psyker-class

[maiden wolf]

Pretty sure Fsword has the same number of dodges regardless of its mobility stat.

[limber tartan]

But no im not using creeping flames that 50k is purely from those 2 soulblaze perks and the sword

[eager mantle]

Rmb assail still feels like ass

[burnt mulch]

it's not very damaging but it's fun to use

[plucky flax]

50k out of 630 ain't bad.

I would drop wildfire without creeping flame though.

And not use a soulblaze sword as well. Xd

[limber tartan]

Alright im gonna try that and see how much damage will fall off

[vale nacelle]

What’s the verdict on the surge staff fix?

[bleak tulip]

still broke

[limber tartan]

Well first people were complaining that its not a doom stick that you point at and the target stops existing but some people are happy with it

[crude cape]

is smite doing more dmg now after the surge fix* or am i crazy

[plucky flax]

Yeah it attacks heads.

[limber tartan]

Oh yea

Now that you mention it, uh meaby ?

I felt like i have killed people with smite and gotten 3 dd stacks but i thought i was just seeing things

[foggy breach]

Good step but there is still an issue with hitting different armor types on the same target lowering the value of +damage perks

[vale nacelle]

Back to smite spamming and Purgatus supporting while trying to roll a trauma staff.

[near wyvern]

Surge is fine

At least you can get true aim stacks

[vale nacelle]

Not when you built for armor type breakpoints.

[round summit]

spent like 2k plasteel trying to get dumdum or infernus for laspistol..

[harsh urchin]

yeah i would probably bring assail or bb with purg

[near wyvern]

Rookie numbers for blessing hunters

[limber tartan]

Yea

[harsh urchin]

just so you have some options

[round summit]

not helping

was hopeing to atleast get one of them

[limber tartan]

I do have that combo on a laspistol but im pretty sure that the infernus is only there for bosses and to keep up the dumdum stacks from falling off

[round summit]

what are these for?

like is there a way to spend them

[limber tartan]

Because on average your basic enemy is gonna take 2 max 3 headshots that are not crits with it soo infernus in majority of cases for the ligher units guarantees a kill if the target had like 50 health left

It does do more damage than soulfire but its mostly noticable on bosses when fully stack it will tick for 300 to 400

[worn canopy]

Higher tier upgrades but also they’re for eating and chewing on (we are all insane)

[mighty olive]

used in upgrading weapons / curios

[round summit]

annyoing that u have 10k of them but 0 plasteel

[mighty olive]

yeaaah >_<

[limber tartan]

You use them for upgrading items from blue to purple and to yellow

But other than that they just sit there

[round summit]

like to be honest this whole wep upgrade system this game has is so ass, why didnt they just use the vermintide one?

[limber tartan]

That is what the bones foretold

[mighty olive]

i wish they did >_<

[wooden edge]

Surge fixed

[harsh urchin]

vermintide one was too simple and not conducive for a live-service game they want you to grind

[desert mirage]

yea feels that way

[carmine kiln]

Just killed a Bulwark with my suicide, but didnt get the achievement, does anyone know why?

[harsh urchin]

vt one you basically upgraded weapon to highest tier, and put swift slaying on it and you're done

despite the problems with darktide's weapon upgrade system, it does add a good amount of replayability to the game in terms of gambling and progression.

[foggy breach]

^

I'm surprised how may people seem to miss this

[limber tartan]

I don't think that gambling is good

[harsh urchin]

i love gambling in video games

[foggy breach]

With the DT system they've made it hard so that you've always got a goal and a money sink

[harsh urchin]

the concept loot is basically gambling lol

[harsh urchin]

the system could use some improvements

but current state =

[foggy breach]

I think another issue is that people want perfect perfect weapons

[stable silo]

sure you killed one bulwark but what about seconds Bulwark or Post breakfast tea Bulwark

[harsh urchin]

1. Easy to get a useable weapon (any weapon craft 2x onto it)
2. Relatively easy to get a good weapon (any weapon with 1 relevant line, +2 crafts = 3 good lines, 1 wasted line)
3. Very hard to get BiS weapon (with 4 relevant lines)

[foggy breach]

Exactly

[harsh urchin]

the problem is that people want the perfect weapons

but most ppl who have been played like like a year, like myself

I only have a few of those

[foggy breach]

But bc of VT people think not BiS = bad

[harsh urchin]

most of my weapons have 1 decent line + 2 crafted and 1 garbage useless line LOL

[foggy breach]

And everything needs to be BiS

[desert mirage]

what is "specialist" exactly

[zinc phoenix]

Smite with the burning related perks to killing stuff and reeing seems to do ok damage after the patch

[stable silo]

the losers with green eyes and tac gear

[zinc phoenix]

Not amazing but like not zero either

[eager mantle]

Which is compounded by the shit currency earnings. Plasteel is a joke. Have 10k Diamantine and no plasteel

[harsh urchin]

any enemy type that can be highlighted that announces his/her presence

[desert mirage]

Oh so thats actually an ok perk?

[harsh urchin]

it's not useless

but not best in slot

so def an ok perk yeah

but I would probably

keep the crit chance over it

[foggy breach]

You know that triangle of enemies in the psykanium with the dog, trapper, and sniper in it? Everything there, I think

[zinc phoenix]

Damage vs x perks are only good if they help you reduce the number of attacks to kill the thing

So it’s worth checking what will happen

[round summit]

actuelly supried there is people defending the wep upgr system

[harsh urchin]

the upgrade system is shit dude.. nobody is defending that garbage

but we do understand why it exists in the way it does

[zinc phoenix]

IMO the weapon system is a lot like being sodomized daily by an angry bear

At first you’re really upset and outraged but eventually you get used to it

[foggy breach]

From fatsharks perspective though I can see why it's how it is and why they probably won't change it

[zinc phoenix]

That said, you still hate that fucking bear

[harsh urchin]

it's like taxes; nobody actually wants it or wants to pay taxes, but then you realize why taxes exists and you stop being super whiny about it

[limber tartan]

Clearly there something about the crafting systemw ill be done in the future

[zinc phoenix]

Fuck taxes tho

[limber tartan]

After all diamantine is literally useless

[harsh urchin]

fr man

[zinc phoenix]

Paying the government to pay people to sit on their ass 👌 great use of money

[limber tartan]

Itm might as well stop existing after you've played the game for a while

[round summit]

i think it was created cuz originaly they wanted to ad plasteel/diamantine for real money but realised the backlash would be to much

[limber tartan]

And besides we still have that thing with max +80% modifiers for weapon stats

If they wanted it to be max it would be 100% surely

[plucky flax]

Trauma with 100% charge rate

[zinc phoenix]

I’m extremely doubtful obese fish is that stupid

[weary valley]

Two quick questions:

1. Can soulblaze trigger a crit?
2. If so, would that crit proc talents like Mettle (critical hits replenish 5% toughness)?

[foggy breach]

That's a good analogy

Unfortunately you've got a ton of people IRL who hate taxes with all their being and some of them play Darktide

[zinc phoenix]

The reeing would have broken a hole in spacetime

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah well if you paid taxes you’d know why

40% of my income up in smoke every year

[harsh urchin]

ok bro at least ur in america

[foggy breach]

DoT can't crit. The purgatus staffs attack can crit and will inflict twice as many stacks of blaze on a crit

[harsh urchin]

in places like europe

they take like 70% of it

[zinc phoenix]

Meanwhile cities falling apart, crime nuts, house prices to the moon

[harsh urchin]

and fund GREEN shit

[weary valley]

Thank you

[foggy breach]

If you're paying that much you're probably earning a bunch of money as well

[harsh urchin]

imagine being forced to pay to make paper straws more prevalent

[zinc phoenix]

That’d put me in maximum mald mode it’s true

[zinc phoenix]

Indeed every day I wake up and pour myself a bowl of nickels

Aww you edited it like a lamer

[zinc phoenix]

Not even good for environment the malding intensifies

[weary valley]

Is Smite a DoT?

[eager mantle]

I wouldn't mind the upgrade system. But I'm still not rewarded with materials with my actual gameplay. I get no bonus of currency or materials from X monstrosity encounters. Or like medals or ribbons in other games for accomplishments in game. I only get rewarded to upgrade my weapon by running around and looking for it like I'm scrounging for spare change at home

[harsh urchin]

apparently people in germany also look at u weird if u eat meat

[foggy breach]

No smite is a normal attack

[harsh urchin]

cuz eating meat is like bad for the environment or some shit

[weary valley]

Thank you

[zinc phoenix]

I’d be fine paying taxes if the government stopped sucking absolute ass at providing services

[harsh urchin]

but fuck those ppl, cuz i love bbq

[zinc phoenix]

Thank god the military still has their shit together

[mighty olive]

mmm bbq

[glossy ember]

what was bro cooking, he didn't even go down last

[mighty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/tintador-bbq-whoa-dance-happy-gif-20838942

[round summit]

thats what i mean, they prob were gona do it but then saw the backlash they got at launch and were like: yeah this is a bad idea

[foggy breach]

Get out and vote for better candidates, or volunteer for a candidate who you'd like to have win. Or run for local office yourself.

[round summit]

just candidate bro

[harsh urchin]

to be fair; america's military is kinda fucked too LOL

they're trying to do "inclusive hiring"

instead of trying to hire the biggest baddest motherfuckers

which i think is good

but at the same time

i want the army to be big muscular men, just from a purely logical perspective

[carmine kiln]

you don't need big muscular men for paperwork positions tho

[harsh urchin]

true

but i'm talking about the people who have guns and shoot ppl

[prime elk]

small people = small targets, common sense

[zinc phoenix]

Or for using your sexbox controller to blyat russkies from your UAV

[carmine kiln]

those are mostly big muscular men

if u look at any combat unit, u will see almost nothing else

[digital narwhal]

Out of curiosity, anyone here concerned that Perilous Combustion is still way too strong?

[foggy breach]

The army runs on it's logistics. Big muscle men are good for shooting people but less good for organizing their 10 man tail

[eager mantle]

Majority of roles in the military aren't infantry

[zinc phoenix]

Also SOF positions still have the “too swole to control” requirements

One lady got diversity hired in and immediately quit in a murderous rage because she thought it was bullshit

[wooden edge]

do i want either of these blessings

like should i give it to hadron or just scrap or keep

[zinc phoenix]

people who go for that shit do not want to find out they were given an extra in

[foggy breach]

When it comes to the 10 man tail you need as many mechanics, quartermasters, paperwork jockies, medics, and engineers as you can gather

[harsh urchin]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6eqM3BUkq4

this is pretty funny

[wooden edge]

https://tenor.com/view/rowboat-girlyman-roboute-guilliman-space-marines-warhammer-warhammer40k-gif-26642736

[eager mantle]

I would just use them as is until you get a 360 or higher modifier weapon. Then scrap their blessings

[zinc phoenix]

It’s even funnier when you realize that the gen z anime goobers joining the military today will still clean the clock of the Russian and Chinese muscle men without even stressing

Also lmao Chinese recruits are terrible

[harsh urchin]

well to be fiar

it's only because

US has

drones

[zinc phoenix]

Economist did a big review on Chinese military

[wooden edge]

aight sounds good also i just realized i posted this in psyker chat :/

[harsh urchin]

and shit

[zinc phoenix]

Apparently they have a 90% myopia rate and their best recruits get stress fractures from daily marches at more than double the rate of the lower tier of American recruits 😂

It’s comical how useless they are at anything other than adverts

[wooden edge]

the chinese military is just all show honestly

[zinc phoenix]

Imagine you’re trying to do a march on a normal fall day and a tenth of the formation falls out because their bones are snapping 😂

[north cradle]

Reminds me of when I had walking pneumonia for about two-thirds of my time in boot camp

[wooden edge]

to give them some credit i think the j-20 is less of a walmart f-22 than the su=57

[zinc phoenix]

Blessed life for you 😂

[zinc phoenix]

When the engines aren’t busy falling off or failing to start

[north cradle]

It was awful, but somehow I never got dropped

My unwillingness to spend more time in San Diego overruled my lungs I guess

[zinc phoenix]

Beats Parris island

[north cradle]

True, but either way is drill instructors

[zinc phoenix]

Lived there for years, would get cancer before moving back

[north cradle]

Oooof you were stationed at the island?

[zinc phoenix]

Parents were, army brat

But they were working for navy by then

[north cradle]

That'll do it ya

[zinc phoenix]

Dating drill instructor daughter is truly an experience

[north cradle]

Was she on top

[zinc phoenix]

I’ve met bulldogs with less bite

[north cradle]

Hell yeah

Come to think of it, I was on Edson Range a couple years ago with the rest of my company to shoot, except I already qual'd a couple months prior with the unit I was augmenting, so I was kinda just putzing around the pits all day. But a lot of us gathered around to hear the recruits getting thrashed during the evening and before their hikes

Fun to hear the pain from the other side

[night crater]

Any must-haves for this?

[zinc phoenix]

Not stam 😂 but you knew that

[night crater]

Yeah

[north cradle]

Can't go wrong with Flak and Maniac

[night crater]

I don't really have many blessings so I don't want to waste the second mod

[round summit]

i was at a military operation last wwek, listend to immortal imperium everyday for the hype

[harsh urchin]

prob start over tbh

[north cradle]

Oh wait you have Sustained Fire on there

[harsh urchin]

this one is kinda fucked

i would want flak + maniac + dumdum at the very least

[summer prairie]

only deathspitter is good

[north cradle]

Ya Dumdum good

[foggy breach]

Pisces the 5'4" skinny nonbinary recruit can still shoot an assault rifle and Ivanokov the 6'2" musclebound spetnaz is gonna die if you shoot him, especially considering that the us military has dumped tons of cash into making our AR go through armor better

Ah wait is the convo over

[zinc phoenix]

I mean it’s more likely ol picese will be teabagging Ivan with a UAV tbh

[north cradle]

Me at Northern Strike '22

[harsh urchin]

good enough = flak + maniac + dumdum
perfect = flak + maniac + dumdum + (other dmg blessing)

[untold niche]

best voice for psyker?
also male or female

[zinc phoenix]

👑

[north cradle]

Army Major brought some ramen packs over, I hatched an idea to boil some water at the coffee machine and use it to make proper hot ramen

[harsh urchin]

if you can afford, I would roll another colum

[zinc phoenix]

Instant promotion

Enjoy life as a PowerPoint commando

[round summit]

cool. i only do military part time, and not from murica

[north cradle]

Half the command tent agreed that I should have gotten an LOA if they could give me one for that

[north cradle]

I'm a reservist too

I got promoted to Sergeant six months ago

[untold niche]

anyone plos

[zinc phoenix]

🪦

[round summit]

o7

honestly being part time military is real fkn nice, the people u meetup with are always so nice, hard working and positive, also i get to keep my ak at home

[upbeat parcel]

yall should be in the vet chat not psyker chat

[round summit]

also extra cash and free exercise

[sinful peak]

fem savant

[foggy breach]

That's also true, I just wanted to point out that even in a face to face 1 v 1 guns only physical capability doesnt really matter much

[silk hawk]

which one?

[night crater]

What does sustained fire even do? Doesn't seem to have any effect

[foggy breach]

Male schizophrenic (I'm definitely not biased because this is the only one I've used)

[upbeat parcel]

use the 542 one imo

[zinc phoenix]

I mean for artillery you do want swole guys tho

Those shells are beeeg

[silk hawk]

kay then...

[zinc phoenix]

People get absolutely fucked up doing that job

My grandad was 8in nuclear artillery during Korea and that was its own special brand of crazy

[untold niche]

hwo do you get the shizo one LOL

[round summit]

you need to have good physique to be infantry to, or atleast decent, there are people who cant even walk after the day wearing everything

[foggy breach]

That's true. Technology has yet to surpass Kevin, pvt, who benches 200 and has 3 monsters in him

[hearty wave]

is this good? do i cash out or keep gambling

[zinc phoenix]

Dang only 3 😂

[untold niche]

ngl i tried all and they all sound bad ;-;

[upbeat parcel]

that's super good warp resistance is a dump stat

[foggy breach]

its early in the day

[silk hawk]

its good, pray that hadron dont brick it

[foggy breach]

its the one who talks about his beloved

[zinc phoenix]

Whatever you do don’t pick the ones that talk about the fucking lex Atoma because they will never STFU about it

[upbeat parcel]

loner is the schizo one I think

[zinc phoenix]

Lex this lex that lex lex lex

[north cradle]

No that's Seer

[foggy breach]

anyway clearly the military need to next invest in an exosuit for kevin

[north cradle]

Seer is "My Beloved"

[zinc phoenix]

My character is definitely a lexbian

[silk hawk]

ATOMA WILL RAISE AGAIN!

[north cradle]

Loner is "fuck all of you"

[upbeat parcel]

female Seer is my favorite cause u talk shit to Zealots

[foggy breach]

isn't the the one voiced by sienna or something

[untold niche]

which one is that

[zinc phoenix]

that’s goin in the lex

[untold niche]

or u meant it as one of the background options

[zinc phoenix]

Also she never shuts the fuck up about protocol

Altho that one is at least self aware enough to say things like “I bet nobody here even knows what protocol means”

[silk hawk]

oh... thats my character thou Xd

[bleak tulip]

she just had the least annoying voice

so I picked her

still wouldnt change tho

[uneven compass]

My fav is female Savant. The French accent one I think

[zinc phoenix]

I see you are a fellow homolexual

[north cradle]

No Vermintide VAs are any playable characters, but they do sound really close

Fem Seer Psyker as Sienna and Brawler Ogryn as Bardin. They're scary close though

[untold niche]

male savant is good but too many people pick that im tired of hearing his voice

[bleak tulip]

I low key never hear male savant lol

[north cradle]

In this house, we hate Haiti

[zinc phoenix]

Incomparable mind voice guy makes me want to put a bullet in my brain

[north cradle]

We like chipper and happy-go-lucky Seer Psyker

[zinc phoenix]

During beta and release week 99.9999999% of psyker were that guy

[digital narwhal]

I like the Male Savant.
He's pretty grounded.

[untold niche]

i like his sound but i hear taht voice alot

[hoary badge]

Msavant has better lines than FSavant

[zinc phoenix]

I do like French lady acting as tertium tourguide tho it’s some funny shit

[north cradle]

But the personalities have the exact same generic voice lines

[hoary badge]

at least for me

[zinc phoenix]

“And here’s where we do killer festivals… when there aren’t a billion heretics”

[bleak tulip]

Superb

[zinc phoenix]

Zooperv

[north cradle]

It's only the longer "bonding" conversations where you hear unique dialogue between genders of the same personality

[hoary badge]

the personalities have different bonding interactions

[zinc phoenix]

Some use the whip, others the handcuff

[untold niche]

actually what does the background things do
theres only thee personality / voices right
does background optionsa ffect that?

[foggy breach]

"i've killed such a lot of people, good thing none of this is real"

[zinc phoenix]

It affects some of the voice lines

[hoary badge]

I don't hear Fseer enough

[zinc phoenix]

Some of the choices have very few lines and are absurdly repetitive

[untold niche]

seer is too "trying to sound more high pitch"

[untold niche]

which ones exactly

[zinc phoenix]

Idk man I made this lexbian like a year or more ago

[untold niche]

i don't see any planet called lex something

am i dumb

[zinc phoenix]

Also gotta say if you’re a new psyker take health curios

[untold niche]

im crucis->moebian shrinegaurd-> visions -> psychic awakening

[zinc phoenix]

Number one thing you can do to ease the transition

Because psyker has glass knees

[foggy breach]

i think he's talking about the lex atoma aka tHe LaW

[limber tartan]

Psyker is reaaaally squishy

[bleak tulip]

would sure be fun if we had a way to check what background we picked because I couldnt tell you if my life depended on it

[zinc phoenix]

I wish they would do some goofy crime show lines

Like “book em danno” and whatnot

Or “better take what’s left of this one downtown for processing”

[foggy breach]

i wish we could change em

[uneven compass]

Same lol. With how much female Savant talks about being an enforcer id change my whole background to fit it better

[bleak tulip]

I mean the whole point is that you cant make your character perfect so I get why its limited, I just wish I could see it lmao

[untold niche]

is that one of the bg options? genuinely cant see any options called "lex"

[zinc phoenix]

God yes

[hoary badge]

I prefer wounds for new psykers because they're getting themselves blown up a lot, both in the sense of difficulty spikes and perils

[zinc phoenix]

Odds are newbie doing malice so bonus wounds

[foggy breach]

no it's not

[hoary badge]

it's just a funny book

[untold niche]

nah im +11 on oggie and +9 on zealot

[bleak tulip]

honestly beginner stuff is 1h 1t 1w
stacking more wounds is not necessary since you get more on lower diff and you get the most value

[untold niche]

oggie too easy, zealot, very situational :v

[zinc phoenix]

Wound zealot is extra based

[hoary badge]

that the psyker metamorphically throws at people who need a proper finger waggin

[uneven compass]

I think I have double health 1 wound setup which has worked well for Auric damnation

[plucky flax]

Turn that wound into another hp or toughness.

[untold niche]

best height for psyker? default or slightly higher

[foggy breach]

probably short

you don't need to be headshotting height for much and you can hide in corners better

[plucky flax]

75% ish for easy headshot (melee/voidstrike)

[untold niche]

wouldn't that make peircing voidstrike shots hard

[frigid zenith]

Go big or go home.

[hoary badge]

I made mine slightly taller for better headhunting

[foggy breach]

thats true

i don't play voidstrike

and i wish you could change your height after making the character

[untold niche]

wait is the default height the height of the infested?

[plucky flax]

You can with mod.

[hoary badge]

it also helped back when bb was default and you needed to pick something out of the horde

[untold niche]

at 75% can you like headshot 4 people in a straight line? :v

[plucky flax]

Idk mate I used mod to change height. In the mod slider I have my psyker at 80% I think.

[untold niche]

i see, what mod?

[plucky flax]

I forgot what it's like in the default character making screen.

It's called height changer.

[hoary badge]

what's the max target limit of smite?

[unborn flicker]

I can’t believe people are actually trying to optimize their height to be as effective as possible. You guys take it to the next level I swear to God Emperor.

[hoary badge]

Welcome to video games I guess

[desert mirage]

i want to get that spreading flame blessing for my sword

[untold niche]

dude the female armour is ugly

[limber tartan]

Im pretty sure it looks the same as it does for a dude

Meaby its the woman part you don't like in it

[untold niche]

wait was there a red version of this

i might have just bought the wrong cosmetic :v

[blazing echo]

Lol what female armour?

[untold niche]

whats before this one?

like the "expired" one before this one

iirc there was some sick red cosmetic

[hearty wave]

whats the best dueling sword

[foggy breach]

mk 4

[hot zephyr]

Need some help salvaging this Purgatus.
I have warp flurry banked, so i can rebless over one of these garbos, but I think I need to fix one of the perks too so I can't fix both blessings.

[limber tartan]

Damage wise its Mk4, Mk 5 does not have the damage that MK4 does but it has good defense stat that helps a lot, Mk 2 is the middle child

[opal pebble]

Is 2 the best defense against getting horde swamped?

[hearty wave]

is this good

idk how to feel abt cleave dmg

[plucky flax]

It's not needed.

[steel flame]

Great swordo

[opal pebble]

Looks really good to me, I don’t think cleave is imp

[limber tartan]

Mk5 gets you 1 more dodge, more dodge distance, decreased push cost and decresed sprint cost

[steel flame]

I like cleave for mine cause it's also my horde clear, but for a staff build cleave damage isn't needed

[limber tartan]

Mk4 has 7% dodge increasei think, mk5 has 15% which is huge

[hearty wave]

thank you

[limber tartan]

Also you can push block a lot longer

Soo i guess its good for horde defence

[foggy breach]

this is top tier, your 3 damage stats are all basically max and you should have enough mobility for max dodges

[foggy breach]

very hard to salvage. you basically need warp nexus and warp flurry, though between the two nexus is probably better. crit does a lot on purg bc it doubles your burn application

[noble trellis]

stamina swapped for ranged crit chance, barrage swapped for nexus for more double burn procs
terrifying does essentially nothing on purgatus, but RnG at least has the niche use of getting hordes out of the way

[foggy breach]

that would also work

[noble trellis]

@foggy breach is right that this is a pretty hard salvage

[steel flame]

On note of mk4 I think penetration is probably the stat to dump cause uncanny just makes it redundant

I wouldn't bother trying to salvage bad rolls on surge or purgatus staves, they have the smallest blessing pools meaning they are by far the easiest to get what you want with

[foggy breach]

yeah, its nice having only 3 t4 blessings

you'll usually get at least one good blessing per hadron

[steel flame]

It's nice for rolling but it sucks for fun

[foggy breach]

I can't think of what else they'd put on it

[steel flame]

Put surge on surge

[plucky flax]

Give surge blazing spirit t4.

[steel flame]

Make new blessings specific to each stave

[orchid shadow]

Out of all the games I've played, I finally found a player that I neeeever want to be in a pug with again. I held off a horde with 1 hp with the rest of my health corrupted, rescued the whole team and then what does this dude do? He goes and takes the only charge in the medstation. wtf...

[steel flame]

I demand a Surge and blazing spirits surge staff IMMEDIATELY @FATSHARK

[north cradle]

I think I'm going to swap from Toughness Curios to Health. I hate getting two-tapped by Poxbursters

[plucky flax]

Warp nexus surge on surge would be cracked.

Crit all the times.

[foggy breach]

that would be funnn

[steel flame]

It's the easiest way to solve it's low tier status

[north cradle]

Poxbursters make me miss Blightstormers so badly

[plucky flax]

Give blitz blessings. Let me put handcannon on it.

[noble trellis]

something you can also do, assuming you get at least one good perk roll
is proactively rebless t3 terrifying on a purgatus before upgrading to make rolling t4 terrifying impossible
and then roll on whatever blessing (nexus/flurry) you didn't get

that would avoid a scenario where you have run and gun and get t4 terrifying

[steel flame]

surge is literally the crit staff, give it goddam crit blessings

[plucky flax]

Best we can give you is terrifying barrage so you can scare people.

[stuck finch]

WHEN NOONE IS KILLING YOUR SMITED TARGETS

[foggy breach]

surge don't get crit blessings to keep it weak

surge with crit blessings would becomes too powerful

one might even say... unlimited powah

[stuck finch]

everyone is all too happy to kill my brain burst target but as soon as mass of enemies is stunlockdd then they get shy...

[orchid shadow]

I'm convince the Surge staff was the last staff they implemented and they went, "Screw it. Good enough, ship it!". Only 5 blessings, one of which is terrifying barrage which is utterly useless.

[foggy breach]

to be fair, purgatus also only has a handful of blessings

though on it's case its mostly because theres not much to do with it

[delicate stratus]

Be cool if there was a blessing that made the flame stream bigger the longer you held it

[plucky flax]

Only 3*

[delicate stratus]

Or changed up the puff into a ranged fireball

[plucky flax]

Oh you mean counting non t4.

[noble trellis]

there's ups and downs to having a small or large blessing pool
voidstrike having variety is cool, but trying to get nexus + surge is

[plucky flax]

Try making a blaze trauma it's worse.

[ornate hamlet]

What ability should I go with? I feel like the dome shield will be good to keep people safe but the shockwave is really good for crowd control

[plucky flax]

Since there's a t3 blessing.

[orchid shadow]

Oh crap, true. I keep forgetting Tier 4 only has 3.

[ornate hamlet]

But for crowd control I’m already rocking bio lighting

[noble trellis]

I'm personally rocking the dome in director's new gunner spam meta
just makes trying to coordinate people much easier, and while blocking ragers is nice I just prefer the 360, especially on carnival

[delicate stratus]

Bubble good. Shout good. Shame that 'UNLIMITED POWER' is bad.

[orchid shadow]

Make a build for both, and swap to whichever you think your team is going to need for the particular map.

[ornate hamlet]

Good point, I just like fus ro dah cause it removes peril

But bubble is safe

Bubble is life

Bubble is everything

[wooden edge]

what perks do i want for surge staff

rn i got carapace and maniac

[orchid shadow]

Bubble and Screm have lots but very different utility.

[ornate hamlet]

Ya one is more defensive while the other is offensive crowd control

[foggy breach]

step one is make sure you have nexus and flurry for blessings

[ornate hamlet]

Which is why I like bio lighting to

You can stun an entire horde with just one button

https://tenor.com/view/power-starwars-unlimited-power-gif-15939349

Plus I go full Palpatine

[noble trellis]

^ if you already have carapace/maniac without rerolling get flurry/nexus
If you only need to rebless for one of those, change carapace for flak

[delicate stratus]

hm what blessings are considered good for trauma?

I like making mans explode

[orchid shadow]

Screm can also knock doggos off people from a long distance and through walls. And if you're running smite, you can follow up with Screm + Creeping flames and repeat.

[ornate hamlet]

If each class gets a dlc, I want us to become grey knights

[spice oar]

Yk thats not gonna happen because of like, an infinite amount of reasons

Including that we were told there is no space marines in this game

[ornate hamlet]

Ya one we’d have to kill the entire mourning star, we’d have to purge the planet, this entire heretic cult would be on shot

One storm bolter and it’s over

[foggy breach]

there are so many reasons the rejects can't become grey knights. theres also many reasons why the grey knights wouldn't come to atoma

[wooden edge]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-silly-warhammer40000-space-marine-purge-intensifies-gif-7691332

[foggy breach]

this is currently like, a 1-2 ultramarine problem, let alone a grey knight problem

[wooden edge]

tbf i think if it got genuinely bad enough they might show up but as of now there's no reason for them to look at atoma at all

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-grey-knights-gif-25209492

[wooden edge]

im so bad at chaos gate

im about to hit morbus level 3 and probably 4

[tired jackal]

greyknights will come in spirit, when the new weapons we get a force halberd 😛

[vagrant frigate]

just started zealot and i got this

:x

white to orange

[wooden edge]

sir this is a wendy's

[strong gulch]

Just sat down at my computer and whoops. I left darktide running over night and all day.

[vagrant frigate]

free hours

[strong gulch]

pro strat

[wooden edge]

aka how i wracked up 4k hours in destiny 2

[strong gulch]

😂

[plucky token]

THEY FIXED SURGE STAFF WOOPEEE

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-dance-party-fireball-dance-concert-gif-17491730

[blazing echo]

Now THATS a duelling sword

[upbeat parcel]

surge bros we're so back

[silk hawk]

aye

[plucky token]

https://tenor.com/view/attack-smite-dawn-of-babylon-trailer-magical-power-lightning-gif-20592463

[silk hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/ezap-ezappers-ezapdao-ezapalpha-zappers-gif-24908014

[vast sonnet]

So how should I run my surge staff now that it has been fixed in both dealing randomasslol damage and EP not affecting it anymore?

[upbeat parcel]

crit surge is my personal favorite

[fading iris]

Today is a good day, my beloved surge staff fixed and Starfield finally getting the dlss out of beta and on live

[unborn flicker]

https://deltiasgaming.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/03/Destiny-2-Arc-Warlock-Stormcaller.gif

[upbeat parcel]

cw: destiny 2

[strong gulch]

Yeee just checked the patch notes. Surge staff has been fixed.

[plucky token]

Honestly Surge Staff really isin't bad even without the broken EP Damage it had.

[unborn flicker]

I want a force sword that lets you do this https://i.imgur.com/vNHxFRa.gif

[plucky token]

I prefer it for it's quick ease of use and stopping power

[vast sonnet]

I know, but mine was set up using EP before and I haven't touched it since.

[strong gulch]

Too bad smite was also fixed.

[plucky token]

I like being a Support Psyker so I ussually just go Warp Charges now anyway. For Bubble Spam.

[unborn flicker]

In higher elo support pysker is the only way

[strong gulch]

@near wyvern Surge staff is more fixed now!! But so is smite. 🥲 No more true aim with smite.

edited to change "fixed" to "more fixed"

[unborn flicker]

You get mobed by crushers otherwise

[upbeat parcel]

I only play auric and crit psyker can hold it's own there

[delicate stratus]

I find trauma staff the best support psyker staff imo

[plucky token]

Eh I never used Smite for the damage, mostly for the stun.

[glossy ember]

@near wyvern wondering about something for surge staff. Unarmoured guarentees a kill on shotgunners yes, but wouldn't crit rate, carapace or potentially unyielding be better still?
Unarmoured: Shotgunners (guarentees 1 hit) and Dreg Gunners
Carapace: Mauler, Crusher, Reaper, Bulwark.
Unyielding: Reaper/bulwark + bosses (something about how it does more damage to bosses now?)

crit rate affects all targets technically

[plucky token]

It stops a horde of maulers in their tracks

or ragers

[unborn flicker]

Its ok but it tosses enemies around and behind your allies

[glossy ember]

almost fixed

[unborn flicker]

So it can be a tool for good or for troll

[delicate stratus]

Only if they're crushers/bulwarks otherwise it's close to a 1-2 shot most of the time.

And stunlocking crushers/bulwarks until they die is a good thing imo

[glossy ember]

you hit random armor parts still so you don't gain 25% damage from flak on some targets like shotgunner or mauler if you're unlucky

[upbeat parcel]

testing my surge rn and u can still feel the nerf but it's better

killing crushers in 4 full charged hits

[unborn flicker]

sadge

[delicate stratus]

A bit sadge yeah

[upbeat parcel]

I might have to respec into crit if I still want it to delete shit

[plucky token]

it's atleast usable now

[strong gulch]

Not for damage. While surge staff was fecked, smite would get you 5 weakspot hits and get you to a guaranteed crit with true aim without consuming it. You could set up guaranteed crits easily for something like revolver.

[glossy ember]

3 crits without carapace or 1 crit 2 rmb with carapace iirc

on perk

[strong gulch]

wtf

[fading iris]

It's because there was 2 fixes that were helping surge that came in the same patch of the cosmetic bug, so ppl that where using the EP bug and because of the warp rider always 10% where getting the wrong message about surge

[unborn flicker]

So are they ever fixing enfeeble or is that a lost cause?

[glossy ember]

https://streamable.com/8dytme

[upbeat parcel]

this is the staff I was testing with btw it's not the best but it's decent

[plucky token]

Yeah surge wasn't nerfed it was fixed, it was never suposed to do that much damage.

Not with it's auto target easy of use.

[glossy ember]

oh yeah you need flak %

definitely too important

[fading iris]

I was playing without EP bug and didn't change for the body parts bug

[carmine kiln]

what is the difference between the 3 force swords?

[fading iris]

I was carried by 2 god roll surge staffs, but booi there was a lot of gaming™

[unborn flicker]

two suck one target, one is a power sword

[upbeat parcel]

illisi is for horde clear, obscurus can single target and horde clear, and the last one is giga single target

[carmine kiln]

thanks

[fading iris]

and a lot of "dangitdangitdangitnoteammatedon'tbedumdumdangitdangitdangit"

btw, playing the bell at the carnival map is mandatory

[upbeat parcel]

I wish the bell summoned a horde if you played it

they'll sneak patch that in and fuck people up

[strong gulch]

The nerf was from random body parts, not the EP bug fix. They tried to give surge a cosmetic change with translated to less damage.

[vast sonnet]

Should I get carapace or flak for my surge now? I can only have one of them

[upbeat parcel]

flak imo

[plucky token]

Yeah I got a surge staff from Melk that had almost perfect rolls. The only thing that rolled shitty was quell speed.

But I roll the reduced Quell speed talent so I don't really notice it.

[upbeat parcel]

you're no longer deleting crushers but you're still staggering them

so might as well move damage elsewhere since crushers will be a team effort now

[plucky token]

Crushers I just ping them and Smite stun lock them for the team ussually.

[sweet pelican]

Hello friends i come from ogryn channel , i am here to try out Psyker cuz i like when they kill people

my most important question wich is best female one?

[barren arch]

quick question: what are the stats people look for in Chainswords?

[plucky token]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-orb-orb-pondering-pondering-my-orb-pondering-my-orb-meme-gif-24505649

Welcome

[upbeat parcel]

Loner is the best one imo

Savant is the least interesting interactions wise imo

[harsh urchin]

lol wait

[rugged hare]

nahhh the seer is pretty good

[harsh urchin]

so surge is still

hitting random body parts

[plucky token]

I always choose female Loners she's so bitchy

[harsh urchin]

just doing full damage now

[rugged hare]

sounds much better than the othres imo

[fading iris]

I got a god roll upgrade earlier after a long time without any upgrade, I lost 2% damage but gained so much is stupid, took time but came swinging

[harsh urchin]

so flak is still fucked?

[sweet pelican]

how about the male ons

are they any good

[upbeat parcel]

same thing to male ones

avoid savant

[plucky token]

Seer is the one that always says 'Beloved' and talks crazy.

Savant is french....nuff said.

[sweet pelican]

all i know the scary german one

[barren arch]

I like 'em all tbh, they all have their flavor
Savant is pretty serious, and has a bit of a French accent that works for me
Seer sounds batshit insane and I can't help but smile at some of their lines
Loner has a shrill and very snide way of speaking I find

[rigid rune]

Female savant has good high peril lines

[upbeat parcel]

seer is so funny

seer talks shit to zealots it's the one voice that does it

[sweet pelican]

i do like that scream savant i think does somethink about shes losing control when iw as playing ogryn

i think savant screams shes losing control?

[barren arch]

ye for the Warp Sneeze ult

[upbeat parcel]

probably shriek ult

[plucky token]

Savant = Serious Tone

Seer = Silly/Lunatic Tone

Loner = Resentful/Bitchy Tone

[sweet pelican]

i do like loner male one

[serene roost]

I wish I could change the voice

[sweet pelican]

but i think savant female sounds abit cool

[upbeat parcel]

I levelled another psyker just to change voices

[barren arch]

btw yeah guys, if you know, what are the stats I want on my Chainsword vs not want?

[upbeat parcel]

check the pinned guide there's a clear answer there

I've never used chainswords

[sweet pelican]

do u guys have something like ogrynomics?

[barren arch]

oh enat, Atheneum got pinned

[upbeat parcel]

yeah we do

[sweet pelican]

oh i see it in pinned

i read

[upbeat parcel]

zealots and vets don't they're just insane like that

[bleak tulip]

sure wish a shout didnt fully wake up a dh

[sweet pelican]

ngl i was originally a vet then i went ogryn but now i wana try psyker out cuz they look fun

[barren arch]

ayy and it got updated today, ery noice

[bleak tulip]

first time in ages I triggered one lmao

[sweet pelican]

i just dont know what staff to use while lvling

[barren arch]

that's the neat part about Psykers - you don't have to

[upbeat parcel]

just use them as you unlock them

[sweet pelican]

but i like staff

[upbeat parcel]

to try them all

[sweet pelican]

makes sense

[strong gulch]

My favorite the Seer. Older sounding and is affraid of doors opening and gets exited about stairs. Talks a lot about their beloved.

[hot zephyr]

Dump mobility, everything else you want as much of as you can get. Athenium recommends:

1. Shredder/Damage
2. Finesse/Penetration
3. Mobility

[sweet pelican]

oh yea i think i heard the male version always screaming stairs

[fading iris]

can't wait for one of those squares on part 2 of the update being "new voices and you can change your vox"

[strong gulch]

Seer sees stairs and screams. Yes this is accurate.

It's like seer was meant to use trauma staff. Trauma staff no likey stairs.

[raven quail]

Seer is most entertaining imo

[eager mantle]

I love when picking up a zealot she can go "I'm touching you, you're cursed now" or something like that

[hot zephyr]

I enjoy Loner, he/she has the best voice lines when popping your ult.

[raven quail]

“No beloved… I couldn’t possibly do that! He’s on our side!”

[fading iris]

the best conversation still Veteran convincing Ogryn to get a pet zealot

[ornate hamlet]

"worship me or die"

[barren arch]

face my incomparable wrath

[hot zephyr]

I dunno, the veteran/psyker interaction about what terra is like is pretty fun

[fading iris]

Nah, The Emperor is chill, just remember that the dude is always on extreme pain

[hot zephyr]

Especially if you take the black ships background

[fading iris]

Hm, I remember one about Holy Terra but is so small

I probably need more level to unlock the full thing

[hot zephyr]

The psyker needs the black ships background

[ornate hamlet]

And sanctioned (assuming they already don't)

[hot zephyr]

Then the conversation goes straight up heretical

[fading iris]

The one I get is like "Holy Terra is far AF, innit" end, no more lines about it.

[hot zephyr]

I don't wanna spoil it. but it's fantastic.

[fading iris]

very nice

[hot zephyr]

BY THE FIVE!

[fading iris]

my quell speed is so stupid now because of the +20% that I got on the upgraded god roll

and I can spam more LMB

[fluid knot]

What was this dude?

[strong gulch]

In the meatgrinder and seeing this now. Ugh.

[glossy ember]

it's mostly a bad thing on shotgunner/mauler

others don't have their breakpoints shuffled too much

or at all

but still

sucks

[fading iris]

here the first part of the gamba after getting the staff with modifiers #psyker-class message

[fluid knot]

Oh damn, very decent, good shit man, thats a W if i ever saw one

[harsh urchin]

ye hoping that it gets reverted

[fading iris]

I lost 4% dmg comparing to my older staff, but I got better everything and my old staff was stuck in terms of locked stuff, I had one perk that was usable just for LMB during the cosmetic bug

[harsh urchin]

the problem is that you can't aim it

i don't mind stuff having different body parts when you have a gun

but having a X% chance to do less damage is just terrible lol

[upbeat parcel]

gamba staff

when voidstrike does the same thing but no gamba

[glossy ember]

almost 50% chances of hitting unarmoured

[fading iris]

let me go to the scab shotgunner

turns around because I'm already at the meat grinder

I'm one shooting it

Surge staff is easy, you just get a god roll early on, get carried by that and after a bunch of bs sellings and brunt shenanigans, you get an upgrade

[strong gulch]

With surge's random damage (it's damage has always been random) plus the different armor hits does make it really annoying.

After this fix, I am still gambling on if a trapper dies or not. Hate that.

[fading iris]

still one shot without buffs, there is something that I'm getting more now, aiming for RMB now is making a difference

[plucky flax]

Wake me up when surge is properly fixed.

[strong gulch]

We might not be getting that.

SLeep forevery.

[bleak tulip]

agent "sleeping beauty" chaos

[quasi jacinth]

So a Brain Burst and Soulblaze(staff & talents) combo, would I be more effective with Warp Siphon or Empowered Psionics Keystone? Or are both the same in terms of effectiveness?

[plucky flax]

Yay

Big sleep

[static needle]

In what way could any surge staff rival a voidstrike with blessings surge and warp nexus?

[fading iris]

Assuming there isn't any new bug, Surge is on it suppose to be according to Thiccsushi

[plucky flax]

Faster specials killing.

[glossy ember]

I think trapper is always a one shot with enough warp siphon stacks

[wooden edge]

for surge staff is it better to go warp s iphon or empowered psionics

[static needle]

really? cause the thing is, all i need to do is charge my voidstrike like 50% and most of the time ill kill the special

[plucky flax]

Warp charges make surge stronger. The other doesn't.

[wooden edge]

ah ok

[mighty fractal]

Grandma decided to be kind today https://i.gyazo.com/c1fdd92b263214a1d38101ada9eceeb4.png

[plucky flax]

Yeah surge charge so much faster and bonus that you don't even need to aim.

[static needle]

what should i run on surge for perks? besides crit chance?

[glossy ember]

flak

[lethal lagoon]

with the bug I like unarmored for dreg shooters

[fading iris]

I roll with Warp Siphon

[lethal lagoon]

but flak covers more probably

[glossy ember]

unarmoured shouldn't let surge one shot dreg gunners without crit anyway

[lethal lagoon]

not one shotting shooters is more my concern

which normally isn't a concern

[glossy ember]

oh

[lethal lagoon]

The dreg ones are the toughness shreding ones

[static needle]

good roll?

[lethal lagoon]

the green bois shred health, which I have none anyways

[strong gulch]

6 warp charges and high peril (for warp rider) to one shot consistently. Low peril is inconsistent. LMB resolves that but still. Heck.

Edit: To add that there is no maniac or special damage perks, and staff is 80 damage.

[slate cedar]

blessings worth getting?

[glossy ember]

time to add PT stacks and forego warp rider

[strong gulch]

Close enough. 👍

[fading iris]

If trauma doesn't generate a bunch of peril, is an very nice one

[lethal lagoon]

Uncanny 4 is kind of pointless, but you never know what they might change in the future

probably worth for the uncanny 4 to sacrifice.

[static needle]

wtf ive been told otherwise

[mighty fractal]

Trauma's peril generation is one of its bigger learning curves imo

[slate cedar]

I'm aware some things a bit pointless, just very aware that the 4s are a bit rate.

[lethal lagoon]

100% is the cap, so tier 3 is fine.

[static needle]

uncanny is great watchu mean

oh hahah lol

[lethal lagoon]

Uncanny is obviously BIS, lmao, I need to be more clear when I say shit like this.

[mighty fractal]

That warp resistance should be fine though, I think

[bleak tulip]

stacks faster with 4 but its not mandatory

[fading iris]

just train your brain to always LMB to help with stagger and get charges, RMB is for any of the big bois(non basic heretic npc) stuff

[lethal lagoon]

anyways, I'd personally grab that if I need the tier 4.

[mighty fractal]

but yeah it's very easy to overload while greeding one more trauma explosion even if you're just at 60 peril

Oh yeah, I brought this up yesterday but

[fading iris]

and LMB works for some big bois too

[mighty fractal]

Has anyone been gaining peril past 97% while blocking with Kinetic Deflection?

[strong gulch]

Post patch 13, rending was buffed. I think it was patch 15 that lowered the rending cap.

[mighty fractal]

I've gotten 98%, 100%, and even overloaded while doing nothing but blocking with Kinetic Deflection + Deflector

[lethal lagoon]

Uncanny is the best blessing for Dueling sword, I said it weirdly. I just meant tier 3 or 4 uncanny are about the same. I would get it for the tier 4 uncanny.

[strong gulch]

Surge RMB used to always one shot trapper before the nerf. This is THE special killing staff. Feels like sand in my underpants that it's inconsistent on trappers.

[lethal lagoon]

Accidental nerf*.... hopefully.

Don't jinx it

[fading iris]

and still do

[slate cedar]

Spoonfeed me more please; is unstable power any good on the force swords? I'm assuming no, because it's unreliable (in the 'not always active' sense) and it's when you're at high warp which is potentially risk.

[lethal lagoon]

Which sword?

[slate cedar]

mk5

[lethal lagoon]

Bro I have no idea which force sword that is, Illy, Deimos, Or Ob?

[slate cedar]

Illisi

[lethal lagoon]

Slaughter unstable is a good combo

You use the special attack until max peril, and then just left click.

repeat for hordes and stuff

[slate cedar]

fair enough

[lethal lagoon]

Warp rider is gonna be featured in most builds too, so more reason to be at high peril.

[bleak tulip]

unstable is okay

[strong gulch]

With 6 warp charges and high peril with warp rider on a non crit. That part will probably be permanent due to warp rider changes.

The hitting different armor thing on other enemies is till annoying af, BUT it is definitely better now post hot fix.

[lethal lagoon]

I like slaughter uncanny, mostly just because I rolled an Illy with tier4 slaughter and uncanny.

[fading iris]

and that is the intended way according to fs you can one shot anything if you charge stuff fist

[slate cedar]

as good a reason as any, lol

[near wyvern]

WDYM more fixed? They removed weakspot targetting? 1.2.12 just made limb hits deal body damage

[strong gulch]

Do you mean high peril or do you mean full charge RMB.

[fading iris]

btw something really funny is happening on the meat grinder rn, I'm killing something on the meat grinder... and the soulblaze stack is appearing at the other side of the room

[near wyvern]

Crit chance has diminishing returns the more you have it

[strong gulch]

Limbs and weakspots no longer getting hit, but surge is targeting different armor still.

[fading iris]

full charge RMB with 6 warp charges

[strong gulch]

That's what I've been doing.

[fading iris]

and you should be one shotting all the stuff

I mean, not all the stuff, but you get what I'm saying, what you normally would one shot before the body parts thing

[wooden edge]

oh boy do i love le arning how to keep my peril high and not just explode

[near wyvern]

I did see orange when I tested after 1.2.12

[strong gulch]

Not if you get unlucky rolls. Getting a lot of unarmoured, no crit, or lower threshold damage of the cast.

[wooden edge]

i can do it fine wiht my plasma gun tho

so idk why im struggling so hard with psyker

[charred parcel]

only took 7 failed missions in a row in my first foray into Damnation to get a new high score in Warp Battery. Still not good enough

[idle aurora]

Just had a round with 2 traumas, one blaze, one rending. Holy shit enemies where constantly on the ground burning down in seconds

[plucky flax]

I heard trauma is weak.

[lethal lagoon]

Surge still triggers true aim

So it's definitely hitting weakspots

So does smite

[bleak tulip]

someone buff trauma

[fading iris]

Because lorewise, Pysker are always getting beating by the Warp

[bleak tulip]

bad staff

[strong gulch]

I mean weakspots for smite. I might of just been unlucky. I was hitting things for awhile.

Doing it again. Ok now I am getting weakspot hits. Why wasn't it hitting before I wonder.

Still not true aim procs tho

[lethal lagoon]

I'm getting orange hits too atm

My true aim is definitely going up, remember smite can't crit so it can't use the 5 stack, that's the good part.

[near wyvern]

Didn't check for true aim tho

[earnest widget]

So if im doing a crit psyker build should I change any of this or just leave it alone?

[near wyvern]

Yeah that's what I utilise in the revolver build

Smite, use crit on revolver, smite some more

[lethal lagoon]

So.... I was using the true aim bug to make up for surge being wonky, it kind of worked.

[strong gulch]

I'm going to reload my game. I think it's a me problem.

[lethal lagoon]

I guess surge is back to OP again...

[fading iris]

Don't worry, just blame Pygex and everything will be fine

[lethal lagoon]

lmao

[bold maple]

true aim seems pointless if you have surgical on revolver

waste of 2 precious talent points

[plucky flax]

Tru aim is for assail and/or voidstrike.

[near wyvern]

It's not cause you can quickly hipfire / quick zoom to kill a dude

[silk hawk]

surge gives true aim stacks for sure, idk about smite

[near wyvern]

Surgical is for reapers and crushers

[lethal lagoon]

True aim is for surge and smite 🙂

[plucky flax]

[near wyvern]

Yeah that should work as well

[lethal lagoon]

Alright, surge kinda wild atm with true aim. Also, do the weakspot hits give more damage? It kind of looks like they do. It's tough to tell with surge.

[bleak tulip]

they should

[fading iris]

hey @near wyvern you're the nerd keeping tabs on all this warp shenanigans, there was any bug with soulblaze dps?

[near wyvern]

With smite it seemed like they do, Surge uses the same template so it should do the same as well

[fading iris]

my soublaze stacks are currently fast AF

[strong gulch]

Yup. After restart, I am see true aim procs and the weakspot hits.

Idk if the meat grinder was just being a but or what.

[lethal lagoon]

Surge bugging is back on the menu! 😭

[near wyvern]

No bugs with soulblaze only shitton of bugs with Wildfire

[lethal lagoon]

at least this surge bug takes a bit more thought and isn't as OP

[fading iris]

before was 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1, now is 111111111111

[lethal lagoon]

Also whoever like me had bets that they would accidently make surge more OP with whatever fix they did, we win. I dunno what we win, but we win.

[near wyvern]

Can you clip?

[upbeat parcel]

true aim?

[hard solstice]

So uh... patchnotes say fatshark fixed the surge / smite targeting random body parts bug, right? But I'm in the psychanium and smite is still stacking true aim... did they just straight up lie about fixing it?

[pale pilot]

anyone got a fun surge talent tree for me to try when i get home later?

[lethal lagoon]

They just fixed the damage lmao.

[bleak tulip]

occam's razor

[near wyvern]

They simply made limb damage deal same amount as body

[pale pilot]

it's possible they just changed the limb damage multipliers the same as body

[spice veldt]

they probably just gave surge the plasmagun treatment

[lethal lagoon]

Just use a normal voidstrike build probably.

[wooden edge]

so is surge jsut bad for cc?

[lethal lagoon]

Just need that true aim and smite

[fading iris]

man that would be a pain in the ass to do, let me whip out what I use to clip ppl breaking rules on RP, one sec

[wooden edge]

like should i be using my sword over trying to fry everything

[near wyvern]

You wanna go fast or cast a lot?

[hard solstice]

Honestly I was so so so HOPING for this, that they would fix surge staff feeling like shit and doing low damage, but leave the really fun and effective interaction between smite and true aim.

[near wyvern]

I can check it tomorrow myself

[pale pilot]

damn, that's actually a tough choice, probably cast a lot, but what's the difference?

[plucky flax]

This man willingly put carapace and sprint on his autopistol.

Real one.

[vestal fulcrum]

This man is on a one-man mission to absolutely destroy every Crusher on the face of Tertium

[near wyvern]

The difference is DD versus Warp Siphon keystone, former is superman, latter is hulk

[plucky flax]

Someone tell him about autopistol vs carapace. 😭

[pale pilot]

probably warp siphon, i didn't gel with DD when i tried it but throw both at me and i'll try them both tonight

[wooden edge]

guys i did a dumb

i bought a whole set from comissary when i just needed the legs left :/

[pale pilot]

the commissary sets should reduce price based on the parts you got

[wooden edge]

i had the chest and head already there goes my 95k i guess, its not like it'd be too hard to get back but that's just annoying

i coulda gambled like 8 or so staves with that money

[fading iris]

I mean, i need to check if I can still record the way I was, so two rabbits with one stone (something is borked after too much time without using it, so now I'm on that path lol)

[glossy ember]

and made surge crit a guarenteed torso shot right

that's why I value crit rate even with its diminishing returns

[lethal lagoon]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9aa9396b-f365-434d-839d-5b678a628ac0/surgetruaimy Ima probably run this, you can easily swap any of the bottom 3 keystones, just can't get the full warp charge.

[bleak tulip]

[lethal lagoon]

I don't normally run it, but with true aim surge why not?

Is it bugged

[bleak tulip]

dont think so I just think its quite bad

[verbal flint]

Best gun for psyker, go.

[near wyvern]

Here are both builds that I am currently iterating / testing for which one to include in Atheneum. For the DD build please wear a combat knife! For the Warp Siphon build it's best to go with something that has a little bit of cleave to activate that Malefic Momentum. When in doubt smite it out for both.

[near wyvern]

I saw someone today who had Obscurus and had willingly put there +10% weakspot damage

[lethal lagoon]

tbf, most people don't understand how that perk works because it's stupid af.

[upbeat parcel]

no cruel fortune?

[near wyvern]

95k comes back quickly, don't worry about it

[lethal lagoon]

Hmm, Surge can get weakspot kills now though...

[bleak tulip]

cant reliably hit weakspots with surge

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah probably not worth

[glossy ember]

works great for surge tbh

without even using uh

true aim

[pale pilot]

thank you. for DD what's the knife doin'?

[bleak tulip]

idk I just generally dont find myself ever really taking damage to shooters and its a bit too much of a diceroll to be something I would take to stand around while gunners shoot me

feels like a waste of a point, just take cover

[hot zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/fpsdoug-jog-run-faster-with-a-knife-go-for-a-jog-gif-17551339
Everyone runs faster with a knife

[bleak tulip]

but I was also a deflect hater so

[late yew]

Instakick knife users

[pale pilot]

oh right, the knife is speed

[tawny jewel]

whoever made the knife animations were having too much fun I say.

[lethal lagoon]

Knife has a different block animation depending on if you block in the middle of a combo

[strong gulch]

Seems like with the hotfix to surge, unarmoured is still good for more consistency on shot gunners.

Gonna have to farm up a better staff.

[lethal lagoon]

they were absolutely having too much fun

[near wyvern]

@pale pilot combat blade has the best base movement speed of all the weapons in the game

In addition, the heavy attack increases your speed even further

Crit with surge to proc Mettle and kill a DD target, pull out knife, press sprint and try to do a heavy attack. You will believe you can fly.

[pale pilot]

haha

though also i'm a degenerate that has lacerate 3 uncanny 3on my zealot's knife because i preferred the surety of getting bleeds to procc the +crit chance on hitting bleeds talent over conditional bonuses like dodging for crit with riposte or dropping my critchain bonus with shred

[wooden edge]

yeah honestly if i really need it i can just go back to my vet and run a damntation or 2

[near wyvern]

It truly has the best animations in the game

[sweet pelican]

do u use knife as psyker to deal with mosntrositys?

[hard solstice]

people like to shit on lacerate, saying flesh tearer is better, but after using both I prefer lacerate, even when paired with uncanny. Guaranteed bleeds get your crit engine up and running more reliably, max out bleed to 16 stacks on something like a crusher more reliably, and you just make sure to wack a head every so often to keep your uncanny stacks refreshed while your bleed melts anything.

[strong gulch]

Knife is really fun.

[lethal lagoon]

What do you run for knife psyker, lac uncanny right?

[plucky flax]

We failed. Needless to say these 3 dudes are kinda sus.

[rigid rune]

would DD work with Surge?

[plucky flax]

I was left alone with bonbon and no monster damage

[lethal lagoon]

DD pretty great for surge atm

[rigid rune]

compared to warp siphon?

[lethal lagoon]

depends on your consistency at getting stacks and playstyle

I would say they are comparable

[glossy ember]

fair, it's personally my lifeline vs rangeds

[near wyvern]

Yes, Knife, DS4 and Deimos, all fine for dealing with Monstrosities.

[lethal lagoon]

DD also requires less point investment if you are running true aim for surge bug(?)

[near wyvern]

Knife is easiest to tank Daemonhosts

[rigid rune]

true aim is bugged on surge?

[near wyvern]

Uncanny Flesh Tearer. Psylers can spam the push attack non stop so you always want to be aiming for the head.

[lethal lagoon]

You can hit and get weakspot damage on surge randomly atm

and smite

smite can build true aim stacks but not use them, so gives a free crit basically

[pale pilot]

yeah any single target thing with a knife and a psyker is push attack spam

[rigid rune]

Pretty sure that's intended is it not? surge's damage table has a row for weakspot damage

makes sense that it would be able to hit them

[near wyvern]

@lethal lagoon it's not a bug, they made the change intentionally, the reduced damage on limbs was unintended

[lethal lagoon]

Ooo

Smite too?

[near wyvern]

Yes

[wooden edge]

aw man do i love g etting my health nuked by a crowd and then a burster just drops in f rom narnia and kills me

[spice veldt]

it was added along with the gibbing but who knows if this behavior was intended

it was never able to hit weakspots until very very recently

[rigid rune]

just divine the future next time to avoid this

[hard solstice]

they really need to leave this in, it's fun and enables certain builds and blessings on staffs. It also requires a more active playstyle as you have to pay attention to when you have true aim up, and cycle between smite and your staff of choice to fully take advantage of the guaranteed crit

[wooden edge]

my fault

[rigid rune]

what? I remember before the carnival update getting headshots right?

[near wyvern]

Nope

[weak widget]

Is Soulblaze a bit shit? it feels a bit cosmetic to me, what's the point if it does such a weak dot that wears off

[spice veldt]

eh, the gimmick is that you hit heads for a guaranteed crit, even if it's not particularly hard to do so

[pale pilot]

it ramps up the more stacks you have

[spice veldt]

for single target, soulblaze isn't impressive

it's just that most soulblaze application methods does it in an AoE

[weak widget]

I have a blazing spirit trauma staff and I don't know

[harsh urchin]

it's a bug lol

[weak widget]

with the skillpoints in soulblaze skills

[near wyvern]

That "weak" dot becomes extremely powerful when you stack it up and add some buffs.

[pale pilot]

get some crit on that and you burn crowds

[weak widget]

and it still makes me question whether I should put them elsewhere, but it's hard to tell how much damage it actually does

[fading iris]

@near wyvern the FPS is wonky but the tick is at the same speed as native

[foggy breach]

i want to drop one thing for enhanced psionics bottom skill, but what

[pale pilot]

enfeeble. allegedly it only works on smite lmb

[lethal lagoon]

I heard the +10 damage on smite doesn't work for right click

[near wyvern]

So around 1 tick each 0.85 seconds?

[lethal lagoon]

So drop that

[fading iris]

fun fact, I discovered that I did a setup so crazy (but that works) that the thing ends up working only on the game I need

[foggy breach]

aight

[eternal pike]

What's up with true aim and surge atm?

[glossy ember]

both smite nodes only affect lmb iirc

[lethal lagoon]

I remember I had argument with someone about how the +jump did nothing for smite lmao. Didn't know that was bugged too.

[plucky flax]

Drop +1 chain.

[near wyvern]

@weak widget 90% of the damage in this clip comes from "weak" soulblaze, this is from Auric Maelstrom

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[fading iris]

don't know the numbers, I just saw that the tick was appearing fast, normally(or at least on my perception) the tick was slower, if you are seeing a normal tick, there is a chance that is normal and I just reparing different because l'm looking at it directly instead of with a bunch of other dmg

[near wyvern]

Incorrect, Enfeeble does increase RMB damage, but the 10% is often insignificant

[near wyvern]

I'll just check it tomorrow

[strong gulch]

Oh is that why it felt like it did nothing??

[strong gulch]

oh gotcha

[glossy ember]

before this hotfix debuff mod didn't show enfeeble debuff on rmb, while it did on lmb

but mightve been changed

[fading iris]

yeah, put it on the list and check for me please and thank you

[hard solstice]

that's a funny clip, but where is the proof that soulblaze did 90% of damage dealth in that clip? I want to believe but in practice it certainly doesn't feel that way in missions

[steady yarrow]

Wait, Surge staff re-buffed? Random headshots, no decreased damage from limbs?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeppers

[plucky flax]

No decreased damage but it takes into account the armour part.

[foggy breach]

how do i make the very loud "you're gonna explode" sound less loud

[plucky flax]

So it's actually decrease damage.

[near wyvern]

I tested the DPS values today after 1.2.12, did 50 - 55ish on RMB without Enfeeble and 60 with it

[steady yarrow]

Hmmmm

[lethal lagoon]

Depends on the armor and your perks, no?

[wooden edge]

yes mr. flamer, yes I do

[plucky flax]

It's not hugely shafted like in previous patch tho.

[lethal lagoon]

Plus you get weakspot damage

[glossy ember]

hm so enfeeble affects rmb itself, do you know if it affects other damage sources then

[plucky flax]

Yeah but before you could take flak and that'll cover all elite shooters.

[steady yarrow]

Weakspot damage is a nice benny, even if it's random

[plucky flax]

Now you gotta take flak + unarmoured for that.

[strong gulch]

ye

[plucky flax]

I'd rather take just 1 perk and maybe not get that rng headshot.

[near wyvern]

Should do but as said, 10% is not significant. I don't think anyone will ever notice it, outside of maybe thammer omega bonking a Monstrosity but don't spend a talent point just for that specific moment.

[steady yarrow]

Do we go Maniac and Flak to address changes to surge?

[near wyvern]

Unarmoured flak still

[plucky flax]

Unarmoured is the bandaid solution for this new bug.

I just want my flak maniac surge back.

[near wyvern]

I need a better surge cause I have terrifying barrage locked in on my current one

It has two flex perks

And warp nexus 4

[plucky flax]

Mine is pretty gucci.

[near wyvern]

Yeah that's nice

[plucky flax]

What's up with FS and 660 damage though.

Both surge and trauma have it.

Give surge like 700 at 80%.

[near wyvern]

Would swap warp resist and crit bonus but having those two blessings with flex perks is nice

[strong gulch]

I got 63 charge rate on mine. Other than that it's good.

[plucky token]

I would trade warp resist for quell speed on that. I feel like quell speed is a dump stat.

[lethal lagoon]

Are these perks bricked, I feel like it might actually be okay for zooming.

[plucky token]

if I could of course

[near wyvern]

You quell a lot on surge

[plucky flax]

Yeah sadly it's the best one with open perks.

My other surge staves have 1 perk locked in so they are less flexible.

[plucky token]

Eh, depends on your talents. If you go Warp Charges you don't need it at all.

[strong gulch]

Open perks so clutch.

[lethal lagoon]

I'd kill for a surge with open perks 🙏

[plucky flax]

Like if I play melee maelstrom with surge I switch maniac to carapace.

For the crushers squads.

[pale pilot]

remembers locks exist

[plucky flax]

https://tenor.com/view/wide-vladimir-putin-russian-walking-gif-17506944

[pale pilot]

[pain]

[near wyvern]

Not completely but it's nice to have +maniac to two tap mutant heads with any small buffs (around +10% additional damage from warp siphon of warp rider)

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, mutants never give me issues. Zooming away then.

Thanks

[near wyvern]

The cool thing is that while you are zooming around, the knife will stack perfect timing for you

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, didn't consider it would stack both of the crit talents while zooming around, that is nice.

[near wyvern]

Mettle requires you to hit an enemy, Perfect Timing does not

[lethal lagoon]

Wait so you get perfect timing just from actual knife zoomies?

That's fucking great

[near wyvern]

But also Perfect Timing can only proc once per attack, while Mettle triggers for each hit

[near wyvern]

Yes. The base crit chance of the knife is enough to never drop stacks as long as you keep swinging those heavies

[plucky token]

Me when the AI Director decides to spawn another 20 Rager Patrol on Carnival:

[round summit]

i donu i tried the pistolbuild but i just ran out of ammo all the time

[plucky token]

https://tenor.com/view/lightning-fingers-kid-cat-shock-powers-gif-16258064

[round summit]

not for me maybe

[lethal lagoon]

I play every class, so I just want a break from looking for ammo on psyker.

Give me Warp Ammo Siphon or something, where you get 10% of all ammo picked up.

[near wyvern]

Void + Smite is a build with no weaknesses, change my mind

[lethal lagoon]

People think you are a lame meta chaser when you run Void, so you reduce team morale.

Huge weakness 🙂

[near wyvern]

Nah, cause you are not bringing Assail

[pseudo basin]

What should I be using palpatine lightning on? It seems pointless to use on trash mobs

[lethal lagoon]

I acutally don't see void that often anyways lmao.

[strong gulch]

can't

[pseudo basin]

I'm perfectly happy to see meta chasers, they might know how to play the game lol

[round summit]

i rrun pistol cuz staff to complicated

weakness for usre

[near wyvern]

Smite on itself does very little damage but when you combine it with Battle Mediation and all Soulblaze talents on the left side you get some really funny chain reactions going.

[pseudo basin]

I've been trying out the palpatine lightning, but it seems it requires your team to take advantage of it, and this isn't happening lol

[flat moat]

What staff is a good pairing for smite?

[near wyvern]

Just gotta build it right

https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[near wyvern]

Void & Surge staves go well with it

[strong gulch]

Void, surge, and guns are pretty good with smite.

But if you like quick sawpping, assail would be better with some guns.

[plucky flax]

Me an assail simp.

Pew pew I am throwing shards like gambit.

[fading iris]

while saying "oui oui mon amour"

[proven stirrup]

Wow ok yeah, thost two suggested switches from yesterday make a huge difference

I'm gonna consecrate this iliisi and see if I can't get some good blessings on it

oof

The elite damage and exorcist are the things need changing but I don't have anything else in the sword pool to put there worth shit yet so

Swap the leet damage to flak?

[fading iris]

Always trust psyker chat / Never trust psyker chat

[proven stirrup]

Given I was running as partial build, the changes made sense

[plucky flax]

Don't trust the shellfish in war.

[proven stirrup]

I just did a damnation run where I took like one medicae charge the whole way

Good team too

But I feel MUCH tankier

[steady yarrow]

Surge feels better, but I think i'm sticking with Void.