psyker-class

[near wyvern]

If you can choose that would be flurry but it's quite a painful roll to get for a staff that probs is gonna change next patch

[hasty valve]

No I haven't installed any mods. Maybe it's something I got with the imperial edition or something? Some weapons have alt skins, not all though

So it's basically perfect you think? Save for some tier 4 stuff. I sure like it at least 😄

[lime creek]

ty

[mental grail]

You get another coat, go fuck yourself

[half iron]

so true!
i am going to activate perils of the warp now

[desert mirage]

Oh hey, these stats are pretty nice

[mental grail]

Praise the omnissiah immediately.

[desert mirage]

I did ofc

[mental grail]

And then give IT to me.

[desert mirage]

never

[undone carbon]

hey what should I pair w smite?

[mental grail]

🫵

[quasi junco]

Can someone plz critique my build? I don't play enough Psyker to know if this is good. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9aa05e5c-4220-4d26-ada7-9da564a8ada4

The force sword is for shtf situations

[mental grail]

Flayer over Kinetic Resonance? Especially with a warp-charge build?

What are you cooking

[lime creek]

praise da emperah

[quasi junco]

I like the chance of insta popping crushers etc, but I can try and switch it up

Also perfect timing is for all crits right? Works with trauma crits?

[mortal marsh]

I love seeing in every patch that hair clipping has been fixed on certain headwear and then I find out that hair still clips through on Psyker Hoods

[mortal marsh]

Melk was selling pretty much the same roll for me on a Purgatus Staff

A fair bit less base stat modifiers though

[lime creek]

da emperah is truly with us htne

do I go insane trying to get a perfect roll on voidstrike staff? Or not worth it

[mortal marsh]

Still prob the best overall staff with the fix to Surge so go ahead

Where does the Purgatus Staff perform best? Haven't used it yet but I understand it functions like Sienna's Firestorm Staff in VT2

DoTs on hordes I assume

[quasi junco]

Yes, and I believe the light attacks cause good stagger

[bright ether]

DoTs on hordes with SB stacks being applied per secondary attack I'm p sure

I ran trauma last night tho after they messed up surge and was having a lot of fun with it

[mortal marsh]

Is the primary like the Flamer then with strong single target stagger?

[bright ether]

Kinda? I haven't used it as much but it staggers with lmb while not generating too much peril

I think you can get terrifying suppression as well for close quarter horde clear and breathing room if you prefer

[rigid rune]

what is this thing? I only know dueling swords and staffs

[quasi junco]

Caxes are great, change Shred to either decimator or headtaker, and the crit chance to maniac

I prefer Rashad (on zealot)

only use heavies for carapace, light spam for literally everything else

[inland flower]

How should I proceed with this one? Surgical for headhunter? Crit for maniac?

or maybe just surgical 2 for 4

[winter magnet]

yall prefer + toughness or + health curios?

[winter magnet]

yea

[mortal marsh]

I generally just go one health two toughness

[inland flower]

You mean yes to both?

[winter magnet]

that's what I would do with it yea

[winter magnet]

Ive been running one stamina and two hp

[inland flower]

You think flak at only 20% would stop me from hitting some breakpoints or sumthing?

[winter magnet]

you can go into the training area and test before hand

if you think 5% more damage will make a difference then swap it

[inland flower]

aight I'll check it out

No chance that 4% crit would be more useful than maniac right?

[winter magnet]

I highly doubt it

[inland flower]

Or maybe go unarmored instead of maniacs for shooters, I'll have to test it

[glossy ember]

can you go into psykhenarium and test if you can reliably one shot shotgunners

plezse

[azure bridge]

Man I used to not like the trauma staff but now I can't get enough of it

It's such a shut up and sit down button

[quiet summit]

Really? Antax all day everyday when it comes to caxes 😄 the fact u can hit multiple enemies with the strike down is just nice, but i guess it is up to personal preference on these 2

[static needle]

Should this build be using purge staff instead in your opinions? https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a9f5c6d-cc4d-405c-9f2d-cd2b2fffe210/brainburstsoulblaze-spam

[proven dagger]

Quick question, does Warp Battery require me to keep the charges up in one go or just 300sec in one mission with interruptions?

[proven dagger]

I'm running a very similar build with Purge, that works great

[severe laurel]

Does teh damage stat matter much on a Purgatus staff?

[static needle]

no

god roll!! 🥲

[severe laurel]

Excellent 😄

[static needle]

at least i think so

i know its not as important at all as burn and cloud

[glossy ember]

congrats on your god base

now gamble

[severe laurel]

Not too bad I guess..

[static needle]

warp nexus very nice

swap terrifying with blazing spirit

[glossy ember]

wow

[static needle]

god roll

[glossy ember]

that's fantastic

[static needle]

sure is!

[idle aurora]

There is no blaze spirit for purga. Barrage - Warp flurry. Spec - flak

Enjoy burning world

[static needle]

ah shiiied

wait why is barrage good? it isnt right?

ive heard its dogshite

[idle aurora]

It is, that's why i said flurry

[summer prairie]

deathspitter seems better than fire frenzy on columnus for the extra cleave

[static needle]

flurry isnt needed for purge

its continuous as soon as it startsa

wouldnt say its better than a different option

[idle aurora]

Wtf are you talking about? I am answering to guy with purgatus

[bleak tulip]

terrifying is shit on literally everything that can get it

[static needle]

meant purge sry

[kind jay]

barrage is bad because staves already suppress by default

[static needle]

and ive got it the last 3 times when consecrating to yellow tier 🥲

[static needle]

thoughts?

[idle aurora]

They need either buff it's range to like 16 meters and make effect stronger. Or rework from the ground

[bleak tulip]

its one of the only two good blessings on purg

literally only nexus and flurry are worth a damn

[static needle]

oh really? no other good ones that nexus and flurry??

wow

[bleak tulip]

theyre all bad imo

[idle aurora]

You can argue that uninterrupted secondary cast can be useful, but imo, faster cast is much more useful

[bleak tulip]

run and gun is a meme, terrifying might be the worst blessing in the game and focused channeling is entirely unecessary because dodge exists

[static needle]

it is indeed a meme of all time

[lapis linden]

surge staff seems a bit weaker after the patch?

[glossy ember]

it's bugged

now hits random limbs

[bleak tulip]

flurry lets you charge higher faster, its not super necessary but it lowers the duration you arent flaming which is a direct dps increase

and until there is something better its pretty mandatory imo

[desert mirage]

worth?

[echo frigate]

Uh

[bleak tulip]

ehh its not great but if its better than what you have

[half iron]

more like lamestrike

[bleak tulip]

WR is kind of a dump stat but thats quite low

[glossy ember]

bro shoots once and instantly blows up

[lapis linden]

oh damn... back to purgatus or void then

[echo frigate]

You'll only be able to fire off like 2 charged shots

[bleak tulip]

and damage is the most important stat on the weapon

so it being that low isnt ideal either

I generally dont even look at weapons under 350

[desert mirage]

how about

[bleak tulip]

better, not ideal because blast radius matters for the projectile size a little

[desert mirage]

and i found an uncanny perk finally

unstable even

[cerulean lily]

What actually@is the biggest dump star for voidstrike? Is it warp resistance

[echo frigate]

What level us your psyker?

[echo frigate]

Yeah

[desert mirage]

30+2

[bleak tulip]

low key just stop looking for blessings in brunt store, you can only get good ones from self crafted, melk and gifts

[echo frigate]

Oh then your just getting ass rolls

[glossy ember]

i unironically want a force sword with 0% warp resistance

because that means higher scaling on warp rider every empowerment

[bleak tulip]

and finding weapons in brunt store is more of a happy accident than the norm

[desert mirage]

but when im still unlocking blessings its fair enough

[bleak tulip]

I mean you literally will never use a blessing under 3 if youre serious about it

and brunt store doesnt even give 3's

(I thnk it might have the tiniest chance to give 3s but I dont think ive ever seen it)

[desert mirage]

piss poor damage

[bleak tulip]

eat it for blessing

thats a 3

eat

[desert mirage]

yummy

[bleak tulip]

eat all 3's and 4s if the base rating or stat line sucks

[desert mirage]

👀

[echo frigate]

Damn

[desert mirage]

would change sustained fire but

[echo frigate]

I mean thats pretty good but not great

[desert mirage]

also this looks good

[echo frigate]

But is far better than what you'll get most of the time

[bleak tulip]

eat sustained for a future patch where its not worse than other options

dont know if it might trigger on higher charges like it does for other staves?

or if it only applies to left click on void

[desert mirage]

this looks worth eating too

[bleak tulip]

yeah

shit finesse, eat it

[desert mirage]

trauma is the ground AOE right

[bleak tulip]

yes

this ones good stats

consecrate

ranged crit is good too for blaze

[stable silo]

hadron what have u done to my boy

[desert mirage]

noted, wish I could lock in certain weapons

[bleak tulip]

theres mods for that

but yeah

tired of every QoL feature needing mods

[desert mirage]

this curio seems good but idk

[stable silo]

17% toughness is max

[bleak tulip]

its ok

[desert mirage]

toughness speed, combat regen

[bleak tulip]

combat regen is nice to have

[stable silo]

u want 1 curio stat max then u can reroll other 2 to get optimum curio

[bleak tulip]

top roll curios are so rare you can live with not optimal for a long time

still havent found aother 17% toughness on psyker

[stable silo]

really? i find alot of top stat curios

maybe im just getting lucky

[desert mirage]

also by third and fourth shots, what does that actually mean, each burst you do? or a whole magazine

[bleak tulip]

brunt basically never has em and gifts are a crapshoot

I aint running curio chance fuck that

and Im not bending over backwards for 1% toughness

[stable silo]

does overpowering souls proc if u yourself dont get the kill ?

[verbal furnace]

noob question, is a flamer psyker build, fully into the left branch of the tree still a viable option? I see a lot of psykers running with shields

[bleak tulip]

which ones that again

[kind jay]

perilous combustion and vent shriek with creeping flames are good on any build

[stable silo]

is the EP proc on elite kill

[kind jay]

dont bother with wildfire

[rigid rune]

You'll want to pick up assail for ranged enemies while using purg

[bleak tulip]

dont think so, has to be yours

[stable silo]

i see thanks

trying to decide if EP or warp charges for smite

did an auric damn with warp charges and got like 30k staggered but dmg was so low

i usually run assail lol

[bleak tulip]

I mean the damage is never good no smite

its a CC tool

[stable silo]

yea i also ate the charges every 2 seconds with dome spam i wanna try scream

smite then scream then smite while burn

[desert mirage]

I miss the lightening bug

[bleak tulip]

you can just scream mid smite

scream doesnt interrupt anything

thats why its go good

[stable silo]

really?

dang

[bleak tulip]

yeah try it out

[desert mirage]

is the damage better, or the burn stacks

[stable silo]

burn stax always

[desert mirage]

cause ive always gone burn

[stable silo]

i have learned this

[bleak tulip]

burn

[kind jay]

youll need to vent at 84+ to get full stacks

[bleak tulip]

scream direct damage doesnt even kill horde enemies

[stable silo]

what u guys run with smite usually EP or warp

[bleak tulip]

its completely shit

I never run EP on anything

[desert mirage]

that ass damage

[bleak tulip]

I guess I would run it for BB but I cant stand that

[bleak tulip]

imo dont spend melkies on tier 3 blessings

[lofty temple]

I'm levelling a new Psyker and started using Assail without Quick Shards

It seemed balanced

[bleak tulip]

3s are common enough that you'd be wasting them

[lofty temple]

Then I got quick shards

[summer prairie]

EP is worse but quite fun with a smite creeping flames build, you run it with 12.5% stack chance and you usually get it back immediately

[lofty temple]

I see why people complain

[proven dagger]

Just wait until you get to T5+, it really isn't as strong there anymore

[lofty temple]

Blah blah

[proven dagger]

The people complaining came from lower tiers, understandably

[lofty temple]

I just got kicked

lol

[proven dagger]

Yeah, in lower tiers there's less cannon fodder and generally enemies to kill, at which the shards are great

[stable silo]

eh i use assail ust fine in auric damnation im usually really high in dmg and elite kills u just gota run the voidstrike to deal with armor

[proven dagger]

And since other people want to play, too - well

[bleak tulip]

yeah that'd be the low tiers thinking assail is the issue of their woes

[stable silo]

u need to weapon swap though because assail gets overwhelmed fastd

[proven dagger]

Or Surge. I'm not saying it's weak, but it's not extremely OP

[stable silo]

oh def not op

[proven dagger]

That's the point, yeah

[sturdy dagger]

dont use surge siblings

[stable silo]

malefic momentum is top tier for assail

[sturdy dagger]

in case anyone doesnt know surge has a new bug causing it to randomly deal -50% dmg

fartshark

[stable silo]

slash a few trash with the swords wip out the shards and away u go

[severe laurel]

You run assail for purg, but doesn't that mean giving up Wildfire, is Wildfire not that good?

[proven dagger]

Oh ffs, can I have the old bug back then?

[stable silo]

is wildfire still bugged?

[sturdy dagger]

ikr

[stable silo]

i was only giving out 2 stax maxed before

it*

[sturdy dagger]

surge is hitting random body parts every cast

[proven dagger]

That explains why it felt so weirdly weak lately

[sturdy dagger]

so it can hit limbs

and limbs take 50% reduced ranged dmg

the copium trade off though is u can now headshot

rarely

[bleak tulip]

wildfire isnt good in general

[proven dagger]

Yay

[bleak tulip]

it doesnt add stacks beyond 4

[sturdy dagger]

i use BB with purge 2 great affect

[proven dagger]

Whole different question, do you happen to know if Warp Battery is currently doable?

[sturdy dagger]

ofc

[bleak tulip]

dont think it was in the patch notes to I'd say so

[proven dagger]

I tried a few times now and don't seem to be getting further, but I am stuck at 283, so maybe I never reached it

[sturdy dagger]

oh the pennance?? no idea

[bleak tulip]

try higher difficulties, more specials and elites means easier maintenance

[proven dagger]

Yeah, the penance. Sorry, lol

[merry night]

warp battery worked before the patch at least

[severe laurel]

BB with EP?

[sturdy dagger]

i mighjt be mixing up names, warp battery, warp siphon, warp bottyhole

[proven dagger]

People keep killing those sadly

[sturdy dagger]

no

the fast cast from shriek is enough for me

[west stream]

Looking for infernus for my pistol shall be end of my plasteel lol

[sturdy dagger]

Ep is great i just prefer no cooldown shriek for purge

[severe laurel]

Ah fair enough

I just really hate losing my stacks 😄

[proven dagger]

Do you happen to know if I need to keep the stacks without losing one for 300s or just 300s in the mission overall?

[merry night]

300s in a row

[severe laurel]

Is perilous combustion pretty bad as well then?

[proven dagger]

That explains why it didn't work yet

[severe laurel]

You fellas need an ogrynomicon 😄

[bleak tulip]

we cant all be blessed like ogryn chat

[sturdy dagger]

you guys are getting teammates?

[proven dagger]

Well yes, random ones. I wish I didn't rn

This penance might actually be easier alone

[fresh reef]

We have one

[sturdy dagger]

i get people there just like

worse than bots

[sturdy dagger]

perilous good

[proven dagger]

Ah, great

[sturdy dagger]

kill 30 ragers with one cast of purge

[proven dagger]

Perilous is fun, yeah

Especially with warp charges

[sturdy dagger]

perilous value scales with difficulty

[proven dagger]

And of course purge staff

[bleak tulip]

its one of the best talents we have

especially in higher tiers

[sturdy dagger]

pretty sure a couple of people where argueing its dogshit last night

[bleak tulip]

where you blow up lke 7 gunners at a time sometimes

[sturdy dagger]

[stable silo]

perilous is great u get such a rush with assail EP procs into perilous say in a gunner or shotgun swarm

[fresh reef]

I mean it's not meta, but it's not anywhere close to the dumpster like Surge is atm lol

[static needle]

Which blessing to yoink?

exe?

[sturdy dagger]

id argue its pretty meta ngl

[proven dagger]

I'm mad about this, I love Surge

[sturdy dagger]

exe sucks

they both suck

[sturdy dagger]

same bro i used it before EP bug and now its just

so sad

i used it during bug 2 but i could handle going back 2 normal surge not

whatever this noodle launcher is

[proven dagger]

Surge from Patch 13 was great fun

The bug made it a little too strong, I wish they'd just gone back

[sturdy dagger]

the crazy part is people think the change might have been intentional

[proven dagger]

I don't even like voidstrike that much
Maybe I'll go Trauma for a while

[sturdy dagger]

cause they did just change the coding on surge and smite and now they hit random body parts but like

[azure bridge]

trauma is hella fun

[sturdy dagger]

fartshark please

[proven dagger]

It wasn't in the patchnotes I think

[static needle]

Acceptable roll?

[bleak tulip]

sure

[sturdy dagger]

change infested to flak and nexus to tier 4 and vault it until buff

[obtuse moth]

its fine

[proven dagger]

No god roll, but certainly acceptable

[sturdy dagger]

i think? idk about flak

[obtuse moth]

i like unyielding personally

[sturdy dagger]

maybe maniac its iffy but imma say flak

[potent echo]

Flak for sure

[bleak tulip]

flak is fine

[potent echo]

Almost all elites are flak

[proven dagger]

Flak over maniac on purge

[bleak tulip]

purg hits center mass so flak is the best choice

[potent echo]

Esp the ones you want to kill fast

Like shotgunners

[sturdy dagger]

WAIT THATS A PURGE STAFF

[static needle]

Is the actual in-match effectiveness of this compared to a god roll so different? i have a lvl 4 nexus blessing as well for purge

[sturdy dagger]

bro customization is so wacky i saw the staff head hes using and just assumed it was surge cause thats the one i use

[bleak tulip]

for a purg it's minimal

[potent echo]

It's just 6 less % chance to crit so maybe

[sturdy dagger]

just put on tier 4 nexus and flak and ur good 2 go

[static needle]

nice!

[fresh reef]

This jebait has happened since you could change staff models, and my god it's always funny

[bleak tulip]

no BP's to hit really

[obtuse moth]

from that one? its not far off except having two +25% damage perks

[potent echo]

Maybe your empathic gets less consistent but oh well you shouldn't be relying on it anyway

[static needle]

is 80% cloud some kinda threshhold or is it just that u ideally want i maxed?

[sturdy dagger]

i use crit chance regardless cause im a creature who likes yellow numbers in training

[proven dagger]

I just found out my one Trauma staff is pretty crappy. Well, let's go gamble

[potent echo]

No threshold you just want it as high as possible

[obtuse moth]

don't need 80%, you do need 15 stacks of burning

[bleak tulip]

76 is the threshold for burn, cloud is just higher better

[obtuse moth]

^

[potent echo]

I wouldn't take less that 75 cloud

[proven dagger]

I've got a whole 5k plasteel

[static needle]

ok well whats the differance between 74% and 80? noticable at all?

or like will it make difference?

[potent echo]

It's in the numbers

[static needle]

alr alr

gotcha

[potent echo]

80 is close to 16m

[bleak tulip]

it's a little bit less range

[potent echo]

Anything less is less

So if you tag and you see 15m you hitting it for sure

[bleak tulip]

it's not a huge deal, don't let perfect be the enemy of good

[static needle]

okay so what should i run for perk?

i can change it if i wanna

[potent echo]

Flak mainly

The other is up to you

[static needle]

crit chance no good?

[potent echo]

I like maniac, some swear by crit chance

[bleak tulip]

crit chance is good

[potent echo]

It won't make a huge difference

[proven dagger]

Unarmoured works fine in my experience as well, but flak is probably better

[potent echo]

Unarmored only has 3 enemies

[static needle]

i mean crit chance isnt that useful tho i just figured out.... cause its rapidly firing so ill get crits easily

[bleak tulip]

unless that got changed crits apply two stacks of SB or some such, not a purg gamer myself

[sturdy dagger]

[static needle]

shouldnt have upgraded nexus to 4 i think... idk tho

[sturdy dagger]

but why

[fresh reef]

Man, Mettle with Purgatus is stupid stupid

[static needle]

whatchu think?

[potent echo]

Yea it does but you don't need 5% extra

[obtuse moth]

crits apply two but still cap at 15

[sturdy dagger]

thats bizzare logic

[potent echo]

Yea you still cap at 15

[sturdy dagger]

rapid fire and high crit chance means ur almost always critting

[fresh reef]

Legit think I might just drop Soulstealer at this rate

[sturdy dagger]

free toughness with that one talent

[potent echo]

So realistically the 5% crit doesn't carry you far

[static needle]

in hindsight, yes

[proven dagger]

Really? Whoop, might have mixed something up then. Staff is pretty old and I just never rolled for another one lol

[summer prairie]

if you crit with your last application you get to 16

[static needle]

i just realized, mettle

[potent echo]

Unarmored is dreg stalker, bruiser, groaner

[sturdy dagger]

just tier 4 nexus and swap infested to flak and u have a perfectly fine purge staff

dont overthink it

[potent echo]

Those die really fast anyway

[static needle]

k

[potent echo]

It's a perhaps kind of deal

[bleak tulip]

purg crits pretty often with nexus and +5 in my experience

[potent echo]

Just nexus is fine you are already at 32.5%

You do want the 5% in your tree though so take that

[fresh reef]

Do you guys think BB or Assail is a better pairing for Purgatus? (with consideration to auras and other talents)

[potent echo]

But to replace maniac with 5% crit I think it's not worth

[sturdy dagger]

i say BB

[potent echo]

BB purge usually

[proven dagger]

Fun Fact, I just looked it up on Gameslantern. They place Scabs as unarmoured too, because - what?

[sturdy dagger]

even if ur met with a pack of gunners just shriek and do rapid BB's

[potent echo]

They have unarmored parts, like legs

But soulblaze counts them as flak

[bleak tulip]

assail prob because using BB makes me wanna explode my own head

[proven dagger]

I see

[azure bridge]

I like breaking peoples legs with trauma

it amuses me greatly

[potent echo]

Assail alr kind of does purg job

[proven dagger]

Purge+assail is basically horde clear and horde clear with longer range

[potent echo]

BB has less overlap with purg

[proven dagger]

Yup

[potent echo]

And it's mainly for utility like sniper 100m away

[bleak tulip]

assail can deal with ranged targets faster than BB is the real reason I would take it

[potent echo]

Or bulwarks far away

[sturdy dagger]

BB is also lowkey not even that bad just accept the fact ur not gonna kill crushers fast with it

[bleak tulip]

people sleep on assail right click

[sturdy dagger]

shooters sure

[proven dagger]

Or for that damn Warp Battery penance. Speaking of which, should get back to it

[sturdy dagger]

gunners are funny assail dmg is dead i swear

[potent echo]

I don't sit back and assail ranged enemies on purg, rush in and burn them all

[bleak tulip]

gunners are 2 shit right click iirc

shot

and it bounces

to the other gunners

[sturdy dagger]

okay but

[bleak tulip]

BB doesnt

[sturdy dagger]

firing 2 right clicks takes longer than BB

(with shriek)

[bleak tulip]

okay, but it bounces

you're killing multiple gunners

[potent echo]

Or you throw 2 to stagger

Run in and burn

Same thing really

[sturdy dagger]

i can try it but i get by just fine popping shriek and BB'ing like 5 of em

[potent echo]

Oh I don't run any BB talent

[fresh reef]

Only reason I'm considering Assail is because I like the aesthetic, and it's less to think about when killing gunners and such

[sturdy dagger]

also without BB ur options for crushers is suddenyl either uncanny bug or some melee for killing em

[potent echo]

It's purely there for utility

#1158835513789272126 message

[sturdy dagger]

BB without the speedup from shriek? id kms

[potent echo]

Yea I don't use bb at all

Outside of niche situation

[west stream]

Assail is best at short intermediate range for burst damage against horde or large groups of specs

[potent echo]

Just purg and melee

[west stream]

Personally I use gun if I want something specific dead

Or voidstrike

Right click assail is handy for enemies who are somewhat obscured but I feel theres better tools

[bleak tulip]

I mean ideally you can deal with anything at any range at least somewhat

[potent echo]

By taking assail you lock yourself out of the best talent

5% CDR

[bleak tulip]

or you're up shit creek when people aren't targeting shit your out of range of

[potent echo]

So BB is just tax to get that talent

And then you spam more creeping flames

[bleak tulip]

that's why I use smite instead

[onyx sentinel]

I feel like empathic evasion on crit trauma doesn't proc often enough to feel safe against shooters

makes it tempting to bring bubble shield but then creeping flames is too funny to not take

[potent echo]

Smite purg doesn't work

[bleak tulip]

smite is more useful too

well but that's a purg issue

[west stream]

Debating whether empathic is good enough on pistol to forgo ghost myself

[sturdy dagger]

[bright ether]

its so fucking ogre surge bros

[fresh reef]

New patch

[bright ether]

yes

Surge staff on-kill gore effects are no longer always triggered when killing an enemy - now also limbs and heads may be dismembered instead of the whole torso.

[fresh reef]

Surge targeting limbs was intended

[severe folio]

empathetic dodging melee would be nice

[fresh reef]

I'm going to kms

[bright ether]

its official

FATSHARK WHY DO YOU HATE US

[severe folio]

teach you to aim with surge

[bright ether]

so glad i worked on my trauma pops last night; hello my new love

[severe laurel]

Does surge at least target what limbs you're pointing at?

[sturdy dagger]

its rng my guy

[bright ether]

it seems all random

[sturdy dagger]

literal rng

[severe folio]

interesting

[bright ether]

lmao

[severe folio]

thats bad

[bright ether]

no shit

[half iron]

rng is a psyop. just aim

[sturdy dagger]

they just took a massive shit on the staff and launched it into live servers

[onyx sentinel]

feel like empathic wouldn't be consistent enough to not get surpressed during crucial moments no?

[willow hazel]

Too strong. With some guns it's up 100%

[onyx sentinel]

because staves can just lmb to counter surpress

[severe laurel]

Where's the patch notes?

[willow hazel]

Empathetic > Ghost

[bright ether]

this was under "Missed patch notes from Traitors Curse"

[bright ether]

check discussions on steam

https://store.steampowered.com/news/app/1361210/view/7054387370651412679?l=english

[severe laurel]

ooh they buffed the achlys

[silk hawk]

i am sorry

Surge staff on-kill gore effects are no longer always triggered when killing an enemy - now also limbs and heads may be dismembered instead of the whole torso.

is that means surge changes were intended?

[stable silo]

lol darktide facebook groups crack me up one guy was complaining that psykers are OP because if u run 4 psykers u can stack the crit aura to have 20%+crit chance for free

[onyx sentinel]

oh wow so surge staff targetting limbs isn't a bug?

[stable silo]

and no one corrected him...they just oh man no way

[bleak tulip]

they missed to mention the part where it also randomly hits limbs now, making its damage even shitter

[bright ether]

yes

they stealth nerfed surge staff and "forgot" to mention it

[fresh reef]

That's op, but not the same comp being able to stack 40% ability cooldown??

[severe laurel]

Tbh surge felt okay when it was +125%, maybe just give it 60% bonus damage from what it is now

[static needle]

goood roll

[bright ether]

ANY boost would be fine. I was running Warp Charges with my surge and was still pulling top charts

Now its wet noodle tickles

[lyric burrow]

I like surge but the limb thing hurts

[mortal breach]

I feel like maybe they meant to make it target limbs for the purpose of visuals regarding gore, but maybe not for damage?

[silk hawk]

they already gave it -50% ....

[bright ether]

the limb thing deceased it for me; trauma is new best friend now

[native plover]

Sooo, it was not unintented? Surge got massive nerf?

[severe laurel]

Yeah, put it back in the wardrobe

[bright ether]

it was intended

[west stream]

With laspistol, crit aura and scryer youre critting a bunch, plus guaranteed crits from true aim

[silk hawk]

trauma is only good mass CC staff aside of surge, but its knock effect is so shit...

[west stream]

So it could woerk

[willow hazel]

It's really hard to unintentionally implement random limb targeting

[bright ether]

Ehhhh i was knocking crushers, maulers, and rages on damnation last night

[west stream]

Gotta land em crits tho

[bright ether]

w/ trauma

[onyx sentinel]

gotcha I never run gunker

[native plover]

ffs fatshark

[west stream]

Curious about true aim and voidstrike tho

[bright ether]

They just forgor to mention it in the patchnotes 💀

[bleak tulip]

heard the idea that it was intended for smite but got applied to surge too again because they cant stop fucking up that interaction

[severe laurel]

Unintended consequences

[sturdy dagger]

intentional?

https://tenor.com/view/stickydacat-gif-26502121

[onyx sentinel]

it's the only CC staff, purg just kinda kills stuff

[west stream]

Gunker is so crit heavy it feels like it should work tho

[lyric burrow]

I dont want to run void over surge but im feeling like i should at this point

[half iron]

gunker mentioned

[west stream]

Will replace ghost and see eventually I guess

[bright ether]

surge staff is now only CC lol

[lyric burrow]

Esp cause killing crushers takes 20 minutes

[onyx sentinel]

true

[severe laurel]

They stopped it ripping apart bodies and let it gib specific limbs, but then nerfed the damage because they forgot limbs take less damage

[quartz tartan]

They took the best part of surge as sucked the soul out of it, the gore pops were the best thing ever

[silk hawk]

aha, 2-target cc

[sturdy dagger]

boycott it one fartshark deve will randomly look at the use rate and be like "uh oh" and buff it i swear

[idle bay]

So limbs hits on Surge is byproduct of COSMETIC change ? 🙂 Spaghetti coding..

[silk hawk]

amazing

[sturdy dagger]

[bright ether]

bingo

[native plover]

i really feel like @ a CM about this lol but i won't

[severe laurel]

Feels like it Wyck

[bright ether]

it had more CC prepatch i felt; now it's just ass

not worth it

[severe laurel]

They did cosmetic, had real game effects

[bleak tulip]

more likely than you'd wish

[turbid hemlock]

so did they fix surges damage ?

[bright ether]

no

[quartz tartan]

The change legit justified me jumping to a soul burn build

[native plover]

So yeah a cosmetic change resulted in a real, actual, nerf.

[silk hawk]

going to test if it still target limbs i nterm of dmg?

[sturdy dagger]

thats because the smite talent also affected it so it chained to like 4 targets

[uneven compass]

I like the idea of visually it targeting limbs but mechanically that's so terrible

[bleak tulip]

I mean go test it, who knows

[bright ether]

ahh now that makes sense

[unborn flicker]

Why hath fatshark forsaken us

[severe folio]

why is the new map has so much elite

[clear heath]

this isn't even the most unplayable state surge staff has been in.
Anyone remember when surge staff would actually just blind you irl?

[severe folio]

from the beginning

[bleak tulip]

just because its not in the patch notes doesnt mean its not real

[clear heath]

fatshark just hates surge

[mortal breach]

Next gonna learn that psy-veil is reducing your crit chance passively because you can't see the enemy

[unborn flicker]

They hate pyskers bro

[bright ether]

i member that json

[severe laurel]

The surge staff still has a weird audio bug as well

[silk hawk]

its not new map, its all damnation runs like that now

[onyx sentinel]

don't know anything about gunker, worth it?

[severe folio]

oh

[bright ether]

Director has been amped up on redbulls

[severe folio]

why is all damnation like that now

[bright ether]

for higher difficulties

[clear heath]

oh yeah i get that too

[idle bay]

On Frenzon and Slaught

[severe folio]

great

so much fun

[bleak tulip]

damnation, especially with modifiers and auric, ramp up faster now

[silk hawk]

what goob said, they buffed conflict director AI for damnation and maelstrom

[bleak tulip]

as in: instantly

[quartz tartan]

Yeah you really want some decent cc and damage for damnation now with how many enemies they throw at you

[grave zephyr]

Yes, that's the fact that made me quit for over an year.
The first one, think i'll just quit again after this huge nerf

[bright ether]

yeah more ragers and stuff have been spawning lately on higher difficulties during crunchdown scenarios and horde waves

[quartz tartan]

and the bombers

[bright ether]

hence me trying desperately to find a new big damage, cc staff to actually help

[uneven compass]

All the extra elites makes me miss surge staff EP bugged damage

[bright ether]

oh yes the duo trips bombers are fun

w/ toxxers

[sturdy dagger]

its so much fun for purge

[silk hawk]

NGL i like that change

[sturdy dagger]

perilous combustion just kills fucking everything

[bleak tulip]

would sure be nice if they fixed stuff like this in a hypothetical hotfix OH WAIT

[bright ether]

me too; especially with new trauma work i'm putting in 🙂

[dapper raft]

does smite just kind of suck?
im only lvl 8 but it takes like 3 seconds to start the stagger and i only ever get like 2 dudes with it.
ive seen dudes get literally everything in a direction with it. what are they doing

[uneven compass]

Same, best is probably trauma but it just ain't the same as surge was. Surge was such good CC plus range plus burst damage

[bright ether]

smite is not for damage

[bright ether]

exactly this

even w/o EP bug

[quartz tartan]

I have be eating up the kills with purge staff and soulblaze build, top it off with a brain burst for random insta kills its great so far

[merry night]

they didnt even fix the bug where the veteran talent makes you take more damage

[dapper raft]

never said as much

[bleak tulip]

time is a flat circle, this comment could be from 2022

[bright ether]

same build ripperino 😢

[bright ether]

it would explain why you've only gotten "two guys" tho

[sturdy dagger]

right click first my guy

[bright ether]

[uneven compass]

Purge is fun but when there's lots of gunners it feels really rough

[sturdy dagger]

i promise u smite does not suck lmao

[sturdy dagger]

BB

[uneven compass]

BB too slow when there's dozens

[sturdy dagger]

shriek BB

[unborn flicker]

What is the main difference between smite left click and right click?

[silk hawk]

that forces u to run assail with purge which is kinda stupid

[sturdy dagger]

kill 2 of them and perilous kills the rest

[half iron]

all blitzs are epic except for ass fail

[unborn flicker]

Just the amount it can chain to?

[silk hawk]

bcuz bb is too slow

[bleak tulip]

ass ail

[quartz tartan]

Smite is great if you are running enhanced psionics for the extra damage

[sturdy dagger]

what

[unborn flicker]

You do not use smite for damage of any kind

[sturdy dagger]

smite is great if ur using warp siphon so u can keep it up for longer

[unborn flicker]

You use it to cc pox burstErs

[sturdy dagger]

its not a dmg tool

especially not now

its also bugged

like that makes a difference for it though

[uneven compass]

Tbh ya I might just start running assail again solely to deal with all the gunners when running purg

[night crater]

How?

[quartz tartan]

Also is assail just not working with enhances psionics? It says it's not supposed to use the charge on use but always does?

[sturdy dagger]

psykinetic aura...

[half iron]

do not run assail. gunners are psyops that make you think you want to run assail

[bleak tulip]

its been "nerfed" twice now so people likely arent so pissy about it anymore

[sturdy dagger]

surge and smite are randomly dealing dmg to limbs now, limbs take 50% reduced range dmg

[unborn flicker]

Oh, they’re definitely still pissy

[bleak tulip]

even though it hasnt really substantially changed anything for the better

[quartz tartan]

Tbf assail was kinda busted on release

[bleak tulip]

still is

they didnt really nerf it

[unborn flicker]

If they really wanted to do something about it, they should’ve just increase the amount of peril generated

[sturdy dagger]

[unborn flicker]

But left it at the same power level

[uneven compass]

Lol people as in our non siblings?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[night crater]

They did

[bleak tulip]

especially vets who are giga malding about their talent tree still

[unborn flicker]

Not enough

[quartz tartan]

The vet keystones are alright, they don't really stack up well when compared to the other classes

[uneven compass]

True true pre patch everytime I ran Assail I could feel the annoyance of the team even on auric damnation. I always loved having a sibling use assail

[wind halo]

Hmm somehow I have two Purgatus Psykers and my team is still struggling with hordes, some of these folks dont belong in Damnation

[azure bridge]

wait, i'm a little lost, do those patch notes imply that the surge staff changes, the one where limbs are possible targets, is intended?

[sturdy dagger]

[idle bay]

When game sends you the signs to try out shovel

[unborn flicker]

All I can say, is without smite, any, Auric I do would be an absolute shit fest, and I would probably die in the first five minutes

[quartz tartan]

Mate shovel is based as heck on vet fr

[uneven compass]

Lol wtf that's like bringing a flamethrower to a forest and struggling to burn trees. How're they so bad 🤣

[unborn flicker]

Especially on the new map, that arena at the end, I would be overrun immediately without it

[bleak tulip]

time to play a new staff then 😎

[wind halo]

I swear the dude is like alt firing into an empty wall or some shit

[sturdy dagger]

that end arena is actually way easier than i first thought if u just go back 2 the area u came in from

[idle bay]

And i'm grabbong both of those from Melk RN 🙂

[sturdy dagger]

they all just funnel into u

[unborn flicker]

I’ll try to remember that next time

[vagrant frigate]

this guy just typed up a storm about me xd

[quartz tartan]

Just remember to use your heavy attacks with it for better cc

[sturdy dagger]

fair warning though the game will just spawn random specials behind u

like random dog just appears

[silk hawk]

did anyone asked CMs is that change to surge is actually intended?

[sturdy dagger]

but its worth it

[bleak tulip]

yeah the funny funnel is kind of the meta, you even got partial cover from the place directly in front because of crates and shit

[wind halo]

and the horde will prevent the gunners from just shooting willy nilly into you

[merry night]

If you stand far enough back you can see the specials spawns in front of you

[quartz tartan]

Screw that I have had specials spawn on top of me before

[bleak tulip]

can you close the gates as soon as you press the button to or do you have to wait for phase 2?

because theyre open at the point

[quartz tartan]

Suddenly in the middle of a crusher dog pile on my zealot

[merry night]

Right as you press the upstairs button you can click it, but they do re open again after some time

[bleak tulip]

in which case, one person button, two people gates and then back to the funnel is da strat

aw

[sturdy dagger]

eh?

[vagrant frigate]

yeah theyre like racist roleplayers lol

[sturdy dagger]

ive done it 3 times now on damnation ive never seen a crusher in that final arena

or any ogryn actually...

[bright ether]

maybe they are hiding in the walls

[unborn flicker]

Hide and smash

[sudden trellis]

god, I wish the flamer staff didn't blind me completely when i use it.

[unborn flicker]

Some of them are ninjas I swear, bro they sneak up behind you and you’ll get no noises

[bright ether]

one of the hab maps has an area where the npcs can hide in the walls and take potshots at you

[vagrant frigate]

theres a mod for that

[bright ether]

i forget where

[potent echo]

Custom flames

[uneven compass]

Fr how're those big ogryn so quiet? I swear they're on their tippy toes sneaking up behind giggling because they know they're about to crush you

[night crater]

You say that, but going up to 50% peril just to kill a gunner is stupid.

[silk hawk]

ye surge is still targeting limbs... time to throw it into the abyss

[sudden trellis]

what's your go-to anti-horde tool, psybros?

[sturdy dagger]

purge

[sudden trellis]

I'm trading out my flamepisser.

[sturdy dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/purge-button-press-fast-gif-17107922

[unborn flicker]

Not if it one tapped the gunner

[sturdy dagger]

L

[silk hawk]

purge, ds2 and ass sale

[night crater]

It doesn't

[unborn flicker]

Or had the possibility to OneTap multiple gunners as it chained between them

[sturdy dagger]

purge by far best horde clear option

[night crater]

If it had that, that would be cool

[frigid briar]

so I just learned that surge staff randomly does no damage

[sturdy dagger]

trauma for packs of tankier shit but honestly unless its a crusher purge does it fine and even then u can kill crushers with purge with some uncanny tech

[frigid briar]

that explains a lot...

[sturdy dagger]

even wackier

it randomly targets limbs

limbs take 50% reduced ranged dmg

its intended apparently

[frigid briar]

time to get the voidstrike out until its fixed, I guess

[unborn flicker]

I want a multi staff, one staff that lets you switch between peril attacks

[sturdy dagger]

or

they stop being lazy

and give th staffs uniuque left clicks

[silk hawk]

to be precise it has 75% chance to deal 50% less dmg...and with last hotfix seems like its not a bug but an intended change

[sturdy dagger]

like vermintide

[frigid briar]

honestly, I'd be fine if we could actually aim the bloody thing

it already felt like gamba whether it hits what you want or not, and now its also gamba whether it does full damage? nah bruh

[obtuse moth]

surge highlights your target with electricity the way assail and brainburst hilight heads and zealot charge hilights bodies enemies yellow

[unborn flicker]

I wonder what sort of unique left click attacks could be made though

[near wyvern]

Hotfix

Veterans get: buffs
Psykers get: nothing xD

[kind jay]

back to beta status boys!

[unborn flicker]

both to the imperium and to fat shark, we are second class

[signal jay]

so the 4/7 chance to do 50% damage on the Surge staff is a feature, not a bug?

[tropic wind]

Anyone want to help me get the Malleus Monstronum Penance?

[silk hawk]

kek patch notes topic is full of mad surge psykers XDD

[hot zephyr]

You might say there's been a surge of complaints?

[silk hawk]

aha :))

[vernal rock]

I can't believe they ruined surge staff

My beloved wouldn't have done this

[primal aurora]

I would be ok with Surge staff fix if they also fixed Ironhelm

[muted shard]

I see you guys saying trauma has best CC but I find that purge keeps trash panicked and can stagger most special enemies with the quick puffs for very little peril gen. Does trauma really out value the control of purge?

[vernal rock]

Make everything viable not just a few things

[static needle]

What is dump stat on purge staff and what's the lowest that stat should be

[vernal rock]

I can no longer be palpatine and my beloved is upset at this

[indigo thunder]

What's going on with Surge staff? I did new mission last night and the damage was lower than usual

[vernal rock]

They fixed a bug that made it use empowered psionics

[unborn flicker]

It targets limbs now

[silk hawk]

trauma kneel everything to the ground including crushers, maulers and ragers

[vernal rock]

Cause they probably copy pasted the code for old surge staff (now smite) and new surge staff and didn't notice

[silk hawk]

and affecting big area

[indigo thunder]

Why does it matter for a motherfucking lighhtning?

[static needle]

What is the dump stat on Purge staff and what's the lowest that stat should be?

[unborn flicker]

Doesn’t matter, lowers damage

[vernal rock]

Less dambage

[muted shard]

I think cloud radius. It is already pretty big at low %.

[silk hawk]

bcuz when u hit limbs u deal 50% less dmg, and guess what there is 4 limbs 1 torso and 1 head, calculate the odds

[indigo thunder]

That's an SMH moment. If you touch a high-voltage wire with a finger, it will fry your entire body regardless

[static needle]

Lmao that and burn are the most important stats

[vernal rock]

This is a video game stfu

[indigo thunder]

No u

[silk hawk]

ye.... that how it was BEFORE last patch -_-

[vernal rock]

Ur mom gay

[sacred star]

What does the Deimos force sword secondary do? is it just a block?

[stable silo]

headpop on stab

[indigo thunder]

At least I had one to teach me manners

[vernal rock]

It's stinky run Illisi

[muted shard]

Bah, I have no problem spreading the love with smaller cloud rad.

[static needle]

Yes but if u hold push while blocking you will do extra powerful push with better range

[stable silo]

i dunno man iv been an illis over since it came out but since trying smite that demios just shreds elites with still decent horde cleaer

illis kinda feels likea toopick now after trying deimos for a bity

[static needle]

The problem isn't the spread, it's the range (reach) of the flame

[severe folio]

deimos does have some horde clearing capability

illisi justr make it easier

[static needle]

Also if you run deflector blessing it blocks ranged attacks

[stable silo]

im running mine with slaught/unstable and it just shreds

i used to like deflector but i just got tired of it, very niche and not neede with better movement

[static needle]

Can u slide while blocking?

If so then movement isn't an issue

[stable silo]

no i mean if ur moving properly u dont really use it

[static needle]

Ah

But still can u do that??

[stable silo]

id rather have the 20% dmg boost after spamming smite to 99 then stab the elite in the face causing a fire explosion and burning everything around it

i dunno i never really tried to do that tbh

if im sprinting and sliding i usually just dont get hit by ranged

[severe laurel]

Do you think thats why smite has very low damage as well?

Like, it targets limbs and such

[stable silo]

ya smite is bugged to people were saying

0-100% peril doesnt even kill a basic enemy so its super low dmg

but you can get like 30k staggered enemies in a auric dam run which is bonkers

[ornate hamlet]

And surge as well it seems

[summer prairie]

literally only two files changed, one of them veteran_buff_templates_new

so nothing else to see

[ornate hamlet]

Then how come you can hit limbs and weakspots with surge staff now?

[summer prairie]

that was in the previous patch

[ornate hamlet]

Certainly didn't notice it until now. Hmm.

[plucky flax]

I prefer illisi.

[bright ether]

i prefer illisi's wide sweep

deimos feels more constricted

[stable silo]

yeah illis is def easier to use

[bright ether]

it depends on what style you're aiming for tbh

[stable silo]

dont get me wrong i love the illis but easier horde clear isnt the problem IMO its the elites mixed in and illis suffers vs those elites esp armored elites even with the special swipe

[bright ether]

trauma staff go burr

[stable silo]

exactly trauma bis

[fading iris]

Well... at least now we know that was intended and the error was forgetting to put on the patch notes

[winged phoenix]

You certainly can mince through hordes with just the Deimos and slaughterer with lights, weaving in the H2's to handle the elites.

Deimos gang rise up

[bright ether]

deimos isn't bad lol

[stable silo]

illis > horde clearn Deimos > elite kill its the trade off

but deimos is better at horde clear than illis is at elite kill

[plucky flax]

Depend on what kind of elites? Not as good against ogryns but illisi can handle ragers and maulers fine.

[winged phoenix]

Yeah certainly.

In a feelycraft way ive found myself not needing to swap to other force swords since weaving in slide dodges into the mix.

[silk hawk]

lets push FS to increase surge targets to 3 and get rid of dmg fall off with each target. If they do so i can agree that shitty body part dmg prioritization change....

xD

[supple skiff]

surge limb damage nerf was intended then eh

I think they did that just to punish those that were using the bugged surge

[silk hawk]

we still need confirmation, last hot fix saying it supposed to be a cosmetic change... but seems like it affects non cosmetic aspect of the staff

[silk hawk]

i run bugged surge for like 3 missions, then i swapped back to my warp siphon, why i should suffer then?

some people never used the bug at all

[fading iris]

the second part of the message isn't cosmetic was a bad way to say tho because of the first part

[supple skiff]

not saying I agree with it

[silk hawk]

why they should suffer too?

[supple skiff]

fixing the bug ought to have been enough balance wise

[winged phoenix]

Truly embracing "Grim dark fantasy"? xD

[silk hawk]

surge is dead until next patch, gg wp, lets go trauma

[willow hazel]

Guessing it was meant to be cosmetic and whoever worked on it just didn't know most limbs take reduced damage.

[potent echo]

i still need contracts for zealot and ogin

probably by then they will have psyker hotfix, unless

[supple skiff]

not sure how they would create a system where limbs get dismembered without them getting hit

[fading iris]

I wonder if the plan will be to buff the damage since now has random chance on where it will hit

[glossy ember]

"punishing" the rest of the users who weren't using that is bull

[supple skiff]

could just remove the limb damage reduction from surge

[potent echo]

plasma is coded to ignore limb multipliers

so just do the same for surge

done

[willow hazel]

The limb damage reduction only applies to range weapons. They could swap the Surge to count as melee damage, but then it will 1 shot mutants

[supple skiff]

Oh I agree with you. Im not suggesting folks that used suge should be punished, just guessing at fatsharks intentions here

[potent echo]

this sounds like it will add all sorts of bugs

[silk hawk]

and lose all benefits from warp and range modifiers

like stop iit

[glossy ember]

my guess is that it's another case of spaghetti code

[willow hazel]

Warp Damage can be melee damage

[winged phoenix]

Im envisioning another Crucian roulette moment

[potent echo]

probably add more code, thats how you solve tech debt right?

[willow hazel]

but it would lose that one 5% damage node

[fading iris]

The idea is good and cool, the implementation was flawed

[potent echo]

dont forget ranged crit chance perk

[supple skiff]

reintroduce EP bug

keep limg damage reduction

have surge use EP charges

[willow hazel]

Like on the staff? I thought it was just a tooltip thing and it applied to melee and range

[glossy ember]

bruh i dont wanna be stuck using a shitty keystone to play my weapon

[supple skiff]

spaghetti code solution

[obtuse moth]

been really liking blazing trauma on the new map

[supple skiff]

Which blitz do you use?

[glossy ember]

smite

[supple skiff]

fair

[fading iris]

Code is always spaghetti, what makes the difference of a good or bad spaghetti code, is the sauce

[glossy ember]

i use scriers, i need warp charges bro

[supple skiff]

Ive tried EP with all of them but only BB seems to benefit enough to take EP over the other ones

[fading iris]

Siphon gang

[orchid shadow]

Might as well lean into the limb targeting then. If it ever hits a limb, it should add an extra jump on top of that.

[willow hazel]

EP bug + limb targetting is probably still worse than an unbugged surge

[obtuse moth]

ep doubles the amount of targets your assail shards hit from 3 to six, you also get infinite shards if you're chewing through elites with that talent

[supple skiff]

didnt realize it increased the pen

[winged phoenix]

Would be great if they put that sort of info on the tooltips :/

[rare storm]

Rip siblings

[sturdy dagger]

you

what is with this mod

its the first mod ive tried 2 install that isnt in a zip file

[rare storm]

No more crutch abusing

[sturdy dagger]

tf do i do with it

[fading iris]

Wdym the mod isn't called "I only go blind for the God Emperor's flames!"?!

[sturdy dagger]

apparently i have 2 install a whole other app just to unzip this one file

mod author is a dumbass ig

[tribal spade]

is it worth doing anything with this ?

[fading iris]

I got stuck in the loading for the morningstar... the chat being functional caught me offguard lol

[summer prairie]

assail generates peril too slowly now for creeping flame gun builds, pretty much have to bring a forcesword if you want to be efficient. Or maybe laspistol

[fading iris]

An helmet for Surge staff users caution, they can make the surge smite hit you

[obtuse moth]

yeah ive been using laspistol for it but its annoying af. do you find the obscurus and deimos actually sufficient?

[slow raven]

why is hunting grounds so common, and monstrous specialists/mostly melee so rare

[obtuse moth]

maelstrom only modifier

[slow raven]

yeah but even in the maelstrom missions

[obtuse moth]

hunting grounds can spawn in any auric slot

[slow raven]

it's been hunting grounds every single mission for the last few hours

except just now was finally a monstrous specialists

that ended and it's back to, you guessed it, hunting grounds

[obtuse moth]

if you're playing premade fwiw you can just load mission ids in the past day with monstrous specialists

[slow raven]

fml

sadly i mainly play solo or duo

[obtuse moth]

that works perfectly

thats still premade and not pug

[spice oar]

THE SURGE LIMB DMG IS INTENTIONAL???

[obtuse moth]

use the manymoretry mod to save and load mission ids, and darkti.de also has a list of the ones in the past 24hrs if you don't save them

i just usually spam the /lm command to replay the last mission

[slow raven]

theres no matchmaking if you do that is there?

[obtuse moth]

uh technically you can enable it

but people would have to quickplay into it

[bright ether]

just killed a chaos monstrosity with a door

[obtuse moth]

and its bad etiquette to open it to pugs who might not be expecting it

[slow raven]

huh

i havent yet queued into a mission that way

it's always been the listed one

[obtuse moth]

i used to leave hishocks open like that when there was no auric board

[potent echo]

PATCH

WHAT PATCH

[obtuse moth]

but i havent really done it since theres better availability of hard missions, as much as i like to spam monstrous specialists

[potent echo]

PATCH DID NOTHING

[obtuse moth]

people would join maps, but itd be the same low chance like if you queued into a mission that was expiring and people d/ced etc

[slow raven]

usually it's less of a problem, but today ive been checking every hour and it's literally been "waves of specialists. hunting grounds" for the last like 6 hours

except for the one monstrous specialists we just had

[obtuse moth]

sometimes i'd complete the entire mission with no one joining

[atomic zephyr]

Swap out precog to uncanny and stam to manic dmg

[obtuse moth]

https://darkti.de/mission-board/history

[sturdy dagger]

i think it buffed achyls and confirmed surge change was intentional and they hate us

[obtuse moth]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/175?tab=description&BH=0

have fun

[fading iris]

Is a patch for the patch notes

[obtuse moth]

you can filter

[potent echo]

i saw darktide updating

[fading iris]

Cash shop update day

[slow raven]

huh that's interesting, never seen this site before

[potent echo]

achyls buff was in the initial patch

[broken pollen]

Helly’s build made psyker fun for me again post surge meganerf

[obtuse moth]

looks like the II is the code for monstrous specialists, going through the circumstances i had cached https://darktide.gameslantern.com/circumstances/maelstrom-mission-a-i-ii from this site's mission board

[obtuse moth]

yep, just load the code in to the mod and play whatever recent mission you'd like

[broken pollen]

I’d figure it’d be cut content or stuff they won’t add in for a while considering the sheer amount of animation work needed to make transformation sequences

[obtuse moth]

uh what?

this is all stuff in game im talking about. besides just loading the mission with a mod

[sturdy dagger]

just burn everything

[fading iris]

[obtuse moth]

monstrous specialists is a real modifier you can play on auric maelstroms rn

[broken pollen]

Wait so specs can turn into monstrosities in that mission?

[obtuse moth]

yes

[broken pollen]

Like they have a full animation and everything too???

[azure bridge]

do players have a base crit chance like in vermintide?

[obtuse moth]

but weaker, it also seems to spawn more monstrosities than normal

they don't transform, whenever a specialist has a chance to spawn it has a chance to be a low health monstrosity instead

[broken pollen]

Oh

That’s

[obtuse moth]

its not out of the ordinary to see 3-4 monsters all at once

[broken pollen]

Less impressive ig

[lyric burrow]

They are very weak tho

[obtuse moth]

its a very impressive modifier still

[lyric burrow]

Its fun and can be brutal fs

[slow raven]

it's fun because it's one of the only times where it pays to spec for boss damage

[broken pollen]

Right but from a game dev standpoint that’s just flipping a few spawnrate switches

[slow raven]

so stuff like thammer becomes way more relevant

[novel stratus]

so what does that patch note mean for the surge staff

[obtuse moth]

yeah, i can tell people who dont tell you to spec for unyielding on certain weapons don't play it often

[broken pollen]

I just misunderstood bc of the phrasing

[spice oar]

their heads pop off and into the sky like champaign

[broken pollen]

For patch 15?

[bright ether]

it means that surge staff will distribute to limbs and head instead of always hitting chest and having steady damage

[broken pollen]

It means surge staff has 1-2 more breakpoints for every elite u use it against if they didn’t introduce another bug that made it target limbs

Wait which patchnote are we talking about

[azure bridge]

newest ones

[bright ether]

it's pretty much canned right now

[broken pollen]

The patch 15 patchnote or some hotfix

[azure bridge]

hotfix

[obtuse moth]

people said its like an effective 75% chance to do 50% damage

[lyric burrow]

Yeah it needed help vs void and simply did not get it

[novel stratus]

[fading iris]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotfix-1-2-11/87179 not a bug, just weird decision maybe before testing it out

[broken pollen]

Christ so they literally codified the limb targeting into the weapon as intended behavior???

[bright ether]

I'd recommend just going trauma if you want the CC w/ damage back

[novel stratus]

voidstrike is still insane lmao

[broken pollen]

That is

[obtuse moth]

void still needs to be tuned down imo

[broken pollen]

So fucking scuffed

[obtuse moth]

not that surge couldnt be buffed

[fading iris]

like I said before, is a cool and good idea... but was implemented in such a bad way

[bright ether]

void is just good for pen and explosion right?

[broken pollen]

U know it won’t just be tuned down right? The writing on the wall is even more apparent now. All that’s left is to nerf voidstrike and kick purgatus in the nuts again and all staves will be at most glorified CC sticks.

[stone narwhal]

So we just got a (roughly) 50% damage nerf on what was already a mediocre weapon (not counting the EP bug)?

[lyric burrow]

@olive ember i am im agreement with you about surge now although i will continue using it

[novel stratus]

is the purgatus even an option on damnation? does it do okay

[bright ether]

[lyric burrow]

Good for everything really

[broken pollen]

I thought i was just dooming but it’s actually happening

[lyric burrow]

Other than bosses

[broken pollen]

Limb targeting is intended behavior

This is so fucked

[obtuse moth]

blazing trauma is giving me top leaderboard on the new map fwiw

[slow raven]

why is it being assumed that the surge random damage is intended

[bright ether]

it was over before it even began surgebros

[prime elk]

Laughed when I saw the notes

[slow raven]

the patch notes just mention the kill animation

[bright ether]

and the limb targetting

[slow raven]

it's more likely that the random targeting of limbs is a bug that was caused by the new kill animation

like it's probably meant to be aesthetic only and not actually affect your dps

[bright ether]

Surge staff on-kill gore effects are no longer always triggered when killing an enemy - now also limbs and heads may be dismembered instead of the whole torso

it's literally in the notes lol

[olive ember]

I mean uh

[slow raven]

yeah to me that's just talking about the animation