psyker-class

[frigid zenith]

Also unless they've changed it, that 15 second timer in PER MOB not per brainburst, you can BB each mob every 15 seconds. It used to be 10 seconds.

[bitter escarp]

have played whole games with uncanny/rampage duelling sword, index finger got a workout but it was great fun

[frigid zenith]

Would have to test how many full charged shots you can get off before having to quell, If you're losing 2 full shots becasue of the low warp resistance it ain't worth it.

It's also possible that the maxed charge rate and quell speed make up for that.

[summer prairie]

I don't think there's any weapon that loses more than one full charge shot due to WR in that range. You may not even lose a single one on some weapons

also not sure if that's actually a meaningful metric

[frigid zenith]

Yeah, I'm just not sure.

simple to test though.

[viscid fox]

monstrositys are like the bosses right? like plauge ogly etc

[vestal fulcrum]

It's definitely not per mob, the cooldown icon appears as soon as it procs

[onyx sentinel]

this toothpick doesn't oneshot shotgunners

how many finesse do I need to do that

[vestal fulcrum]

Besides, the effect is so minuscule I would rather cast a brainburst myself, rather than rely on a random chance to proc it

[frigid zenith]

Then they changed it, it was 100% per mob last time I played. I still see it mercing crushers enough for it to be worth it to me. I take transfer peril so I can dip to more damage in the tree instead of peril management.

[summer prairie]

it's the same as before, 10% chance per hit and once it triggers it's on cd for 15 seconds

[frigid zenith]

Welp, your before may not be my before.

[summer prairie]

the same as since the release

[vestal fulcrum]

I don't remember it ever having a per-mob cooldown

[ionic needle]

Me neither, and I used to run it when I was a Shredder Psyker pre patch 13

[vestal fulcrum]

It's a bad feat currently, regardless

[summer prairie]

it doens't, there's even an icon when it's on cooldown and that wouldn't make sense if it was per mob

[ionic needle]

Kind of miss my Shredder tbh

[summer prairie]

the only thing that has really changed is that it benefits from theEP damage buff

[near wyvern]

And even that doesn't make it good

It needs a buff

[frigid zenith]

At the start of the game there was a giant post about it being per mob because we were deleting entire hordes with it, you'd get a bunch of brain burts with one shot of void strike, maybe it was bugged back then but I do remember that.

[summer prairie]

I don't remember, but maybe

[vestal fulcrum]

I don't either, but then, I wasn't playing Psyker at release

[frigid zenith]

simple way to test it's really, it's also been apart of one of my highest damaging builds, I'll see what happens without it.

It's all I played. Went from surge staff to purge staff then found void with kinetic flayer deleting eveything and ran that until I stopped playing.

[fading iris]

kill dregs with melee "hm... know what, let me try something different just for fun rerolls to kill scabs with melee

[sullen bobcat]

I'm fairly sure that random brain burst thing is a cooldown after it gets proc'd

[summer prairie]

well technically if you trigger is every ~20 seconds for the whole mission duration it's not an unsignificant increase in damage but it's not very useful damage

[frigid zenith]

At the end of the day, do what you enjoy, play what's fun as long as you're not a hinderance to your team.

[sullen bobcat]

There's also a fun thing where a brain burst can also trigger the random brain burst

[sullen bobcat]

Random brain bursts are really good with purge especially with the high RoF

[frigid zenith]

The higher level missions you're playing on the greater the chance it's going to trigger on things that matter.

[summer prairie]

it should be very bad with purg because it's almost always going to proc on some low hp target. I think it can't trigger if your base damage kills the target so with some weapons you've at least some control over it

with purg you are just buffing your overkill stat

[devout moon]

So I was doing some testing with Warp charges, and is it bugged with Surge staff? Because I am literally doing LESS damage with all 6 than I was with EP

[frigid zenith]

for my experience, purge hasn't performed well in AMs.

[silk hawk]

Compared to other horde clearing options like assail or aoe staves - its awful...mk2 on other hand is pretty good with rampage.

[ionic needle]

That's probably because surge is bugged with EP

[frigid zenith]

If you're using a mk4 to deal with hordes, yeah, something else is wrong.

[devout moon]

No shit? Lmao, the surge staff gets it's bonuses?

[ionic needle]

Yes

It gets the damage bonus from EP without expending charges

[silk hawk]

Bcuz ep buffs surge dmg by 125%, so u are not doing less, u are abusing bug with ep

[devout moon]

In my defense, I didn't know about that bug until now

I was using EP primarily to make smite more fun

[silk hawk]

Well, is been like what 3 weeks now? At that point fs probably should make it intended xD

[pliant sandal]

I was doing some testing with wildfire last night and I feel like it's bugged? No where near the right amount of soulblaze stacks are transferring to nearby targets.

[silk hawk]

Idk if it's bugged or not, but its shit dps for sure...

[pliant sandal]

I was using purg to build stacks on a poxwalker and then let it die off of soulblaze. (Damnation)

It triggered wildfire on the other ones near it but was ticking for laughably low amounts... like 2/sec

[silent coral]

does surge staff do good boss damage?

[devout moon]

Fromy me experience, even with the EP bug, not really

[silent coral]

welll thats not good, i went assail since i need horde solution and so not i cant to much vs bosses i guess....

[ionic needle]

If your build does bad boss damage your job is to keep the boss clear from other shit while your team fights it

[fading iris]

"It's a feature or a bug?" "yes"

[devout moon]

I think Trauma and voidstrike are for bosses

[pliant sandal]

I don't think psyker has a proper boss nuke build anymore since voidstrike nerf...

Focus on specials and hordes

[devout moon]

Zealots and vets are proper boss killers

[whole oxide]

that's not how you're supposed to use wildfire

[frail sand]

whew ventilation purge with snipers is so cursed

[fading iris]

First heresy mission of the day... someone hugs the deamonhost in the middle of a horde with crushers

sad part is that the person that did said sorry and another teammate responds "bro, third time I'm doing a mission with you"

[left mirage]

kek

emperor sent me a decent surge

thanks big E

[fading iris]

nice charge rate

[left mirage]

emperor protects

also, feast your eyes on this laspistol

the scope actually fuckin works

its incredibly scuffed

[ornate hamlet]

tips for my talents:

[left mirage]

i see you are levelling psyker

i recommend grabbing assail

and both of the subnodes

[ornate hamlet]

why assail

i got smite

[left mirage]

assail makes it faster

smite is more for cc

assail is pure killing

[near wyvern]

Smite only gets good at higher levels and at higher difficulties

[left mirage]

once you get more points then you can hit up the atheneum for suggestions

its linked in the pins

id recommend this to start off

[near wyvern]

@ornate hamlet try this, use guns until you get to lvl 25+

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/charlie-day-gif-18564553

[glossy ember]

Wouldn't Mind in Motion not be great to level with? might not teach good habits

[lapis linden]

which psyker staff would you think is the best one in this patch?

[ornate hamlet]

cool thanks. yeah i do no damage with smite

[ornate hamlet]

isnt gun better at 25+ too

[left mirage]

gunpsyker is ok

[near wyvern]

You unfortunately need it to access creeping flames from ass sails

[left mirage]

i cant stop using it because it feels like some weird mix of zealot's speed and veteran's ranged damge

[near wyvern]

Not better, a couple serve a different role than staves and some fall out completely

Gun trades CC damage

[ornate hamlet]

ah ok

[sonic coral]

this is the worst thing I've ever seen

[near wyvern]

At high level you need both so it's more what your team has or needs when you can consider something better, then there are a couple staff builders where you can't do wrong no matter what your team is

[glossy ember]

ah man that's ass indeed

i'd just let newbies go BB at this point

mind in motion might screw em over later

or they'll get addicted

like me

[ornate hamlet]

when should i press right click with assail?

[fading iris]

when you want to aim at something with a guided line

[ornate hamlet]

does it do more damage?

[sonic coral]

like 50 more base damage

[fading iris]

LMB shard go crazy, RMB go straight to the target

[ornate hamlet]

ah so for bosses right click

[fading iris]

and for targets that are far

someone screams "SNIPER" you aim and click heads

[sonic coral]

the only way I've found assail to be useful for bosses is with laspistol + dumdum and the vent + flame

throw a million haphazard brain knives at them, vent onto them, blast with dumdum (+infernus if you're inclined) until you're more or less cooled down, swap back to knives

[fading iris]

has the same feature as BB

[sonic coral]

but yea RMB is for sniping specific targets, I find often it will still take 2 shards sometimes 3 though

[static needle]

Any tips for the talent tree for this build?

[fading iris]

for bosses I normally go for weakspot duelling sword or fast shield break

[sonic coral]

yea dueling sword is more reliable, it's pretty safe too if you have the peril block node

[near wyvern]

When you need to kill a sniper and when you need to kill a gunner/trapper/bomber and you are low on shards

[ornate hamlet]

ah ok gotcha

[sonic coral]

I may be wrong on this but it feels like RMB bumps peril way faster than LMB

[fading iris]

you will cicle your weapons and you will like it!

assail, ranged, melee, +++repeat+++

[idle bay]

It's unbearable to wait when they told us about new level which most likely also will have some serious patch in tow.

[vagrant frigate]

swag messiah

[fading iris]

oh and don't forget to put some cheers voice line while doing the cicle

[sonic coral]

this is what I run alongside laspistol +dumdum +infernus and Mk 4 dueling sword +uncanny +riposte

works well on auric dams, and even when you get an ammo hog and no vet you can lean a little harder on assail if you have to

I'll admit not having access to the cooldown on elite kill node is a bit of a bummer but it's usually not an issue

since neither primaries are warp, dropping peril thru passive quell is easy, and equally easy to bump it back up with assail

[ionic needle]

Is it worth going with the fire node for shriek when you're probably stay in low peril quite a lot?

You'll*

[sonic coral]

if you habitually stay in low peril then no it's not worth it, but why would you do that silly

[ionic needle]

Because with laspistol and mk 4 your only source of peril is assail and blocking?

[summer prairie]

and laspistol special

[ionic needle]

Really? I had no idea

[frail sand]

i feel insulted by this emperor's gift from auric maelstrom

[sonic coral]

You're constantly farming random shooters and etc. along the patch with assail for the +crit stuff in bottom right nodes, and worst case you keep it high by throwing knives into the wall if you have to - but, on auric dam, you really do not have much downtime

[summer prairie]

it's 10 peril per use

a bit slow if you have to start from 0

[sonic coral]

You'll drain peril effectively, but it's easy to keep it high

You run out of peril overhead before you run out of knives

[frail sand]

like, what kind of AM reward is a 301 base rating weapon

[sonic coral]

and by the time it's quelled they've regen'd, generally

[ornate hamlet]

just had a dude flame me for playing assail psyker, complaining that he feels useless

first negative experience in this game lmao

[near wyvern]

You are wrong. RMB is 5.5 seconds for 85+% peril while LMB is 4.4 seconds.

[ornate hamlet]

you guys ever got flamed for playing assail?

[frail sand]

i dont play assail

[sonic coral]

neat, alright

[fading iris]

nope

[ionic needle]

No. What difficulty are you on?

[ornate hamlet]

fair, I'm mostly playing it to fulfill contracts like "kill 1000 dregs with ranged"

[frail sand]

do ppl really care that much about what you bring

[sonic coral]

some people do

[ornate hamlet]

heresy/malice

[frail sand]

your teammates' kills also count btw

[ionic needle]

Yeah that makes sense

[ornate hamlet]

it was crazy because he said I'm not a team player meanwhile he's a gun ogryn

[fading iris]

People barely talk in my region

[sonic coral]

I was in a match with 3 zealots and the first thing I heard in the lobby over voice was "you're coming into auric dam at THAT level, with the WORST club?" or something

[frail sand]

this is the certified malice/heresy clowning experience

[near wyvern]

I just played an Auric damnation Hi int STG where a veteran rage quit because I was playing Paylot (assail gun weave) and there was an other Psyker abusing EP Surge buff.

[frail sand]

AM you get mostly the stealth knife zealots

[ionic needle]

On malice/heresy people seem to be more flamey and assail is probably very strong on those difficulties as well

[frail sand]

on malice/heresy assail can kill everything

[ornate hamlet]

I don't understand people, it's a team game, wouldn't you WANT your teammates to be effective?

[near wyvern]

Funnily the Psyker rage quit as well during the end event after blowing up 3 times but we got it done without him.

[idle bay]

Did you saved vet's rant in the chat before he ragequitted ?: )

[ornate hamlet]

it would be like me crying because zealot one shot a boss

being effective is to everyones benefit lmao

[near wyvern]

Did not :/ should have clipped it, mistakes were made

[sonic coral]

I'll admit people knowingly abusing ep surge annoys me but it's whatever. at least I still get my plasteel and dockets. a lot of the time I see them end up going down repeatedly anyway, so... exploits or not, great weapons or crap ones, some people are just good and some people are just bad

[ionic needle]

I can imagine it's kinda boring running a level barely getting any kills because some space wizard is throwing blue rocks at everything haha

[idle bay]

I still can't comprehend why people are so pissed of Assail ? 🙂

[frail sand]

what's ur lowest emperor gift's rolls?

[fading iris]

I'm a good sibling, I play surge but don't use EP, HEADPET ME OR MY BELOVED WILL BONK YOU

and speaking of "my beloved", my character started to sound more sane than crazy, it's weird

[visual adder]

Beloved doesn’t exist

[fading iris]

or genius since doing missions make you use more of your habilities thus gaining more control

[visual adder]

Habilites

[fading iris]

Are you saying that the Emperor doesn't exist?

[visual adder]

Yes

[glossy ember]

would you rather take an EP surge, or a scrier's gaze surge

[ornate hamlet]

im all for new players learning the game... but im leveling in malice and people can't even hit stationary targets. Like literally a zombie is standing still and they can't kill it

why queue malice if you can't hit basic enemies

[fading iris]

I have the foreign pass, I can type like a Ogryn if I like

[frail sand]

malice is like a good "default" difficulty

[ornate hamlet]

once I die everyone falls like dominoes

[frail sand]

don't die ez

[visual adder]

I also foreign, no excuse

[ornate hamlet]

i just died 3 times in a row on malice, this difficulty isn't for them

[fading iris]

well, for some reason I read "habilites" like Cartman says "authorita!"

[visual adder]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-lol-laughing-funny-gif-8001818611107339181

[frail sand]

honestly, just expect to have to carry in pub games

[ionic needle]

This is heresy talk right here

[visual adder]

So

[ornate hamlet]

thing is, I am. I even solo the fucking bosses. They can't even target the boss at 2% HP I swear. One time the boss sat at 2% HP and they all just ran like chickens with their heads off not attacking it until I had to kill it

infuriating

its BASIC common sense

its not about being new

[frail sand]

welcome to darktide pubs

[ornate hamlet]

they should not be queuing malice. NO way

[frail sand]

I want to claim that auric teammates are usually better, but I cannot make that claim as it might be false

[fading iris]

I know Cäse's plan, he isn't doing Heresy, he is testing the inquisition time to respond so he can report back how good or bad the new recruits are

[ornate hamlet]

does console have aim assist?

[fading iris]

even more after the Mara Vinci incident

[ornate hamlet]

this console player

couldn't hit enemies who weren't aggrod- juist standing still

[frail sand]

sounds like authentic malice

[fading iris]

malice is the hub for "oh the first tier was too easy, for my second mission let me crank right into tier 3"

[sonic coral]

oh lord

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/pill-red-sibarita-matrix-sibaritadevandal-gif-22169882

[frigid zenith]

There needs to be a player rating system.

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/man-running-out-of-restaurant-man-eating-man-eating-and-running-cartoon-eating-cartoon-man-running-gif-24721662

[rare storm]

Hello siblings how has the purging of heretics been

[fading iris]

for that the scoreboard needs to be a vanilla thing

[frigid zenith]

For sure, the scoreboard doesn't tell the entire story though.

[frail sand]

i got purged in AM a couple of times

[rare storm]

Damn

You have not praised the emperor enough

[frail sand]

the emperor gave me a 301 base rating gift

i dont think the emperor likes me very much

[rare storm]

He has no favourites

SUPPOSEDLY

[frail sand]

this gift is certainly something

[rare storm]

You can get purples from AM?

LOL

[frail sand]

a shit purple yeah

with T2 perks and blessings

[rare storm]

Bricked before it even saw the light

You know what this means sibling

Give in to the warp

[fading iris]

no, but is a good start, because what a player rating system would be now? Doesn't go alone that much, doesn't get down or die, doesn't hug the daemonhost in a bad moment? What if the person go alone because of the high addiction to plasteel but the group is trying to speedrun without loot anything

[frail sand]

alright, another lobby, another stealth knife zealot, lets see how this zealot is

[ornate hamlet]

im the plasteel lover

half the game im alone because my teamates dont bother

[fading iris]

If the player doesn't flame for example in my region, for some crazy weird reason the players are chill, so that rating would be always meh, okay I guess

and yes "por example" where my two languages clashing in my brain while typing

[restive slate]

Urgent question, my game crashes everytime someone leaves the match.

Why?

[fading iris]

reparing the game doesn't fix it? any error pop-up?

[restive slate]

Just the usual, unexpected crash, send report? That thing

[fading iris]

check #🎒support-issues

[restive slate]

Alrighty

[ornate hamlet]

have u tried validating game filed

[near wyvern]

Cause it still does way too much for how easy it is to use

[rose dagger]

too spamable

[ornate hamlet]

assail needs another nerf

brainless and busted

all it needs is a cooldown nerd

nerf

🤓

[fading iris]

[limber tartan]

When i tried using assail i saw some of those shards straight up bounce off some unarmored heads and fly of into space not doing anything else

[hearty oak]

I feel like the psyker needs more choices in clothing. I need these leathers though

[fading iris]

What needs a nerf is the plasteel requirements

[limber tartan]

I think this whole coat would look better without the iron pauldrons

Or just different pauldrons entirely

[frail sand]

i legit dont know what to bring as psyker for AM pubs

[limber tartan]

A gun

[fading iris]

Psyker drip from the neck above is always kinda wack

[frail sand]

if i bring support some teammates dont kill things

if i bring gunker the team suddenly has no CC

[limber tartan]

Sadly i missed that hat with a feather soo im waiting for it to appear again

Just bring smite then

I run a laspistol with smite

[frail sand]

how do u combat ammo issues

[limber tartan]

I have cc and i have better version of assail because it actually kills

I aim

[hearty oak]

I like this as well. Just not the gold version of it. The gold shit on the psyker is just bleh

[hearty oak]

A veteran with an ammo aura

[limber tartan]

Yea that scavenger aura on vet is a must

the rest are just bad

[frail sand]

i cant magically pick my teammates aura unfortunately

i should just find a different lobby if they have a weird aura

[hearty oak]

I know and people say they take the auras for builds when they still run out of ammo

[limber tartan]

There is using your gun and then there is wasting ammo

[hearty oak]

Yes. BM the lobby before leaving too just cause

[west stream]

Wish we got a proper trench coat for psyker with enforcer markings

[hearty oak]

psyker with a colum mk 5 shreds specials just as well as a voidstrike with the benefit of melting bosses

[west stream]

For full psycop look

[limber tartan]

The death korps psyker looks pretty good actually

unlike the veteran one cough

[fading iris]

it's what I run on mine

my psyker likes his Beloved and shovels

[hearty oak]

"I just know, im an empath"

[west stream]

I love the Korps.

A day in the Korps is like a day in the vat
Every corpsestarch ration a feast
Every allowance a fortune
Every suicide charge a chance at penance

[ashen sky]

If anyone’s free and willing I need two people to help with the Malleum Monstronum penance

[fading iris]

and I think my scavenger is broken, isn't counting for the "resupply allies"

[limber tartan]

My last auric damnation run on smite, laspistol,scrier's gaze, disrupt destiny, im still perfecting my playstyle and still lack in accuracy but it's totaly viable

Also yea laspistol just shreds bosses

[hearty oak]

huh. I never noticed this

[fading iris]

feature

[frank moat]

Ain’t released yet innit

[hearty oak]

Not for another 6 months

[frank moat]

But yea lots of commissary and penance gear just begging to be released

[sick veldt]

gun psyker with scrier's gaze + lazpistol is the strongest I've ever felt playing psyker and i'm not using a staff or my blitz 😂

[hearty oak]

Its incredibly strong. Only thing lacking is the wave clearing

[frank moat]

Vet has radio headset themed headgear listed for commissary and Psyker has loads of those metal visors

[sick veldt]

never even got close to highest boss damage on psyker in the past running force sword and surge staff, usually was the lowest, and now i'm getting it consistently just hosing bosses with the las pistol with Scrier's up

[frank moat]

Forget what Zealot has, and I think Ogryn’s commissary headgears are invisible right now iirc

[hearty oak]

They are

[limber tartan]

Laspistol actually has pretty decent wave clear thb since it penetrates a couple of targets

[frail sand]

ohhh this vet is running the +3% dmg aura

[hearty oak]

Cant see the anniversary armor coming though

[limber tartan]

you just launch scrier's adn unload into the crowd ad head height, granted its gonna cost some ammo

[sick veldt]

I'm trying to craft up a solid dueling sword for hordes but in the meantime I've actually found the deimos with unstable power to be really solid with scrier's gaze. Because you pop scrier's gaze which gets unstable power going, and then if you don't manually quell once peril maxes out and just keep slashing away, it takes a while for that peril to decay so you get even more unstable power value

[frank moat]

Yea they’ve said the anniversary armour will be distributed via DLC pack like the deluxe edition gear, so no sneak previews

[hearty oak]

True, i just prefer the swings of a good chainsword. Can never go wrong with rampage/sweep

[limber tartan]

Im only thinking about replacing +25% against flak with +5% crit since im already benefiting from permament 15 dd stacks

[frank moat]

Actually, can the deluxe edition gear be seen with Check All Cosmetics by players who don’t own the pack?

[sick veldt]

is a psyker "fire build" viable? like a purgatus with all the soulblaze perks?

[sick veldt]

yeah I have a few with solid base stats, just need to grind up enough plasteel to get some blessings on 'em

[hearty oak]

[sick veldt]

i've been talking to my friends about doing a couple runs where all 4 of us are either purgatus pskyers or flamer zealots

for maximum Fire

[hearty oak]

Yes. Kind of

[limber tartan]

Hey btw does "only scab" condition mean that there is no ammo pickups ?

[sick veldt]

i think it tells you in the mission description if there's no ammo pickups

[limber tartan]

Alright

[sick veldt]

I think I'm using surge staff wrong... I've got one with good all-around base stats (everything above 73 except warp res which is 62), warp nexus 4 and warp flurry 3, and I am consistently getting lowest damage dealt on the team. and that's even with me (accidentally) abusing the empowered psionics bug!

(i have been running EP on this build and only found about about the EP+surge staff bug yesterday lol)

maybe i shouldn't be spamming it on hordes as much but it do be blowing people up. Unfortunately only tickles bosses of course

[gentle hill]

is that an available chest or unreleased?

looks niiiice

[glossy ember]

when a boss pops just kill elites/specials around it with surge, if none then melee, if BoN then melee but be careful.

[hearty oak]

Yeah. premium content or penance stuff the devs are holding us out of

[sick veldt]

I hate BoN 😭

though I recently learned that dome shield completely fucks it up

[gentle hill]

GOD DAMMIT

[glossy ember]

yeah dome makes it free as fuck

[sick veldt]

blocks the goo from both directions and tops it from shitting it on the ground

though on my surge staff build I usually run venting shriek because I am not good at not exploding w/ the surge staff 😭
I run shield on my trauma build

[hearty oak]

bruh whatchu mean. Gun psyker with a colum mk 5 is like salt on a slug

[glossy ember]

I've been playing surge staff (scrier or shield) and usually get the higher damage on scoreboard. Are you targeting all gunners/elites/specials with it?

Might be a case of teammates killstealing too brw

[sick veldt]

oh I was talking about with my surge staff build, i've been trying to make surge staff work because I like it

yeah when i'm running laspistol + scrier's gaze all bosses are free, especially beast of nurgle. unless it's in a hallway

[glossy ember]

if you don't want to get killstolen, blitz cancel

[hearty oak]

ahh nvm then

[sick veldt]

I am but I'm also just sort of spamming it into hordes of poxwalkers, when I should probably just be choppin' them up. I run unstable power on force sword so maybe I should just spam surge staff on an incoming horde 2-4 times to get my peril near 100% and then switch to melee

[glossy ember]

Using it on hordes is meh but it's fine if you wanna help a teammate from afar, or you use it to close on a horde before switching to melee when in reach

[sick veldt]

i've also been running deflector on deimos and while it does save my ass completely sometimes I have wondered if I should swap it for slaughter or uncanny

[glossy ember]

If you wanna get to high peril fast just empower your sword multiple times

but really, blitz cancel help a ton with damage on elites

teammates can't steal your kills

[sick veldt]

sorry what's blitz cancel?

[glossy ember]

switch to blitz after releasing rmb

then back to staff

[sick veldt]

I've been playing vet almost exclusively since the class overhaul and just started running my psyker again a few days ago so I don't know all the "tech"

does that interrupt warp flurry?

[glossy ember]

#psyker-class message

[pale crescent]

Found a training sword

[glossy ember]

it doesn't interrupt warp flurry

[sick veldt]

oh my

[glossy ember]

saves almost 20 frames or so

and you get to the last tick (damage spike) instantly

[sick veldt]

so basically just charge up the surge staff, tap left click to do the shock, and then immediately swap to blitz?

[glossy ember]

yeah

just careful tho sometimes blitz glitches out and you won't go back to staff, you see me quell with blitz in this clip

happens often

a bit annoying

using shriek or shield also cancels too

not scrier unfortunately

[feral knoll]

So. Is venting shriek basically meant to be a panic button? Or do you all you it a bit more offensively

[sick veldt]

you can use it offensively but I mostly use it as a panic button when I'm running it

[feral knoll]

Because I’m not sure how I feel about it and kind of wanted to switch to dome shield

[sick veldt]

you can also just use it when you're about to overload as less of a panic button and more as a way to keep running your staff abit without having to quell

but the shields can also come in super clutch

[glossy ember]

shriek is a horde killing button

[west stream]

Doom mode

[sick veldt]

it can make for an easy res on someone who's downed and surrounded too

[feral knoll]

I’ve been trying Purg with bb and yah. Shriek just isn’t doing it for me

I get it. But I just don’t feel it

[heavy shuttle]

you cant overload with the chain lightning?

[ornate hamlet]

Since general chat is smelling like Disney and doesnt like being helpfull, what do i need to know about Maelstrom and Auric before diving into em with my Psyker? the game doesnt explain these 2 new modes

[limber tartan]

You can overload with smite

It's just hard

[mortal breach]

I play the support role in my group so I run Dome/smite and surge. I'm still fighting with myself on which keystone I need to run. So far warp siphon means I can have a dome running near constantly, but something feels like it's missing

[glossy ember]

lots and lots and lots and lots of specials and elites

[ornate hamlet]

Okay so a really tough challenge eh?

[glossy ember]

ye

[limber tartan]

More liek chaotic

Get it ?

[heavy shuttle]

my number hits 100 and drops back to 80 using my ability idk if it was a glitch

[glossy ember]

you gonna need good awarenesss

||unless you play ogryn ||

[ornate hamlet]

I run EP on my smite/dome. Not sure if its the best option but i like it when the smite gets buffed up and its actually helping the horde clearing quite a bit more, though i also use it with the 12.5% chance

Ogryn sees all, remembers none

[glossy ember]

what's your build looking like

[feral knoll]

He forgor

[frail spear]

I'm curious too. I also run smite/dome

[mortal breach]

I'm on moving right now but I'll build it one sec

[frail sand]

this is pain

the moment i join this ongoing AM with gunker the single vet on the team isnt running survivalist

i killed like 7 weakened bosses i have no more ammo what more can i do

this run was cursed from the very start

[fading iris]

Just finished a mission that my psyker and the other psyker flirt with eachother all the time.

[frail sand]

[heavy shuttle]

[frail spear]

[frail sand]

pub AM is like one difficulty lvl higher than its designed difficulty lmfao

[fading iris]

the first voice line caught me off-guard, by the fourth I was like "wait a second... what is happening here"

[glossy ember]

I'd go for the CDR aura for a real support psyker

[frank moat]

Which personalities flirt?

[mortal breach]

With my surge staff I have 44% base Crit chance

[static needle]

Should i get replace warp nexus with transfer peril? id like to hear some different perspectives

[glossy ember]

as well as take mettle instead of uhh

the one that gives toughness on built peril

[frail sand]

warp nexus for crit chance for synergy with surge

[frank moat]

If you’re running Surge I’d say Nexus is ideal

[glossy ember]

also get that 6 warp stacks node

[frail sand]

surge only procs on crit no?

[glossy ember]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914150363844779/1172267564412444723/image.png?ex=655fb23f&is=654d3d3f&hm=5622aa904d419e4ea8cc59e32d104fde34dfa270e60d366cac8a137691a8880d& something like this

but you can replace PC with battle meditation

[frail sand]

you could also get rid of the 10% smite dmg debuff for kinetic deflection if u want

[mortal breach]

In your opinion, do you think we get to 6 stacks of charges often enough to warrant the last keystone mod? I feel like it's better spent on the top of the tree where it's near constantly being put to use

[frail sand]

i need to stop playing pub AMs, it's not helping my plasteel and dockets situation

[glossy ember]

Yeah you build warp charges fast enough to get back to 6 in a jiffy tbh

[feral knoll]

Was running BB with Shriek but didn’t like shriek. Going for dome now. Not sure what staff I want to try with it. Thoughts though?

[potent echo]

i always build without 6 stacks, but usually I can get more than 4 stacks between creeping flames

[static needle]

some other guy told me that this is a faulty notion tho since transfer peril negates the need for warp nexus entirely and helps with horde clear

[frail sand]

then wtf are u having surge for...?

[potent echo]

flurry transfer is goat

[frail sand]

if u cant proc surge u might as well warp flurry / transfer

[static needle]

Dude, again, i dont know if thats entirely true, i want yall other's perspective

[potent echo]

nexus surge is too slow for me

[frail sand]

the whole point of nexus/surge is to enable surge no?

[glossy ember]

I'd drop a toughness damage reduction and wildfire or kinetic flayer to get warp rider tbh

[static needle]

how about warp flurry + surge?

[glossy ember]

embrace full crit with surge, warp nexus and crit rate perk

[frail sand]

you can't proc surge reliably without that crit chance

[mortal breach]

When my group really gets going on damnation, I find I'm constantly popping my dome to cover us we deal with hordes, but I typically don't find myself begging for a few more seconds of cooldown reduction, so I usually spare those points for a Crit buff

[frail sand]

it's like the worst of both worlds

[static needle]

already am

[glossy ember]

based

[sick veldt]

why can't I take the crit aura with venting shriek fatshark

[mortal breach]

Having the warp charges at 6 would be nice but by the time I'm at 4, we already need the dome, and the extra 4 seconds of coverage doesn't make too much a difference when I'm already stunlocking the room with smite

[frail sand]

having a premade group is cheating /s

[mortal breach]

I don't play games unless it's with my buds

[frail sand]

good idea

[frail spear]

Imagine having friends that play this game lmao couldn't be me

[glossy ember]

i still think it outweighs anything you could take

that 5% extra toughness damage reduction won't help as much as 2 extra warp charges

imo

[mortal breach]

Even a toughness DMG reduction mod is working 100% of the time compared to the 5th and 6th warp charges which may only happen twice a round

At least with how my group and I run

Maybe it's a matter of my mileage varying

[frail sand]

i find building 6 charges is fairly easy?

at least in pubs idk

[glossy ember]

Give it a shot

you'll get to 6 charges faster than you'd think at times

[frail sand]

should have more than enough enemies on damnation to build 6 charges

[mortal breach]

If I were running any other build I would say yes, but smite doesn't get my elite kills. Surge is great for that, but sometimes our knife zealot just clears groups of elites while I'm casting my lightning bolts so unless I'm right on her ass I don't usually grab charges quickly. Plus, I'm typically stunning with smite for her sake

Perhaps it's a group dynamic thing, perhaps not. Plenty of factors could be pulling me outside the meta but I'll never know

[plucky flax]

Embrace the chaos of solo queuing.

[frail spear]

Chaos is an apt description. Anymore than two psykers and it's hell.

[mortal breach]

For now, all I know is that I don't typically reach 6 warp charges. I always see 4 charges stacked before I end up in another situation where my dome is required. So I usually spare that point to put into warp rider or one of the top tree toughness talents

[plucky flax]

I would love to be able to change class during mission ready screen.

[near wyvern]

What the F, how the hell you can't have fifth and sixth warp charges on? Auric Damnation and you are topped up without even trying...

[plucky flax]

Uuuh I play in sedition. Pls no flame.

[near wyvern]

Auric Maelstrom sample
https://youtu.be/yrOmLUfNMw4

[bright mica]

alright I wanna do funny purgatus build because I finally got the tier 4 crit blessing for it what do I do

I'll probably run it with cknife because I'm an addict

[mortal breach]

Maybe I just have bad luck? If I just clutch my surge staff like I do my pearls, then I find generating charges isn't much of an issue. But I usually end up smiting to help control rooms while my team mops up

[digital narwhal]

I hope Warp Expenditure gets a buff.
It's just kind of... there.

Considering we generate Peril much slower than we Quell it, why is it 2.5% Toughness per 10% Peril generated?

[bright mica]

Smite is so nice when your Creeping Flames is 10 seconds on CD but you really need it

you just pause the enemies for them 10 seconds

[near wyvern]

You have a lot of things you can play around with:

• assail or wildfire (BB)
• Creeping Flames spam or no spam
• Warp Sphon up to 4
• Warp Siphon up to 6
• No Keystone build

[mortal breach]

I've tried doing smite with creeping flames before. It's really fun. But my group prefers the dome support

[bright mica]

I like Assail for its medium range and anti-sniper but I'm worried about how much I'm losing from not grabbing Wildfire

[near wyvern]

In that case I would bring a gun and give them a lick of my psychic butt

[bright mica]

I'm probably gonna go CFlames because it's just my fav ability

[digital narwhal]

Rectangle > Bubble

[near wyvern]

Not much because wildfire bugs, you mainly lose some horde trash DPS, that's all. It's not vital.

Even less so if you are not spamming creeping flames

[mortal breach]

I'll give it a go with them tonight. The only thing I can see sucking is the maps with wide open spaces. Shrieks are great for turtling in a corner but that's dangerous

[bright mica]

That's good then. I'll do a crit purg with cknife, assail, cflames, and warp siphon 4 probably

[spare sail]

which better

is it worth the one extra burn statck

[bright mica]

I think 76% burn is the soft cap

so both are fine there

[digital narwhal]

Right one imo

[spare sail]

aigh

[bright mica]

I'd go right but if u get unlucky then keep left

[fading iris]

[digital narwhal]

But keep the blue in case the grey gets bricked

[bright mica]

ugh Now I need a purg staff only dagger since the guide says to put Unyielding on your melee

[spare sail]

it got run n gun

bruh

[bright mica]

rip

[harsh urchin]

run and gun isn't terrible tbh lol

[spare sail]

perks are ok so if it can get nexus or flurry its salvagable

[harsh urchin]

need to check and see

[bright mica]

that's epical

[mortal breach]

I hate run and gun

[harsh urchin]

if the 10% dmg bonus it gives

works on burn

[glossy ember]

based

[bright mica]

honestly I can't play shields anymore I tend to have too mobile of a playstyle

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/snot-lilskies-whipski-fightme-fight-gif-21161722

[feral knoll]

I like extra warp resist tbh. I’d say right : )

[digital narwhal]

Protecting the team from Specialists and Disablers > funny bubble

[bright mica]

plus who needs shields when you have 3 toughness curios with Gunner resistance

become the shield

[fading iris]

Sorry, I only run ordo dockets on my curios

[bright mica]

sigma

[digital narwhal]

3x Gunner Resist + One with the Warp + Telekine Shield + Quietude
Become immune to Gunners

[frail sand]

too real

[near wyvern]

This sibling gets it

[summer prairie]

3 power matrix auric maelstorms in a row, good design

[glossy ember]

one day i'll be good enough to run square

[bright mica]

I am too addicted to Creeping Flames to literally ever let go of it

[near wyvern]

It's funny to remove doggos from people through walls with it

[digital narwhal]

Also, I dunno what it is with pub bubble Siblings, but they never know when to use it

[bright mica]

I only do on my gunsykers because gaze is fun and ZOOOM

[digital narwhal]

It's like they use it immediately off cooldown

[bright mica]

pushing with my cknife does that too

[mortal breach]

One day, FS will let me cast the square where I aim instead of through the metal flooring onto the platform below

[near wyvern]

20m through walls? I doubt

[bright mica]

Creeping flames

[digital narwhal]

Also, because bubble is fucking huge, whereas rectangle is not, it's easier to block Trapper nets with the shield

[near wyvern]

Yes this one removes dogs up to 30m even through walls

[bright mica]

I've used cflames shriek to knock doggos off a lot

[hearty oak]

They sometimes do. Though, I don't think I will ever see the one mf that saved people with the bubble in the best times

[digital narwhal]

I love my double shield because I can just cut enemies off

instead of just blocking bullets

[west stream]

Met a guy who used square shield perfectly

Blocking doors and creating killing zones

[bright mica]

double shield better because it's hilarious when you stack 2 of them and 3/4 of the horde bounces off it

[digital narwhal]

If you're smart with it, Rectangle™️ is better than Bubble™️

[west stream]

Funnel enemies and annihilate them in a blast

[mortal breach]

If you can get in a room yeah

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[digital narwhal]

Bubble™️ is better for Siblings that don't quite have the tactical thought to use Rectangle™️ to it's fullest extent.

[hearty oak]

Oooo what if playing the shield actually cut enemies in half

[bright mica]

that'd be cool if a bit OP

[digital narwhal]

It's already one of the strongest supportive abilities in the game

Doesn't need it

[glossy ember]

what if rectangle shield had a 10% chance to bump teammates

[hearty oak]

Obviously a flat damage amount. Not like closing a door

[mortal breach]

I'd be cool with casting the shield made enemies bounce back

[digital narwhal]

Knock an Ogryn or Zealot out of their charges

[near wyvern]

Statistically untrue. Get your numbers right. It's 10% chance so with double shield it's a 19% chance so almost 1/5 of the horde that bounces off

[bright mica]

I wish that gaze had more of a visual indicator, have our eyes glow and leave behind trails, have our psykers literally get set ablaze from warp fire

[hearty oak]

It's more of a gimmick. Like when you place it, not if they cross the threshold

[glossy ember]

[bright mica]

I'm really lucky because I'm a girl

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-low-tier-god-yskysn-ltg-thunder-thunder-gif-23523876

[mortal breach]

Meta

[glossy ember]

let us go ssj

[bright mica]

no but like actually

[hearty oak]

More visual indicators like warp siphon

[digital narwhal]

Instead of "cutting them in half", maybe play into the existing Fantasy of 100% chance of stunning anything you cast it on, regardless of if they're Specialists or not.
But again, it doesn't need anything added to it.

[near wyvern]

Just use a tactical barrel

[glossy ember]

third shield variant which just drops a kinetic barrel

[hearty oak]

Yeah but that's not grim dark enough

[digital narwhal]

[bright mica]

okay imagine bubble sidegrade that let's you recast it to collapse the bubble liquidating the enemies inside from a warp implosion

[mortal breach]

Third shield variant; triangle

[digital narwhal]

[mortal breach]

I would actually love to make my bubble into a trap

[frank moat]

Does Scrier's Gaze even have like, a sound or visual cue if another player is using it

[mortal breach]

No

[frank moat]

I genuinely do not know

[glossy ember]

https://tenor.com/view/look-up-scared-willem-dafoe-gif-17761333

[bright mica]

that's a pyramid

[frank moat]

Wack

[mortal breach]

Okay what about a cube

[bright mica]

other than the player running fast no not rlly

[digital narwhal]

It has the voiceline on cast, like other abilities.

But that's it.

[mortal breach]

I need more shield shapes.

Fuck it, rhombus shield

[bright mica]

considering its like an actual not made up thing in lore I think it could use some more flaire

[frank moat]

In that case either I'm really not paying attention or I just haven't matched with one, cus I've no idea what the voiceline would be

[bright mica]

what if instead of that shitty 100-200 damage Creeping Flames alternative it was Creeping Chills and froze enemies

[mortal breach]

Or slowed time in a cone

[glossy ember]

it's very close to shriek voicelines

[bright mica]

like dead space

[digital narwhal]

Stunning enemies hit momentarily, as if hit by Smite, would be pretty cool.

[glossy ember]

hard to dicern them

[digital narwhal]

With stun duration based on Peril

[bright mica]

yeah imagine just turning a whole horde to ice at 100% peril, taking about 10 seconds for them to break out, maybe 10% chance of them shattering instantly dying

yeah imagine just turning a whole horde to ice at 100% peril, taking about 10 seconds for them to break out, maybe 10% chance of them shattering instantly dying

under 85% it'd just chill and slow em for 10

nowhere near the damage of flames

just CC

[mortal breach]

Counter with purgatus staff and hit them with that temperature shock

[digital narwhal]

I think leaning into the lightning idea of stun would be better

Since they already got assets for that

[bright mica]

oh yeah good idea

but the lag

...

[digital narwhal]

It's the clouds that caused lag with Smite

not the lightning

[bright mica]

damn

any tip on reducing that btw

cus hodddamn

[digital narwhal]

They removed the clouds

[bright mica]

HURRAY

i think only excessive gore lags me now

and memory leak

but I think I have a memory leak caused by a mod

I'm too lazy to troubleshoot so I just restart every 2 matches

[mortal breach]

My CPU can handle a few more maggots on screen

[gentle idol]

Max settings
Max maggots

[digital narwhal]

I had someone try to tell me that our in-game Psyker was a Beta-Grade Psyker and

like

No the fuck they ain't

[gentle idol]

replied to wrong post

[mortal breach]

Maggot shaped shield

[gentle idol]

Too small.
Replace shield with a maggot.

[mortal breach]

I want a shield shape that blocks everything except one particular shape of infested

[gentle idol]

Make it a firewall.

[mortal breach]

Circular shield except it expands slowly outward and pushes back all smaller enemies

Moses shriek that pushes enemies to the sides instead of forward

[bright mica]

okay hear me out

you hold ur staff out

[weak widget]

On surge force staff, what is better between quell speed and warp resistance

[bright mica]

and make a portable orb

shield dome thing

that knocks enemies back

[summer prairie]

quell is a bit better but it's the combination of both really

[bright mica]

like zealots relic

[weak widget]

what would you keep

[bright mica]

it's actually common for ppl to want low warp resistance

for surge especially

[summer prairie]

you upgrade both and see which is better

[bright mica]

it can build your shriek up quickly while also recovering more toughness from toughness on quell

I adore my 24% in warp resistance 76+ in every other stat surge

[weak widget]

hm

[bright mica]

that said its definitely acquired taste

[harsh urchin]

this

[bright mica]

and works best with the quell speed talent

[harsh urchin]

evil is just talking to him/herself

the truth is that RNG decides

[bright mica]

thank u for gender affirming little dinosaur

[bright mica]

yeah this true

I like 🐟arace and maniac on my surges

get it

carparace

🥁

[frail sand]

[mortal breach]

Carapace

[bright mica]

shut da fuck up iced

or I'm about to make u SmokedSickle

[mortal breach]

🚗apace

[bright mica]

Smoked Salmon mmmm

[weak widget]

i guess rng has spoken

[bright mica]

OH NICE THAT'S RLLY GOOD

[frail sand]

run n gun, everyone's favorite blessing

[glossy ember]

both good

[mortal breach]

Seethe

[weak widget]

can't fix the first one though but the second one seems better?

[glossy ember]

i would use right

[weak widget]

I can replace infested dmg with unyielding

[glossy ember]

wym

[weak widget]

and the run and gun

[bright mica]

you should likely keep flak and swap specialists for whatever u prefer I like 🐱apace, warp nexus is quite nice and terrifying barrage can be useful too surprisingly enough on surge

[glossy ember]

flak is great on surge

[weak widget]

hm

[bright mica]

uh yeah the first one is the better one lol

[glossy ember]

first one swap tb and specialist, second one swap run n gun and infested

[mortal breach]

Catapace

[weak widget]

haha everyone disagrees so hard

[bright mica]

they're both good tbh

[frail sand]

in conclusion: none bricked

congratulations

[glossy ember]

either way you'll have nexus and flurry on both

and two good perks on both

[bright mica]

I'd go for first because with a warp nexus build u don't want bottom tier warp resistance

hard to float near 100% with that low warp res

[mortal breach]

I like left, but I would put flurry instead of barrage, and swap flak for crit

[weak widget]

good point yeah

[summer prairie]

it's easier to float near 100% with high quell than high wr

[glossy ember]

how many rmbs do you get with 79% warp res

I get 5 i believe with 60% warp res and warp nexus 3, gotta check when i get back home

[bright mica]

no because with high wr you can quell for 1 tick and recast, too low and you need 2 ticks

[summer prairie]

wrong

[bright mica]

idk if that makes sense

[bright mica]

oh yeah? prove it in the ring champ!

[summer prairie]

it's only like 2.6% more peril per full charge with 50 wr vs 80 and one tick of 80 quelling is 3,7% more than one tick of 50 quelling

[bright mica]

damn ..... i guess u win this time

[weak widget]

actually how does rmb work with armour types

[summer prairie]

and that's not taking into account that the on click peril doesn't matter as long as you press before 97

[bright mica]

https://tenor.com/view/sonix-gif-20199957

us rn

[glossy ember]

almost everything u hit is flak

[bright mica]

how about you Flak Off mister

[weak widget]

it doesn't matter for the smite part though does it? better to get % against an enemy type vs type of armour?

or crit

[glossy ember]

flaking hell

[bright mica]

flak is enemy Tytpe in a Way

[weak widget]

but when you smite, you're not targeting a body part afaik?

[bright mica]

I think it assumes torso

[glossy ember]

uhh chest except on reaper for w/e reason

[bright mica]

idk

I miss my wife

[glossy ember]

reaper should be flak chest

but we hit unyielding

with surge rmb

[weak widget]

this game is loaded with secrets

[bright mica]

raper torso has many armor types

did u know rapers wrist has carapace

he got ICE

[glossy ember]

which enemy?

[bright mica]

the reapist

[glossy ember]

[bright mica]

did I say something wormg

[silver portal]

Lmao surge staff melts everything

[opal pebble]

Idk how you guys do it

[bright mica]

anti depressants

[opal pebble]

I uh meant surge staff being op

[bright mica]

yes

[hot zephyr]

Dumb question time: (Background: I played a bunch at release up to Patch #2 ish and didn't play much since due to RL circumstances)
How badly will other classes hate on you for playing Gunker these days? I have a decent Purge, Void, and Gunker build but I dislike how boring the Surge CC gameplay loop is, trying to gauge what the reaction will be on Hersey/Damnation (not auric yet, I'm not optimized enough for that currently)

[bright mica]

you just take 1 point into empowered psionics and don't waste it on your blitz

eventually you'll get 1 stack pretty early and u can infinitely reap the benefits of increased damage surge staff

most ppl run it with BB for the passive you can pick up from BB because ur not gonna use it anyway

then like any ability/melee/aura of choice

I don't run the glitched surge cus I prefer warp siphon

[bright mica]

Gunker is better than ever, in fact so much so that many weapons have significantly higher DPS on a Gunker than a Vet

[pale crescent]

gunker is half decent if you build for crits and can hit your headshots

[bright mica]

I think the most popular options are Columnus and Graia IAG and Laspis

I've tried all 3 and they're good

Recons are trash rn sadly

[hot zephyr]

is a 20+ year Counter-Strike vet
Oh yes. This will suit me just fine.

[bright mica]

yeah then try Graia IAG and Laspis, both reward good headshot rate

Columnus is when you dgaf

still good cus the crits are insane

[glossy ember]

if you want it to be op take EP keystone

[bright mica]

just a heads up it's way better with a scav vet on your team

[glossy ember]

but that should get fixed soon

[pale crescent]

ive had some good luck with a mkxii las rifle

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I was reading the Athenium guide and it said try the MG 1A, but I only have MGXII's right now, but I have a wicked Columnus and an Aggrippa Mk1 both setup with some nice perks/blessings

[bright mica]

try it on Columnus it's hilariously strong

used to be my goto but I prefer laspis now because melting bosses is satisfying

[pale crescent]

infernus is also funny

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, i'll have to pickup a Shredder and an LP. they were both just so bad when I was last playing they were essentially free extra dockets

[bright mica]

idk if Shredder is any good with it but I think @pale crescent might be a better guy to ask

[hot zephyr]

It's nice to see the patches have made all the playstyles more viable/accepted

I last played maybe ~7-8 months ago

[bright mica]

yeah only Vet is in a bad state but the devs very much know that

[bright mica]

same as u. played on release and half loved half hated it

came back on the day of the rework and fully in love

[hot zephyr]

Back then you brought anything except surge or purge and you got lobby-kicked

Had to resort to quickplay to get my Gunker fix

[bright mica]

yeah no every staff is useful now

can't believe it but trauma is my fav now

used to hate that thing

[rare storm]

Forgot how fun the dueling sword was

[rare gorge]

how good is this?

[hot zephyr]

Yeah, I'm super excited to try Void, it was super broken when I last played to the point when it was essentially a meme

[rare storm]

Very good, would like more warp resist but eh it's fine

[hot zephyr]

I remember the Trauma Staff Guide essentially said "this is only useful if you want to truamatize your teammates"

[bright mica]

shame on the modifiers but the ones that matter most are 80/79, I'd cop

[rare storm]

Perks to crit chance + uyielding(if you want to down bosses and crushers) or carapace

[bright mica]

what Chen said

[rare storm]

And run with true aim, you'll basically be procing surge 24/7 throughout your runs

[bright mica]

mhm

[rare storm]

but all in all honestly, just having those 2 prime blessing already make it a very good staff

I still need my nexus 4

[rare gorge]

sweet

gonna give it a try now

[autumn whale]

which is better

[rare storm]

You can try it out with the DD skill tree, makes it alot more fun too

[ornate hamlet]

the duck one

[autumn whale]

very helpful

[ornate hamlet]

thank you

[rare storm]

I mean... it's hard to compare bases since

Your fate depends on hadron lol

They're both decent

[silk hawk]

Both are decent, grey is better, but try to hadron both and see what she gonna brick

[autumn whale]

aight

[rare storm]

ye what dilust said

What is the dump stat on trauma actually

either warp resist/quell?

[silk hawk]

Id say 50/50

[rare storm]

ahh true makes sense

[summer prairie]

dmg isn't a big deal either

[rare storm]

If it's a blaze trauma the damage modifier doesn't affect the sb tick dmg ya?

[viscid matrix]

https://youtu.be/C7cqUcJ8u5o

[silk hawk]

But it's nice to have, then not to 🙂

[summer prairie]

70 trauma does 3% less dmg than a 80. It's not nothing but unlikely to matter for breakpoints

[rare storm]

oo okay

[silk hawk]

It's like 20% hp and 21% hp relics xD

[summer prairie]

and no it doesn't affect sb tick

[orchid shadow]

I just picked this up from Melk. Keep both blessings and change the perks to Maniac and... Carapace? Unyielding?

[rare storm]

Every % that I can get matters

sweats in minmax

[plucky flax]

That's nice man. Here's mine.

[silk hawk]

I think 20% maniac is enough?

Not sure thou

[rare storm]

20 is enough ye

[orchid shadow]

Interesting. Rampage over Shred?

[plucky flax]

Yeah so if I have to use it for horde clear I can.

Shred is nice but even without shred you can kill crusher in 3 or 4 hits.

[silk hawk]

So u can just change one to unyielding

[rare storm]

How does shred stacks work? Do they get consumed on the 6th hit? or until the target dies

[silk hawk]

And save one blessing, for maybe u want to try rampage later on

[orchid shadow]

Okay, thanks!

[plucky flax]

You keep the stacks as long as you keep hitting enemies.

If you miss an attack all stacks drop.

[rare storm]

ooooo would be a nice monstrosity sword

okay ima try it

[silk hawk]

Until u miss as far as i Know

[rare storm]

ayee

[glossy ember]

what the hell is this mutie trian

[silk hawk]

Just keep in mind rampage is bugged rn

[rare storm]

Ye it gives 2x damage or something right

[silk hawk]

yep

[orchid shadow]

But of course it is. What's up with Rampage?

[rare storm]

Free delivery

[orchid shadow]

Jeez. Might as well run it with my Surge staff and get all the lobbies mad at me.

[silk hawk]

Yelling in the chat: something BUGgling my mind !!!!

[summer prairie]

hadron trauma graveyard, never perfect https://streamable.com/z4vs83

[rare storm]

I think it only works with the melee

[round summit]

is surge bugged fixed?

[orchid shadow]

Nope, maybe with the anniversary update? But who knows.

[vernal crypt]

Blessing combo for a surge staff?

[digital narwhal]

I love Columnus Psyker with Mettle + Empathic Evasion

[digital narwhal]

Warp Flurry + Warp Nexus

[vernal crypt]

nice

[hot zephyr]

Wow, that's impressive

[digital narwhal]

I just held down M1

It's the Talents doing all the work

[hot zephyr]

Do you have a talent-build list for that?

[spare sail]

whats the best purg staff aura to use?

[desert mirage]

Lmao what the hell

[dreamy storm]

support so hard

[fading iris]

God Emperor decided to give me this after a mission

[kind tinsel]

Trying the psyker

is there a consensus on the middle keystone, is better 12,5% chance to proc, or on elite kill?

[lapis linden]

Elite

[silk hawk]

On elite kill

Unless u run smite...

[kind tinsel]

I am running brainburst

because I like seeing the heads pop

[orchid shadow]

Now I'm just hearing voice lines from the movie of the little monster kids yelling "Mike Wazowski" every time you kill a Mutant.

[kind tinsel]

Well, thank you both

[lapis linden]

Elite is always the better choice, its 100 guaranteed even when you brainburst an enemy itll proc

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-spongebob-squarepants-wow-mindblown-gif-13169052

[hearty oak]

If you played veteran or zealot with a mk5 colum, using mind flayer would apply really well here along with disrupt destiny

[rare storm]

Mike Wazowski running a train on mutants

[lapis linden]

The other one just increases the chance from 7 ish to 12.5

[silk hawk]

Unlimited power!!!

[rare storm]

https://tenor.com/view/train-tunnel-pounding-gif-23871774

[kind tinsel]

Yeah, its kinda anemic the increase

[kind tinsel]

I don't quite understand hyou

[lapis linden]

I miss the unlimited smite bug

[hearty oak]

BB by itself is meh but if you use a gunker, mk 5 colum is like having a passive brain burst that just works on its own

[kind tinsel]

Ohhh

Yeah, I don't quite want to do gunpsyker

[glossy ember]

dumb question, which shield lets you be more offensive, rectangle or dome

[lapis linden]

Brainburst + Empowere psionics if you target elites majority of the time gives you free powered up brainburst the whole game

[olive ember]

can a train back up that quickly?

[glossy ember]

gonna go on a hunch that dome lets you be a bit more reckless due to toughness regen

[lapis linden]

Rectangle stuns enemies, dome gives everyone inside toughness regen and proects from enemy ranged

[rare storm]

I think it depends more on how you play. But with dome, I can throw it down into drop points where my team usually follows through instead of being scared mofos

[glossy ember]

but i might be wrong

[olive ember]

eh both are kinda defensive. One is for turtling the other is for stunning specials reactively

[rare storm]

I don't run shield toughness regen, most of the time the team doesn't stay in it and having 15 flat toughness or dr would be better ig

[rare storm]

[olive ember]

if you want offensive run shriek

[lapis linden]

Time the dome properly and it can stun mutants and dogs

[olive ember]

wat

[glossy ember]

not a big fan

I run scrier usually

wanted to give shield a shot since it's not a loss on any node compared to my scrier build

in fact I gain one free point

[olive ember]

eh run either or both are good

[lapis linden]

Though (IMO) the dome is better since it shields you 360 degrees, so those sneaking flamers and trappers wont be able to shoot you unless they enter

[rare storm]

Both are good

[olive ember]

but i wouldn't rly call either offensive

[rare storm]

It's just how you play them

[glossy ember]

yeah i know both are defensive

[rare storm]

I like running the rectangle shield to watch dogs faceplant into it though

[olive ember]

both have uses, dome shield is good for blocking trapper, flamer, bombers, etc.

but other shield can come in clutch when mutant spam or etc. shows up

[lapis linden]

Dome also gives damage reduction when it breaks

[fading iris]

I just realized that I started a mission where is raining inside.

[limber tartan]

Its more of a preferance but i do prefer the rectangle over the dome due to having 2 charges and stunning people

[glossy ember]

hm

[limber tartan]

I think its just better if you can find good choke points

[glossy ember]

might go with rectangle, surge staff usually deals with flamers/trappers/bombers fine

i only gave rectangle a shot once

[rare storm]

You also get 2 uses of the rectangle shield

which is very very useful

[glossy ember]

right but that also means consuming warp charges twice

[azure bridge]

Out of curiosity, bugs aside, is empowered psionics worth taking over warp charges on a smite build?

[rare storm]

not really no

[limber tartan]

Smite is unlikely to kill

[rare storm]

You can always run DD or EP lulw

[dreamy storm]

i take soulblaze

[limber tartan]

And even if it does you probably need to just hold a horde untill you hit 100%

[lapis linden]

Not really

[dreamy storm]

2 uses shield - smite - soulblaze

[azure bridge]

ty, i've been looking at smite builds b/c I rather enjoy using it, and saw one of the YTers mention going warp charges and soul fire stacks

I can't go into anything higher than malice atm so I was wondering how it all kept upt

[dreamy storm]

using smite from behind frontline

or safe place

proc shield if needed

[lapis linden]

Smite wont be killing a lot of elites or specials but itll do well against hordes your melee weapo will do aswell

[azure bridge]

one of the builds mentioned shriek vent

but also said you could go bubble shield instead of that

If you're willing I'd like some more accurate context about that as they didn't really go into it

[lapis linden]

If youre going smite, your damage output will be low so bring along either void or surge staff

[rare storm]

Shield is a more team orientated skill that you can use (and if you're already comfortable in peril management) + it gives you more cover and defense but less dmg overall

[dreamy storm]

dome is good in open map

up to your preference

[rare storm]

Shriek is a selfish skill which helps you (if you're not great at peril management) and also helps give you lots of damage by way of creeping flames

decent horde clear too

[limber tartan]

I wouldn't call stunning enemies selfish

[rare storm]

depends on how you use it

[limber tartan]

Well, hopefully to stun enemies

[azure bridge]

yeah a friend of mine accidentally entered this malice game where there were unending hordes and specials, I think it was high intensity? Anyway smite really pulled its weight in that mission so I've come to love it

[rare storm]

80% of the people I see using shriek only uses it when they panic and are going to explode

the 20% are the small handfull that uses it to help the team in hordes

[lapis linden]

Soulblaze talents pair well with the surge staff now since it can 1 shot majority of the enemies (maulers armoured ragers ragers crushers bulwark and reapers are 2 - 3 shots)

[azure bridge]

I'm attempting to learn how to proactively use it as opposed to fixing my screw up

[rare storm]

Then you can be a part of that 20%!

[azure bridge]

I was just curious wether the damage kept up in harder difficulties or if I should switch to bubble shield

[glossy ember]

just use it at 85% on a horde no?

[rare storm]

^ this

[limber tartan]

Most of the time you just want to hold smite untill you affect the enemies you want stunned and switch to weapons and kill

[rare storm]

For the max soulblaze stacks

Don't be stingey with your shriek uses too

[azure bridge]

a cd unused is a cd wasted

[dreamy storm]

smite good for c.c

[coarse bane]

lmao

[dreamy storm]

and your team will respect that

[coarse bane]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-bwoi-grin-chef-gif-18525191

[azure bridge]

I think the fact its both CC and damage makes me like it a lot even if the damage is low

[limber tartan]

permastunning a horde is usually a waste since if you're good the horde enemies should not be hitting you anyway you just cleave through them

[azure bridge]

but anyway it sounds like soul fire scales pretty well into the end game

[coarse bane]

Same match I just got

[limber tartan]

Just zap them untill you see the smite does not jump and swap to a weapon

[lapis linden]

Smite is very useful in aurics and maelstrom since it can stagger everyhing aside from the green enemies and bosses but the damage output even with soublaze is quite low (more of a defensive skill in auric and maelstrom)

[limber tartan]

Because finishing smite knocks down everyone except ogryns

and ragers

[rare storm]

Congrats!

[azure bridge]

So the damage isn't great but its at least there?

[coarse bane]

If you have Empowered up with 2 stacks it can wipe out an entire horde.

[azure bridge]

I'm running surge staff for single target killinlg

[coarse bane]

Boil them with smite till about 80-90% peril, Shriek rinse repeat. You should still have 2 or 3 stacks of EP

This is assuming you're also running all the soul blaze talents.

[azure bridge]

interesting

[lapis linden]

Yes, but the usefullness of smite is from its crowd control, it staggers all it hits so your team can then kill priority targets

[limber tartan]

ALright i literally don't see the point of smiting a horde till 90% unless you're surrounded and getting hit from everywhere

[azure bridge]

does that mean that the difference between warp charge and empowered smite is really just how long you can continuously keep smite up?

[digital narwhal]

Just a very typical Gun Psyker build.

[coarse bane]

No empowered psionics makes it do more damage.

[rare storm]

It's a playstyle, let people enjoy how they want

[coarse bane]

Also, you want to right click charge your smite.

[vagrant frigate]

dogs are fun

[azure bridge]

I' guess at this point I'll just have to try both out and see what works for me then. If I'm correct in assuming that the implication is both can work?

[rare storm]

Hello heck haven't seen you in a bit

[limber tartan]

Alright i get it i just didn't see why would anyone do that knowing how smite works

[coarse bane]

Yes, almost any build can work.

[vagrant frigate]

hello chendol

i tried using a knife with my build and boy is it asscheeks

mk4 is stupid op

[azure bridge]

Surge staff is recomended then?

[rare storm]

[azure bridge]

I think void was also an option

[coarse bane]

Surge, Void, Trama

[rare storm]

Knife really needs assail to make it usable/more friendly

[vagrant frigate]

i was running scrier bb knife

and rev

[lapis linden]

125% more damage but the damage of smite is so low it doesnt really matter, the 50% increased spread however is amazing (empowered psionics)

[vagrant frigate]

not a good combo ngl

[limber tartan]

I tried using revolver on psyker but there are issues with ammo and reloading speed

[vagrant frigate]

its all i use

[rare storm]

Hm.. I have a build like that too

[vagrant frigate]

its nuts

@rare storm

[rare storm]

but I think I used assail just for hording easier

[azure bridge]

speaking of damage for smite, the talent that makes enemies take 10% extra damage when you smite them, does that affect smites own damage or only other sources of damage?

[limber tartan]

Even if it is a Death Button

[coarse bane]

Yeah, I keep forgetting about the spread increase. I really only fire it off when I have 2-3 stacks and a good sized horde.

[plucky flax]

Are you in a fish bowl?

[rare storm]

Ahhh soulblaze my beloved

[lapis linden]

All sources of damage, even enemy fire (bomber and burster)