psyker-class

[azure bridge]

Also if you're feeling generous can I see your build?

[glossy ember]

but i think imma just hold off playing psyker until they fix surge

[plucky flax]

Play zealot didn't get touched and is still op af.

[limber tartan]

The only boss that can really keep up with your movement speed is the chaos spawn (not counting demon host) but even him you can kite easily if you keep your dashes for his charge attacks and dodge grabs

[sturdy dagger]

See you late December

[glossy ember]

enough time for my wrist to heal i guess

[limber tartan]

first one is my previous build i've been running for some time now with few tweeks and the 2nd one is what im trying out now because smite has its downsides

@azure bridge

[fading iris]

oh please

[azure bridge]

Tyvm

[fading iris]

and I keep forgetting what the right keystone on psyker does

okay, the mark thing

[meager kettle]

Kill highlighted foe for buffs

[limber tartan]

@azure bridge also in both builds i run these

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I was recovering from COVID when the class overhaul hit and I didn't have the mental energy to relearn everything at the time, but I'm slowly poking at things again.

[bronze hound]

I tried the psyker after the patch and it is me or the nerfs are way more huge than expected?

[tranquil plume]

with the slow to charge dmg and barely team synergy than CD and wall what does the psyker bring to the team

is bad

i dont feel like i can kill things fast enough before they just walk up and down me like its nothing

[fading iris]

The only viable option for curios are 3 of these

[tranquil plume]

i think i will just forgo psykers this patch

[bronze hound]

It's exactly like that

[strong gulch]

Oh feck. Hope you're on the mend. Sorry buddy.

[limber tartan]

I did actually run 9 stamina on curious because it was funny for a while but its just not worth it

[tranquil plume]

i dont understand when psykers is paper why they want to remove the infinite dodge from force swords

[azure bridge]

Tyvm

[limber tartan]

The additional stamina is pretty much only actually used when you're blocking for a demon host or want to be the first to the fight when the game starts

[spice veldt]

because it makes no sense to have infinite dodges

[fading iris]

[limber tartan]

Never have i ever actually used all 13 stamina in any other scenario

[spice veldt]

and when the optimal gameplay is to completely remove all brain and thought from dodging

like dodging is already brainless

and kinetic deflection is a free pick to cover your dodge recovery

[tranquil plume]

staff dmg is slow because u have to charge and has a dmg ceiling where on higher difficulty it takes a millenium before anything u are hitting dies

[fading iris]

Just machine gun LMB

[spice veldt]

surge is underpowered currently, and our staffs are group-clearing-adjacent

if you don't like hordeclear staffs, that's fine

[azure bridge]

Surge is criminally underpowered

[spice veldt]

I have a gripe with the current state of psyker's force staffs as well

[tranquil plume]

yeah i seen the point for purge others i dont see the point of bringing any other staff

[spice veldt]

trauma is also hordeclear and stagger

[azure bridge]

What is void atm?

[spice veldt]

group of melee elites are essentially neutralized

i can't speak about void but it only received a minor nerf so all opinions from before will probably stick

[tranquil plume]

slow , dmg ceiling means u take too long to kill something dangerous that is coming

[hidden crystal]

Yeah, I'm fine. I mostly just felt tired for a couple of weeks, but it just wasn't the right time for me to have to have to learn it all again.

[azure bridge]

I had wondered if it got nerfed it won't head shot the full plate dudes with chainsaw axes anymore with its charged shot

[quasi junco]

I like trauma just for the stagger

[strong gulch]

Valid.

[meager kettle]

I'm in love with trauma now

[tranquil plume]

u can still headshots but u prolly need 2 or more shots

[fading iris]

we are waiting on Fat Shark to say if is a bug, stealth change or something for later that ended up in the live version before it's time

[tranquil plume]

the dmg ceiling is so low u might as well bring a gun

[azure bridge]

I was thinking this myself and is why I'm looking into Las pistol

[tranquil plume]

i think they also touched force swords as well

[fading iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyH57LLAiks

[spice veldt]

charging feels bad but you don't really need reactivity in this game

[fading iris]

I like RAB, but his thumbnail pictures are...

[tranquil plume]

before i can sweep horde now i get smacked by hordes

[distant roost]

this man is not to be trusted

the YouTuber that is

[azure bridge]

?

[fading iris]

Why?

[spice veldt]

but that's why I just run assail all the time

[distant roost]

Some of his advice is just uh not good

Like his Paladin Tank Zealot

No bueno

[spice veldt]

I don't bother with using staffs most of the time

[fading iris]

ah, every builder has some weird advices, that's why you do your due diligence and search for multiple resources

[limber tartan]

Pretty sure its just preference

[distant roost]

Yea it’s just bad for people who are more casual who get shoved into meh builds

[meager kettle]

I can't bring myself to use anything but staffs

[hidden crystal]

Looks like I might have to work my way back up to Damnation again (failed that quite early, and I wasn't sure it wasn't my fault), but my first attempt at a high Heresy saw me complete the "carrying the entire fragging team" penance, so I hopefully haven't got too much catching up to do.

[sturdy dagger]

Use purge

[fading iris]

I mean... I was using one his builds and was the type of build that is always linked I do run different stuff in areas because of my playstyle tho

[harsh urchin]

psyker overall lost about 8-10% damage depending on how well you play

from the warp unleashed changes

since now you start from 0% rather than 10%

[spice veldt]

I run trauma but its a mix of it being the only mechanically enjoyable staff to me and for melee elite patrols

[harsh urchin]

i'

i'm gonna be real honest

if you're not a gun, voidstrike or trauma enjoyer

[limber tartan]

None of the staffs are currently great at dealing with high priority targets like crushers they usually excell in horde clear or crowd control, surge staff was the only thing that could really kill those big targets but it was a bug, soo what was the actual design purpose of surge

[harsh urchin]

you're gonna feel pretty weak this patch

[sturdy dagger]

Purge

[harsh urchin]

uhhhh what

voidstrike

[sturdy dagger]

My everything stick

[harsh urchin]

completely shits on everything lol

[sturdy dagger]

Purge

[harsh urchin]

demolishes crushers

[sturdy dagger]

I love swinging purge through a horde and watching 20 ragers fall over

[limber tartan]

Soo why is that since the last patch people are acting like the world is falling apart

since clearly you guys say that those 2 stafs kick ass

[spice veldt]

new patches usually bring these sorts of people every time

[sturdy dagger]

We keep getting nerfed

[hot zephyr]

Looks at all the builds he just setup.... void, three different gun builds... smiles

[sturdy dagger]

Twice this patch

[fading iris]

Chaos

[harsh urchin]

cuz 2 builds got pretty significantly weaker lol, so ppl are mad

it's fine

[distant roost]

Yea I’ve used stuff from him before, but his usage of a Crucis on his Paladin build is just no

[harsh urchin]

but people are gonna get mad

ofc

[limber tartan]

Yea i don't mind that, it was pretty easy to get shit done, now it feels like the game requires me to be more knowledgable to do something

Which i like

[harsh urchin]

yeah I mean it's fine lol; this is part of a video games buff/nerf cycle

but for people who enjoy surge or assail playstyle

seeing their builds get gutted significantly, I can understand why they're upset

[limber tartan]

What happened to assail

[plucky flax]

My handcannon assail nooooooo

[harsh urchin]

ultimately it is what it is ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[spice veldt]

assail is fine

[sturdy dagger]

Kinda mid

[idle aurora]

it's finally balanced

[spice veldt]

you just have to use your other weapons more

[strong gulch]

You got this. 👍

Also, with new map, that might bring in newer players. Newer players can make things harder.

[harsh urchin]

hand cannon bug got fixed and cooldown got increased

[limber tartan]

I tried assail just today and im having a great time

[spice veldt]

because it still regenerates in the background

[limber tartan]

I picked it up to do one specific thing

It does that thing efficiently, = i am satisfied with it

[hidden crystal]

Ugh, I did wonder if that's what the wording change meant. I'll have to check what breakpoints that messes with for my psychic attacks, otherwise that perk point might be getting reassigned.

[spice veldt]

if you have at least a single braincell to swap to other weapons, then it'll be perfectly fine

[bright ether]

really not understanding why people are saying it was bugged when i was yielding the same results from running warp battery no empowered psionics

[forest junco]

hello again siblings, i'm here to ask if this is a good roll

[harsh urchin]

i mean yeah sure it's fine

[limber tartan]

I asume that people which are mad about nerfs are the same people that want one weapon to be good at everything and play the game for them

[meager kettle]

Not a fan of executor

[limber tartan]

Like psyker practically has 3 weapons

Fucking swap

[harsh urchin]

but the handcannon bug being fixed and the cooldown getting bumped up 50% no doubt does make it weaker

that's just fact

even if you can get around it

[strong gulch]

Some of us are orange cats and don't get to have The Brain Cell™️. 🥲

[spice veldt]

I never used it with hand cannon and I'm getting similar numbers to before the patch

yes it's weaker

[hidden crystal]

Executor isn't good on Illisi (you can't chain weakspot hits), but if you're okay with T2 Unstable Power and one of the Blessings (+Elites isn't terrible) then it's reasonable.

[spice veldt]

I'm not contesting that it got nerfed

[fading iris]

I'm having zero problems with assail after patch

[spice veldt]

I only said that it's still good in terms of performance

[plucky flax]

I only used it with handcannon and I never swapped to melee or range weapon. It's unplayable now.

[spice veldt]

like just fucking swap to your other weapons

[harsh urchin]

i think the WU nerfs are pretty massive though

[spice veldt]

because one of assail's advantage is that the time cost is passive

it regenerates in the background

[fading iris]

not even a joke, I really not having any problems, I use assail slowly, so the 1s after a while isn't a problem anymore

[idle aurora]

same people that review bombed the game after power sword was rightfully nerfed

[opal pebble]

What’s better for keeping multiple elites/specials off balance trauma or surge?

[spice veldt]

and takes 0.2s to throw the first shard and 0.33s for the second

[harsh urchin]

it's a 5-10% damage nerf overall depending on how you play with peril

[limber tartan]

Oh yea i remember that

[forest junco]

any blessings to look out for to feed to hadron for it as a replacement? am new and ignorant, i just know that 380 is the golden weapon number

[sturdy dagger]

I go into the training range throw 6 shards at a rager and its somehow not dead, I no longer use assail

[limber tartan]

powersword basically having unlimited cleave

[sturdy dagger]

Trauma>>>>

Dont use surge this patch

[opal pebble]

Does trauma kill monsters and crushers quicker?

Even slightly

[limber tartan]

I need to check at what peril you achieve the max +20% bonus damage from warp rider

[harsh urchin]

100%

[spice veldt]

trauma doesn't do that much single target damage

[harsh urchin]

it's 0-100% = 0-20% now, instead of 0-100% = 10-20%

[strong gulch]

Even outside of the unbugged surge nerf, trauma is better for that because surge on CC 2 targets.

[sturdy dagger]

Staff boss dmg kinda sucks, best option for that is purge and that's only if it lasts a while

[opal pebble]

Aight, what’re it’s best blessings/perks.

[tranquil plume]

not kinda sucks , even on malice difficulty it barely made a dent

[opal pebble]

Does it stun elites?

Purg

[glossy ember]

there's something really fun about pulling out a sword on a monstrosity tho

[sturdy dagger]

Kinda? It makes ragers stagger backwards sometimes but it's more of a widespread dmg tool trauma is better for cc and arguably dmg

[glossy ember]

like imagine vets backing up to shoot their guns and you're like "hold on i got this boys"

and just og in

[opal pebble]

I feel like I’m cheating on a wife thinking of swapping from surge to trauma

[sturdy dagger]

I did specify if it lasts long, the tick dmg adds up to decent amount over long boss kill

[strong gulch]

LMB stuns mosts things. Not crushers tho.

edit: talking about purg

[opal pebble]

So trauma is best for elite cc of all staffs? That’s what I’ve been using surge for mostly

[hidden crystal]

Slaughterer isn't as ridiculous as it was, but still looks to be solid; Unstable Power is fairly popular; I like Deflector (even more now it seems like you're not slowed as much by blocking), some like Shred if they're going for a Crit build, Uncanny Strike can be good against armour (it just needs weakspot hits, not chained weakspot hits), Bloodthirsty has its uses.

I'm still getting used to all the changes, but as a general thing I avoid Blessings that have a "repeatedly do something difficult without messing up".

[fading iris]

i went to check, 6 assails not buffed, 5 assails buffed big gains, but rager I normally spam surge lmb, faster damage and stagger/delay the dude into his Khorne crusade

[tranquil plume]

ngl the longer the boss fight is the more it shows how problematic the team dmg is just sayin, i've had teams where the boss gets wrangled not even dealing health dmg

1 sided beat down

[lunar hollow]

is the shotgunner 1 tap bp still possible

[analog agate]

Trauma is king of cc

[sturdy dagger]

Problematic isnt the right word just some people dont bring something in there loadout for bosses but more catered for horde clear etc.

[forest junco]

big mcthankies 😊 i'll keep an eye out for deflector

[strong gulch]

That is true sometimes, but then other times everyone is bringing boss / monster damage and struggle with regular stuff.

[opal pebble]

Ach I’ve been so misguided, I keep thinking back to when it’d stun like f0 dudes

[sturdy dagger]

I mean....

Smite....

[analog agate]

He is talking about staves. Also, I’m not glued to a spot with trauma like I am smite

[tranquil plume]

dont remind me i've seen ogryns and vets getting down by infected hordes makes me wanna just leave the mission

[sturdy dagger]

Just carry them

[opal pebble]

I ‘d prefer assail for chaff then my Deimos in tight counters or on recharge

[sturdy dagger]

?

Trauma is also horde clear though

Or is that not what u mean by chaff

[opal pebble]

I’d rather delete a horde than slow it

[spice veldt]

trauma's stagger works against it except against bruiser patrols

[sturdy dagger]

Purge

[hidden crystal]

People are split by Deflector. Some consider it useless because "you can just dodge" (mind you, less of an argument now infinite dodges isn't a thing any more), but I'm in the category where I think it's a useful utility blessing;.

It also synergises interestingly with the talents that let you block using Peril and the talents that restore your toughness on Peril generation/quelling. (The generation one apparently didn't work properly but was apparently fixed in the latest patch).

[glossy ember]

slaughterer uncanny is usually the go to combo. I personally run shred uncanny cuz I want crit

[opal pebble]

The 2 times I used purge I didn’t care for it

But that was like 4 months ago

[sturdy dagger]

If you wanna delete hordes either find straight line for void or use surge

PURGE

[opal pebble]

You mean purg?

[sturdy dagger]

I MEANT PURGE

[opal pebble]

Oh ok

[bright ether]

i was gonna say lmao

[sturdy dagger]

DONT USE SURGE

[bright ether]

has that not been the entire discussion today haha

dont get my hopes up like that u.u

[opal pebble]

Dunno if I’m retreading paved ground again sry

[bright ether]

nah you're good

[sturdy dagger]

That actually might have been autocorrect now that I'm on mobile

[fading iris]

Even your heart knows the true

[bright ether]

Purge from what i've read is on top right now when it comes to horde clearing

smite for CC

[strong gulch]

For me, purg is for low energy but I still want to play. Or if I want to just crit away the day and be immune to ranged with empathic evasion.

[hidden crystal]

Also, bear in mind that while 380 is the best possible stat total, not all stats are completely equal. Sometimes good results in the right stats or a good Blessing combo are worth sacrificing your overall total for.

Some even like having a lower Warp Resistance for example to better build up Peril for Blessings/Talents that scale damage on Peril.

[sturdy dagger]

If your evil purge can do anything

[analog agate]

Purge has always been good at horde clear. Problem comes with mixed hordes with melee elite enemies

[fading iris]

get 0% warp resistance for the warp nuke build, you use one warp skill, the whole map explodes (including you)

[robust kayak]

Hey fellas whats the best blitz right now?

[ruby narwhal]

so now surge doesn't get all the bonuses are we back to just using Voidstrike?

[sturdy dagger]

Me when I lie

That's where it excels

Burn everything

Crushers take a lil elbow grease but those 2

[strong gulch]

Example of a lower overall trauma roll being better than any of my other trauma staves.

[bright ether]

before update i preferred surge over purge due to the CC that you could pull on maulers crushers and the like. Wasn't a fan of purg; felt too slow. Then again i wasn't running it on higher difficulties with more mobs to soulblaze or w/e

[spice veldt]

Purg is fine for ragers and maulers

[analog agate]

As that crusher patrol barrels down on you

[spice veldt]

it's just problematic with crushers since the LMB no longer staggers them

[strong gulch]

Still hunting for better.

[sturdy dagger]

Or just burn them 2

[analog agate]

Hence, why I stick with my blaze trauma. Still burn everything and also never be touched or worry

[brazen warren]

played a game of mk3 vraks headhunter, not worth it anymore on psyker

before the patch maybe but now not even a chance

[fading iris]

god roll gang

[strong gulch]

My god rolled Deimos that I don't use. 😩

[fading iris]

that is worse than not getting one, when you expend a god roll charge on something that you will not use

[strong gulch]

Eat up all of the luck. 😭

[fathom adder]

Trauma is good too. Inefficient when things are going well but amazing when SHTF

[strong gulch]

Played since beta and surge blessing still has not revealed itself. Luck is a butt face.

[plucky flax]

[sturdy dagger]

I didn't even see this, they broke surge it's mostly unusable rn even for die hard surge fans

Worse than before the EP bug

[strong gulch]

It's me. Die hard surge fan. Am sad.

[bright ether]

and even worse for those who were not abusing the bugs

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-gif-7523306793289960933

[bright ether]

real

[hollow jolt]

Recon > surge

[sturdy dagger]

Local sibling asked to leave the warp

[fading iris]

I'm glad that I created the muscle memory to use lmb, because I don't want to change from my nice roll surge staff

[strong gulch]

LMB life. At least we have that.

LMB surge on surge when?

[bright ether]

t hey should just let you move when casting smite and call it a day

[cerulean lily]

Anyone got a screen shot of curios for a smite psyker?

[sturdy dagger]

Dont really think smite needs any help tbh

[spice veldt]

i just dislike the design of smite

you become zealot's nade but you can't do anything in the meantime

[strong gulch]

They should let you walk over the smallest of steps while channeling. Top stair is the final boss.

[sturdy dagger]

Right but no ammo and its constant, way bigger 2

[spice veldt]

i'm not talking about balance

i'm talking about design

[sturdy dagger]

Ah yh

[spice veldt]

it's just fucking boring

[thorn cedar]

Also idk PSA I guess if you're gonna be standing in one place smiting targets pls fkn tag the thing(s) you're holding back

[sturdy dagger]

Idk it does something for me just like taunting an entire room as ogryn

I am cc god

[spice veldt]

at least taunting gathers enemies up

[sturdy dagger]

I literally refuse 2 let my useless randoms die

[spice veldt]

smite psykers tend to just smite hordes and have them just be spread about

[thorn cedar]

I can't fuckin see if you're stopping something important because all I see is a royal gay discotheque

[strong gulch]

Smite feels a lot like purge but with smoll damage and you can see.

[olive ember]

How dare you hate smite

Next you are going to say that vet is fine

[spice veldt]

i'm doing fine on vet yeah

[olive ember]

visual disgust

[spice veldt]

i have to run a specific talent selection to get some toughness regen and survivability

[thorn cedar]

Especially ticked about exhil takedown being still broken tho

[spice veldt]

but i'm getting roughly the same numbers as before so i'm chilling

yeah

that one is a real shame

[crude cape]

the tree feels bad, i understand peoples complaints with it, but ive tried 2 builds so far and felt pretty strong on both so i ya i agree i dont think vet is actually 'weak'

[thorn cedar]

Now that there's a dedicated headshot keystone

Like fuuuuck

[olive ember]

I’m surprised the toughness bug is still in game

[cerulean lily]

Got it. Smite psyker doesn’t need curios. Thanks for the help

[hot zephyr]

Here's a real dumb question I have... What is "weaving"? I keep reading about weaving in the Athenum with Assail but it's not clicking in my head what it is

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-intense-boxing-ali-muhammad-ali-gif-6183298

[olive ember]

You can throw a few shards and then swap to another weapon

Or vice versa

And some buffs carry over like uncanny stacks

[lime creek]

wim playing with surge on voidstrike staff, does it double on fully hcarged hits too?

[olive ember]

The tracking still works even after swapping from staff

[olive ember]

Surge works on the rmb attack for voidstrike so yes

[lime creek]

alright thanks

[olive ember]

The duplicated ball won’t be a crit tho iirc

[hot zephyr]

Oh like "weapon weaving"? as in quick-swapping?

[lime creek]

I don't see it often like at all

[olive ember]

Basically yea

[strong gulch]

yup

[olive ember]

Atleast that’s my understanding

[hot zephyr]

Well, that really was a dumb question, but at least I understand now

Thanks

[strong gulch]

Yeah. More swapping. Do a little this or that. Some things have annimation cancels or carry over buffs. Some weapons swap faster than others.

[hot zephyr]

I've always heard it called juggling or QQing (cus Q is the shortcut key for weapon swapping in many FPS games)

[spice veldt]

yeah QQing is also used here though not by the guide's author I suppose

[strong gulch]

Someone else might have the same question and search for "weave" to figure out what it means in here.

You asked the question so someone else didn't have to. Also, checking in to makes sure we are all understanding definitions or meaning in a similar way is important.

[tribal spade]

this staff good ?

[cloud heron]

Cloud radius is a bit bad and sprint efficiency will need swapped. Not terrible though if you dont have anything better

[hot zephyr]

I appreciate the friendly answers. I've been in some... shall we say "less savoury" communities before where "git gud" would have been the answer

[tribal spade]

truethat, not useful against anything except hordes tho

[spice veldt]

simply intuit the definition of the term through the morphogenetic field

[glossy ember]

i QQ a lot

but not in game

[cloud heron]

Purge is pretty good against most specialists and melee elites

[fading iris]

just spam more fire and the cloud radius will not be a problem

[strong gulch]

Felt. I could go on and on, but that seems like it would go beyond this channel tbh. 👍

[tribal spade]

ye, low range tho xd

[cloud heron]

bulwarks and crushers obviously cause you trouble, but its ability to kill everything at the same time is really good

[frank pike]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-cinema-homelander-cinema-gif-26650685

[cloud heron]

maulers and ragers can both be stunned indefinitely with left mouse

[fading iris]

git gud tho

[spice veldt]

fyi, the purg LMB can guardbreak bulwarks if you spray them during their swing

which is convenient for stabbing them, unless there are 4 other bulwarks

[cloud heron]

purge's left mouse attack in general is really underrated. It's quick and spammable and interrupts a lot of big threats

[spice veldt]

yeah it's not immediately obvious that it has much better stagger than the RMB I suppose

which is a shame

[strong gulch]

It's usable. But for a top tier min max purg, cloud radius and burn can't be skimped on. Cloud 80 and burn 76+.

I personally also like a bit of warp resistance because the charge feel slow to me even with warp flurry blessing.

[spice veldt]

spread the word around

[cloud heron]

i've been using purge a lot om the new map and it really carries

[idle aurora]

I like bulwarks scatter technique, it looks like there is 1 for them just to spread into 6

[spice veldt]

shadow clone jutsu

[fading iris]

siblings need to pay more attention on LMB attacks, a lot of wasted potential

[strong gulch]

That's why I dusted off my purg. Feels nice on the new map.

[lime creek]

hey guys for suge voidstrike staffs blessing. I dont see the second ball like ever, is it directly behind the first one or am I doing something wrong

[hidden crystal]

I'm tempted to try this now that Warp Rider now apparently starts from 0% damage.

An Illisi usually farms weakspot hits for True Aim (and I've tested, melee weakspot hits do count), and with an auto crit on tap (and thus a free dodge from Empathic Evasion), I won't need to aim that carefully on the first shot if I need to swap to the HH autogun to deal with ranged enemies. (And with that initial dodge window, I've then got more time to line up shots carefully to trigger the Ghost/Between the Eyes blessing combo).

Of course, at some point I need to try builds that aren't me trying to recreate my pre-overhaul marksman psyker build, but we'll start with that for now.

[fading iris]

watch Fat Shark nerf(by mistake or not) on the surge while not fixing the RMB targeting, thus fully bricking my build

[barren arch]

ok brain boys, I need your help
I have this idea for a sort of 'shield marine' kind of Psyker build, where I go Gun Psyker but pick up Shield instead of Scyer's

I'm looking for a gun recommendation, I need smth versatile, maybe strong hitting, I tried out the Kantrael XII and that is very close to what I'm looking for

[strong gulch]

Sounds good. Work from what you know.

Look into perilous combustion and creeping flames.

[spice veldt]

columnus IAG? Unless you're looking for a slower fire rate weapon

[barren arch]

damn and I got a good roll for it too

[cloud heron]

the kantrael mk12 is, imo, the best rifle in the entire game and has never not been that.

[barren arch]

ye Kantrael has always been strong, but I do wanna try out some other stuff

[spice veldt]

the other marks have more raw DPS in general nowadays

[fading iris]

Revy with 80% reload speed for maximum funny

[hidden crystal]

Well, that's what my current inventory's built around, so I kind of have to work with that somewhat.

[spice veldt]

though the others also have the problem of giving the user RSI

[cloud heron]

Less ammo efficiency though

[strong gulch]

If you want slower FIRE rate, revolver works well out of scriers.

[strong gulch]

Ugh right, forkin crafting mats. I should because I'm broke.

[barren arch]

ok I like how the Columnus feels

ye I'm satisfied with the Columnus, many thanks

also what's a Revy lol

[cloud heron]

revolver presumably

[spice veldt]

the name of somebody's motorcycle

[frank moat]

Revy is a sentient chainsword

[barren arch]

I thought Revy is a chess IM

[hidden crystal]

... oooh. A BB seemingly counts as two weakspot hits for this (apparently once from the stagger it inflicts, then again from the damage).

[frank moat]

It's a very talented chainsword

[cloud heron]

No you're thinking of Likaru

[spice veldt]

oh boy i have just the video for that

https://streamable.com/0bk9u9

[glossy ember]

thats actually a cool concept

[hot zephyr]

That's definitely a Revy in my mind... except you need to make a -100IQ miscalculation and then win anyways.

[glossy ember]

"by the power of warp shields and this gun i found, i'll protect you!"

[barren arch]

and then sacrifice
THE ROOOOOOOK

[barren arch]

yeah thanks, it came to me like all Psyker ideas do
in a dream

[fading iris]

Bro playing on PS2

[spice veldt]

like churned butter

[glossy ember]

bro went

[idle aurora]

jesus, i thought ur textures just didn't load in at 1st

[spice veldt]

maybe if you wait a few years for me to change my mind or upgrade my rig

[barren arch]

now I'm just using the custom weapons mod to make my gun look like an AK47

[strong gulch]

This rig.
#psyker-class message

[glossy ember]

tfw i post gameplay on reddit saying it's "patch 14 non ep" in both the title and the first comment and some people still end up misreading it as "yeah that's EP gameplay"

we live in a society where EP caused irreparaible damages to surge staff's reputation

[fading iris]

Classic psyker look

[barren arch]

exactly

[vale creek]

did something happen with surge staff?

[glossy ember]

yea

[spice veldt]

😎

[vale creek]

and what?

[glossy ember]

you now have 4 chances out of 7 to hit a limb

or 6 idk

[vale creek]

and why? D:

[glossy ember]

uhh

because they coded smite to hit random body parts

[hot zephyr]

So the things I think of when you say this are: (brainstorming out loud)

1. Flat vs Bubble -> Personally I think Flat is better here
2. Non-Crit based weapon for skipping Scriers -> Maybe an Agripinaa so you aren't scarfing down ammo crates like a Columnus?
3. What blitz ability are you thinking?

[glossy ember]

but somehow that applies to surge

[fading iris]

And now I realized that the ak used on this montage has the fun switch

[glossy ember]

oh but they did remove the ep bug that applied to both smite and surge

[strong gulch]

Yee.

In fixing the smite and ep bonus, surge RMB now hits random body parts. You'll see different armor types getting hit. A lot of the time it's a limb. Limbs have reduced damage.

[lime creek]

anyone else who runs smite jsut UNLIMITED POWAAA the lone pox walker sometimes

[barren arch]

already went with Flat yep
I'll try out Agripinaa as well, Columnus does feel nice. Kantrael 12 is also an option
no idea, I think all are a good shout as I have nothing else that relies on Peril

[fading iris]

you should try use... surge staff

[strong gulch]

Gotta make it dance.

[fading iris]

[hot zephyr]

If you want to optimize, Fire Frenzy on the Agripinaa really helps if you want to be close to the front line, especially with a high stopping power roll

[barren arch]

btw can sniper shots go through Psyker shield or?

[spice veldt]

nay

[lime creek]

no

[barren arch]

good

[strong gulch]

No but...

[spice veldt]

but there was a bug where the visual of the shield persists longer than it actually lasts

[strong gulch]

also lag

[fading iris]

[glossy ember]

they don't even try to

[spice veldt]

not sure if it was fixed in this patch but i'd assume it's still here if not mentioned

[glossy ember]

which is a shame

i think snipers ought to try and break bubbles

or rectangles

[plain rune]

hello can i have your notes

you promised

[glossy ember]

here's a crit with maxed stacks on a shotgunner.

[spice veldt]

oh yah

[crude cape]

been a zealot main recently, havent played psyker this patch.
how does it feel? Is assail still good, or not really?

What do you guys think the 'meta' build is rn

[hot zephyr]

My logic for a shield + gun build is that the Agripinaa has good stagger already, and assuming you have the stagger from the shield too you have a really nice stagger CC built in with that, might be enough to allow you to skip Smite in favour of Assail or BP

[harsh urchin]

it got nerfed twice (thrice if you count the psyker class nerfs); people are still gonna say it feels fine, but use that information to make your own judgment

meta build is probably voidstrike or trauma

psyker is IMO probably the weakest out of the 4 rn

[crude cape]

didn't void get nerfed by 100 dmg too again this patch, but wasnt noted?

i heard that

havent tested

[hidden crystal]

Ehh, let's see what I can do with this, particularly as they've changed Warp Charges so you now can't avoid throwing away your entire buff stack when you use your ability.

[crude cape]

Arco, what build you playing rn?

[spice veldt]

it's fine and still good

just swap off assail while it regenerates in the background

0.53s to go through a rotation

[strong gulch]

Haven't heard that.

[spice veldt]

assail still has 10 max shards to burst through

[spare sail]

honeslty ok with that since, to me at least, you are trading infinite ammo with slightly less dmg than other weapons on other classes

[spice veldt]

just the same build with trauma + assail + mk4 duelling sword, but I'm taking EP this time since I realize that I'm not taking much advantage of DD with trauma

[steel flame]

The assail changes have had exactly 0 effects on how I use it with laspiatol

Which is fine by me

[crude cape]

gotcha. what ult you using? and ya i like EP too, trauma not being touched while a lot of other staffs nerfed feels like it had to rise up naturally, it was already good

i just been on a spree of my other characters

my zealot passed my psyker level finally lol

[harsh urchin]

ye laspistol build is starting to be better now

with everything else getting worse

[spice veldt]

i run bubble shield since i'm coming from assail

[harsh urchin]

though the damage nerf from WU while SG is down

[rotund dagger]

Surge Staff Nerfed

[harsh urchin]

affects gunpsyker quite a lot

[rotund dagger]

Time to back to Trauma Staff

[echo turtle]

It's one of the only times smite should be used lol

[rotund dagger]

Quoting TTS Helbrecht while you slowly tase the poxer to death

[steel flame]

Doesn't really change the damage spike from scrier, which is what I care about, I'm not losing any breakpoints from that 10% during scrier downtime

[barren arch]

I'mma try out the Agripinaa too, see how the gun feels (bear in mind, I have not used that many guns, especially not brautos)
in the meantime, this is how my talent tree looks like, gonna have to see how good it is tbh

fuck one sec

there, better pic

[steel flame]

Even then assail usually keeps peril hovering around 30. Only time I'm ever really at 0 is when I'm quelling to get ready to scrier

[echo frigate]

Why did you take that one node in the very bottom right? You could have wildfire or the damage boost one in the top right

[spice veldt]

since toughness

[ionic needle]

Does smite crit?

[spice veldt]

I'd personally take DD for gunker, and take perilous combustion

[echo frigate]

Toughness boost over the toughness perks?

[spice veldt]

it's gunker

[echo frigate]

I mean it already looks like your toughness is capping

[echo frigate]

With no scriers?

[ionic needle]

Oh no not the node to the left of +elite damage aura

Never seen anyone go with that

[echo frigate]

It's pretty good

[barren arch]

had a point left over, didn't know what to put it into so did that lol

[spice veldt]

yeah

but i'm not the person running the build

[barren arch]

yeah, the whole point of my build is shield gunker

[spice veldt]

and they're going for the shield

[echo frigate]

50% toughness when someone in coherence goes down to all in coherencey

[echo frigate]

I see

[hot zephyr]

I tried to think of what you might have done talent wise and came to something similar, but I actually went warp battery instead.

[barren arch]

honestly there's a case to be made for all 3 keystones, I just feel like having a super fast BB when I need it to be a very solid idea tbh

same with going Wildfire and the on elite spread Soulflame thing, that is also an idea I'm thinking for more damage overall

[hot zephyr]

My thought was the cooldown reduction from the elite kills would help put the shield up more often, with 2 charges that last 17s you essentially have infinite shield rotation as long as you get an elite kill

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't take wildfire if your only source of soulblaze is perilous combustion

perilous combustion is just very nice as a talent that scales with elite density

[steel flame]

Scrier is much better on stuff that wants to crit alot and doesn't have crit strings, true aim works better than scrier for a bunch of automatic guns

[hot zephyr]

Oops, didn't mean to click Wildifre. My bad!

[spice veldt]

death

[near wyvern]

Dunno, last time I tested I think transfer peril triggered only once per void ball but that was quite some time ago

[hot zephyr]

Guess there's an extra point in that tree

[barren arch]

yeah I think trading the +15 boost I have might be worth it for Perilous, to help deal with Elites even better, or the other small node I picked up near the top

[near wyvern]

Perilous Combustion is so good at Auric Damnation

Sets a limit for elites since they can reach critical mass

[steel flame]

Unless they changed it, it has always worked on every headshot the ball makes

[hot zephyr]

Nothing is more infuriating than leaving a mob at a sliver of health to me, perilous + wildfire can fix that but I can see why not to take wildfire. I misread how it applied tho.

[near wyvern]

Ehh, still meh cause investing one point in battle meditation achieves the same while freeing up a blessing slot

[spice veldt]

i don't think it has worked on every headshot

[barren arch]

btw which Agripinaa did you mean, Infantry or Headhunter?

[spice veldt]

though it's been hard to test that because of voidstrike's previous weakspot stuff

[hot zephyr]

Mk1 Infantry

[steel flame]

I'm gonna hop on and try fire void again, hope it's good again now that void isn't overly killy anymore

[near wyvern]

@steel flame this ain't even unrealistic scenario, you just need 6 warp stacks, 5 stack malefic momentum (gun a few) and pull out a fun with opening salvo and deadly accurate
https://streamable.com/pda6zo

[barren arch]

this seems a decent enough basis for that then yeah?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah thats pretty close to ideal rolls

Max stopping power on a Mk1 just staggers all the things

[near wyvern]

Pray for double burst blessings

[west stream]

dang still wont roll infernus for laspistol

want to buff my gun further!

[steel flame]

Seems about Right, hardly ever use charged assail unless I need to take out something far away and I'm out of laspistol ammo

[lethal lagoon]

Which Autogun is yall's favorite?

[barren arch]

ok I like this gun

[spice veldt]

columnus IAG

cuz 4-shot crit strings

[near wyvern]

Columnus is my son

[lethal lagoon]

What you roll on it?

Or if you are bored, a screenie would be nice 🙏

[steel flame]

Fire frenzy and dumdum

[near wyvern]

Columnus? You want +flak, Dumdum and Fire Frenzy

[lethal lagoon]

Thx

[barren arch]

ok I'll roll with the Agripinaa Infantry (and the Columnus - gonna try both out and see which works best) and the talent I put up there, I made a few smaller changes - got rid of one of the +15 Toughness Talents and got Perilous Combustion, everything else is the same

now, time to farm up Plasteel and hit up Hadron

[digital narwhal]

Hitstun removed when? Please and thank you

[digital narwhal]

I believe Stripped Down + DumDum is actually the way to go.
It's kind of insane.

[hot zephyr]

Story time: While leving up one of my first purples was this Columnus. It's no-where near ideal, but it felt soooo powerful playing Malice at lowbie levels. Just absolutely stopped mutants and other "scary" elites in thier tracks. I am probably addicted to gunker because of this emperor's blessing drop.

[barren arch]

actually funny story, I used to be one of the very first Gunkers for the longest of times

then I got my hands on a REALLY good fire staff

just now am I returning to Gunker

[steel flame]

I've been playing laspistol psyker on and off since launch, always waiting for the day when we got stuff that used crits

[wet belfry]

Everyone starts as a gunker

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, last December/January I was playing Gunker, and I would constantly get harassed in chat for playing damnation with a gun. I even got lobby kicked a bunch of times "cus psykers are suppose to use staves"

[wet belfry]

Laspistol is mandatory

[barren arch]

bear in mind, back when I was a Gunker, everyone was like

[digital narwhal]

Gunker is really strong in terms of pure DPS

[barren arch]

'ew why tf would you play with a gun as Psyker'

[hot zephyr]

^^^

[mighty olive]

i miss my shredder T_T

[steel flame]

Tbf they still do that

[barren arch]

on the surface it is a fair question

[steel flame]

But yeah I was told I was crazy and stupid

[barren arch]

like you have all these cool magical powers

and you choose a gun

[mighty olive]

maybe they should gib magic gun!

[ionic needle]

Shredder Gunker was insanely fun

[stuck finch]

Just cast gun

[wet belfry]

Throw a roc at them

[quasi junco]

this was before placing the 2nd charge lol

[digital narwhal]

Columnus Gun Psyker is like Shredder Gun Psyker, but without being anywhere near as annoying to play with

since now everyone has batshit insane damage

:D

[hot zephyr]

Gun is a pretty good spell. Costs zero peril, free quell laying all over the ground.

[steel flame]

What if we turned assail into magic guns that shoot at people as they fly through the air before impaling themselves in someone's face

[digital narwhal]

It costs Peril when I start gazing

[mighty olive]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-guns-finger-gun-jake-gyllenhaal-gif-16992373

[digital narwhal]

(That was an extremely horrible joke)

(I am sorry)

[hot zephyr]

That joke was so bad I might have to call my oncologist.

[stuck finch]

Change assail to throw your pistol at the enemy as it seeks it out more targets to blam

[barren arch]

that joke was so bad the Emperor now needs to devour ten thousand and one souls

[mighty olive]

i has question regarding assail and empowered psionics, says it shouldn't consume charges but it seems to consume the charges, is it bugged or am i crazy? >_<

[fading iris]

"Since now everyone is batshit insane" There, fixed for you

[glossy ember]

https://youtu.be/mxPGYtWQ77U im off and leave this here, have a good evening fellow sparkheads

[mighty olive]

rip

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think my heart can watch that 😢

[glossy ember]

had to give it a proper send off...

[digital narwhal]

It's working correctly for me

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/big-boss-the-boss-metal-gear-solid3-snake-eater-snake-gif-19627120

[digital narwhal]

It's not consuming a charge when I have a stack

[lethal lagoon]

Charges of what?

[digital narwhal]

Of Assail

[fading iris]

fun fact: I can still do that... but you change 100 RMB to 60LMB, 40RMB

[lethal lagoon]

Well yes, that's what I assumed, but what if they meant the other way?

[mighty olive]

EP for assail, my charges go away when i cast them

[lethal lagoon]

I still find that unclear 😆

You mean the assail charges go away when you have EP charges?

[digital narwhal]

It doesn't just stop consuming charges for having Empowered Psionics equipped

[tulip trench]

Which keystone is best with each Blitz?
EP: obviously BB

[digital narwhal]

When you throw an Assail shard, if you have a stack of Empowered Psionics, it'll received the benefits

[mighty olive]

ahh i see i see, ty ❤️

[digital narwhal]

Warp Siphon for Smite, and Empowered Psionics for Brain Rupture and Assail

[lethal lagoon]

Each stack of Empowered Psconics works for 1 assail charge.

[tulip trench]

SG ever good?

or outshone by the other 2?

[glossy ember]

[digital narwhal]

Scrier's Gaze is an Ability

Not a Keystone

But yes, Scrier's Gaze is quite strong for Gun Psykers

[tulip trench]

oops

[ruby narwhal]

warp sifon for smite?

[tulip trench]

not SG

[fading iris]

I was about to say that "but I use assail with Warp Siphon", but is actually nope, my warp charges aren't for assail

[faint canyon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/975215459374878801/1174416813686276106/God_Trauma.png

My friend’s

[lethal lagoon]

Change the 5% crit to a damage type probably.

[digital narwhal]

Yes
Warp Siphon with Smite so you can hold enemies in place while looping Creeping Flames on Venting Shriek

[quasi junco]

no blazing spirit?

[ruby narwhal]

OOooh

[quasi junco]

Yea, I love doing this

[faint canyon]

Idk I don’t speak psyker

[lethal lagoon]

Staff is fine, but the 5% crit makes no sense without blazing.

[faint canyon]

I’m a zealot and ogryn two trick

[digital narwhal]

Should swap +Crit Chance to Carapace or Maniac

[fading iris]

You use smite and then watch the hopes, dreams and life on their eyes going away while they beg for mercy and the sweet release of death

happy thoughts for my beloved!

[tulip trench]

meant Disrupt Destiny ever good? or outshone by the other 2?

[digital narwhal]

It's fine, but it's niche

[lethal lagoon]

DD can be fun, especially since it really only *needs * 1 point in it.

[digital narwhal]

I use it with Revolver Psyker for reaching breakpoints, but

the other two are often better

In fact

[tulip trench]

feels like its made for running with SG

and run and gun

[digital narwhal]

I should probably swap DD with WS on my Revolver Psyker tbh

Ah but

WS would need more points than DD

So maybe not

[fading iris]

SMG are fun

[tulip trench]

what is the point of warp siphon?
just more bubble, vent spam?

or do people hoard the charges for +% dmg?

[crude cape]

does handcannon on revolver still affect melee weapon, assail crits, etc?

or did they fix it

[lethal lagoon]

Flaming shriek spam

People do both, or a mixture.

[tulip trench]

ya basically either vent spam or using a purge staff and hoarding the dmg buff

it feels like

venting shriek vs bubble?
i find bubble saves my PUBs from hordes with toughness regen and helps prevent chip dmg in range heavy fights but it is getting boring

[lethal lagoon]

Saving pubs? That's actual heresy.

[fading iris]

yes for all of them

[hot zephyr]

I use it to horde the stacks for +% damage but then when I see an elite pack I pop SG and then drop the pack to gain the stacks back quickly.

[fading iris]

I legit for all that things it can do for me, cooldown on combat, more dmg, less peril, it does my taxes, pay my bills, fix the noise neighbours

[digital narwhal]

These iron sights are spectacular.

[tulip trench]

what weapon you using on the elite packs?
feels like the +%dmg could make purge actually kill carapace/flak enemies

[digital narwhal]

[hot zephyr]

Various guns. It's a gunker battery build.

Mostly infantry auto

[daring crescent]

Hey I haven't played in a bit: Is BB still super slow and tedious to use?

[fading iris]

The Real Grond

[digital narwhal]

Empowered Psionics somewhat alleviates the charge time.

Also, we still have Kinetic Barrage (now called Kinetic Resonance) which makes charge time even faster.

So BB is faster than ever, but you have to build into it and manage buff stacks.

[lethal lagoon]

BB is faster than ever but feels slower than before, personally, as a former BB lover.

As EP BB makes it so it's a bad idea to use BB on anything but a one-shotabble elite

Which is dumb as fuck and limiting

[tulip trench]

how does Warp Siphon feel on purge staff? dmg bonus make it any easier to kill elites with it?

[lethal lagoon]

We had the damage bonus pre major patch, so it feels about the same as it always did?

[tulip trench]

just recently started playing
never used warp siphon yet

[digital narwhal]

Feels pretty strong tbh
Warp Siphon with Creeping Flames Venting Shriek is a tried and true classic for Purgatus, even if it falls behind Blazing Spirit Trauma.

It doesn't have great CC, but

it's still decent

[lethal lagoon]

Ah, then purge will be fun for you

I personally recommend a mod, Custom Flames, so it doesn't cause eye damage.

[daring crescent]

Sounds tedious. I'd happily avoid the skill altogether if a bunch of challenges didn't rely on it.

Guess I need to find a BB that's fun at least

[tulip trench]

main issue i find it when Maelstrom spawns 4 crushers + 8 Maulers all at once. Usually revolver or EP+BB helps but if WS Purge actually fares ok there then...

[lethal lagoon]

Purge does nothing to crushers

Maulers is meh, but it's enough

[tulip trench]

even with hoarded Warp Siphons?

[hard solstice]

Is the pinned atheneum psyker guide updated and current? I see it was posted back in march of this year. Wondering it is upkept like the ogrynomicon

[old oyster]

get weapon costumization mod and you will get better sights

[digital narwhal]

I'm literally using the sides of the Brauto sights on my Columnus

I mean how the shots don't follow the sight

The shots are going below the sights.

[lethal lagoon]

Doesn't it do that on the base sights too?

[digital narwhal]

Ye

That's my point

The sights don't line up with the recoil

[spice veldt]

yeah it's so annoying

I had to adjust the weapon fov with the weapon fov mod to make the sights follow the recoil

I set the ADS fov to 30 iirc

[digital narwhal]

It's not really that tedious tbh

Just gotta maintain stacks of Empowered Psionics, and you can get a guaranteed stack on Elite kill, so you can loop Elite kills with BB for indefinitely faster charge time and higher damage.

[fading iris]

Why you hate conga lines that much?

[digital narwhal]

Reasons.

[digital narwhal]

Based

[fading iris]

"They didn't let Grond on the conga line, Grond ended it"

[tulip trench]

whats the lowest weapon rating worth buying btw?

380?

[lethal lagoon]

I do 359, but I try to avoid upgrading below 370.

[spice veldt]

it depends but my arbitrary value is 360

[digital narwhal]

It really depends on stat spread

[heady garnet]

^

[digital narwhal]

Even a 330 can be god tier

[tulip trench]

ok

[lethal lagoon]

Mine was 360, but I feel like if 360 is ok so is 359. Then I got stuck in a loop.

[digital narwhal]

But you want a good stat spread

[heady garnet]

if it's perfect 80s with a 40 dump stat, meh

i'll run it

[clear heath]

i autosell things below 350 when buying from brunts

[lethal lagoon]

Why not 349? It's basically the same.

🙂

[heady garnet]

I'm currently running a 359 Nomanus with 80 everything and shit quell speed

[limpid cypress]

My Surge staff has the same problem

[tulip trench]

thoughts on these?

i own 0 dueling swords currently

and need to grab one regardless

[limpid cypress]

I got like 78 or 79 in everything and then quell speed is like 23

[digital narwhal]

The Chainsword is a pretty decent base, if not with Pen being a little low, but it's workable if you get good Perks and Blessings.

[steel flame]

That mk4 is the best of the bunch

[lethal lagoon]

I mean mk4 is the best dueling sword, but that mobility, the zoomies is half the fun of the sword.

[tired knoll]

mk4 duelling sword best melee

[steel flame]

It's not cut by all that much

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah.

But still

[tulip trench]

i have a rending blessing i could put on the MK5

[lethal lagoon]

Of the 4, probably your best bet still.

All dueling sword MKs share the same blessing pool

[steel flame]

Though my preferred dumpstat for Mk4 DS is penetration, cause uncanny exists

[strong gulch]

On some weapons, below 50 mobility lowers the stamina bars. Anyone remember if that applies to MK 4?

[tulip trench]

the MK4 is mainly gonna be used for light hordes & elites, with purge for thicc horde mgmt so super high mobility i dont think is super important

[clear heath]

A lot of the time below 50 mobility loses a dodge

idk if that applies to dueling swords

[lethal lagoon]

You can use it for now, and if you like it, you can dump resources for a better one.

mk4 is great but it's definitely not for everyone.

[tulip trench]

dodge limit is 4:5 min:max

[strong gulch]

If you find that MK4 is really hard to manage hordes, the MK 2 makes hordes a easier to manage; but the Mk 4 has stronger havies and are easy to chain heavy pokes.

[tulip trench]

this mainly gonna be for carapace/flak elites

purge for hordes

[silk hawk]

did they fix rampage anomaly dmg?

[vale creek]

was the surge nerf intended or accidental?

[proven raven]

intended, to an extent. they made it so it can target limbs instead of always center mass

[lethal lagoon]

They claim accidental

[silk hawk]

there was nothing about it on patch notes so my bet thats another fk up

[strong gulch]

It wasn't mentioned, but that doesn't really mean much.

[proven raven]

it's kind of a "we did a thing but whoops" moment

[silk hawk]

i mean surge was already shit dmg, what is the point making it to deal 50% less?

[clear heath]

there's no way they wanted it to be weaker

[silk hawk]

?

[clear heath]

i think they just didn't think about how it would screw with the damage output

[strong gulch]

wet noodle lightening

[proven raven]

as opposed to dry noodle lightning?

[spice veldt]

or it was intended for only smite but shenanigans

[silk hawk]

well the only thing we know, surge is pretty much not worth playing until next patch...

[strong gulch]

it's at least more stabby

[tulip trench]

this worth investing in?

[spice veldt]

i doubt the playtesters would've wanted surge to be nerfed anyways

[lethal lagoon]

How on earth did you get 1 dumdum?

[proven raven]

lol

[strong gulch]

skill

[clear heath]

i love having a coinflip decide if my surge will kill a trapper or not

[tulip trench]

lmao tbh first time seeing that blessing

[lethal lagoon]

I mean dumdum is good but tier 1 on a 375 lmao?

[clear heath]

probably from the shop

[proven raven]

hunting for tier 4 blessings? broke
hunting for tier 1 blessings? woke

[silk hawk]

a coin flip with a chance of 1/4

[spice veldt]

for gambling addicts

[lethal lagoon]

If the coinflip was crappy limb damage that doesn't kill a trapper, or EP surge level damage, that would actually be amusing to playing with.

[strong gulch]

add crit chance for more gambling

[silk hawk]

i think even if u crit on the limb it will not kill it XD

[ruby narwhal]

hmmm not convinced on this warp siphon/smite thing. Can somone show my what the build is supposed to look like please?

[strong gulch]

Nerfed surge is great for bringing in the gatcha players. Gamble day and night.

[silk hawk]

anyways, DID THEY FIX RAMPAGE OR NOT!

?

[lethal lagoon]

warp siphon smite is so you can spam flaming shriek, right? Stun, burn, stun repeat.

[ruby narwhal]

but how do you get teh warp charges? O.o

[silk hawk]

u crush skulls

[limpid cypress]

Flame

[lethal lagoon]

or burn heretic fat

[ruby narwhal]

I don't see the synergy with smite O.o

[lethal lagoon]

Smite keeps in place for the flames, and keeps them in place for the burn after

Also peril gen

Smite till 85, flaming shriek, keep smiting.

[ruby narwhal]

oh i see!

[limpid cypress]

The Inquisition doesn’t want you to know this, but burning the skin of heretics and snorting the pulpy skin paste does actually give a healthy amount of warp charges

[lethal lagoon]

If the enemy density is high enough, you can easily top frag with the combo

[ruby narwhal]

so kill elites with staff/sword then wtfpwn teh horde?

[lethal lagoon]

Doesn't have to be just horde, just high density.

[strong gulch]

Under example build part 1. The first one "30.1 Surge - Creeping Smite Siphon"
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

[ruby narwhal]

Tah!

[limpid cypress]

Ah, so this is basically the Ogrynomicon for spark ‘eads

Very cool

[hearty oak]

Does 'One with the warp' actually work?

I dont see the passive buff ever if it has one

[spice veldt]

prob just doesn't have an icon

it worked pre-patch 13 so I assume it works now

[hearty oak]

Probably does. I wouldnt know how they would show the buff in effect

[spice veldt]

curiously, kinetic deflection does have the buff icon thingy

going up or down based on your peril

and now that buff icons are split based on some categories, it (probably) won't be as terribly cluttered

i guess they figured that since it scales from 0% to 100% peril, it's basically whatever

[fresh reef]

Nothing more satisfying than seeing eight shotgunners in the killfeed at the exact same time

[spice veldt]

whereas kinetic deflection does have a cutoff at 97%? who knows

[tulip trench]

Worth investing in?

[limpid cypress]

Karkin’ shotgunners. Considering how much damage they can deal, it bothers me how many of them per group there can be

[fresh reef]

Genuinely more threatening than snipers could ever hope to be

[spice veldt]

spam dodges and hope that you don't get shot by shotgunners between your dodges

properly gambling the moment they're close to you

and their knockback is extremely annoying

so easy to just get chained into a down

[limpid cypress]

Even if you don’t die, the knock back will send you to the remains of Cadia and perhaps further still

[fresh reef]

I tried to melee a gunner once. Even with spamming crabwalk dodges (on a Mk5 dueling sword) I could not get to the fucker lol

[ruby narwhal]

is a low charge rate on a surge staff a big deal?

[limpid cypress]

How to fly.
Step 1: Put shotgunner underfoot
Step 2: Profit

[opal pebble]

What blessings should i put on Trauma if all i'm worried about is maulers, ragers and bulwarks/crushers?

[fresh reef]

Vomit

[ruby narwhal]

gotcha

[fresh reef]

Ideally you'd want to dump Quell speed or Warp res

[analog agate]

Warp flurry and shockwave

[fresh reef]

And charge rate for the most part isn't too big of a factor

But like, 28%

That's yikes

[opal pebble]

is shockwave a specific thing for trauma?

never heard of that blessing b4

[upbeat parcel]

charge rate below 70% feels bad to me

[fresh reef]

Makes your m2 apply Brittleness (armor strip)

[opal pebble]

rad

wish other staffs had that

[upbeat parcel]

give it to voidstrike it needs it

[fresh reef]

Imagine Purgatus with it

Sweet fucking Jesus

[strong gulch]

Brittle is rending that the whole party can use.

[fresh reef]

VS at least has surge to compensate

[ruby narwhal]

This one better?

[tulip trench]

Precog -> Shred
X Perk -> Elites/Maniac/Carapace?
or dont buy? (mostly used for big 'uns with purge + assail doing majority of the work)

[upbeat parcel]

that's super good

[ruby narwhal]

Awesome! Now to have Hadron brick it for me -.-

[upbeat parcel]

I wouldn't use this because of the low finesse tbh, but if you don't have those blessings acquired it might be worth

[ruby narwhal]

which perk should i change?

[strong gulch]

Iirc you don't have a level Mk 4?

If that's the case, then it's probably worth it to save plasteels for other projects. Then you can farm up a better one.

[upbeat parcel]

I would replace warp flurry for surge but what you have already works well enough

[tulip trench]

worth picking up for Req Coins?

[upbeat parcel]

yeah i'd say so

[tulip trench]

better than what i currently have xD

[tulip trench]

ya probably ^

[silk hawk]

what blessing we want for Zarona? surgical + handcannon?

[strong gulch]

Pre patch 15 I'd say flak, but now unarmored + flak is the go to.

Test in the meat grind to see what you struggle with the most.

[opal pebble]

How’s this for my first trauma in a long time?

[lethal lagoon]

So surge is bugged atm, so I would just leave the staff alone till next patch.(hopefully hotfix).

Then test it out in some auric t5s and see which damage you need the most help with

[strong gulch]

The green one has a better base but can get fecked by hadron.

[upbeat parcel]

I hope it's a bug...

I love using surge

[opal pebble]

^

[strong gulch]

yee

[tulip trench]

bought the gold just so i can rip T3 Uncanny later

[lethal lagoon]

They seemed to confirm that the damage drop from hitting limbs was unintended.

[silk hawk]

tnx

[ruby narwhal]

cheers 🙂

[strong gulch]

Looks like you already have the T3, but getting it isn't a bad call. You get something good now.

[opal pebble]

honestly i'd buy uknown blessings for plasteel if i could

[strong gulch]

Just swap that blessing and perk like you mentioned before.

[upbeat parcel]

or let the square currency be used for that

I have so much of it

but no plasteel...

[tulip trench]

precog ->?

and

+15% sprint OR +20% infested -> Carapace? or Elite?

[terse saffron]

but you already have uc3 unless your ui is trippin

[tulip trench]

i think its trippin

talent trees shows nothing connected

but nodes activated

but no branches lit up

lmao

[spice veldt]

yeah that happens to me occasionally as well

[tulip trench]

oh i might have the reveal blessing mod on too

[barren arch]

not double burst buuut I'd say these are pretty darn good tbh

[upbeat parcel]

what is that

a... gun?

[terse saffron]

ideally if the green one isnt a brick you might consider using flak/maniac to oneshot crit ragers

[barren arch]

Shieldker shall finally rise

[terse saffron]

which would be really useful considering you cant stagger poke them like crushers or maulers

[steel flame]

Oh fun, stripped down actually does something now

[strong gulch]

Precog to shred / riposte / rampage.
Shred takes time to build up but is easy to maintain. Riposte gets you the buff faster but you HAVE to dodge; it can also apply to some ranged. Rampage makes hordes easier to manage and make poke silly strong, but it requires cleaving 3 enemies so it drops off in mixed armor and single target.

Sprint to maniac.

Shred is the simplest and requires less compromise.

[barren arch]

ye Stripped Down looks to be pretty situational but hey, also kinda good

[steel flame]

It's better than....what was it before? Sprint efficiency?

Ew

[fading iris]

[steel flame]

Its probably pretty good on stamina for days right tree vet

[barren arch]

regardless I have a really stupid build that could work really well

[fading iris]

stupid builds are the best ones

[barren arch]

essentially, a gun psyker build, except Shield instead of Scryer's and focusing on being a sort of frontliner

[steel flame]

Sounds fun to me

[tulip trench]

Psionic gun (there is no gun)

[barren arch]

we'll see how good it is, technically speaking, I have all the things I need, a well statted gun, a good melee, and a decent talent pickup

[steel flame]

I'm working on something like that too but I'm still rolling for autogun blessings

[lapis token]

I've had this bug, the reload animation is hilarious.

[fading iris]

Now that's a psyker gun!

[tulip trench]

@lapis token

[lapis token]

it's so good

[steel flame]

He's part ork! Purge that xeno scum!

[fresh reef]

How much crit can psyker achieve without Nexus and without Prescience?

[fading iris]

you just need something to hold the bullets, the rest, you can use your psyker powers

[lapis token]

honsetly I miss the stub sometimes, it was kinda fun pulling it out to plink a sniper from ways away from tiem to time

[steel flame]

On what

What weapon

[fresh reef]

Forgor crit changes per weapon

Trauma

[spice veldt]

i assume that trauma has 0% crit chance

[steel flame]

5% base, 10% if you take the passive crit chance node

Not much

[spice veldt]

we have 7.5% base crit chance 😎

[steel flame]

-_-

12.5%

[upbeat parcel]

yuge

[stable silo]

dump stat for trauma = warp res ?

[lapis token]

Not looking for a deep dive, but is this general setup (weapons / tree) good/decent/monumentally bad for a general purpose build? Been running it so far and it seems to be working well for just about everything short of monstrosities, but if there are some obvious fails I've made I'd be keen to learn: https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a9f52fe-2ba8-4db2-a9dd-495476fa9318

[meager kettle]

I'd say so. It doesn't make a big difference high or low.

[barren arch]

if you want, here's my weapon/s and my talents (don't have the relics yet - should prolly grind for that next lol)

bear in mind, I am yet to test this build. I'll have to see how well it does before I can speak on how efficient it is, but hey, at the very least, I hope it helps you out too

I might end up going for a different melee weapon

just using my best melee atm

[steel flame]

I'll probably use knife

And dd

[fresh reef]

Follow up question, is True Aim only on consecutive weakspot hits or is it just 5 WP = crit?

[barren arch]

ye again, that sword is from my fire psyker build, I will prolly end up going for a different weapon

[steel flame]

5 wp= crit

[barren arch]

and I mean, up to you. I think there's a reason for any and all of the keystones

Warp Siphon lets you Shield more often, the one I went with lets you pull out a BB real quick, DD is just great to continue doing gunker things

[fresh reef]

W
Rending Shockwave + Blazing Spirit time

[meager kettle]

That was the most stressful game I've had in a long old while. Psyker really makes me feel cozy in Auric, you just have all the options for pretty much all situations.

[fresh reef]

(this is going to take so God damn long to farm lol)

[steel flame]

DD is a pretty chunky damage boost for guns,

But again once Ive got an IAG worth using, that's when I'll start figuring the build pit

I've already filled my loadouts, will need to start storing them

[bronze hound]

Is purgatus any good rn or staves are kinda meh and it's cool to go pew pew

[meager kettle]

Should switch Rending Shockwave for Warp Nexus IMO

[steel flame]

Staves are all good

[strong gulch]

@spice veldt You may have a convert.

[azure bridge]

what was the name of that force sword that was good at killing mutants?

[bronze hound]

Not all. Surge is definitely not good 😦

[steel flame]

I was very whelmed by blazing shockwave

[spice veldt]

WOOOOOOOO BABY

[azure bridge]

was it the devil's claw?

[spice veldt]

deimos

deimos mk4 force sword

[azure bridge]

demios then

found it

[steel flame]

Someone at fatshark is clearly biased towards mk4

[plucky flax]

RIP plasteels.

[strong gulch]

Not deimos and ignore the weakspot damage.

[fresh reef]

Smite hitting weakspots is so, so dumb for True Aim

[meager kettle]

Yeah, this was a "get through it asap" run. Plasteels were sadly left.

[plucky flax]

Can't be me. I'll be picking all them plasteels in every map I play.

[meager kettle]

My tired brain only has so much room. Plasteel takes a back seat when SHTF.

[plucky flax]

[digital narwhal]

SMITE SHOULD CRIT 🗣️ 💯

[ruby narwhal]

sorry if i'm being dumb guys but what is "surge" i can't find any blessing with that name O>o

[digital narwhal]

It's for Trauma and Voidstrike

[ruby narwhal]

Ah

[digital narwhal]

When you Crit, it "shoots twice"

Unfortunately doesn't work with Trauma M2

[ruby narwhal]

So this as good as it's getting?

[fading iris]

Smite crits... and hit the hand of the model ++ GAMING ++

[static needle]

God roll?

[austere sandal]

holy shit just rolled this

[crude cape]

havent played assail since patch 13, wanted to try it after nerf see how it felt. hows this build?

[spice veldt]

that's p much what I run

[stuck finch]

Disregard grimoires, acquire plasteel

[severe folio]

maybe the other dueling swords in truth aint that bad

they just fill a different niche that dont quite match their demands

and the mk4 fill a niche that perfect in tune with the purpose of dueling sword

[severe folio]

what the fukkk lets gooo

[severe folio]

mk5 so

[fading iris]

++ THE EMPEROR PROTECTS ++

[digital narwhal]

The other Psyker was talking shit, and then I open the scoreboard at the end of the match to see this.

Why is it that the people who talk the most shit can't back it up?

[lapis token]

I take it that mod is probably worth getting if you want to try to improve your personal performance and the like?

[digital narwhal]

100%

[strong gulch]

Did they join late. How did they do 64k??

I typically do low damage and that is low.

[rare storm]

Hello siblings how is everyone today

[digital narwhal]

They were there from the beginning.

[lapis token]

alrighty then. I do kinda like there's no EoR scoreboard to a point, limits general toxicity, but I do miss seeing my stats to see if I was a drag or pulled my own weight. Will have to find it.

[digital narwhal]

They even had a Voidstrike.

[strong gulch]

what the

[digital narwhal]

I mostly use it to judge the strength of my own builds and how well I performed, but.

It's also nice to get receipts on trash talkers.

[strong gulch]

Like damage isn't eveything but how

[faint oriole]

you can still be shit and do alot of damage tho not saying he was in the right

[digital narwhal]

I mean yeah

but if you're gonna chat shit, at least kill more than 6 Elites throughout a whole run

[lethal lagoon]

It's been studied. Relatively worse players are not only more toxic but also sexist lmao.

[frail sand]

no, pacifist run

[rare storm]

You can tell he's shit because he has the most downs and the least damage done

[faint oriole]

ive seen people with 700k damge and blow pox on people and make a wipe

[digital narwhal]

The far right Zealot was below 30 so I don't mind carrying 'em, but I had to mention the trash talker.

[lapis token]

Does one go to Nexus for mods or is there another site? Figured it'd be in the Workshop but apparently not.

[digital narwhal]

Nexus, yeah

Here, lemme grab a thing for you

[lethal lagoon]

That's why I always argue scoreboard would reduce toxicity.

These morons aren't self-aware of how bad they are.

[digital narwhal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/11cod2i/guide_how_to_install_mods_in_darktide_w_gifs/

[rare storm]

Nah a scoreboard would be more toxic

It's good that you have to go out of your way to get one

[digital narwhal]

Toxic people are always toxic

[rare storm]

Especially since this is a horde hack and slash

[digital narwhal]

A scoreboard wouldn't change that

[lethal lagoon]

Toxic gonna toxic no matter what. I'd rather have a good player talk shit than a bad player talk shit.