psyker-class

[clear heath]

Not using assail so

[long wharf]

But surge is noticeably faster

[umbral helm]

long as stuff dies, doesn't really matter to me

[clear heath]

I need to not use assail to reach psykinetic's aura in the tree

so i can spam creeping flames even harder

every 10 seconds if there's enough elites

[long wharf]

I can out-DPS an assail user with my surge staff through positioning

[clear heath]

I can outdps anyone by screaming often enough

i'm more scared of a creeping flames nerf than anything

[long wharf]

Well, we'll see

So what you want about assail, but it's fun to throw shards that tear through a crowd

[umbral helm]

I enjoy the gremlin laugh my psyker does sometimes using them

[long wharf]

I actually really dislike the crazy psyker dialog, especially the crazy laughs

[keen slate]

Loner psyker is actually heretic

[long wharf]

100%

[keen slate]

or at least it seems like it

[long wharf]

No "seems" about it

[keen slate]

'By the five!"

Loner psyker knows that there's 5th god

Naaah I did not expect my charactewr to hold it like this

[long wharf]

Sure, the Emperor

[keen slate]

I think psyker means Malice

[long wharf]

That just looks silly

[keen slate]

Oh no

[long wharf]

I should grab that mod

See what we can do to staves

[keen slate]

You can turn them into shovels

Or this

[long wharf]

Oh dear

[rare storm]

1.5k melkbulks

worth?

[long wharf]

Save your Milkies

[rare storm]

Maybe nah too much to fix

[rare storm]

I shall

[long wharf]

Only buy T4 blessings or perfect rolls

[rare storm]

True

[digital narwhal]

s t i c k

[rare storm]

I need my t4 uncanny

[hearty oak]

Makes sense cause I see psyker's shoveling their Graves when they forget their peril limit

[limber tartan]

Guys what's a good method to use in order to complete the cliffhanger penance ?

Specific perks, skills or weapons that would increase my ability to push people off

[wooden flare]

I shall kill you with the overwhelming might of the warp from my mind, and also this gun I found

[idle aurora]

Take venting shriek, lead enemies towards ledge, press F, profit. Also can spam forse push on sword after that, just to make sure everyone flies down

[wooden flare]

Honestly I’d do sword push first then shriek

[idle aurora]

ye, that's better tbh 👆

[limber tartan]

Thx i'll try that out

[idle aurora]

One of the fastest maps is ascension riser, has a huge ass pit and bridge right at the start

[proven roost]

Which stat is the dump stat for Voidstrike?

[primal aurora]

quell speed I think

[clear linden]

What blessings and perks are recommended?

[summer prairie]

flurry into nexus, sprint efficiency into flak I guess and it's perfect

[clear linden]

why am i dumping flurry? dont we typically want the recharge?

just curious

[summer prairie]

nexus works well with blazing spirit

you've a perfect base / perks / blessings for a blazing spirit trauma

[clear linden]

got a build for that in particular?

[summer prairie]

you take venting shriek with creeping flames, cdr aura, other than that it depends on whether you want to use assail

[long wharf]

Because you need fruit for blazing spirit

Fruit? Stupid autocorrect

[upper galleon]

Blazing spirit kinda fell off ngl with the rending buff

Now that rending shockwave is always a damage increase

[summer prairie]

it's not in the current version

plus you still need it to proc a few times to get the damage increase

[clever root]

a

[half badge]

Are any of the force swords good at hoard managment? Because the first is... not.

[spare sail]

illisi

[half badge]

But i really like the block attack

Is that the level 15 one?

[hollow jolt]

Pretty sure its only the illisi

[lyric burrow]

Illisi does very well into pretty much anything

Especially hordes

[hollow jolt]

Except kill bosses 😔

[half badge]

Does it have the same push back block?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah not bosses

[hollow jolt]

Yea

[lyric burrow]

Yes all force swords share the same one

[half badge]

Dope. Thank you!

[hollow jolt]

The fucking clown car train of trying to lure bosses away to rez as a psyker is fun

[stone spindle]

I use an obscurus

Not because it’s good

But because it was my force sword from back in the day

[hollow jolt]

Deimos is waifu

[rare storm]

It's not bad if you have uncanny and slaughterer on it, and you get the timing down on the ult heavy attack

[hollow jolt]

Fuck mutants

[rare storm]

But deimos would be 10x easier and better ultimately

[stone spindle]

L1H2 block cancel l1H2 horde clear obscurus

It does what it does

Not well

But it does it

[hollow jolt]

Yeah I wish there were better boss options for psyker

[rare storm]

The d4 poke stick

lol

[plucky rune]

pain

[hollow jolt]

I'm ok with being the hordeclearer during boss fights but nice to change things up

[stone spindle]

I’ve been going empowered psionics brain burst with purgatus for boss killing

[hollow jolt]

Dueling sword?

[rare storm]

ye

[hollow jolt]

Ah ok

[rare storm]

No melk bucks?!

Pain indeed

[hollow jolt]

Hadron keeps fucking me but I'll give it a go when I get the blessings

[stone spindle]

Purgatus to apply souleblaze stacks to the boss and kill trash, then using empowered psionic stacks brain burst until 50% peril, then using venting shriek and more brain burst

[hollow current]

duelling 4 with unyielding + uncanny and precognition 🤯

[potent echo]

should use venting shriek at >80% peril for maximum damage

[rare storm]

if you're only talking about melee that is

[hollow jolt]

Ah been using assail because "lol Vets shooting gunners"

[rare storm]

I think I've got a clip somewhere of the d4 poking a plague ogryn to death

[hollow jolt]

Aimed assail works better for me at handling gunners

[potent echo]

d4 definitely kills bosses

[hollow jolt]

Good to know, been having trouble with them so I'll give it a shot

Once I get some blessings 😔

[stone spindle]

Gunners are the major weakness of this build. I normally employ advanced strategies of getting into melee with them or at least close enough to flame them, but that’s the major problem

But brain burst with empowered psionics handles elites real well

[potent echo]

purgatus is amazing against shooters if you employ sprint slide while charging purg

i should make a clip of this

hidden tech

[hollow jolt]

I miss when I could tokyo drift with infinite dashes into gunnners

[stone spindle]

Yeah, it definitely works, that’s what I do

[hollow jolt]

Now I have to actually manage my dodges

[stone spindle]

I just don’t like getting my head out of cover

Too many years of playing cover shooters makes my neck hairs tingle

[potent echo]

in other fps the enemies dont get suppressed by mind fire though

[hollow jolt]

Too much skill issue to stop using venting shrike for me

I would try the funny shield though

[potent echo]

venting shriek and 80% peril creeping flames kills all trash* btw

[ornate hamlet]

GAMERS

I need knowledge

[potent echo]

its not a crutch its basically psyker grenade

[rare storm]

To be fair if you run empathic evasion, gunners are basically worthless to you

on the purgatus that is

[potent echo]

that talent is so good for purg

[rare storm]

So good

[potent echo]

10 shotgunners? dont care

[ornate hamlet]

Do the warp damage on crit and warp damage on non-warp kill nodes affect the force sword and allow the player to use both on the same weapon?

[potent echo]

warp damage on crit only affects warp damage

[ornate hamlet]

I have been fatsharked before, so idk

[summer prairie]

should work well with illisi

[rare storm]

Er only if you use the powered alt affect

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah, that's what I'm wondering

Gracias

[viscid matrix]

Force sword special, soulblaze, staff attacks and blitzes

[potent echo]

warp attack = it must cost peril

[rare storm]

and you only get the non-warp kills when you DON'T use the warp powered alt

[viscid matrix]

soulblaze doesnt cost peril, it is a warp attack

[potent echo]

i mean it technically costs peril maybe

[rare storm]

sorry rehighlighted for clarification lol

[rare storm]

Ehh, on the purgatus it does

[potent echo]

to be clearer i guess anything that costs peril + soulblaze

[viscid matrix]

soul blaze from all the talents count as well

[rare storm]

Yes, but ultimately it is a warp attack, I dunno man some weird grey zone I guess

[rare storm]

https://streamable.com/72m4wk I found it lmao, ignore my nose, I think I was cold

[viscid matrix]

dont even need to use blitz, force sword or staff as long as you have the soulblaze on elite kill and soulblaze spread

[rare storm]

Not the BEST clip, but it's a fun way to play

[spice oar]

flak dmg on chainsword right?

[viscid matrix]

or carrapace if you want it to kill Crushers and Maulers faster

[spice oar]

ive got cleave blessings on it so im thinking flak

[potent echo]

I take infested/unarmored on chainsword

[viscid matrix]

[potent echo]

But this was prenerf when the saw activation kill mostly everything

[frozen osprey]

i think i will use smite for no reason

[potent echo]

Smite gunker is actually kinda sleeper good

Covers for it's weakness (aoe control)

[frozen osprey]

what the HELL is a gunker

[potent echo]

Also gives you free peril generation for creeping flames shout

Gun psyker

[viscid matrix]

Gun Psyker

[potent echo]

Gunker

[frozen osprey]

oh

very silly

[potent echo]

Psykun

[frozen osprey]

i dont like gunker i just want to be lightning man

[rare storm]

Gunker str0nk

Gunker melt boss

[viscid matrix]

Surge/smite build with Empower is great too

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[strong gulch]

Can you do weeklies on another character?

[rare storm]

For now

[potent echo]

Patch 15 come sooner please

[viscid matrix]

even after it will be good

[potent echo]

I'm sick of all these fake surge psykers stealing my kills

[rare storm]

To be fair, it's apparently been like this for a very long time, just that the EP buff made it more noticeable

It will probably stay lmao

[rare storm]

I did not know this was a thing, is there a seperate weekly for each character?

[potent echo]

Yea

[strong gulch]

yes

[viscid matrix]

yes

[frozen osprey]

mhm

[rare storm]

shiiiit

My melkbucks

[strong gulch]

get them monies

[frozen osprey]

watch your profanity you bitch

[rare storm]

Time to actually play other classes

[potent echo]

Just make a new psyker if you hate playing other classes

[rare storm]

what the fuck, bitch

[strong gulch]

OR another psyker

[plucky flax]

Me with 190k melk coins.

[rare storm]

God damn geniuses @strong gulch @potent echo

[potent echo]

Show

[hollow jolt]

Oh that's pretty good

[potent echo]

Seeing is believing

[hollow jolt]

I'll keep that in mind

[spice oar]

can blitz smite crit?

[rare storm]

Gunker btw

Str0nk

[potent echo]

No.....

[spice oar]

i mean if surge smite can its a valid question

[potent echo]

I don't think it does

[plucky flax]

Check top right

[rare storm]

iirc the only blitz that crits would be assail

[potent echo]

Gaming

[plucky flax]

Top 1% darktide gamer.

[frozen osprey]

i never said it wasnt good, i just am not a fan of it
i play psyker specifically so i can use something other than guns, yknow?\

[potent echo]

I think more like 0.01% considering the influx now

[viscid matrix]

if you get 2500 per character, and get 5 characters complete every week, i wouldnt be suprised if people ahve reached 200k and are pushing for 250k

[potent echo]

I'm hovering around 40k because I spend on the weirdest things

[rare storm]

Ahh I thought by the way you phrased it, that you've never seen a gunker

[viscid matrix]

i spam them on curios, since its easy way to get good ones
it bypasses the 2 per hour you normally can get from shop

[rare storm]

*cough with mods you can have 8 character slots

[potent echo]

Literally cheating reeee

[frozen osprey]

i played with one just now and ive been here for a long time lol, just simply not a fan i like my schizo magic

[rare storm]

yee understand, shizo magic is truly the best way

[ionic sorrel]

Can't get this to play for me 😦

[frozen osprey]

how in the world is that mod allowed it's amazing what theyre able to get away with

[potent echo]

I mean you get put holo sights on any weapon thru mods

[rare storm]

The same mod adds additional loadout slots too (up to 10 I think), very convenient

It's a qol I guess

[frozen osprey]

wack

[potent echo]

Loadout slots mod is a necessity

[viscid matrix]

eh not really, 1 for each staff(trauma and Void use the same), your favourite gunker build and finaly a random build for trying shit out

[ornate hamlet]

siblings, I need advice on what to do with this glorious weapon blessed by the emperor

[rare storm]

T4 head hunter & deadly accurate (solid blessings), also 10/10 luck that the beast looked away for so long lmao

[copper torrent]

You can change the mod so it can go up to infinite characters and loadouts. It is just changing the ui.

[potent echo]

Lasgun gunker, laspistol gunker, IAG gunker, headhunter gunker, brauto gunker, revolver gunker

The list goes on

[rare storm]

oh shit fr?

[copper torrent]

There is no limit. That's what the creator said.

[ionic sorrel]

I like the revolver.

[plucky flax]

How to remove limit with loadouts? The mod only gives me 11.

[rare storm]

oo okay ima read the thread later

[rare storm]

I've yet to get a good one.... I can't get handcannon for the life of me

[copper torrent]

Probably just edit the mod where it says 11. I'm just repeating what adspartan said when he posted it.

[rare storm]

under the lua file?

[copper torrent]

I SHOULD NEVER HAVE BEEN THE MESSENGER

[rare storm]

[potent echo]

shoot him, the messenger

[copper torrent]

YES SO NO ONE ASKS ME HOW TO DO THINGS

[ionic sorrel]

I mostly just pull it out for snipers and ragedudes, it's too fun running around with the dueling sword.

[copper torrent]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/16j0c4n/more_characters_and_loadouts_mod/k0okuq5/

[potent echo]

i think there has been cases where entire accounts get deleted because they breach some ToS to give themselves cosmetics and stuff

but these should be fine perhaps unless

[copper torrent]

Well this mod is sanctioned. Fatshark probably would have said, "warn them to not change the limit" or something

[rare storm]

I think this is fine since it doesn't affect Fatshark earning money in any way lmao

[viscid matrix]

none of the mods are sanctioned, they just dont do anything about people using them
if they sanctioned mods, they would have given us steam workshop for it

[rare storm]

They made a statement about being able to add sights onto weapons that otherwise wouldn't have them too, and they basically just said, it doesn't affect other player's gameplay so go ahead

So there are some forms of approval/over-seeing

[copper torrent]

Eh? Fatshark literally tells modders to pull stuff if they are out of scope in the discord.

[viscid matrix]

gonna need a link for that statement

[summer prairie]

I've been using that loadout mod with 20 or 24

[copper torrent]

@plucky flax THERE GET @summer prairie THEY KNOW THINGS

[rare storm]

#1140929470170144778 message

Basically okay if it only appears on your end and not anybody elses

[plucky flax]

Teach me da wey

[rare storm]

plers shw us

[summer prairie]

you install it and just edit the lua where it defines how many you can have, don't have to do anything else

[rare storm]

I see, alright ima try that later thank you kind sibling

[ornate hamlet]

I feel like the surge staff needs a buff once they fix the bug, I love the surge staff (it's my main weapon) but it really doesn't hold up in malestorm, with how many elites spawn and how many charged attacks it takes to kill it can't keep up. The cc is really nice but at some point you kind of just wish you're able to kill the 5 crushers in front of you quickly so you can deal with the other 20 specials spawning around you

I've tried so hard to make it work on malestorm, anyone else have a build that works reliably on malestorm that doesn't involve abusing the bug?

[plucky flax]

I did maelstrom without bug.

Build shown at the start. Adjust to your liking
https://youtu.be/9e0oBfL4nqo

[spare sail]

whats the voidstrikes dump stat?

[rare storm]

warp resist

or quell speed

I like being able to quell faster tho so preference I guess

[plucky flax]

I'm trying 4 warp charges and taking perfect timing instead.

[potent echo]

no heart shaped mission board, unwatchable

[bleak tulip]

blast radius too its quite poopy

[ornate hamlet]

that was before patch 14 where they nerfed surge's dps to carapace and flak

[summer prairie]

6 stacks feels fairly useless for a shriek spam build, rarely get there

[rare storm]

a yes this too

tbh all you really need is charge and damage

[bleak tulip]

warp resist can matter a little, gives you an extra cast 60-80 maybe

[potent echo]

damn what is that scoreboard at the end

[ornate hamlet]

quell speed if you want to use transfer perill

[plucky flax]

I'll probably make an update video to the build. I played maelstrom yesterday and cleared it with patch 14.

[bleak tulip]

but if you spread the dump over those youll be fine

[rare storm]

It depends on the blessings too I guess

[summer prairie]

I think usually quell speed matters more when you are quelling down from 100 to a safe range to do another full charge

[plucky flax]

God gamer top 1%.

[rare storm]

Damn staff has too many good blessings

[ornate hamlet]

did it not feel a lot weaker? I didn't do specific testing but it literally feels like it takes double the time to kill elites now

since tehy nerfed the multiplier and buffed elites health at the same time

like I feel like I'm doing similar damage to elites compared before patch 13 where surge was hitting 6 enemies

[plucky flax]

No not at all. 2 charges to kill elites. For crusher it's 4.

[potent echo]

it kills scab gunners 1 shot

most specials too

except maybe flamer/mutant

[spare sail]

which of the 4 would yall say is best

[potent echo]

literally look at the scoreboard at the end

[ornate hamlet]

???

[potent echo]

creeping flames/illisi also putting work in, so probably not purely surge staff

scoreboard mod at the end of mission

[ornate hamlet]

that video is from patch 13

patch 14 nerfed surge staff and buffed elites

[potent echo]

surge wasnt touch though

[ornate hamlet]

it was lol

multipliers on flak and carapace was nerfed

[potent echo]

you mean indirectly?

bro

thats the bonk

[ornate hamlet]

the meele attack that literally no one has ever used?

[potent echo]

carapace 0% to 0% didnt that raise alarms for you

yea literally the melee attack

[plucky flax]

Yeah surge was not nerfed.

[bleak tulip]

it do be bonking now tho

[potent echo]

indirectly elite hp buff i guess but wont change the damage output

[austere estuary]

melee staff user nerfed, the outrage

[ornate hamlet]

felt weaker for sure, maybe it was just the elite hp buff

patch 13 felt so good with surge but I can't seem to get the same ttk after

[potent echo]

i wouldnt rate ttk on mutants/mauler/crushers on it too highly, its a fast charging hitscan autoaim attack that can target specials and gunners quickly and effectively behind cover etc

25m range too, no too shabby

you can charge and kill a trapper before the void user even finished charging

[ornate hamlet]

it definitely has really nice features yeah, I wouldn't love it so much if it didn't

but I'm struggling to perform with it on malestorm

[potent echo]

you probably really need creeping flames to make up for its lack in aoe damage

[ornate hamlet]

i haven't used the flame package since perilous combustion got nergfed

I've seen some people pull of good shit with surge

[potent echo]

its still busted enough, 6 stacks on blaze is enough to kill any trash*

[potent echo]

if you see one this patch, is probably an exploit user

[ornate hamlet]

Sure, it can be slow compared to the nuke-radius some stuff has

Oh

[potent echo]

makes the surge 125% stronger

[ornate hamlet]

It was uhhh

yup

using the bug makes surge insane

Someone just doing some funny dodge stuff and using surge for some big safety kills

[potent echo]

if you see surge user killing maulers and crushers probably a red flag

[viscid matrix]

??? it 2 shots them right now

[potent echo]

what

you mean with the EP exploit

[viscid matrix]

is it really an exploit when surge staff has been called staff bound Smite since launch?

[potent echo]

yes

[clear heath]

I don't think they had surge staff in mind when they gave empowered psyonics +125% damage

plus the fact that it doesn't consume the buff

makes it pretty sus

[rare storm]

What if, now hear me out, this buff to EP smite was an intended buff to the surge staff since nothing was really set for it

conspiracy

[clear heath]

if it was meant to work with surge staff, then it would also consume the buff

[rare storm]

Not when fatshark intended it to not

[clear heath]

true

fatshark works in mysterious ways

[rare storm]

They do, they truly do

[queen fog]

My running theory is since they’re both bio-lightning the code for both is mad close together variable wise

So that’s why it effects surge without taking the stack of EP

[ornate hamlet]

i'm gonna put on the flame package and see how it does in malestorm ig, wish me luck

[stuck bridge]

this is probably the most reasonable

someone forgot that surge was for damage, smite was for control or it was originally both labled as smite

[long wharf]

that's a lot of words to use to replace "incompetent"

[ornate hamlet]

Okay, a hyperspecific question

[long wharf]

not "mad close", the attack object is the same for both weapons

[stuck bridge]

hope they fix it soon tho, getting sick of zealot and vet babies dodging games because they see im runnin surge

[long wharf]

powers are weapons

[queen fog]

Again lad this is my theory, I ain’t much into coding to know if my ramblings are accurate

[long wharf]

hyperspecific answer - "maybe"

[ornate hamlet]

Does anyone here who use the soulblaze blessing on force swords with a crit build that uses the crit toughness node find shred necessary for both survivability and reliably proccing soulblaze to keep the stacks up?

[long wharf]

I've looked at the code, you can trust me.

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly I think that sentence gets away with not needing any commas, if my grammar knowledge is still mint

[queen fog]

I’d rather trust crab

[long wharf]

soulblaze is a noobtrap blessing on force swords

[rare storm]

Do.. Do people actually dodge games?

[long wharf]

wrong, prepositional phase starting at "who use"

[ornate hamlet]

I intend to use it with the warp damage nodes

The warp damage on crit and warp damage on non-warp kill

[long wharf]

I never take the warp damage on non-warp kill node

[stuck bridge]

yes

ive been dealing with it for days

[long wharf]

I've never seen people leave a game I'm in

[clear heath]

Sometimes i wonder how often people just assume i'm using the bug

[rare storm]

What region are you running lol

[stuck bridge]

north american

[spice oar]

its good if your running a horde clear melee

[rare storm]

Huh. Guess there's more psyker surge haters there I guess

[stuck bridge]

east coast probably if there's no central servers

[spice oar]

minus illisi cause thats warp dmg

[rare storm]

An oddly specific thing to dodge for... But I guess to each their own

[clear heath]

I tend to see people leave when there's multiple psykers.
I guess they're tired of not having any enemies to kill

[rare storm]

Own skill issue at that point

[stuck bridge]

ive gotten 5 people in the last 2 days that will talk shit at me for using it or usin the tech then leave or shit like "im not playing with surge users"

so im not even using the tech anymore whatever

[long wharf]

that's really stupid

what are they afraid of? not being carried by assail?

[plucky flax]

Giga non bug users.

[chrome linden]

assail is fine forlow lvl speed runs

[long wharf]

I don't think the adjective "giga" applies to those people in any capacity

[chrome linden]

but it takes 9 hits to kill 1 mauler on damnatrion

[plucky flax]

Why non bug as in not abusing the broken 125% power.

[chrome linden]

9 charged hits

[long wharf]

yeah, you shouldn't be using assail against maulers

[ornate hamlet]

The sigma chadset grindpill

[chrome linden]

still takes like 4 hits to clear trash

theres just so mnay better and more efficent methods at that level

its not "bad"

just inneficent

either way, if people are leaving the game before even seing if you can use it properly, then fuck those guys

[stuck bridge]

not like i dodged games with vets abusing their near infinite toughness

[chrome linden]

theyre pricks and deserve game fails

[viscid matrix]

https://streamable.com/zjpqc5 i can if i want to

[stuck bridge]

or dodged games when vets intentionally targeted my bbs

[long wharf]

you didn't attack with assail that entire clip

instead you used your dueling sword, as you should have

[clear heath]

You can see the assails

he's just switching really fast

[chrome linden]

i slowed it downb

there was one

[clear heath]

this blue line

[chrome linden]

right after his 1400 special attack with sword

oh, on the crusher

[long wharf]

ah okay, I didn't expand the video

[chrome linden]

i saw one on the armored mauler

was 450 somethin

wish there was a more well defined number explination on some of these weapons special atacks like the eviserator, the dueling sword, force sword, ect

[ornate hamlet]

dear god emperor please don't brick this weapon

[steel flame]

You didn't pray to the omnisiah

Instant brick

[chrome linden]

save 300k moneys

buy ALL the staffs for good base

delete 80% of bad base

all wasted resources

[clear heath]

only 300k?

i spent 1 million on a staff

[chrome linden]

did you get a small loan of a millian gold from the emprah"?

[rare storm]

The emperor protects

[ornate hamlet]

the emperor does not loan, he gives, my beloved is generous

[chrome linden]

1000 psykers a day beg the differ

[ornate hamlet]

they are part of him now, sibling

[naive imp]

does psyker revolver share blessings with vet and zealot?

[brave fiber]

Blessings cross over between classes as long as you get them for the same weapon type

[stone spindle]

What blessings do you guys like on force swords?

Deflector / power with peril?

[copper torrent]

Give me closure damn you!

[brave fiber]

depends on which, on illisi I like slaughterer + bloodthirsty

[stone spindle]

I’m a nerd and am using the mark 2 obscurus

I know it’s not good

[long wharf]

I prefer slaughterer and deflector

[loud lichen]

if you are popping your head and something else downs you, now when you get rez'd by teammate headpop still goes off.... ?

[long wharf]

was that a question?

[hollow jolt]

Poor Obscurus

I wonder what the intended role for that sword is for

[brave fiber]

Victim of power creep

[hollow jolt]

Rip

[viscid matrix]

noobies first force sword

you get it at level 5

[hollow jolt]

Such is life, can't win them all I guess

[plucky flax]

Deflector slaughterer. When I play surge staff I use slaughterer uncanny.

[stone spindle]

Thank you!

I feel like obscurus really suffers from middle child syndrome

[plucky flax]

Surge can deal with shooters very well so I don't need deflector for that build.

Oh yeah my favourite is illisi.

[stone spindle]

It’s not good at horde clear or single target

[plucky flax]

Nice balance of horde clear and single target.

[viscid matrix]

its the low level variant, you upgrade into the Deimos for single target or Illisi for cleave

[stone spindle]

When yeah, the “specialists” are more generalist then the generalist

I’d love if it had like, a block cost reduction on it base line

That could be neat

[plucky flax]

Too bad they took away infinite dodges.

[stone spindle]

Make it the “defensive” version

Or yeah, more dodges

[viscid matrix]

i use Illisi for that, i have 2, 1 for killing mixed hordes, and then a second for a meme block build with Deflector, Block efficency and weakspot hit quells peril

[long wharf]

ok Trauma users, +Maniac or +Unyielding?

[hollow jolt]

I would go for Maniac

[viscid matrix]

unyeilding, make killing monstrocities easier

[hollow jolt]

As you'll have more issues with ragers imo

[keen slate]

Sexy

[hollow jolt]

Oh nice sword

[spice oar]

What should I put on my void for best single target dmg?

[viscid matrix]

Warp Nexus, Surge, Crit Chance perk, Unyeilding

[rare storm]

Could do carapace for easier crusher hoards too

o single target

m dum

[round summit]

any good builds while lvling?

[viscid matrix]

you 1 tap crushers with Surge and Crit cause it does about 3100 base damage if you have a 75% damage modifier

[viscid matrix]

Assail

its all you need

[round summit]

what staff and wep

[hollow jolt]

My friend is using assail + devil claw

Assail for everything

[rare storm]

I like the fail safe when my rng crit / true aim isn't up

[viscid matrix]

tbh no weapon you get while leveling compares to assail

[hollow jolt]

Devil claw to parry crushers lol

[round summit]

im using assail

[glossy ember]

does dome shield go higher than rectangle shield

[viscid matrix]

it has a guarenteed knockdown if it doesnt kill them

[rare storm]

ye

[glossy ember]

ok sick

just had a cool dome shield moment and i was wondering if i coulda done the same with rectangle

[rare storm]

ye but getting it down so I can focus all the other bs is better

preference at that point I guess

[steady yarrow]

Dumb question, but are earned blessings account wide for weapons?

[bitter coral]

No per character

[acoustic path]

Any weapon is better than assail

First three letters in assail describe the skill well

[bitter coral]

Least delusional psyker player

[viscid matrix]

not while leveling, Assail is way stronger, especially if you use it properly

[spice oar]

Thx

[viscid matrix]

https://streamable.com/zjpqc5 you take a revolver in with any tier of Hand Cannon, or use weapon swap with a melee weapon with any tier of Uncanny Strike and you can easily 1tap almost everything in heresy and lower

[bitter coral]

I know assail is broken

It also comes off cooldown almost faster than you can spam it

[digital narwhal]

Why is Assail ass, then?

[viscid matrix]

at this point, is it broken 😄 or just OP esepecially with weapon swap blessings, it got a change in the last patch that made the secondary do double base damage

[bitter coral]

With no change to how many you have or recharge rate

[lone compass]

kevin approves you for sharing texture setting values

[ornate hamlet]

usable but not great

still not sure what to replace next

[copper torrent]

Hadron you absolute bitch

[ornate hamlet]

tbf it was an upgrade over what I had

but yes it is sad

such a perfect stat distribution

[acoustic path]

Sure, you can get it, pick it up, use it till max, and get your ass handed back to you 6 ways from Cadia, but if you learn active parry from devil sword, dodge dancing from knife, dueling sword, and force sword, stagger clearing with the axe, etc, you’ll be a much better teammate. The amount of people face tanking hits with their blitz out at damnation+ is showing of how much it a crutch it really is

The skill value from using and trying different weapons is much higher than using crutchsail because its minimal talent investment

[glossy ember]

active party from devil sword

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/962094926538084465/1043425886478811236/hamyakJam.gif

[acoustic path]

Auto correct

Devs add active party to devils sword plz

[acoustic path]

See above

[lyric burrow]

I love how i can see this is an arco clip right away

[round summit]

what blessings u want on force staff?

[glossy ember]

so i've changed my current build because I don't think I use BB enough. Or blitzes enough in general really. BB was nice at a distance but I could also just staff LMB.
Went for Smite purely because one of its talents affects surge staff (one extra zap). thoughts? Or should I just drop the point entirely and put it somewhere else?

I assume it'll eventually be fixed like the EP glitch with surge

[digital narwhal]

You just described bad players, not the Blitz being bad.

wtf

[lyric burrow]

Also yeah assail is still absurd

[acoustic path]

It was asked in context of leveling, and the answer is in context of leveling, if you fail to understand that; that’s on you

Reading comprehension of an actual ogryn I guess

[round summit]

zealot chat is nicer

[glossy ember]

right now if I take out the extra lightning from smite, my options are...

1. wildfire
2. 15 toughness or 5% TDR
3. soulstealer/warp expanditure/battle meditation
4. movement speed
   5)empathic evasion

[lyric burrow]

Well ive heard zealot chat is on and off lol

I wouldnt take wildfire

[glossy ember]

yeah probably not worth for surge staff

[digital narwhal]

Again, you described bad players.
Assail is stronger when levelling due to it being tuned with Damnation numbers.

[long wharf]

well, I can see why Trauma+Soulblaze is good for Auric Damnation

but I still hate the Trauma aiming mechanism

[glossy ember]

I'm thinking battle meditation would technically be the most dps gain, but at the same time it'd end up going against warp rider lol

warp expenditure afaik doesn't work with peril blocking so probably not that good in a pinch

i dunno man

I guess if I had another point I could take malefic momentum nah i don't have that stuff

[brave fiber]

meanwhile, in ogryn chat

[digital narwhal]

@tired totem

[tired totem]

It's perfectly Natural.

[digital narwhal]

You bismerch us, pal.

[tired totem]

A good Ogryn farts.

[chrome linden]

ogryns dont fart

[strong gulch]

https://tenor.com/view/im-in-this-photo-i-dont-like-it-dinosandcomics-dinosaur-gif-19587179

[chrome linden]

they emit a toxic fume to counter enemies of the emprah'

[olive ember]

Is psyker chat having a moment again

[brave fiber]

when aren’t we having a moment

[olive ember]

True true

[lyric burrow]

Define moment

I dont hate the ragers so far but bursters from a closet can be annoying

[olive ember]

Eh rager spam just create space tbh

Literally dodge spam backwards and they can’t hit you

[lyric burrow]

Yeah ragers can at least be staggered well enough

[nimble burrow]

rager rule #1: this is why guns exist

[glossy ember]

i love surge staffing ragers until i end up surrounded by a crowd because i wasn't paying attention

[empty onyx]

Question: How does the surge staff interact with enemies that have mixed armor (in regards to armor damage boost perks)?

[native gyro]

Kinda wish ragers were louder.

[crisp yacht]

Whatever there base armor is in the meat grinder. If they have flak parts +flak won't hurt a mauler more. At least I'm pretty sure it doesn't.

[native gyro]

Our characters complain about their noise all the time

But they are dead quiet even as they sneak up to tear you a new hole.

[empty onyx]

Wait, isn't Flak the mauler's base armor? They only have a Carapace Helmet.

[crisp yacht]

I thought they were Cara. Could be wrong tho.

[brave fiber]

I don’t think it matters too much, because regardless carapace damage on surge staff is wayyy too good to give up

[brave fiber]

I also think it might matter what the enemy is actually labeled as

[crisp yacht]

Yeah I'd need to check in the meat grinder. But I always thought they were labeled as Cara.

[queen fog]

Mauler’s is flak body head cara

He one of the few who got multiple armor types on em

[brave fiber]

Yeah but then what damage bonus does surge benefit from

[queen fog]

Lightning and metal go good together

[brave fiber]

One or the other, both or neither

[queen fog]

Both from my experiences with surge staff, can at times not even one shot a trapper if I don’t fully charge surge

[lyric burrow]

Its good vs flak and carapace

[olive ember]

Body armor

[lyric burrow]

Unless they changed the numbers its weaker vs unarmored and infested

[olive ember]

They changed it to flat damage now

[lyric burrow]

That might just be a pre patch 13 thing

[olive ember]

If you are talking about surge staff

[brave fiber]

If so, would that mean taking flak armor damage on surge results in more damage vs maulers?

[lyric burrow]

Ok nvm then

Yeah i mean surge

[olive ember]

Yep

[brave fiber]

That doesn’t seem right lmao, I gotta test that later when I get home

Big if true

[lyric burrow]

Damn im kinda sad they changed that actually

[thin finch]

Head cata, body flad ,back unamored

[olive ember]

Not that I would use surge staff for anything besides ogryns

[thin finch]

So backstab the bugger

[lyric burrow]

Specifically it being stronger vs armor

[olive ember]

I’m better off using any other staff outside of killing specifically ogryns and I guess mutants if you forgot how to melee

[brave fiber]

I mean with that info it might genuinely be decent to take + flak as well as + carapace perks

[olive ember]

Don’t bother with carapace

[brave fiber]

All assuming the glitch is patched soon

[olive ember]

I’d suggest maniac or unyielding as 2nd perk

Carapace iirc doesn’t do much breakpoint changing and it only affects crushers

[brave fiber]

I always take crit chance on surge for obvious reasons

[olive ember]

Eh crit chance isn’t as good on surge now iirc

[thin finch]

If you go for ogryn unyielding is the best choixe because you profit on boss too

[olive ember]

You aren’t using surge on boss

It sucks even with unyielding

[brave fiber]

really? For a staff whose primary benefit is that it crits a lot and for a lot of damage, it seems important

[thin finch]

You are not using assail either

[olive ember]

You would genuinely be better off using BB or even purge staff

Duelling sword

[thin finch]

Yeah but when you run surhe staff you'll find out that you don't have a purgatus staff on you

[ornate hamlet]

you don't get to switch weapons specifically for the boss lol

[olive ember]

Yep

Tho at that point I would just melee

[thin finch]

So if you want to target your surge for ogryn ,take unyielding

[ornate hamlet]

meele boss sounds like a good way to get eaten/grabbed

[olive ember]

I mean maniac flak is probably the best combo imo

[brave fiber]

So apparently unyielding is just better for surge than carapace then

[summer prairie]

I haven't looked at the breakpoints but flak+elite might be better

[olive ember]

Carapace is specifically just crusher

Someone can check but iirc crusher breakpoints don’t change that much

[brave fiber]

But crushers count as unyielding, no?

[thin finch]

Carapace is just not that great overall

[summer prairie]

helps more with your SB too

[olive ember]

Crushers are carapace

They are entirely covered by carapace armor and their body also counts as carapace

[bleak tulip]

[olive ember]

You can probably just go into the meat grinder and check

[thin finch]

I think only Mauler head, Crusher and the bulwark shied are considered carapace armor (maybe a piece of the reaper armor)

[bleak tulip]

the breed thing is in the pins

only reapers and mid stage bosses are unyielding

[olive ember]

There’s a piece of armor on reaper and the bulwark had like an arm guard or something that both count as carapace

[silk hawk]

I thought so too, but people saying they are just carapace...

[olive ember]

They don’t count as unyielding

Crushers are all carapace

[thin finch]

So carapace > only truly affect crusher while unyielding affect all ogryn, bosses and maybe the mutie too

[ornate hamlet]

dmg against unyielding vs 5% crit on surge staff?

[orchid shadow]

Is this info still relevant? https://imgur.com/a/Selj5nI/layout/grid

[thin finch]

Crusher ain't unyielding ?

[bleak tulip]

https://imgur.com/a/DqmYpV1//layout/grid

[olive ember]

Crushers aren’t unyielding

No one would take carapace for anything if they were

[bleak tulip]

the latter is more up to date pretty sure

[brave fiber]

TIL

Damn

[silk hawk]

I say crit... But its just me like yellow numbers

[orchid shadow]

Ahh, thanks

[lyric burrow]

Crusher is like the one carapace enemy

[olive ember]

Just go into the meat grinder and surge staff them

[brave fiber]

ty

[olive ember]

It should literally say what damage type they are

[crisp yacht]

So what is maulers base armor type?

[bleak tulip]

flak

#psyker-class message

[silk hawk]

On body flak on head carapace

[bleak tulip]

I dont keep this up to date for nothing

[silk hawk]

If u surge em they are flak

[naive imp]

which of you is ImstillFalling?

[brave fiber]

that’s super weird to me, always thought they were entirely carapace, good to know

[naive imp]

show yourself

[olive ember]

Literally just go into the meat grinder

Like it shows what armor type they are when you damage them

#psyker-class message

[orchid shadow]

Don't do it! They'll eat your soul!

[crisp yacht]

I'm at work

[clear heath]

go plan your build after your work is done

[ornate hamlet]

I feel like it doesn't let me hit breakpoints for some reason? I really need to test properly but it's really hard with all the different conditional damage buffs

[clear heath]

For surge i have flak/cara

[silk hawk]

If u want breakpoints i am almost sure that somewhere on the internet should be a proper spreadsheet

[ornate hamlet]

i feel like ever since patch 13 surge doesn't rely on critting anymore

[clear heath]

It crits enough as it is

I wouldn't bother with a measily 5% crit

[ornate hamlet]

patch 14 changed a lot of breakpoints

[clear heath]

the thing crits 30-50% of the time

[olive ember]

It’s crit matters a lot what?

[silk hawk]

I use crit on surge to have benefits from all the crit procs on me talent tree

[olive ember]

You literally need to double crit to two shot crushers with surge staff

[clear heath]

The crits matter, but i don't think 5% is worth it over 25% damage on an armor type

[olive ember]

The 25% will help make it so you don’t need crits

[ornate hamlet]

you don't double crit enough, rather have consistent 3 shot

[bleak tulip]

I mean if 25% doesnt let you hit any other mentionable breakpoints it might be

[olive ember]

Like by default surge staff can’t even one shot a gunners without crit

It’s just that hilariously bad

[silk hawk]

5% is surprisingly matters... At least i have such feeling

[clear heath]

50% of the time it already would have crit anyways

[olive ember]

5% crit someone mathed out is like a 10% dps boost which is decent for stuff like purge staff. For something that cares more about breakpoints however 5% crit is like

Not that good

[silk hawk]

But its better if it's 55% right?

XD

[orchid shadow]

You're not at 50% all of the time though. It's going to fluctuate greatly on your peril.

[clear heath]

right, but a lot of the time it would've crit anyways and you wouldn't need the extra crit

cause it already crits so much

[ornate hamlet]

dps on surge really does not matter tho, it's all about TTK on specials and elites

[olive ember]

Yeah and the 5% crit actively hurts it’s TTK

Because you are trading a one shot breakpoint for a +5% chance to get a crit

[clear heath]

25% damage is huge

[summer prairie]

crit also does nothing for your SB

[silk hawk]

Also many people forget that they're is teammates xD

Even if they are bad, they still can do dmg

[clear heath]

You could get flak to reach a lot of breakpoints
and get cara or unyielding to require less crits to kill ogryns

[olive ember]

Once you play enough you realize teammates are an illusion

[silk hawk]

So, surprise, in 80% of t the time u don't even need to be able to oneshot

[ornate hamlet]

on most psyker builds it's actually pretty important you get the finishing blow tho, combustion and warp charges and all

[summer prairie]

10% elites is probably better, carapace is definitely not worth it

maniac for surge also sounds questionable

[clear heath]

I run cara and i find it worth it

[summer prairie]

with the bug maybe

[clear heath]

maniac depends on whether you hit trapper breakpoint

I don't run the bug

[summer prairie]

you would rather use your weapon

[clear heath]

crushers just take too long without the perk

[olive ember]

Teammates are cool except when shit hits the fan relying teammates is a funny meme

[clear heath]

I hit trapper breakpoint without maniac so i don't run it

[silk hawk]

U will have it anyways, since you are not always doing dmg first

[olive ember]

I mean I just don’t use the surge staff in general and I use actually good staffs

But

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ornate hamlet]

[silk hawk]

People trying way to hard to reach oneshot breakpoints, while in my opinion, being able to twoshot thing is more than enough

[olive ember]

It two shots most things by default

Besides crushers and mutants, maulers, and maybe ragers(?)

[ornate hamlet]

I can't even argue with that, I just like the way they make things go boom

[clear heath]

I'm just trying to 3 shot crushers without needing literally every hit to be a crit

25% cara helps with that

[silk hawk]

But surge is good T.T

[olive ember]

You can 3 shot crushers kinda reliably

Its the 2 shot that’s fucking stupid

[ornate hamlet]

I'm trying to get to 3 shot with 1 crit

2 shot is not possible without the bug??

[olive ember]

With a non carapace surge staff you need to jump through like 5 different hoops to hit the 2 shot

[silk hawk]

I think twocritshot is possible

[clear heath]

You'd need like every buff imagineable

not practical to 2 shot without bug

[olive ember]

This includes 6 warp charges, 5 stacks of mettle or wte it’s called, warp rider, max peril, AND double crittign on top of it

It’s a fucking meme

[silk hawk]

Kek

[ornate hamlet]

unrealistic

[silk hawk]

U don't have faith

[ornate hamlet]

but rn I'm struggling to consistently 3 shot if my peril is too low

[silk hawk]

Heretics

[summer prairie]

10% elite dmg, 5% ranged dmg node

[ornate hamlet]

and I'm wondering if switching 5% crit chance to cara/unyielding/elites would help

[olive ember]

The joke is that surge staff really isn’t that good without the bug

You would be better off using any other staff except maybe against like all crusher spam and all bulwark spam

[clear heath]

It's been fine without the bug for me

[olive ember]

But even then voidstrike is better

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ornate hamlet]

stop reminding me, just want to explode enemies into blood mist

[clear heath]

crusher/bulwark spam isn't the point of surge staff

[half badge]

Does assail randomly target a dormant demonhost?

[olive ember]

If you mouse over the dh assail will hit it

[clear heath]

surge is meant for killing ranged threats quickly because of the fast charge time

like gunners, shotgunners, trappers, bombers

[olive ember]

You can kill packs of ranged just as quickly with any other staff due to surge staffs target limit

[ornate hamlet]

so many things do a better job at that..

[devout sentinel]

I just like when the enemies pop into gore and guts with surge

[olive ember]

Surge staff is single target dps that’s meant to lock down singular targets

But the game rn has difficulty through special and elite spam

So surge staff falls behind

[summer prairie]

staff lmb now competes with that role

[ornate hamlet]

it has some utility through cc, does alright damage most of the time, but yes I agree it needs something extra

[vernal zephyr]

Thoughts on the fire staff?

[hoary badge]

I like lmb on the surge for crit fishing

[hollow jolt]

Surge staff needs another +125% damage buff UwU

[olive ember]

It also quite literally doesn’t compete with any other classes single target dps… like vet plasma, revolver in general, voidstrike, etc etc

[ornate hamlet]

maybe if the second target took the same damage as first target

[vernal zephyr]

And voidstrike staff?

[clear heath]

Idk i've managed to do top damage pretty much every game with it

[olive ember]

People say it’s the weakest staff but ngl I don’t feel it

[hollow jolt]

One of the strongest staffs by sheer virtue of being near unkillable

[olive ember]

I just delete everything short of maulers anyways

[vernal zephyr]

Real

[hollow jolt]

Anyone that says purg staff sucks is insane

[olive ember]

Voidstrike is still the best generalist staff

12 cleave zero damage fall off 3 shot crushers

[ornate hamlet]

fire staff sucks imo, it's so clunky to use in malestorm

[olive ember]

Can interact with true aim and crit skills

[half badge]

I dont know the names. I like the shootie staff that just charges a stronger shoot.

[olive ember]

Literally surge staff but better

[rare storm]

the only bad thing about the purg (fire) staff is that you can't do ranged, but that's easily solvable by taking BB or assail

[round summit]

what aura is best?

[hollow jolt]

That's where it shines best though

Just lock down entire rooms and let your team focus

[olive ember]

CDR or crit

[hoary badge]

charged functionality aside the other two staves need you to double down on gimmicks to play a lmb heavy playstyle

[vernal zephyr]

I like myself a voidstrike and force sword combo or purge staff with devil claw combo, one makes you hard to kill the other just obliterates armor

[olive ember]

Damage aura kinda mid since nerf

[hollow jolt]

While being able to tank hits due to crits for days

[ornate hamlet]

team 😆

imagine relying on having a good team

[round summit]

also what is peril

[hollow jolt]

I mean if you're doing Maelstrom, you kind of have to

[olive ember]

Claw doesn’t rly obliterate armor

[half badge]

In what situations does the fire staff outperform assail itself?

[olive ember]

The funny number that goes up when you use magic and if you cast past 97 you blow yourself up

[vernal zephyr]

No, the voidstrike force sword does

[olive ember]

Mass hordes and mixed hordes

[vernal zephyr]

The purge claw is the hard to kill one

[hoary badge]

monstrosities, for one

[rare storm]

Anything within 20m lol

[olive ember]

oh yeah

[round summit]

cool ty

[ornate hamlet]

I mean yeah, in malestorm you need competent teammates but I wouldn't trust them to sync with you when you cc enemies, I've tried smite too many times with randoms

[hollow jolt]

I mean that's why I use purg

You just kill the horde instead

No need to CC

[olive ember]

You don’t cc enemies as purge you kill then

[hollow jolt]

Crit Purge is insanely good at not dying to

[olive ember]

You kill everything maulers and below with one full blast of purge

[ornate hamlet]

everything maulers and below dies to a gust of wind at that level?

[hollow jolt]

The only thing a purg psyker can be really hurt by are Snipers thankfully

[ornate hamlet]

like a half charged voidstrike would kill everything maulers and below

[rare storm]

You can run empathic evasion with purg and you're basically immune to ranged dmg as well

[vernal zephyr]

And this is why bubble

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

Still scary though

[hollow jolt]

Man so lucky to fight maulers 1 by 1

[vernal zephyr]

Purge, claw, bubble and assail is currently my favorite setup

[hollow jolt]

I wish my enemies waited for me to charge my voidstrike

[hoary badge]

I had a solo clutch with the purg earlier where I couldn't have done a plogryn + hi intens the way I did if I didn't have mass dots trickling down the threats

[olive ember]

Does it kill every mauler in a 20m radius?

[ornate hamlet]

say that like purg doesn't have the longest charge time of all the staffs

[olive ember]

And a half charged voidstrike doesn’t kill maulers unless it crits

[clear heath]

maulers shouldn't be that big of a problem for any psyker weapon anyways

[olive ember]

It isn’t but it provides space

Since everything in a 20m radius gets deleted besides ogryns and mutants

[hollow jolt]

Its a good thing you get tons of defenses

[rare storm]

You don't have to fully charge the void to stagger a mauler too, you can just knock it down with a 1/3 charge then kill it with the time you gained

[olive ember]

https://streamable.com/l0t217

[hollow jolt]

True, this is an irrelevant comparison imo too. Though maulers patrols still scare me lol

[olive ember]

What people don’t realize is that purge has infinite cleave and will hit and kill every mauler walking towards you

Voidstrike can kill what

Let’s say 2 with a half charge and that’s being incredibly generous

[hollow jolt]

Also assuming they're in a straight line lol

[olive ember]

They typically walk towards you in a straight line until they get close ngl

[lunar hollow]

what kind of non-euclidean mauler formations are we fighting here

[ornate hamlet]

look I'll admit that surge is not the best staff but I can't see how purg is any better, the drawbacks lead to such clunky gameplay, the slow charge rate, long cast time, slow damage startup

[hollow jolt]

I find they try to walk around and hit other teammates

[lunar hollow]

do they come from the ceiling

[hollow jolt]

The ones that also aggro other teammates

[lunar hollow]

because most of the time when ur fighting a big elite pack (where purg would do best) they're all clumped up

[hollow jolt]

Never seen them clump up except for ogryn patrols

[stone spindle]

Oh purge staff oh purge staff

Your soul flame beckons so sweetly

[hollow jolt]

They usually just attack whatever they see

[lunar hollow]

i've seen literally every large elite patrol ive ever faced clump up because they will all just run at the people who aggro them

[hoary badge]

you don't need to charge to get value out of a purg

[lunar hollow]

who are oftentimes not surrounding the patrol from every direction

[summer prairie]

purg is very good when there's high density, but you can't compete in overall damage because your dps/range is low when the density isn't there. Right now you can compensate with assail

[lunar hollow]

like, if you want to put this to the extreme, you play scab melee only and you identify the typical AI patterns

[stone spindle]

Eh, who cares about winning the damage race. If you don’t have enough problems, then it’s a good thing

[vernal zephyr]

what maulers are you fighting? Mine walk in a horizontal line towards me then proceed to skullfuck me

[lunar hollow]

and normally the elites will roughly form a front line (because of the slots system) based on whichever direction theyre coming from, and will normally be clustered together unless there's just not that many of them

[hoary badge]

lmb farts are very effective as well and keep you mobile while staying effective in combat

[hollow jolt]

Yeah I just ignore when people go "damage, damage!" as if that's what's really the problem with teams

[ornate hamlet]

kind of a shit staff if you're just gonna be farting the whole time because rmb is too clunky to use in intense situations

[hollow jolt]

Anyone that just left mouse spams is probably a shit psyker anyways

[vernal zephyr]

It’s usually positioning in my case, people never use my bubble either, to afraid to sit in one area longer than 5 seconds

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

[stone spindle]

We don’t have a score board in the game for a reason

[hoary badge]

lmb actually does work though

[stone spindle]

Pass or fail

Live or die

The choice is yours

Let the games begin

[hollow jolt]

It helps, but I meant for spamming

I often see psykers just not rmb charging when using purg

[hoary badge]

you give up a bit of stack accumulation for a ton of cc and suppression

[stone spindle]

But purge charges so quickly

[clear heath]

that's weird as hell

[hollow jolt]

IKR

[stone spindle]

Maybe they didn’t play vermintide

[vernal zephyr]

I’m guilty for spamming pox hounds with it because it stuns them and pushes em back every single time

[hollow jolt]

It annoys me to no end to see people clearly using a staff wrong lol

[stone spindle]

And don’t know it works like drakefire where left click does way less damage but way more stagger

[vernal zephyr]

I bully hounds

[hollow jolt]

Poxhounds are funny

They stagger so far when in purg fire

[crisp mason]

I liked it tbh.

[hollow jolt]

It creates a lot of "my number is higher therefore I'm the best" mindset

[vernal zephyr]

Just spam it and watch it do no damage however, you can push them off cliffs

[ornate hamlet]

I have no doubt purge can do good work in specifc situations, but is it really worth:

1. not having a proper long ranged staff
2. having really slow damage startup
3. obscuring the vision of everyone including yourself
4. be incredibly imbolie while charging and outputting fire

[hollow jolt]

Even though damage and kills aren't the whole story

[vernal zephyr]

You see, I use it for fun, and assail for long range

[hollow jolt]

Like a relic zealot won't get top damage and kills if he's spamming his ult but the ult is huge in terms of contribution

[clear heath]

i think purg staff is fine

[hollow jolt]

I miss when relic could push bosses off cliffs

[silk hawk]

Purge lmb is nice to keep max stacks on a boss xD

[vernal zephyr]

This is true

[ornate hamlet]

i mean sure, fun is what matters, I use surge staff for fun and I know it's lowkey shit

[hollow jolt]

It is

[stone spindle]

I use purge for close stuff and brain burst with empowered psionics for long range stuff

[clear heath]

The downsides aren't that big of a deal and it is really strong in certain situations that do come up often enough

[hollow jolt]

Purge has barely changed in updates for a reason

[vernal zephyr]

Purge imo is best staff for beast of nurgle

[hollow jolt]

Surprisingly, Fatshark seems to know Purg is fine

Same with the MK12 lasgun

Was low-key hoping they'd buff it with how many people say its bad

[vernal zephyr]

Purge plus bubble and you can solo a beast on malice, literally bully the guy and if he does get too close also use devil claw and bam, W

[silk hawk]

Mk12 is bad as secondary wep, slow reload slow switch, but as vet primary its amazing imho...

[hollow jolt]

Yeah it seems warpfire does respectable damage

Idk why

[ornate hamlet]

@hollow jolt what's your purg build, I'll try it out to see if it's gotten better since I last used it

[hollow jolt]

I meant as a gun. Not good for psyker but as a gun, it's a good weapon

[rare storm]

hoho but you can have one

[hollow jolt]

At work atm so don't have a pic :c

[ornate hamlet]

</3

[hollow jolt]

I'll send one when I can

[ornate hamlet]

ty ty

[hollow jolt]

Np comrade

[hoary badge]

1: Yes because BB, Assail and teammates exist
3: point it at your flanks, crouch or don't swing the spray all over too suggestively
4: lmb is slept upon

2: poor burst is probably a legitimate point but yes, the benefits make up for it

[vernal zephyr]

I too have one you should try, I don’t remember exactly what talents but I know the important ones

[hollow jolt]

Anything that scales off crit lol

[olive ember]

Imo mg12 should actually see a buff, tho it’s more just that the vraks 7 is kinda just a better mk 12 now imo

[clear heath]

I haven't really seen an mg12 in ages

[hollow jolt]

MK12 has Shock Trooper for infinite ammo shenanigans

[hollow jolt]

I use it on my Vet, its good but Helbore and plasma exist

I use MK12 when I need something that will always perform well

Basically maelstroms

[vernal zephyr]

Mmm, Boltgun

[tawny raptor]

ay fellas, assail still the meta? I havent played the new patch yet

[hollow jolt]

Yes

It just doesn't wipe out entire hordes in 1 salvo anymore

[olive ember]

Voidstrike assail is still meta

[hollow jolt]

It got a -50 base damage nerf iirc?

[vernal zephyr]

One thing I have to say, I dislike psykers who use assail and only assail all mission long

[silk hawk]

Only 9n left click thou

[tawny raptor]

i mean shit its effective

[hollow jolt]

Yeah same, though I can see why as I was helping my friend level

[ornate hamlet]

1.you really don't want to be switching to assail/BB to hit that gunner/reaper just outside of purg range that's currently murdering you
3.sure
4."use the alt fire that does considerable less damage than voidstrike" is not a good arguement

[tawny raptor]

didnt the alt fire version get a sizeable buff? Assail i mean

[hollow jolt]

The instant he got assail...lol

[rare storm]

I run this if you want to give it a try, it's been working out well for me

Sometimes I swap out kinetic reso for wildfire

[hollow jolt]

True, but still notable

[silk hawk]

It did, but still sux to use...

[vernal zephyr]

Like yes, whip it out on hordes or bosses etc, but all level? Even when there only two dudes in front of you?

[hollow jolt]

Its basically "the Vet is taking too long to kill a bomber"

[ornate hamlet]

ty, looks pretty similar to what I run on surge, what blessings on the staff?

[tawny raptor]

assail is boring for me gameplay wise, how do ya’ll feel about purgatus and BB

[hollow jolt]

"Crit based off peril" + "secondary charges faster on chains"

[ornate hamlet]

just had a long ass argument about purgatus lmao

[vernal zephyr]

One blessing you need for staffs idc who you are, is the one that doesn’t cut your charge when you are hit or staggered

[hoary badge]

1: yes I do, kinetic resonance BB is very efficient for taking care of those

[rare storm]

Unyielding + Maniac / Flurry + Nexus

with dueling sword

[tawny raptor]

conclusion being?

[ornate hamlet]

inconclusive

[tawny raptor]

L

[hollow jolt]

Purg is fine and is very tanky

Won't outburst void

But will last longer in a fight

[vernal zephyr]

@ornate hamlet

[hollow jolt]

Needs crits to be tanky though

[vernal zephyr]

This is important for purge due to generally slow charge up

[rare storm]

I will say in ALL honesty with all these arguements and discussions, Psyker staves really comes down to just a playstyle preference, and how well you can play them

[vernal zephyr]

This is true

[tawny raptor]

real

[ornate hamlet]

bro if I get hit while charging in malestorm I'm probably dead

[silk hawk]

I would switch combustion with meditation and venting soul blaze with bb buff, but that's just me...

[hollow jolt]

All staffs are bad and psykers should use recon lasguns

[rare storm]

If you don't like it, then just don't play it but don't force only bad opinions onto them lol

[hearty dagger]

Man, i love seeing psykers running smite so much.

[rare storm]

Shit this is tru

[hearty dagger]

A trio run is usually fun

[ornate hamlet]

psyker truly is the most versitile class

[olive ember]

Except against bosses

[vernal zephyr]

Oh myb, didn’t you were doing the “making me wanna blow my brains out” mode

[hoary badge]

4: why are we comparing apple staves to orange staves? You trade damage for stagger while you keep the stacks churning passively

[silk hawk]

U can melee them xD

[olive ember]

Yes but it’s still nothing standout

[hollow jolt]

Not playing Zealot

[hoary badge]

this I can abide by

[rare storm]

The combustion helps in getting maximum stacks much quicker, especially in a elite hoard situation

[radiant lance]

Quite proud of this one. Auric Malestrom.

[hollow jolt]

Brb unbinding my melee

[silk hawk]

Playing both, get used to melee combat xD

[rare storm]

but yes I see why creeping flames to a BB branch might be better

[vernal zephyr]

Purge the beast of nurgle and plague ogryn and bosses will be jokes, though you are sacrificing what little ability you have against other monstrosities and assassination targets

[rare storm]

you know what, yes creeping flames to kinetic resonance

[hoary badge]

recon is my first foray into gunpsyker and its legit fun if I'm not sweating it out on auric

[ornate hamlet]

idk it's the only challenging mode these days, patch 13 made auric damnation pretty easy

[silk hawk]

Might be, but after nerf its really not that good to be honest...

[vernal zephyr]

Fair

[rare storm]

EHHHHHHHH It's still aite

[plucky flax]

Ia infantry lasgun superiority.

[rare storm]

Did not deserve the nerf it got

[tawny raptor]

whats best melee? duelling sword?

[silk hawk]

Well if you feel like that, it's fine )

[vernal zephyr]

Me personally, bubble, because I like the fact that I don’t have to worry about ranged guys