard's most powerful build is to use a gun

[lunar hollow]

as it should be

i love gunpsyker

[olive ember]

Nah blaze trauma and voidstrike are stronger than gun

[long wharf]

It's to the point where if I didn't laugh about it, I'd cry

[olive ember]

Gun is probably better than purge or surge tho objectively

[strong gulch]

Before Pat 13 rework, it was a CC tool and anti metal armor that could stun up to 8 targets. That was later reduced to 6. Now it's supposed to do single target damage but struggle to one shot man-sized targets consistently. It's had repeated fixes that are cosmetic which affect gameplay. The staff has gone through so many iterations.

[long wharf]

Nope, Columbus with SG is way stronger than void

[lunar hollow]

u should not be bringin a primary weapon for the purpose of not hurting enemies tbf

its good the CC tool slot was moved to blitz

[olive ember]

Eh void provides ranged horde clear

[lunar hollow]

but now they gotta figure out wtf to do with surge

[lunar hollow]

does not make it objectively stronger than a gun

[olive ember]

Tho I haven’t tried Columnus so can’t say much with SG

[long wharf]

Not as effectively as assail (in short bursts now)

[lunar hollow]

assail lets u make up for lack of hordeclear fairly reliably

[long wharf]

Columnus is stupid strong

You really need to try it once

It's the new shredder pistol

[olive ember]

Mfw my Columnus IAG that I had from my meme build is being brought back

[long wharf]

Warp charges+SG makes it a boss deleter

[lunar hollow]

i go full right side with ds4+laspistol and it fucks

[long wharf]

Frankly, it's ridiculous

[woeful patio]

Using a gun on Psyker is Haram

[long wharf]

I still don't like DD

[woeful patio]

Imagine using such primitive arms when you have access to ammo free options

Unthinkable

[lunar hollow]

i love DD

[olive ember]

@near wyvern how good is Columnus IAG vs vraks 3/7 vs laspistol

[lunar hollow]

u can get comically long strings of the +movement speed

and just zoom

[long wharf]

Laspistol with infernus still slaps

But columnus kills faster

[lunar hollow]

u dont even really need infernus on it

vs anything that isnt a boss it wont really matter

[long wharf]

And you don't have to run a macro or break a mouse/finger with the IAG

[silk hawk]

there is a mod that makes all weapons automatic thou

[orchid nest]

yeah laspistol is legit. columnus will beat it in pure short range dps but laspistol has excellent mobility and a lot easier to use at range. and it's an easier quickswap weapon to weave assails with

[long wharf]

Mods changing weapon behavior is something I'm surprised FartShack is okay with

[idle aurora]

Laspistol on full auto is kinda insane

But a mod / autoclick setting is needed, otherwise your finger will die

[woeful patio]

If FatShark was good at making games modders wouldn’t need to pick up slack

[upbeat parcel]

Surge is fine as is but voidstrike is just too good

[woeful patio]

I’m not about to develop carpal tunnel by using the knife

[unreal axle]

there's a lot of QoL stuff in mods I wish Fatshark would just rip and put into the game

[long wharf]

I'm not a fan of void right now

[woeful patio]

Voidstrike is almost too easy

[unreal axle]

aw, I like the voidstrike staff a lot

[woeful patio]

I don’t use it on principle

Wish Trauma behaved differently though

AOE should follow your reticle

[pale pilot]

void's best in slot blessings are still nexus and flurry, yeah?

[orchid nest]

I honestly think FS isn't ok with several mods but doesn't consider it a fight worth having unless it's too egregious. because trying to go too hard on them would just reveal how little power they have over stopping private mods and stuff until they have enough time to implement an actual system like in vermintide 2

[woeful patio]

Too many odd circumstances that cause the trauma AOE to go below the floor or not affect enemies properly

[pale pilot]

i hope you don't intend to trauma those lads on those wire stairs

[uneven compass]

Having to look up at the sky or ceiling with trauma gets pretty annoying

[upbeat parcel]

yeah trauma is kind of a pain in the ass to use

[woeful patio]

I agree

[upbeat parcel]

maybe it should target one enemy and aoe blast them or smth

[graceful urchin]

Hey would anyone be willing to help me with the warp battery penance? I'm really struggling out here :*(

[upbeat parcel]

which build are you using for it

also remember, you need 6 warp chargers regardless of your skill tree

even if ur max is 4

it won't count

[woeful patio]

I’d take this over what we currently have as I’m having to guesstimate where an enemies feet is to properly ensure kills

And even when it LOOKS like I properly executed the timing, and lips or dips in terrain ruin it

[pale pilot]

oh yeah trauma as a brainburst style magnetize lockon would be fine to me.

but also probably harder for them to code at this point

seeing as trauma's just the conflag staff

but also it's current form is also fine to me because i've grok'd that the killing with it is secondary to making sure all enemies cannot stand upright

[spice veldt]

I like trauma's current aiming system

[uneven compass]

That's why I can't ever give up surge. Just so nice to fire it in a direction roughly at an enemy with surprisingly great range and no worries about seeing/aiming trauma's ground circle

[spice veldt]

it just fails on certain terrain because of it's infinitesimally small "aiming hitbox"

and because of the fact that it doesn't land in enemies

the latter of which is fine

but the former being problematic against non-wheelchair accessible infrastructure

[near wyvern]

Columnus is basically the better shredder. Deals a shit ton burst DPS. Laspistol still has better monstrosity DPS and headhunters are better at long range.

[woeful patio]

That’s the only problem I have with it tbh

Still a great staff, just not a fan that it’s marginally reliant on flat terrain to get the most out of

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its annoying on stairs

[plucky flax]

Yes yes trauma bad. Pls buff

[lyric burrow]

I think its stun might be a little too strong sometimes tho lol

[woeful patio]

Kinda hoping we get something like the new necromancer staff soon

[lyric burrow]

I was able to kite like 100 melee elites in a clutch the other day cause i can make it so nothing can hit me with trauma

[woeful patio]

Due for new weapons in general

[silk hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/devilish-grin-gif-15993726

yes, buff its dmg, and nerf its stun

[spice veldt]

enemies should probably have a faster recovery and longer immunity against getting knocked down

[sacred crane]

making another pysker character so i have a one with loner and one with seer

WISH WE COULD JUST CHANGE VOICES

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i agree

[spice veldt]

I'm not of a fan of things where their main strength is making the enemy literally unable to do anything

[lunar hollow]

every time im reminded of the deimos h2 stagger i die

[spice veldt]

ded

[lyric burrow]

Yeah its actually unfair in melee maelstrom

[spice veldt]

give enemies some rolling animations

make them acrobatics

ragers breakdancing

[upbeat parcel]

isn't the new necromancer staff in V2 just brain burst

[severe laurel]

Any tips on how to aim Trauma? I'm finding I'm hitting a lot of edges

[woeful patio]

Same

[spice veldt]

enjoy the view of the sky (or ceiling)

[woeful patio]

Threw out a 107 Psyker to change voices

[silk hawk]

jump

[upbeat parcel]

I also dropped a 100 psyker to change voices

french psyker wasn't it

[severe laurel]

.... are you serious?

[woeful patio]

And ofc gear doesn’t carry over

Because why would it

[silk hawk]

yes 😂

[upbeat parcel]

blessings do at least

[woeful patio]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-rat-crying-rat-profound-sadness-fototeta-gif-27638214

[severe laurel]

bunnyhopping all over the place

[woeful patio]

My perfect surge staff

Gone

[graceful urchin]

REALLY?!?!

[spice veldt]

I'm not sure what advice to give besides the fact that at ~20m, the circle aims along a spherical surface, and you can use that to target enemies at elevation if need be if you can distance well

[graceful urchin]

I've been using asail and purgatus

But with the cap for 4 not 6

Been doing that for like a week

So sad

[plucky flax]

That's too hard pls buff.

[echo frigate]

German psyker>>>> never gets old

[stuck finch]

Oh how I wish you were all real

[woeful patio]

“My dream my rules my shield”

The best voice objectively

Hoping we get Premium Voices/Tattoos/Hair Styles later down the line

[echo frigate]

"SIMPLETONS" -In a high pitched german accent

[stuck finch]

I chose Frenchy chic as my main but I had to roll another psyker for male MY BELOVED

[stuck finch]

Someone doesn't know about protocol

[woeful patio]

My old Psyker was all about protocol

Drove me insane

[stuck finch]

Have you heard about St.Messelina?

[echo frigate]

Which voice?

Accent please not the name

[woeful patio]

Jamaican?

African?

[stuck finch]

Jamaican is the male version of female frenchy

[echo frigate]

There's german, french, and smth else

[woeful patio]

How do I put it without being racist

Sounds like he drives a Jeep

[stuck finch]

Schizo beloved

[woeful patio]

The best one

[plucky flax]

I like both male and female beloved.

The female in particular sounds like sienna and just seems like a nice lady.

[stuck finch]

It is Sienna's VA

[plucky flax]

So it is.

[north cradle]

Is it actually

I've been told no

[woeful patio]

It is

[north cradle]

Same goes for Bardin's VA not being Brawler Ogryn

[woeful patio]

On the topic of Sienna, I’d love to see more nods to her with Psyker

Tbf I could see any number of her Vermintide Staff skins being brought over to DarkTide

Just make the fire blue

[plucky flax]

Is it or it is?

[woeful patio]

It’s got the skulls and gold

[stuck finch]

Serious I would pay for a VO pack

[woeful patio]

Same

I’d love to see warp ink or some sort of animated tattoo

Once you hit 30 you’re officially part of the warband

Should have access to gaudy stuff

(But please more nods to Sienna Im begging)

[kindred delta]

How much better is brain burst with a dedicated build?

are the redacted psyker heresy penances actually reasonable to do?

[woeful patio]

They aren’t difficult at all

Playing in Auric Damnation provides more than enough specials and elites to keep your warp charges max at any given moment

And get an Ogryn and 2 friends and you can easily get Malefic Monstorum by having your shield Ogryn tank a Daemonhost while you BB it

The rest is what? Kill an elite by maxing your peril and killing 3 elites within 10 seconds?

[brave fiber]

I did the latter 2 on accident when they were still attainable

[woeful patio]

They still are

Aren’t they?

[brave fiber]

Well, by normal means I mean

Not in private groups

[woeful patio]

I don’t follow

Oh

Only Malefic Monstorum requires a private game though?

Pretty sure

[brave fiber]

wait does it? Huh

Thought it was all

[kindred delta]

killing 3 elites within 10 seconds with BB on heresy or higher

and malefic monstorum

[woeful patio]

Both are super easy

[kindred delta]

I tried to do them when BB wasnt as strong as it was now

like, multiple months ago

[woeful patio]

I did it

🤷‍♂️

Definitely easier now

You shouldn’t have any difficulties

[brave fiber]

Emp bb is nice now, you can do the 10 second one very easily if you have max charges

[woeful patio]

If you’re having trouble with killing 3 elites I suggest using EP as it cuts down on the BB charge

As does the vent modifier

There are packs of gunners or ragers in every auric Damnation mission so it should be super easy

[brave fiber]

Also I lied you only need 1 charge cuz you refresh the charge on elite kills

[upbeat parcel]

just pick ur targets carefully

a pack of gunners will each die to one BB

assuming ur teammates don't delete them

[brave fiber]

with bb you can just snipe them 300 yards away before your team even sees them

[upbeat parcel]

idk man plasma gun vet will ruin a BB user's day

[brave fiber]

fair, I don’t see that many vets period though for some reason

[upbeat parcel]

they keep getting nerfed for some reason LMAO

[celest hedge]

i'm building a trauma staff for the first time, what kind of perks and blessings should I be looking for it?

[brave fiber]

It’s always like a shit ton of zealots, a few psykers, and the occasional ogryn

Then a vet once a millennium

[upbeat parcel]

I only see vets on auric

below that 0

[brave fiber]

which is so weird to me because isn’t vet one of the most popular classes

[woeful patio]

I do with BB would prefer elites or specials over standard chaff though

That’s my only qualm with it

[stable silo]

i play mostly psyker vet and zealot but more psyker and vet

vets okay im running the mg1a lasgun with tag keystone

shout

[upbeat parcel]

BB needs a slight buff but idk in which direction

[brave fiber]

Make emp bb normal bb

That’s it

[woeful patio]

I’ve been leveling my new Psyker and from levels 1-30 I can say the majority of players I randomly qued with, most were vets

[stable silo]

bb suffers from the problem it did before the rework as a flat dmg its OP until its not

[woeful patio]

Also BB needs something and I dunno what

Very liable to become OP

[celest hedge]

i think just make BB lock onto elites and specials more easily when surrounded by trash and it'd be better, and maybe focused on the stronger trash mobs like shooters if there isn't any elites or specials in range to lock onto

[cold mesa]

do remember those stats are covering a period where vet was definitively the strongest class

[stable silo]

if it one pops everyting its pretty good esp with the speed procs

[woeful patio]

I agree 100%

[brave fiber]

good point

[woeful patio]

My only difficulty with BB is targeting specials or elites in a horde

[celest hedge]

i think BB itself is fine otherwise, I don't mind the time to kill on it too much, especiallysince it's so easy to charge

[woeful patio]

Thankfully most are taller

[celest hedge]

I think managing peril is a million times better than having to worry about ammo

[brave fiber]

There was a VERY large influx of psykers when the skill tree rework came around

[celest hedge]

assail was super strong when the rework dropped

[cold mesa]

yeah assail was nuts

i hated it

[celest hedge]

but I grew to love smite s hield more than vanilla purge BB psyker, which i liked a lot

[brave fiber]

I’d say assail is balanced rn

[cold mesa]

just me as a zealot trying to do things in melee and having everything evaporate before i even get there

[upbeat parcel]

first time psyker assail users were a plague

[brave fiber]

Dare I say a little weaker than it should be

[upbeat parcel]

but they're mostly gone

[celest hedge]

i pretty much never see assail anymore

[upbeat parcel]

I run assail it still does work

just not as often

[brave fiber]

Most people just run smite now

[celest hedge]

EP smite is super fun

[upbeat parcel]

if u want to spam it kinda like release

EP assail is the way to go

[brave fiber]

I run nothing but bb because I’m a hipster

[woeful patio]

Smite + Shield makes Sisters of Battle moist in the nethers

[celest hedge]

hard crowd control and protection against range is super powerful right now

[woeful patio]

Absolute team player

But BB and VS has a special place in my heart

Ol’ Reliable

[unreal axle]

VS?

[woeful patio]

Venting Shriek

Default Blitz

Blitz? Ult?

Whatever the term is

GET OUT OF MY DREAM

[celest hedge]

quelling is super fast and you can switch to something like a dueling sword, shred a horde really quick, and instantly be quelled so you can go back to smiting

[brave fiber]

Emp BB purg build my beloved

+dome is op

[orchid shadow]

It needs a faster cast. Like a node on the skill tree that makes it faster with each successive chain cast so that it's actually usable in a more hectic environment. Or the cast time is scaled by the amount of health left on an enemy. Either way, it's still balanced because you're going to be limited by peril generation.

[woeful patio]

Quietude doesn’t light my entire LOS on fire

[celest hedge]

i don't like empowered BB mostly because it messes my ability to use BB against shooters and stuff

[woeful patio]

Tbh if the stagger on BB was a node I would take it

[celest hedge]

BB with the skill to make it charge faster after you use your ult I think is prettym uch perfect

[woeful patio]

At 50-60% it makes enemies stop what they’re doing

Good for gunners

[celest hedge]

stagger on BB cast was busted in the beta, but I can see it coming back as a node

[woeful patio]

I’d use it over Kinetic Flayer

Wow a free BB on hot every 15s

No thanks

Gimme ranged stagger on cast

[celest hedge]

free BB every 15 seconds is sick though

[woeful patio]

I’d take that in a heartbeat

It is

But not what I’d take

Especially because it can proc when I don’t want it

Oh no I accidentally hit a chaff before the ranger

Wasted

15s cooldown

[brave fiber]

+make EP BB default BB
+EP BB now one shots crushers
-EP no longer gives charges on elite/special kills

Makes BB more of an occasional tool to deal with powerful enemies without making it too op

[woeful patio]

If I could control the proc it would be amazing

ONESHOT CRUSHERS?

[celest hedge]

it's a bit weaker now since warp charges only proc on elite and special kill, before when it was any BB kill itwas really good for maintaing stacks, especially with the toughness gain on warp charge gain talent

[woeful patio]

You’re mad

Insane

Also EP shouldn’t have charges but a passive timer as it would then be on par with warp charges

You don’t use a charge with every BB

It’s passive

They made it so EP only gains stacks on elites instead of specials because they didn’t want it to be an infinite chain

But it’s encouraged to chain anyway

[celest hedge]

EP can be a pain to gain sometimes, I used to run surge with the gurenteed EPcharge on elite kill but I found that got less consistent so I swapped to the better chance on any kill

[brave fiber]

This is probably the actually good balance, it would make so much more sense with literally all the blitzes

[woeful patio]

Yeah

12.75% on ANY KILL in your radius

Nuts

[celest hedge]

it's still not great but it's a bit better when using dueling sword on hordes or surge staff on basic shooters at a distance

[woeful patio]

Tbh I use EP more for the ability to freely right cast BB than I do for the damage

[lethal lagoon]

^

[woeful patio]

You generate way too much peril to precast BB for it to be worthwhile

AND you’re slower

Makes no sense

And it’s so finicky

You’ll fully charge and then it won’t pop

[celest hedge]

use smite at mid range to save EP charges and to farm it, smite for big groups that we have trouble dealing with, and rapier for quick peril quell and EP farming

yeah, there's very very few times where precasting BB is worth it

[woeful patio]

I refuse to use non force weapons

😔

[upbeat parcel]

based

[brave fiber]

precharge shouldn’t be slower tbh

[woeful patio]

I am a PSYKER normal weapons are PRIMITIVE and beneath me

[brave fiber]

It’s weird

[woeful patio]

Also yes Precharge needs work

[upbeat parcel]

honestly just buffing precharge might put bb back on the map

[brave fiber]

eh

[celest hedge]

i love the demios alot and have been using it since it came out, but I don't really need it in my smite build since the demios would fill the role that BB would take in close range, it's safer to charge the special on it and hit something than it is to charge a BB in close range

[brave fiber]

Main problem with bb is that it’s just too slow

[woeful patio]

Illisi allows you to stack specials on the blade to generate peril in niche situations and doesn’t slow you

Using Obscuris or Deimos doesn’t allow this

And I don’t know why

[celest hedge]

and I started using mettle and it's super good, I load my rapier with all the crit stuff so it and surge can just farm toughness super easily and get a ton of move speed all the time

The Illisi just seems like a power sword that can never get power cycler

[woeful patio]

Okay hear me out, SC with Illisi that has quell

[celest hedge]

and obscuris just seems liek a worst deimos in every way

[spice veldt]

my guess is that illisi is using the powersword's properties

[woeful patio]

Obscuris walked so Deimos and Illisi could run

[spice veldt]

since illisi currently has a bug where the First Target stat isn't factored into the special's damage

[woeful patio]

Should be fixed regardless

[spice veldt]

and the psword doesn't have a first target stat

I would prefer if illisi had deimos/obscurus's behavior

[celest hedge]

power sword doesn't need it once you have power cycle 4 on it, most things die in 2-3 really fast swings

[woeful patio]

Also if they’re going to rehash POWERSWORD for Illisi then make it so the special lasts for more than one swing

Give Illisi power cycler

[spice veldt]

since you can always just swap off to cancel the activation and swap back on to activate it

no

power cycler is a blight on this world

[celest hedge]

power sword is goddly with powercycle 4 and fucking worth less than nothing without it

[woeful patio]

Give me Force Rapier

[spice veldt]

the terribleness of the psword is overexaggerated without pcycler

[woeful patio]

Hnnnnnnng

[celest hedge]

even with the block cancel tech they added

[celest hedge]

that's pretty much the deimos, it has a rapier attack pattern and the same crit and weakspot bonuses

[woeful patio]

No skin tho

My only qualm

[upbeat parcel]

force rapier would be sick

deimos don't got the style rapier has

[celest hedge]

before the deimos I would run nothing but dueling sword, sometimes chainsword for the same reason I love deimos with BB is that the special is good and safe in close range when the BB would be dangerous

[woeful patio]

Gimme a dueling sword with force capabilities

[celest hedge]

it's not really easy to BB a crusher in melee range but you can charge up and hit them much more safely

[woeful patio]

I am a PSYKER let me use the WARP

[tired knoll]

just heavy 2 lol

[woeful patio]

Rending Strike on dueling sword melting crushers

[celest hedge]

I still really want a force spear

[woeful patio]

Cut like paper

[strong gulch]

That's still a thing? Good to know. Thanks.

[woeful patio]

SPEAR???

Yes

Dude let me clap cheeks with my staff

[tired knoll]

idk whats the point of deimos special when the heavy 2 is so good

[spice veldt]

i tested it in patch 14 (previous patch) but who knows if they stealth-fixed it this patch

trust no one

[woeful patio]

If timed properly you can H2 with special

Just L1 into the air

[strong gulch]

True

[celest hedge]

make one where the charge attack makes it so it does a void strike style AOE blast on hit, and one that makes it so a bunch of force blades stab a hundred times when you swing it

[brave fiber]

Maybe I should finally get myself a good deimos, I gotta figure out what all the hype is about

[celest hedge]

https://tenor.com/view/million-stabs-gif-23451755

[tired knoll]

aint you still stuck with the special animation tho

[woeful patio]

Deimos is good

[celest hedge]

think like this but spectral spears appear around the spear tip

[brave fiber]

It’s just

[feral verge]

@brave fiber

[woeful patio]

But I prefer Illisi tbh

[spice veldt]

deimos's h1 and h2 special both do the same damage last time I checked

[echo frigate]

Deimos is rlly good if you need single target

[brave fiber]

Idk why would I use a deimos over dueling mk4

[woeful patio]

Style

[strong gulch]

I don't like the new stagger on Deimos h2.

[woeful patio]

Ability to Quell

[tired knoll]

like you could get 3 heavy 2s off in the time it takes to do a full special

[strong gulch]

Special animation locks the camera too.

[woeful patio]

And movement

[celest hedge]

deimos gets some of the warp crit stuff like soulblaze peril quell on weakspot hit, power based on peril level, and also deflector if you're into that stuff

i never cared for deflector

[spice veldt]

and a 10m push-attack

[celest hedge]

I also never cared for the push on it but I pretty much never push in this game either

[spice veldt]

i haven't used force swords in a while but the 10m push-attack buff sounds pretty neat

[brave fiber]

role wise though, both deal with armored single targets, but isn’t mk4 just better for that?

[spice veldt]

they buffed the deimos's damage a patch or so ago so I expect the theoretical DPS difference to not be that far apart

[strong gulch]

Force sword pushes a pretty strong.

[woeful patio]

Why would I use anything other than Force Swords when force swords have deflector

🥺

Deflector my beloved

[spice veldt]

toughness tanking 😎

[celest hedge]

force sword used to have unlimited dodges but got removed, which is fair. 5 is still a good amount to have

[woeful patio]

I’ll admit it took some getting used to

But 5 is stellar

[brave fiber]

Realistically I never use more than like 3 dodges

[strong gulch]

Force sword movement is not as fast, but maybe the scriers and DD movement would be fun on it.