psyker-class

[late yew]

sounds like Psyker really class is not for you

[ornate hamlet]

"look at this autoaim horde clearer, isnt it fun? have another one too"

[late yew]

i want more CC in fact

[spice veldt]

I didn't play it cuz it wasn't fun

[mental grail]

Better of running smite or bb with ep

[glossy ember]

that's why I said my specific build

[ripe crater]

They only think they are better, and even then, it's still wrong. There is no one way for anything. It's ignorant thinking.

[glossy ember]

even without assail it's still 5% of your total damage

[spice veldt]

if we're going off of player population, does that mean that ogryn is shit?

[mental grail]

Why are you in this class

[ornate hamlet]

for all the shit vet's plasma gets for being an incredibly easy weapon to stomp with, at least the vet aims for the head first

[glossy ember]

for a one point talent thats pretty stronk

[potent echo]

smite doesnt have anything interesting going on

[spice veldt]

because I enjoyed early Psyker and and melee?

[potent echo]

like lmb is worthless

[mental grail]

lame

[ripe crater]

It just means Psyker is most popular. And this is a whole other metric, why are you grasping for straws here?

[spice veldt]

like god forbid I enjoy other aspects of the class while hating on some

[ornate hamlet]

smite is good for a quick CC

[mental grail]

[potent echo]

rmb and release early is a thing but also not super interesting

[mental grail]

"some"

[spice veldt]

what do you mean grasping at straws

[potent echo]

its mainly a tool for me to build peril and creeping flames

[mental grail]

literally 2/3 of the blitzes

[glossy ember]

Respect my anti poxburster weapon (that half the time triggers them and hits teammates)

[spice veldt]

you remarked that you didn't see much Assail shards

like I think my statement follows naturally

[potent echo]

it doesnt even stagger immediately

like theres some weird delay

[late yew]

Which is good thing. All basic bitch posers who hopped on psyker-OP wagon stopped playing him

[spice veldt]

either way, pub players are not a good measurement of the strength of something

[ripe crater]

Why start something about Orgryns when we're talking Assail? It's not relevant.

[late yew]

Now i wait when they nerf surge-psionic interaction

[glossy ember]

yeah lmao

[late yew]

to dispose of new basic bitch posers

[potent echo]

worthless

[mental grail]

pub players are the majority

[jolly cedar]

They already did

[spice veldt]

because I'm using it to make the point that population doesn't paint the full picture

[mental grail]

and should dictate balance

[jolly cedar]

In patch notes they say that its been removed

[potent echo]

if they made lmb something interesting it might be fun-ner

[mental grail]

astaghfirallah I am finished

[potent echo]

like purg lmb is a whole new world of stagger from rmb

[ripe crater]

It's a point that has nothing to do with assail being non-existant in patch 14 AM.

[potent echo]

you can quick swap lmb purg, dash slide in against the flamer and headshot it

[ripe crater]

Whatever bro, you win this one

[spice veldt]

alright and what point are you trying to make by saying that assail is nonexistent in patch 14

[hearty oak]

It was bopund to happen. Unfortunately, the next thing they may nerf is the mk 5 colum

[ornate hamlet]

the way I read this, it makes the argument that people weren't playing it because it fell off hard, but considering how easy and effective it is, I don't think that's true

[charred parcel]

purg lmb is fun, you can just bully everything around all the time

[jolly cedar]

Assail's nerf is big right

2 second cd to 3 seconds

Ur gonna be doing 50% less damage

Since it takes 50% more time to regen

[ornate hamlet]

I pretty much never see a plasma vet, but it's probably the strongest gun in the game

[mental grail]

assail requires way more skill at AM than it does in lower diffs

[hearty oak]

Assails nerf was just not needed. It was just a bonified trash clearer

[spice veldt]

keep in mind that assail will regenerate while you're doing other stuff

[whole oxide]

that's not how maths works

[near wyvern]

this nerf is fine just did a game with Psylot build

[spice veldt]

why do people want assail to fit the trash clearer role

[jolly cedar]

It is after u blow ur whole load

[near wyvern]

TBH they could increase the LMB peril cost a bit

[spice veldt]

it could be something more interesting

[jolly cedar]

U have to wait for the knives to com back

[ornate hamlet]

I don't recall the last time I saw a vet using their power sword to do push combos on carapace, but it's still a brutally effective combo

[near wyvern]

it's surprisingly hard to get your peril up now

[hearty oak]

Cause thats really where it excels at

[spice veldt]

like psyker's weapon options are extremely limited and hordeclear is a good portion of the roles filled by our weapons

[near wyvern]

you have to do like 4 LMB 1 RMB to keep up high peril when weaving

[uneven compass]

Our poor surge staff is back to being low damage

[wet belfry]

Build diversity. It frees up melee, ranged to do something else.

[spice veldt]

given this rather limited diversity, I'd want assail to branch into something else

[near wyvern]

if you do just LMB you will drop your peril and have no shards to increase it

[mental grail]

Not really, I always fired mine in salvos and switched weapons, rather than sit with assail out treating it like a gun

[ornate hamlet]

I think I saw one trauma psyker the past week, but no one can tell me trauma isn't a good staff

[whole oxide]

no, it's a 33% reduction

[potent echo]

lmao imagine playing bugged surge and crying now

[jolly cedar]

American education?

[digital narwhal]

The nerf is fine.
Just means you can't only use Assail.
Like, I'm using Assail with an Uncanny Strike Combat Knife, and swapping to it for Rending after throwing a few darts, and then using my Columnus most of the time outside of that.
It's encourages newer players to swap back and forth instead of crutching on it, which developed bad gameplay habits and is what lead to the Level 30s who have no clue how to melee.

[mental grail]

almost like dealing with those is one of the classes main roles now

[whole oxide]

2s recharge = 6 shards in 12s, 3s recharge = 4 shards in 12s, that's not a 50% reduction

[hearty oak]

Might be one of those weapons that takes time to actually understand what is happening

[ornate hamlet]

Dealing with those is any class' role

[spice veldt]

what is with this strict role assignment

[near wyvern]

yes, but I would really like for them to increase the peril cost of assail like from 10% per shard to 13%-15% per shard

[charred parcel]

the ability to camp on Assail and ignore everything else about your kit AND being that effective, even on lower difficulties, seemed broken to me

[ornate hamlet]

Literally any class should be equipped to deal with hordes

[whole oxide]

"american education"

[near wyvern]

it's hard to keep up warp rider with just assail now without having to go through that lengthy RMB animation

[charred parcel]

or can you literally only throw grenades on any other class and be okay?

[near wyvern]

breaks the flow

[jolly cedar]

Hahaha

Definitely american

[ornate hamlet]

There's no main role of horde clearing

[spice veldt]

it's not like assail hordeclear is that much more impressive anyways

[hearty oak]

You dont have to tell me this. Me personally, i saw players that primarily used assail in damnation and getting punished for it

[wraith crag]

Grebe

[wet belfry]

Psyker is usally pretty poor at horde clear in reality either way outside of some niche staffs.

[spice veldt]

cuz pub players

[crystal oxide]

.. Okay yeaaah. Goign back to my gunker after trying to make Vet work

[potent echo]

last i checked no other class has access to trauma or purg

[crystal oxide]

Still a better rifleman, with my mini micro missiles.

[potent echo]

and no flamer is not even close

[spice veldt]

I would not ever use pub players as an accurate measurement

[near wyvern]

we do have burst horde clear with creeping flames (fire shout)

[mental grail]

role assignment is the purpose of classes

[near wyvern]

and illisi / dclaw gaze exists

[mental grail]

purge, smite, assail

[wet belfry]

Lots of burst ye but not sustainable

[mental grail]

all for horde clearing

[whole oxide]

do you think that if it was 4s, then that would be a 100% reduction? you straight up can't do percentages

[glossy coral]

is their a damnation+ vialbe build that does not use surge or void staff?

[near wyvern]

smite exists

[near wyvern]

Psylot build

[spice veldt]

you paint it as if the differences between the classes were that vast or meaningful

[frail sand]

okay i cant win this new map with vet

[near wyvern]

just did a fresh carneval in damnation hi int stg

[frail sand]

im playing psyker

[potent echo]

hows the new map?

[near wyvern]

the end event is crazy

[mental grail]

Of course other classes can kill hordes but certain classes are specced to different roles

[potent echo]

boss?

[whole oxide]

new map seems to be very gunner/ranged heavy

[glossy ember]

Would BB be a better peril generator?

[frail sand]

im pulling out voidstrike

[potent echo]

i heard theres 2 lieutanents or smth

[frail sand]

i ran out of ammo 3 times with 3 different builds in 3 different runs as survivalist vet

[uneven compass]

Pre this patch surge staff/assail/bugged EP was a fun combo. Primarily Surge staff for elites and specials, throwing a full assail flurry to thin out the horde, then back to surge

[glossy coral]

scource?

[uneven compass]

@ornate hamlet ope sorry didn't mean to reply

[near wyvern]

imagine throneside where you have to operate the gameboy in a shooting gallery. Now remove the gameboy, put interactable objects aroud the place and remove all the walls

[glossy ember]

not surge ep enjoyer

[mental grail]

I'm just saying horde clearing is one of psykers main roles, that's all I said

[spice veldt]

God forbid you have to learn something in a game and get better at it

[near wyvern]

Atheneum, pinned messages

[potent echo]

psyker shield stonks?

[near wyvern]

for that end mission? a bubble is a well considered option, ngl

bubble trauma will do good there

[spice veldt]

and surely we should make 4 of our ranged warp options (out of our already limited warp weapon pool) fill that role

[ornate hamlet]

And regarding assail's problem of horde clear, I am of the mindset that effective horde clear should be done in two ways:

• You engage the enemy in melee range to conserve ammo and risk your health
• You engage the enemy at range and spend ammo, which is a consumable resource that can put you in a pinch if you're like one of those cavemen that spams a brauto down a crowd of groaners
  The psyker bypasses that second part by virtue of their staff, but it also comes at the problem of peril, being able to fucking explode and now players might or might not have the ability to quickly vent 50% peril, not to mention they give up a slot that can go for a gun

[frail sand]

im pulling out my voidstrike/smite/bubble build for this new map ngl

[potent echo]

understandable

[digital narwhal]

This has quickly become my favourite Gun Psyker build.

It's so fun.

[mental grail]

I mean a well played zealot or a vet is going to take down monstrosities and targets way faster than a psyker is on average, simply because dealing massive damage to single targets is their class specialty

[near wyvern]

All these people crying about Assail horde clear when they don't realize the most broken shit it has is that it's an instant stagger tool

[ornate hamlet]

And then assail comes outside the melee or gun slots, with magical regenerating ammo, and just allows people to autoaim through a horde

[mental grail]

The differences aren't "vast" but they are def there

[ornate hamlet]

dueling sword mk4

deimos

[whole oxide]

i really don't get people's opinion that if something, either a blitz or trait, doesn't clear the entire map of enemies, that its therefore super-bad

[spice veldt]

I mean psyker just lacks the weapon for it as well

[ornate hamlet]

scrier's gaze

[spice veldt]

you can do good boss damage with a Columnus IAG and whatnot

[digital narwhal]

Also the fact that it still works with Uncanny Strikes

[mental grail]

mashallah what an amazing ability

[digital narwhal]

I love my Uncanny Strikes Assail that kills a Rager in 3 darts

[near wyvern]

yes and can even proc it by itself if you swap before they land

[spice veldt]

~10 second kill on a plogryn in an extremely ideal case

[bleak tulip]

nerd emoji

[digital narwhal]

Yep Yep

It's so easy

and so free

[spice veldt]

but Psyker just doesn't have that many weapons

[digital narwhal]

Ye
Just a bit ammo intensive

[potent echo]

uncanny needs the weapon out or it doesnt apply yea

[spice veldt]

and we don't have a single-target staff that's good at bosses

[mental grail]

For a reason, boss killing isn't psykers job, you have to have slacking vet and zealots for a psyker to actually kill a boss

[near wyvern]

The biggest nerf to Assail was that you can't generate that much peril now with LMB

cause you have fewer shards to throw

[spice veldt]

what "for a reason"

[near wyvern]

increase that peril gain pls!

[whole oxide]

I'm still interested to hear what percentage change you think 2s recharge to 4s recharge would be? Because the answer is 50%

[spice veldt]

what good reason is there for Psyker to only have 4 force staffs

are you fucking insane

[mental grail]

it isn't your job

[frank chasm]

it needs more staffs

[mental grail]

like idk what is hard to grasp

[frank chasm]

But Psyker is raw dps

Not a boss killer

[ornate hamlet]

I know pubs aren't the best at dealing with boss damage, but it's not hard for psyker to be good at killing bosses

[bleak tulip]

classes dont really have "jobs" lmfao

[plucky flax]

Rip handcannon assail I am literally useless now.

[frank chasm]

zealot hammer is a raw boss killer

[digital narwhal]

I just open up each room/encounter with Scrier's to build me Peril and then keep it high from there by slinging of a few Assail shards whilst swapping back and forth from my Knife.

[glossy coral]

@near wyvern i guess from what i read you either play void/surge or go zealot on psyker? sadly no soulblaze

[digital narwhal]

But-
I guess that's not Assail in of itself.

[charred parcel]

100% more recharge, but you get 50% less uses

[spice veldt]

why should the difference between classes ever be that vast

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma build is super strong but you need insane luck for a good staff.

[frank chasm]

classes have flavours- zealot is your melee dps sans tank.

Veteran is ranged support

Og is raw tank

Psyker is support DPS

[mental grail]

job = gameplay task that class excels at, it's not hard to grasp

[ornate hamlet]

MMO brainrot

[frank chasm]

BECAUSE ITS A FUCKING CLASS SHOOTER

Classes don’t all have to be a beige amalgam

[ornate hamlet]

that's literally what the trees are

[bleak tulip]

every class can do basically any task, multiple classes excel at the same thing
and save the snideness you just look like a dummy

[frank chasm]

Why doesn’t psyker play like vet?
Cause it’s a psyker

[orchid shadow]

Eyyy, the finally fixed the Surge bug.

[spice veldt]

I mean I don't think it should play exactly like vet

[ornate hamlet]

if they wanted to funnel you into roles, they wouldn't have overhauled the talent tree

[digital narwhal]

Ogg isn't just raw tank

[mental grail]

psykers are actual dogshit at boss killing

[spice veldt]

God forbid I want some semblance of aiming or mechanical skills for psyker

[proven belfry]

Mmhmm yep but lets ignore the arguments tho ongoing here yep.

[frank chasm]

Over simplified for ease of reading

[digital narwhal]

Fair

[bleak tulip]

okay and? how is that related to what I said

[hearty oak]

Try disrupt destiny and have ridiculous crit damage

[spice veldt]

I want to interact with peril and psyker's great stamina Regen delay and also want some mechanical engagement

[mental grail]

"every class can do basically any task"

[frank chasm]

Your mechanical skills are your dodging, managing peril, and keeping your support procs up, you also do have to aim with Void trauma and surge lmb to get the most out of them

[spice veldt]

dodging is extremely brainless

[onyx sentinel]

oh wow, brain burst with empowered psionics doesn't even one shot ragers anymore with the warp rider fix

[spice veldt]

just get the muscle memory to spam dodges

[ornate hamlet]

I'd like to point out that just because something isn't as incredibly goated as something else, it's not necessarily bad

[onyx sentinel]

standard bb

L

[spice veldt]

I don't get why people have trouble with dodges

[ornate hamlet]

thunder hammer zealot backstab bullshit is fucking insane, yes

[glossy coral]

what is so rare about that staff, the guide only stattes that its hard

[bleak tulip]

yeah and they still can, theyre just not as good as others anymore

you do get to permastagger them

also gun psyker can still shit on bosses just fine

[ornate hamlet]

no, not everything below it is literal garbage

it's thunder hammer backstabbing that excels, not the opposite

[orchid shadow]

Arguments? On the internet? Where?

[plucky flax]

It has too many blessings and you want the exact 2 blessings.

You also need high modifiers on the staff.

[charred parcel]

it's the problem with any heavily meta oriented system, anything that isn't literally the best is garbage. I don't think it's true but ehh

[ornate hamlet]

psyker has the tools to deal with bosses just fine, even if they don't have the mystical 0.025s kill time or something

[onyx sentinel]

and 5% crit

[bitter escarp]

yeah people think in binaries

[uneven compass]

I highly prefer the classes having different strengths and weaknesses otherwise it feels like class choice is just visual differences

[bitter escarp]

OP or trash

[late yew]

I would not say "just fine"

Psyker is the worst against bosses

[mental grail]

They will always be below an equivalently skill vet or zealot because those classes are equipped to handle bosses optimally, which was my entire point. What is your point?

[charred parcel]

I mean, I'd love a brain burst type staff that is really good against bosses

[spice veldt]

it's pretty evident to me that Psyker just lacks the # of warp weapons, and the design of the existing warp weapons further constrains our design

[ornate hamlet]

that is assuming there's a defined point where zealot, vet and psyker skill groups have an exact intersection

[near wyvern]

wdym, the only thing that got really hurt by these changes are regular gun psykers, cause they have it hard time keeping up peril and that +10% was needed for instance lasgun breakpoints (haven't checked headhunters yet...)

Staff builds are pretty much unchanged, Psylot build is changed only by the fact that you can't simply spam LMB anymore to build peril, you gotta do 4 LMB 1 RMB, otherwise you are gonna drop peril (and managing that peril is a bit more important now).

[kind jay]

wheres my force knife/force revolver

[near wyvern]

oh and Deimos one shots are now a lot harder to craft

for mutants

thx Hadron!

[late yew]

You know you can use DS to be rewarded for precise clicking, right?

[spice veldt]

explosion staff, flamethrower staff, cleave ball staff, single-target lightning staff

[late yew]

Also that is the most boring way to make lcass harder to play

because pointing and clicking is pure mechanics

not decision making

[frank chasm]

I don’t think anyone would disagree we want more.

But pushing a psyker away from its lore based abilities to a staff that plays like Plasma 2.0 is a boring ass way of doing it

[bitter escarp]

biomancer melee self buffing psyker when

[charred parcel]

the Omnissiah will appreciate your sacrifices

[glossy ember]

200 mouse sensitivity surge staff enjoyer spinning at the speed of light hitting every single mob

[mental grail]

go back and play veteran for that

[bitter escarp]

gimme a staff for Cellular Control

[spice veldt]

motherfucker what are you taking about

[ornate hamlet]

psyker lore is the first mistake people make

[glossy ember]

[bitter escarp]

just getting swole from secondary fire

[ornate hamlet]

they're not mages, they're not sorcerers

[mental grail]

I know they're "psychic"

[ornate hamlet]

they're people who manipulate the warp into whatever they seem fit that doesn't explode their head in the process

[spice veldt]

how would reducing assails ammo economy and requiring you to swap more often to get more mileage be plasma 2.0

[wet belfry]

Wizards

They are wizards

[ornate hamlet]

they can manipulate the warp to kill people with their fists if they so wish

[mental grail]

but shooting fire from your hands isn't fucking psychic

[uneven compass]

Same, I kinda expected them to give each staff unique left clicks by now and surge's to be a single target high damage high peril lighting bolt which could have fit well with a boss killer/elite killer role

[glossy ember]

the power of schizophrenia and god(emperor)

[charred parcel]

teleport gates when?

[bitter escarp]

Ogryns can be psykers now

[spice veldt]

Psyker has really good swap timers on our weapons and that's something that should be leaned into

[bitter escarp]

I want to see an Ogryn Psyker channel Hammerhand

[mental grail]

Psykers are the most wizard "not-wizards" I've ever seen

[late yew]

Weapons like what?

[bitter escarp]

just body a whole tank regiment

[bleak tulip]

its worse than the two classes that use a hilarious combination of borked shit that the patches are actively working to adress because theyre not meant to destroy boses in like 10 seconds its just a result of patch 13, thats not "class design"
look back before patch 13 and no class was a "boss killer" like they are now, its not deliberate design to clear bosses that fast

[frank chasm]

THIS

[late yew]

Dueling sword

[ornate hamlet]

like, there's no reason for us to not have a staff that basically plays like plasma gun

[charred parcel]

yeah that could be a lot of fun

[wet belfry]

Voidstrike

[ornate hamlet]

plasma gun doesn't go through thin walls

i mean uh

voidstrike

that

[late yew]

Literally void stuff

[bleak tulip]

people when the game came out "psyker isnt meant to horde clear theyre special killers"

thats what this shit sounds like

[bitter escarp]

yeah people too wedded to stupid MMO role nonsense

[late yew]

No noe ever said that

[bitter escarp]

uhhhhh

[spice veldt]

just people with insane role fixation

[wet belfry]

Psyker should be vet but worse

[bitter escarp]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

[bleak tulip]

they did, and they were dummies

[ornate hamlet]

this reminds me of that one time I saw someone firmly defending brain burst as a boss DPS tool or something like that

[bitter escarp]

they absolutely did and they were wrong, shit thinkers, and should feel bad

[late yew]

Brain bust is the best psyker tool for boss damage

[bleak tulip]

people also said zealot was horde clear class

meanwhile two shotting crushers with revolver go brr

[ornate hamlet]

brain burst is good damage bro i swear bro use it as the main weapon bro

[spice veldt]

no

[charred parcel]

brain burst is a very safe tool for boss damage

[stuck bridge]

uh oh what happened

[late yew]

And what is better?

[ornate hamlet]

brain burst is good, but its DPS is ass

[spice veldt]

a gun or melee

[uneven compass]

Isn't purgatus max stacks plus brain burst on paper the best psyker boss damage? Tbh having used it tho I don't notice anything drastic

[spice veldt]

brainburst is around the ballpark of 800 DPS against unyielding assuming resonance is always up and not accounting for quelling

which is frankly quite bad

[ornate hamlet]

800

[median siren]

Is there a list or smth on what the different staffs do? Their secondaries, to be specific

[charred parcel]

don't quell and explode at the boss instead, so your dps while alive is higher

[digital narwhal]

We could definitely use more warp weapons, yeah

[ornate hamlet]

In the meantime we have weapons that can easily get 3000 on weakspots

Which is what BB always hits

[willow hazel]

Only compared to other staffs. It's much worse than the Columnus

[ornate hamlet]

So it's 800 DPS on weakspots

[digital narwhal]

We've got, what... 7? 4 Staves, and 3 Force Swords.
I guess 7.5 if you count the push on Laspistol.

[bitter escarp]

does BB hit burgle in the pimple

[digital narwhal]

[bitter escarp]

or the head

[spice veldt]

pimple

[ornate hamlet]

The pimple

[bitter escarp]

aight

[wet belfry]

BB is just a bad abillty

[potent echo]

oh really? i always thought it hit the head

[mental grail]

Bolters and Plasma guns were better at boss killing than anything Psyker had in its kit. Patch 13 was Fatshark doubling down on what they already had intentioned.

[uneven compass]

I'm hoping part 2 patch brings us a couple new force weapons. New staff and 2h force sword would be nice

[spice veldt]

they really should just add more depth to BB

[ornate hamlet]

Before the talent rework, one of my absolute favorite things to do was the helbore dance

[mental grail]

BB is just too fuckin slow

[potent echo]

i agree BB should have more stuff going on, increasing the speed wont help it feel more interesting

[mental grail]

I'm glad they fixed the charge time bug, but goddamn

[bleak tulip]

psybolts when

[bitter coral]

Any new pysker bugs?

[ornate hamlet]

Ever stared down a plague ogryn with your helbore and danced around the melee attacks just to dab on the vet players that shit their pants whenever anything gets within 20 meters?

[spice veldt]

make it charge faster if you're hovering your cursor over the enemy and/or add back wrack & ruin

[frail sand]

idk i think BB is mostly fine rn with EP

[frank chasm]

A 2H force sword would be sick.

I wonder if they will give us like an ice staff to serve in a support slow role

[potent echo]

like maybe you tag multiple targets then its high noon anything

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, I was that guy showing the there's another way

[mental grail]

it's been maybe 6 hours

My dream BB perk

[charred parcel]

how about the option in your specs to change BB to either an AOE burst that kills a bunch of stuff around your target or one really strong burst

[bleak tulip]

ah yes bolter the very cool and balanced vet build that was so intended that they got rid of it

[bitter coral]

I am hopeful ok

[spice veldt]

wrack & ruin

[ornate hamlet]

an AoE BB would be interesting, but at the same time risk being another assail

[uneven compass]

Man any type of cold or ice magic is my fav in games so that'd immediately become my new main staff

[mental grail]

bb targets explode in an aoe explosion whose strength depends on current peril level

[charred parcel]

the long charge time should prevent an Assail situation

[unborn flicker]

My Beloved 😦

[frail sand]

could be like smite idk, primary high single dmg, secondary aoe dmg

[ornate hamlet]

I think psyker blitzes should still work like any other the game has, being tertiary or specialized tools to solve problems

[charred parcel]

true that also works, but then secondary needs to charge faster

[bleak tulip]

one day this channel will not weeky devolve into the same "how to make BB not shit" discussion thats been raging for LITERALLY A YEAR

[surreal jetty]

i wasn't even using EP with my surge and it feels a lot weaker now

[spice veldt]

I'm fine with smite/BB being weapons you can use for a good period of time

[ornate hamlet]

You don't look at a krak grenade as the thing you pull out immediately the first second you see an enemy, for example

[charred parcel]

if it's a heavily armored Elite I do

[surreal jetty]

guessing cause of the warp rider fix

[spice veldt]

but as long as assail can passively regenerate, it should never be able to do that

[digital narwhal]

I feel like BB would be cooler if they leaned more into the strengths of it's nodes, than into the base ability itself.
Buff Kinetic Flayer and Kinetic Resonance.

[bold flint]

man, there are a fuck ton of enemies on the new map

[ornate hamlet]

Or if you do, you expect it to not be as effective as using a weapon or fulfill a role that isn't fulfilled by the other items you're carrying

For example, the infamous autopistol psyker

[stuck bridge]

so then wc surge is the option for those still wanting to use the surge staff?

[bold flint]

bb will be stronger if they put mind in motion available in its path 🙂

[charred parcel]

hence why heavily armored elites like Crushers etc., the rest of my gear struggles a bit with that :D

[surreal jetty]

this. having flayer be 10% chance AND on a 15 sec cd is crazy

[wet belfry]

I dont view psyker as needing to be constrained with their blitz abilltys in the same way as other classes.

[ornate hamlet]

They had melee for melee shenanigans, a mid-range automatic weapon for all-purpose bullshittery and brain burst dealt with crushers, bulwarks and long range enemies

[digital narwhal]

Reducing Flayer to 7.5 seconds would be neat

[spice veldt]

should just delete flayer and replace it with wrack & ruin

[ornate hamlet]

Old BB ensured psyker never had to want for a long-range weapon and meant they had 3

[limber tartan]

Blits abilities allow psyker to have a lot more utility and freedom in their builds

[digital narwhal]

Tbf, a lot of people enjoy Flayer

[bold flint]

wrack and trash

[frank chasm]

There are so many ideas they can pull from the lore to create a more unique psyker experience - but people would rather whinge about aiming and the fact that you can throw a few rocks to thin a horde

[ornate hamlet]

But it never replaced revolver, it never replaced IAGs, it never replaced any guns

[uneven compass]

I dunno what they could even do to make BB desirable. More damage, cause a small explosion around the target for a little horde clear, I got no idea

[bleak tulip]

make flayer do its old thing and be upkeep, make it only trigger on specials and elites

[frail sand]

i still havent won one match on new map with vet yet

[spice veldt]

damn almost like they're not mutually exclusive

[limber tartan]

That's why you can run gun psyker and still roll because you have other tools in your kit that will help your team one way or annother

[digital narwhal]

Replace Kinetic Resonance with Cerebral Lacerations

[wet belfry]

Faster charge rate would keep my blood pressure lower as less kill stealing

[bold flint]

faster cast time and better damage to meet breakpoints

its so weird that it takes so much even with empower to get kills with it on hard targets

[glossy ember]

embrace wc

[spice veldt]

I suppose you conveniently ignored me ranting about the lack of warp weapons that Psyker has?

[glossy ember]

its da best

[ornate hamlet]

Psyker could also benefit from some funnies, like fire weapons applying soulblaze instead of normal fire

[mental grail]

That patch 13 made irrelevant by bringing back the 15 second kill status quo? Vets & Zealots still killed faster than Psyker even after the nerf.

Also ignoring vets plasma?

[charred parcel]

honestly if I were the designer, I'd go completely in a different direction. Portal Gates, mind controlling specials and elites for a limited amount of time, stuff like that

[ornate hamlet]

Imagine an infernus laspistol that triggers soulblaze

[uneven compass]

Shame the class that ingame refers to each other as siblings can't be united on that issue lol

[mental grail]

It was also ass.

[surreal jetty]

what does wc stand for?

[ornate hamlet]

Still is

But it had a purpose and still does

[charred parcel]

from all I heard, no group argues more than siblings lol

[frank chasm]

No I agreed with you several times in this chat about that - in fact I didn’t even mention you in my initial message so up to you what you wish to project onto my statements

[rare storm]

warp charges

[stuck bridge]

ive been doin it for a couple of weeks, doesnt feel bad but not great

[surreal jetty]

ah yes, am dumb. ty

[unborn flicker]

💀 I thought we were supposed to be glass cannons but they are just making us glass

[digital narwhal]

Idea:
Rework Kinetic Resonance entirely and let it automatically Brain Burst up to 5 randomly chosen enemies within 8 metres of you when you cast your Ability.

[wet belfry]

I genuinely dislike smite but my recommendations for it are pretty much just completely rework it.

[frank chasm]

Smite feels so meh

[wet belfry]

Stun abillty that has to be maintained is zzz.

[summer prairie]

it's very good

[mental grail]

Doing penance for BB in Heresy upto AM opened my eyes

BB is dogwater

[surreal jetty]

it's a cc life saver

[summer prairie]

one of the best blitzes

[azure bridge]

I love smite

[bleak tulip]

I think you dont understand what I wrote but okay
I have no idea about plasma being boss dps before or after patch, in like 200 hours since 13 I havent seen a vet demolish a boss with plasma like ogryn or zealot can but maybe its because the average vet even in auric maelstrom is a shitter

[spice veldt]

I've been the one person particularly vocal about Psyker needing a precision weapon and shooting assail's ammo economy on the knees so that's how I'll take it

you don't get to weasel your way out of it with just because you didn't directly name me

[frank chasm]

smite is good. But boring.

assail is good but kinda boring

BB sucks but gives dopamine

[unborn flicker]

Honestly in maelstrom it’s a life saver

[azure bridge]

yeah its damage is low, but when you get a huge horde stuck in it, you fell like you're really pulling your weight

[near wyvern]

Siblings, we have a new Surge staff bug. It randomly can hit weakspots.

[ornate hamlet]

based

[rare storm]

[spice veldt]

plasma's patch 12 sustained boss DPS was quite meh because of venting

[rare storm]

fr?

[ornate hamlet]

Fatshark giveth

[frank chasm]

[obtuse lake]

i do like 0 dmg after the update

[rare storm]

The emperor blesses

[wary inlet]

it also seems to do half damage sometimes for no reason

[uneven compass]

Explain more sibling

[surreal jetty]

same

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message PROXY POST take it from the vet enjoyer himself

[near wyvern]

no, it does double the damage at times because it hits weakspots randomly

[mental grail]

You do regular damage that fatshark intended

[bleak tulip]

I didnt play vet much ever so I really dont know

[near wyvern]

HMB

[mental grail]

[wary inlet]

I don't remember it ever criting for 500 on a carapace enemy body shot

[obtuse lake]

so psyker is dead again

[bitter escarp]

doomer take

[spice veldt]

it's been only a few hours after the patch

give it a few days before saying something like that

[obtuse lake]

well with the build i was dominating now i do 0 dmg xd

[surreal jetty]

the warp rider node was giving 10% dmg at 0% peril. now it gives 0 at 0 peril. so you feel weaker with no peril

[frank chasm]

Void WC psyker is so not dead

[obtuse lake]

i usually keep my peril at 80%

[frank chasm]

400k+ damage in damnation easy

[bleak tulip]

"my build is bad so the whole class must be dead"

come on my guy

[rare storm]

It's called play better

[potent echo]

10% damage nerf? literally the end of the world

[ornate hamlet]

it is so joever

[rare storm]

[charred parcel]

I just learn to play more Purgatus and see what happens

[frank chasm]

Dw I bought the fainting couch

[spice veldt]

not free damage anymore 😔

[bleak tulip]

was your build abusing surge by chance?

because yeah then your build is actually dead

[frank chasm]

https://tenor.com/view/fainting-gif-10297203

[bleak tulip]

well

its a lot worse

[mental grail]

Meh Vet DPS compared to pre-13 gunker is still a lot, and more than a gunker is going to contribute considering the average gun psyker has the gameplay sense of a scrambled egg.

[potent echo]

400k

[obtuse lake]

palpatine build xd

[bleak tulip]

yeah that checks out

go try something else before you cry say that whole class is dead (lets not be mean now)

[uneven compass]

I think with the surge bug fix drastically reducing my damage I'ma just go back to warp charges and focus more on using smite/bubble support build instead of 80% surge spam unfortunately

[frank chasm]

Just gotta headshot everything - plus using the crit talents - then you go brrrrrr and melt hordes and specials and stunlock bosses

[potent echo]

surge spam still works you just got to do it more

[wet belfry]

I dont feel bad for you at all. No more crutches for you.

[azure bridge]

surge/bubble is great i am really enjoyhing it

[idle aurora]

What perks for blaze trauma, i forgot crit chance + maniac?

[mental grail]

Me after assail nerf + surge 125% buff was patched out

[rare storm]

[spice veldt]

and vet was vastly overtuned pre-patch 13

[rare storm]

Now that the surge crutch is gone, I can finally play the surge staff again

[bleak tulip]

my ass out here way more excited about HISG being unhinged again but I am at work

[spice veldt]

are you forgetting ult extensions, +50% damage, and +75% ogryn damage?

[uneven compass]

True, especially with warp charges peril reduction allowing more spamming. Less burst but I guess more DPS via getting more lightning out before quelling

[rare storm]

What was changed for hisg?

[glossy ember]

unironically try to use your ability less unless it's shriek

[bleak tulip]

director hates you now

[rare storm]

Sick

[weak widget]

Trauma staff is fun, fuck smite, trauma makes me feel like a wizard staggering everyone and blowing shit up

[bleak tulip]

idk ask arco he actually played I am here at work getting hyped up

[potent echo]

i've been running surge creeping warp assail in 14, its really good

with assail nerfs just use surge more

[spice veldt]

I had a game with like what, 200 special spawns over 36 minutes?

[glossy ember]

keeping up PT+warp charges is pretty much crucial to surge staff

[wet belfry]

Only 200?

[spice veldt]

I forget if it was 200 or 400 since I might be only remembering one line from the scoreboard

[glossy ember]

or alternating warp charges with malefic momentum

[wet belfry]

Rookie numbers smh.

[steel flame]

Cool

[wary inlet]

limited power lets fucking gooooo

[mental grail]

I cannot when the boss is at half health by the time I press rmb

[weak widget]

how do damage bonuses stack with psyker? warp stacks x6, 24%, the 20% from warp rider, 15% from warp timing

[mental grail]

ogryn grenade launcher goes thump thump

[steel flame]

Usually in the unintuitive way possible

[ornate hamlet]

suspicious

[summer prairie]

Not sure if this is surge or smite, would explain hitting weakspots

[bleak tulip]

almost like thats why bosses take less explosive damage now

[spice veldt]

dis #psyker-class message

[near wyvern]

So my guestimate is that Surge staff hits random body parts now, that's why you can at times see a low number on a crusher cause it's probably hitting a limb

https://streamable.com/epuyj1

[ornate hamlet]

true and real

[near wyvern]

there we go

[weak widget]

fatshark must have the worst coding discipline

[ornate hamlet]

that's programming

nobody has coding discipline

[summer prairie]

it doesn't look like a bug

[wary inlet]

does nobody load this shit up before they ship it

[weak widget]

I feel like no one has a clue what's going on and is doing their own thing with their own ideas while working on the same thing

[potent echo]

huh? random body part? whyy??

[charred parcel]

when even Fatshark can't keep coherence

[foggy breach]

oh so thats why it felt like DD wasn't working

[uneven compass]

So you're saying surge now hits random weak spots so with warp charges peril reduction leading to more surge spamming we still might have a powerful surge staff?

[spice veldt]

ooh DD fix

[potent echo]

just visual

it should highlight bruisers now

thats about it

[spice veldt]

other enemies weren't glowing either sometimes

[near wyvern]

wait until you see that you crit at times 500 against a crusher and at times 1k

feels like a bug to me

[summer prairie]

I mean I posted code above

[wary inlet]

either you hit them in the head and crit for 1200 or you hit them in the body and crit for 500 so I'd say its shit now

[potent echo]

it just picks a random body part

[summer prairie]

if it's being applied to surge, looks intentional

[spice veldt]

it'll be interesting to see how DD plays now that a marked enemy will glow properly all the time once i have time

[potent echo]

(but why)

[near wyvern]

jesus

so it's a total RNG staff now

RNG damage and RNG target

[wary inlet]

with zero way to communicate back to the player it hit a random spot. I doubt its intentional

[vestal fulcrum]

Woah. That's a Deimos.

[summer prairie]

it's in chain_lightning lua but not sure which one that is supposed to be

[near wyvern]

I think they intended it for smite but it ended up on the wrong thing

[frail sand]

great

[summer prairie]

does smite hit weakspots now

it does

[wary inlet]

well when they added gibbing it adopted the effects of bio lightning soooo I think there lightning code is just fucky

[spice veldt]

interesting

[summer prairie]

ok that code is for both, who knows what they intended

[glossy ember]

wtf

[spice veldt]

how frequently does it hit weakspots

[near wyvern]

yes smite hits weakspots as well

which means you can farm true aim with smite

[glossy ember]

for christ's sake

[spice veldt]

true aim fishing with smite?

[glossy ember]

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

[near wyvern]

I would say around 10% of the time but based on feeling not data

[foggy breach]

fatshark and their ostensibly good decision to recycle the code for smite and surge just keeps turning up sour

[near wyvern]

I guess true aim just became more important for sniper psykers aye? revolver smite might become a thing?

[wary inlet]

is brain burst hitting harder. 2 shotting maulers now

[near wyvern]

at least it's worth to try build something for it, there is theoretical potential at least

smite flame trauma might actually be a thing as well

smite to 5 stacks, max blast, repeat

at that point you can slap blazing spirit & rending shockwave on that baby

[acoustic seal]

So is surge staff still good or has it been hurt badly in all this?

[obtuse lake]

hurt badly

[wary inlet]

I'm going with throw it in the bin

[acoustic seal]

God damn.

Well I guess luckily I was working on a voidstrike.

[glossy ember]

so does that mean surge staff is fucking awful now if you hit a shitty spot

[orchid shadow]

You can definitely feel the difference. But I'm not going to stop using it.

[glossy ember]

[near wyvern]

it's usable with warp siphons but the limb damage makes it very unreliable against crushers, other than that if you build +unarmoured +flak and have 6 in the battery you are pretty much 2 shotting anything non-ogryn size.

except maulers

[acoustic seal]

Oh good my old one should still work then

[steel flame]

@near wyvern have you experienced void strike being unable to headshot maulers with rmb yet xP

[bleak tulip]

inb4 they make trauma only hit leg hitboxes next patch too

[summer prairie]

there's, what, 7 hit zones so 1/7 to hit head

[potent echo]

does it suffer from damage penalty when hitting limbs?

[wary inlet]

yes

[potent echo]

i mean for the rmb

[summer prairie]

but many enemies take less limb damage so basically a nerf

[potent echo]

not the lmb

wait really? wow

[wary inlet]

does seem hard to actually hit limbs on a lot of enemies though

[summer prairie]

surge/smite just randomize it

[late yew]

What weapons?

[ornate hamlet]

Is it still best to level my Psyker with Assail after this patch?

[late yew]

nice, i like it

[potent echo]

are all the hits randomised? iirc surge has some ticks before the main damage

[wary inlet]

I feel like warp siphon is making surge hit harder than it use to assuming it hits something good

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/gnome-bonk-south-park-gif-13024165

[late yew]

skill issue

[potent echo]

what possessed them to do this

[wary inlet]

whats this about a tail

[potent echo]

bonbon

[summer prairie]

had to justify surge having weakspot dmg as a perk

now you get value

without lmb

[spice veldt]

vet Columnus IAG Mk6 psword

[steel flame]

@late yew I love how saltygnome is still trying to gaslight us into thinking he's a dwarf

[potent echo]

"get value" yea sure but also lose value 5/7 of the time

[lunar hollow]

@spice veldt carnival map is fucking hell on sniper gauntlet vent purge

[spice veldt]

rip

[lunar hollow]

in a good way

[spice veldt]

o

[lunar hollow]

like the fights vs snipers are more dynamic

[potent echo]

masochist

[summer prairie]

maybe it is fine if they remove limbs and maybe some other ones

[lunar hollow]

the map is so good dude

[spice veldt]

cuz of the map layout?

[lunar hollow]

yeah

there's longer sightlines

[spice veldt]

it is pretty standout

[lunar hollow]

BUT

there's also cover

that u can use to advance on em

n stuff

and good alt routes

[summer prairie]

the new map finale seemed pretty spicy

[lunar hollow]

it's so fucking fun

the new map finale is banging on hi int+

[potent echo]

can you edit it and push it to main

[spice veldt]

the map finale tempts me topl play assail psyker with how many spread out shooters there are

[ornate hamlet]

omg omg new map 😮

[eager mantle]

Assail getting all the attention and brain burst just in the corner

[lunar hollow]

gunners at the end event can actually apply pressure

its insane

[potent echo]

where it belongs

[lunar hollow]

this has never happened before

[wary inlet]

brain burst seems to be hitting a little harder

[spice veldt]

what not having cover does to a mf

[lunar hollow]

also end event incentivizes being mobile

due to spawns

which is good

[late yew]

I bet you are scout main throws C4

[lunar hollow]

instead of planting ur ass and killing poxwalkers

[bitter escarp]

there's a whole bunch of really open town squares and the like

[spice veldt]

and not as claustrophobic as relay station

[bitter escarp]

if you run up against a company of gunners you're in for a bad time

it's a nice change but a lot of jogging

[ornate hamlet]

is assail still best for leveling

[spice veldt]

yeah I had the impression that the map was long

[bitter escarp]

no, it levels out the gyri and sulci in your brain if you use it too much

[eager mantle]

Considering it's fire and forget, yea. I'm still using it in auric damnation

[late yew]

Surge bug is not fixed?

[bitter escarp]

then you're faced with the judgement of your peers for hitting 30 and not having a grasp on game fundamentals

[late yew]

ah, it is

[eager mantle]

Patch notes says it should be

[wary inlet]

new patch, new bug?

[ornate hamlet]

cool stuff. I saw it got nerfed a bit

[eager mantle]

Inaccurate to say "still using it", I only started trying it when I hit 30

[ornate hamlet]

true
true
true
true
true
true
true
true

[eager mantle]

It was nerfed but it still does the job it's meant to do

[shadow quail]

smite triggering true aim is nice for void crit staff

[west stream]

Throwing a bunch of knives so i can save ammo on hordes and patrols that is

[eager mantle]

Oh yea

[late yew]

Wait what? Don't see it in patchnotes

[eager mantle]

Been playing gunpsyker more just to mix up play. Didn't realize the revolver and laspistol were so nice.

[late yew]

what exactly done to smite?

[shadow quail]

it hits weakspots now

[late yew]

oh, this was a bug lol

[potent echo]

also limbs 5/7 of the time

[wary inlet]

smite and surge staff hitting random spots has got to be a bug

[potent echo]

its literally in the code how is it a bug

[whole oxide]

all bugs are in the code

[tough obsidian]

WHY ISNT SURGE AND SMITE POPPING THINGS ANYMORE

[wary inlet]

if its intended then its not a bug

[near wyvern]

Yes

[bleak tulip]

comically deranged way to nerf surge

[tough obsidian]

THAT SHIT MAKES ME FEEL POWERFUL WHEN THEY POP

[potent echo]

#psyker-class message

[late yew]

new map is pretty cool

[tough obsidian]

NOW SURGE FEELS LIKE SHIT

[wary inlet]

there's nothing in the patch notes saying surge hits eveything now

[summer prairie]

not everything is in the notes

[potent echo]

read #psyker-class message

wrong reply

im destroyed

[late yew]

Why bodies don't explode from lightninfg anymore

reeeee

[summer prairie]

This is the whole change

[near wyvern]

I feel like they did this so you can get true aim procs with Surge staff (to both generate and consume instead of only consume) but they overlook the fact that a final crit on a limb does less damage than a normal final hit on a body

[late yew]

So it makes surge bad now?

[potent echo]

yea

[tough obsidian]

CRINGE

I WANNA POP HERETICS

[wary inlet]

they do its just less consistent now

[near wyvern]

Still tends to do two shots with 6 warp stacks against most thing but killing things like crushers and maulers take ages.

[potent echo]

two shot

against shotgunners? no way

[wary inlet]

oh so the last body part it hits is what explodes so sometimes only an arm will explode or nothing will explode

[near wyvern]

Yeah so it's a uniform chance to hit any body part and this is rolled for each damage tick

[near wyvern]

Correct

And the last tick is the majority of your damage

[kind jay]

i like dd

[near wyvern]

Need to give this one a go

Not at the computer at the moment so gotta wait for evening

[near wyvern]

Around there yeah based on the feel how many times it ends on a weakspot

[azure bridge]

wait so we're talking about the surge staff right? is this a bug or a new intended interaction?

[summer prairie]

well maybe more than that based on the valid_hit_zones list

[azure bridge]

I came late to this discussion

[near wyvern]

Stealth change

[wary inlet]

no idea

[near wyvern]

Surge and Smite now target body parts randomly

[azure bridge]

surge as well you say

[near wyvern]

#psyker-class message

[misty cypress]

Hi I’m new to psyker and I’m noticing it seems the class has greatest build potential in terms of variety compared to other classes, is that true or do y’all find that endgame you stick to 1 or two meta builds?

[near wyvern]

There are a lot of viable builds and a handful of meta builds

[bleak tulip]

I mean there is a few contenders for "meta" but there is a fair bit of variety and tons of viable stuff

[wary inlet]

so anybody else notice that our kinetic presence gives %5 more dam to elites meanwhile ranger vets one gives flat 5%

[near wyvern]

There was a bit more meta builds before this patch if you count abusing bugs a build

[unborn flicker]

Lua?

[summer prairie]

chain_lightning.lua

[unborn flicker]

Interesting

[potent echo]

is there a chance its another smite only change that affects surge for no reason

[misty cypress]

What would you suggest as weapons and a blitz for a solo build. Like when I’m quick playing and have to try to clutch becaause my teammates are new and all got downed

[late yew]

eh, it fits too well with smite, and smite without empowered psionics kinda sucks

[summer prairie]

it could definitely be intended for only one of them

[glossy ember]

should've been either torso or weakpoint not this shit, russian roulette staff

[late yew]

Also, 5 shots for Crusher is not bad

[potent echo]

is chain_lightning.lua used for both historically?

[late yew]

Mauler 4 shots

[bleak tulip]

the name of the lua sure explains why the bug existed in the first place if they both took from this

[summer prairie]

well yeah but that's what caused the EP bug too, them just using the same code

now they changed a bunch of things to chain_lightning_staff to differentiate

[potent echo]

oh no..

[glossy ember]

it's crazy they fix something and somehow mess up on the exact same thing

[bleak tulip]

kind of is when trauma and void need notably fewer

[glossy ember]

[potent echo]

this is just tech debt

[limber tartan]

Damn the new map is good

[azure bridge]

so out of curiosity is smite better still with warp charges or does this new limb targeting mechanic mean that empowered psionics is also just as viable in comparison?

[rare storm]

Oh shit the commissiary just got a expanded

[late yew]

They also charge for longer

[bleak tulip]

?

[late yew]

not sure which is better though

[unborn flicker]

Slowly turning into Destiny 2

[late yew]

faster*

[summer prairie]

"bug"

[unborn flicker]

Now we just need ways to deploy and fight shit without it being a mission

[unborn flicker]

How are you getting that

[summer prairie]

I've local repositories

[frail sand]

finally won new map on hi intensity

[late yew]

What is it?

[frail sand]

hi intensity was easier than normal damnation

[summer prairie]

warp rider

[unborn flicker]

How lol teach me sensei

[late yew]

Sounds like disaster

[late yew]

I also failed normal, but won auric

[summer prairie]

effort, you can wait for aussiemon to update

[unborn flicker]

Time for Darktide Crucible

[frail sand]

is it bugged? normal felt like god dam auric maelstrom on crack

[potent echo]

darktide pvp when

[frail sand]

but auric version ironically was chill

granted maybe because i was playing vet on normal and failed lul

[late yew]

I did not notice much difference too

But auric is played by more competent people

[rare storm]

Does anyone know if handcannon assail still works?

[late yew]

So that could be the reason

[summer prairie]

it doesn't

[frail sand]

might be yeah

[unborn flicker]

I wonder what the second update will be like

[late yew]

WWtf, that worked?

[rare storm]

Oh got patched?

[bleak tulip]

yeah it was the latest funny bug build

[rare storm]

ye

[potent echo]

now purgatus hits random body parts

[frail sand]

[unborn flicker]

Gross

[summer prairie]

would be good

[rare storm]

The rending effect applies to all assail shards

[summer prairie]

with true aim

[bleak tulip]

trauma only hits feetsies

[potent echo]

actually yes would be good

[potent echo]

noooooooooooo

[bleak tulip]

all non aim staves get nerfed

[unborn flicker]

I wouldn’t mind having to aim more if we got consistent feedback and dmg bonuses

[near wyvern]

Psykers scale better into late game, early game your best bet is Assail and any gun you can find, for late game I would go with Flame Trauma with Brain Rupture, Stun Shields and EP keystone. But that requires quite a specific weapon roll.

Voidstaff is also very usable for clutches but staves need big levels as they get penalties for low stats.

[bleak tulip]

[stuck bridge]

why did they change lightning gibbing it was cool

[bleak tulip]

it still gibs just not every time anymore

[late yew]

Lags

[unborn flicker]

Must be on center mass hit

[wary inlet]

depends on which hit box is the final hit

[stuck bridge]

[summer prairie]

maybe getting some syringe pickups finally

[stuck bridge]

how lame

[late yew]

Smite does not gib at all now though

[unborn flicker]

Aren’t those heretic syringes

[near wyvern]

I did my on first try, Psylot Gunker Damnation Hi-Int STG, was a ride 😅

[late yew]

So i can't even tell how fat i am killing enemies now

[potent echo]

is this

[rare storm]

Are you posting this for a reason or

[potent echo]

adrenaline or smth

[wary inlet]

well I was using surge to consistently blow up specials at close range. Back to void strike I guess

[potent echo]

new consumable?

[bleak tulip]

HEALING DRAUGHT HERE

[unborn flicker]

Eww

[summer prairie]

looks like a new consumable since there's one for ability, power and speed

[potent echo]

oh no

[unborn flicker]

Why tho

[potent echo]

potions are bak????

[wary inlet]

we can find out what class all the elf mains play now

[unborn flicker]

Oh vermintide

[uneven compass]

Incoming zealots taking all the speed potions and running far ahead

[unborn flicker]

Dude they already zoom with knives

[near wyvern]

Probably tied to the lore since in the new mission we are investigating boxes with stims.

[unborn flicker]

https://tenor.com/view/the-flash-barry-allen-run-fast-gif-6144593

[uneven compass]

Now they gonna zoom even more

[frail sand]

i should've just played psyker to start on new map, idk how to play new vet anymore

[unborn flicker]

Average knife zealot

[summer prairie]

maybe getting them in part 2

[kind jay]

just use knife/scrier

you can speed past them

[near wyvern]

Very plausible

[bleak tulip]

not much point adding it now otherwise I suppose

[potent echo]

ammo crate? no we got purple juice

[near wyvern]

AHH that sweet Demon nectar

[late yew]

green juice

[frail sand]

this new map actually sucks for the plasteel/time ratio though

[potent echo]

when abilities even benefit from the purple juice

[near wyvern]

The end event is horrifying

[frail sand]

some of the plasteel are so far away from normal path

yeah need to find a better hold spot

[summer prairie]

the new map end event with monster specialists should be something

[frail sand]

the default button location has surrounding spawn points

[near wyvern]

Dear god, and reduced ramp up time

[potent echo]

finally free, on my way to throw my first carnival game

[near wyvern]

If you are smart you will bring the bubble

[olive ember]

yikes warp rider nerf and surge staff bug fix

surge staff into the drain

[unborn flicker]

sigh

[bleak tulip]

have you even heard the news

its giga in the drain now

[potent echo]

theres only hi shock now, welp

[unborn flicker]

No more fun

Just pain

[frail sand]

bubble was so clutch

[late yew]

People been suggesting using flame shriek instead for horde clear with smite

[unborn flicker]

Bubble is the goat

[late yew]

I tried it

[frail sand]

there was so many gunners

[late yew]

holy shit people are crazy

[unborn flicker]

You’re missing out if you don’t run it

[late yew]

if they think little of wave clear is substitute for huge safety bubble rpovdies

[potent echo]

i'm bring purg

[frail sand]

whats not talked about much is also the bubble toughness regen if u take that

that shit helps too

[olive ember]

so are people actually saying surge staff is bad now

[unborn flicker]

It slaps

[near wyvern]

The warp rider nerf is a funny one. It's hard to notice on staff builds, makes managing peril a bit of a chore on Psylot since Assail LMB costs so little and you have fewer shards, it only really hurts two things:

• finding a good one shot mutant Deimos is a lot harder
• regular battery gunners got their break points fucked up

[unborn flicker]

I give it to meleeing teammates and it lets zealots really pop off

[olive ember]

eh I'd have to see just how many gunners there are but

seeing as when I play zealot I just run down 20 of em at a time

I don't see it being that big of an issue ngl

[versed hedge]

no~

[bleak tulip]

it randomly hits limbs now so that seems pretty bad to me

[crimson remnant]

change run n gun for warp nexus?

[bleak tulip]

yes

[olive ember]

lmao what

[crimson remnant]

ty

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

[unborn flicker]

Non projectiles now hit limbs as well as center mass

[frail sand]

the issue is the map is really open and not a lot of cover at points

[unborn flicker]

Does less dmg

[orchid shadow]

Wait, what? I didn't see that in the patch notes. 😦 Is that as bad as I think it is? Now you can't even reliably use a +damage type.

[versed hedge]

New bug, the damage is randomly reduced to half the normal level, and the reason is unclear

[bleak tulip]

thats what testing and the code look like

[willow hazel]

takes like twice as long to kill a crusher because the limb hits do half damage

unfortunately Crushers have 4 limbs but only 1 torso

[olive ember]

Mfw surge staff needed buffs and they went “haha let’s make it even more shit”

[ornate hamlet]

what were the guns that are best for leveling psyker? im using revolver currently

[unborn flicker]

💀

[olive ember]

Laspistol or vraks 3/ 7 iirc

[ornate hamlet]

cool

[unborn flicker]

Prolly that or laz pistol yeah

[bright mica]

oh huh update y today?

[unborn flicker]

Net negative for us

[broken pollen]

“Fixed issue where the Nomanus Mk VI Surge Force Staff received the ‘Smite’ Bonuses from ‘Empowered Psionics’.”
It’s over fellas. Surge staff is back to being useless…

[static needle]

Does voidstrike charge damage increase linearly with the amount of charge or do you get a special bonus when it's 100% vs 99% charged?

[ornate hamlet]

https://tenor.com/view/got-your-nose-gif-22000122

[willow hazel]

Surge would be fine if they didn't introduce the limb targetting thing

[olive ember]

Worse than useless they made surge staff able to hit limbs now, which does half damage when it does

[ornate hamlet]

my message to psionics surge

[olive ember]

Surge staff without bug was already bad

[bleak tulip]

pretty sure its linear

[olive ember]

Now what’s the point kekw

[willow hazel]

It was one of the best builds patch 13-14

[broken pollen]

Ig it’s back to purgatus staff. There’s no way they would nerf that one, r-right???

[static needle]

alright cause i regularly let go shots that arent fully charged

[summer prairie]

it doesn't only increase damage, but cleave as well

[olive ember]

It really wasn’t

People just thought it was

[static needle]

im guessing this is how u dead with hordes

how charged does it need to be for certain enemies?

[static needle]

disregarding crit damage

[willow hazel]

If the goal is doing damage and not taking damage, it was one of the besst

[olive ember]

And then they posted a scoreboard of sand bagging teammates and 600k damage and went “omg so much damage” without accounting for global power creep

[autumn grail]

I blame mods for that

[olive ember]

It’s considered the worse staff but honestly knowing fatshark who tf knows

[bleak tulip]

about 40% or a little less for trash works, probably less for crit, most specials you should probably get near full charge, half charge pretty reliably staggers most things in a pinch

[crude trout]

wat

[broken pollen]

Bro what is next on the nerf list even?? I’ve been avoiding voidstrike like the plague bc i feel like that one’s bound to get nerfed too

[autumn grail]

every one has fun there own way I guess.

[olive ember]

I just use every staff

And every class

[eager mantle]

I used surge staff with warp charges. It does fine, you don't need to be so hyperbolic

[orchid shadow]

groan I used Surge when it was just a low damage CC staff... I can.. still.. use it.. now.... Nooooooooo perfectly cut scream

[olive ember]

Surge staff does half the damage it did patch 13 and it’s fine sure

[crude trout]

ah no I was pertaining to the unlocalized "nil" string message I randomly found when I panned my camera to my left

[olive ember]

4 charge to kill crusher

Kekw

[autumn grail]

I have not tried that. I'll have to test that thanks for the tip.

[bleak tulip]

with a fun dice roll to see if you do half damage

[olive ember]

Don’t bother it’s what people ran in patch 13 before everyone started psionics abusikg

[willow hazel]

It got nerfed with the whole limb thing

[olive ember]

1/5 baby 1/5 to actually hit the body

[eager mantle]

Yea it does fine. Is it the most meta thing? No. But it does fine.

[olive ember]

4/5 to hit a limb

[autumn grail]

Can one not Aim said staff better?

[bleak tulip]

I wish 😔

[broken pollen]

yeah imagine losing your ability to reasonably clear gunner or mauler waves in auric HISTG5 games and then calling the same staff “fine” after it’s lost one of its only redeeming use cases now

[olive ember]

Idc if it does fine. You can do fine with the most trash setup in the game

I want it to be good

[unborn flicker]

It’s just smite in a stick now

[broken pollen]

This

[olive ember]

Except it only does damage to two enemies

Literally use a different staff if you want CC

[unborn flicker]

It’s shittier smite in a stick now

[bleak tulip]

full circle, surge CC staff once again

except it doesnt bounce as much as it used to

[autumn grail]

doesn't the Surge staff do More damage then Smite?

[bleak tulip]

I mean wet noodle does more damag than smite

[broken pollen]

The next patch will nerf the voidstrike i’m calling it now

[unborn flicker]

Barely enough to make it worth it it seems

[bleak tulip]

thats not really a high bar to clear

[autumn grail]

I guess its all about the crits?

[near wyvern]

Anyone know of a mod where I could have my screen borders glow or some shit when at 5 true aim stacks?

[round tapir]

clicked on the wrong channel XD

[broken pollen]

We’ll get to a point where all the staves are just CC only weapons and we’ll be funneled back into voring ammo like the other classes

[unborn flicker]

Alright lads time to run some other staff, which is best now?

[frail sand]

columnus v

[bleak tulip]

I use better buffs to show it close to my crosshair but that ones apparently a bit crungled right now

[olive ember]

Voidstrike or blaze trauma

Which has been best since patch 13

[unborn flicker]

Trauma is disgusting

[near wyvern]

Alright, thanks, waiting for that to update then

[eager mantle]

Reject magic, return to lead

[unborn flicker]

It pushes enemies behind me

[near wyvern]

You are using it wrong then

[unborn flicker]

Lead requires ammo, gross

[frail sand]

trauma should trauma yourself imo

[autumn grail]

Trauma sems to work good in close quarters. Void doesn't one shot stuff unless you fully charge it but staggers good.

[unborn flicker]

It builds peril too fast as well

[near wyvern]

Some problems are solved only with brute force, not mind games

[broken pollen]

There is no real choice anymore is there. I mean remember back when gunpsyker was a fucking MEME build???

[eager mantle]

2 shotting crushers with a revolver is fun though

[unborn flicker]

I’m going to say something controversial here

[hoary halo]

Assail feels so weak now.

[autumn grail]

Grenades Push enemys behind people.

[near wyvern]

That's only a good thing. Mo peril mo toughness mo damaq.

[willow hazel]

Comparing my own scoreboards on patch 14, Warp Siphon Surge was my 3rd highest damage Psyker build only behind EP Surge and Handcannon Assail

[unborn flicker]

Trauma is just shittier voidstrike

😎

[summer prairie]

scrier's gaze may now be applying the finesse damage properly, I haven't used it much not sure how it behaved previously

[eager mantle]

Running gunpsyker this past 2 weeks just to mixup my play, kinda fun

[autumn grail]

they only made it 3 seconds to regen a shard did they drop the damage too?

[bleak tulip]

[broken pollen]

You’ll see, after trauma and voidstrike get the hit next all you’ll be able to run on auric is gunpsyker. We’ll just be a spicier vet

[olive ember]

don't think so no

[unborn flicker]

Voidstrike is superior homie

[plucky flax]

So tru pls buff trauma

[bleak tulip]

they dont even do the same thing

[near wyvern]

No, it feels week because they removed the flat +10% damage buff from Warp Rider and now it's pain in the ass to keep peril up with LMB for it

[frail sand]

pls buff blazing spirit force swords

[eager mantle]

With a much fancier sword

[willow hazel]

Gun Psyker got nerfed unfortunately

[bleak tulip]

yeah blazing is pretty weak

[unborn flicker]

Trauma is like a nerfed grenade launcher while voidstrike is a chad rocket launcher

[autumn grail]

Trauma Staff can stagger and clear more enemy's at a time and knock down unyielding like Ogrryens.

[bleak tulip]

have you seen my name

[near wyvern]

Yup. Breakpoints are fucked now because of the Warp Rider change.

[plucky flax]

Yep so weak I need my blazing spirit 4 on my blaze trauma.

[autumn grail]

perhaps FS is trying to do away with Break points? it feels liek it to me anyway.

[unborn flicker]

Voidstrike can clear a shit ton of people and knock down unyielding enemies

[willow hazel]

Which gun?

[broken pollen]

At least psyker didn’t get nerfed nearly as bad as vet did

[native gyro]

Things to be more on fire.

[eager mantle]

I absolutely hate how much I'm loving the dueling sword right now and how much it clashes with the cape shirt for psyker