psyker-class

[ruby zodiac]

Anyone have advice on getting the Cliffhanger (I know it should be easy but everytime I try it I get barely any max I've gotten is 4) & Warp Battery Penances?

[severe moss]

Theres a bug with EP

[next mist]

i should really make like

a cohesive document on why vet is objectively bad

[stuck bridge]

i gotta deal with zealot instakills and vets being busted for almost an entire year

[spice veldt]

and vets not taking iron will/confirmed kill and dying

[severe moss]

The benefit that would apply to smite also apply to staff

[spice veldt]

vet's tree sucks but they're not straight up bad

[valid talon]

The +125% damage bonus? Why is that a reason to abandon games?

[severe moss]

I have no idea

[spice veldt]

i think you are overstating vet's horribleness

[stuck bridge]

zealots doing the same shit to get 0 recoil on bolt guns

[valid talon]

Especially since the devs fucking hotfixed the game and didnt fix it

[next mist]

custom game with ogryn friend w/ big shield, let bots die, then let him taunt and sit on ledge while accumulating a horde

[next mist]

more that they just get outperformed at their own jobs by other classes, and end up as dead weight on auric 5. if they're not going down constantly, they're not outputting damage anyways

im a weirdo who logs scoreboard stats per class :') god i play this game too much

[spice veldt]

sounds like a case where they should play more easy builds or other classes for the skill that they have

i too play this game too much

1k level psyker and 200 level vet

[valid talon]

I think vets entire thing is to be a flexible class...?

[spice veldt]

so I feel pretty qualified to remark on it

[next mist]

okay i dont quite have that much levels

[valid talon]

And you haven't met a good special killer vet

[next mist]

jack of all trades master of none type beat

[valid talon]

I mean vet can have a lot of utility, being a good special sniper, grenadier, ammo resupplier, and lifesaver all at once

[spice veldt]

all classes have some generalist builds

[valid talon]

A 20 min match is 20 free grenades easily for a vet

[next mist]

i'll work on a big document so i dont sound like an insane rambler and can maybe give fatshark some feedback idunno

[valid talon]

Average auric damnation game probably gets 200-300% ammo regen for everyone with survivalist

[spice veldt]

also keep on mind that we're on a somewhat early build

if you look at the Deep Dive announcement, you can see vet's new tree

that's how behind we are

[next mist]

please give them a keystone FS please

[valid talon]

Voice of Command is a quick CD way to top off toughness and push back enemies

[next mist]

wait can you see the effects on the tree

[spice veldt]

you can see the icons

the toughness regen nodes got rearranged to up top

and they removed the tax nodes from the three branches and moved it to the top layer connecting it to the grenades

so there's a mildly lower penalty for going into more than 1 lower branch

[next mist]

oh blessed be

[severe moss]

Don’t burn me on the stake fellow spark’eads but I think Psyker imo makes the game kinda easier

[lunar hollow]

confirmed kill in the middle, exhilirating takedown on the left

[next mist]

REAL

[valid talon]

Psyker is a great force multiplier

[next mist]

even melee psyker which i thought would kinda suck is insane amazing

[valid talon]

Force shield will make everyone love you

[stuck bridge]

youre not wrong

[next mist]

(but that might be the dueling swords being like... one of the best weapon classes in the game fatshark PLEASE LET ZEALOT USE THEM EVEN IF YOU HAVE TO NERF)

[spice veldt]

the baseline of all the classes is slightly overtuned for the difficulty for the most part

[tawny brook]

I just noticed that Mind in Motion isn't accessible to Brain Rupture builds. What the hell? No wonder nobody uses it.

[next mist]

would you guys rather have them nerf classes or add new difficulties though

[stuck bridge]

but man ive had to sit through almost a year of vets targeting my BB highlights

[spice veldt]

we already have 5 difficulties

[severe moss]

I’m just now trying a Dueling sword on my build

[next mist]

yeah it might end up like payday

[spice veldt]

there's no need to fragment the playerbase even more

[severe moss]

Was trying a force sword before

[tawny brook]

More of the mission types they promised.

[spice veldt]

i don't use it even if I'm going through the right side

[lunar hollow]

ultimately what has happened and continue to happen is they just crank up the bullshitometer

and this means if ur good at the game and can adapt ur fine

[next mist]

am i insane or did they remove "still getting the BB stack if it's stolen but you've charged halfway" feature

[spice veldt]

mind in motion is basically a dead talent because you can just dodge while quelling

[spice veldt]

warp charges were detached from brainbursts as a mechanic

[valid talon]

Yeah mind in motion isn't as useful as it seems

[lunar hollow]

what happened in patch 13 was that if u were good at the game/up to date on the latest game-breaking bugs that make stuff super easy, etc u would have an easier time than before

but most people are gonna see the 15 rager patrols 3-4x a match and go "damn this got harder"

[spice veldt]

the game is also balanced around some unexplained mechanics

[lunar hollow]

i wouldnt even say any class is too strong baseline except ogryn

because with a lot of classes u have to really build for the stupid bullshit like zealot dr

[next mist]

yeah but even when using it, it felt awful cause you can only do it on elites/specials for a charge now :C

popping heads in the first year was so therapeudic.........

[lunar hollow]

whereas ogryn its almost impossible not to have around 66% toughness dr

[spice veldt]

i hated brain burst, though that was because it had to fill a role that no other weapon could really do unless you ran a gun

and it wasn't particularly great at that role

[next mist]

[spice veldt]

i'm pretty happy to not be forced to use brain burst anymore

[lunar hollow]

brainburst's core mechanics were nice in a world where spawns were lower

like right on release and whatnot

[next mist]

yep psyker is way more fluid now

[glass prairie]

guys whenever I reach like max overcharge (or whatever its called) my character automatically stops and vents a little of the overcharge. Is that just a thing darktide have?

[spice veldt]

that's a quirk of Smite

[next mist]

smite gaming

[lunar hollow]

but the DPS was always so bad even people without scoreboard would get mad about kill steals

[glass prairie]

oh ok

[spice veldt]

no other warp weapon has this property

[glass prairie]

i thought a mod i have did something to me

i was like "huh feels like cheating" lol

[valid talon]

I mean once you're a half decent psyker you'll pretty much never go over cap

[next mist]

even then i still blow myself up if i use a force sword 😭

dueling swords are a serotonin generator btw (pre current patch vid)

[valid talon]

Keep in mind they BUFFED the stupid things...

I actually dislike them but they're just so much better than force swords IMO

[next mist]

YEAJH LIKE WHAT THEY WERE THE BEST WEAPON BEFORE THE REWORKS

[valid talon]

The toothpicks have as much cleave as a fucking eviscerator now

I'm not joking, 8 vs 9

[next mist]

lmao what

thats wack

[valid talon]

What has more cutting power and momentum? A giant 2 handed chainsword weilded by a cracked out nutjob who does nothing but beat people to death, or a 1 inch thick sliver of metal weilded one handed by a nerd with 2 stamina

[stone spindle]

Hey question, how do you use a deflector force sword?

Does it block sniper shots?

[severe moss]

Ok but which one is the better dueling sword?

[stone spindle]

Mark 4

Twin pokes

[viscid matrix]

they may have better cleave, but they do stabs on every heavy, so you cant take advantage of the cleave, and the L1 is garbage damage

[keen slate]

Psyker is finished

[viscid matrix]

nope, deflector has never blocked the sniper shot, from what i know, it causes you to lose all stamina/generate max peril on block and goes thru anyway

[keen slate]

Then I wonder what king of weapon sniper uses that it literally surpasses psyker's warp power

Can you send your build?

[wheat quartz]

siblings, I can't decide which sword to use

[viscid matrix]

its using Disrupt Destiny and Scriers, and Smite
just from what i can see
first video has lightning skull for skill 3 which is smite, the ability is SG, and the blue aura is DD

looks like it has the dodge on range crit talent as well

[keen slate]

1 or 3

[viscid matrix]

1 if you need a single target killer cause your blitz and Rweapon are not good at it
3 if you need horde clear cause your Rweapon/blitz is for single target

[acoustic spade]

I wish it was just 15x ragers, but its been 10x Crushers+Maulers with 2-3 snipers in a crossfire pattern

[vestal cloak]

Any psyker tips?

I suck at staying alive lmao

[keen slate]

Depends on your build

if you're using assail

[acoustic spade]

that sounds like what happens to a low-stamina Shield Ogryn, maybe if you stacked enough Block Efficiency with the highest tier deflector?

[keen slate]

Then taking this is really pog

[viscid matrix]

ive tried, it doesnt work

[keen slate]

You throw few knives and they replenish your entire bar

[viscid matrix]

thats BIS for all builds except Gunker
every other build uses warp attacks except gunker

[wide galleon]

kill more

[keen slate]

Combined with warp Expenditure and Quietude you can generate Toughness out of nowhere

[tame venture]

Try to keep youibetween all of the other players in your team

[wide galleon]

This. Playing trauma in auric is a massive difference when I have a decent positioned team and a team that likes to go Rambo

[keen slate]

Autopistol, Laspistol or Revolver?

[viscid matrix]

tbh i think those 2 are the mediocre options
better off with Mettle and Psychic leeching

[spice veldt]

it's tagged to straight up ignore your block

[keen slate]

it depends if you're using EmpPsi

[tame venture]

Psyker is the "wizard" of the old "Knight, barbarian, wizard, ranger" formula

[spice veldt]

ogryn's shield is special in that it can block the block-bypass attacks, but that's not the case for any other melee

[viscid matrix]

for any assail build, Empower is a must take

[acoustic spade]

sadge

[tame venture]

You're potentially the biggest damage dealer, but you need your team to keep things off your back, as well as keeping yourself out of trouble

[spice veldt]

quietitude is nice as a safe and guaranteed method of toughness regen that doesn't rely on kills

[keen slate]

As I said, it depends on his build

[silent chasm]

just ran a match with 4 assail psykers

[acoustic spade]

I wish Force Sneeze deflected toxflamers flame straight back at them

[silent chasm]

that was.. an event

[spice veldt]

warp expenditure is the only black sheep among the toughness regen talents I'd say

[acoustic spade]

Or allow Ogryns to carry waterbuckets to extinguish fires on the ground so we dont have to wait for 30 seconds after a bomber has blocked the exit

[viscid matrix]

tbh not really, Ogryn have that in the bag with Gunlugger, and Thammer zealot can 1tap demonhosts

Psykers are the generalists cause we have many options to cover different roles in the squad

[tame venture]

Hence the potentially

[viscid matrix]

depends on what you want the weapon for

[keen slate]

I'm using this but thinking about swapping riposte

[acoustic spade]

Speaking of Toughness Regen talents, does Soulblaze count as Warp Attack Kill?

[viscid matrix]

okay, do you want it to horde clear or do you want it as a block weapon?

[tame venture]

How do matches with 4class teams fare in general anyway? I think 4 vets struggles, but the ammo Regen aura should be strong if all 4 take it, no? If not, there's ammo efficient ways to play vet, right?

[spice veldt]

ye

[spice veldt]

auras don't stack

[silent chasm]

my vet is level 3 so

[spice veldt]

you only need one backpack vet if needed

[acoustic spade]

that means I need to find a way to fit some of the Soul Blaze talents into my Smite Build, but I'm already basically out of talent points

[spice veldt]

there was a video posted in ogryn chat labeled along the lines of '3 gunlugger ogryns' and there was an unmentioned vet, which I found humorous

[viscid matrix]

these are the 2 i would use tbh

[acoustic spade]

dont even have enough points for creeping flames, just becalming eruption

[lunar hollow]

(ignore the ammo vet in the background)

[spice veldt]

do not invoke that phrase

[drowsy cave]

What perks should I be looking for in curios?

[lunar hollow]

im glad u got the reference

[viscid matrix]

this is the only one you need, it will spread fire everywhere

[tame venture]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-walk-fail-lol-lma-lmao-gif-10215997

I get that vibe off of just what you described lol

[viscid matrix]

worth keeping, swap block to flak

after you unlock those 2 blessings, you can swap riposte to Unstable Power

[acoustic spade]

I'm usually not the one killing the Elites or Specialists on my Smite build tho

Surge Staff takes like 3 full charge shots to kill a damnation mutie iirc

[viscid matrix]

yes
tbh if i go deflector, i go all in on it, and take Exorcist so i can remove peril between blocks

[glass prairie]

guys which of the purple keystone pairs best with smite? all of them seems pretty meh

middle one seems like the only one that does things

[severe moss]

EP

[glass prairie]

kay tx

[acoustic spade]

4 shots without any buffs from 0 peril to kill a damnation mutie with my surge staff

[glass prairie]

which one of the two should i choose?

[acoustic spade]

Assuming one of them is a crit

[viscid matrix]

depends, do you want to kill with smite, or do you want more damage on everything else

[keen slate]

Right one

[viscid matrix]

always overpowering souls

[glass prairie]

thx

[acoustic spade]

does that trigger if team mates kill the elites?

[viscid matrix]

if you have soulblaze on enemies when they die, it counts as your kill aswell

[glass prairie]

i just enjoy like staggering a crowd of ragers and let my teammate kill em

[viscid matrix]

cant rely on that all the time

[glass prairie]

huh

[acoustic spade]

I dont run EP on any of my builds with Soulblaze talents in them iirc

[glass prairie]

but anyway im only lv20 with psyker and rn i spend 70% of my game using smite

[viscid matrix]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2917274959

check out the Guide that Pygex made and updates

[acoustic spade]

4/5 out of my Loadouts have Venting Shriek+Warp Charges and the only EP one is Assail+Dome shield build

[zinc ether]

Now we wait for Uncanny Strike and we cooking

[restive slate]

I'm having so much fun with Scryer Gun Psyker its hard for me to go back to staffs

[tame venture]

Too bad it doesn't scale

[restive slate]

What doesnt

[viscid matrix]

you kinda wrong on that
Gunker is incredibly good

[tame venture]

You eat too much ammo for what your role is tho

[restive slate]

Bold to assume gun psyker fights like vet

[viscid matrix]

kekw

[acoustic spade]

Vet player spotted

[potent echo]

The only thing that scales with horde density is explosive/aoe weapons, not related to gunker being good or bad though

[viscid matrix]

you only use too much ammo if you waste your ammo on trash

[potent echo]

And arguing that psykers wasting ammo doesn't make sense tbh

[spice veldt]

you can use your other weapons on psyker

blitz and melee

[potent echo]

Would you say zealots or ogryn waste ammo

[tame venture]

https://youtu.be/I31Z9kSGoug?si=fRGvcQWEb8FHm8fn

🤷‍♂️

[spice veldt]

not like vet has any ammo issues either even if you don't take survivalist/prepared

[potent echo]

No not this guy

[restive slate]

Considering Psyker has one of the best melee right now

[restive slate]

Ew

[viscid matrix]

[restive slate]

My rule of No Facial Reaction Thumbnails... it hurts!

[viscid matrix]

using the worst melee and gun for gunker

ahahahahah

[upper galleon]

Gunker is in an odd spot having to go warp charges cause of how bad DD is

[spice veldt]

nah

[tame venture]

It's still a case of staves having infinite ammo, and guns not

[potent echo]

That guy is kinda sus in general

[spice veldt]

esp if you're already on the right side of the tree

if you're taking True Aim, then DD is a 4-point cost at most

[tame venture]

So is here but hey 😂

[potent echo]

Everyone should play Psyker with staff

[spice veldt]

and I think that DD's terribleness is somewhat overstated

[upper galleon]

Warp charges you can build from any elite kills and it is only 2 points then down points for warp charge

[potent echo]

Here isn't a person though

[viscid matrix]

he is using one of the worst guns, and the weapon he is using is mid tier at best compared to other options

[upper galleon]

You already flop flop in gunker anyways

[tame venture]

False, I'm here

[spice veldt]

7 points for 4 wc and 9 points for 6 wc, and you have to go through Puppet Master and Solidity which are both mediocre talents

[upper galleon]

BR for the chance on hit activation, then hard right to scriers,

[potent echo]

I agree, you are pretty

[restive slate]

I like DD

[spice veldt]

the point-cost effectiveness of warp siphon seems to be left out of the discussion often

[restive slate]

Needs buff but i like it

[tame venture]

He talks about a variety of other guns, like the revolver, recon lasguns, etc

[upper galleon]

Idk when i wake up and after doing some cbores in like, 20 hours

Ill do some gunker build fuckery

[viscid matrix]

im sorry he is talking about Deimos and Chainsword as the best 2 options, cant take him seriously

[potent echo]

Chainsword is fine though

[tame venture]

If gunker does work I'd like to try, though I dread having to grind yet another entirely unique weapon class

[viscid matrix]

they are yes, but not best to use for a single target melee weapon

[potent echo]

Just sacrifice your toughness

Unless he runs bloodletter or something

[tame venture]

Tbf it's an older video, but he's said that the dueling swords are the best in newer things

[next mist]

i went to work sorry bestie i’ll try n remember

[idle bay]

Sigh if only we had Shotguns...

[tame venture]

Isn't vet's #1 job to take out shooters? Because by God that's what I hope it is, playing ogryn and psyker

[acoustic spade]

Yeah it'd be nice if DD didnt get the block-with-peril talent when it seems to be meant more towards gunker-game style, having to move sideways so much to pick it hurts

[tame venture]

Elites and such are high priority too obv

[potent echo]

I mean depends on loadout

[tame venture]

🤔 what would one want out of a gun intended for gunker anyway?

[potent echo]

If you take ghost laspistol psyker you can just run into shooters encounters easy

[spice veldt]

a gun with good finesse (crit/weakspot)

[tame venture]

Tbh that was more about the suffering playing ogryn sometimes

[viscid matrix]

it gets 100% on t4

[tame venture]

Getting pinged from each direction

[viscid matrix]

on every laspistol

[potent echo]

Ogryn you just run in and spam slide usually works, if not you got so much health just spend it

[spice veldt]

I like the columnus IAG personally

[acoustic spade]

just throw your rock at one direction and charge to melee range to the other direction

[restive slate]

Gun psyker is not a Vet lol

[potent echo]

I'm an infernus hater, poopoo blessing

[tame venture]

I was asking what vet's doing nimrod

[potent echo]

But boss damage

[spice veldt]

vet does have exe's stance which has a node that specifically caters to killing shooters, but other classes can dunk on ranged patrols as well

[potent echo]

There's so much boss damage on other classes you don't need it

[restive slate]

Talking about gunpsyker rodnim

[acoustic spade]

imagine playing vet with Exe stance tho

[viscid matrix]

got that video of gunker taking out plague ogryn still?

[restive slate]

I can call names too lol

[spice veldt]

since you can also always just run into ranged patrols with melee on every class

[tame venture]

You know, I got a really good deadly accurate roll on a lasgun, but I crushed it for the blessing. Maybe I should roll another lol

[spice veldt]

tinyangrycrab's vid https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1x29RbMRM8ctmA/d1337gjXGWrK?invite=cr-MSw5TDIsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[tame venture]

That went right over your head lmao 🤣

[tame venture]

🤔

[spice veldt]

pre-nerf vraks 3 with DD stacks

[potent echo]

Is this post vraks nerf

Oh

[spice veldt]

too slow, cowboy

[potent echo]

[acoustic spade]

did he stagger the pogryn somehow with the dueling sword?

[restive slate]

Psyker with hat go yeehaw

[acoustic spade]

at the start

[spice veldt]

nah, he just blocked it and didn't get staggered

[potent echo]

He just blocked the charge

[spice veldt]

plague ogryn's charge isn't a guardbreak move

it just deals a lot of stamina damage

[potent echo]

You block it btw

[spice veldt]

iirc it inflicts 6 or 8 bars of stamina damage?

somewhere around that ballpark

[potent echo]

Just take it as a full stamina break, but psyker stamina regens fast

[restive slate]

Psyker has surprisingly good stam economy

[spice veldt]

shlerp

[acoustic spade]

I just want to have a better talent point economy

[viscid matrix]

only cause we dont use stamina on block

[restive slate]

But the amount of damage Scryer IAG is nuts

[tame venture]

Also I was kinda asking what classes of guns work better or worse. Like IAG vs revolver vs auto pistol etc etc

[restive slate]

Lol every psyker runs that but thanks for reminding hahaha

[potent echo]

IAG is already nuts, finesse damage out the wazoo

Only issue is mauler/crusher and sometimes mutants

[restive slate]

In my experience IAG

[spice veldt]

4/5-shot crit string on the columnus 😎

[potent echo]

Incoming nerf

[acoustic spade]

thats the only downside in running Warp Charges, you always have to spend 4 points sideways for Warp Rider+Kinetic Deflection

[spice veldt]

taken out to the back of the house like the recon lasguns

[viscid matrix]

Revolver is amazing for taking out heavily armoured enemies with Handcannon, mostly use a melee for everything else
Laspistol is great for monstrocities
Kantreal XII for single target damage too

[restive slate]

At least Columnus doesnt use Infernus

[tame venture]

Is there a build, or concept behind it to consider for gunker or just "get Scryers and DD"

[restive slate]

Speaking truth

[acoustic spade]

I'd like to run Wildfire + Creeping Flames but just dont have enough talent points for them sadge

[tame venture]

What happun

[potent echo]

Crit strings got nerfed

6d used to crit 3-4(?) shots in a row, now it's only 2

[tame venture]

Just crit more often 4hed

[restive slate]

Notice the lack of pew pew brrrts since patch14?

Lol Fleen woosh

[tame venture]

It's a meme u dip

[restive slate]

Good luck maintaining ammo

[restive slate]

I like thousand island

[acoustic spade]

not just that, the VId damage at range was also nerfed

[tame venture]

And here you're telling me gunker does wase ammo

[potent echo]

It's... Complicated

[tame venture]

Smh tbh

[potent echo]

He's talking about vet

[restive slate]

Does or doesnt

[tame venture]

Yeah

[restive slate]

Fleen be trollin

As if Gun Psyker has Shocktrooper talent

[potent echo]

Isit a buff? Isit a nerf? Who knows

[potent echo]

He doesn't know

[tame venture]

Ouch

Are the other MKs alright?

[restive slate]

Worse

[potent echo]

Oh I scuffed it

Oh well

[tame venture]

You know, regardless of what's said here, I think we can all agree on one thing.
My plasteel counts are going to suffer

https://tenor.com/view/joe-exotic-tiger-king-never-recover-financially-broke-gif-16765645

[restive slate]

Just do more damns 4head

[tame venture]

In this economy?

[wooden flare]

Oh

You are

Fucking evil

Game

296/300 on Warp Battery

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/h56i2e

[acoustic spade]

Perilous Combustion vs Lightning Storm... :X

[tame venture]

Is that a Laspistol optic mod?

[spice veldt]

ye

[tame venture]

Wherembsteve

[small reef]

Hey there, question. I don't quite understand this Penance. Do i have to keep the peril meter on red for 5 minutes or...?

[spice veldt]

i have the textures bumped down to essentially remove the holo on it so that I can see through it and just use the crosshair to aim

[wooden flare]

Bottom left keystone

[tame venture]

?

[wooden flare]

Gotta keep it at 4 stacks for 5 minutes total in a match

[spice veldt]

the weapon customization mod is currently only on the modding server and not on nexus for now

[tame venture]

Any tips for that?

[torn palm]

What is the order of priority for stats on a surge staff?

[spice veldt]

5 minute continuous

[small reef]

I never used Warp charges. Do they have a duration or something or are they only spent on ability cast?

nvm

Reading comprehension

Hm, sounds a bit tough to do if the game doesn't throw elites at you. I guess High intensity shocktroop could help

[spice veldt]

the penance was designed for pre-patch 13 warp charges but was not revised for the new warp charges

[small reef]

Hm

[tame venture]

Like the brain burst monstrosity kill One...

[small reef]

I mean, you tecnically can still do 90% of the damage to a monstrosity

As long as your team doesn't hit it

[viscid matrix]

25 seconds i believe, and they fall off 1 at a time

[small reef]

Yeah, the keystone says so

Well, if anything i'll wait for them to change how that penance is planned

If not bruteforcing it is possible

With enough luck

[fringe nacelle]

I'm starting to not understand how to play Psyched class

[restive slate]

I hope DD gets changed so it doesnt drop all stacks at once too

[restive slate]

Play private with a friend and start popping

[tame venture]

I'm aware

[small reef]

I still have to level up to try to do the other penance of brainbursting 4 elites in 12 sec

Not enough level for Heresy still

[viscid matrix]

tbh worry about those pennaces after you reach 30

[small reef]

But the fashion...

[viscid matrix]

anything you can get from redacted penances you can get a colour swap from cosmetic shop

[small reef]

That's the thing, the ones in the shop doesn't fit what i was going for

[supple ledge]

literally the only character i've struggled with stamina on is veteran

[small reef]

The ones in the penance do

[viscid matrix]

both of these are recolours of the penance one

[acoustic spade]

Darktide did a weird thing

I opened my loadout to check I have the right weapon equipped in the lobby of the game I was matchmade to

and it just went into a loading screen when I tried to close it

[small reef]

This one is the one that fits the closest to the one the penance does

[acoustic spade]

then it just stayed in that loading screen until the countdown had ended and I got the intro cinematic

[potent echo]

The game is still in early access

[restive slate]

Still waiting for launch

[potent echo]

I managed to load in to a game alone

True solo

[foggy ferry]

Is being able to upgrade your surge lightning staff through the talent tree to bounce to 1 more target intended or not?

[restive slate]

I miss playing solo with customisable bots

[viscid matrix]

its a bug, the EP buffs also applies to surge staff

[foggy ferry]

ah, and here I thought I found something cool

[viscid matrix]

cause this is also smite

[potent echo]

I would say it's not intended but who knows what is thinking

[spice veldt]

that happened to josho since the three of us were stuck in an infinite loading screen

he didn't realize until he went down the starting dropdown and immediately got bodied

[restive slate]

All by myself~

[potent echo]

Coherency 1

[supple ledge]

question for toughness on warp attack kill, does it apply per kill or per projectile

[spice veldt]

per kill

[restive slate]

Did you all pop in to see Josho ded?

[spice veldt]

nah, unfortunately

soulstealer is as good as it sounds

[restive slate]

Loner Zealots laugh

[spice veldt]

soulblaze also counts as a warp attack and will consequently proc soulstealer

[potent echo]

Tbh dreamer psyker should always have coherency 2

[spice veldt]

as a person with absolutely no vested interests, I agree

[potent echo]

Or the lore implication is that they are actually just schizo

[spice veldt]

nuh uh

[restive slate]

Just the Beloved one

[supple ledge]

i love talking to tzeentch i mean the corpse emperor i mean the beneficient emperor of mankind

[acoustic spade]

So is Sniper Resistance BiS on Psyker curios as well?

[potent echo]

You need hp curios or at least 2-3 stacks of sniper resist to make a difference

[acoustic spade]

I mean if the answer was just yes I would just do +20% sniper resist on all curios

[potent echo]

I take only 1 sniper resist and with 165hp it still does more than half

Might as well not have any

Or do I have sniper resist? I changed my curios around too much

[potent echo]

You can probably tank 3 shots before going down without HP curios, more if you do

[shadow oar]

what are bis blessings for void staff and illusi

[bleak tulip]

surge nexus for void

idk slaughterer for illisi I guess? Haven't used it since the patch tbh

[shadow oar]

what about dueling sword?

[valid talon]

Uncanny and either precognition or riposte

[echo turtle]

Dodge

It's the easiest thing to dodge

[idle bay]

when game not lagging like crazy. Which it does recently more than ever

[potent echo]

Yea but everyone gets hit by sniper shots

Forced hits or bad dodges etc

[echo turtle]

Getting sniped should be pretty rare

[idle bay]

It is rare, yes.

[echo turtle]

BIS is health, toughness and coold down reduction, one 20% gunner res is worth

If it's rare it is a waste of a perk

[idle bay]

it used to be a lot more snipers per mission. They were greatly reducrd in numbers

[potent echo]

BiS is revive speed always

[idle bay]

BiS is not going down 🙂

[potent echo]

Imagine all the games lost because you needed that faster revive to dodge a mutant/dog/net/bomber

[brazen warren]

I run all revive speed on vet with the rez talent and stealth

save all the runs

[uncut leaf]

Is void still good or not, feels kinda shit to me after a few runs

[languid tusk]

interesting, just finished a game with 3 psykers. surge psyker had 500k damage by the end of the match, trauma had 400k and voidstrike had 300k

[valid talon]

Nerf was larger than it seemed because it made hitting breakpoints for maniacs a lot harder

It also reduced effectiveness against carapice by a further 25% so you barely tickle crushers

[languid tusk]

so, in short, voidstrike is now bad

[valid talon]

Its definately inferior to surge staff (even before the EP bug) IMO, but if you can consistently hit headshots with it it can be good

[uncut leaf]

Still infinitely better than it was pre patch 13

[valid talon]

Builds with it just require a lot more skill to pull off

[tame venture]

Not bad but no longer best in slot

[valid talon]

Meanwhile the surge staff is basically easy mod

Extremely easy to get good rolls since it only has 3 blessings

Pretty much autotargets things

[uncut leaf]

Nah that’s an insane take, surge without ep is so dogshit

[valid talon]

Does not need many talents and can't make use of them

[tame venture]

Surge is basically a 1 target delete, with a 2nd getting slapped though

[terse saffron]

vs definitely has its uses and still oneshots maniacs on headshots

[valid talon]

You probably just havent used it enough, its definately niche and a lot harder to pull off without EP

[tame venture]

Tbh hitting a full charge void ball through a swarm at head height was satisfying

[terse saffron]

also cleaves through them for long range train oneshots

[spice veldt]

I think people are just feeling the placebo effect on the void hard since the damage nerf was relatively minor

[valid talon]

Yeah its got that meaty CLUNK when you do it too

[uncut leaf]

Harder to pull off? I think you meant to say it kills things way too slow

[valid talon]

20% is not minor?

[spice veldt]

unless you aren't fully charging the voidstrike, I fail to see how it became significantly weaker

[tame venture]

Transfer peril is fun with it too, as you can tell you launched it well when you go warp negative

[valid talon]

For me its because the staff no longer hits a lot of one shot breakpoints on bodyshots for maniacs

[tame venture]

Shoot again?

[spice veldt]

765 damage to 675 damage, a reduction by 90 dmg

[tame venture]

It may hit them with its pierce or splash

[terse saffron]

it has one of the biggest hurt boxes and counts as headshot when you aim slightly higher than center mass

especially at longer ranges

[spice veldt]

the splash has peepee poopoo damage

[bleak tulip]

you can still probably one shot crushers with void with stacks and a crit

havent tested but my first testing in 14 you basically do like 85% damage to it

[tame venture]

Yes but if 1 shot leaves them at 1% health you just need to ping them

[spice veldt]

true

675 is 88.2% of 765, so that's in the ballpark of what i'd consider a minor nerf

[bleak tulip]

its still pretty comical, and now everyone moved on to the next thing and is leaving me with my void again

[spice veldt]

Ill shoot the void in the kneecaps

[bleak tulip]

you wouldnt

[spice veldt]

🔫

I'm a vet main now

[bleak tulip]

Ill take mk4 with me as I go down

fuck

[spice veldt]

my heart is made of steel

[tame venture]

Actually, cool ideafor voidstrike. Have the LMB projectiles detonate the void ball for a bigger blast and damage

https://youtube.com/shorts/MsvjPk3d_iY?si=a9P9CHqa15w8UGGV

EG:

[spice veldt]

ooh yeah

[tame venture]

Or like one of the guns from quake I can't remember

[spice veldt]

I'd love to see whacky mechanics like that

[tame venture]

Or unreal tournament?

[spice veldt]

Psyker staffs are basically the best foundation to do whacky shit with

[terse saffron]

would be fun to see wish.com shock rifle but those orbs travel too fast for that

[tame venture]

Btw that gun is actually really fun to play with, since that blast can basically one shot anything under that game's equivalent of a bulwark

Ah shock rifle

Could crank the velocity down more

Or make a whole new weapon

[terse saffron]

thats the last thing i would want to be cranked down wtf

right after cleave

[tame venture]

One step back two steps forward kinda balance I mean

Velocity goes down, but you get a skill based damage boost

[terse saffron]

make it cleave flak more and i'll think about that

[tame venture]

🤔

Idea

[bleak tulip]

god you dont even understand how much I want that

years of muscle memory for nothing because barely any game uses that mechanic

and its such a good one

[terse saffron]

"please i just want a pocket trauma is that too much to ask"

[tame venture]

Well as I showed, Deep Rock Galactic uses it

And it's extra useful there for how it can carve terrain

Which is like, 30% of the game lol

[spice veldt]

voidstrike is psyker's only precision force staff, so once another more dedicated precision force staff gets added, then I can see the voidstrike family getting reworked into something more interesting

[valid talon]

Its hardly a choice IMO. You can dodge when quelling for survival and speed, and 5% CDR for your team on special/elite kill is massive

[tame venture]

An idea:
200 cleave projectile...
But 7 m/s velocity

Magic quad lazer

[bleak tulip]

inb4 they keep buffing left click and it becomes an actual primary function of staves

[valid talon]

Wouldn't that be straight inferior to the plasma gun?

[bleak tulip]

monkey paw curls

every staff is a precision staff now

[terse saffron]

it already kinda is with rng BB

[tame venture]

Plasma has only 100 cleave and the projectile is short lived

[valid talon]

I mean honestly once you get used to dodging while quelling its a lot easier

[tame venture]

Think of slapping it in a doorway and everything trying to enter walks into it and dies

[rose dagger]

The CDR does seem too good to pass up

[terse saffron]

use transfer peril vs and never quell

[valid talon]

Heretics are stupid but I don't think they're THAT stupid lmao

Then again i've seen single normal groaners walk up to ogryns and slap them

So its open season really

[terse saffron]

is that supposed to multihit? or 1 hit per orb per enemy? cuz that would melt monstrosities

[tame venture]

given how some psykers ask if the rest of the team can actually see things, they may not be able to tell it's there

like imagine some moving empty space mulching people in a crowd

OH THAT'S IT

BLACK HOLE STAFF

great peril generation, slow projectile, but long lived, high damage, and maybe attracts enemies under a certain health range?

so poxwalkers automatically, groaners that got chipped, etc

[shadow oar]

i make this gold yeah?

[languid tusk]

yes

its good

[sinful olive]

i was about to say I wasn't sure if there was a canon instance of psykers being able to produce singularities of any kind in the 40k universe, but what do you know:

check the bottom one

[shadow oar]

is the goal flak/maniac uncanny/riposte?

[sinful olive]

give vortex staff

[tame venture]

it doesn't have to be an actual singularity, but can just behave/look like one

[languid tusk]

worst case scenario you could also do flak unarmored

[sinful olive]

ye for sure

tearing open a warp rift makes sense

[shadow oar]

is rampage bad on dueling?

[languid tusk]

it's not optimal, dueling is mostly about oneshotting things with heavies and weakspot damage

not a bad blessing though, you can keep it if you care about flak/maniac combo more than blessing combo

[golden tartan]

Fun thing about vortex of doom.

It uh...

Has a tendency to kill its caster xD

[kind jay]

i am EXTRA coherent!

[sinful olive]

judging by the regularity that psykers blow themselves to smitheroons anyway in darktide this wouldn't be out of place

[restive slate]

I want Psyker last explosion that kills them to be a hazard to allies as well

[sinful olive]

it really should be but

[restive slate]

Imagine it results in a weakened daemonhost boss

[sinful olive]

that would be a really easy way for people to grief

[restive slate]

Also a good lesson to watch your peril for beginner psykers

I remember playing Psyker in Inquisitor Martyr and spawning extra daemons for my friends to deal with. Fun times

[sinful olive]

maybe if it was like, a bump of 10 corruption along with breaking toughness, I'd like that

but anything drastic and people will be shitheels with it

at the drop of a hat

[restive slate]

At the very least, getting knocked back

I propose the same for plasma explosion

[glossy ember]

run n gun suddenly becomes a bis blessing

[restive slate]

Only thing that erks me is the animation of our psyker just throwing out those bolts like they are having a spasm

[golden tartan]

You mean they arent?

[orchid shadow]

Gotta love seeing "gg" as you quick play into a game. Then Masozi nopes and U-turns with you stuck in the drop ship for 2 minutes.

[lucid terrace]

[tame venture]

"yeah they got this handled. convenient for you a new mission just started! in this region called.... Brazil"

[foggy goblet]

how the f do i build scrier's psyker

It feels like DD is pretty antithetical for a co-op game so I feel as though I have to take Warp Siphon for some buffs
do I just avoid keystones period?

[brazen warren]

look in the psyker build sub thread here, there are a few scrier builds in there.

I go WS for maximum damage buff uptime, but you could go DD for more movespeed

and by damage buff uptime, im talking about the WS damage buff for when scrier is on cooldown

[foggy goblet]

ahh so you're not as reliant on Scrier's for damage, I see
I'll take a look into it and try to cobble something together
thanks so much!

[brazen warren]

scriers hits breakpoints for some things, but the movespeed, crit, and toughness damage resist is the big pull for me

[worthy scaffold]

anyway to improve the perks, jsut got warp nexus 4 but i mainly use the 2nd skill

[plucky flax]

Yeah put maniac on it to kill specials easier.

[worn blade]

im trying out psyker as my second character and i really like the force sword

[rough cedar]

which one of these blessings is better?

[terse saffron]

none

wait for another duplicate of one of those blessings to roll and feed them to hadron

[devout sentinel]

melk blessed me today

[glossy ember]

this any good on psyker, and do i give a f about stability

oh, guide says stab is important

rip

[silent chasm]

why would you lasgun when we have void sticc

[glossy ember]

i just like having weapon variety at hand

in case i ever feel like trying it

[worn blade]

why tf does psyker have so many axes

[unkempt knoll]

PSYKERS this zealot must know has your "beloved" taught you how too bust a move?

[thin finch]

Other weapon fun

[potent echo]

Should have used it in patch 13

[kind jay]

can't bust a move but i can bust a nut

and i don't care if the god emprah watches

[silent chasm]

My beloved's certainly taught me to bust something but I'm not sure it's a move

[unkempt knoll]

pray too the emperor

[worn blade]

Is the voidstrike staff good?

Same question for purgatus force staff

[kind jay]

yes to both

all staves are good rn

[worn blade]

I find the staffs really fun

What's the big niche of the voidstrike staff?

Just single target damage?

[kind jay]

it's a railgun

it can do that or even horde clear

[worn blade]

How so?

Is the alt fire piercing?

[kind jay]

yep

with heavy stagger just for kicks

works on bosses too

[potent echo]

Crazy suppression too

[devout sentinel]

just got my first decent IV dueling sword. any tips for using it?

[cedar remnant]

Heavy attack elites

[obtuse moth]

heavy stab all the taggable enemies

you can instantly fire the altfire after a jab

and permastunlock anything that doesnt die in two hits

[potent echo]

Press the funny stab to end rager's career

[obtuse moth]

the altfire headshot will stop a mutant charge

but you can just kill in 1-2 pokes instead

[inland sand]

Dumpstat on Voidstrike is blast radius right

[inland sand]

stab in face and run uncanny strike

[trail rivet]

what is the best mellee for psyker

[inland sand]

lots of good options, what's your preference for attack types?

[trail rivet]

just a quick hit to keep enemies away

[devout sentinel]

yeah I got uncanny strike 3 and shred 3 on it

[inland sand]

what perks?

[devout sentinel]

20% maniac and 20% unarmored

had to lock unarmored as the other one was + stamina

[inland sand]

yeah all g that's what I have locked on mine as well

I would be tempted to roll off shred for a better blessing

Shred pretty mid on Duelers I reckon

[devout sentinel]

it's good enough for now

now I just need to practice. and remember to sometimes use the special

I'm bad with melee special attacks on all characters

[native plover]

Man i can't help but feel sad not every class have a guide as high-quality as the Ogrynomicon

[plucky flax]

You should test stuff for yourself. Don't take guides as gospel.

Some stuff I don't agree with in our psyker guide too.

[native plover]

I don't. I just think it's quite high quality.

[plucky flax]

I did have a glance at it. While the layout and formatting are high quality. Some of the suggestions cater to a very specific playstyle.

[native plover]

They do, which is why i don't take them as "gospel" i do think it is good for someone who just got the game though to use as a "baseline" to try things based off of

It does summarize what the trees are about pretty good though imo

[keen slate]

Wow, nice gift

[heady garnet]

Do these two talents affect the nomanus staff or is it only the EP?

[lyric burrow]

They affect the surge staff as well

[heady garnet]

dude i learned yesterday that EP buffs the nomanus staff 😭

this entire time i thought it was ONLY lightning storm and enfeeble

I was thinking "why is this good +1 jump and 10% base damage seems pretty meh compared to warp charges"

frickin lifechanging

[lyric burrow]

Doesnt even need smite lol

Well it does for the 2 smite nodes but not the added damage from ep

[heady garnet]

YEAH I WAS SO HYPED YESTERDAY WHEN I LEARNED THAT

Now I'm debating whether to switch from smite to assail or BB, simply because there's not that many times there's one extra carapace or elite that I can't grab

[idle bay]

You still have at least a week to exploit the living crap out of it 🙂

[heady garnet]

real week or fatshark week

[frosty pasture]

what should I reroll?

[keen slate]

Pyromancer psyker is so strong wtf

[heady garnet]

I'm a huge fan of surgical and hand-cannon interacts with assail crits which is very nice if you're running assail (which I think you run as your horde clear option)

[frosty pasture]

I dig it. I need to find those blessings first

[heady garnet]

I bought this straight from Melks as my first revolver so rngesus loved me

[frosty pasture]

I think Imma keep the perks the way they are now

[heady garnet]

My vet bf says crucial roulette would be good, though we already have so much base crit

[frosty pasture]

Mine just dropped as a end of mission reward and I maxxed it out off rip

[heady garnet]

I personally wouldn't use run n gun but it's probably a skill issue because I exclusively ads cause I suck at aiming

That's so juicy

I ran my first auric yesterday and was SHOOK when it dropped a gold weapon

People say that the benefits to revolver and laspistol is partially due to your mobility but I feel like our talents already give us so much?

[frosty pasture]

I already run lots of crit with assail

I'm looking for those blessings now.

[frosty pasture]

Plus the flame staff is way more fun

Can't beat FWOOOOSH

[heady garnet]

When I run lightning staff/revolver: duo runs ST guns

When I run flame staff: duo runs spammy horde clear guns

its a curse 😭

[tulip hornet]

Can someone suggest me a good assail build?

[heady garnet]

Assail is super versatile it depends on what ranged weapon you're running

What's your current preference?

[tulip hornet]

Atm I'm running surge staff

[umbral helm]

I've considered building a revolver for a while now but I've been enjoying running a Mk VII Vraks, feels good to shoot

[steel solstice]

Warp rider vs Warp battery?

[queen fog]

Warp rider gives a base 10% to ur damage at no peril

Clash that math with warp battery’s damage buff to get what’d u prefer

[steel solstice]

battery does cooldown for skill, peril generation and a bit of damage

so its dmg vs utility?

[queen fog]

Beats me I got both on my build but couldn’t snag a lot of junk at the right cuz of it

A noble sacrifice for more damage

[unique mist]

rider

[bleak tulip]

rider

[steel solstice]

True aim is too good with voidstrike

[bleak tulip]

rider is permanent 10% minimum

[queen fog]

I just slap on warp nexus and call it a day

[unique mist]

you should run the 4% warp charge gain chance instead of 10% soulblaze one

[steel solstice]

[queen fog]

But I feel ya guaranteed crit is nice

[unique mist]

its straight better in pretty much all cases

[steel solstice]

even if I run both perilous combustion and wildfire?

[unique mist]

Yes

If you arent using purgatus

[steel solstice]

and shriek with soulblaze?

[bleak tulip]

yeah its literally 2% more even if you somehow always had 6 charges, which you dont

[unique mist]

even then i wouldnt choose it

[heady garnet]

@tulip hornet

These are some of the talents which I feel like are very core to nomanus, especially with assail

[unique mist]

Overpowering souls is better than biolodestone IMO

[bleak tulip]

yes, 4% on all kills by all team members ni coherency is better than a slightly higher chance only from one source of damage

thats why

it would probably still be better if you always set every enemy on fire instantly

sure would be more consistent

unless you literally kill everything yourself

[unique mist]

yeah I tried both without purgatus and 4% came out on top with max soulblaze talents

even with purgatus

It wasnt better

[bleak tulip]

I cannot overstate how often vampire triggers, its very very good

[heady garnet]

@unique mist my premades are generally better than me so they have really good reaction time to elites, but you're def right

I might try out overpowering souls tonight because I've been feeling more confident recently

[unique mist]

like a guaranteed chance on elites/specials with just how dense they are in higher difficulties is much better than an additive 5% chance increase

[steel solstice]

I'd rather not answer that

[bleak tulip]

[steel solstice]

noted. thanks.

[plucky flax]

[bleak tulip]

but yeah especially on higher difficulties where you can average like 100 kills a minute team wide, its kind of a no brainer

[umbral helm]

while not a point in its favor of being better, a neat detail I always enjoyed about the soulblaze one is that it doesn't have to be your soulblaze that kills it, unless they changed that with the talent trees

[bleak tulip]

yeah, I am a little curious how many purg psykers it would take for it to overtake vampire

[summer prairie]

but it's 10% for all kills for targets with your SB, not just for your kills

[bleak tulip]

true enough

[tulip hornet]

How are you getting psykinetics aura if its not available when using assail

[heady garnet]

wait i'm dumb

[bleak tulip]

figure you'd have to be very dilligent to get that many targets painted

[heady garnet]

wrong talent tree

i was looking at my nomanus build not my assail build'

[summer prairie]

might be better with blaze trauma

[heady garnet]

disregard everythingn i said

[steel solstice]

What the actual fuck

[dark stag]

When you're consecrating for blessings is it best to just upgrade to purple and then earn/scrap or do the higher level blessings only appear on yellow weapons?

[tulip hornet]

Luckily I noticed it

[steel solstice]

here goes my luck for the year I guess

[heady garnet]

BRO

[bleak tulip]

lol

[heady garnet]

not 550 may as well be bricked /s

[bleak tulip]

now eat it for warp flurry

[steel solstice]

[unique mist]

Get the fuck outta here

[tulip hornet]

So

[bleak tulip]

not literally 80 damage, bricked

[tulip hornet]

What aura should I go for with assail

[bleak tulip]

its not perfect, hold x

[unique mist]

Crit or regen

[bleak tulip]

auras matter relatively little, I basicall go CDR on everything

because 10 a bigger number, realistically it doesnt matter a lot

[hollow jolt]

CDR is best imo

[bleak tulip]

I guess if you wanna go all assail you can take crit but I dont think its really worth it

[hollow jolt]

Helps a ton with Vets

Ogryns too

[bleak tulip]

as it has been put in the past, "auras are for the most part just normal talent notes with a bigger symbol, it looks like they should matter but they barely do"

[heady garnet]

Vets are sluts for Prescience

[hollow jolt]

The ammo one and cooldown reduct auras are insanely good at least

[bleak tulip]

taking crit throws you into a choice of two pretty bad talents is my main issue with it

[hollow jolt]

Granted cooldown requires teammates with enough spare IQ to use them

[bleak tulip]

yeah ammo is the one exception, the CDR matters more than like 3% damage thats for sure but its still tame

[hollow jolt]

Yeah its mostly for stuff like Taunt spam and Vet VoC spam

[bleak tulip]

still dont take ammo on vet because it makes vet mains angry and I only play vet for melkies

[hollow jolt]

Zealots technically get benefit but they have so much reduct anyways

[hollow jolt]

It also usually saves points in my experience

[umbral helm]

"what do you mean I should use my volley fire more? I'm saving it for when I really need it"

[steel solstice]

I'd love some warp nexus on my stick

[hollow jolt]

I had a vet not use VoC more than 5 times in a 30 minute game

[steel solstice]

idk if it'll be good with venting in combat

[bleak tulip]

this is like the only good talent on that line imo

[hollow jolt]

30s cooldown, 50% uptime, no more than 5 uses

[bleak tulip]

so youre locked into CDR or the one I dont remember its so boring

so cdr it is

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

At least its not some bullshit like "3% damage" which leads to some of the best Vet talents but is garbage

[bleak tulip]

thats why I run it, I dont have to waste two points

just hoover all the ammo before your team can and youre good

vet mentality

(note I will never play vet in aurics or maelstrom, dont follow this advice)

[hollow jolt]

Brb bringing plasma vet with no Scavenger into Auric

[umbral helm]

I like to test a lot of that misc stuff out sometimes to see what it actually does in practice, every character's got their 4 established builds and then a 5th one I mark with a cog wheel that's just "I'm testing this dumb fucking idea I had"

[hollow jolt]

I use 5th slot for my "stupid name" char

[bleak tulip]

brb bringing my zealot and shooting everything with my revolver JUST TO STEAL AMMO FROM YOU

[hollow jolt]

And the other 4 slots for my stupid meme builds UwU

[hollow jolt]

D:

Not even Tzeentch would do such a terrible plot

[bleak tulip]

but yeah ammo is apparently meta for people who use ammo

I wouldnt know I basically only play psyker in auric

I couldnt care less

[hollow jolt]

Its a shame too because I want to run plasma + krak grenades but the point tax is too high

[bleak tulip]

that sounded more profound in my head

one of the statements of all time

[hollow jolt]

It highlights the root of the problem well imo

[tulip hornet]

Just use the flamer so you can shoot one burst of flame and then take the ammo

[bleak tulip]

feed all ammo to gunlugger ogryn instead

he deserves it more

[tulip hornet]

That's because he's a good boy

[bleak tulip]

at least you know that guy is having fun

and not malding about his talent tree or whatever vets do in their spare time

[umbral helm]

too busy making everyone else angry with taunts to be angry themselves

[hollow jolt]

Based on my experience, complaining about assail psykers

[tulip hornet]

Nah vets scream about people who disrespect cadia

[hollow jolt]

Pre-nerf assail

Was so funny I had to screenshot

[umbral helm]

I distinctly remember a day after the patch came out, my friend who played vet a lot was getting annoyed at how quickly I was clearing rooms and I just simply said "now you know how we felt"

[hollow jolt]

Tbh I was happy to have classes able to support me

Did people like having to be the only person that could efficiently take out shooters lol

[umbral helm]

I managed to be an effective psyker before talent trees so the trees coming out just made it really stand out

[hollow jolt]

Indeed, just felt so restrictive and forced specific playstyles constantly imo

Granted, "just play lower difficulty" but that's just avoiding the problem

[bleak tulip]

how many of the vets are fooled by the "nerf" that barely was one I wonder

I also did find it funny that sometimes getting a shitton of gunners killed in matches got me called out as an assail psyker, which reminded me I hadnt even used assail the whole round

[hollow jolt]

Indeed, then they got buffed plasma and voice of command which is basically pre-nerf Vet but team-wide now

Truly Vets are the most spoiled class

[umbral helm]

iirc, the reason psykers were so hard nerfed into the dirt originally was because they performed too well at launch on the lower difficulties and people were upset like they are now. but everyone should be capable of doing their job at higher tiers of difficulties, if they're stronger as a result on the lower ones... then it's working as intended, I would think

[hollow jolt]

Yeah assail was too good early on

Only volume of enemies truly slowed down psyker

You could get assail at like lvl 5 or something

[bleak tulip]

they never balanced BB so on launch psykers kept stealing vets kills at range without effort because everybody was playing malice and had shit guns and no idea what was good

[hollow jolt]

Uprising with assail is lol

[bleak tulip]

launch was basically a buncha psykers using BB all match it was horrid

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

And Vets getting assblasted because of melee bleedthrough

Zealots still had the funny revive skill and Ogryns were vibing

[umbral helm]

in short, people are always going to find something to complain about, regardless of validity

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

Even Ogryns had their issues like when the game goes "oops all gunners"

[bleak tulip]

there was a time when I remember ogrn players complaining they had no damage but I didnt play the class at the time

I for one greatly enjoyed the two weeks of vets being giga mad

sad its over but it was fun while it lasted

[hollow jolt]

Yeah Ogryns only had like 1 "good" melee weapon pre-patch 13

Because it was the only one with Slaughterer :p

[umbral helm]

I just use what feels good, regardless. always feels too restrictive otherwise in a game with buildmaking

[hollow jolt]

I use what works best

Winning is fun

[umbral helm]

people get so caught up in the numbers game sometimes, but if it's how they have their fun I won't knock them for it, it's just not what I personally play for

[clear heath]

wtf soulblaze outdamaged 2 people

[bleak tulip]

pub moment

[clear heath]

honestly pretty chill game though. spawns were generous to us

[hollow jolt]

Its fine not being top damage but 196 kills on trash mobs?

[umbral helm]

might've been a late join

[clear heath]

no they were all there from the start

[undone carbon]

tragic

[hollow jolt]

They got trapped 5 times, so not a good look regardless lol

[bleak tulip]

13 disables 2 downs 4 killed 💀

[clear heath]

1 zealot was using chorus, vet was using voice of command, other zealot was using stealth
I guess they all wanted to be support???

[umbral helm]

sometimes, it's just not your game

[hollow jolt]

Indeed that's the funny one

[bleak tulip]

thats a lot

[hollow jolt]

Genuinely worse than a bot at that point

[bleak tulip]

I had like one of those teammates the other day and luckily theyre rare

[hollow jolt]

Which is funny

[clear heath]

one of the zealots was actually playing the game.
The other 2 were miles behind getting trapped over and over

idk what they were doing

hunting poxwalkers or something

[hollow jolt]

Their best UwU

Probably plasteel?

[clear heath]

I just gave up on waiting for them and just accepted that i was gonna do all the pushing

[hollow jolt]

They have some decent resource pickup count

[umbral helm]

people do tend to overlook resources a lot sometimes, though if you're gonna loot rat you should be capable of handling yourself, otherwise it's not worth the effort if you get caught out

[clear heath]

yeah maybe they were just looting

[primal aurora]

What are good weapons for gun psyker? I run with laspistol and quickly run out of ammo if I shoot a lot.

[clear heath]

sure took them really long though

[umbral helm]

I tend to lag behind a little because I'm usually the one covering the rear or taking potshots from the back at elites, but I'm also usually combing over the resources people miss. you'd be surprised how often people walk right by stuff

[undone carbon]

im usually the one doing all the looting in my games, people just walk by plasteel all the time

[umbral helm]

to be fair, sometimes they love to shove it in really weird spots, but I'm really thorough so it doesn't get missed most of the time

[quick tulip]

I use laspistol myself and weave it into melee a bit like revolver; the fact of the matter is that a gunker will always be ammo hungry but your burst damage potential is way higher

[umbral helm]

yeah, though of all the guns I've used, Vraks seems to be a bit more ammo efficient

I ran it once on a maelstrom with no ammo pickups and managed pretty well. was low by the end of it but it did its job

[primal aurora]

Which melee do you combine it with?

[clear heath]

also tbf, trash mobs actually never reach us

i just shriek through walls like 2 rooms over and the poxwalkers all die before they reach us from the soulblaze

creeping flames is too funny

[umbral helm]

it scratches that funny itch to watch a status effect spread

[quick tulip]

An illissi usually, but that's because I know how it handles and the breakpoints it has like the back of my hand; a duelling sabre or axe could work

Smite for crushers so others can murder them but the pistol can be used in a pinch.
Bulwarks become your weakspot in my experience

[umbral helm]

don't think I've ever built an axe, come to think of it. I should look into making one at some point

[primal aurora]

I'm currently running with this

[quick tulip]

P good, I run criticals give toughness and immunity to suppression on my laspistol

[hollow jolt]

Surprised you're not using Ghost

"Oops all gunner" moments are a pain

Nice sword though c:

[quick tulip]

I like unstable power+deflector so I can use gaze or stacking illissi activations for quicker breakpoints

[clear heath]

wow going from 20% to 21% max hp curio actually matters for me

with 1 sniper res perk and 1 hp curio, it's the difference between dying to 2 sniper shots and surviving with 1 hp

[supple sedge]

what do psykers think of cadia?

[primal aurora]

what cadia?

[supple sedge]

hmm

[hollow jolt]

Damn nice

I've been trying to get a Vet build to facetank snipers

Because shock trooper is just a little joker like that sometimes

Good to know Psyker can take a hit (albeit barely)

[clear heath]

Yeah i got super tilted when a sniper shot me at 1 wound and killed me while i was grabbing medicae station
and then i did the math and realized i would've survived if i had literally 2 more hp

now they will never do this to me again

[long wharf]

Last night, I ran into a corridor just to be immediately one-shot by a Crusher (overhead swing)

[hollow jolt]

Sadly nothing you can do about that lol

[long wharf]

Like, he was in the middle of the swing and I rounded the corner right into it

[hollow jolt]

Except have devil claw parry always up I guess

[hollow jolt]

Your beloved now protects you UwU

[long wharf]

Funny thing is, I was picked up, and the crusher was waiting for me to stand up

The team had a good laugh

[hollow jolt]

Yeah I had a mission where I was picking up an Ogryn and saw a mauler just standing there

The enemies have become more polite lately

[long wharf]

The crusher timed his next overhead swing for the split second I was picked up

[onyx sentinel]

did my first auric maelstorm

[long wharf]

Nothing I could do about it x2

[onyx sentinel]

how come you can't stagger the green fucks

[clear heath]

because they're green

[boreal meteor]

I dont want them to fix empowered surge staff

[clear heath]

being stinky makes you hard to stagger apparently

[boreal meteor]

It's gonna be a sad day

[umbral helm]

Nurgle filled them with the power of Mountain Dew and the acidity gives them untold power

[bleak tulip]

acid reflux from hell

[long wharf]

They're been because they're extra mad

[strong gulch]

Like this.
#psyker-class message

[long wharf]

Gamma ray poisoning does that

[long wharf]

The cackling hyena threw me for a loop

Was that the point of the video?

[strong gulch]

Josho things

[umbral helm]

the running joke with my friend group is that the trappers, the thirsty bitches they are, always target me. so, learning that they can receive the blessing has added another layer of comedy

[long wharf]

Mutants really like my psyker

[next mist]

https://tenor.com/view/gas-spilling-gas-spilling-idc-gif-25176138

[clear heath]

never let anyone convince you that 1% hp is meaningless

[next mist]

guns and trinkets arent where i want them to be but

[long wharf]

I'd rather have 1% more health than 1% more toughness on a psyker

[clear heath]

I still run a lot of toughness curios

lets me be more aggressive and tank a few shoots as i kill things

but there's a limit to how low hp is bareable for me

[long wharf]

I prefer to stand juuuuuust slightly behind teammates and let them tank shots for me

[clear heath]

I frontline a lot

[long wharf]

Especially with a surge staff

[clear heath]

I run surge staff too

[long wharf]

I frontline with assail

[clear heath]

I frontline with creeping flames

scream at the next room so they're all dead before they reach our team

creeping flames has a lot more value if you use it on enemies far away

[long wharf]

I like that, but I prefer to shriek at max peril

[clear heath]

because using them on close enemies ends up wasting it when your teammates don't understand that the entire horde of poxwalkers is already dead

[zinc ether]

Hadron's alright sometimes.

[clear heath]

I just spam illisi and run up to the next room

for peril

[sweet pelican]

what staff is good with assail?

[long wharf]

I also run Illisi with surge staff

[long wharf]

Void is hard to beat

[sweet pelican]

is it good at killing monst/armor?

[long wharf]

It excels at that

Because it pierces everything

[sweet pelican]

ooo i see

[long wharf]

"cleaves"

[clear heath]

It does really good against armor
And the other staffs kinda just suck at monstrocities so it's better in comparison

me when i'm stuck with a surge staff against BoN

and cry

[long wharf]

Yeah, psyker doesn't really have effective boss-kill

[umbral helm]

void's got that nice crunch when you get a line of enemies and nail them in the head with a charged shot

[long wharf]

Best we have is void staff

The "spak" when you line up heads is chef kiss

[sweet pelican]

ah i see

[umbral helm]

could honestly just play a mission that's a bunch of poxwalkers in a line with voidstrike and be happy

[sweet pelican]

u guys got any good talen build for it too?

cuz im completley new to psyker

[long wharf]

The only thing I'd change with void is adding massive blood splatter when you remove enemy heads

I want to see a painted hallway

[umbral helm]

yeah, the gibbing that surge does now is a contender for satisfying effects

[keen slate]

Thanks

https://tenor.com/view/cat-eating-soup-gif-25773991

[long wharf]

The gibbing is half the reason to use surge

[umbral helm]

yeah, like the bug is whatever, I just like seeing red mist

[long wharf]

Well, the bug makes the surge staff feel strong

I wasn't a fan before

[umbral helm]

I'd be using it regardless

[clear heath]

I'm not even using the bug

it's strong enough imo

well, i guess the extra chain might be a bug and i'm using that

[long wharf]

I wouldn't use the surge staff at lower damage

[umbral helm]

I used it before the bug, did well enough, I'll be using it after they fix the bug

[long wharf]

I don't think the extra chain is a bug, but I won't be surprised if the also goes away when Fatshark addresses surge+EP

[clear heath]

This was me using surge staff with warp charges in auric high shock

it's fine

although if they remove the extra chain i will be a little upset

[long wharf]

The extra chain does very little damage

[clear heath]

that's true, but it does stagger

[long wharf]

I would prefer the surge staff to do full damage to all targets

[clear heath]

having the easiest ways to deal with gunner hordes is part of why i like surge, and the stagger is a part of that

[long wharf]

Gunners being staggered by assail works as well