psyker-class

[plucky flax]

Yeah wtf this is cursed.

Gotta be a bug.

[potent echo]

lmao shotgunner breakpoints are fcked

now your surge needs

[glossy ember]

oh for the love of og

[plucky flax]

Which channel do I go through to report this?

[potent echo]

+flak +unarmored

[glossy ember]

official fatshark forums.

[limber tartan]

I don't understand the meaning of breakpoints

[potent echo]

no more +maniac

[summer prairie]

maybe it normalizes damage but the armor type is still randomized?

[glossy ember]

no more crit rate either bro

[proven dagger]

Breakpoints are the percentages and/or blessings you need to onehit, basically

[potent echo]

too bad my current surge has maniac stuck

[orchid nest]

watch the fix for that make the monstrosity dps jump down again

[plucky flax]

They normalise the damage but didn't account for the different armour parts.

[orchid nest]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-why-under256kb-peepo-pepe-discord-gif-22126250

[plucky flax]

Easiest thing they can do is just give it the plasma code to ignore arms.

[viscid matrix]

the ability to reach 1 hit kill, or 2hit kill usualy

[plucky flax]

And always target torso/head.

[potent echo]

just revert this entire change lmao

stupidest idea

[glossy ember]

why do they just not

let us have this holy shit

[proven dagger]

Probably because of the smite bug

[glossy ember]

just revert it to patch 14

[plucky flax]

It still does a lot more damage than patch 15.

But yeah if it hits arm then your +flak is rip.

[crimson remnant]

If the unit has different armor types, why be mad if they use those armor types against us? I don’t see a problem

[plucky flax]

Because surge used to always target torso.

So you put flak on it and call it a day.

[crimson remnant]

Now you can hit weakspots

[plucky flax]

[glossy ember]

for christ's sake

[indigo thunder]

Surge Staff is back in the game

Noice

[limber tartan]

Soo just slap weakspot damage on it

[proven dagger]

Yes, but no

[potent echo]

LOL IT HITS BULWARK CARAPACE TOO

[indigo thunder]

elaborate

[potent echo]

goodbye bulwark damage

[summer prairie]

but unarmoured crits do more damage

[proven dagger]

Just scroll up a bit

[glossy ember]

fatshark please.

[proven dagger]

We're actively discussing it right now

[potent echo]

1/6 chance to randomly hit bulwark carapace arm good shit

[frail sand]

surge is back

[plucky flax]

It's back but still cursed.

[potent echo]

no

[frail sand]

wait

[glossy ember]

we're now stuck with unarmoured

[proven dagger]

Fatshark still broke something

[potent echo]

also carapace for bulwark arm

[frail sand]

what

[plucky flax]

It's a lot better than 1.2.11 but now we have rng.

[potent echo]

or carapace randomly for reapers too

[hidden crystal]

No longer takes the damage penalty for hitting different locations, but still considers the armour type on that location.

[orchid nest]

gigachad using unyielding on it instead

[crimson remnant]

Just put +elite then?

[frail sand]

💀

[viscid matrix]

is it random targeting, or is it where you are targeting with the dot?

[potent echo]

it messes up shotgunner breakpoint

[proven dagger]

Yes, but that's a lot weaker than +flak

[plucky flax]

It's random. I jump to hit head but it doesn't hit head.

[potent echo]

cant 1shot shotgunner consistently anymore without +falk +unarmored

[potent echo]

ofc

[viscid matrix]

[glossy ember]

doubt elite will let me one shot them

[frail sand]

what in the kentucky fried fuck are they doing over at fatshark

[viscid matrix]

no weakpoints

[viscid matrix]

its FS being FS

[potent echo]

no somehow headshots still do extra damage

[frail sand]

[proven dagger]

What the
Why

[potent echo]

#psyker-class message

[summer prairie]

looks like crits don't hit random hit zones

[orchid nest]

that must be why it does normal damage to monstrosities now too, it had some 0.5x thing or whatever to them before on torso or something

[potent echo]

its a buff vs single armor type enemies

nerf vs anything with multiple armor types

like mauler hit the head you do less damage

nice

[viscid matrix]

so almost everything thats important

[plucky flax]

Just give back patch 13 surge.

Always hit torso ez.

[indigo thunder]

Bruh. This is a certified kek moment

[proven dagger]

Yes, please, loved Patch 13 surge

[plucky flax]

I'm not a great orator. Can someone submit bug report on FS forum.

[glossy ember]

awesome.

[viscid matrix]

no point, they dont read them, or they just ingore them

[orchid shadow]

Oh man. Maybe they rushed this change out for the hotfix and hopefully have plans to do a proper one for their next proper update. It's like a dirty band-aid.

[orchid nest]

next fix - always hit leg instead, so you have reliable breakpoint

[proven dagger]

I doubt that, as they very obviously still work on bugs
Although they might screw it up sometimes

[plucky flax]

They will put 'acknowledged' and do nothing about it.

[static needle]

Did they do a hotfix?

[proven dagger]

Yes, but - less than ideal

[viscid matrix]

yes, its not as good as we hoped, since it still targets limbs, which for some is alternate armour types

https://imgur.com/a/DqmYpV1//layout/grid

[static needle]

wtf uhhh

[hollow jolt]

Surge usable without feeling bad now?

[plucky flax]

Yeah you can use it for sure.

[orchid nest]

fixed enough to tempt me to use it now at least but yeah the next fix will hopefully make it even better

[severe folio]

taxe is still worst axes ?

[static needle]

jesus man can fatshark actually get anything right the first time they try to fix something??

[plucky flax]

But if you had a really good surge staff now you sometimes feel cheated by losing breakpoint due to RNG.

[hollow jolt]

:D

[plucky flax]

*Only on mutiple armour parts enemies.

If it's like a fully maniac or flak then it's cool.

[frail sand]

[potent echo]

well im on my way to try my first true aim DD surge build

[orchid nest]

hopefully when they fix it, it doesn't just ruin the monstrosity damage again

[uneven compass]

Ok so what's the issue with it now? Still targets random limbs which takes into account the armor on said limbs but the damage should still be back to normal?

[potent echo]

i think against monsters its a straight buff

because it can hit heads now

but doesnt lose damage to limbs

[summer prairie]

it only randomizes the target if you don't crit so that's something

[potent echo]

huh...

to give the explosion on crit?

[summer prairie]

I guess

[clear heath]

but a lot of flak enemies have non-flak parts...
and i have flak perk

pain

[uneven compass]

If it still targets limbs but with normal damage isn't this actually good since with True Aim we can still get stacks leading to lots of crits which now lead to full explosion death effects?

[summer prairie]

only use surge with true aim active and it's fine

[glossy ember]

useable yes

[orchid nest]

yeah I swear it had like a negative damage multiplier to monstrosities before too though because the damage was super low. but it's ignoring the hitzone negative multiplier for it now I guess? so if they fix the armor type thing hopefully they don't ruin that

[clear heath]

I will just be lucky and crit every time

[glossy ember]

I guess at this point crit rate over unarmoured might not be awful

because the more crit rate the less likely you fuck up breakpoints

[kind jay]

immeasurably complex

- fatshark prob

[plucky flax]

Alright boys best I can do is write in the reddit thread. https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/17zpixw/comment/ka0vd7n/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Pls up doot

[shadow quail]

ew reddit

[glossy ember]

will doot

I'll make a bug thread

[plucky flax]

Aight pls do.

I just want to use surge without any moments.

[rugged hare]

Right so
Do arms count as part of the torso? Or is the surge force still randomized?

[plucky flax]

Just give me patch 13 surge bruh without any memes.

[plucky flax]

No you do less damage unless you have +unarmoured for arms.

It's still a lot stronger than the RNG limb meme in 1.2.11

But you still feel really bad cos it's like 200 damage short of killing something.

[glossy ember]

yeah

[orchid nest]

I am conflicted upvoting it though because if it always hits torso again they will remove the code potentially about it ignoring hit zone modifiers, which would make its monstrosity damage bad again. can we just still have that and also a fix to the random armor thing please

[glossy ember]

well onthe upside

at least crits are back to breakpoints

so

scrier is now meta for surge staff

[rugged hare]

But...it should target the torso, no? Why are arms factored in?

[plucky flax]

Because they wanted to do some 'cosmetic changes'.

[severe folio]

i just rolled a really good stat

[plucky flax]

And they can only do spaghetti codes.

So it became all fucked up.

[severe folio]

unfortunately its for the weapon that is highly not recommended

[rugged hare]

WHY
literally nobody wanted this
Right???

[severe folio]

i guess now i know where all my luck goes

[plucky flax]

They wanted arms to explode sometimes, rather than the whole enemy exploding.

[severe folio]

to the undesired

[plucky flax]

Because you know, literally nobody asked for that.

[severe folio]

i can guess why they want limb explode

because it has less blood particles

and it salvage their laggy carnival

[silent coral]

surge staff is still bugged all cause they wanted to do a dumb cosmetic effect

[uneven compass]

Same. I'm pretty ok with limb targeting now that the damage is fixed because it allows weak spot hits which let's us use true aim for more crits. Curious if warp charges damage will help push into 1 hit kill breakpoints for specials

[plucky flax]

Could be a performance strategy yeah.

[rugged hare]

Couldn't they just
Add an option to turn off all enemy explosions and ragdolls?

[plucky flax]

I really liked making everything exploded though.

[limber tartan]

YO btw why did the set F10 as the button to leave the queue for missions

It's such an awkward button

Why not f9

The ones that are at the edges

[brazen acorn]

it was that in VT2 as well.

[rugged hare]

So rather than forcing everyone to obey 1 set of graphics people could
You know
Customize

[uneven compass]

I do find it funny tho killing a crusher and seeing their arm explode and die. I think I might be in the minority here that's liking limb targeting

[limber tartan]

Its fun looks cool

The explosion animations for their bodies is nice too

[plucky flax]

It'll be cool if they can code properly.

[rugged hare]

I think the problem is if you can even get to kill a crusher
The surge is weakend

[limber tartan]

Although good luck seeing anything

[rugged hare]

So you'll get a zap off and then someone else will one shot it

[proven dagger]

But since we're on cosmetic topics already

Fatshark, when will I get my hair back?

[orchid shadow]

Basically, yes.

[limber tartan]

Also i have found a funny bug with dd again

[stuck finch]

Never

[bleak tulip]

is that the latest nerd cap? that one works with hair I thought

[limber tartan]

You only get the stack if you kill the target directly, soo infernus does not count

[rugged hare]

That's not something hair will go through
Like physically
That doesn't make sense for you to have hair showing

[proven dagger]

They just randomly removed it from this cosmetic, it was there before patch 15
Like
Why?

[bleak tulip]

likely clipping stuff

[limber tartan]

Although im gonna test that further

[obtuse moth]

needing to invest talents point into true aim is a significant nerf >_>

[bleak tulip]

they change hair showing on cosmetics from time to time and likely turned it off because it clipped or out of error

[summer prairie]

I don't know about burning but you definitely get a DD stack from SB kills, even if it is someone else killing it

[severe folio]

i turn my taxe into a shovel

[proven dagger]

That's what it looked like before. Don't know about any issues, never seen any
Just struck me as odd as it came with the same update they fixed a bunch of cosmetics

[severe folio]

oh that helm

is it with the hair

[bleak tulip]

likely has worse clipping with different hair styles is the issue

[severe folio]

theres a hair style that leave a bang even after you use that headpiece

and people were liking it

now it hide the bang

[proven dagger]

Because we can't be allowed to enjoy things

I forgot, my bad

[glossy ember]

me too bro...

[orchid shadow]

Ew.. now I have to switch to Warp Charges to hit my breakpoints now.

[glossy ember]

loved my psyker with da bang

[mighty olive]

#MakeSurgeGreatAgain

[azure bridge]

surge staff feels good

[proven dagger]

Is this the real life political version of "Skulls for the Golden Throne"?

[rugged hare]

No where near the glory it once was though

[mighty olive]

YESM

[uneven compass]

Still works fine for auric damnation especially with limb damage being fixed 🤷‍♀️

[azure bridge]

oh my word, I cannot decide what staff to run now

I like my blaze trauma, my voidstrike and this surge staff is unreal

[feral seal]

Opinions on best single target option for melee?

[rugged hare]

Dueling sword

Maximum stabby stabby

[steel flame]

What should I replace the specialist damage with?

[bleak tulip]

reverting changes is for cowards anyway

[summer prairie]

did surge even one-shot dreg gunners with +flak without a crit, was this with like 6 stacks and perfect timing

[feral seal]

Ds4 is best dps?

Damn

[rugged hare]

Yes
It did

[summer prairie]

you didn't specify with what

[bleak tulip]

maniac usually

[silent coral]

yeah does DS2 have any advantages over DS4?

[bleak tulip]

makes one shotting muties easier

[silk hawk]

since surge is broken a played a plenty of games with other staves... and i want to say.... they suck XD

[rugged hare]

It usually one shotted them without crit or anything mate

[summer prairie]

not without anything

[uneven compass]

With warp charges it definitely 1 shot several types of enemies. With limb dmg fixed it'll be far better. Still will struggle against carapace unless you got+carapace dmg but that's giving up either flak or unarmored

[summer prairie]

talking about elite gunners

[rugged hare]

Though there was also the smte bug, keep that in mind

[bleak tulip]

under consideration that plenty of people use those staves
alternatively: you suck

[summer prairie]

well not talking about the brief bugged state

[terse saffron]

[rugged hare]

Before bug it'd 2 shot them
So decent damage and enough to kill them before someone else does

[silk hawk]

No. Staves suck. Even thou plenty of people use them xD

[bleak tulip]

simply get uncanny 4 on the last roll, so shrimple

[bleak tulip]

yeah okay you just suck

[steel flame]

is the mk IV the best dueling sword?

[eager horizon]

Shame theres only 4 magic sticks.

You'd think there be more, no?

[plucky flax]

Revert assail to 2s cd and give it back handcannon bug.

[silk hawk]

why u mad? bcuz i said that your favorite staff suck?

xDD

[uneven compass]

Where frost staff at

[steel flame]

Nah, staves are good

[plucky flax]

I can confirm trauma is really bad. Pls buff.

[bleak tulip]

I dont care what you think, youre just very convinced you're right about something youre very much wrong about

[steel flame]

Better than guns for psyker 100%

[eager horizon]

Would luv a good buff staff myself.

[steel flame]

Trauma is busted lol

[eager horizon]

Wheres the biomancy!?

[plucky flax]

@glossy ember we made it

[bleak tulip]

ask in like two years

[terse saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/its-as-shrimple-as-that-shrimple-clam-grass-jump-gif-25956447

[bleak tulip]

[silk hawk]

if u would not care u would not insult me on that matter fella, so u are lying straigt from the beginning...

[uneven compass]

Damn that would actually be awesome to go full support psyker with bubble shield and a staff that buffs the team somehow

[feral seal]

Trauma is fine especially if you are running fire crit

[glossy ember]

LETS GOOOOOOOO

[feral seal]

Not the bis option but good

[steel flame]

Traumas busted for me, I can topple and stagger any bulwarks that my team runs across. Only problem is mutants and bosses

[rugged hare]

Now I want this

[feral seal]

Trauma cc is a worse smite

[rugged hare]

extremely

[plucky flax]

Yes yes trauma slander. Keep going.

[feral seal]

And the dps potential is lower than void

[bleak tulip]

it wasnt an insult, if you truly think staves suck, you suck because thats just the wildest take I ever heard in this channel in over a year

[feral seal]

Not a BAD staff, especially if you don't want to run smite

I'd take a trauma psyker over purg any day tbh

[steel flame]

Better than purg lol

[glossy ember]

haven't made thread yet, working

[steel flame]

Im glad I got a godroll trauma so I could hop off purg, I was getting burnt out on it

[silk hawk]

all of them exept surge suck.

[hoary badge]

I'm guessing true aim smite is fixed

[potent echo]

nope

still there

[hoary badge]

praise be

[plucky flax]

Yeah still do it anyway to raise more awareness.
More chance of them fixing it sooner.

[potent echo]

but

[silk hawk]

and i mean it, u will end up with better perfomance by just using a gun

[potent echo]

surge is more cursed now

[eager horizon]

Aye, like something that boosts their crit chance. Imagine 100% crit stubber Ogryn. Or maybe some chronomancy. Create slowing bubbles on right click, boost team's attack speed on left click.

[hoary badge]

how so

[uneven compass]

Purge feels great until you run into a team that for some reason does not wanna handle gunners

[steel flame]

A bit different, but close enough

[plucky flax]

Show me your god roll trauma cos I have 1 too.

[feral seal]

Void is my beloved now

[copper torrent]

Isn't that.... always?

[rugged hare]

Aw you got stuck with meh blessings though didn't ya

[plucky flax]

What are the blessings?

[silk hawk]

why, they said they fix it

[hoary badge]

dodge slide into lmb works well unless the map generation is heavily against your favor

[plucky flax]

Xd

[steel flame]

I can 2-3 tap crushers/bulwarks at max warp charges

[plucky flax]

I would not call that god roll but cool.

[feral seal]

Meh everything

[steel flame]

:(

Its mah baybee

Ive taken it on the past 50 missions, its served me well

[feral seal]

This is my baby, I love it because it looks cursed with the level 1 blessing

[rugged hare]

Ah
Upgrade those to IV mate o7

[plucky flax]

I have not seen a better blaze trauma than mine.

[copper torrent]

Mothers love their ugly children.

[steel flame]

Only ugly if you're ugly yourself

[feral seal]

Eh, I don't like trauma very much, feels weak. If I was gonna play trauma I'd wanna build a fire staff instead

[uneven compass]

That's the dream Ever time I hear my Savant psyker with bubble telling the team "Shield up, come to me!" And other great voicelines it's made me want other abilities that prompt that sorta feel

[steel flame]

Its weak if you dont aim it right

[bold flint]

Fixed an issue where the Psyker “Nomanus Mk VI Surge Force Staff” and “Smite” blitz would target random enemy hitzones poggers

[feral seal]

The circle is peepee size compared to smite

[potent echo]

but not really

[fierce crest]

So, huge then?

[steel flame]

You gotta make sure the guys your aiming for are dead center in the circle, if they arent it wont deal as much damage but still knocks/stuns

[silk hawk]

elaborate? i am downloading a patch...

[steel flame]

Its still good for that though, especially in a horde

[feral seal]

Surge always does same damage now but kills have random dismemberment

I miss red misting everyything tbh

[plucky flax]

The blaze trauma stick here

[steel flame]

They got rid of mistifying everything? cringe >:(

[feral seal]

Gigachad trauma

[regal drum]

Yeah that “fix” in the first place seemed unnecessary.

[feral seal]

Why no 5% crit craft

[potent echo]

imagine shotgunner,
no more limb reduction, great!
hits arm > unarmored
no +unarmored perk
no oneshot

[plucky flax]

I am waiting for t4 blazing spirit.

[steel flame]

on god

[plucky flax]

(It'll never come)

[feral seal]

Blazing spirit doesn';t go to t4 right?

[rugged hare]

They're just dead set on making killing things boring

[feral seal]

It's only t3

[plucky flax]

Nope but they might add it.

[feral seal]

LOL

It doesn't matter

[plucky flax]

Like they added a new blessing in power cycler 3.

[silk hawk]

kekw, hitting an arm was already -50% dmg, so cmon, its all good now XD

[potent echo]

no

[plucky flax]

So there's a chance of them adding blazing spirit 4.

[clear heath]

cope

[feral seal]

Max stacks you can apply on mobs is 6 right? So 3 vs 4 is the same breakpoint

[potent echo]

you breakpoints are still fcked

[steel flame]

Dude, ive spent upwards of 30M on hammers just to try and get thrust 4 for my zealot, and ive got jackall

[feral seal]

2 casts

[potent echo]

slightly less fcked but still fcked

[plucky flax]

Not if blazing spirit has 8 max cap.

blaizng spirit 4* sorry.

[feral seal]

[steel flame]

I also have this on my psyker, which pisses me off because I want it on my zealot but cant use it

:(

[plucky flax]

Since it's 3 and 6 for t3, my hope would be 4 and 8 for t4.

[feral seal]

Extreme cope

[plucky flax]

[feral seal]

I hope so then

[wet jacinth]

Is there any reason to take obscurus since Illisi/deimos exist?

[clear heath]

does blazing spirit have a t2?

[plucky flax]

No only t3.

[feral seal]

Obscurus is noob stink

[plucky flax]

FUCKING GIVE ME T4

[steel flame]

Ehh, not really

Its funny but not really good imo

[feral seal]

Is deimos really less dps than ds4?

Ds4 is so busted

[bleak tulip]

depends on who you ask

[steel flame]

I believe it is

[bleak tulip]

(my answer is yes)

[limber tartan]

I don't know really

[fierce crest]

Obscurus loses a lot of single target damage for a little bit of cleave

[limber tartan]

I have tested Mk4 against deimos and deimos won with charged attack

But if you don't then MK4 is better and faster

The issue is that deimos locks you in that special animation

[steel flame]

I like my illisi more tbf, but the IV Dueling sword is kinda hot

[bleak tulip]

one thing thats fore sure is that its a hell of a lot easier to use and its faster in basically every way

raw damage wise deimos h2 is better than mk4 h1 but that barely matters since you can special attack combo h1/2 on mk4 and you kinda cant on deimos

[feral seal]

Chainsword/evisc animation lock moment

[uneven compass]

Deimos special attack looks so cool tho

[wet jacinth]

Chaxe

[bleak tulip]

also mk4 is faster movement, further dodges

[limber tartan]

Yes it does look cool at the cost of locking you and the target in that animation

[feral seal]

I've never played chaxe

[orchid shadow]

Huh, didn't know the armor text changes over the gym enemies depending on where you hit. Also. Wtf, the same damage, but one didn't kill it?

[wet jacinth]

Basically lights have the animation lock

[spice veldt]

prob rounding

[bleak tulip]

funny rounding I assume

[hasty python]

anybody able to help with the monstro penance

[summer prairie]

mk4 has slower dodges

[bleak tulip]

but further?

I think

[summer prairie]

deimos ends up being better for kiting due to the speed

[bleak tulip]

give me my crab walk back

[silk hawk]

mk2 is even better 😂

[rugged hare]

Wait wait wait
Did they actually change it to target the torso?
Or was their fix making it ignore all other armour types?

[feral seal]

MK4 dodges are overkill for anything in the game tho

Like why even bother with anything better

[silk hawk]

its just hit torso, like it was always

[wet jacinth]

Isn't that

Mk5

Mobility and defenses

Mk5 DS

[feral seal]

MK5 has better dodges but why

[rugged hare]

But
Then why is arm limb armour being taken into account?

[feral seal]

You can already out dodge any enemy with mk4

[silk hawk]

wait what? it is?

[clear heath]

it has been for a while

added last patch

was supposed to be fixed this hotfix

[wet jacinth]

Is that issue on other weapons and stuff now?

[clear heath]

no just surge and smite

[wet jacinth]

Ok

I heard of the surge having it

[spice veldt]

they prob made it ignore hitzone damage multipliers like plasma does

[clear heath]

they attempted to fix it on today's hotfix

[rugged hare]

But
Its still random though, right?
So your flak armoured damage could be null

[bold flint]

huh, im randomly getting headshots with surge

[rugged hare]

Because they just HAVE to have random limb explosions

[clear heath]

yeah it's still hitting random parts

it's just has the same armor modifier for all the parts now

[fierce crest]

That's good, so you get true aim stacks

[wet jacinth]

[clear heath]

which still screw over perks

[fierce crest]

The more varied gibbing is a bonus

[clear heath]

but at least you're not getting screwed over by arm penalty

[clear heath]

ok but most people are running flak damage on their surge staff and nearly every flak enemy has non-flak parts

so you can still randomly lose your perk's damage bonus

[digital narwhal]

I wonder when we'll get a buff to Surge Staff

[empty hemlock]

imagine running carapace on flame stave tho

[bleak tulip]

never intentionally

[clear heath]

maybe they should stop doing cosmetic changes on surge staff

they don't have a good history with those

ptsd from that time they tried to blind us

[feral seal]

I loved surge but

[silk hawk]

in total i like cosmetic change but that shit with armor...

[empty hemlock]

I run carapace on my chainsword, I can two hit crushers on damnation

[feral seal]

The sound voidstrike makes when it kills enemies with headshots is dopamine

[silk hawk]

so its more beneficial to have +5% crit chance then 25% flak on surge

[bold flint]

zapping bulwarks and hitting their carapace limbs

[mighty olive]

Agreed!

[wet jacinth]

[glossy ember]

and even if you do run unarmorued

[steel flame]

Weird lookin weapon ngl

[glossy ember]

there's still crusher with a carapace head...

so now you can randomly get fucked with crusher

err

[mighty olive]

I love that crepitus

[clear heath]

*mauler

[glossy ember]

mauler

[clear heath]

but yeah, pretty fucked up

[fierce crest]

Don't run crit chance

[steel flame]

Crusher is all carapace

[fierce crest]

That's worse

True aim

[clear heath]

fatshark pls stop cooking

[glossy ember]

wym

crit chance is the only way to normalize your damage

with surge staff

because crits always hit torso

[clear heath]

just let surge staff be ugly

[empty hemlock]

let's be honest, maulers and crushers are only an issue when there's either A) 8 of them, B) their in a horde, or C), both....

[glossy ember]

well

yes

that's when this becomes an issue

[clear heath]

one day they'll try to change the lightning color on surge staff and it'll randomly just blow you up

[glossy ember]

suddenly not being able to pop maulers as fast

becomes not greaet

[silk hawk]

wait a second....

every surge tick can hit a head

[rugged hare]

Honestly solid buff

[silk hawk]

even thou body part modifiet wont matter

[empty hemlock]

It just reverses back into you

pop

[silk hawk]

that means

that true aim

will work

with surge!?

[glossy ember]

are you sure every tick applies

[clear heath]

yeah true aim with smite is a funny interaction

[rugged hare]

Could someone define true aim I'm unfamiliar with it

[silk hawk]

every tick can hit a head

[glossy ember]

so what, we got 5 or so ticks

which means a guarenteed kill every time?

[fierce crest]

Bottom right talent

[glossy ember]

crit rather

[fierce crest]

Last one before the keystone

[rugged hare]

Aight thanks o7

[silk hawk]

with true aim

u dont need a kill

[empty hemlock]

has anyone found a 20% toughness curio? I swear I've only ever seen a 18% as the highest

[silk hawk]

u just need to HIT weak spots

[fierce crest]

Every 5 weakspot hits, guaranteed ranged crit

[uneven compass]

Been using true aim with surge since last patch and it stacks up incredibly fast so lots of crits

[fierce crest]

18% is max toughness, 21% is max health

[near wyvern]

FML I have 79% damage roll Surge (25 flak & unarmoured) and with +5% ranged and 6 warp charges if it doesn't crit or weakspot it's off by 50-70 damage for one shot gunners when cast finishes at 100% cast. WHY WHY??? I imagine 80% damage roll can't guarantee it either.

[digital narwhal]

Would you guys prefer Shred or Decimator here?

[spice veldt]

17% toughness is max

[glossy ember]

that's with 5 Pt i assume

[near wyvern]

Yes

[empty hemlock]

what?

[near wyvern]

You either need Malefic Momentum or 25+ DD stacks to get it guaranteed

[opal pebble]

I thought 17 was the max, did it change?

[fierce crest]

25????

[empty hemlock]

its gonna bug me to no end that it's not a multiple of 5

[plucky flax]

32 warp resistance is dangerous.

[fierce crest]

IDK they said they had an 18

[glossy ember]

okay yeah i see, every tick CAN hit a weakpoint

[empty hemlock]

maybe I'm miss remembering

but I thought it was

[azure bridge]

So ugh, surge staff might have a new bug....

[opal pebble]

Maybe

[empty hemlock]

so I'm already at cap with 17%?

[near wyvern]

Enlighten us

[empty hemlock]

that's so cursed

[opal pebble]

Prolly

[uneven compass]

God getting disrupt destiny stacks is obnoxious AF. Tried it a few matches and it felt terrible

[azure bridge]

I just ran a damnation using it, and if i tried to repeatedly cast the LMB attack uh, it would stagger the game and cause giant lag spikes

[glossy ember]

yeah if you hit mauler head once

it becomes a three hit

fuckkkk

[near wyvern]

They gotta let them drop a couple stacks at a time instead of drop all

[glossy ember]

Even if you hit head and then crit

[opal pebble]

Ouch

[empty hemlock]

so with 22% per curio is the most you can get?

[glossy ember]

still a 3 hit to kill

[empty hemlock]

such a weird stoping point

[clear heath]

this is why you need that elite damage aura bro

[plucky flax]

Just let me hit torso with surge.

[uneven compass]

100% or possibly allow allies in coherency that get the kill to trigger a stack for you

[near wyvern]

Can't access that and +5% ranged damage node, which is far superior for break points

[clear heath]

just let the other psyker run the cdr

rip

[bleak tulip]

by any chance do you know if the psykhanium rounding works differently than in actual games considering the 75 rating 3 stam curio being actually 2 stam and shit like that, I think I read before that psykh specifically does funny rounding sometimes and the actual game doesnt

[empty hemlock]

why is it that other Psykers never time their bubbles together on defence objectives?

[uneven compass]

Not all siblings are good siblings

[near wyvern]

Because average player has the cognitive capabilities of a pox walker

[empty hemlock]

so true

[fierce crest]

Brain spikes

Big

[empty hemlock]

last night I was in a Auric Damnation and two of my allies both had gear in the 300s

it went as well as expected

[vagrant frigate]

what was the update

[uneven compass]

I had a match with one and I feel like this mfer was literally reading my thoughts with how on the same page he was with his bubbles and everything. Felt true psyker sibling connection

[near wyvern]

Smite & Surge buff

[empty hemlock]

I've had matches like that counted on my hand, those are the ones that slip away and you never see again

[frigid sparrow]

I hope it fixes my audio. It keeps cutting out randomly, it's weird af

[vagrant frigate]

doggy :D

pfp

[silk hawk]

aye.... true aim working with surge now...

xD

[uneven compass]

Never grouping with them again sucks so much

[round summit]

is it possible to avoid a player

[ornate hamlet]

block them

[untold widget]

My favorite is when i'm running Stun shield and every time I put a stun shield up to counter a poxburster or mutant, the bubble psyker will put their dome up over my stun shield. Every. Fucking. Time.

[glossy ember]

ok done with work

[round summit]

how

[glossy ember]

lemme write that bug report on fatshark forum

[ornate hamlet]

under social

press esc

social

recently played with

[round summit]

out of game?

[ornate hamlet]

no

[round summit]

i ment

not inside a map

[ornate hamlet]

yes

[near wyvern]

Can you also make a bug report for the average player base quality?

[ornate hamlet]

i remember one time when i was using bubble shield, another psyker using wall would run out in front of my bubble and place his down

[round summit]

cant find him :/

[fringe tangle]

And probably make more then 1 enemy get marked. It's a horde game, not "Where's Wally" simulator. Like sometimes the marked enemy hides way in the back of hordes which can be a bit annoying.

[round summit]

lets hope he is gone

[potent echo]

surge is usable now

[untold widget]

Yeah, I don't mind if theres a bubble psyker on the team with me, it's great because I don't have to use stun shield to counter ranged making it much more available for mutant trains or 10,000 dogs at once

[silk hawk]

also the fact that surge ticks can reach bulwark head now

[potent echo]

but the shotgunner no oneshot is annoying

[silk hawk]

it not just zap him like before

it completelly stagger him

as if u hit him with a boilterr

[potent echo]

all these shields, just use creeping and kill everything

[fringe tangle]

Well, damage does need a buff still. For a DPS staff it sure has poor damage

[potent echo]

its unparrallel ttk on shotgunners and specials(in the past)

its not meant for sustained dps

it also synergises really well with PC

[static needle]

Which blessing is best alongside blazing spirit on illisi?

[fringe tangle]

shred or the one that crits after killing with the special, forget the name.

[static needle]

ah

[near wyvern]

You can play around that yourself. If the enemy is not within +/- 60 degrees from your crosshairs for 5 seconds it will be removed and the next eligible target in the cone will be marked

[static needle]

gotcha

[bleak tulip]

bloodthirsty

[glossy ember]

alright

[fringe tangle]

yeah, that.

[glossy ember]

if I let the whole RMB animation play

[undone fossil]

Is surge actually fixed? I’ve heard that it may not be

[glossy ember]

it kills shotgunners consistantly even on unarmored parts

[potent echo]

yesn't

[potent echo]

only if you have 6 warpcharges

or some perfect timing

[ornate hamlet]

whats with psykers being busted because of bugs or being fucked because of bugs

[near wyvern]

It still targets limbs and weakspots but when it targets a limb it deals body damage

[potent echo]

you need some buffs

[empty hemlock]

the one bad thing with bubble is if one ally doesn't have the sanctuary perk but another does, so you don't know which bubble is the good one

[untold widget]

Ok, I've made 2 375 base voidstrike staves. I'm going to attempt, ATTEMPT, to get Surge from one of them.

wish me luck siblings

[ornate hamlet]

why cant psykers just be normal

[potent echo]

why cant fatshark be normal

[glossy ember]

that's with both at max stacks

[empty hemlock]

they put funny chemicals in the water

[glossy ember]

nvm

lmfao

[potent echo]

yea its ehhh

[glossy ember]

even with both at max stacks

918 damage

on full unarmoured

cmon

[potent echo]

just like

get lucky i guess

i played 1 round just now, its ok

[glossy ember]

look

we ain't saying surge isn't viable

[near wyvern]

Slap +Unarmoured +Flak on that baby

[glossy ember]

it's just

frustrating

this shit is happening

[glossy ember]

stares in mauler head

[potent echo]

my locked perk is maniac

[north cradle]

That's acceptable. Gets rid of Dreg Ragers

[potent echo]

i tried rolling an unarmored one but 5k plasteel later nth, i just sticking with this until fatshark does something or whatever

[stuck bridge]

are we back surge siblings

[orchid shadow]

Isn't the zap slightly random? I'm testing that right now and even without the 5% ranged damage node and 20% flak, I can still 1 shot shotgunners 75% of the time on a normal hit with 6 stacks. These guys, right?

[foggy breach]

yeah they fucked it up its hitting limbs

[potent echo]

back in the garbage bin

[potent echo]

unarmored

[amber nest]

It's a half fix

[foggy breach]

oh wait you're talking about actually being able to kill things nvm

[orchid shadow]

Sorry, that was the wrong screenshot.

[orchid nest]

it has a natural damage variance, always has

[stuck bridge]

oh?

[fringe tangle]

I guess so, but it would still be nice to have one of the upgrades mark more then 1 enemy. They could just tack it onto Purloin Providence since that one is a bit mediocre atm, it's basically Battle Meditation, but a bit worse because it's only marked enemies, while Battle Meditation is any enemy.

[stuck bridge]

how so

[amber nest]

It can still hit limbs and those limbs can have different armour types

[stuck bridge]

ah

[potent echo]

if you get lucky you can oneshot

[amber nest]

So your perks may be 'invalid' despite normally working

[stuck bridge]

oh dear

[near wyvern]

It has multiple layers of randomness:

• each damage tick can target a body part resulting in increased damage (head) or normal damage (anything else)
• each tick is a random value drawn from an interval
• if you use Warp Rider (like you should) your peril level at the time of each tick affects the damage of that tick
• crits exist as well

[potent echo]

inb4 fatshark just slaps a damage buff and calls it a day

i wouldnt mind that though

[static needle]

Which purge staff has better stats? ive heard dmg is a dump stat for this staff

[silk hawk]

i dont think it deal increased dmg on head thou, since it ignores all bodypart multipliers?

[amber nest]

Also, I made this yesterday and was thinking about what to change about it. So far I've figured I'm going to keep Uncanny, but what would be a good change?

[foggy breach]

oh does it not deal reduced limbshot damage?

[amber nest]

I'm thinking maniac perk instead of Elites and then maybe Shred over Riposte?

[near wyvern]

No they made the limbshots to deal same damage as body now, hotfix was released today

[foggy breach]

probably the one on the right bc of higher cloud radius be we need to see the blessings

[foggy breach]

ah excellent surge is playable again

[orchid nest]

that would be best case scenario because fixing it the other way could lead to monstrosity damage going back. and it's actually reasonable dps on some builds

[near wyvern]

Might be the case, but will have to do some more testing to confirm

[potent echo]

I feel that it does decent damage to voidshields, but only sometimes

Does it actually roll body parts when hitting captains

[foggy breach]

oh they fixed exhilarting takedown as well

[near wyvern]

Smite seemed to do slightly more damage on the headshot ticks

[amber nest]

Yeah, I have to change my Vet's build again

[silk hawk]

did they fix rampage blessing thou?

[near wyvern]

No word so that would be a stealth change if that's the case

[orchid shadow]

Seems fairly reliable to me at 6 and not so much lucky. As long as I fully charge at 6 stacks, it's always one shotting even on normal hits

[amber nest]

So anyway, thoughts on the sword I made?

Riposte to Shred and Elites to Maniac?

[foggy breach]

pretty nice

[near wyvern]

What rolls you have, mine was off by 50-70 damage at 100% peril and full perfect timing when I didn't get any weakspot hits and when it doesn't crit

And I think mine had 79% damage

Or you mean shotgunners?

[orchid nest]

the elites roll is better than the melee weak spot one

[silk hawk]

if u use it to clear hordes use rampage instead of shred

[amber nest]

I'll be pairing it with a Surge Staff mostly

So, kinda?

[silk hawk]

so u will be clearing hordes i nmelee

means go rampage instead of shred

[amber nest]

Yeah, that was the second option I was considering

I don't like having to dodge to get the crit

It's going to make me waste my dodges

[foggy breach]

i should get an illisi sword for horde clear

[silk hawk]

elites vs wp dmg idk thou

wp dmg will apply to bosses

[amber nest]

Yeah, I'm in dubio about that one

[silk hawk]

elites dmg is more general for enemies

[amber nest]

It's easy to weak spot with the Mk IV

[silk hawk]

pick what u prefer and change another one

[glossy ember]

should I bother adding a video to my uh

bug report thread

[orchid nest]

weak spot damage isn't the whole hit, it's the difference between the hit and the weakspot damage. so it adds almost nothing

[glossy ember]

crit rng makes recording this a pain in the ass

[amber nest]

Oh, that changes a lot

[summer prairie]

just use smite and show it swapping between armor types

[amber nest]

Yeah, I'm keeping Elites then

[silk hawk]

wat is that mean?

[orchid shadow]

I'm at 80%. The only time I'm seeing it not kill at 6 stacks at around 15% peril is when it hits the unarmored part is off by like.. 10 damage. ><

[summer prairie]

or I guess that demonstration wouldn't make the perks relevant

[amber nest]

Thanks for the input everyone 🙂

[clear heath]

Just to be clear, you mean the dreg gunners and not scab ones right? Scab gunners have less hp

[glossy ember]

alright i recorded on a mauler

[idle bay]

Fixed an issue where the Psyker “Nomanus Mk VI Surge Force Staff” and “Smite” blitz would target random enemy hitzones
yay!

[foggy breach]

dreg gunners are a menace

less armor but take longer to kill

[orchid nest]

it just increases the difference between them. like if you had 100 regular damage and 200 weakspot damage, it would only increase the damage by 10

[copper torrent]

Sorry bud

[silk hawk]

hm... thats pretty bad...

[idle bay]

Not really fixed then?

[silk hawk]

its like only 5% dmg in general

[silk hawk]

seems like it will stay like that

u can count it intended change

but surge is playable anyways

[orchid shadow]

Yeah, these two guys back here

[clear heath]

sorta
it doesn't have a penalty for arms and stuff anymore
but you still hit random parts so your perks are fucked against enemies with multiple armor types

those are shotgunners

not gunners

[foggy breach]

ah bollocks didn't think about that

[shy pewter]

Now its just normal bad instead of awful!
"Fixed an issue where the Psyker "Nomanus Mk VI Surge Force Staff" and “Smite” blitz would target random enemy hitzones."

I assume, havent used it now yet

[idle bay]

That i can live with. Since i usualy run Unyelding for bosses.

[orchid nest]

the perk thing sucks but I seem to be the only person who cares the monstrosity dps is acceptable level now on it

[near wyvern]

But that's versus shotgunners right?

[clear heath]

it sucks cause flak was really useful on surge and now that's inconsistent since most flak enemies have multiple armor types

[orchid nest]

yeah for sure

[native plover]

Oh sweet they actually fixed the surge's random body part targeting. Can we go back to enjoying surge now?

[clear heath]

tfw surge hits a gunner's unarmored knee

[near wyvern]

Those are SHOTGUNNERS, they are easy one shots. Try to one shot a GUNNER without crits

[orchid shadow]

Derp, my mistake.. I re-read your post. I read "shot gunners" as shotgunners. >< crawls into corner*

[clear heath]

lol

[foggy breach]

oh wait does it ignore monster ranged resistance?

[olive ember]

unarmoured on surge finally meta?

confirmed?

[orchid nest]

yeah the side effect of the change of it ignoring hit zone modifiers seems to be it also ignores the negative modifiers monstrosities have so it does its normal unyielding damage

[glossy ember]

ok made a short showcase on mauler

[potent echo]

Flak unarmored to get decent breakpoints

[potent echo]

But then you fight mauler and 🤣

[glossy ember]

bro just a few ticks is enough tos crew up ur breakpoint

carapace op

[summer prairie]

lmb spam better

[foggy breach]

[real]

[potent echo]

Lmb spam on kind of scuffed because of the damn stagger

They duck and you miss the follow-up headshot

[glossy ember]

hadn't seen this LMAO

[near wyvern]

Been a while...

[glossy ember]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/surge-staff-still-not-completely-fixed-after-latest-hotfix/87566

[digital narwhal]

Would you guys say Uncanny + Slaughterer for a Deimos?

[orchid nest]

yeah that's good for one you still want horde clear on. you can just use uncanny and deflector too if you have horde clear on a staff

[digital narwhal]

For Gun Psyker

[orchid nest]

I would say the deflector one is still useable too in that scenario if you have assail. if you can live without it though yeah I'd take slaughterer

[limber tartan]

Depends if you're going with scrier's

[idle bay]

Then it's Uncanny + Unstable since you will be edging peril

[limber tartan]

If yes then i would take exorcist + slaughterer

[glossy ember]

ok

now i get to go play the game

[potent echo]

Go out there and put surge back on the menu

[limber tartan]

Since it will increase the duration of scrier's if you're just swinging

Which is just free damage on a horde

[glossy ember]

about time yea

wanted to change my crit rate to unarmoured but

i have 90 plasteels and 3k ordos

[digital narwhal]

Not giving up Uncanny

[limber tartan]

SOo don't

[near wyvern]

It's even good for just dealing with elites in general and perfectly usable versus monstrosities as well.

[foggy breach]

is this still up to date?https://imgur.com/a/Selj5nI

[orchid nest]

yeah absolutely

[eager horizon]

Hey Pygex! As a resident psyker expert, what magic stick would you add, if you could?

[near wyvern]

I would take unstable only if using smite cause it synergises really well with it

[digital narwhal]

If only Warp Res was dumped instead

[fresh reef]

wish I had more things that matched with this goofy head piece

[digital narwhal]

[foggy breach]

and why are there 3 BoNs

[opal pebble]

I think it matches

[near wyvern]

I would not add a single magic stick. I would make the special actually do something special (alternative spell)

[orchid nest]

I have a 7% warp resist one or something like that. gives like 42% peril or something off the top of my head

[eager horizon]

Ah. Can you speculate on an example?

[fresh reef]

it does. I just wish there were a few more leather/red/black things I could use

[near wyvern]

Adding a new magic stick would just bring pain to my siblings cause crafting is horrible.

[uneven compass]

Anyone else using Surge + Illisi sword + assail? Finding Surge nice for gunners/specials/elites/general use, then the combination of Illisi for horde clear mixed in with burst of several assail shards. Seems to cover basically everything with the exception of slow carapace killing

[digital narwhal]

Unique M1's, too.

[opal pebble]

Yeah I misread sry

[fresh reef]

basically every other chest piece with leather that's also the same shade of red has an ungodly amount of dirt on it

[eager horizon]

Well, in this hypothetical, lets say crafting is fixed.

[glossy ember]

surge special where you get to throw zeus' very own lightning bolt like a javelin

[fresh reef]

who shat on my uniform, fatshark? did I dumpster dive for this thing?

[opal pebble]

That’s just assail that looks like lightning

[coarse bane]

So is surge staff decent with the fix, haven't had a chance to try it yet.

[opal pebble]

Unless it blows up on impact

[chilly mantle]

it's a voidstrike staff in your hand

[opal pebble]

Yeah like voidstrike

[glossy ember]

much better yes but not as good as patch 14

still, plenty usable now

[chilly mantle]

me with lightning bolt blitz

[opal pebble]

I’ll stick with trauma for now

[fresh reef]

better than patch 13 though with the True Aim/Smite interaction

[coarse bane]

Patch 14 was broken but fun. Lol. I'll take good over not worth it.

[glossy ember]

I don't have enough points to grab true aim

[fresh reef]

embrace the stoneless build

one of us

[glossy ember]

[coarse bane]

I've been having a lot of success with Voidstrike, warp siphon build.

[lucid pewter]

is gunsyker viable?

[coarse bane]

Lots of damage, venting shriek is up so often, and lots of CC.

[shy crag]

omg Surge and Smite is so much better now, thank you devs.

[coarse bane]

Gunsyker is niche/meme

[lucid pewter]

i hear people are melting bosses with it

[pale dome]

take a lasgun thats shooting really fast and go commit warcrimes brother

[near wyvern]

For purge that would be something like cast a fire ball, obviously. Give it some tremendous gravity and a bit slower travel time to make it a skill ball.

Surge I would make a single target beam channel that starts with slow damage but ramps up extremely high if you manage to channel it for a bit longer time, meant as a monstrosity damage tool but requires careful usage of venting shreik and protection from your team (or focused channeling blessing) to pull off

For Trauma I would keep melee but make it purely vertical, very short range AOE cone, Knocks down even crushers, opens up Bulwakrs and applies max stacks brittleness regardless of your blessings. Like a slam dunk if you will.

For Voidstrike I would give the ability to dash through warp at the cost of peril and make some minor stagger on entry and exit points but no real damage.

[worthy scaffold]

anyone got a build to complete two of these? tyty

[shy crag]

yeah i never realised how much my crit surge build actually crit until they linked the exploding animation into it now

I feel like a bloody Asha'man.

[limber tartan]

Almost ideal, if i could only swap flak for unyielding

[digital narwhal]

Obscurus buff when?

[near wyvern]

Even then it would be hard to make a staff that wouldn't overlap with the existing staves and weapons.

[digital narwhal]

Yes

[pale dome]

bthw, does anyone know how to keep ur warp charges at max for 5 min for a penance? This one is goofy and I dont even know where to start

[digital narwhal]

Wait, does the FS push not generate Peril anymore?

Fuck

I used that to keep my Peril up

[eager horizon]

What about a support staff? One not focused on CC.

[limber tartan]

Really

[potent echo]

need to try the push attack

[limber tartan]

I used to not do it when im at 100

[near wyvern]

@lucid pewter revolver (with smite) and columnus (with assail) are your best Gunker options right now

[potent echo]

push hasnt cost peril for almost half a year now

[orchid nest]

the push doesn't, the push attack should but it only increases peril if it hits something

[digital narwhal]

Oh I know

I mean the push attack

[eager horizon]

Damn, those are some good ideas.

[digital narwhal]

Ah, if it hits?

[near wyvern]

Cannot carry with one so honestly don't care

[orchid nest]

yeah

[eager horizon]

Fair enough

[orchid nest]

on the plus side, push attack to the head stacks uncanny

from like 10m out

[foggy breach]

you don't really need a specific build. literally anything with brainburst and empowered psi for the former, and then venting shriek for the latter and just play a bit riskier so you can shout the daemons away more often.

[proud hinge]

@near wyvern revolves*

[fierce crest]

If you connect with the push follow-up attack that's what generates peril

[near wyvern]

Even more importantly, it is a very good follow up on bursters should they decide to ignore your push

[foggy breach]

so for trauma, the gandalf thou shalt not pass thing

[near wyvern]

How to tell someone has been playing Gunker a lot lately thx will fix

[orchid nest]

yeah, it's nice being able to potentially save a team mate without putting yourself in danger too

[lucid pewter]

what are the best guns for gunsyker?

[foggy breach]

revvy to leverage crit i think

[proud hinge]

revolver and columnus

[orchid nest]

laspistol as well. although like all the IAGs and stuff are viable now. but for popular stuff, yeah, those 3

[eager mantle]

373 white columnus > crit chance > hit & run > crit dmg > stripped down

[near wyvern]

#psyker-class message

[near wyvern]

Classic hadron experience

Can't put flak on it and fix both blessings

[bleak tulip]

the one in the pin is the latest that I know of

[digital narwhal]

Ye Subhuman already told me

[foggy breach]

yeah i was asking about hte one in pins, its gotta be out of date now though its been a year hasn't it?

[fierce crest]

I'm still so sad they nerfed speed load

It felt so good before

[bleak tulip]

think its been updated with patch 13

the health numbers were correct when I checked

[near wyvern]

I still keep dodge sliding before reloads on revolver...

And sprint sliding

[hollow current]

never. it'll remain obscure

[near wyvern]

Obscurus is forever doomed by the attack patterns

[fierce crest]

So why did they need to nerf it

It wasn't even good

It was just fun

[near wyvern]

It would need a crazy buff to make it worth taking Obscurus with those moves

[fierce crest]

Now it's neither

[digital narwhal]

Maybe rework the moveset like they did for the Mk IV Cleaver on Ogryn

[near wyvern]

It would be nice if they made speedload inverted and call it tactical reload, the less bullets you are missing in the magazine, the more reload speed you get

[orchid nest]

I said this a bit earlier but I think it needs to abandon its current special to deimos and have something unique to make it worth taking. and fix the weird upper slash light attack

[unborn flicker]

What is the worst force sword?

[near wyvern]

Obscurus

[unborn flicker]

Hm they should add a Spinney attack where you go around in a circle

[fierce crest]

The nauseator

[hollow current]

they should make it so blood thirsty gives obscurus 5 seconds of crits again

[near wyvern]

Spin for the win

That would make it interesting

[fresh reef]

@near wyvern checking my math, does 6SB deal approx. 270 damage? (armor modifiers not withstanding)

[unborn flicker]

Spin too much though and you hurl

[kind jay]

make it shoot waves like the master sword

[eager mantle]

Be like yoshimitsu and get dizzy and fall down after too many

[fierce crest]

Unpowered attack that generates peril and doesn't count as a warp attack

[static needle]

Good roll? warp res is dump stat right?

[near wyvern]

Yes, a bit less than 270, 269 is closer

[unborn flicker]

Maybe like a little wave of fire on the ground in a straight line for when you slam it down on the ground

[unborn flicker]

You empower that weapon once and you’re going to explode

[wet belfry]

Make obscurus special an instant explosion of self.

Psyker will not need grenades if psyker is the grenade

[orchid nest]

that is the kind of warp resist roll that I wouldn't care about on deimos but being that low it could feel pretty bad on an illisi

[unborn flicker]

You kind of want that special attack

I really wish we could get one or two more swings, though, like the power sword gets

[obtuse moth]

i like warp resistance on illisi but the overwhelming majority of the channel prefers it as a dump stat

[orchid nest]

i'm not sure but I would just guess that is like 30% peril on use or something

[clear heath]

low warp res on illisi doesn't really bother me much

[orchid nest]

I don't mind it as a dump stat on illisi but like.. 60% dump stat

[clear heath]

you still only need to quell 1 tick to use it again

[obtuse moth]

high peril and peril gen is the aim half the time

for more damage and for toughness gen

[eager mantle]

Eh. I only invest into anything 360 and up. Weapons like these I kinda just play around with or scrap for the blessings

[clear heath]

ideally i want my illisi to generate between 20-30% peril

something like 40 peril would probably bother me

too low and it becomes a pain to generate peril when i need it

[orchid nest]

at least with the illisi you can jerk it off a bit if you need peril even if it's a bit higher

[clear heath]

yeah but if it's like actually maxed warp res it's little annoying

[orchid nest]

now I just need to finish rolling this

[hot zephyr]

I'm with you here. I'll take something that's like ~350 with 4 god-rolls and a 48% dump stat, but when anything is below 50% it just gets crippling

[obtuse moth]

i like it, lets me spam charged attacks constantly on mutants/ragers/maulers/crushers/monstrosities

[hot zephyr]

That is CURSED lol

That is 100% deamon possessed lol

[obtuse moth]

really depends on the stat and the rollable range

[smoky turtle]

sprint efficiency

[obtuse moth]

oh wow that looks great. hard to get peril up on deimos

[stuck finch]

Whats is the best gun for a crackhead DD Gunker playstyle

[smoky turtle]

The one you like most :)

[stuck finch]

No like I need to feel I'm on amphetamines

[hot zephyr]

MG 1a Infantry Las for headshots, Columnus if you like stealing all the ammo and spraying like a firehose

[orchid nest]

columnus then

[stuck finch]

I don't mind revolver but will try las

[obtuse moth]

crackhead i would say pistols (laspistol, revolver, shredder) if you are mostly melee for their quickswap potential or yeah columnus IAG (not the other columnus) for its dakkadakka spray and pray

[eager mantle]

I would save this weapon just for the absurdity of it

[glossy ember]

unironically best in slot

[orchid nest]

yeah I've had it for a while it would actually be useable good if it rolls uncanny and I can replace both perks

[stuck finch]

I don't like the Columnus kickback but yes it sprays ammo

[eager mantle]

With high stability it's recoil is very minimal

[lyric burrow]

Most things also die before the recoil kicks in

Graia iag is a good alternative if your really worried about recoil

[eager mantle]

But man your ammo just disappears when you start using it

[limber tartan]

That is why i run a laspistol

[lyric burrow]

Less fire rate tho

[limber tartan]

Yea but i don't spray and pray that i hit something

[eager mantle]

If lasguns can get fire, IAGs should get bleed or brittleness blessings

[worthy scaffold]

but the mechanic basics is build up the empowered and then spam to 100?

[obtuse moth]

you can burst fire iags, dont have to hold down lmb

just above 84%

[plucky flax]

Good man.

[eager mantle]

I think my columnus has like 75 or higher stability. Very easy to burst fire

[spice veldt]

at least on the columnus, you may want to spray cuz of crit strings

[foggy breach]

you'd want to grab a staff like purgatus that can deal with groups and then spam brainburst against any elites you see. then whenever you have venting shriek up you should use all your abilties until you hit 100% peril and go into the exploding animation and then just ult

[plucky flax]

I only use gun when there's ammo vet in the team.

[eager mantle]

I still use it without any vets but it does become only really a boss or too many specials/elites in a room. Or with how the director has been lately when there's whole parties of ragers or gunners

[plucky flax]

When no vet I prefer revolver.

Since most targets die in 1 or 2 shots.

[fierce crest]

Blam blam

[desert mirage]

holy shit, lmao

[prime elk]

lol wtf

[plucky flax]

Enjoy wearing ankles weight.

[lucid pewter]

what's the difference between left click and right click smite

[desert mirage]

maybe my psyker is into that

[untold widget]

what a roll lmao

[prime elk]

Right click spreads faster and you can’t blow yourself up

[obtuse moth]

left click starts on one target and doesnt require chargeup, then slowly spreads if you continue to cast. good for stopping one enemy RIGHT NOW. just click it don't hold it down

[glossy ember]

damn i forgot how to use surges taff

[obtuse moth]

both left click and right click require channeling for a long time for stop mutants

[bold flint]

but what if the more full the mag was the faster the reload is

[glossy ember]

or rather, scrier with it

[plucky flax]

Play creeping flame surge like a normal person.

[eager mantle]

Played with purg/smite last night. I felt so helpless seeing snipers or gunners in the distance

[obtuse moth]

weird combo

[plucky flax]

Why it's pretty popular. I also play surge and smite.

[eager mantle]

Surge at least has some range

[plucky flax]

Left click with surge for snipers.

[eager mantle]

Purge is...I can't do shit past 10m

[glossy ember]

so can you not block maulers without kinetic deflection

[plucky flax]

Oh wait I read wrong it's purg and smite. My bad.

[foggy breach]

the palpatine combo

[limber tartan]

Not sure if soulblaze into my gun psyker is worth the cost, for the record that's both Perilous Combistion and Wildfire and Blazing spirit III on force sword

[hot zephyr]

I always pair Purge with Assail now for this reason. Gunners you just chuck a few shards and laugh

And by a few I mean... like 7

[foggy breach]

does soulblaze count as a ranged attack?

more importantly, does surge staff count as a ranged attack?

[limber tartan]

Probably

[limber tartan]

Because that additional 50k warpfire damage cost me around 40 toughness

[plucky flax]

Are you not using creeping flame?

[limber tartan]

Hold on let me just post my current build that i run