psyker-class

[coral cave]

looking for a psyker gf

hmu in dms

[feral verge]

@spice veldt

[spice veldt]

you bitch

[proven stirrup]

I'm sorry but please do not continue to call each other "sibling".

[spice veldt]

true, mankar isnt deserving of anything close

[feral verge]

yes, sibling would make it sound like i am your equal

when i am more akin to being your god

[spice veldt]

nice suitcase

you should put it in the trunk of my car

(laugh track)

[lethal lagoon]

Melee damage(elites) to manic, and exorcist to Slaughter, not terrible, you can also turn it into a meme blaze sword

^

[proven stirrup]

The meme blaze was the plan kek

I just lack the blessing

[feral verge]

this is my main illsi atm

i can swap to shred + blaze

for memes if wanted

[hard solstice]

I wish the melee firespreader sword playstyle was better than it actually is, cause in theory it sounds so fun

[lethal lagoon]

Literally the one time it was viable as a non-meme was back when Crucian routleete on Revolver could affect melee.

[spice veldt]

illisi's special should've applied Soulblaze instead of being psword's little brother

[lethal lagoon]

Even then you had to use a macro to always get the first swing of ob

[feral verge]

good idea, for once

[lethal lagoon]

That's a pretty cool idea actually, it's left click shreds hordes anyways with or without special

[spice veldt]

you will die

[feral verge]

it'd be cool if we could get some of sienna's swords

except trade fire for soulblaze obvi

[lethal lagoon]

A flaming 2hander would be a decent addition then to the force sword group

[pale pilot]

yes

more, MORE BLUE FIRE

[echo frigate]

Does smite hit weakspots still?

Or no

[hard solstice]

agreed. you can even achieve that via Bloodthirsty + Blazing Spirit, but it feels kinda shitty to have to spend a whole blessing just to ensure your next attack after your special attack inflicts soulblaze. Bloodthirsty should've just been 100% crit chance on your special attack

[hard solstice]

it currently is, but as ever it is precisely as clear as mud whether or not fatshark intends that it still can

[echo frigate]

Okay

It should tho random rng

makes that one perk super good

[lethal lagoon]

Both surge and smite hit weakspots and even seem to have extra weakspot damage

[hard solstice]

I agree, I want the smite + true aim synergy to stay. It doesn't feel broken at all, just fun to build around guaranteed crits by using "on-crit" blessings that would normally be passed over for something more universally beneficial

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[verbal flint]

Never noticed the force sword push generated peril. Unexpected explosion.

[strong gulch]

The push doesn't, but the push attack does if it pushes and enemy.

It's easy to accidentally do a mush attack when you meant to push.

[steady thistle]

is gun psyker good compared to other builds?

[long wharf]

Typical Fatshark - claims they fixed surge, didn't fix surge

[rotund kiln]

Gun psyker is fun if you want something different

[verbal flint]

Get that revolver, magical cowboy time

[rotund kiln]

I do support psyker with assail, bubble and a shredder auto

its pretty fun

[verbal flint]

I abandoned support as I can't even get the pubs to be in the same zip code as each other. All killy now.

[rotund kiln]

I main support for psyker, its just what i enjoy

[verbal flint]

"I do what I want." Is popular in this game

[rotund kiln]

yeah it feel that

[strong gulch]

Does anyone know why the creature spawner mod has snipers under under "Elites"?

[rotund kiln]

For those people, i worry about myself in clutch scenarios

Laspistol is fun on gun psyker too

[tulip trench]

ethereal shards vs quick shards if you can only choose 1

?

[long wharf]

Always both

No reason to take only one

[tulip trench]

barely use assail

[summer prairie]

take pierce

[long wharf]

Then use a different blitz

[ornate hamlet]

Pierce

[tulip trench]

only really use it for snipers or gunner heavy areas

[fading iris]

Just a heads up in case someone get conection problems

Steam is down.

[strong gulch]

Maintenance.

[fading iris]

I mean, not fully down, but partial surge

[fading iris]

maintenance is tomorrow

[strong gulch]

It's NOT Tuesday?! 🤯

wtf is this day

[fading iris]

and since we got nerds for that, Steam is 32% down

[half iron]

monday. nerd

[orchid shadow]

Noooo, Backend Error. I need to zap things!

[strong gulch]

Oof. This just made me realize how brain fogged I am.

Bad brains unite.

[long wharf]

Zapping isn't fully fixed yet

Just FYI

[fading iris]

go to sleep!

[half iron]

a bad brain can still be a powerful brain under the power of my beloved

[zinc phoenix]

Smite the bad brain

Smite it hard and long

[long wharf]

This post right here, Commissar

[strong gulch]

Can't. Not sleepy. Always fatigued. Sleepy is... inconsistent.

[zinc phoenix]

Commissar like: unless

.

.

.

[lethal lagoon]

I would generally say the "fix" is a buff atm.

[fading iris]

gonna love that the news bulletin link for the hotfix has the address of a response to it instead of the post itself

[lethal lagoon]

You get weakspot damage, limb damage is fixed.

[long wharf]

picks up direct hotline to the Inquisition

[zinc phoenix]

Surge is great at generating peril for me to reee

Everyone gets lit on fire

Celebration ensues

Smite also does this

But you know

I am the Palpatine

[long wharf]

I still want the surge staff to get access to Blazing Spirit

[fading iris]

sibling, you need better warp resistence

[lethal lagoon]

Flurry has always been meh to me, so I would love blazing spirit on surge

[fading iris]

unless you want a lot of peril

[lethal lagoon]

I just hate how Surge literally only has one set of blessings.

Like there's 0 choice involved

[long wharf]

Yep, all the staves need to be combined into a single archtype

[fading iris]

since I got the 80% resistence on the new staff, takes a long while to get on dangerous levels, a lot of LMB and RMB spam, is amazing

[orchid shadow]

Surge first. It needs Surge. Surge on Surge staff, Fatshark. It's right.. it's right there flails arms wildly

[young meteor]

I mean less warp res means more toughness regen, so ...

[long wharf]

But I've been saying that since the crafting system released

[strong gulch]

Compared to pre hotfix, surge is feeling so much better. Still feels a bit wimpy than before with the inconsistently hitting break points, but that's probably heavily influenced by the warp rider fix in addition to the staff damage changes. (not talking about EP)

[zinc phoenix]

Dump stat reee fuel

[wheat quartz]

siblings, smite/shriek/empower+true aim+surge staff or smite/shriek/warp charges?

the true aim behaviour with the latest patch is pretty interesting

[long wharf]

Warp charges will be much more consistent damage

[zinc phoenix]

If you mean by interesting the same thing people mean by special then yes

[long wharf]

As EP doesn't interact with surge staff any more

[strong gulch]

I like flurry and I still would be happy about getting blazing spirit. More ways to play.

[wheat quartz]

yeah but presumably we'd get use out of it when smiting horde

so it's not useless

which also stacks true aim

not sure if worth compared to warp charges being warp charges though

[fading iris]

but quell speed is the dump stat, don't let yourself being caught by the warp!

again unless your build requires peril

[strong gulch]

I'd have to try surge without the peril resistance. It build peril so fast.

[zinc phoenix]

Gotta fuel that +20% damage

And reeee the fire

[fading iris]

I spam the hel out of LMB( now more since I have more wr), nuke everybody with the RMB then fast quell the thing back

is nice to have almost 100% control of the peril

[zinc phoenix]

Quelling eww but I do like LMB now that it isn’t just randomly shooting in a massive area

[fading iris]

no more "OH FUCK I wasn't paying attention!" proceeds to warp grenade the mobs

with the the obligatory push to talk scream

which funny enough helps me, teammates that otherwise would only see when I'm down, now have an "extra queue" for "well, there it goes the psyker again"

now... a upgrade for my current staff will be even worst than before, because would have to be an 380, there is no more room for less

[flat moat]

Hows the ball build?

running the void staff

[static needle]

Are any of the lasguns any good for psyker?

[robust sierra]

best perks to run on purgatus?

[crimson remnant]

Is there a way to check the shop from outside the game?

[feral verge]

flak, maniac, crit chance

[crimson remnant]

I use flak and maniac

[feral verge]

las pistol

[robust sierra]

aye can't go wrong with flakiac

[feral verge]

flakiak got me 1 million dmg in a game

and i have 3.k crits

with only the 5% crit node feat

[robust sierra]

compared to the purple is this one looking better stat wise?

[robust sierra]

crit chance on the weapon or the node in the talent tree

[feral verge]

you want burn stat to be 76% or higher

crit chance on talent t ree @robust sierra

[robust sierra]

damn well I guess I'm unlucky lol

[robust sierra]

thanks

should I upgrade it just to have something that works for now?

[feral verge]

yeah

you want warp flurry and warp nexus

terrifying barrage is worthless

so that blue staff, despite being 1% off, will be better

[robust sierra]

to get that 5% crit chance node I need to sacrifice something up here

what do you think

[feral verge]

because you have warp flurry locked in

sacrifcie kinetic flayer

flayer is goofy

[robust sierra]

does the 1% really impact me too badly

[fierce crest]

Flayer

It's not even close

[feral verge]

the 1% just lets you have another burn stack

[robust sierra]

i see

[feral verge]

kinetic flayer is a joke because it is random damage on a 15 second cool down

it MIGHT hit a high priorty target

or it might hit a groaner

useless

[crimson remnant]

Playing psyker and pressinto R to power the peril makes me reload plasma guns instead of venting

[feral verge]

never use it

[robust sierra]

got this from brunt's

low dmg and radius

but 79% burn

[feral verge]

you want a higher cloud radius

bad

[robust sierra]

shucks

[feral verge]

luckily, the staff is pretty easy to roll for

blessings wise

you'll get lucky eventually

[fair spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/catharsis-canada-canadian-comedy-second-city-gif-14152752

https://tenor.com/view/kids-in-the-hall-head-crusher-im-crushing-your-head-mark-mckinney-gif-21194905

[robust sierra]

rolled the other one to gold just to have something to use for now and I got shit out of luck lol

[fair spruce]

what you psuckers look like brain bursting

[feral verge]

it's not useless

swap sprint to flak, swap terrifying barrage to warp nexus

that staff will 100% hold you over till you get a godroll

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-average-gif-14312851

In the land of Hadron's crew being a bunch of troll admechs, you got out ok

[robust sierra]

that is, when I get nexus lol

[feral verge]

t3 blessings are pretty easy to come by

you'll get lucky

[robust sierra]

aight thanks for the help

[feral verge]

yw

[robust sierra]

uhhh

melk just reset

is this normal?

everything is purple

there are no yellows

[wet jacinth]

Me coming across T4 blessings but it be t4 of blessings not worth taking

[maiden sleet]

Found this pretty bird in the shop

[strong gulch]

Dang unstaggerable bursters. They got me.

[wet jacinth]

A nat double t4
T3 flak/pox

But first target be the dump stat

[cerulean lily]

Is there a dump stat on the illisi sword ?

[feral verge]

warp resistance

low warp resistance can be beneficial for a low peril build

but if you want it high, mobility is the next dumpstat

[solar sand]

is this why surge has felt inconsistent/weak since last patch?

[feral verge]

to my knowledge, yes

[solar sand]

i was trying to run it with EP BR yesterday and it just felt awful without the WS 24%

like failing to oneshot bruisers with full charge

but only on occasion

[fading iris]

yes

and before that there was a bug with EP that the smite stuff was affecting Surge staff aaaaand warp rider was giving +10% always

[solar sand]

yeah before it was so busted i couldnt tell one way or the other

now i feel it

or felt more accurately

[fading iris]

so assuming you were running the EP bug build... current surge staff will feel weird for you

[potent echo]

Uh... Stealth melk nerf?

[strong gulch]

Yup. Surge RMB was hitting random body parts. A lot of the time it was limbs with reduced damage.

It's no longer reduced damage, but it also still hits random armor. So it's till different.

Surge and smite can still hit weak spots.

[strong gulch]

wtf

[fading iris]

and if you were not running the EP bug, only the cosmetic bug from last patch was a real problem, the warp rider dmg buff fix was easier to take it in

[solar sand]

i was running it without EP, but mostly ep, however ive been using it a lot since EP fix, and it felt ok till yesterday when i was playing with it and i actually typed in chat "damn did they shadow nerf surge"

[strong gulch]

Yeah it was.

[pine nova]

holy shit, melk almost has a good weapon

[solar sand]

he gave me a near god roll plasma the other day

thats all hes ever given me of note

[fading iris]

he wants you to cast PEW PEW

[strong gulch]

Still kinda is... but it is much better most hot fix.

Plus you can still to smite true aim for crit setups on ranged options.

[solar sand]

surely that only applies to the first hit or something?

would be hella busted otherwise

since smite doesnt seem to crit on its own

[strong gulch]

Smite doesn't crit and builds true aim stacks.

[fading iris]

we will have to wait a hot fix for today's patch notes

because on surge staff RMB is getting crits and you can weakspot aim/hit

[solar sand]

oh it builds them, does it consume it for one crit or just hold onto the stacks?

[fading iris]

and since smite and surge RMB coding walk hand in hand.

you know... classic psyker

busted one way or the other

[solar sand]

so smite can weakspot now is what you're saying? or just surge

[fading iris]

[steel flame]

It's so nice to be back. I got sucked into a black hole while making a helbore MK2 bayonet melee build. I think I was in there for years

[fading iris]

need to test with smite, but if past bugs and fixes tells us anything

[strong gulch]

Since smite does not crit, it can't consume the guaranteed crit from true aim. So you can smite and set up a crit.

[solar sand]

oh like

it counts as a headshot for the talent, its not actually doing headshot damage though?

[fading iris]

Smite could have a extra line of code just for block crit that doesn't share with the surge RMB

so test it

[strong gulch]

It is, but is like nothing. Crits and weakspots are different.

[fading iris]

or let Pygex test it and just wait for the results

outsourcing problems

[eager horizon]

Pygex Psyker Primarch here? Like Kerf is for Ogryns?

[strong gulch]

Check the builds. He should have a build that uses it.

Smite + creeping flames + true aim + revolver

set up those juicy handcannons

[fading iris]

the first 360+ I get from Sir Milk Sire Melk

[smoky turtle]

so, with the latest patch surge no longer targets random body parts
...does anyone know what parts it DOES target? Is it just whatever is under your crosshair, or does it snap to a predetermined part?

[steel flame]

He the person behind the big psyker guide

[eager horizon]

So yes?

[fading iris]

Sire Melk is a fan of my ultimate curios

[solar sand]

i assume center mass, before it was sometimes hitting the pinky toe and doing like half damage

testing it now

[steel flame]

Probably the chest, like it used to

[smoky turtle]

[strong gulch]

Still random. Limbs no longer take reduced damage. You still get random armor hit.

[smoky turtle]

ah, so random but it doesn't matter?

[fading shoal]

Does brain burst still count for Serial Killer achievement (20 headshots in a row)?

[eager horizon]

Aye

[smoky turtle]

well, I guess it would matter for stuff like bulwark arms or whatever where they have different armor typing
but who cares

[strong gulch]

Matters just enough to still aim for flak and unarmoured perks.

on surge

[fading iris]

I just realized that I'm rich!

[smoky turtle]

I suppose
for targets where that would matter i.e. gunners I just use LMB spam anyway

[strong gulch]

and RMB

[smoky turtle]

for big meaty targets that I use charge on the damage is high enough to nuke them regardless

I mean yeah I can minmax it but Idunno

I'll poke around and see how different perks feel I guess

[strong gulch]

Like missing a break point on shot gunners. You're almost there to one shot consistenly with surge RMB, but it doesn't.

[smoky turtle]

I mean while true, LMB is cheaper with almost the same ttk, and is more forgiving in terms of damage profiles

and even if it doesn't kill it immediately halts their fire

[solar sand]

so on a mauler, aiming for the head using RMB, it sometimes briefly flashes carapace, at the samish rate as aiming at the foot

but its different to how itd normally be, like it goes back to flak, like the first insignificant instance of damage hits the cara, then the main damage hits flak

[strong gulch]

RMB surge chooses what it wants to do. If you aim around the target, it will sometimes weakspot.

[solar sand]

i guess what im trying to figure out is, does the aim point matter, not trying to argue i just dont know

[potent echo]

Aiming doesn't matter, it's random

[smoky turtle]

it sure would be nice if it snapped to the part your crosshair was on
and if you moved away from the target while still connected then it would become random
but I guess that is too complicated for fatshark

[strong gulch]

no it doesn't

also no worries

[solar sand]

oh i thought thats what you were saying, that you should aim it

[strong gulch]

no, it does what it wants. Sorry for the confusion.

[solar sand]

ok so i could be wrong, but it seems like, the first instance of damage, when it first contacts, is a random armor (that the enemy has), but the second instance of damage, the main one that matters, seems to be consistently the torso armor, or main body mass

[strong gulch]

I would be a cool feature. Rewards more skilled game play with higher damage but still be able to just wing it.

[solar sand]

like hitting a mauler or shooters, its always flak on the main damage instance, but unarmored/cara on the first (sometimes)

[lean pivot]

Hey! Does anyone have any recommendations for creating a very low Peril generation psyker? I have a force sword with 76% warp resistance and void strike staff with 80% warp resistance. But I feel like either my skill tree choices suck orrrrr idk haha.

[solar sand]

purgatus is really low peril cost

[lean pivot]

Also, is it typical for psyker to squishy?

[solar sand]

they are squishy, but have crazy regen

[lean pivot]

Fire staff right?

[solar sand]

toughness wise

yeah

[spice veldt]

we don't have any particular damage reduction, but we also have no reason to go too hard anyways

and the DR on zealot/ogryn are known to be overtuned for now

[solar sand]

like ive been oneshot at full health by maulers (on damn), but i suspect that pyskers are near as regeny as heavy attack ogyrns

[robust sierra]

what are the chances of that eh

[lean pivot]

That's why I feel so glassy. One shot by so many things on damnation

[spice veldt]

my best piece of advice is to spam dodges

[solar sand]

pyker feels pretty glass cannon to me

[spice veldt]

don't bother playing reactively

[strong gulch]

That might be your luck. I've had the main damage hit unarmoured on gunners and shot gunners.

[spice veldt]

just spam them

[lean pivot]

I try to not play like a zealot psyker lmao

[spice veldt]

get the muscle memory for habitually pressing spacebar and you'll get a lot of safety that way

i don't really put my brain towards dodging either

[solar sand]

over like 100 attacks just now, maybe one time the second instance of damage hit cara on a mauler, so idk. however the first instance of damage its fairly common to hit whichever

[spice veldt]

the main instance where I am more careful with my dodges is around crushers

maulers have their dangerous overheads as well, but they're not as tall so I have a better heads up as to whether I need to conserve my dodges compared to the tall ass crushers

[sick light]

Hey guys I have a question. I'm using the first staff and during an attempt to craft one better, I fumbled the crafting of the second one and bricked the second staff with that terrifying barrage like a fucking ape. Should I run the second staff anyway because of the extra burn damage or is the first one still better because of warp nexus?

[solar sand]

yeah dodging is just instinct for me, hear a que, press space, hear anything near me, press space

that covers most issues for me

[strong gulch]

Purg and deimos are warp weapons with low peril gen. There's a couple warp resistence nodes along the talent tree. Inner Tranquility (past warp siphon) provides a lot of peril resistance.

[solar sand]

and im like, not good at movement mechanics like some are

perma sliding and shit

[solar sand]

i turned off the dodge count in whatever mod gives me that, as the number doesnt matter to me i just dodge regardless

[spice veldt]

i've got a cool UI for that dodge counter

[solar sand]

do depleted dodges still break tracking? as that seems to be the main purpose of dodging

[north cradle]

Veteran chat's busy, what do you guys think of this talent tree for general purpose? Also has a lasgun and chainsword

[solar sand]

my non keystone build ive been using is

[potent echo]

The old vet build

But nerfed

[solar sand]

something like this

middle tree keystone is nice but

i dont like having to ping every special i see

[potent echo]

I like left keystone

[solar sand]

right keystone is good for melee builds

[strong gulch]

The last instance of damage is the big one. When that hits unarmored, it makes me sad.

[potent echo]

Right keystone with shout and plasma/revolver/shotgun is very nice

[spice veldt]

yeah they still break tracking (for most attacks)

[solar sand]

yeah my best vet build rn is melee focused rev/plasma right keystone

[spice veldt]

just stuff like running attacks and whatnot where you'll really want some dodge distance

[solar sand]

ive spent like 30k trying to get power cycler 4 for my vet, its been my resource dump for like 2 weeks now

[potent echo]

Running attack

[crude cape]

hows surge feeling after the 'fix' today havent played yet

whats your guys favorite talent builds for surge staff?

[potent echo]

It's playable now but still cursed

[solar sand]

ep and fire shriek

but if you're going just staff, then warp siphon, but then you cant really spam abilities below like heresy

heresy damnation you get stacks fast enough its w/e

without the fire i feel like you lose out to hordes

[crude cape]

i only play damnation+

[solar sand]

3 targets a hit just isnt enough

[potent echo]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-still-not-completely-fixed-after-latest-hotfix/87566

[crude cape]

i was considering pairing it with assail for anti horde, but ya i like venting shriek with flames too

[potent echo]

This should explain everything

[crude cape]

maybe like this?

[solar sand]

i like the passive, and active BR, as its better single target than surge is, then you have shreik to clear hordes

[half turtle]

fire shriek is just generally very good i think

[long wharf]

my understanding was that limb damage was still reduced

just not as much

[shy warren]

I just noticed that bullets hitting the shield actually float for a sec before falling

[potent echo]

The forum post explains it

[solar sand]

put an EP BR onto a crusher or bosses, and it helps a lot, or prep one for doggies/mutants

[strong gulch]

It's feeling a lot better but it's different. Still hits randomly but doesn't do reduced limb damage anymore.

I like creeping flames and warp siphon.

[shy warren]

really cool

[solar sand]

my current try hard build is purgatus and EP BR (bubble), been doing aurics with it and feels great

[potent echo]

Creeping flames should always go with warpsiphon, the cdr is really nice

[half turtle]

assail seems decent with surge since it can both thin hordes and also snipe priority specials

[half turtle]

i think depends on blitz? i always run EP when i take brain rupture since EP is almost required to make it usable on damnation+

[still pelican]

any idea what to do with this?

was thinking of recycling it

[feral verge]

take off terrifying barrage

terrifying barrage is useless

swa[ barrage for warp nexus

[potent echo]

You want the future copium answer or the current answer

[feral verge]

swap unarmored for flak or maniac or carapace

[half turtle]

actually the basic psibolt lmb spam is surprisingly good at suppressing shit

[strong gulch]

3?

[feral verge]

yes

[solar sand]

well 2-3

[feral verge]

terrifying barrage is useless because staves already supress very well

[solar sand]

for cc purposes, like you get swarmed easy with surge on damn/auric

[feral verge]

terifiyn b barrage is literally like not having a blessing at all. it's dead

[crude cape]

maybe this? surge and illisi for horde clear instead of dueling sword would work?

[half turtle]

my "basic shooters in an open room" strat is to just swap to staff and spam lmb + quell while walking sideways

you can survive a surprising number of shooters by just keeping their heads down the whole time

[still pelican]

I've been running this so...

[solar sand]

i feel like thats the failing of surge, is its horde clear, or lack there of

[strong gulch]

Oh surge tragets. It's only 2 sadly.

Surge smite ep fix killed 3 targets.

[solar sand]

but then you make up for it with other things

[long wharf]

surge staff is supposed to be single target now

[feral verge]

if i ran blazing spirit, i'd put it on an illisi

definitely not deimos

[solar sand]

wait it doesnt get the upgrade anymore? i thought it at least got that

[half turtle]

assail shriek not bad

[long wharf]

nope

[strong gulch]

no

[long wharf]

surge no longer gets smite nor EP buffs

[solar sand]

well shit

[long wharf]

yep

[strong gulch]

gone 😭

[long wharf]

surge still doesn't feel good to me

[smoky turtle]

surge feels great :)

[hard solstice]

blazing spirit really only works well on an illisi, paired with the shred blessing for better crit chance

[half turtle]

i hate that the damage is big random now

[feral verge]

deimos should look like this

[half turtle]

surge feels pretty nice bc of ez horde-disabler snipes

but it just like,d oesn't bp well now

bc of random limb hits

[bold maple]

not 380 sell asap

[half turtle]

so you have to actually look at the enemy and pay attention

instead of e.g. being able to turn around once the bolt connects to check if there's 20 crushers that just spawned behind you

[strong gulch]

Darktide trying to be genshin with rainbow damage and RNG.

[fading iris]

this part was fixed today

[half turtle]

oh that's nice at least

[strong gulch]

Still random. No longer reduced limb damage.

[half turtle]

imo one of the biggest upsides of psyker is that all the shit that has "slow" ttk lets you multitask while doing it

like surge, brain burst, etc

trauma/void charge

[potent echo]

Surge has the fastest ttk though

[hard solstice]

no, they just buffed damage to limbs to be the same as damage to torso. It still randomly targets limbs and heads, meaning it can still proc true aim for you. But even now there's still issues with damage, because although flat damage to various body parts and limbs has been equalized for surge / smite, the differing armor types of different body parts are still making the damage vary.

[solar sand]

i really enjoy the pysker gameplay loop cause of this, constantly managing the peril but not worrying about ammo

[half turtle]

yes by "slow" i mean like, it's not instant like revolver headpops because you have to channel it briefly

[solar sand]

i feel like im doing more than just ads lmb

[half turtle]

but the upside is that you can look around at other shit while you play the kill animation

or you can slide around

or you can whatever

[fading iris]

Not anymore, that was the fix, the cosmetic part still happens, now is the intended change

[solar sand]

armor is still random they mean i think

which it seems to be

[still pelican]

I'm trying to build a crit psy is that a thing or am I barking up the wrong tree?

[solar sand]

which testing just now proved

[half turtle]

this is i think the big part of why i find brain rupture to be "fine", you can keep your head on a swivel while the rupture is charging

and you can reposition a bit

[potent echo]

I just take the channeling time to be aiming/surgical time and it's roughly the same

[half turtle]

even though the charge is slow

[strong gulch]

The fix got rid of reduced limb damage. Still hitting random armor.

Can get lucky on a weakspot tho

[potent echo]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-still-not-completely-fixed-after-latest-hotfix/87566

Reposting because words are scary

[half turtle]

yeah i think actually a lot of staves are better than guns w.r.t action economy for this reason, because you still have to aim with guns anyways

[fading iris]

y`all need to learn how to read

[north cradle]

Witch Hunter Captain was better

[fading iris]

The dev note is for the effect, the cosmetic part only

[north cradle]

Anyone pings, you get bonus damage. No fuss, no muss

[half turtle]

but anyways when people are like "brain rupture sucks it takes 1.5s" i feel like, well, you can use those 1.5s to do other shit, it's not like recon lasgun where you have to keep your mouse pointed on the target the whole time

[potent echo]

The issue is they use it in close range when they are surrounded by all sides

[still pelican]

So, back to the original topic... take off terrifying barrage and swap unarmoured for flak or carapace?

[potent echo]

Keep unarmored

[half turtle]

true

[fading iris]

They did a cosmetic change that ended up affecting damage, now hits normal like was before, but the cosmetic on parts thing still occurs, because is that was the intended change

[potent echo]

Because of the bug you need flak unarmored to oneshot shotgunners

[still pelican]

how about blessings?

I get 2 mods.

[solar sand]

i thought it was super mid till i started using it as a situation "grenade" and now its my favorite

[potent echo]

Terrifying swap to nexus/flurry

Whichever you don't have

[hard solstice]

what everyone here is saying is that despite what fatshark claims, no, in fact, they did NOT fix what is happening to where it is cosmetic targetting of limbs only. It absolutely is still literally targeting limba and heads, as it still procs true aim from head weakspot hits. The only thing fatshark did was normalize the flat damage done by smite / surge to all body parts, so limbs aren't less damage than torso. However, fatshark failed to consider the different armor types of various limbs, so that is still fluctuating the damage done by smite / surge and causing it to feel bad.

TLDR: DO NOT take fatshark patch notes as the gospel truth. They know less about their own game than the community does.

[potent echo]

I think he blocked me he ain't seeing my posts

[half turtle]

yeah there are basically specific situations where it's fucking amazing (e.g. with perilous combustion you can kill 12 gunners via F > bb 3 times in like 0.25s each > receive 10+ gunner kills from soulblaze)

and there are lots of situations where it sucks, like if you're in melee

[fading iris]

I don't need to take FS patch notes as gospel, on the meat grinder the text isn't jumping everywhere like it was before

[half turtle]

and i feel like a lot of using it is just, being able to use your other tools to put yourself in situations where bb is good

like being good at repositioning on your melee weapon if you take something mobile like knife or ds

[hard solstice]

maybe not but thats a cosmetic fix only, slap on true aim and smite and watch it get the stacks in just a few seconds. Which is something it cannot do unless it is still literally hitting heads

[half turtle]

lol it's possible it's hitting heads and they just got rid of finesse/bodypart modifiers on it completely

or some stupid shit like that

[tulip trench]

rending shockwave good for voidstrike staff?

[potent echo]

It still does more damage to head

[fading iris]

It's because there is the other part of the change, and that they didn't put in the patch notes but told the second part, surge staff RMB now can target weakspots and crit

[half turtle]

if that's the brittleness one i really like it personally, although i think you want the double-shot-on-crit blessing (surge?) and crit support (warp nexus?) instead most of the time on void if you're maxing dps

[hard solstice]

while we can't truly know without seeing underneath the hood, in practice that is exactly what it appears they did. Equalized all flat damage done to all bodyparts for surge / smite.

[potent echo]

#psyker-class message

[half turtle]

oh that's nice actually

[potent echo]

Syl posted it though

[potent echo]

#psyker-class message

[crude cape]

does low finesse kinda brick this

[half turtle]

i find rending shockwave better on something like trauma where your goal is just controlling rather than personal DPS, since the big upside of brittleness stacks (vs rending stacks) is that it helps your team too

[potent echo]

It just ignores limb damage reduction now like plasma guns

Void doesn't have rending

I think he meant trauma

[half turtle]

oh

[hard solstice]

ahh okay, so you at least understand that by either simply being incorrect or by omission of critical information, things are not currently working as fatshark has indicated. I'm not trying to argue with you, so much as trying to make sure you know how it is actually working.

[half turtle]

well then it's bis

warp flurry/rending is probably the optimal blessing set for trauma

[potent echo]

Don't let the blaze trauma people see this

[half turtle]

although i wish there was a blessing that made it knock over ragers instead of them just getting unbalanced but continuing to run at you at the same speed

[hard solstice]

nice, I'm technologically illiterate so I wouldn't even begin to delve into code trying to understand it. But yeah that looks like proof to me

[hard solstice]

blaze trauma, just like blaze voidstrike, is actually quite viable so long as you run smite and smite still procs true aim

[half turtle]

blaze is a meme you heard it here first (actually blaze is fine but i just value controlling > squishy damage)

perilous combustion does a really good chunk of damage for me already anyways

[still pelican]

totally posted my wrong sword... I've been running this.

[half turtle]

and on 5+ there's basically never a horde where you won't be proccing perilous combustion like 3-4 times

[feral verge]

Swap deflector for shred

[half turtle]

i think he can't bc it's already locked

[still pelican]

yup

[feral verge]

I mean in the future

[still pelican]

I will do

[crude cape]

thoughts on best 2nd blessing on dueling sword IV after Uncanny?
Ive tried precog, shred, reposte, rampage. i can't decide what feels best

[half turtle]

i don't actually like blazing spirit too much and i like the one that gives power from peril instead but i'm also not really a force sword person

[still pelican]

although, I do like deflector

[feral verge]

Precog

[maiden hornet]

how are the stats on this trauma staff? Is the damage too low?

[half turtle]

precog is good

[feral verge]

Terrifying barrage is worthless

[half turtle]

i don't lvoe shred on ds because not very many things survive more than 2-3 headshots from it anyways, and mostly i'm not meleeing the things that do

[feral verge]

And damage is low

[maiden hornet]

yeah i know, i just don't have any other blessing on it atm

[half turtle]

i'd consider rolling carapace to maniac and barrage to warp flurry

but you could also just roll carapace to more carapace

oh you already did a swap

nvm

just roll barrage to warp flurry

[feral verge]

I'd use any blessing over terrifying barrage

Even if it was t1

[half turtle]

yes terrifying barrage bsaically does nothing at all on most staves

[crude cape]

i was leaning precog or reposte too

dodging something and poking back for a high dmg headshot with a crit or precog buff

feels good

[half turtle]

but it does especially nothing on trauma, the staff which puts everyone in a 5m radius on the floor and prevents them from running to cover anyways

[maiden hornet]

Yeah, I would have replace it if i have any blessings other than rending shockwave 3 for trauma staff lol I am mainly just concerned about the stats of the weapon

[fading iris]

What I'm telling you isthat the body part hit problem part got fixed, is just comestic and that part is on the patch notes, now, another thing, is that they changed the RMB to crit, thing that wasn't doing before, and something that smite still doesn't do because that line of code is different, and I`m saying the smite part because both use the same code, excluding the crit part, which is the only thing that FS "did right" from the get go and that second part, the crit part, isn't on the patch notes, just a tweak for it.

[half turtle]

stats are actually fine imo, i feel like the goal of trauma is space creation rather than raw dps

charge time is more important than damage by a lot

[maiden hornet]

that was my experience in using the trauma staff as well

charge time really is better for getting those big shockwaves out

now i just need to work to get a warp flurry

[half turtle]

yeah you're also just helping your team put out better dps because you can put the whole crusher/rager/mauler patrol on the floor in 2-3 bursts

[maiden hornet]

i do wonder if pairing the trauma with smite is cc over kill

[half turtle]

i think so, i usually run brain rupture with trauma

[strong gulch]

I'm hitting flak and unarmoured on shot gunners.

Between the orange number and true aim, I'm definitely hitting weakspots with surge RMB.

[half turtle]

trauma is really good at making space for brain rupture to be good

and it's really bad at sniping things at 50m+, which brain rupture is great at

[maiden hornet]

been running surge with smite most of the time, but i don't know how much the bug is affecting it currently

[half turtle]

surge has just always felt a bit inconsistent to me even though it's neat in principle

the EP bug with surge is fixed though iirc

[tulip trench]

im meant void @half turtle

[long wharf]

what's going with surge now?

[half turtle]

oh yeah then i'd say you should go for surge + warp nexus if you want to max dps, but rending shockwave isn't bad generally IMO

[long wharf]

void doesn't get rending shockwave

[half turtle]

it's just more a team-dps thing and void isn't the best at that (because usually what you're hitting is gonna die in 2-3s anyways)

[stable silo]

this staff worth a buy at melky?

[long wharf]

hell yes it is

[gusty furnace]

hmm

[maiden hornet]

i mean there is a new one now, with the lightning targeting random body parts rather than the torso

[stable silo]

20% unarmored still hits the breakpoint right?

[long wharf]

replace terrifying barrage with warp nexus

[gusty furnace]

replace transfer peril, replace infested enemies?

[half turtle]

oh that's supposedly fixed too

[gusty furnace]

Call it a day?

[tulip trench]

im only using it for crushers/bulwarks/abominations

[stable silo]

hell yeah bother

[half turtle]

or it still does it but it doesn't do less damage?

[maiden hornet]

oh that's good to know

[crude cape]

ya trauma + assail and bubble, or venting and bb are my favorite builds.
Unsure which feels better, depends on team

[stable silo]

what should i reroll infested to? crit chance?

[crude cape]

i like assail with trauma as well bc its good for rows of shooters, which trauma can be bad at

[half turtle]

yeah trauma is like having an ogryn in your pocket, i fucking love it

[long wharf]

yes, you want crit chance on surge staff

[half turtle]

it's just instant space creation for whatever fuckery you want to do

[strong gulch]

Surge RMB still hits random parts but the reduced limb damage is gone. So you still end up hitting different armor witch is making damage (and break points) inconsistent.

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-still-not-completely-fixed-after-latest-hotfix/87566

[long wharf]

if FartShack were to address the trauma staff aiming mechanism, I'd use it more

[fading iris]

it's because after the last patch, where you aim "matters" for weakpost damage, and I think that is a fuck up from FS, you can aim to get weakspot damage, but if you "miss" you will get a torso normal damage.

which is "why the fuck"

[strong gulch]

you don't aim it

[long wharf]

wait, surge staff can aim now?

I wasn't seeing that

[stable silo]

man whats the build even with surge staff now?

[strong gulch]

no

[half turtle]

so with warp nexus+surge you can pretty reliably kill a crusher in 2-3 blasts if you're good at head aiming

[stable silo]

i was gonna ignore it until melky tossed that into my lap

[maiden hornet]

you can never aim the surge staff

[half turtle]

and also the crusher behind him

and also the 2-3 bulwarks in front of him

[stable silo]

assail crit build?

with venting shriek ?

[long wharf]

I'm now running assail+surge+shriek

[gusty furnace]

Carapace is a holdover from pre-patch 13

[tulip trench]

sweet lol ya illisi for hordes, assail for gunner rooms/snipers and void for heavy lifting

[half turtle]

assail seems like the best blitz to run with surge

[gusty furnace]

And then whatever you want in the tree

[maiden hornet]

it used to be that the lightning just automatically hit the torso of the enemy but they made it so the surge now hit random body parts

[long wharf]

with dueling sword for melee

[strong gulch]

Aim in the general direction yes, but not specifically at a part for surge [staff] RMB.

edit: added staff to clarify that I'm not talking about the blessing.

[stable silo]

do we stil ltake true aim ?

with surge

[long wharf]

no point

[stable silo]

i feel like im cheating on hte void staff

[half turtle]

my favorite part about void is that it just goes straight through bulwark shields just like plasma gun does

[long wharf]

but I would take True Aim with Assail

[tulip trench]

so good

[stuck bridge]

hello siblings

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa4264f-760b-48a6-b0ea-f293ccfa3156/auric-damnation-surge-staff-build-patch-15-viable
is this build worth it any more

[stable silo]

so surge assail vent EP or warp charge ?

[stuck bridge]

this was the "cope" build

[long wharf]

because I like to focus on assail, I take EP

[tulip trench]

chunks abominations decently too. its like a faster BB

[stuck bridge]

for making surge work while it was broken

[long wharf]

EP allows you to use assail more

[half turtle]

i think 100% the best dps staff still by a pretty big margin

i think trauma might overall contribute more sometimes depending on your team though, but it's hard to quantify the value of control vs damage

[stable silo]

fair point iv found i spam the shriek or the dome so warp charges rarely stick anyway

[half turtle]

like i've definitely saved runs by knocking dogs off of people through walls with trauma blasts

[solar sand]

probably overall but ive found myself hitting top damage most consistently with purgatus

at least in damnation+

[stable silo]

purge seems fire

now

[potent echo]

It was always fire

[half turtle]

hm yeah i think purg has the "assail dps numbers" problem where it does a crapton of raw dps but a lot of it is against lower-priority targets

[tulip trench]

what should i be focusing on with purge? im struggling to get value at higher levels?

[half turtle]

vs void which is really good at putting the dps on exactly what you want, but probably less overall

[solar sand]

i think void is the best overall, more single target than surge, but not as much aoe as purge

[half turtle]

purg is really fun though

[potent echo]

Purg has infinite cleave, which staff can kill 20 maulers faster

[half turtle]

i think nothing quite matches quickswap purg > lmb for space creation too

[solar sand]

purge with EP BR feels really well rounded to me

[potent echo]

Purg only scales with density, void only does to a certain point

[solar sand]

purge single target isnt much to sniff at, hardly the best but full fire stacks puts out work

[fading iris]

thats the thing, you can do that "now" and that's why I think is a new bug, because is inconsistent, it's like... a classic FS move, they fixed a thing while creating a new one, there is an soulblaze 360 no scope bug too, but that I only see happening on the meat grinder

[gusty furnace]

Groaners and Poxwalkers don't matter until there's a crusher patrol mixed in with them

[half turtle]

yeah purg is a lot worse against mid-range gunners, crushers, bulwarks though

[gusty furnace]

then everyone loves the flamer/purgatus

[half turtle]

i don't think purg is bad

i just think void is more "reliable" dps when you need it

[gusty furnace]

Because now the groaners/poxwalkers aren't sitting there making the crusher patrol even more dangerous

[potent echo]

Soulblaze interacts really well with rending

Which you can easily get with melee slot

[severe folio]

hence mk4 and purg combo

[gusty furnace]

Groaners and Poxwalkers are a force multiplier for more dangerous enemies. They exponentially scale the threat of bruisers, ragers, maulers, bulwarks, and crushers.

Getting rid of them is always important, even if they're "low priority"

[strong gulch]

flak + unarmored / carapace

you could to flak + maniac to have a more guaranteed trapper kill. 🤷

[potent echo]

Purg also suppresses all shooters, gunners and reapers, so they can't even shoot at you

[solar sand]

yeah the cc it puts out is crazy

[half turtle]

yeah i mean i think purg is good

[solar sand]

stuns everything but the biggest stuff, which smite does

[crude cape]

Anticipation vs Empathius Evasion - which is better?

[half turtle]

i just think the dps numbers aren't exactly reflective of its effectiveness

[potent echo]

Anticipation only gives +1 dodge

[potent echo]

Void actually gets way higher damager numbers

[stable silo]

hows this build looking for the mighty surge staff

will run deimos melee

[half turtle]

yes

[potent echo]

Void should always win purg on the scoreboard

[half turtle]

i agree

[potent echo]

Just because of the crazy amount of overkill damage

[rigid rune]

I'd use Warp siphon over EP assail doesn't need help

[potent echo]

I also really like quell speed for surge

It generates too much peril

[lethal lagoon]

Assail is kind of a waste if you are running true aim surge

Smite makes more sense

But otherwise, look good.

[potent echo]

I played true aim surge for abit and I started to miss warpsiphon and quell speed

[unborn flicker]

Voids issue is how long it takes to charge up shots to be effective

[winter magnet]

should this rager have been staggered or did I miss? https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1EOwXveEIUiFCg/d1337aS4Urf4?invite=cr-MSxJbTQsMTgxODMyMjkzLA

visually at least to me it really looks like he should have been hit

[solar sand]

this is all you ever need for horde clear, id avoid assail personally, its not bad but it doesnt do anything better than most anything else

[stable silo]

what other blitz would i run with surge then?

[strong gulch]

IDK what aim thing you're talking about with surge staff RMB.

I aim it at the head, chest, whatever, and there is no discernable difference in changing what gets hit. Even aiming into the sky hitting nothing and trying to walking it down towards a head has not increased the about anything targeting or pinpoint.

Perhaps that's just been my personal luck.

[stable silo]

BB ?

[solar sand]

BR

passive application

[half turtle]

assail is basically the all-arounder now i feel like

[crude cape]

i like the look of this, dueling sword would work too. dunno if you need malefic momentum tho, i guess its decent.,
also seems you have 1 point left, im thinking spend it on 30% assail augment or puppet master maybe

[lethal lagoon]

Smite surge is the pairing.

[half turtle]

it does a lot of things ok

[crude cape]

or maybe another 15 toughness

[lethal lagoon]

Uhhh, no.

[half turtle]

hm is kinetic flayer actually good tho

i haven't tried it for a while

[gusty furnace]

good for gunker

[winter magnet]

no

[lethal lagoon]

Not for surge.

[solar sand]

as someone that uses it a lot

[gusty furnace]

Promotes swapping between assail and gun

[half turtle]

when i used it i would pop a lot of poxwalkers lol

[gusty furnace]

which stretches ammo further

[solar sand]

its great

[gusty furnace]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[fading iris]

the skills looks like a cone, but its a block in front of you, like a walkway, the rager was one pixel away from the thingy

[solar sand]

passive application is infinitely better than something you dont use

[half turtle]

makes sense, i tried it with SG + laspistol and it was pretty nice actually

although i think generally SG is not for me

[winter magnet]

feels so bad tbh

[solar sand]

since surge no longer benefits from extra smite targets, thats no longer a passive bonus, kinetic flayer is the only passive surge staff buff now

for blitzs

personally i like smite, but for specifically a surge staff build kinetic flayer is the only option

[gusty furnace]

Scrier's Gaze is weird

[ornate hamlet]

I am using assail with dueling sword and revolver, personally

[strong gulch]

Surge staff is usually at higher peril, so the benefit isn't available most of the time.

[potent echo]

SG should have some utility other than damage for it to be fun

[ornate hamlet]

Revolver to snipe specials and do other emergency damage situations, assail to deal with large groups of non-crushers or when I don't have ammo on the revolver, and dueling sword when I want to pretend psyker has quantifiable melee survivability outside of force sword builds

[strong gulch]

And if you are building into warp siphon, talent points are at a premium.

[stable silo]

i had to drop true aim to try warp siphon sadly

and i couldnt take 6 warp sipoh and keep kinetic deflection so 4 will have to do

[half turtle]

One shotting mutants on Ds headshot crit is pretty juicy tho

[strong gulch]

warp siphon is expensive

[solar sand]

if you want to just use the staff, warp siphon is easily the best, but usually surge falls off against groups, so you need horde clear, either with smite, or creeping flames, which works better with EP

or maybe a good issili

[half turtle]

Illisi is good at horde clear but it feels worse to be bogged down in melee as psyker than other classes bc of how many things you have that need channeling time

[gusty furnace]

The trick is that you just don't.

[strong gulch]

You get creeping flames back faster with warp charges and more comfy peril management with inner tranquility.

[gusty furnace]

Focus on one task at a time.

[long wharf]

which is why I prefer to use assail and keep a little distance to maximize how many heads it can hit

if things get in my face, I'll opt to back dodge first before switching to melee

[fading iris]

is your personal luck Is the aim that your are thinking, and is too inconsistant not to be a bug, you put the "crosshair" where you want, you charge and attack, no change of local indication of hit, sometimes counts as normal damage, sometimes counts as weakspot damage, sometimes counts as crit(the crit part is ok because of the crit change, it's here because is a option that can happen), I just got a visual bug now that I hit the mob and the soulblaze damage appeared as weakspot damage, and because of this, there is even a chance that is a meat grinder thing only, only thing that we can be really happy about is that at least isn't something that you hit 5 instead of the normal 200 (numbers are examples)

[half turtle]

Yeah basically

Illisi is backup horde clear to me basically

[long wharf]

I use dueling sword with assail

[half turtle]

Generally I consider the melee weapon to be a backup dps option or a mobility tool

[solar sand]

ive been enjoying this over my mk4

[half turtle]

Except for really specific situations like ds vs mutants

[gusty furnace]

Trauma Staff, Dueling Sword, Brainburst

[solar sand]

its more a whip out when i need to do 2 more damage and the lmb is quick

[gusty furnace]

I don't plan to deal with shooter lines ever

[solar sand]

than the one shot that then mk4 was

[half turtle]

Lmb them with staff ez

[half turtle]

Yes this is why I run knife a lot lol

[brittle path]

Guys, I just recently started playing as a psyker. Please advise which melee weapons are better to choose and which staves are better?

[solar sand]

ive found myself using it a lot more to do that first stab, as the time it takes to swap and charge a mk4, is the same as another staff shot, so whats the point at that point

mk4 is really only super nice for mael mutant packs imo

as i personally rarely used it otherwise

[half turtle]

what kind of playstyle are you looking for?

i think overall the dueling sword 4 is the best weapon but it relies on headshot stabs to be good and it's mediocre against hordes

basically every staff is viable too so it's kinda up to what role you want to fulfill there

[fading iris]

Run! Save yourself before is too late, psyker life is full of grimdark!

[half turtle]

looks cool

[crude cape]

gonna try this with trauma and dueling sword or deimos.
I have 1 point left. thoughts? +15 tough? tough dmg reduction? I could take -5 warp gen or 5% ranged dmg. or grab another blue talent like Mind in Motion
maybe psychic leeching?

[half turtle]

ngl psyker is so much finickier than any other class

unless you just play assail spam psyker on 4s or something i guess lol

[brittle path]

Headshots can be a problem, I liked one of the special swords (forgot the name) Their ability to charge the weapon with magic is not bad

[half turtle]

why not quell > toughness? or am i dumb and forgetting which node it's on

you quell a lot with trauma and it's often the tool you use into midrange shooter/shotgunner rooms

[solar sand]

30% quell too much to give up in any peril build imo

[brittle path]

I feel like the warp commands me, it's a pleasant feeling

[crude cape]

quietude? i have it, middle left one up top. the only one i dont take is Warp expenditure, toughness for peril generated

[half turtle]

oh woops i just got them swapped lol

[crude cape]

ya its a must for trauma imo too you're right

i do a lot of mini-quells

[solar sand]

personally i feel like the unique class mechanics make pysker more engaging than the other classes that all either shoot or melee, pysker has some extra mechanics that to me are engaging.

[crude cape]

which feels bad i dont have solidity

tbh

[half turtle]

i think there's 3 force swords, 2 of them get stuck and one of them slides right through (illisi)

[wanton sandal]

this fr. psyker has a lot more going on that veteran's "shooty shooty" or zealot's "hitty hitty". only other one that is about as unique is ogryn, but even then...

[brittle path]

I agree, it's interesting and fun to play

[zinc phoenix]

I don’t value quell speed at all personally

[half turtle]

i'd recommend illisi force sword if you don't want to deal with headshot aiming your melee

[solar sand]

orgyrn feels unique in its weapons, but its still either just shoot or just melee

[zinc phoenix]

You’re really only quelling down to 80-60 with most builds and that’s fast regardless

Or you can edge near 100

But not with smite

Well… kinda

[brittle path]

Staves are another interesting topic, is it worth taking a staff that shoots flames?

[solar sand]

EP smite you just want uptime so starting at 0 is big

[wanton sandal]

fair nuff but personally i try to quell down to 0 if there is enough of a lull in combat so i have more peril reserves to use when it picks back up, so i value quelling down there as soon as i can

[half turtle]

i find so much of my psyker gameplay is really fiddly stuff like "ok time to swap to my melee weapon so i can do a quick sprint-slide so i have space to pull out my trauma staff to knock over these ragers" and it's like some 100+APM shit sometimes

[wanton sandal]

though you can just edge your peril

[zinc phoenix]

Peril is banked toughness and also powers your damage so zero is bad

[half turtle]

purgatus is pretty good, it's basically a slightly weaker zealot flamer that pulls out really really fast so it's a lot more useful generally IMO

it has good horde control, and good dps on anything that isn't a crusher (or behind a bulwark shield)

[zinc phoenix]

I like taking smite with the “fire when you kill stuff” perks and fire on shout, it’s a lot of hot damage

[half turtle]

downside is that it has flamer range, but in practice it doesn't matter that often (although the few times it does you'll be pretty sad)

[solar sand]

personally i consider a purg build to be best overall, as imo the best rounded build is purgutas, EP brain rupture, and bubble shield, but near every pyker build is quite viable

[zinc phoenix]

And warp charges also good

[half turtle]

i actually run perilous combustion + wildfire in my stupid trauma staff build that doesn't have any other soulblaze in it at all

[zinc phoenix]

I like that psyker has a lot of good options rn

[zinc phoenix]

🤷‍♀️ it’s such good dip value

[half turtle]

perilous combustion is still busted even at 3 stacks

[spice veldt]

with regards to staff primaries, anything involving trauma is my pick for most well-rounded

[half turtle]

it's also really really good at clearing like, 10-gunner spawns

you can pop 3-4 gunners and the rest burn

[solar sand]

does truama work for damage? i assume its decent for cc but

[half turtle]

i just randomly sometimes get 6-7 shotgunner kills out of nowhere because of it

[solar sand]

ive never built one so idk

[half turtle]

it does ok damage

[spice veldt]

i don't consider trauma's damage to be remarkable

[half turtle]

it's not amazing

it takes like 3-4 pops to kill a crusher

[brittle path]

Is there any reason to use a dueling saber if it has less damage than a sword?

[fresh reef]

so apparently Surge is still bugged, somehow?
according to the subreddit whining of the week, anyway

[crude cape]

illisi is aight, i have too many hours in it im bored of it since it came out. dueling swords rn are my fave it also doesnt feel quite as strong as it did in the 75% slaughterer hayday

[spice veldt]

yes, the reason is that it does more damage

the mk4 specifically deals the most damage among the duelling swords

[half turtle]

it does the most dps specifically

the damage rating on the weapon is not adjusted for speed

but actually it's possible it just does more damage per hit too

[wanton sandal]

crit heavies oneshot mutants

[half turtle]

it definitely does on stab headshots

[wanton sandal]

and pokes ogryns to death if you get uncanny

[fading iris]

just scroll up and read the old messages, discord chat is better and cooler than reddit anyway

[wanton sandal]

feels alright to me

[brittle path]

Interesting

[crude cape]

it feels a lot worse on crushers ragers etc than it used to pre patch 13, hp buffs

but i still like it

[solar sand]

no stacks, you can one shot a damnation mutant with stacks/right build

[spice veldt]

yeah, trauma is a very safe weapon

[half turtle]

the follow-up to "it does ok damage but not amazing" though is that like, it does ok damage while keeping the entire 10 crusher + 20 mauler patrol on their butts and clearing out all the chaff in between

and you can make your own space to keep using it

so i think it does more reliable damage than voidstrike under a lot of circumstances

[spice veldt]

it's a weapon that doesn't totally give up damage for its CC, which I'm fine with

[fading iris]

The Ai Director still drunk with the weird escalations, btw

[spice veldt]

and enemies that are knocked down on the ground allows you to swap to another weapon to dink them

like a deimos/duelling sword

i find trauma to be fun for enabling melee

[half turtle]

yeah a lot of the time you can separate a single rager/bulwark/wahtever to stagger into you

and then you just pull out melee and murder him

while the other guys get up

same with stuff like flamers or dogs or even trappers

[solar sand]

any way to one shot without WS?

[half turtle]

oh you can also knock dogs out of their pounce with trauma rmb pretty reliably

[solar sand]

though mines only 78% damage

[brittle path]

I roughly understood, thank you all very much for your help

[half turtle]

unfortunately this also applies to poxbursters

[solar sand]

personally if you're coming from other classes, id start with void, as you still need to aim it, you can get lazy with surge/smite/assail etc

[half turtle]

you can just barely edge them with trauma if you miss and it'll stumble them, often towards you

[spice veldt]

all part of the plan

[solar sand]

but you really cant go wrong with anything, hard to make a bad pysker build

[spice veldt]

one-shotting bursters is one of my favorite things about it

[brittle path]

Understood thanks

[half turtle]

oh yeah it's so juicy

you can also often get like 2-3 at a time

like the ones that are hard to shove bc they're slightly staggered? no problem, big trauma circle

[fresh reef]

I once lit up the killfeed with 9 burster kills that all shared a spawn door

my frames were not happy

[strong gulch]

That's a good point.

[brittle path]

And one more question about the green demon, how to get rid of it?

[half turtle]

do you mean daemonhosts?

[bold maple]

shoot it

[half turtle]

those aren't supposed to be fought

[brittle path]

Yes

[long wharf]

I mean, you can

[tulip trench]

Which blessing do i steal?

[long wharf]

if you have bosskill, DHs aren't all that bad

[solar sand]

mk4/brain rupture, but were no thunder hammer zealot

[half turtle]

yes they're just annoying to fight and don't give you any upside

[long wharf]

an ogryn with a shield trivializes them

[half turtle]

and everyone will probably take a bunch of corruption damage even if you perfect kite it

[long wharf]

but yeah, Darktide doesn't reward you for surviving bosses, sadly

[half turtle]

but yeah like th zealot or even like, bleed knife will kill them pretty quickly and reliably

it's just... then you have a giant chunk of corruption

have fun with that

[flat moat]

What's the trauma staff good at doing? I've seen it used a few times and I'm not sure why.

[brittle path]

Today they persecuted me in the match because I couldn’t save my teammate when he was being beaten by a demon. And I was still of a low level

[half turtle]

i find especially on psyker i can take exactly 2 poxbursters before i outright die so i don't like spending health when i don't need to

[brittle path]

They said I was a bad psyker

[half turtle]

so it leaves when you only have 2 people left alive, it always aggros the person who hit it first, then it aggros whoever did the most damage

[solar sand]

im usually either full health, or dead, and there is very little in between

[rustic falcon]

If you didn’t wake up the demon there’s no reason to get mad at you imo

[half turtle]

if someone aggros it just ignore it unless your team is capable of killing one

[eager horizon]

You know what would be neat? Staff that lets you read players minds. Would be good VO opportunity!

[half turtle]

in most pub runs that don't have a th zealot (or stagger ogryn or whatever) in them i just ignore them

[brittle path]

That's the funny thing, it was they who woke him up and not me.

[rustic falcon]

Not everyone builds for DH killing, and if a thing it’s silly to build a character for it when you should be just avoiding them lol

[solar sand]

even if you need the monstrosity kills, those finish so fast in normal play i never ever feel a need to kill DHs

[half turtle]

yeah

you can get like 2-3 monstrosities in one level

[solar sand]

only times ive ever attacked a DH on purpose, was for malleus penance

and i was a shield ogryn letting others get it

[rustic falcon]

Sometimes they’re a little unavoidable but for most part other classes and specs delete them, they have some warp resistance and it’s hard for a Psyker to carry killing one

[half turtle]

the only way i've found to deal with them well as psyker is bleed knife

[rustic falcon]

Unfortunately your team was jerks

[half turtle]

but

you should just not be

[fading iris]

At least FS is consistent in one thing: Every patch they fix something, break something, change something without putting in the patch notes.

[untold widget]

I just tank the DH if possible, otherwise it just takes too long for me to kill them

[solar sand]

when they suck up the person they killed, mk4 headshots melt them but, pysker isnt usually the best for boss dps

[brittle path]

Thank you all for your help, good luck and good games

[half turtle]

they're hard af to hit with ds4 headshots until then though

[stable silo]

dam son surge staff is wild

jesus christ rofl it feels like the combat dagger of staffs

such high APM

[untold widget]

I wish that DH's gave some sort of reward. mats buff, something

they're fun to tank

sitting there watching my peril go up, dodging a bunch when I need it to go down

[lethal lagoon]

DHs giving rewards would make every pub hell lmao

[fading iris]

You get an achievement!

[untold widget]

they're free kills as far as I'm concerned

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/pawn-stars-yes-yass-awesome-gif-21935666

[half turtle]

i'd be ok with regular monstrosities dropping loot

[untold widget]

other than corruption

[half turtle]

and not dh

i don't really want to be in pub lobbies where everyone tries to aggro every dh

[lethal lagoon]

I don't want to have to run an anti-boss build to pub as well

[untold widget]

wouldnt be a "try". I'd just brain burst them and then back it into a corner until the team can get around to dealing with it

not like they can do anything to me

[thorn cedar]

https://clips.twitch.tv/ProductiveAlertTomatoBibleThump-dDjwhcID1asa3l4x

[eager horizon]

I would like wandering passive boss that drops loot. But yeah, not DH. They are more stage hazard.

[zinc phoenix]

I feel called out with my minimal boss damage lmao 😂

[gusty furnace]

seems I haven't lost my touch

I still don't understand peril

Seems like it changed in patch 13ish

I blow myself up before I reach 100% on staffs

Its really annoying

[eager horizon]

What is... peril

[spice veldt]

when i hnnng

[gusty furnace]

the explosive suicidebomber meter

[solar sand]

true peril mod helped so much

[eager horizon]

Do you want the number to be high? Or high number bad?

[gusty furnace]

100% and you blow up

[eager horizon]

Ah. Instantly?

[gusty furnace]

You want to edge yourself like a degenerate between 80 and 97% peril

No, only when you activate an ability at 100% peril

97.1% and higher on brain burst

[eager horizon]

Ah, so if I just chill at hundo its fine?

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, its what some people do for unstable power on force swords

get to 100% peril and get the 20% power boost on regular attacks

[eager horizon]

Ah, neat!

[waxen abyss]

And even then once you trigger suicide explosion you have a few seconds before you actually explode. If you have the big shout combat ability and use it, it saves you.

[eternal pike]

Wait vent saves you from blowing up?

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, Venting Shriek stops Perils of the Warp

There

[waxen abyss]

Ye

[gusty furnace]

there's literally a penance for it

[eternal pike]

That's nuts

[gusty furnace]

where you do it 50 times

[eternal pike]

Ty for info

[gusty furnace]

so close to finishing all of my class penances

[solar sand]

you get like, idk 4 seconds or so once the animation starts, ive had a few times where shriek was on CD but it came up mid animation and you can still use it

[gusty furnace]

its 3 seconds

[upbeat parcel]

I literally spend some missions just reaching 100% and shrieking non stop for it

to get it asap

[gusty furnace]

I've blown up a bunch because Shriek was at 4 seconds

[eager horizon]

Ah. Ya psykers really do have impeccable minds. Thank you for the knowledge!

[solar sand]

or if you have this, and something is like burning, ive had it save me a couple times, though i rarely use this over other things

[upbeat parcel]

that one saved me so many times

[echo frigate]

Battle meditation is mid

Just like don't succumb to the voices in your head

[solar sand]

i only use it for smite as you need all the uptime you can get

[upbeat parcel]

simply don't explode

[echo frigate]

On a serious note tho I do respect it for below like 25 psykers

Your peril resistance is assssssssssssssss

[waxen abyss]

[solar sand]

sometimes you gamble on those 98%

or i do

[waxen abyss]

You know something I realized recently there’s no psyker enemies. Were they all eated by daemons?

[gusty furnace]

Fatshark probably just doesn't know how to balance them.

Just look at Spacehulk: Deathwing

where the psyker genestealers would two shot a space marine

[solar sand]

well the point of warp corrupted pyskers is to be a door so

[gusty furnace]

Not exactly fun gameplay

especially when they're literally out of line of sight

Bombers are already infuriating enough

[upbeat parcel]

which one should I take, I have 1 skill point remaining

[gusty furnace]

I don't need a psyker enemy dealing direct HP damage through toughness

[waxen abyss]

The daemons ate them

[gusty furnace]

from out of line of sight on top of toughness breaks from out of line of sight bombers

[solar sand]

you always want quiet, thats 50% toughness per 100% peril

[upbeat parcel]

thanks I figured

[solar sand]

assuming its a peril gen build

melee a little different

[upbeat parcel]

it's a assail/voidstrike crit build

so I'm going up there a lot

[solar sand]

yeah you want that then

[waxen abyss]

Wait does count passive peril quelling?

[solar sand]

sooooo much toughness from that

like you can

not hit anything

gen peril

then quell and get toughness back

[upbeat parcel]

also everyone is gangsta until a elite is using brain burst on you

psyker enemies would be scary like that

[solar sand]

pyskers actually are surprisingly balanced in lore it seems like, i always imagined them as like, eragon magic style, one shotting armies but my limited book knowledge (17 now) suggests they are just kinda dudes that do some special stuff, but can still totally lose a fight to normal dudes with swords and bolters

[upbeat parcel]

they can't go overboard cause warp is spooky

you don't want to see a space marine psyker get possessed

[solar sand]

even kahon which has plot armor and is "stonger than magnus" is fairly killable

he got messed up by some normal space wolves on prospero

[waxen abyss]

Let’s be real normal any normal space marines are pretty op as far as power scaling from minimum to maximum 40k dude power

[solar sand]

yeah, i mean in comparable circles, like a SM pysker compared to a "normal" SM

[fresh reef]

the one bad thing about Surge is that now there's a lot of shitters playing it

[cold hornet]

there were a lot of shitters playing it when it was bugged with psionics too

[fresh reef]

true but now they're not really contributing much

[cold hornet]

now they really got to learn how to use it properly

[solar sand]

at least now it only works in the shitters hands like, below heresy

no way someone picks up surge and does damnation now

[echo frigate]

But level 15 says I can

[fresh reef]

this is a team of 3 psykers and 1 zealot
using numbers 1-4, left to right, take a wild guess who said they want EP surge back

[fading iris]

You!

[solar sand]

i still hit top damage near every match with surge, just by 50k instead of 200k

[fresh reef]

Nuh uh

[sinful peak]

Bubble is not invincible right?

[tulip trench]

no

[solar sand]

not past like, 4 seconds

[fading iris]

that bro got only 10 plasteel, thats heresy

[cold hornet]

still dies fast to gunners and reapers

[solar sand]

i think it has a minimum duration

[fresh reef]

7.5 I think, since a patch or two ago

[sinful peak]

Aight I’m not crazy then, someone told me it was but it definitely gets melted sometimes

[solar sand]

it used to turn red

as its health went down

i dont notice that anymore

[echo frigate]

The guy who took 1.4k damage @fresh reef

[solar sand]

snipers and gunners can kill it near instantly once the immortal duration ends