psyker-class

[fresh reef]

it's nearly 4 am so I could've just been trippin tbh

acceptable answer

plasteel go boingy

[ripe crater]

I never paid much attention to that at all. It actually looks pretty good

[fresh reef]

looks especially nice from the back imo

[sly dust]

imagine if you squish a lasgun and it goes boioioioing

[fresh reef]

I love my random tubing

[halcyon creek]

Maybe it’s overlapping plates that slide under each other to give that accordion effect? it’s gotta give somewhere to let your head move, give the poor animator a break lol

[fresh reef]

throwing my lasgun at the floor like one of these bad boys

[sly dust]

you have now lost a piece of military equipment

[fresh reef]

I would have zero issue with this honestly, because it looks like it's supposed to be rubber

but it has the metal texture

because reasons

[halcyon creek]

Because 40k is metal af

And when shit gets metal, the Rule Of Cool gets turned up to 11

[sly dust]

fatshart quality™️

[fresh reef]

and it's not even like they were totally lazy about it and just slapped a metalness texture on the whole thing

because the tubing has a rubber texture

so I guess it's just a really weird design decision?

[halcyon creek]

I mean, it’s the part that’s gotta change size when the character’s head moves

[fresh reef]

parental advisory: explicit content

[halcyon creek]

To me it looks like they’re just scaling the whole size “linearly”

Ah, oof. That angle makes it obvious that it’s one solid piece

[fresh reef]

I'd agree, but then I'd expect some kind of odd artifacting on the static parts

so only that one segment jiggles, meaning it is separated in the model as a different section

but then why the fuck is it not rubber, FatShart

make my $2 cosmetic make sense please

[halcyon creek]

Maybe they wanted overlapping plates, but then realized it would be way too much work?

[fresh reef]

could be

more likely than not it's just an oversight that I'm looking way too much in to

like the texture is there but it just isn't assigned correctly

[halcyon creek]

If it wasn’t a paid cosmetic. I’d be willing to let it slide. But they want my hard-earned money for it

[fresh reef]

I'm willing to give them a little more leeway on these kinds of things when I can reasonably sell trading cards and csgo cases to be able to purchase the cosmetic

[halcyon creek]

Well, maybe someone will see our conversation and give it a second pass

[fresh reef]

the urge to ping StrawHat rn

eh fuck it

@flint rock #psyker-class message
not really sure if I should report this as a bug or a suggestion on the forums, or whether or not to include a log

oh boy it's that time of the month where I burn ordo dockets

[frail sand]

every time i get matched with 2 stealth knife zealots in pubs im scared

[fresh reef]

it's a coinflip on whether they're amazing or terrible, and there's a 5kg weight welded to the terrible side

[sly dust]

thats why you forgo stealth and run at the enemies with modified default skill like a true Britishman

[fresh reef]

I run Chorus on knife cdr zealot

it's hilariously effective at countering shooters because of the sheer amount of suppression

[sly dust]

im pretty sure you cant be suppressed by shooters when popping default mod skill so i just do that and win game

very easy

funni

[ripe crater]

Too much Zealot talk in this channel... Those fanatics should not be held to any standards, lest we wish for our own standards to decline.

[fresh reef]

yeah but this is way funnier

[sly dust]

holy shit

im making a chorus build

[ripe crater]

What'd I just say -.-

[sly dust]

honk shoo mimimimi outta my way gayboy im gonna get a special kill and die in 2 seconds

[fresh reef]

so true, your grace

there really needs to be a gender neutral one-syllable word for royalty. "slay, monarch" doesn't roll off the tongue nearly as well

[sly dust]

how about we slay the monarch

could be a fun time

[fresh reef]

yes, but also the intent is calling you royalty ironically

we respect gender identity in this house, unless you're a heretic

in which case your pronouns will be forcibly changed to was/were via extreme, astromincal, and perfectly reasonable amounts of gratuitous violence

[ionic needle]

Wtf? they get suppressed by chorus from that range??

[fresh reef]

it suppresses any shooter, at any range

[ionic needle]

WHAT

WHY

[fresh reef]

if they have aggro on you, they'll be suppressed

[fresh reef]

ultimate get out of jail free card for you and your entire team

[ionic needle]

Oh guess I never read this

[fresh reef]

it's at the very least on a minute long cooldown

[ionic needle]

A minute is the base cd, so I guess with knife and invocation of death it's almost non existant 😛

[fresh reef]

correct

[ionic needle]

I like fury and eviscerator too much though

[fresh reef]

though if you're diving into a group of 20 gunners and your only protection is 200 toughness, a knife, and some suppression

you're probably fucked

which is why I bring a flamethrower to suppress them even fucking more

[sly dust]

grenade

[fresh reef]

grenade doesn't suppress though

[sly dust]

fuck it we ball

[fresh reef]

and stun nades are limited to use in emergencies

[sly dust]

with flame nade for aoe

[fresh reef]

cool fact: flame nade inherits your blessings from flamethrower

[sly dust]

if flamethrower didnt feel kinda weak for me i'd use it more

[fresh reef]

such as the one that makes elites have a chance to explode on death

[sly dust]

revolver funny tho

[fresh reef]

revolver very good

been thinking about running it on Psyker but I just find spamming staff bolts too satisfying

[sly dust]

thats true

psyker funny until you fuck up and forget about peril

[fresh reef]

I will now demonstrate the proper button combination to kill a reaper without it being able to damage you

2 (equip staff), m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1, m1,

[sly dust]

this has happened to me during "aw-fuck-there-are-20-hounds-about-to-kill-me" moments

[fresh reef]

smite+creeping flames makes the doggies go bye bye

[sly dust]

i gotta get that at some point

[fresh reef]

and with the 5% cdr per kill, you get it back practically instantly

[sly dust]

i just spam to win assail

the funny™️

[fresh reef]

inb4 one shard decides to exclusively not the hound most ready to pounce you

though same could be said for smite really lmao

[sly dust]

the rotschilds manipulating my assail shards in real time to miss the hound going directly at me and focus on a random nurglite 20 meters from me:

[fresh reef]

I run it without the extra nodes and the amount of times I've been interrupted because there was a single poxwalker 30 degrees to my left that didn't get shocked is far higher than it should be

it's like the thing with Beasts where they just kinda ignore you for a second if you stand too close

[sly dust]

one of the moments of all time

[fresh reef]

lemme get a clip of the BoN thing rq

it's comical and practical because it makes solo'ing them in melee much easier

it's better when I don't skill issue but point stands

[frail sand]

one of the knife zealots died at map start facing armor packs and rage quit

the other keeps running ahead, getting trapped and downed

we cant even push fast enough to res

i dont know what i expected but this does not help the reputation of stealth knife zealots

[fresh reef]

lemme guess, Loner aura?

[frail sand]

you guessed it

im so glad i brought voidstrike dome shield and smite

full support build

the other 2 vets had to try very hard but we eventually won this AM lmao

[fresh reef]

imo, Shriek would be better support

[frail sand]

the AM mutator had schnipers

i brought dome for sniper

[fresh reef]

for when the local knife zealot gets pounce by a hound, somehow ran so far ahead that he's on the floor above you

[frail sand]

our zealot got trapper'd

i cant even shriek my way out of it

[fresh reef]

counterpoint: bowling ball

apply directly the forehead

[frail sand]

im glad at least AM pays well for the effort

in terms of dockets

OH CRAP

i upgraded the wrong sword

i thought obscurus was the illisi

[viral inlet]

the fuck is that grunt at 0:03 lol

[frail sand]

[fresh reef]

"aeh!"

Fem Seer in melee sounds like a grandma angrily trying to swat a mosquito

[limber tartan]

Oh

Soo now i know that some sounds are used by multiple voices because im not a seer and i have the same sound effects

[fresh reef]

?

which voice overlaps with it?

[viral inlet]

personal favorite is the agitator zealot, sounds super raw and like she's putting her life on the line with each swing

[fresh reef]

as an agitator enjoyer, I fucking love when she just mutters 'sinner'

also, CBT footage? ayo?

[viral inlet]

the descendant of "rat scum"

[limber tartan]

Nvm i also run seer, i had to check

[fresh reef]

lel

[viral inlet]

kept it around since the beta yeah
it's a perfect encapsulation of the game's mood when it really works

just by pure sound design

[fresh reef]

I really wish we could rip the hud straight out of the CBT

the darker colors fit the grimier aesthetic of the torrent

[viral inlet]

I use a few reshade filters that desature and make the game a little grimier
I think the hud itself is fine, but the portraits could have higher contrast/darker lighting yeah

[fresh reef]

oh man, I can smell it from here

nice

[viral inlet]

vile innit

[fresh reef]

I might try out some reshade filters, but I don't really wanna fuck up my funny peril colors

I spent way too long on them

[viral inlet]

smite isn't purple by default?

oh you mean the peril hud

there is a peril bar mod now, you could give it a shot

[fresh reef]

I'm using it in that clip lol

[ornate hamlet]

how to make this decent?

[frail sand]

another stealth knife zealot, will this be a god

[fresh reef]

Swap Shred for Uncanny, Groaner damage to Unyielding

[near wyvern]

Ehh I only need my big two numbers for thresholds

[ornate hamlet]

ok thanks!

[viral inlet]

I grew up playing V2 so I'll actually try it out I think

[fresh reef]

My thresholds are 50%, (hey you should probably look at this) 85% (playing with fire territory [double meaning lol]) and 97.5% (FOR THE LOVE OF THE EMPEROR PRESS R)

[severe folio]

hehehehe pussy

[white needle]

Can anybody tell me how or rather IF terrifying barrage works?

[west fjord]

Does rending cap at 100%? Working out if I should swap uncanny to lvl4, or leave a slot unlocked for a later date

[limber tartan]

I only quell at 100

However its still rare since i run exorcist soo usually i don't quell at all

[glossy ember]

caps at 100 yes

[static needle]

Is it worth it trying to get warp flurry 4 or can i settle with 3

[left mirage]

man

fucking director dropped a poxburster right on us at hab dreyko escape

literally fell on us

[compact cargo]

remove assail

[left mirage]

depends

you dont really need it for purg

but it helps a ton for surge / trauma

[static needle]

heres the roll

[left mirage]

id go uny + surge

turn it into a boss nuker

[static needle]

uny?

[left mirage]

unyielding damage perk and surge blessing

actually you could just slap on surge over terrifying and be fine

or use nexus + flurry to have an all rounder

[static needle]

i think ill want an all rounder then

dont really find boss nuking that enjoyable anyway

when consecrating, do you only get level 4 blessings from when u upgrade a weapon to yellow?

[frank moat]

Pretty sure you can still get rank 3 blessings

But the odds are better on tier 4

[static needle]

i can decide if i need lvl 4 warp flurry for my voidstrike

i already have lvl 4 warp nexus

[static needle]

.

[mossy canopy]

Shopping from melk as a one trick psyker summarized in one picture:

2,795 shmeckles for reference

[frail sand]

i should just leave the lobby if i see a stealth knife zealot at this point

[fresh reef]

Damn that's an expensive brick

[burnt mulch]

New player here. I feel like I don’t do peanuts for damage, is it a gear thing or am I missing something in my talent tree?

[mossy canopy]

Plausibly both, depends on what you're running/trying to do

[fresh reef]

Probably just a gear thing. What's the rating on your gear and what difficulty are you playing?

[fluid knot]

At least remove the tracking and how much it can be spammed

The tracking is the thing i hate most about it tbh

Its a fucking aimbot, an that has no place in this game

[compact cargo]

the uptime is also bad

why have ammo if it's pretty irrelevant

[fresh reef]

Make it like the lok-1 in drg

[compact cargo]

Discount bb

[fluid knot]

Im not familiar?

[compact cargo]

lok 1 has you hold a button and track (within a square crosshair) a target briefly before firing (depending on mods)

[fresh reef]

Hold M1 to apply locks, release to fire

[fluid knot]

that would be a bit better yeah

[fresh reef]

Have it be a little less braindead

[fluid knot]

Cos as it is right now, its by far the lowest skill thing in the whole game

An its not even close

[fresh reef]

Though it'd probably fuck up its role as a quick swap weapon

[fluid knot]

Not at all

You'd just not be able to pull it out an expect to kill things if they're right in your face

[fresh reef]

This is the definition of a quick swap weapon

[fluid knot]

Its not.. Quick swap means you can use it quickly without having to go through extended setup, at the moment, it infringes on what should be melee territory far too much

Not noticed how you see Psykers in pugs fold like wet paper the second they pull out thier melee weapon/run out of assail charges?

[burnt mulch]

Uh. 480 for my weapons, running T4s

[fluid knot]

Its because Assail lets them skip on learning how melee combat works

[fresh reef]

Oh, okay. So you're like level 25-30 then?

[burnt mulch]

I’m running this build I found on Games Lantern, it’s called something like Heretic Burner?

Level 30

[frank moat]

You could say the same for half the Veterans I match with

[fluid knot]

Vet has always been like that tbh, with Psykers its a new thing since P13

Maybe because a lot of Vets who now feel "nerfed" (they werent) moved over to Psyker idk

[fresh reef]

Post link?

[echo frigate]

Not at higher difficulties unless your doing some complicated bs

[left mirage]

post rework recon vet was the most fun ive ever had

in this game

[fluid knot]

Yes, in higher settings

[left mirage]

you just held down m1 and sprayed your way to the end of the level

[fluid knot]

Assail makes hordes into a laughing stock

[burnt mulch]

I’m on phone, gimme a sec

[left mirage]

ye, and that's before you factor in true aim, hand-cannon bug, etc

[fresh reef]

👍

[left mirage]

with those assail gets very dumb very fast

[echo frigate]

Uh no? It does good damage but literally play above malice and it starts to struggle

[fluid knot]

Aye.. the only things it struggles with is Carapace and bosses, and even then, aforementioned HC bug

[fluid knot]

If i bring Assail into Auric Maelstrom i dont even have to try, i can just throw meth about an occasionally use the staff. Its as overtuned in Malice as it is in the highest settings

[fresh reef]

200 damage if it doesn't crit and doesn't hit a weakspot

[burnt mulch]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a63bc43-7d7f-4084-84bb-4b9a2c8b630e/auric-heretic-shredder-auric-maelstrom-appreciator

[fresh reef]

Not exactly something I'd consider making hordes a joke

[fluid knot]

If it had any kind of relevant CD i would agree, but the fact you can just spam the ever loving fuck out of it an basically never have downtime breaks it

More to the point, it basically always hits weakspots

One in five might not, but thats still a massive amount of weakspot damage when you have them back near on instantly an each shard can hit like 4 dudes

[fresh reef]

Yknow, I do remember now that my points are irrelevant because I never run it with the cdr node lol

[left mirage]

it does have downtime, approximately 4-5s kek

[vestal fulcrum]

Is the chat revolving around Assail currently?

[left mirage]

i run out of shards, swap and kill like 5 things, and swap back

[fresh reef]

This build is uhh.. Not great

[frank moat]

3 dudes

[left mirage]

synergizes really fuckin well with the +warp on non warp kill talent

[echo frigate]

It's mid af

[burnt mulch]

One of my T5 running friends recommended it to me

[fresh reef]

Yeahhh, maybe take that friend's opinions with a grain of salt I gotta be real

[echo frigate]

There's much better staff builds

[frank moat]

And I feel a big reason Assail siblings crumble in melee range is because the darts are way less likely to headshot when you’re point blank

[echo frigate]

This

[orchid pebble]

I thought smite was ez mode

[frank moat]

No weak spots means no crits

[fluid knot]

They crumble in melee because they wont swap to it unless they're out of charges

[echo frigate]

You'll get shit on at some point using assails

[fluid knot]

By which point, they're probably already being torn apart by ragers

[frank moat]

Yes but according to you assail is an instant hoard clear even in melee range so long as you have charges

Which it really ain’t

[fluid knot]

If that was the case, it would have happened in P13 when i tested it. I play exclusively Auric Maelstroms

[echo frigate]

It deffo can be

[orchid pebble]

Don't you only get about 5 or 6 shots

[fluid knot]

Ten

[frank moat]

You’ve got like 10 lol

[orchid pebble]

Lol it's worse than I thought

[echo frigate]

P13 was when assails were stupid broken :)

[fluid knot]

Yeah, its absolute aids

[orchid pebble]

10 enemies insta dead is certainly kinda busted

[frank moat]

I do think the devs need to disincentivise always having assail out

[fluid knot]

They took 50 damage off it, nothing meaningful

[frank moat]

But I don’t want to see it get obliterated

[echo frigate]

More than that apparently in practice

[fluid knot]

*30, because each one targets multiple enemies

[left mirage]

cap crystals to 6-8, reduce regen to around 1.2-1.5s per rock, with cd talent

and it'll work

[echo frigate]

It takes like 8 to kill a mutant

[orchid pebble]

I tried brain burst and certainly don't see any reason to use that over assail

[left mirage]

why are you spamming them on muties

[fluid knot]

i would go as far as 5s

[echo frigate]

2 for a horde enemy

[left mirage]

last ditch effort

[fluid knot]

You get a burst of massive power, an after that, you gotta do other shit whilst they recharge

[echo frigate]

It's an example

[left mirage]

5s would be too long imo

[fresh reef]

@burnt mulch try this, using the same weapon and curio setup

[left mirage]

2s is as far as id go

[echo frigate]

No keystones is crazy

[orchid pebble]

Wb scriers gaze?

[burnt mulch]

Ill have to try it later, headed to work atm

[echo frigate]

Staff build

[orchid pebble]

Doesn't it get you high crit rate with any gun

[fresh reef]

True Aim exists

[echo frigate]

And funny warp shit + scriers can make you go boom quickly

[fluid knot]

If you're going to have something thats borderline entirely aimbot, it needs something to stop players having access to it all the time

[fresh reef]

And they're playing Voidstrike

[echo frigate]

Like it's that hard to aim otherwise

Lol

[fluid knot]

Well then there ya go, even less reason for it to be avaliable all the time

Assail is the most skillless thing in the current live game

[orchid pebble]

The guy in the picture has a laspistol so I assumed it's a gun psyker

Build

[echo frigate]

Krak grenade

Ogryn nuke

[fresh reef]

What

[echo frigate]

Zealot fire

[fluid knot]

Also pretty egregious, Assail is worse tho

[frank moat]

Purgatus

Revolver

[echo frigate]

No LMAO

[orchid pebble]

Just look at the background pictures

[fluid knot]

Purgatus is only bad because its infinite cleave

Infinite cleave stuff will always be a problem

[fresh reef]

Again, what? How is that relevant to the build?

[fluid knot]

Yes.

[left mirage]

eh, nades have a long ass cd

[fluid knot]

You dont get a Krak back every 1 an a half seconds

[echo frigate]

One shotting everything below monstrosities is wild

[orchid pebble]

I want a gun psyker, so do i pick scrizer

[frank moat]

If it had a cleave limit it would be unusably bad what are you on

[left mirage]

krak is an auto kill on two overlapping enemy groups at base

[fluid knot]

And hence why it hasnt changed. It doesnt stop it being problematic when thats something that nearly everything else bar Flamer an Plasma are withheld to

[left mirage]

60s cooldown per nade too

[fluid knot]

An i dont even think Plasma is gonna survive much longer in its current state either

[frank moat]

Is Purg not a mid staff

[left mirage]

its kind of an apples to oranges comparison ngl

[orchid pebble]

Don't need a Shield I'd rather have the left ability for instant peril quell

[left mirage]

purg is great

surge is mid imo

all of the staffs except surge i use regularly

[fresh reef]

Yes, Scrier's is good with guns. Why you would reply ping me about that while I was posting a staff build is the part I am confused on lol

[echo frigate]

Gunners go brrrrrrr

[fluid knot]

Surge seems to have been relegated exclusively to people using exploits an thats just fuckin sad man

[orchid pebble]

Idk you seemed knowledgeable about the psyker tree

[fluid knot]

Its way better than it was pre-patch even without the stupid interaction with EP

[plucky flax]

Handcannon assail is more broken than surge ep imo.

[fluid knot]

It is yeah

[left mirage]

it just needs to oneshot crushers without the bug

non-crit

[fluid knot]

How bout no

We need a massive decrease in player power accross the board, not more

[left mirage]

idk, id just bring trauma to cc or vs to cc/ kill in two charged shots

[left mirage]

eh, game isnt fun when its a slog

[fluid knot]

Game isnt fun when its a joke either

[left mirage]

if i want things to be super tough id spam aurics

[fluid knot]

Even Aurics arent hard anymore mate

[left mirage]

with pubs? they are lmao

[fluid knot]

Maelstrom can be in a select few scenarios

[plucky flax]

Hrm I still have to clutch maybe 1 or 2 out of 5 games.

[fluid knot]

But most of the time its just slightly more spawns that Auric

[plucky flax]

[fluid knot]

Thats because we've a load of returning/console players trying to do it

In time, it'll become as easy as Heresy

When you get a good pre-made AM feels like Malice now

[left mirage]

as players get better at the game, it gets easier

that's wild

[fresh reef]

No way, you're saying that as player skill increases the relative difficulty of the game goes down?

That's fucking insane man

[left mirage]

insanity

[fluid knot]

More that the amount of what are effectively noobs with zero mechanical skills are making it hard

[dapper folio]

i think I'm a really average player and auric pubs are pretty easy

[fresh reef]

I accidentally just took your point and increased the word count lmfao

[fluid knot]

Yeah, they're really not at the moment

[echo frigate]

Vote kick exists

[left mirage]

its all good lmao

[fluid knot]

Yes, yes it does :3

[left mirage]

damn, send me your pubmates

[fresh reef]

Same difference

[fluid knot]

If im with my team an we have a consoler join up in AM, we instantly vote kick them 😂

[dapper folio]

I will say however that I had this one vet yesterday who kept just fucking off on his own to die somewhere like idk how they do that

[left mirage]

kek

was it a stealth vet

[dapper folio]

maybe? I hardly ever heard the ult pop

just kept hearing him go down

[fresh reef]

Even with a near-full roster of seasoned players, this was still difficult

[fluid knot]

Usually Psykers with Assail/HC, Surge/EP these days tbh, the odd Zealot

[orchid pebble]

3 players make it more fun imo

[fresh reef]

Well, we had a level 80 zealot in there

[fluid knot]

There ya go then

[fresh reef]

Couldn't tell ya if she crashed or rage quit though

Her damage was less than stellar either way

[orchid pebble]

No plasteel for that particular person

[fresh reef]

Hot take: I don't think you should have to give 110% just for sake of "muh difficulty"

95% is fine. It's a video game

[orchid pebble]

Agreed

[fresh reef]

And that still got me my adrenaline high either way

[plucky flax]

Beast man. Its hard for me.

[fluid knot]

If you're going into the hardest content in the game with the mindset of "I just want to chill man" an then get annoyed when people expect you to actually try, you're in the wrong setting, simple as

[fresh reef]

That's not what I said lmao

[frank moat]

It sounds more like you’re in the wrong game if nothing is scratching your CBT itch

[broken carbon]

if u want 100% torture and no fun, play tarkov

[fresh reef]

There is a stark contrast between giving entirely too much effort versus giving a large amount of effort

[fresh reef]

For Honor

[fluid knot]

Thats how it reads

[broken carbon]

for honor at least has occasional moments of fun

i cannot think of one time i’ve had fun in tarkov

it’s all just a slog

[fluid knot]

Too many people live in this deluded bubble where they want everything to be OP as shit so they can get an easy ride, an like no. Thats how a game becomes stale and boring

[fresh reef]

"Occasional" doing a fuckload of heavy lifting in that sentence

[broken carbon]

ya

[fresh reef]

You will be 100-0'd by a CGBR gank and you will like it

[frank moat]

If you crave difficulty so much and the game isn’t delivering, why not self impose it

[broken carbon]

i just antigank

that easy

[frank moat]

Play private game and let the bot die

[hasty pier]

Nuance is lost on most people

[frank moat]

Rather than kicking the lowest level player every game

[fluid knot]

The game delivered just fine before, i share the mentality that many of the playtesters do, in such that its been made far too easy these last couple of patches to cater predominantly to newbies

[fresh reef]

"Complaining of thy lot is the first step on the road to Damnation"

[fluid knot]

Many people havent been here long enough to realise how much powercreep has been implemented since P13

It is really obvious to those who've been here a long time

[frank moat]

Yea I played at launch, join the club

[fluid knot]

Well then there you go, it should be obvious

If its not, well idk what to tell you man

An played at launch and played since launch are not the same thing

[modern bronze]

[broken carbon]

ya it’s stupid easy now

hope they make it harder soon

[fresh reef]

Been playing since pre-order beta. If you're referring to the fact that most weapons are viable now instead of builds consisting of the same two weapons because most things are garbage, that isn't power creep, that's balancing

[broken carbon]

damnation hi shock is easy now

[fluid knot]

It is, remember when they first implemented it an it was a real challenge even to a lot of people who had played nothing but Damnation since release?

[broken carbon]

yeah

i’m sure part of it is players getting better but

[vestal haven]

I membah.

[frigid zenith]

PSA, gunpsyker is a meme.

[broken carbon]

so many weapons are just braindead easy to use

[fluid knot]

Its not the weapons, mostly its due to the skill trees and lack of compensating balance changes on the enemy side of things

The weapons play their part, but they're not as big a contributing factor as the new trees

[broken carbon]

yah that too

[fluid knot]

We have been buffed by like 500%, the enemies have been buffed by like 20%

and it shows

[bitter escarp]

if anything some of the worst offenders on the weapon side of things got major nerfs

Slaughterer

Pinning Fire

[frigid zenith]

This game is less about the weapons and more about your movement, map knowledge, and situational awareness.

The worst offenders are the bugs.

Hand cannon bug, surge, tadda yadda.

[bitter escarp]

IME surge bug is annoying but every time I've seen one in the wild they've exploded far more than necessary

[frigid zenith]

Watching a vet with handcannon and a powersword pull 600k is a little silly.

[fluid knot]

Yeah.. but Fatsharks balancing is all over the place, because now Powersword is back on top, just like release, Psyker is full of bugs, just like release, and a bunch of weapons have been elevated which already had solid blessings to the point where they are now as OP as some of the pre-nerf shit

[fluid knot]

600k? Ive seen em pull near on a mil

Even on Zealot, 600-700k is my average

[bitter escarp]

also wholly lacking in quality of life treatment for anything stack related on the Psyker

[frigid zenith]

Not in my games, I take too much of the kills for them to get that high.

[bitter escarp]

when you throw the assail darts not because you want to fluff your damage

[frigid zenith]

Most zealots are assholes.

[bitter escarp]

but because you want to deflate vet and zealot egos

[frigid zenith]

Handcannon assail is also dumb as fuck.

I deflate all egos with trauma blsze.

[fluid knot]

Hate to say it mate, but since the introduction of the new trees, ive seen the most toxicity ingame from Psykers :/

[frigid zenith]

No bugs required.

[bitter escarp]

ngl I low key hate gun lugger ogryn

[whole oxide]

i do wonder about all these damage-scores I see where multiple people on the team doing 700k+ damage. Are you just not moving forward at all? usually auric missions for me finish with everyone less than 500k

[fluid knot]

But thats because a load of people just want the new "OP thing" an they also tend to be arseholes

[bitter escarp]

it's injected veteran space kerillian nonsense into the ogryn class

[distant roost]

Me when people finally realize Darktide is not a stats game except in overarching balancing requirements :)

[frigid zenith]

I'm not going to disagree with your experience, just last night we lost a couple AMs because of zealots trying to be superstars.

[bitter escarp]

saw one dude hide deployed ammo kits between his asscheeks and a wall the other day

[fluid knot]

Yeah it does happen. Speedrunners no doubt

[bitter escarp]

just so he could stubber the horde instead of just beating it up

[fluid knot]

The speedrunning thing is stupid anyway, you're not speedrunning diddly shit if you run three rooms ahead an get nuked by a trapper/flamer combo

[frigid zenith]

There's a way to play speed zealot correctly and not fuck your team. Most don't know how.

[frank moat]

????

[frigid zenith]

Don't even need stealth ahit really.

[frank moat]

You said you play in a pre-made that votekicks console players and anyone using Surge/Assail on sight

But it’s everyone else that’s toxic

[bitter escarp]

veterans still leading by a country mile in toxicity IME, but psykers have made up a bunch of the gap

[frigid zenith]

Just run crit with charge and a knife with lacerate

[fluid knot]

Yes, because console players shouldnt be there yet, and none of us want to play with people that are effectively cheating. We dont talk shit to them or give them grief, we just remove them

[surreal eagle]

Top tier complainer

[frigid zenith]

Sharpshooter vets that have no situational awareness are a bane

[distant roost]

How about we just agree that all classes are toxic because the overall community struggles with not being toxic

[ionic needle]

What game are you playing? In 50 games I maybe see one person being toxic and I almost exclusively play alone or with a single friend

[frigid zenith]

No toxic classes, just toxic players.

[bitter escarp]

had one bolter guy go off at me earlier this evening because I wasn't charging enough on my ogryn for his taste

[fluid knot]

Its not common, like at all, most people are generally pretty good, even when shit goes awry, but they do exist

[distant roost]

exactly

[frigid zenith]

We had a bolter guy, a vet, who managed to only do 28k damage while everyone else was at 100k+

[distant roost]

Prolly 1/20 games for me

[bitter escarp]

he got soundly shat on in the endgame lobby, didn't hurt that I nearly doubled his damage

[orchid pebble]

Is there a way to permamute ingame vc

[ionic needle]

Bringing a bad player is just another mission modifier, nothing to be mad about

[bitter escarp]

bad players are one thing, fuckwits are another

[fluid knot]

turn ye music up comes with the fun side effect of not hearing trapper cues

[frigid zenith]

I don't like ragging on the damage numbers if there's a zealot that's sticking by the group and not running off, he ain't going to have high damage but he's a great asset for creating a front line.

[orchid pebble]

Doesn't help whenever somebody decides to have a tirade i can't tell whose doing it

[bitter escarp]

when both are in the same person, fuark

[fresh reef]

Social menu
Click on their name in the strike team
Mute voice chat

[orchid pebble]

If I could I'd silence everything cept for enemies and ambient sound

[ionic needle]

yeah that's true, bad and toxic is a very annoying combination

[bitter escarp]

yeah there's always context, this man was getting real intimate with the floor and mostly holding his guts in

[frigid zenith]

Or the vet who's in point with sniping all the ranged and ignoring the rest. Nit gonna be crazy damage.

[fluid knot]

Usually, they are indeed from the same player

[distant roost]

Likely?

[orchid pebble]

Yeah that's the issue there's no sound icon indicating which playee is the annoying one running their mouth

[fluid knot]

just mute all of em

[distant roost]

Also tbh staying in coherency is uh stupid and not worth so

[bitter escarp]

IME, that means old mate is too busy tunnelling on the specials and he could stand to swing a melee weapon more

[fluid knot]

Its like one in ten people who even use VC other than to call out an ammo drop or summat

[ionic needle]

Isn't there a small mic icon that lights up by their portrait when they talk?

[orchid pebble]

good idea

[distant roost]

The “group” should usually be spread out by like 20m

[frigid zenith]

I've seen this in games with 2 zealots running off at random so there's no real front line so it's super difficult for the others then the zealots complain when people due to all their extra agro.

[fluid knot]

Uhm? Wot?

[ionic needle]

I had this german Ogryn player in my game the other day who just talked constantly about his build, about his work, about his day

[fluid knot]

Coherency is a core mechanic for team survival, if you ignore that outside of some few specific circumstances, thats being a liability

[bitter escarp]

not applicable in this case, though I share the malding about zealots acting like their dads

[ionic needle]

Nobody else was talking, I was trying to keep up in text chat but there's not a lot of time to do that in auric hishock

[fresh reef]

I met an Ogryn today named JoeRogryn (very original). He constantly barked orders at the team, backseated when he died, and then rage quit when he died again

Before he leaves, his ogryn says the "ignorance is strength" line

Poetry writes itself

[distant roost]

Not really when toughness regen doesn’t help if you are always being hit

[fluid knot]

Uhhh yes it does, it minimises how much chip damage you take

Because your toughness fills back up faster

[bitter escarp]

charitably he wanted a friend, uncharitably he wanted to talk at someone

[fresh reef]

It also reduces the delay before it starts replenishing

[ionic needle]

I kind of liked it, getting a break from the constant noise of mutants and shit going on

[fluid knot]

Of course, but if you're geting hit so much that coherency isnt doing anything at all, then thats skill deficiency

[ionic needle]

I swear that howl is in my dreams after a long evening session

[bitter escarp]

I need to set the trapper webgun noise as my alarm

[fresh reef]

Potentially terminal case of skill disorder

[frigid zenith]

Is there a way in the lobby pre game to tell who is in a strike team?

[ionic needle]

Hahaha, I can imagine rolling right out of my bed just to dodge the net

[fresh reef]

Isn't it supposed to show the strike team symbol next to their names?

[hollow jolt]

The little yellow skull icon next to names

[fluid knot]

Indeed.

[distant roost]

Funny case of momentum

[hollow jolt]

Indeed, the yellow skull

[frigid zenith]

Also, what are you guys go to builds and weapon combos for running AM missions these days?

[frigid zenith]

I feel like it doesn't most of the time.

[fresh reef]

Whatever I find comfortable

[fluid knot]

Shovel Vet/Crusher Zealot at the moment, just because both are super fun to play

[hollow jolt]

I usually bring Purg + crit build so I don't die

[frigid zenith]

I do think this game in great that it's really not about the best build, its about the best build that you play.

[hollow jolt]

Smite + surge sometimes

[fresh reef]

Which usually consists of blazing trauma, smite, and shriek

[fluid knot]

Im a little worried about Vet getting so much attack speed with one of the keystones tho

That could break a multitude of weapons

[hollow jolt]

Its just funny spamming lightning

[frigid zenith]

I would play surge more if it wasn't bugged, even without the bug it would be great.

It just seems silly with it now.

[hollow jolt]

I mean the "+33% crit per stack" is clearly working as intended UwU

Will probably be adjusted

[fluid knot]

Aye thats obviously a typo

[frigid zenith]

Exactly, I'm trying to live out my sith dreams.

[fresh reef]

Surge could use a bit of a damage buff, imo

[fluid knot]

If it ends up being 33% oh boi...

[hollow jolt]

Indeed, they clearly meant 333% crit per stack 💪

[ionic needle]

33% crit stacking 10 times? Nah that's probably correct

[fresh reef]

Empowered Spaghetti Code not withstanding of course

[fluid knot]

In all seriousness its either 3% or 3.3%

Either way, still a big bonus

[hollow jolt]

Whichever makes it the most annoying to build around UwU

[fresh reef]

Red crit gaming (new WR level cap disruption⁉️)

[bitter escarp]

yeah I've seen people who're good with the trauma staff but it's always felt weird as hell to me

[hollow jolt]

Darktide and Warframe are the same universe after all

[bitter escarp]

also purg staff seems like an excuse to not learn melee

[frigid zenith]

Other than handcannon and surge, what are the other bugged builds going around?

[ionic needle]

As a coder I'm very perplexed at how they've managed to create bugs where Surge interacts with Smite related bonuses

[hollow jolt]

That's only for shit players

But true

[fresh reef]

It absolutely is, as someone who crutched on it for a while so I could pull out my sword less

[hollow jolt]

Lightning is lightning UwU

[ionic needle]

I guess they just cut code from the Surge staff and placed it in the Smite talent or something?

[frigid zenith]

Probably trying to be "efficient" with code and lighting is the same thing.

[fresh reef]

But at the same time shooting fire out of your hands is fucking cool

[hollow jolt]

Purg staff has the added benefit of being basically unkillable in hordes which is funny to me

[frigid zenith]

surge with shriek if fucking awesome.

[hollow jolt]

10 gunners? Don't care

[fluid knot]

Likely thats what it is yeah

[hollow jolt]

Bombers though

Big sad :c

[fluid knot]

Given the similarity between how old Surge worked and Smite particularly

[fresh reef]

The 4 Crushers rounding the corner:

[frigid zenith]

Gotta get the old school purge staff with run and gun, that shit was hilarious, stagger everything while sprinting around.

[bitter escarp]

"here's a magic trick"

"fireball"

[hollow jolt]

Sorry I actually learned melee so that's a non-issue 💅

[frigid zenith]

I feel like trauma has purge beat for CC and damage though. Not boss damage mind you, but everything else.

[fluid knot]

Trauma is one of the few things that retained its throne as a meta pick for sure

[hollow jolt]

Mind in Motion because if I stop for a second I die 👍

[bitter escarp]

yeah, trauma is genuinely good, but I really dislike the targeting method

makes my teeth itch

[fluid knot]

I dont like it personally, but i cant deny its really fuckin good

[hollow jolt]

Trauma bad, recon gunpsyker good UwU

[ionic needle]

Yeah the same here, I can see how it's really good but I just HATE using it

[bitter escarp]

and it's good in a way that doesn't feel bullshit

[frigid zenith]

For as much "meta" trauma should be, in the hundreded of games Ive played in recent weeks, I've run into like 2 that actually use trama blaze.

[distant roost]

Probably had some copy pasted code or one “emperor palpatine” function

[hollow jolt]

Because lightning is more fun

[frigid zenith]

hell yeah brother, meme it up.

[fresh reef]

I love being an endangered species

[hollow jolt]

Brb using Assail only

[bitter escarp]

same, it feels like I'm wrestling the controls

[fluid knot]

Yeah its not hugely common it would seem, but you get a good player with that an they shred

[distant roost]

Tbh the like 4 gunpsyksrs I’ve played with were amazing

[ionic needle]

I'm running a deimos / laspistol build focusing on soulblaze now and it's a lot of fun, not sure if it works well in AM though

[hollow jolt]

Meanwhile I haven't found a gunpsyker that I haven't had to babysit

[frigid zenith]

Right? I feel like it has some just don't "get" it. They are wasteing their shriek and have bad positioning so they aren'y getting the same results.

[fresh reef]

Laspistol has insanely good boss dps

So that should at the very least cover your monstrous specialists

[bitter escarp]

yeah but it doesn't come with free occupational therapy

so get yourself an autoclicker

[hollow jolt]

Unless its a fucking chaos spawn and you can't hit its weakspot because its 3 pixels 😔

[distant roost]

Tbh I’m just glad that auric cuts down on the psyker who blows up every second

[frigid zenith]

It's great damage if they can keep ammo and someone else is there to CC for them, when I play trauma and my buddy plays his gunpsyker we both end up at around 600k damage.

[bitter escarp]

RSI hand injuries are no joke

[ionic needle]

The build also MELTS rager packs, just kill 1-2 and the fire from Perilous Combustion makes your name light up the kill feed

[hollow jolt]

Even my Vet can barely hit the weakspot on that dick

[fluid knot]

Also dumping AoEs onto thier friendlies is a very common one with players who dont know how to use it, which often causes more problems than it solves

[hollow jolt]

"If they can keep ammo"

[fresh reef]

Bad positioning such as being within a 1 mile radius of corrugated staircases

[frigid zenith]

BRO, FUCK them stairs.

[hollow jolt]

Yeah I never being trauma to the desert maps

I usually bring purg because lots of narrow hallways and I can simply run away in the open sections

[fresh reef]

I exploded a poxburster when it was halfway down one of those staircases before

[frigid zenith]

I just can't find a use for purge.

[fresh reef]

Better than sex

[fading iris]

There is no such thing as bad positioning, just bad teammates

[static needle]

Should i yoink surge?

[hollow jolt]

Got to try it I guess

[frigid zenith]

I feel like I personally do a better job with other tools.

I used to use it a lot.

[hollow jolt]

I would, you can do better than that

[static needle]

blazing spirit any good?

[fresh reef]

Ye, very good

[hollow jolt]

Going to be honest, I think its a skill issue

[fresh reef]

No, not very good

On Voidstrike

[hollow jolt]

Not on voidstrike

[ionic needle]

Worth it just to get Surge

[fresh reef]

Swap it for Warp Nexus, and swap the stamina perk for Maniac/Flak/Unyielding

[hollow jolt]

Surge also needs Warp Nexus if you can find it

[fresh reef]

Otherwise it's a great roll

[static needle]

Should i have surge replace terrifying barrage or should i still try to grind for warp flurry?

[frigid zenith]

The secret to voidstrike is to NOT get warp nexus but to get the purge reset on weakspot hits. and surge.

[hollow jolt]

Pretty sure blast radius isn't the dump stat you want :p

[coarse bane]

Wouldn't you want more blast radius though?

[fading iris]

I'm a simple Psyker, I see Tier IV that I don't have, I yonk it in the name of the Omnissiah

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

[fresh reef]

Literally anything is better than Barrage

[hollow jolt]

Fucking Hadron

[ionic needle]

Yeah, this shit covers all your crit needs

[frigid zenith]

barrage has it's uses.

[bitter escarp]

have power cycler despite not playing Vet, still no Surge blessing

[static needle]

yes but after i do that i cant change it to any other blessing, no?

[hollow jolt]

Too unreliable to get t4 blessings

I swear its like a 1% chance

Hadron pls

[fresh reef]

Ok so, basically

You can change two things on a weapon

[hollow jolt]

Except the stats 😔

[fresh reef]

The two things you dont change, cannot be changed

But the things you modify can be changed infinitely into whatever you want

[left mirage]

ye, either 2 perks, 2 blessings, or 1 of each

[hollow jolt]

It does cost resources though

Like 150 plasteel

[fresh reef]

Given you have the resources to roll it, yeah

[left mirage]

its kinda scuffed compared to vt2

miss that crafting system

[hollow jolt]

I mean what isn't lmao

[fresh reef]

I just want mats from selling weapons man

[hollow jolt]

Same

[fresh reef]

It's such an easy QoL

[solid bridge]

yall why psyker players so fucking salty ong

[hollow jolt]

Its so fucking awful on my Vet

[fresh reef]

God complex

[solid bridge]

XDDD

[fading iris]

because salt helps on the Imperium rations

[hollow jolt]

Vet is so gear dependent so I have like 50 different weapons

[ionic needle]

I miss red weapons!

[hollow jolt]

So many random white items on my vet lol

[opal pebble]

Red weapons were a thing?

[solid bridge]

well seems like bc well yeah i have a salt problem but it only hits when some one starts yaping

[hollow jolt]

In VT2

[ionic needle]

Let me combine like 10 370+ rolled greys into a red weapon

[opal pebble]

Ah

[left mirage]

max everything

max stats, max perks

[fading iris]

They could be a future thing in Darktide too, so be ready to have Hadron coming with vengeance

[left mirage]

and blessings used to not have levels

so you just roll for the blessing you want

[fading iris]

red being a 100% stat for maximum heretical cleasing

[ashen trellis]

whats our best melee horde clearing option?

[bitter escarp]

imagine how salty everyone would get if reds were relatively easy to access

all them overly enthusiastic mfs playing slot machines at brunt

[ionic needle]

They were pretty easy to get once you started running legend

[hollow jolt]

Illad

Or whatever its called

[bitter escarp]

illissisisiisi

[burnt mulch]

Is there a database for good builds I can browse?

[bitter escarp]

Iliad

that's the one

[hollow jolt]

Its basically budget power sword

[ionic needle]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds

[fresh reef]

The class vices are as follows

Veteran: victim complex
Zealot: narcissistic
Psyker: god complex
ogryn: savior complex

[fading iris]

that, youtube, there is a darktide build list too that it's always showing on the launcher

[hollow jolt]

So fucking true on the Vets

[bitter escarp]

former two blend together pretty often in clinical practice

[hollow jolt]

So much salt in Patch 13 lol

[left mirage]

god illisi feels so fuckin good

[burnt mulch]

The build i got from there was apparently not good xD

[hollow jolt]

Then they got giga-buffed in Patch 14

[burnt mulch]

Idk where the good builds are

[left mirage]

rending strike and slaughterer

god

[fresh reef]

Yknow I'm gonna be really honest

[ionic needle]

I mean yeah it's all user submitted builds so most of them will probably be trash, but filter by your class and get one with high upvotes that seems fun

[left mirage]

i hope they dont nerf it but they probably will

[fresh reef]

I was just trying to shit on Cadia

[fading iris]

Games Lantern is always doing God Emperor's work, that is something nice about the hobby, we like so much stats and lore, that almost every Warhammer game has a nice database site

[solid bridge]

gotta say the zealot was based for big chil but like gotta love the ur bad without any proof ( the salty bitch joined in (no me am the original salty bitch )

[ionic needle]

I use it as a repository for builds I want to try and not forget, so most of mine will probably be ass haha

[left mirage]

scrier's gaze and an illisi lets me threeshot headshot crushers with heavies

if it crits it goes down to two

[hollow jolt]

Really revealed how much the "experienced" Vets relied on 75% damage resist and Counterfire

[clear heath]

Today i found out there's variations for most enemies

[hollow jolt]

Its largely just "armor vs hp"

Like Dreg gunners have 200 hp more than scab gunners

[solid bridge]

but tbh this might be an euro thing no glue why we are so big assholes here

[frigid zenith]

Anyone who uses the phrase "my guy" is a fuck head.

[clear heath]

No i mean the models
Like there's 2 crusher models

Look at the helmet

[hollow jolt]

Ah ok

[clear heath]

one has red eyes

I never noticed this

[burnt mulch]

That’s what I did 😔 I still do lousy damage

[fresh reef]

And then they tried playing Assail/Void only to die to 2 poxwalkers because they still haven't learned how to melee

[hollow jolt]

Indeed I actually like that they're not all the same

[bitter escarp]

idk who it was but they put it well, that when the patch rolled out a lot of people were going to be mad about finding out that they weren't actually good at the game

[ionic needle]

What build did you get? What loadout do you want to run?

Might be skill issue too of course, but it's good making sure the build isn't dog shit too I guess

[hollow jolt]

Indeed, anyone good just went "hmm devil claw time" and just quietly went around with a helbore or recon

[fading iris]

the armor is different too

[burnt mulch]

I linked it earlier. Uh

[clear heath]

The reapers have horn variations too

and bulwarks

[burnt mulch]

Nope cant paste it anymore 😦

[fresh reef]

So is the rebar hammer

[hollow jolt]

I like how the maulers basically always stay the same

[solid bridge]

this is 99prosent accurate and i love it

[fading iris]

one is starting on the cult and the other one is really into Nurgle trying to get more blessings from the grandfather

[hollow jolt]

Don't need to change them if they're always ambushing 💪

[ionic needle]

Found it by searching, let me see

[burnt mulch]

It might be a skill issue lmao

Im not good at video games

[hollow jolt]

Don't worry, I ran into a level 289 Psyker earlier that died twice on an Auric damnation

[ionic needle]

Omg what's going on with the curios here

[fresh reef]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

[hollow jolt]

"Xbox player" :p

[ionic needle]

Damage resistance vs bombers, hounds and mutants??

[solid bridge]

for me its p much :sweat for hoomans and for our big men its shilling

[hollow jolt]

I didn't even realize there were lvl 100+ xbox players let alone a fucking 289 lol

[fading iris]

Don't worry, nobody are

[hollow jolt]

Cringe

[frigid zenith]

Last night we had a level 600 something zealot doing stealther zealot things in our AM, had to pick this fool up off the floor like 6 times.

[ionic needle]

Oh and tox flamers

[static needle]

What blessing do u want with surge on voidstrike staff?

[hollow jolt]

The only damage resist that matters for psyker is sniper and "maybe" gunner

[fresh reef]

Only toughness regen is the peril gain one

Fucking yucky

[ionic needle]

I usually go with 2x gunner, 1x sniper

[frigid zenith]

transfer peril, don't listen to everyone saying warp nexus.

[hollow jolt]

I'm typically not close enough for gunners to delete my toughness so its usually not that bad

[ionic needle]

Gunners can really fuck you up if you get caught out

[hollow jolt]

But I do use Deflector...

[fading iris]

"Sniper is dead!" -Me showing my assail tricks to my Beloved

[hollow jolt]

It does allow an interesting breakpoint if you run a +21% hp curio

[fading iris]

I want the phrase "CATCH THIS" on the voice line pool

[hollow jolt]

Depending on build of course

[frigid zenith]

Hit your headshots and everythings gonna be CCed anyways.

[static needle]

guessing that a voidstrike with surge and transfer peril wouldnt be to great to deal with hordes compared to warp nexus and flurry??

[fading iris]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTnFsuFSKVg

[hollow jolt]

Now you're getting it 💪💪💪

Unrelated, I play more ogryn than psyker

[frigid zenith]

It fucking deletes hordes.

[static needle]

Even with surge and transfer peril?

[fresh reef]

Sheodoq
Why the fuck is your weapon display not flush with the edge of the screen?

[static needle]

dang

[fresh reef]

Why are you this way?

[hollow jolt]

Not my video

[frigid zenith]

absolutly.

[fresh reef]

Thank fucking God

[ionic needle]

This is the voidstrike build I made a while ago, could probably use some changes but it should work and the curios are definitely better https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a75cba0-de7e-4ebe-86b9-5a575416605c/assail-voidstrike

[hollow jolt]

Someone was showing a potential advantage to running sniper resist

[frigid zenith]

Once you get to a certain point, hordes are litterally trivial.

[hollow jolt]

And was pretty compelling imo

[fading iris]

Sheodoq likes to see the wrists

[bitter escarp]

hordes are supposed to be trivial

[burnt mulch]

Im guessing brain burst isnt good?

[hollow jolt]

"Too easy? Bomber horde incoming"

[hollow jolt]

L-l-lewd~!

[bitter escarp]

in practice they end up enabling the bullshit responsible for wipes

[frigid zenith]

You want tranfer peril becasue you're going to have so much shit in your face you need to keep fireing , getting the headshots will get you alot more shit down range.

[ionic needle]

It's good, but voidstrike kind of fills the same niche since you can snipe targets with it

[fresh reef]

I fucking love playing the floor is lava because two bombers decided to spawn in the sniper rooms because fuck me in particular

[frigid zenith]

More shots = more overall damage and CC.

[bitter escarp]

man if you could punt the grenades away

just slide tackle it

[hollow jolt]

Yeah, thankfully constantly hopping makes you take FAR less damage

[static needle]

dont you mainly want it to keep scrier's gaze peril in check? cause if i wanna peril manage i can just run venting shriek

[hollow jolt]

With barrel fire, you can avoid damage entirely

[fresh reef]

Technically you can

[ionic needle]

I pair it with assail to thin out hordes before they reach me

[hollow jolt]

Its impractical to say the least lol

[ionic needle]

Which VS also does well so yeah

[fresh reef]

You can jump in front of the grenade to make it drop to the ground early

[bitter escarp]

headers lmao

[fresh reef]

I saw an Ogryn intentionally do that to keep our little holdout area safe

[bitter escarp]

chad

[frigid zenith]

No, fucking SG, if you're playing voidstrike you need to be pure voidstrike, almost all left side tree.

[fresh reef]

Absolute fucking Chad

[ionic needle]

I wish venting shriek would make the grenade bounce away

[bitter escarp]

idk how psyker shield interacts with it

[fresh reef]

Same as bodyblocking

[static needle]

https://youtu.be/wzJS85v80cQ?si=ALy-_PIXZUmPNWaq&t=48

[fading iris]

https://tenor.com/view/grenade-captain-america-jumping-gif-26551558

[bitter escarp]

but being that the bomber is possibly the rudest of the specials

probs bounce but fire still spreads into the bubble

[ionic needle]

Flamer fire stops on it so maybe bomber grenades do too?

[frigid zenith]

Don't listen to these fools, I outdamage them on the regular with pure voidstrike.

[fresh reef]

"Yeah, I'll flush em out" makes my blood boil

Almost as much as the soles of my shoes

[static needle]

so what would u personally replace with this staff?

[bitter escarp]

shoes stuck to floor

[fading iris]

speaking of crazy things, my feed on yt decided to show a channel that is using AI for pictures to tell the story of Warhammer 50K.

[fresh reef]

They do not

[ionic needle]

Too bad

50K? Did the Emperor wake up yet?

[glossy ember]

based gaze enjoyer-

no warp rider

[frigid zenith]

In that video, that dude has infested and unarmored for his perks, bro, you're gonna one shot all that shit anyways, why the fuck would you do that.

[fresh reef]

Mental sickness

[fading iris]

for the creator doing it, actually yes, he is back and with a lot of changes

[hollow jolt]

Emperor got betrayed by Rowboat and now we're in the Iron Cage 2 Electric Boogaloo

[frigid zenith]

Ideally you'd want surge over barrage, keep the nexus and use that until you roll one with transfer peril and surge.

[static needle]

any suggestions?

[static needle]

what would be ur second change?

carapace damage perk?

[fading iris]

the Creator made a "Humble comeback" for the Emperor since was a case of everything crashing down, he died and some time later cameback

[ionic needle]

Carapace is nice on VS I think yes

[frigid zenith]

Either keep maniac or go flak.

Probably flak.

Take a mk4 dualing sword for maniacs.

[static needle]

isnt illisi good for the same thing?

or am i wrong

[frigid zenith]

No.

illisi is a trap.

[hollow jolt]

Imagine how much shit could have been avoided if people knew he was a perpetual lol

[frigid zenith]

People like it becasue it has a sweep attack on heavy 1 that you can charge up and one hit hordes with.

[bitter escarp]

Illisi does everything but none of it particularly well

and it definitely isn't one-shotting a mutant

[frigid zenith]

Take either a mk4 dualing sword.

[hollow jolt]

I always called it a budget power sword for a reason

[fresh reef]

It does the power fantasy of magic sword the best, I think

[frigid zenith]

or a deimos.

[bitter escarp]

that is true

[glossy ember]

isnt that obscurus

[frigid zenith]

deomos with deflector.

[fading iris]

here, let me put on your feed too https://www.youtube.com/@Gothamite40k

[bitter escarp]

I find myself defaulting to Illisi when I want to play melee psyker

[hollow jolt]

It looks best with power sword effects imo

[frigid zenith]

deimos does the best damage by a long shot.

[bitter escarp]

but it is not a good complement to a void staff for dealing with the shit the void staff can't

[hollow jolt]

Forcesword cover + powersword lightning 😩

[fading iris]

sadly is a tiktok project so stuff is drip feed on seconds

[fresh reef]

Sorry to grammar nazi but this is killing me

Dual is two of something, duel is a 1 on 1 fight. It's a dueling sword

[static needle]

sooo mk iv duel sword?

[bitter escarp]

yep

void staff to delete the chaff

[static needle]

or what else?

[hollow jolt]

Secretly there's a twin-linked dueling sword renamed as dual sword UwU

[bitter escarp]

mk 4 dueling sword to clap mutants etc

[fresh reef]

I need it

[hollow jolt]

its a dueling sword duct taped to another dueling sword

[bitter escarp]

Zuko intensifies

[fresh reef]

I need it even more

[static needle]

doesnt the staff do that with the surge and warp nexus?

[frigid zenith]

1000 apologies, I normally and not such a dunce with grammar.

[glossy ember]

duelest sword

[bitter escarp]

mutants take extra melee damag

[hollow jolt]

am*

[fading iris]

dual wield weapons when

[frigid zenith]

Or a deimos with deflctor.

[hollow jolt]

[fresh reef]

The ergonomics have to be dogshit, but it's got twice the amount of stabby

[bitter escarp]

go try it in the psykhanium

[hollow jolt]

Sorry Rager exclusive

[frigid zenith]

omg.

[bitter escarp]

deimos does good damage but has crap control IME, and playing psyker in melee is already dicey

[static needle]

but like isnt void staff with nexus and surge kinda bad? i feel like itll be hella slow to use and kill elites with

idk tho

[frigid zenith]

Not even a little bit.

[bitter escarp]

less theory more testing

if you're skeptical of the advice you're getting

[frigid zenith]

My games with 1m+ damage have been with voidstrike and trauma.

[fresh reef]

It's very very good. It's just made redundant by True Aim, so Transfer and Surge is the better pairing

[static needle]

whats true aim

[frigid zenith]

I don't run mine with true aim.

[bitter escarp]

5 weak spot hits gets one crit

[frail sand]

doing pub AM is so fun

u never know what kind of teammates u are going to get

[bitter escarp]

I have a Warp Flurry/Transfer Peril staff from back before the Voidstrike became a Tau Railgun on a stick

and it still does serious work

[fresh reef]

Loner Zealot gaming?

[frail sand]

the good team once in a while is so fun and heartwarming

[frail sand]

no no this time its a compliment

[static needle]

so should i still use true aim in my build? @fresh reef

[fresh reef]

Rare pub W

[static needle]

if i run surge + nexus

[frigid zenith]

The very first verion of the voidstrike staff deleted everything, you'd sail one shot through a horde and most of them died to brainburst and crit.

They've really tuned down kinetic flayer.

[viscid fox]

What do I do for touch the void penance

[frigid zenith]

That used to trigger a lot more.

[fresh reef]

If you're running Surge/Nexus, then you can still run True Aim. Though I'd personally trust @frigid zenith's takes more

[static needle]

okay im kinda on the fence here.... Should I wait until i get transfer peril and then change the staff's 2 blessings to those... OR should I just replace terrifying barrage with surge and add the carapace armor dmg perk?

[bitter escarp]

I had it back when you had to really heave to get it to kill gunners

[static needle]

thats my final question xD

[static needle]

Here is the roll for reminder:

[bitter escarp]

honestly you're overthinking the fuck out of this

[static needle]

yea i know xD

[bitter escarp]

if you have transfer peril and surge the perks are window dressing

[glossy ember]

can't you change the blessing again anyway

so you can experiment

[bitter escarp]

yep, you can keep changing the blessings, you're not permanently locked into the blessing

[static needle]

what??

really?

[bitter escarp]

it's the slots that you change that are locked

[glossy ember]

Just change terrifying barrage to something, test it out

then see what you wanna do

[bitter escarp]

as in, if you change one perk and one blessing slot, you can only edit those slots in future

[glossy ember]

change TB to literally anything to begin with

doesnt matter what you choose it'll be stronger than tb

[frigid zenith]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a9a83e1-ca4e-4e5b-8482-491e54769f72 This is similar to what I'd want to run ideally.

[static needle]

but then i cant change it back, according to @bitter escarp's logic

[bitter escarp]

what

no

[ionic needle]

I'd say you should keep the perks and just go with surge + transfer peril

[static needle]

.

[bitter escarp]

as in, you can't edit other slots, but you can edit those slots all you want

[viscid fox]

what does this mean?

[static needle]

im misunderstanding like hell xD

[frigid zenith]

I don't bother with carapace damage on voidstike staff, you'll get more mileage from flak.

[fresh reef]

No quietude?

[bitter escarp]

so you can keep changing those blessing slots to whatever you find down the line

if you're suspicious, try reblessing Terrifying Barrage to something else

and then reblessing that something else

[frigid zenith]

Whoops, fucked it up. Here we go. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a9a83e1-ca4e-4e5b-8482-491e54769f72

[static needle]

so which one gets locked? the other one that i dont replace?

[frigid zenith]

I don't run it, but if you wanted I'd drop empathic evasion for it.

[ionic needle]

I'd go with this instead tbh

[fading iris]

Yes

[ionic needle]

Nvm, fucked up, remove wildfire and go with perilous combustion

[fresh reef]

If anything I'd think to drop the 5% toughness DR

[silk hawk]

That means u need to kill a monstrosity basically solo, using only bb

[frigid zenith]

Perilous combustion is non-negotiable.

That's as ass load of damage.

[viscid fox]

oki ty can i do it in private game?

[ionic needle]

Yeah so this then

[fresh reef]

I still can't believe there are some people who think combustion is bad

[frigid zenith]

Gotta dip to get the 5% crit at the bottom.

[silk hawk]

I think u can, althou idk if it's bugged or not

Some penance are doable only with basic version of bb

[frigid zenith]

And kinetic flayer is also a must for me.

[ionic needle]

Maybe sacrifice warp damage on crit for the 5% crit?

I think kinetic flayer is a trap

Will mostly proc on shit mobs that you'd oneshot anyway, not worth it for those few times it pops a crusher

[fresh reef]

Drop battle meditation. You're already getting plenty of passive quelling from Transfer

[frigid zenith]

It's REALLY not.

[fading iris]

[vestal fulcrum]

So, why do you think it is a viable point to spend?

[silk hawk]

U can skip 2 talents on your ability, not gonna lose much...

[frigid zenith]

Becasue it's what I use and it explodes more crushers than people tnink.

[static needle]

What blessings should i run on the mk iv sword?

[frigid zenith]

I've netted 1.4m damage with that build.

[vestal fulcrum]

Like, which one? Force, Catachan, Duelling?

[static needle]

duel

[frigid zenith]

Dual dueling sowrds.

[vestal fulcrum]

Uncanny and Riposte/Precog/Rampage

Pick the second blessing to taste

[silk hawk]

Uncanny + shed for single orientation, uncanny + rampage for hordes, but it gonna suck at horde clears anyways...

[vestal fulcrum]

Uncanny is the only one that's "mandatory"

[frigid zenith]

As long as it has the maniac perk it REALLY doesn't matter what's on the mk4.

[static needle]

my primary is voidstrike staff with surge + warp nexus

[summer prairie]

maniac only matters if you care about mutant one-shots, which I think are a bit overrated

[ionic needle]

It's so much fun oneshotting mutants with sword though

[vestal fulcrum]

This can be either something incredibly good or outright terrible

[bitter escarp]

with rampage it becomes pretty serviceable

[ionic needle]

RAAAAAA-
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