psyker-class

[silk hawk]

• it drops them on the ground if u headshot with thrust

[untold niche]

goddam

[silk hawk]

For big range use bb, later on when u get used to build u can try assail instead many people like it

Personally i dont...

[solar sand]

i would either start on assail

or never use it

cause once you use anything else theres no reason to uise

aside from the easy of use, no other reason to use assail as it doesnt do anything better than anything else imo

good for leveling i suppose

void still good, but not busted like it used to be

after damnmael

[untold niche]

@silk hawk

[bitter escarp]

Assail is responsible for turning psykers into meme vets

[solar sand]

15% free damage

i have near 100% up time on that

[bitter escarp]

the kind who lose a fight to the scanning objective in melee

[untold niche]

yeah but, in his build, doesn't rapture insta kill stuffs alr
I don't think 15% on rapture is going to change thresholds right
unless staff damage is counted as warp

[solar sand]

yes

[bitter escarp]

lotta people need to drop difficulties and build up melee fundamentals again

[spice veldt]

everything that generates peril to be used counts as a warp attack (so far)

[solar sand]

everything but guns and melee (baring special hits) is warp damage

[spice veldt]

and including Soulblaze

[silk hawk]

Warp dmg bonus apply to you soulblaze stacks, bcuz well, its warp dmg type

Means u are killing all elites 15% faster

[untold niche]

i see thanks!

[solar sand]

i take most of the top tree, the toughness regen it gives is crazy

[silk hawk]

He can get more in top tree if he will go for empowered psionics instead of wc

[solar sand]

not sure about mettle though

[bitter escarp]

WC is stupid high investment yeah

no need for that many bloody nodes

[silk hawk]

They should like merge 4 nodes into 2 in wc tree, idk

[silk hawk]

If u want more from top tree u can go empowered psionics or u can ditch last talent in wc tree

[untold niche]

wc? u mean ws?

warp siphon?

[solar sand]

old names of things

but yes

[near wyvern]

You can skip the toughness gained for peril gen, it's not that strong. 25% toughness for full peril bar, so you can take something else if you wish.

[solar sand]

nah im good

i feel it

i like being a regen tank

[obtuse moth]

but you could get toughness just getting free quell

which would let you kill more things with warp atacks which would generate more toughness on top of the passive quell toughness you get

[solar sand]

where do i get more damage by taking it off?

[obtuse moth]

was referring to this screenshot

[solar sand]

i guess im confused what you're refering to

or what you mean

oh the 10%

idk idm peril

[worthy scaffold]

First ever near perfect

[summer prairie]

Battle meditation doesn't do much on average when you already have soulstealer, in terms of toughness gen

[solar sand]

ive tried battle med and unless im doing smite horde clear i dont like it

i dont like inconsistent things

hence why i dont use gaze or dd

[obtuse moth]

if you're horde clearing 50+ enemies its pretty consistent

[solar sand]

but on a surge or even void i dont care for it

which is what i do most of the time

[obtuse moth]

i like it most on purge

[solar sand]

and purg i never have peril issues

[obtuse moth]

fair

[solar sand]

hardly gens any peril

though to be fair i only use purg up to 4s as its my speed build

so if i was min maxing it for damn/auric then maybe

for damn/auric i use smite/surge/void

[obtuse moth]

i take it for the movement speed but i always have crit weapons or true aim

quell on kill had more value before when warp flurry instantly dropped the second you quelled

[solar sand]

its usually stacked but, when you're slowed by casting/cleansing i dont feel it

and it doesnt last outside of combat long enough

[obtuse moth]

so you could keep up your flurry stacks

[tame venture]

dang, so the weapon skins for the staves can be applied regardless of type

[solar sand]

i had a mini heart attack once

[tame venture]

what would the the most confusing pair to mix up

[solar sand]

thought i sharded my near perfect surge staff

cause i applied a voidstrike skin to it by mistake

[tame venture]

void and purge?

or just swapping trauma and void staff skins?

[rough cedar]

which is one better to use

[solar sand]

quell speed is pretty big

thats probably like 10% difference

[tame venture]

and exactly 15% difference

[solar sand]

60-80 is nearly 20% or something

[glossy ember]

depends on the blesisngs and perks you'll get. Right one is suable if you switch ranged damage vs groaners and terrifying barrage

left one could end up being a dud

[rough cedar]

what blessing and perk should i try to get on these staff?

[solar sand]

heres what (near) 80s looks like

[glossy ember]

replace terrifying barrage with warp flurry and damage on groaners with carapace or maniacs

[tame venture]

isn't maniacs overall more enemy types?

[solar sand]

id go flak or maniac

[glossy ember]

he already got flac

[solar sand]

oh im blind

mania

as you only get cara on one single enemy

since no headshots

[glossy ember]

flamethrower specials, mutant, maniacs ragers

[bleak tulip]

maniac is like 4 enemies, only like two of which have noteworthy amounts of health

[rough cedar]

alr tyvm that really helped d

[glossy ember]

My no maniac staff 1 crits flamers and 1crit + 1 normal maniac ragers

[tame venture]

i swear i see more dreg ragers than scabs. dregs are maniac but scabs are ...carapace?

[glossy ember]

no

[tame venture]

no that's crushers

yeah

[glossy ember]

carapace is only crusher

i havent done surge staff breakpoints with maniacs unyielding yet

[solar sand]

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Heretics#Hordes id suggest looking at this, to see what all uses what for armor

[glossy ember]

didng have time yday

[solar sand]

if you havent already

[glossy ember]

[bleak tulip]

[tame venture]

so aside from mauler heads and crushers, and a few spots on reapers it feels like there's not much carapace going around

but i'll check that

[glossy ember]

still worth imo since that helps with lowering the shots needed on it, while might not for rager/flamers/mutie

[glossy ember]

bulwark arm

[tame venture]

bulwark boots are carapace

[solar sand]

yeah i previously had cara on mine but i took it off as i dont think you need it if you're using empowered which i have been

[bleak tulip]

arms too

[solar sand]

2 shots without

[glossy ember]

i mean

[solar sand]

so otherwise yeah

[glossy ember]

empowered is bound to get removed so i wouldnt get used to that

[solar sand]

actually

i bet they keep it, just without infinite usage

[glossy ember]

nah

too advantageous for a single weapon

[solar sand]

cause surge without it could use a tiny bit of help id argue

i think surge is the weakest of the main 3 without it

[glossy ember]

surge does fine with flaming shriek

it's not that awful

[solar sand]

no not bad at all but

[glossy ember]

what it needs is stable damage values though because rmb feels rng at times

and more base carapace damage tbh. You can leave unyielding as its weakness

or opposite but that'd be weird, still not unwelcome

[solar sand]

yeah even empowered it deals mid damage to bosses

mk4 or BR does more

[glossy ember]

yea

[solar sand]

even having gotten stuck with unyeild

[glossy ember]

still good

rip unyielding tho

[tame venture]

🤔 how does the unyielding damage look with that

[glossy ember]

I'd ditch crit chance for flak, should help you reach lower breakpoints with maulers

[tame venture]

still garbo or just "eh"?

[solar sand]

eventually i will

[glossy ember]

as well as yellow gunner

[solar sand]

but like i said im currently a happy bug abuser when i use surge lol

[glossy ember]

[glossy ember]

Probably not that huge of a diff.

[tame venture]

i'm sure

[solar sand]

i go from doing ok damage to, slightly more ok damage

[tame venture]

i think that's alright

[solar sand]

but i run BR for staves so thats better so i use that on bosses instead

[glossy ember]

reapers need 2 crits to get 3 shot by surge staff without unyielding, at 6 warp stacks and 5 perfect timing stacks

so you probably just need one crit

not great

[tame venture]

i'd be fine with "non optimal" stuff

[glossy ember]

not the worst thing in the world tho

you still lower a breakpoint

[tame venture]

it's the "non functional" stuff that gets me

[glossy ember]

surge is functional with blessings pretty much

[solar sand]

im pretty sure that staff had like sprint and supression on kill when i first made it

[glossy ember]

f

[tame venture]

unrelated, but is a +reload perk ever worth spending the slot on? overall, not just psyker

[summer prairie]

if surge wasn't so good, sustained fire would be pretty good on a voidstrike because you get it with every charged shot as long as you charge to >50% or so

[tame venture]

kickback seems like the textbook example, but reload is the dump stat on it

[solar sand]

8% reload is meh, 25% damage is huge

[glossy ember]

kickback is incredibly overtuned tho

kickback by itself is strong than EP surge lol

[tame venture]

well, rumbler would be my other suggestion, but you don't wanna waste ammo on it

stubbers i guess?

human shotguns?

revolver?

idk

[glossy ember]

doubt it

stubbers have charmed reload

[tame venture]

charmed reload isn't great because they have poor crit stats

[glossy ember]

still better than losing 25% damage imo if you need the sustained fire

lucky bullet should be enough for crits

or well to sustain charmed reload at least

[tame venture]

...lucky bullet is even worse mang

[glossy ember]

i know i know meta is to run fnp with ranged build

[solar sand]

so you can put weakspot damage on a surge staff, but not +reload

[tame venture]

it's a tiny percent chance

[solar sand]

both are worthless

[glossy ember]

18% total over a 100 bullet mag or something

[solar sand]

well left click

not that anyone uses it

[tame venture]

how exactly would you reload your brain

or a metal pole

lol

[glossy ember]

it'd be nice if it affected quell speed

[fading shoal]

What is the dump stat of surge staff? Crit bonus, charge rate, or quell speed? I am seeing multiple answers online

[solar sand]

also not BiS but this is so underrated

[summer prairie]

warp resistance is a better dump stat than quell speed on a surge staff

[glossy ember]

warp res for sure

low variance on warp res

[solar sand]

id be lying if i said i felt the .06 seconds

[glossy ember]

massive variance on quell speed

[solar sand]

especially with flurry

but universally resistance is the main dump stat

i wouldnt want it at 20 but

60 is fine

[glossy ember]

You can get away with 70~ crit too, i think it's close to 20% crit rate

[solar sand]

its usually like 1-2 peril difference

[fading shoal]

first roll at brunt's lets goooo

https://i.imgur.com/td2bg8x.jpg

could be better but I restarted leveling up psyker

[solar sand]

80 compared to 51

[glossy ember]

now gamba

[solar sand]

5% or so, meh

[frail sand]

so many gunkers in auric

[bleak tulip]

revolver good

[glossy ember]

thats a whole crit rate perk

[bleak tulip]

and psyker gets one of the most borked crit talents

[solar sand]

thats damage, not chance

[bleak tulip]

not super surprising people caught on

[solar sand]

i get an extras 2-5% crit damage

[summer prairie]

Chance too

[bleak tulip]

you get like 5% chance at the bottom yeah

[solar sand]

?

is this not the special?

[summer prairie]

It's a typo

[glossy ember]

see bottom text

it's chance

it's a typo

[potent echo]

Yea it's just a typo

[glossy ember]

it's not melee it's crit rate

[fallen osprey]

Hey, I saw you were discuting about foe type, I did this if it can help :

[potent echo]

Not for real melee

It's like revolver

[bleak tulip]

ENNEMIS

[potent echo]

There's already a list floating around online in the jsat discord

[fallen osprey]

Ah sorry, my original version is not in english, I did it for a french discord

[potent echo]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PtPcw4m4YtO_IcEkFlJJOBVWCYDEIeCKJRYLT4SmLc0/htmlview

[tame venture]

flack seems so widespread, it seems like it's the best option

[potent echo]

But it's in English

[solar sand]

usually, and it helps for horde enemies

[bleak tulip]

https://imgur.com/a/DqmYpV1//layout/grid

[glossy ember]

wow, surge staff got cucked on reaper wtf

[solar sand]

shooters and the dudes with bucket heads

[glossy ember]

that's bullshit

[tame venture]

i'll be honest, it sounded like it was intentionally misspelled for a joke 😭

[fallen osprey]

And I'll be honest, it wasnt 😛

[tame venture]

just claim it was totally intentional for the internet points

[potent echo]

Unarmored?

[fallen osprey]

Should be better, let me know if you see another typo !
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1iJWcFqVHUC7OFAHHbBz5xalMEqkPV_NPh478ys1lokU/edit?usp=sharing

[tame venture]

actually dumb idea, but if there were a pair of (exclusive) talents to either:
increase peril pool, but decrease quell rate
or
increase quell rate, but decrease peril pool
which would you take?

[glossy ember]

increase peril pool

one more shot > quelling faster.

[potent echo]

I'll take a cursing that never lets me passive quell

Warp rider at max baby

[fallen osprey]

Probably Peril pool on any critical build because of blessing 😄

[tame venture]

scryers gaze may be funny

[plucky flax]

Gazer.

[glossy ember]

love da gaze

[potent echo]

But passive quell and you not at 100 anymore

Poo

[summer prairie]

From that j_sat discord spreadsheet

uhuh

[fallen osprey]

xD

[glossy ember]

sounds wrong

[solar sand]

i notice it on mutants

[potent echo]

Lmao who let that pass through

[solar sand]

but i usually dont run BR on damn, or dont use it at least (unless dog or trapper or something i can prep a charge for)

[bleak tulip]

all I remember is kinetic flayer being able to trigger on BB a while back

[fluid knot]

I dont even think its the talent, just Handcannon is broken as fuck due to the Rending changes

[bleak tulip]

maybe thats what got mistaken for a crit

I mean yeah but on psyker you ALSO get free crits

which is how I suspect there is so many revolver psykers lately

[potent echo]

That never comes out

[fluid knot]

For sure, but them free crits alone arent super OP or anything, its the interactions it has with other stuff

[potent echo]

Just assail with 80% rending

Top dps again man they must be so good

[glossy ember]

BB with 80% rending

time to get a handcanon

[fluid knot]

I had flu the last week, played a game using Assail an Revolver, died 4 times because i couldnt concentrate.. still topped damage by x3 what anyone else put out

Assail/HC combo is broken as heck

[fluid knot]

Bb cant crit

So that dont work

[rough cedar]

worth buying?

[fallen osprey]

get Uncanny strike 4 yes

[glossy ember]

isnt rending separate from crit

oh

nvm

[fluid knot]

Not in the case of Handcannon no because it procs on crit

[glossy ember]

rip

[fallen osprey]

Yes but Critical ignore a part of the armor on any weapon, and with HC blessing it's even better

[rough cedar]

as in take the blessing for future use or its usable

[fallen osprey]

Take the blessing, the weapon isnt great itself, you can get a better one easily

[wet belfry]

I think people just arent that good either at general in producing dps

[fallen osprey]

about HC, I feel like it should do damage to armor somehow, if not, it'll become of little use again

[fluid knot]

Some are. But people dont mess about with the kits on their own that often an just go with what people tell them is good, which really is gonna fuck them over long term

[wet belfry]

I personally belive that being able to constantly understand the best positioning to maximize dps is a pretty big advantage

Same with understanding the correct weapon for the right situation.

[potent echo]

HC itself is fine, but it should not affect other weapons in your loadout

[fallen osprey]

Which blessing are you talking about ?

[potent echo]

Handcannon from revolver affects your entire loadout currently

[fallen osprey]

The critical chance on melee kills ?

[potent echo]

So your melee and blitz will get free 80% rending on crit

[fallen osprey]

Oh. Indeed

[potent echo]

Yea it's busted

That's why you keep a revolver with handcannon in your pocket while your throw assail with true aim

Killing maulers and crushers left and right

[fallen osprey]

So damn stupid, I never tried to abuse shard on crusher when I run HC for obvious reason but ... Yes, I see how you can abuse of that.

[vestal fulcrum]

You still need to throw a lot of shards to kill one Mauler, though

[potent echo]

Yea because carapace still breaks your shards

[vestal fulcrum]

Often times you will get better results by just whipping out your staff (*not Purgatus) or Gun and shooting the bastard to its death

[bleak tulip]

man either those guys suck on average or they werent abusing it in my games then because the last 5 revolver psykers didnt even outdamage me

[fallen osprey]

Not really, 1 k+ damage VS 200 without HC

[vestal fulcrum]

But you are still relying on Crit to do that

[fallen osprey]

Which is about 2-3 throw with True Aim

[vestal fulcrum]

And yes, I know True Aim is a thing

[fallen osprey]

And not counting on natural crit

[vestal fulcrum]

But it's still a very attention heavy action and I'd rather do something else with my time

[clear heath]

wdym attention heavy? throwing assails?

they hit heads for you

[fallen osprey]

not really, even if you just spam, 1/3, or 1/4 shard 'll be crit. So it does increased your damage by a LARGE amount. Especially if you consider not only crusher but any flak armor you hit

[vestal fulcrum]

Like, yes, you have a revolver. Why not shoot the Mauler?

It will die quicker

IF you can spare the ammo that is

[clear heath]

too attention heavy

just throw shards

kill 3 maulers

[vestal fulcrum]

xd

Okay, I see where this is going.

[fallen osprey]

We are not talking about that. But even if you don't TRY to abuse, it affects your damage.

[potent echo]

Ok I raised mauler as a bad example I'm sorry

[plucky flax]

[icy veldt]

whats the best staff?

[split plume]

surge for me

[spice veldt]

oh no

[shadow parrot]

I've been having great fun with surge, but I've been seeing a lot of void and purge lately

[solar sand]

id argue void is best overall, surge best usability, purg best horde clear

but all are within 10-20% of each other id say

[low carbon]

I think that depends on what you're trying to do

[plucky flax]

Interesting no trauma comes up.

Bad staff pls buff.

[icy veldt]

which is the most similiar to trauma? i liked it alot, want something simliar but stronger

[solar sand]

void

[low carbon]

Trauma's got the best CC, followed closely by purgation/surge. Surge is probably the most flexible.

[solar sand]

less aoe, but more cleave

and weakspot damage

[potent echo]

Damn purg staff is just the worst ||please read this fatshark dev||

[plucky flax]

[low carbon]

I'm not sure I agree. The left click on purgation has very good stopping power, and it basically cancels hordes.

[solar sand]

the stagger on purge is on the level of smite

you just dont get the spread

[plucky flax]

Let me know when you find something similar to trauma but stronger.

[icy veldt]

so void and smite would be a good combo

[low carbon]

I think voidstrike is the one I like the least, even if it does have great damage.

[solar sand]

eh

[potent echo]

Please don't let them know idk how I'm going to handle my lmb being nerfed

[solar sand]

void horde clear is already insane

dont need smite with it

[bleak tulip]

smite isnt horde clear, its CC

been running void smite for a few days and its nice to have

[potent echo]

It alr got ninja nerfed as it doesn't work on crushers anymore

[low carbon]

Man, I recently learned of the Surge+EP bug

[split plume]

void or trauma? LOL i would still go with void

[solar sand]

empowered smite is actually really good horde clear

[bleak tulip]

not really

[solar sand]

best blitz for it easily

[bleak tulip]

still poor damage

[low carbon]

So I switched my build to Warp Siphon

[solar sand]

not against horde enemies

[bleak tulip]

everything kills horde enemies

[split plume]

that bug with smite....its crazy strong

[low carbon]

And I am just gonna say that even with the bug, Warp Siphon absolutely knocks it out of the park.

[bleak tulip]

and with EP you miss out on damage on everything else

[icy veldt]

which pairs best with smite then? sorry ive only used trauma b4 lol, im guessing surge

[solar sand]

surge

but

[low carbon]

My Smite staff has the increased cast on chained, and increasing crit chance, which pairs really well with the peril reduction.

[solar sand]

void maybe to deal with big stuff

[low carbon]

'Cause your chains get longer and you spend longer on high peril

[solar sand]

but then just use mk4

[fallen osprey]

Smite is made to stay on Mourningstar

[solar sand]

everything kinda carries over into everything else

[icy veldt]

im sick of assial and i dont like brain rupture

[split plume]

is there anyway to check your total crit rate?

[solar sand]

not without mods or math

[bleak tulip]

nothing particularily specifically pairs with smite, its just nice to have in general
idk dont bring it on purg because you probably want some range option

[fallen osprey]

Yes, scoreboard plugin

[solar sand]

purge and smite do the same purpose so i wouldnt pair them

[bleak tulip]

void or trauma then for longer range, smite mixed hordes and use creeping flame to kill em while you hold em

try that I guess

[low carbon]

I think surge staff is thought to have a crit rate of ~20% base? So with talents, aura and blessings you can make it a coin flip.

[split plume]

thanks bro

[void pasture]

Man I hope they fix the Surge bug soon, people in lobbies just assume I'm bug abusing but it honestly just melts even with warp charges

[low carbon]

Yeah it's annoying, because I really love the staff. It's so fun to use.

[solar sand]

warp siphon just makes anything good honestly

24% damage with near 100% up time

[plucky flax]

Mfw I have to clarify myself.

[icy veldt]

time to use sword for the first time :c

[low carbon]

I think my only contention with it is it lowkey encourages you to not use your ult. That's fine if you are running venting shriek but it's bad teamwork if you're running bubble.

[bleak tulip]

you get charges so fast just use it

[solar sand]

on heresy^ or damnation you get stacks so fast it doesnt matter

but below that yeah

[low carbon]

I agree, but I still notice that behaviour happening.

[bleak tulip]

CDR is the whole point of the keystone

[worthy dune]

Finesse is a lil low but this is p good aint it?

[potent echo]

Perks and blessings are more important

[low carbon]

I dunno man I think CDR is by far the least alluring feature of the keystone.

[bleak tulip]

its the prominent one though by design is the point

[potent echo]

Creeping flames every 15 seconds is kinda crazy

[bleak tulip]

no amount of complaining will bring back the old days of infinite stacks

[low carbon]

Yeah, that's fine, but honestly for the bubble the abiltiy would be stronger with no CDR

[potent echo]

Infinite stacks??

[bleak tulip]

well infinite upkeep on em

you get what I eman

[potent echo]

Oh yea

[void pasture]

Yup, I hate using Voidstrike and Purgatus. So I just rotate between Surge and Trauma. Both are so much more fun to play imo

[bleak tulip]

people complaining that the charges get removed when you get em back within the cooldown you just used is just kinda asinine

or they play with such chads that steal al the elites

[idle bay]

We must suggest a new DS skin - with Marshmellows on it's pointy end - just for SOulfire builds

[solar sand]

for me void got way more fun the more i used it and got used to it, idk how much you used it but might apply as well

void has a small, but existent learning curve

and i just recently came to love purg

[icy veldt]

new staff dropped

[low carbon]

I used void as my main staff for so long I am kind of sick of it. Purgation is kinda fun though, but surge just has that strong palpatine energy I didn't know my life was missing.

[frail sand]

my issue with purg is that i have to rely on teammates more to clear specials/elites fast

[solar sand]

i just whip out mk4 or BR to take care of them

[frail sand]

it's fantastic when teammates can deal with specials etc fast, helps deal with the trash so they can better focus their attention

[solar sand]

while all hordes disappear

once i got used to that loop it became my favorite

[vagrant hollow]

does this talent increase dmg of this talent?

[solar sand]

increases soulblaze damage so it should

as soulblaze is warp damage

[halcyon creek]

But is it a warp “Attack”?

[bleak tulip]

yes

[fallen osprey]

Yes it does

[bleak tulip]

all SB is warp attack

[halcyon creek]

Oh, okay

[low carbon]

Warp attacks are all staff attacks except bonks, blitzes and power sword specials, I believe.

Oops, didn't mean that as a reply to trev, meant it for voidstrike enjoyer.

[bleak tulip]

yeah dw I am very aware

I usually just go with "everything psykers do thats blue or purple is probably warp attack"

[low carbon]

Yeah basically

I always forget that the staff special action exists, and then I remember it and spend like a minute bonking everything instead of shooting it.

[bleak tulip]

at least it staggers ragers now

[low carbon]

Really?

[wet belfry]

Force sword specials are warp attacks

[wheat quartz]

siblings, is revolver still the best gun

[solar sand]

its one of the better headshot guns, and its damage is nutty, so it benefits a lot from DD (or siphon) making it i suspect one of it not the best overall for pysker

[onyx sentinel]

this a good enough base? I use trauma for armors anyway

[solar sand]

are you using for heavy single, or light cleave?

either way should be fine

but a high pen one or one with a rend blessing 2-3 hits crushers

[onyx sentinel]

well heavies for sniping muties and lights for hording

[solar sand]

this does plenty of damage and its far from ideal

53 shouldnt make too big a difference

from 69

[wheat quartz]

I use this and it's pretty nice

[solar sand]

heres stats at 69

[wet belfry]

69 penetration is very ideal

[frail sand]

nice

[potent echo]

nice

[solar sand]

is there any benefit to t4 uncanny, other than needing basically one less stack?

[onyx sentinel]

here's another decent one but both damage and finese are the lowest lol

[wheat quartz]

I wish the dueling sword could parry

[solar sand]

i could be wrong but

the special seems uh

useless

[wheat quartz]

it comes out so fast you can add it in between heavy spam for basically no cost in time

it staggers stuff

[solar sand]

does it stagger anything the heavy doesnt?

ive always ignored the special so i dont really know what it does

[spice veldt]

ragers during their combos, crushers (preferably hit their head to deal more stagger), etc.

[onyx sentinel]

holy you're right it outright cancels a heavy's backswing

[near wyvern]

special heavy heavy in full glory, you can also special heavy special heavy spam to keep mutants, crushers, ragers, maulers staggered for as long as you want
https://streamable.com/r274a7

[wet belfry]

Whats that weapon in your ranged slot?

[near wyvern]

columnus with dumdum 4 and fire frenzy 4, I use dagger just recorded this one with a duelling sword for those who don't know what to do with ds special

[wet belfry]

Wonderful

[wheat quartz]

what do you use on your knife?

out of curiosity

uncanny + ?

[near wyvern]

uncanny strike 4 and flesh tearer 4

does nice monstrosity DPS

[wheat quartz]

makes sense

[onyx sentinel]

crazy, guarantees two headshots too and stops it from hitting the bloke behind you

am gonna miss the guaranteed L1H2 kill from deimos though

[near wyvern]

yup

I mean Deimos can kill with just H2

and with enough uncanny and slaughterer stacks it also seems to kill on chain L1

[onyx sentinel]

can H2 kill from behind?

[near wyvern]

yes

[onyx sentinel]

tf

[near wyvern]

you just need to hit the head through the back

weakspots have prio so if you hit body & weakspot hit box it counts as weakspot

[potent echo]

For mutants? Yea you can fish for it

Aim at where the head would be on the other side

[onyx sentinel]

huh I think I'm just not hitting the breakpoint, I know the tech to hit the head from the back

[near wyvern]

you just need big enough hurt box for the weapon, which for Deimos is longer than an Ogryn's dong

[onyx sentinel]

or maybe I'm not doing it properly

[near wyvern]

@onyx sentinel do you have +25 maniac and are you using the warp rider talent (for +10% at 0% peril)?

[onyx sentinel]

I have a T3 maniac

[near wyvern]

even +20 maniac should do unless you have a very shitty roll

[onyx sentinel]

time to roll a new deimos ig

[solar sand]

almost a really interesting spread

[near wyvern]

318 total, nothing to see here

[solar sand]

everything being 80 or 40 i mean

[near wyvern]

that is true

[solar sand]

not cause its any good

[steady edge]

is that 80% dmg the thing you look for?

[near wyvern]

but it would be funnier to see some stat 0 and rest 80 xD

[steady edge]

this game's RNG with weapons is total shit

like real bad

Outriders bad

[near wyvern]

you don't need 80% roll on damage on anything

[glossy ember]

and how do you know that, sir

[solar sand]

man im so unlucky with knifes

[glossy ember]

[steady edge]

ok good

[near wyvern]

sigh... hmb

[steady edge]

I didn't think so

[frail sand]

no no, u gotta take it to the golden brick

can't give up half way now

[solar sand]

oh i just found that in the store

a knife was my first 380

and it was a shit roll

on my vet nor my pysker have i found a really good roled knife, even just base stats wise

[steady edge]

what would you consider a good knife?

[near wyvern]

@glossy ember https://streamable.com/3g0cwl

[solar sand]

75-80 on all but dump

[steady edge]

if you're looking for that AND good perks good luck

[solar sand]

its the one weapon thats truly evaded me

[steady edge]

combat knife is easy

[solar sand]

ive bought at least 30 on my vet

[steady edge]

perks don't matter but stam is nice. stack bleed

[solar sand]

just base stats i mean, not even perks/blessings

[potent echo]

This has +maniac on it?

[steady edge]

this game was not made to require that

[near wyvern]

yes

[steady edge]

and thank goodness

[near wyvern]

perks do matter, if you have one with +maniac and +unyielding it's going to be so much better at dispatching mutants and boss DPS

because +armour perks scale multiplicatively with everything

[steady edge]

of course they matter but one does not have to min/max\

I'm not going to argue it, if you play well none of thjat mattersd

[near wyvern]

to get a functional one? sure, not needed, but it does make quite a difference when you start going into auric damantions if you have your loadout properly set

[solar sand]

yeah knife isnt something im planning to take into speed 3s

i want it for a stealth damn build on my vet

[near wyvern]

I use knife at auric damnation, perfectly usable

[steady edge]

knife zealot is OP, imo

[glossy ember]

I meant how did you know it's specifically as long as an ogryn's dong. not the other part

[steady edge]

well not OP but actually balanced well

[near wyvern]

smh

I said longer

[glossy ember]

[solar sand]

well you know what they say about big feet

"they say damn, you got some big feet"

[near wyvern]

let me put it this way, if Ogryn's dong was longer than Deimos, we would have seen it, look at the size of their legs and the size of the sword

[steady edge]

why does sire milk hate me so much

[near wyvern]

cause his real name is Sour Milk

not Sire Melk

[steady edge]

Shower Monty?

[solar sand]

anyone know the meter range of shriek? too lazy to walk to pyscar

[steady edge]

Why does Hardon hate me?

All I do is their bidding

[solar sand]

how many times have you prayed to the omnisiah today?

[steady edge]

Pray? Payer? Religion is Heresy....

[glossy ember]

maybe they got very special pants that hides the truth

[solar sand]

i dont think you know how this works lol

[steady edge]

Enlighten me

[solar sand]

this isnt 30k

[steady edge]

oh shit u right

41k

[solar sand]

indomidus is mentioned so i think its like mid m42

[sturdy dagger]

its beautiful

[steady edge]

I'm on book 2 of the Horus Heresy

That hammer gibs pox walkers

SO GOOD

I dunno if I can finish another 52 books because these Astartes cunts are so AROGANT

[solar sand]

like legit #2 or your second one?

[steady edge]

Yes

So arrogant

I kinda hate them./.....

[near wyvern]

30m

[solar sand]

no way

[steady edge]

It's so obvious but they're like "omg we're so big and strong how could we be decieved"

[near wyvern]

@solar sand you can find answer to 99% of your questions in The Psyker Atheneum

[steady edge]

Yet they get dunked on bu Erebus

pls

[solar sand]

oh youll like the ending to betrayer

[steady edge]

Oh so it gets better?

I'm struggling to relate....

[solar sand]

horus rising is supposed to be good but uh

reading all the HH

no one does that

there are some real bangers but

only like 10-15

of the 60 something

[steady edge]

two books in and I kinda hate the characters for how dumb and arrogant they are

Tale as old as time....

[solar sand]

try helsreach

[rigid rune]

what do I do with this

[solar sand]

its stand alone

the HH series

while important

isnt what id entirely focus on

def not all of it

ive only read

6 HH novels

but 20 total

[steady edge]

kinda like the Brothers of the Snake?

[solar sand]

horus rising is DA

[steady edge]

There's so many more books before the Guy Kills the Guy....

[solar sand]

which other book are you reading?

personally im an ADB simp

i love all his books ive read

[steady edge]

Dan Abnett is a good writer. I just like the way he writes.

[solar sand]

DA is great but i dont like a lot of his older works

[steady edge]

Really?

Damn

[bleak tulip]

use it as is, its already pretty solid, could replace either blessing with uncanny and weak spot perk with flak but its honestly already quite good

[steady edge]

Maybe this convo better somewhere else I'm soprry guys

[silk hawk]

Grab rampage 4 out of it

[bleak tulip]

uncanny is BiS on dsIV but these blessings are both on the list of good secondary

[solar sand]

i would try betrayer, see if you like it

everyone loves betrayer

especially if characterization is your issue so far

[bleak tulip]

#40k-book-club

[worthy dune]

Smiteker moment

[potent echo]

How about the rest of the stats

[bleak tulip]

dont worry about those

[worthy dune]

They were eh

Wasn't my best game that's for sure

Brain shut off

[rigid rune]

No

[potent echo]

Was the other psyker exploit surge

[plucky flax]

Stop assuming it's surge abuser.

[worthy dune]

It was

At least I assume so cause he was like near 1 shotting crushers

I don't have the surge myself cause imma avoid it till the bug is fixed

[idle bay]

it's easy to spot if it's surge abuser or not

If he does not have warp charges orbiting him and he is using Surge - he is abuser

[worthy dune]

Oh the ye

Then*

[plucky flax]

Wait there's visual effect for warp charges?

[idle bay]

There is

[fallow falcon]

What are the ideal perks for a void staff and how does the dump stat for this one look?

[plucky flax]

I did not know this

[idle bay]

And they are both visibale to both Psyker and the team

Some blue things orbiting psyker - is warp charges

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah I see that.

Never knew it was warp charges.

Xd

Thought it was just some random buff.

[idle bay]

I still need to figure out if EP have visual effects visble to the team or those sparks visble only to Psyker

Disrupt Destiny clearly have no visiuals as far as i remeber

[worthy dune]

Hot take can they make the destiny tree more viable I wanna run a BB build for it

Like I tried it and did okay but it just feels so underwhelming

[idle bay]

BB do not have critical damage... so DD + BB never happens

[worthy dune]

And the way Destiny will just jump from one enemy to another within a split sec of marking the first is weird

Ye but it has weakspot dmg

Also weird that you can't test destiny in pshycarium

[idle bay]

Solo play mod then 🙂

do all the test you like there. Creature spawner and bot spawner also work there

[worthy dune]

I see I see

[idle bay]

Also Emperor's Will mod (exclusively for solo) play that allow you to do some tweaks for easier testing

Tertium 5 mod - to have your other operatives as bots there

[orchid nest]

you can get it to work in the psykhanium with creature spawner but only if invisibility is off I believe

[idle bay]

If you need specific auras for test from the team

[near wyvern]

I mean, it still increases damage and weakspot damage... and the timer resets when the stagger kicks in so even if you don't kill you don't drop stacks

but BB is just too slow to use so it's far from effective

[idle bay]

I'm sad about BB . I don't see a reason to use it over other options i have. I do not need to snipe specials/elites i have other means to do so

[still hearth]

I can see it being akin to how I use smite in only very specific situations

But the issue is that Smite requires 0 effort

And BB without nodes is just

3 seconds base charge to kill one elite

That's insane

[idle bay]

or not kill one elite even after 3 seconds...

[still hearth]

Yeahhh

[idle bay]

It's like willingly walking barefooted on legos

[still hearth]

I just find that putting in the points to grab the nodes that makes it feel not horrible isn't worth giving up my entire build

Since I can't see myself using BB that much

Though I should try it

Isn't there still something like you can't get EP charges from BB if you have 0 charges?

[idle bay]

Try Pre-charge mode only 😉

[still hearth]

Ah yeah

The bugged mode

I'll enjoy losing my charge randomly

[orchid nest]

it would be cool if charging up right click just banked an instant cast for later until used or downed. steps on EP's toes a bit I guess

[idle bay]

There is fun in that? It should keep building peril up 🙂

[crystal oxide]

So I'm a brand new psyker. Made it to lvl 10 so far

Assail is the most fun you can have with your pants on.

Question is, am I correct to assume that once I launch my little kinetic kill missiles, do they keep looking for their pre locked targets when I swap to another weapon? Or look away?

[idle bay]

You keep guding them through enemies heads - by just pointing cursor on them while sards are in the air. So - don't look away. Fire and guide 🙂

And if you launch few into the horde and shook your head few times - you will kill a lot more than you think you can 🙂

[whole oxide]

you're working on the assumption that you do have other options. what if you're running a ranged weapon that doesn't cover that niche

[idle bay]

Like throw few and draw few lines throw level of horde heads 🙂

[whole oxide]

the fact that it isn't optimal with every single ranged choice, doesn't mean that it isn't optimal with some

[full bane]

I need it

[idle bay]

I don't see cornering myself to such and extreme that i have to rely on BB. I leave that for sweatlords that like to challenge themselvs for fun 🙂

[near wyvern]

I use it with my flame trauma build with EP. The only purpose is to get that special (dog, bomber, burster, sniper) that is very far away or just about to run to cover and at times quickly deal with gunner arrays

the EP makes it nice to use RMB as well cause you can hold it forever when you hear the howl

[idle bay]

I stopped using Purgatus for sad reason also - i realise how badly it messes up the visibility for a team.... And have couple of really good rolled Purgatus

[near wyvern]

Purgatus just severy hurts by the fact that it can't control crushers anymore

[idle bay]

That's too

[near wyvern]

the damage is mediocre

and now the control is missing for the beefiest targets

[idle bay]

But it's infinite flamer ™

[still hearth]

I tried the big smite build and it's pretty funny on Hunting Grounds now

[near wyvern]

ehh

I mean yeah it works for that purpose

but there are loads of other weapons that do the same + more

and options

void, trauma, EP smite, flame smite...

[idle bay]

But before i stopped using Purgatus - i paired it with Assail not BB. Still can do the sniping and long range kills

[near wyvern]

yeah I also pair it with Assails

[glossy ember]

what if he's usin DD

[near wyvern]

makes a neato when you see a pack of ranged units a bit further away

I don't use quick shards with it to, only the +1 additional targets

[glossy ember]

i've been half tempted to try a dd surge build

[rigid rune]

I didn't think that trauma would do this much tbh

[near wyvern]

what can I say, Trauma gibs

[still hearth]

Trauma is insane rn

Good single target damage

Great AoE

Blazing gives it even more AoE

[near wyvern]

yup

[rigid rune]

using this

[near wyvern]

trauma was great already before patch #13

[idle bay]

Well... technically DD should synergyse with Surge. I mean code spaghetti may think that Critical stat on Surge is same as Fineese and modify it by DD bonuses

[near wyvern]

then at patch #13 everyone went OOH VOID cause it was overtuned

and only now people are discovering the Trauma that got buffed in Patch #13 even tho it didn't need one

[plucky flax]

No it's bad needs buff.

[glossy ember]

hold on, what. Doesn't that mean you get more crit rate, rather than crit/weakpoint damage?

[rigid rune]

True! it's clearly struggling

[glossy ember]

i wish i didnt keep bricking my traumas to try it out lmao

[idle bay]

If it's a spaghetti code...

IF

[crystal oxide]

Aww. So they're not fire and forget. Literally command guided, right

[glossy ember]

oh you didn't test

[crystal oxide]

I'll follow through my little missiles then!

[near wyvern]

if it's not badly bricked it will work

optimal =/= not going to work

[orchid nest]

Oooh we got some news here let's see...

[glossy ember]

I can test in psykhenarium with scrier's finesse node

see if my crit rate changes

[rigid rune]

blue backpack

[glossy ember]

run n gun + terrifying barrage, and perks being shit

[plucky flax]

I still have copers saying blaze trauma is useless even after video evidence.

[orchid nest]

oh our pearl clutching pack

[rigid rune]

Never rolled blaze isn't it bugged?

[near wyvern]

if you are looking for a flurry trauma the perks are not that important, just re-roll blessings and keep calm

[plucky flax]

Bugged how?

[near wyvern]

Yeah I want to hear this one as well 😄

[rigid rune]

the fire stacks not properly spreading

[near wyvern]

is that hood for Psykers

holy shit

[crystal oxide]

Time to look like Snipers

[near wyvern]

might actually buy it

[plucky flax]

It does spread to everything in a massive aoe

[orchid nest]

this is our aquilas debacle compensation

[idle bay]

It's Fatshark Unconditionally Certified Krafting. You may craft 50 Trauma staff and bever see Blazing Spirit blessing, then next day Melk will be selling one with that blessing you need,

[near wyvern]

I believe you are confusing wildfire bugs with blazing spirit now

[rigid rune]

should I not be running wildfire?

[near wyvern]

depends from the build

just because something is bugged doesn't make it unusable

[bleak tulip]

its generally very underwhelming

[whole oxide]

wildfire is only worth taking with blazing trauma, anything else is low value

[near wyvern]

not true, creeping flames + smite spam needs it

[orchid nest]

I think that might be the zealot one

[whole oxide]

what does it add to creeping flames?

[rigid rune]

what i've been using on damnation

[bleak tulip]

consider getting creeping flames, its absolutely worth

[near wyvern]

sadge

[bleak tulip]

easiest 100k damage every round

[near wyvern]

keeps it going

[bleak tulip]

do 4 stacks even kill hordes

[whole oxide]

not to a level of killing tho

[vestal fulcrum]

The hood is indeed a reused Zealot asset, so that checks out

[near wyvern]

no but when you slap on enfeeble smite on top of that you get yourself a killer

[potent echo]

jumpscare your own team

[bleak tulip]

tfw no points for that

[ionic needle]

Just did auric HISTG with this, worked pretty well, feels like I should swap inner tranq for essence harvest though

[near wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLXpJMyRQdg&start=16

[glossy ember]

oh, do perks not affect breakpoints? nice

[near wyvern]

they do a bit but it doesn't matter, you don't get any meaninful one shots with perks so stuff flies anyways

[glossy ember]

pog

[near wyvern]

if you are having troubles one shotting trash just invest into warp siphon

[glossy ember]

guess i can use my trauma staffs then

[glossy ember]

oh yeah i planned on running a basic warp siphon build with it

shield or shriek, not gonna go for scrier meme (yet)

[bleak tulip]

I alread occasionally shoot or swing at peple wearing the "normal" penance outfits when they run into view at close range more than I care to admit; some of those outfits make em look like random trash

[near wyvern]

Exhibiton B for flame smites
https://youtu.be/AarOoPWZnx8?si=fJZJ3EqJwWcn28xe

[near wyvern]

please don't go for scrier with trauma

it's one of the highest peril generating staves

[glossy ember]

what could POSSIBLY go wrong

[bleak tulip]

its bad

thats whats wrong

[glossy ember]

dw i'll test it out, blow myself up a few times and regret it shortly after

[bleak tulip]

I straight up dont think gaze is worth on any staff

[glossy ember]

oh it's definitely not

[plucky flax]

Don't let you memes be dream.

[bleak tulip]

because for all of them you have to spend time quelling somehow to get value or you already wanna edge

[ionic needle]

It doesn't really feel designed to be used with any staff

[bleak tulip]

because it wasnt

[glossy ember]

but that didnt stop me for surge scrier... only thing is i doubt you can do the same shit as surge scrier with trauma

but i'll testthat after learning trauma anyway

[plucky flax]

Smite gazer for the big crit on horde.

[glossy ember]

smite cant crit can it

[plucky flax]

That's the meme.

[rigid rune]

Trauma's greatest weakness is stairs

[spice veldt]

I propose we replace all stairways with wheelchair accessible ramps

[glossy ember]

this makes me realize my current build sure is whack as shit huh

[bleak tulip]

traumas greatest weakness is my left pinky from all the sliding I gotta do with it

[coarse bane]

Hmm, random thoughts.
How is this achive less than 3%

[bleak tulip]

a lot of people didnt play the game as much as people who talk here

[ionic needle]

I still don't have that, way too much of a clutz

[cyan notch]

people usually dont get that achivement unless theyre specifically going for it

[coarse bane]

I've just been doing missions for contracts.

[bleak tulip]

I mean I havent played malice for more than a match or two with lv1 friends uhh

since the game came out

[cyan notch]

cuz shit will probably happen in 10 games if people are playing aurics

[ionic needle]

On malice or higher though

[bleak tulip]

yeah good luck not going down at all when all you do it play aurics because achievements are meaningless

[coarse bane]

I do aurics with friends, not randos.

[ionic needle]

Yeah this is it for me, I pretty much exclusively play auric HI and/or STG with randoms, there's no way I can keep it together for long enough to not even be downed in ten games

[bleak tulip]

which is why you have the achievement and 97% of players dont

[coarse bane]

Oof

[bleak tulip]

also I presume you didnt get it doing aurics

[potent echo]

i should really stop cliffing myself at the end of every map

[coarse bane]

Last 10 missions have been a mix of Malice, Hersey, and Damnation.

[cyan notch]

also that 10 mission thing is just for steam i think

the in game penance goes to 15

[coarse bane]

Yeah, this is (1) so 15 is prolly (2).

[still hearth]

Alright so

I still think BB

Is bad

[bleak tulip]

[still hearth]

With the double buffs it feels just perfect to whip out and use

But without that its just

Ehhhh

[potent echo]

what is double buffs, like the speed?

[still hearth]

Yeah

The two charge nodes

[bleak tulip]

welcome to 2022, when this was the consensus already

[still hearth]

EP and the BR one

Dude

People keep telling me

They use it

Unironically

[potent echo]

who is people

[still hearth]

Random Psykers

[potent echo]

they just love cupping

[still hearth]

They psychicly convicne me to try it again

And I keep being disappointed lmao

[potent echo]

nah EP and BR is a rough time

[bleak tulip]

I low key think its people who have either only played on lower difficulties or just recently started playing damnation who say this

[ionic needle]

Couldn't it be good in like a purgatus build to be able to pick off ranged elites easier?

[bleak tulip]

on lower difficulties it feels at least powerful, albeit fuckin slow

[potent echo]

its useful in niche situations, but not a go to dps tool

[bleak tulip]

but there is so little action that its pretty whatever

[potent echo]

if a mauler is in your face you dont whip out BR

please no

[ionic needle]

Yeah but that's what the blitz abilities are supposed to be right?

[still hearth]

The situations that it is good for most of the time my allies have guns

And shoot the things anyway

[bleak tulip]

I mean you can just use assail for ranged elites

thats also what that things right click is meant for and its actually somewhat passable now

[still hearth]

BR definitely needs to just be sped up

[bleak tulip]

BB isnt even the oft touted "ranged option" that people coped themselves into believing

[still hearth]

Someone mentioned that the EP + Kinetic Resonance should be baseline speed

And ngl I kinda agree

Remove those nodes

Make them into something else

[bleak tulip]

they wont

they never did

this has been the thing since literally day 1

[potent echo]

assail lol

[still hearth]

BR even feels bad in the situations you want to use it

Smite feels good

Assail still feels broken

[ionic needle]

Yeah but assail is pretty much the only blitz in the entire game that's an exception

[vestal fulcrum]

Give back Cerebral Lacerations

[spice veldt]

make it charge faster if your cursor is over the enemy

[still hearth]

10x faster

[bleak tulip]

or at least adjust charge speed to enemy health so you dont spend half an hour popping something small like a flamer

[potent echo]

at least BR has that midway stagger

which was removed for awhile in early DT

[still hearth]

Yeah unlike the other two who don't stag-

Ops

[still hearth]

Wdym

Flamers have 1500 HP

[bleak tulip]

which is pretty small overall

[still hearth]

No?

That's like the third most HP

[bleak tulip]

but yeah applies to everything

[crystal oxide]

I'm a brand new Psyker, but I've been playing Vet and Ogryn a long time. And in my five matches today, three of them were full wipes when I wa left alone more often than not. Everyone else died due to skill issue or they be doing dumb shit.

[potent echo]

thats like the upper limit of BR damage isnt it

[still hearth]

BR does 1350

Base

iirc

[crystal oxide]

Early Malice is.. interesting.

[potent echo]

somehow BR kills flamers now

?

[still hearth]

It does

Because everyone runs Warp Rider

[potent echo]

oh

[still hearth]

And it reaches the breakpoint

[bleak tulip]

the point is adjust it health so you pop small shit faster, dont get all in the weeds

dont make us pop dogs more than once

[spice veldt]

brainburst has 150% maniac adm now

[still hearth]

Ahhh

Right that too

So even without Warp Rider it would still kill

It even kills dreg ragers rn if you have 100% peril

Idk about scab

[potent echo]

nah

flak modifier unchanged

because

[still hearth]

Probably need EP to do it consistently

Anyway

Assail > Smite >>> BR

Ez

[bleak tulip]

what a revelation

[still hearth]

Lmao

I know right

[potent echo]

BR is infinite range so technically it has infinite value

my logic is infallible

[bleak tulip]

the more things change the more they stay the same

[still hearth]

I wish they made BR left click an instant damage

And RMB is a charge up that does damage based on the charge

[whole oxide]

every single game, there are multiple occassions where I see a special in the distance that is running into cover, and I have half a second to do something about it. I can swap to BB and latch to it, no way can I swap to Assail and RMB or charge a void.

[still hearth]

When you left click

So left click does like 400 damage and will one-shot poxwalkers so you can snap them out of existance

But right click can do like 4k damage if you charge it enough

[potent echo]

nice you found the one situation where BR is useful

[bleak tulip]

shame BB wont kill it every time anyways

[whole oxide]

thats the only situation i need it for

[still hearth]

I mean I don't need it for that

Because that specialist

[whole oxide]

for specials? other than muties, it will

[potent echo]

yea thats because your loadout is balling and can handle everything else

[still hearth]

Is already not doing anything??

[bleak tulip]

thats my core issue, in the beta it was something you could do about dogs before people learned to deal with em

[still hearth]

Like damn

Let a Netter run

[near wyvern]

Oh shit the Vanguard bundle will be free and act as that compensation for the Aquillas. I guess it's a fair trade.

[still hearth]

It'll come back

[bleak tulip]

yknow fast specials

[crystal oxide]

Hmm.. At least Fatshark has some damage control ability.

[potent echo]

or you can kill it, proc PC, aggro the 30 ragers in the other room

[crystal oxide]

A little late on the draw, but fair enough

[whole oxide]

not sure it really achieves anything, people who didn't care still won't care, people who wanted aquillas will still want aquilas

[bleak tulip]

dogs? I admittedly never ran BB in a real mission but when I launched the game in 13 it didnt kill a dog still so I shelved it mentally

[whole oxide]

yes, dogs

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/the-mandalorian-try-to-stop-me-i-like-those-odds-star-wars-gif-16112782

Ops wrong message

Ah well

I mean

They have to do that shit

Its a company

[bleak tulip]

did the infested shit get adjusted or how does it work out

[still hearth]

That is run by people in charge

The people who are in charge of community stuff

[bleak tulip]

even with rider you dont get 1800

[still hearth]

Has to get things approved

[bleak tulip]

fuck if I know

either way core issue is still speed

[spice veldt]

dogs have about 1.4k HP nowadays right

[still hearth]

What 1800

Yeah dogs have 1.4k HP

[potent echo]

dogs need a little help i think

warp rider will have you covered

[spice veldt]

and the damage/stagger of brainburst not being frontloaded

[bleak tulip]

I just looked at the old spreadsheed admittedly

that shits old af

[still hearth]

BR needs a 10x Unyielding modifier

[orchid shadow]

Ew, I don't like that Psyker gear either. I'd rather have free aquilas for if/when Fatshark eventually charges for a shirtless option.

[still hearth]

Then I'll run it

[still hearth]

For the memes

[bleak tulip]

old presumably

[still hearth]

Yeah Poxwalkers have more HP now too

[spice veldt]

375

[potent echo]

if you frontload the damage, whats the backswing

[still hearth]

I'd just look here instead https://dt.wartide.net/calc/

[lunar hollow]

derpy got his wish

[spice veldt]

brainburst yourself and die

[bleak tulip]

I wish the calc wasnt such a pain

[still hearth]

I'm so used to it now but yeash

[bleak tulip]

why cant the turbonerds just make spreadsheets

[potent echo]

1:1 trade good value

[spice veldt]

rare W for him

[crystal oxide]

Yeaaah, like. Its like giving someone an extra large soda when you failed to give them their fries

Not realy the same, even if they think its the same price wise.. or something.

[bleak tulip]

I mean it probably is about the same price you just dont get a choice

[still hearth]

I just hope people stop review bombing the game over dumb shit

[potent echo]

down the line they will probably come up with blue weapon camo or smth to complement the look too

[orchid shadow]

Exactly, none of what's in that bundle appeals to me.

[bleak tulip]

so depending on if you like the palette swap you either are okay or you mald

[still hearth]

It was fine when the game was actually shit

[compact cargo]

We will review bomb later, once our time to boycot locks comes, till then we will rejoice

we got new gasmask siblings

[still hearth]

One day

[idle bay]

Urgh,,,, flip-floping my review back to Negative. "I'm tired, boss" (C)