#psyker-class

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bright mica
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True

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Was wanting to do this sorta build on Gaze with funny crit chance

clear heath
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4 stacks on its own applied all at once doesn't seem to be doing much of anything tho

bright mica
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then use Warp Siphon

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too bad Warp Siphon STILL DOESNT WORK WITH GAZE

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THANKS FATSHARK

robust sierra
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any of you guys willing to help me upgrade my force swords

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I don't know what's good and what isn't

bright mica
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no sorry

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jk go off

robust sierra
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ok so like

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I'll start with deimos

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afaik uncanny strike and slaughterer is the best right

bright mica
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I mean depends what you want out of it

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and how you're gonna use it

robust sierra
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I upgraded my 2 best from brunt's and this is what I got

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so shit

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you think I should take the first one up to gold and see if I get lucky? cause it has carapace which is good I presume

bright mica
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relying on ult/staff for hordes

vestal fulcrum
robust sierra
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right

robust sierra
vestal fulcrum
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I mean, give it a try if you don't feel like doing anything else with your currency

bright mica
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Dodge -> headshot damage goes brrr

surreal mural
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gunpsykers who have used headhunter autoguns: How to deal with ragers on damnation? Currently running brainburst for them and crushers but ragers keep killing me

bright mica
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Dueling Swords destroy them

robust sierra
surreal mural
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I use dueling sword. Am I missing something?

bright mica
robust sierra
bright mica
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use your special

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you're welcome

surreal mural
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The poke

bright mica
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yes

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it staggers them

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always

surreal mural
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Oh ok

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Ty friend

bright mica
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it's literally the Ogryn uppercut

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but better

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because way faster

vestal fulcrum
bright mica
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keep dodging to avoid getting horded by them

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ezpz

vestal fulcrum
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Ideally both, but you aren't guaranteed that the second blessing will be either of them

bright mica
robust sierra
robust sierra
bright mica
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I don't like Slaughterer on my Deimos because I use it as an elite killer exclusively

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so those stacks rarely get used

strong gulch
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Warp Charge surge staff isn't too shabby.

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robust sierra
strong gulch
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Obviously EP surge does more dmage, but warp charge is comfier peril management.

bright mica
robust sierra
bright mica
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Rending on Enemy Weakpoint hit

robust sierra
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okay

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so that wouldn't be awful for the deimos

bright mica
robust sierra
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yeah I think for my deimos I'll just upgrade it and see what I get

bright mica
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yeah go nuts :D

robust sierra
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is the shred one good?

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cause it got shred 4

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lucky ish roll

bright mica
robust sierra
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that's soulblaze right

bright mica
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yea

robust sierra
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I think for my illisi I would probably want to go for slaughterer

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cause it'll be my hordeclear option

spare sail
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i have a blazing spirit with bloodthirsty ilisi and its acutally pretty fun to use

bright mica
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Soulblaze can spread with a talent, one crit isn't enough but with Shred 4 you will spread a lot of DOT

spare sail
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just spec into soulblaze

bright mica
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It'll go crazy

robust sierra
bright mica
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crit on special

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guaranteed soulblaze spread

spare sail
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on special gurante crit

robust sierra
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ok I could do that

bright mica
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Albeit Shred 4 will prob put out more crits per second

spare sail
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probably

robust sierra
bright mica
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specially if you just slam lights non stop

robust sierra
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yeah

spare sail
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but the aoe cleave is fun on special

bright mica
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Oh man I kinda wanna get a shred + soulblaze Deimos now

robust sierra
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ok as for staffs, if I earn flurry on this is it restricted to surge staffs only or can I use it for all staffs

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bright mica
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Surge

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only

robust sierra
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shucks

bright mica
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Eh I mean

winter siren
bright mica
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Warp Flurry is great on Surge

robust sierra
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cause this is my best roll

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spare sail
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ew

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run n gun

robust sierra
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I know

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I meant for stats

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the blessing and perk is shit

spare sail
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that perk ruined my best voidstrike

fresh reef
bright mica
winter siren
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run n gun is alright on the purg

bright mica
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Great toughness generator

robust sierra
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thank you

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I'll just keep upgrading stuff, I think that's my plan

bright mica
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Plus it pairs well with that uhh

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higher crit chance on high peril Blessing

dense zinc
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Anyone got a nice smite build?

spare sail
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warp nexus is what youre thinking of

bright mica
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yuppers

harsh urchin
spare sail
harsh urchin
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It has 10% more close range dmg that's unlisted i believe

spare sail
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if you do run purg staff just always make sure to grab wildfire

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get a nice blast of purg then cc the horde and watch em burn

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i use double wall with it since you are lacking range and it adds some safety

winter siren
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i cant decide which i like better, the dome is amazing vs flamers and bombers

bright mica
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I am addicted to creeping flames shriek

winter siren
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the dome makes crossing awkward open places easy

bright mica
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It's like having an Ogrynheimer every few seconds

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absolutely decimates hordes on Auric

spare sail
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very true

smoky turtle
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dome has salvaged quite a lot of truly fucked situations in my experience
it's not outright better, and an "ideal" squad will get less use from it
but man when you need a bubble and have one, nothing beats it

spare sail
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i still dont know if i like empowered or warp better with smite and force push

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since warp gives a shit ton of time off

brazen warren
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bubble absolutely shitting on shooter squads standing mid mixed horde plinking the squad is the best feeling

bright mica
spare sail
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i mean'

bright mica
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btw does surge still get buffed from smite talents or nah

spare sail
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i think

bright mica
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wait fr?

fresh reef
spare sail
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dont know if its patched

fresh reef
smoky turtle
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honestly sometimes I'm tempted to run shriek just to save myself the crippling embarrassment from going on autopilot and making my brain explode

bright mica
fresh reef
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125% damage buff from EP

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it's gross

bright mica
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I skipped those talents thinking they'd patch it by now

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LETS GOOOOOOOOO

robust sierra
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I'm gonna go to brunt's and see if I can get blazing spirit

bright mica
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I gtg sleep now cause its almost 3am but I can't wait to Maelstrum tmrw

robust sierra
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take care

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thanks for the help

normal matrix
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i just realized flames deplete your toughness because it's a tabletop reference

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or i guess specifically because they autohit on tabletop if theyre in range

bright mica
smoky turtle
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they made flames that annoying because of tabletop?
man that's frustrating to think about

fresh reef
bright mica
normal matrix
fresh reef
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then yeah, good build

normal matrix
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toughness and wounds are also tabletop mechanics, same with coherency

smoky turtle
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fun little tie in
annoying mechanic
I mean on the one hand I respect the reference but man
fire SUCKS
and I'm not happy that's why

normal matrix
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to be fair fire is kind of overpowered

fresh reef
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only weakness it really has is snipers if they're more than 30 meters away and even the tiniest bit obstructed

bright mica
normal matrix
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as a whole

bright mica
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😭

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It works

harsh urchin
smoky turtle
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I guess it's better than doing something goofy like bypassing toughness entirely though
THAT would really make me lose my mind about fire lmao

strong gulch
fresh reef
strong gulch
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This is my surge creeping flames build.

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brazen warren
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vent has an insane hitbox, it just gets diminishing returns at the max distance so you cant tell how far it goes without creeping

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and creeping doesnt care about stagger, just dot aplication

bright mica
harsh urchin
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I take a bunch of QoL and toughness DR

smoky turtle
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based QoL enjoyer

strong gulch
normal matrix
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this is my current build

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INFINITY SHIELDS

bright mica
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ughhh can I possibly get rid of this

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harsh urchin
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No lol

strong gulch
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I wouldn't

harsh urchin
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Thats 10-20% dmg for 1 point

bright mica
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I could get rid of Perilous Combustion......

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hnrghhh

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but I'm running Surge I would be triggering Wildfire sm with it

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wahhh

strong gulch
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no 😭

perilous combustion is so good.

bright mica
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does this get proc'd by soulfire btw

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fresh reef
normal matrix
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probably

strong gulch
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Yes it's warp

bright mica
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sorry mettle and perfect timing

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I just can't

strong gulch
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you do you

fresh reef
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They're both kinda eh on a surge build

normal matrix
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aye, you see my build above it's all over the place lmao

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do what's fun™️

bright mica
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and I love this passive way too much, it's so clutch on Auric

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bleak tulip
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its bad

strong gulch
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Surge crits often. It's one of THE times to grab mettle and perfect timing. Especially if you aren't taking EP surge. Bump up the damage.

smoky turtle
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ngl Unlucky should replenish 100% toughness or something

normal matrix
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oh no right im not using warp charges i am using EP lmao

smoky turtle
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or grant bonus toughness
or somethin'

bleak tulip
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building around failure isnt usually the best idea, even if you dont have direct influence over the failure

normal matrix
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i really wish i had mind in motion with my build ;-;

spice veldt
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it's fine to build around failure if it's a 1-point cost, but the benefit is very marginal

smoky turtle
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depends on the extent of it
you could argue taking shield at all is building around failure
but it's also real good

bleak tulip
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also there is already so many builds that give you full toughness by pressing a button like vet shout and zealot thingy

fresh reef
normal matrix
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if anything i like to think of my shield build as "failure prevention"

bleak tulip
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shield is different

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thats damage mitigation

smoky turtle
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I feel like the main issue is just that the toughness gain is not a lot and Psyker's toughness pool is uh
bad
which combines to make the supposed clutch talent kind of just worthless

normal matrix
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plus throwing a shield down and using superfast BB goes ham and cheddar

spice veldt
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psyker's toughness pool is fine if you take the toughness nodes

bleak tulip
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but requiring someone to go down for a pretty minor toughness boost is pretty poor

spice veldt
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just that the rest of our toughness regen will outpace unlucky for some

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and will be generally applying instead of +50% for a specific trigger

smoky turtle
bleak tulip
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I mean I do, make it really strong like you said 100% and not just coherency or some wacky shit

harsh urchin
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The toughness pool is fine

teal needle
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Taking the shield is planning around brain dead comfort more than planning around failure

normal matrix
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there we go, this is the actual build im using rn, VERY good at being anti-shooter

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bright mica
harsh urchin
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People just dont pay attention to the small nodes

bleak tulip
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so that was my take

harsh urchin
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And dont end up taking any toughness DR

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And get oneshot by everything lol

fresh reef
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just gonna toss my build in here because why not

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smoky turtle
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just don't get hit 4hed

bright mica
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from my experience it prevents snowballing

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as in a cascade of disasters

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If everyone is fucked for one reason or another, one person goes down and Unlucky can actually pull you through

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I'd take that over a 15% damage bonus that doesn't change my hits to kill

bleak tulip
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idk that sounds like more of a feels based thing if you ask me but you do you

bright mica
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based on my personal experience running it on Auric

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anyway gn

smoky turtle
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nite

bleak tulip
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and on my personal experience in auric you dont need any toughness perk other than soulstealer so shrug_yui

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nighto

bright mica
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It definitely comes in clutch for me, you can practically face tank Gunners while quelling

unique mist
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whats the best devils claw model

bright mica
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okay fuck this im turning my notifs off or I'll never sleep

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😭

steel flame
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Remember the dark ages when we could only have one source of toughness Regen?

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Dark days indeed

smoky turtle
bleak tulip
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and warp kill was stil the best way

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fight me

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quietude was always the lamo way

steel flame
mortal marsh
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Coming back to Psyker after leveling the other classes, any of the changes from Patch 14 affected anything in a major way?

unique mist
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yeah

mortal marsh
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Is Tango Brain Blast actually worth using?

unique mist
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wdym

mortal marsh
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Brain Rupture

smoky turtle
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Mango Brain Blast Mango

mortal marsh
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It got the big buff

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Seemingly anyway

unique mist
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not really worth using

wanton sandal
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should i keep shred or replace with lvl 4 precog?

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steel flame
wanton sandal
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never ran dueling sword so idk if i should go for crit or even more crit

unique mist
wanton sandal
unique mist
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uncanny

steel flame
bleak tulip
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I mean you do kinda want uncanny

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one way or another

steel flame
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Swap shred with uncanny

unique mist
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i sure do love a 36% (actually 100%) power boost that can only activate on the push attack, because i do so many push attacks

smoky turtle
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It feels weird that brain burst needs to charge at all
it might have made sense originally but now that assail exists and you can just chuck little crystals nonstop.. or have anyone in your squad using their braincells to shoot whatever you were going to burst...
Idunno, it just feels a bit redundant and obsolete

steel flame
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Rn rampage is fantastic on dueling swords

bleak tulip
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I mean push attack is pretty good

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the problem isnt push attack, its hode clearing with melee smug

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when you can just use literally any of your other things

steel flame
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Lights can now trigger rampage with the cleave buff to dueling swords

wanton sandal
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im running trauma, so not really worried about horde clear

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so i'll prolly just replace rampage

restive slate
steel flame
unique mist
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what's the best devil's claw mark

steel flame
wanton sandal
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personally i run mk4

bleak tulip
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the best devils claw is illisi

old citrus
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is Bloodthirsty a myth? kittyscrem

smoky turtle
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no I am bloodthirsty it's real

restive slate
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Bloodthirster is a Greater Daemon

steel flame
old citrus
steel flame
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Bloodthirsty is the rare blessing on force swords

old citrus
steel flame
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Good luck

brazen warren
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thats 100% crit after special kill yeah

old citrus
brazen warren
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I got that on illisi after a shit load of rolls

wheat quartz
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Illisi special spamming - Slaughterer/Bloodthirsty or Slaughter/Uncanny?

brazen warren
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not looking for it but still

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tested it with the soulblaze on crit blessing, and it is wonky with the soulblaze application

old citrus
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wonky good?

brazen warren
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sometimes, the crit will affect multiple targets with soulblaze in a single swing, others it only applies to the first in the chain

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it should be the former but it is inconsistent

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I think it would be better if you took the non soulblaze blessings* instead to increase your raw swing damage to get even more cleave out of it

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spam special heavy attack over and over

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so unstable or slaughter

steel flame
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shred tends to be better with soulblaze than bloodthirst

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why are you like this melk

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why cant you be like this more

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like i dunno

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when i actually needed those blessings

undone oriole
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which u guys think should i try consecrating

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fallen apex
surreal mural
fallen apex
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What should I put on it?
I was thinking of leaving the weak spot dmg and replacing efficiency for flak or maniac but not sure which.

and what about uncanny strike? is there a more ideal blessing to go for?

acoustic path
acoustic path
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You can get a fall back in case Hadron decides she isn't happy that day

wanton sandal
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y'all ever have the zealot walk directly into the daemonhost

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😩

wanton sandal
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but that's me liking to quell quickly

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im certain meta disagrees

kind jay
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real answer: hadron will brick both

undone oriole
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so true

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i went for the left and got nexus 4 and flurry 3, which is pretty top tier for surge innit

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doodoo perks but with the blessings good wh ocare

fallow falcon
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What do you think the play here is?

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Headhunter and upgrade deadly accurate?

wanton sandal
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sometimes item descriptions are a treat

ornate hamlet
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this is solid right?

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ive been really selfish and built into a revolver scrier build assail build

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but i jsut started playing again yesterday

vapid lichen
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69/80 roll on damage looks depressing

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also does anyone know how tf this works
what does it mean by private game, i just queue in a full 4-stack premade?

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hollow stirrup
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you press E when you have the mission select up

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private game option

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you need at least one other person for it

sage glacier
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I literally can not get the knock 7 enemies off a ledge penance for the life of me

vapid lichen
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are monstrosities the uhhh

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extremely large men

hollow stirrup
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the ones with health bars

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plague ogryns, chaos spawns, beasts of nurgle

vapid lichen
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wtf
so i have to sit there and grind down 90% of its hp with brain blast...?

hollow stirrup
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the L O R G E bois

terse saffron
hollow stirrup
vapid lichen
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what the fuck LMAO

hollow stirrup
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it's dumb lol

sage glacier
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Yeah its one of the stupidest penances

vapid lichen
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i guess you do that on the easiest difficulty or something then lmaoo

sage glacier
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Idk how they expect to do it legit

hollow stirrup
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you can't do it below level 4

terse saffron
vapid lichen
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oh

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right

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what the actual fuck

sage glacier
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I just got some friends on with me and told them to kill everything else while i BB the monstrosity

terse saffron
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just ask your squad to not damage bon/poggy

hollow stirrup
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though I don't get why private game penances are even a thing

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at all

terse saffron
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you can kite them around indefinitely

sage glacier
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I almost have all redacted penances for every class

harsh urchin
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ye this is why they redacted them

harsh urchin
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so some people were throwing games trying to do them

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so on a later update, they added the set of challenges you see today; which is stuff like "use skill x times" or "kill y enemies with z skill"

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and set all these ones to private only

spice veldt
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though cosmetics are still attached to them to this day

dapper flax
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melk decided to not only have hot shit today , what would y'all reccomend swappin' around ?? never could get into the dueling sword but i wanna give it another shot

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prob could have been rolled a bit better modifier wise but i won't complain for something from melk

harsh urchin
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and see if you want to change anything later

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all the lines are relatively relevant

dapper flax
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yeah i'll try running it then , doesn't seem too bad i just don't know much about what's good on one of 'em

primal plume
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boosted smite on its own just isnt good. the cost is the primary issue. it takes 50% peril to kill a group of poxwalkers. anything beyond that is just unfeasable unless you get really lucky with battle quell

harsh urchin
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yar smite overall is pretty meh

primal plume
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instead of faster spreading it should generate less peril or something

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because i cant think of a single situation where ive ever left clicked when using smite

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meaning the extra spread rate just feels like a waste

harsh urchin
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this is how smite gets used for me

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aka. it doesn't

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LOL

unique mist
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i'm finding smite incredibly useful in auric damn

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this is what i run

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brazen warren
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got a decent base statroll

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time for hadron to brick it clown_hadron

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ehhh, maybe?

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swap out haymaker for critical bleed stacks

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elites for crit chance

gusty furnace
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empowered psionics makes the electro staff into something fun to use

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too bad mine has 16% quell speed whatthefuck_heresy

gray island
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Thoughts?

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spare light
restive slate
worthy dune
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Why cant I roll this on my zealot crying

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harsh urchin
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it's ok it sucks anyways lol

vapid lichen
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do u guys use a stamina curio

brazen warren
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ok, crit knife SG is pretty fun

blissful glade
brazen warren
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wish i could attack faster though lol

fresh reef
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mental sickness

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feral knoll
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What does the Surge staff have over Voidstrike. Considering both sort of have a single target move (I know voidstrike has a radius. But it generally isn’t too big as far as I see?)

smoky turtle
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Surge charges stupid fast for high bursts of damage
And it more easily will CC stuff like charging mutants
...I think that's about it

shy fiber
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Death to elites

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Voidstrike has range + Monstrosity damage

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Tho it requires aiming

smoky turtle
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tbh the charge rate on Void being what it is even when maxed has made me go back to surge as an emergency weapon, since it hits full power nearly immediately and stunlocks what it hits
Melee + assail has a disturbing amount of coverage to delete hordes and specials

shy fiber
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True

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But if your team doesn’t have monstrosity damage ur SOL unless you bring a good melee

smoky turtle
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Yeah..

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Dealing with a chaos spawn is kind of miserable as that kind of Psyker

shy fiber
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Trauma staff my beloved pogryn

smoky turtle
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Trauma feels weird to me
It's neat though

shy fiber
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I’m used to it

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It’s really fun killing things that are below a ledge without having to look at it directly

tame venture
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Ledges above you though

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😔

shy fiber
near wyvern
silk hawk
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Not using trauma just bcuz u are forced to look upwards most of the time... Not a fan of that mechanic...

near wyvern
silk hawk
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Not the best one either xD

idle bay
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In all my recent games for past 3 weeks i've seen Trauma user only ONCE!

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And he barely killed anyone with it.

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Things where dead long before he cou;d charge the circle....

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It's even more sad than peopl shooting heads highlighted with blue for BB.

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And he was BB/TRauma user....

fading patrol
idle bay
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Aslo. Shovel special still can easily stun-lock mini-bosses

unique mist
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so i was looking to switch from illisi to devils claw for a horde clear melee

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but then i investigated the 3 different types

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and didnt like their moveset

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turns out illisi is all i wanted in a horde clear melee

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i got uncanny strike and slaughterer on a good roll

idle bay
unique mist
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yeah same

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tbh i dont even need to charge it except for maybe the first swing

idle bay
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Charging it is OVERKILL for a horde

unique mist
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yeah i can chop heads just with slaughterer and uncanny

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uncanny is really nice on it for the fodder enemies that have flak head armor

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i think it lets you oneshot them with high uncanny and/or slaughterer stacks

grim zodiac
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im lvl22 rn should i bother getting this or no

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chrome linden
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Okay. Starting a psycher for the first time, what staff should I be looking at for this patch?

idle bay
unique mist
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do not use your melk coins until at least level 30

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on top of that

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melk coins are usually only to be used for getting blessings (tier 4) you don't already have

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or in the rare case he has a great roll

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which is rare indeed

chrome linden
idle bay
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Answer remains the same. It's the first thing you need to learn to keep an eye on as psyker.

still hearth
idle bay
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Build-wise - try Everything to see what tickles your fancy 🙂

chrome linden
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I know about peril. I'm taking about what staff you turn

still hearth
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Surge is the only one with a significant bug though

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Empowered Psionics giving it +125% damage

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So you can enjoy that rn

idle bay
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It's still good even without bug . You can get build that stacks damage bonuses like crazy for Surge staff.

idle bay
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But you can carry a team of complete morons with it on Damnation

still hearth
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So can you on Trauma and maybe Voidstrike though that's tougher

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Purgatus my beloved owoMiunaCry

idle bay
#

Trauma - is a way to traumatize yourself for life.... rn.

still hearth
#

It's very strong just annoying to use

idle bay
#

It's way too slow. With dimwited quarter-decent team things die way too fast for Trauma to be charged in time to kill anything. It's very depressing to use rn

wet belfry
#

How many people actually play normal damn rn?

idle bay
orchid shadow
idle bay
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Though spawn director sometimes goes nuts or having an aneurism...

idle bay
mighty fractal
#

Is there a block efficiency/stamina breakpoint that allows the force swords to block Crusher overheads without getting guard broken?

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out of curiosity

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With Kinetic Deflection and Deflector, of course

orchid shadow
idle bay
#

And my favorite steath-squad of Ragers/Maulers spawned right behind party or if room is big - all around party 🙂 You don't hear anything and then 1-shotted by mauler

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no audio-cue - nothing.

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Unless you have a habbit of looking around each and every moment...

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Because you know that Spawn Dirictor is a tiniest Bitch in the world.

plucky flax
idle bay
plucky flax
#

Maybe they had really low charge rate.

idle bay
#

It's possible

spice veldt
#

I love killing things before a surge or BB kills them

plucky flax
#

Played maelstrom yesterday. 4 psykers 4 different staves and my trauma did the most by far.

idle bay
still hearth
#

Because Parry is a special case

idle bay
#

Trauma can play amazingly well into Smite/Surge stunned packs of elites

plucky flax
#

Trauma bad pls bufffff nooooo

idle bay
#

Make it faster!

plucky flax
idle bay
#

Make it auto-snap to target

plucky flax
#

Trauma buff is also a buff to me.

mighty fractal
#

Yeah bringing Trauma to a melee maelstrom is incredibly satisfying

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tossing around crusher packs and rending them

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and getting fat aoe kills

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(until one slips through and overheads you through block)

still hearth
#

Why are you blocking smh

mighty fractal
#

just another argument for dueling sword I suppose

still hearth
mighty fractal
#

dodge count depleted ;_;

still hearth
#

Sounds like a skill issue

mighty fractal
#

it's a rare situation

still hearth
mighty fractal
#

but i got careless and got smacked last night

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so now I'm curious if it's even possible to block them

wet belfry
#

With enough stamina yes

mighty fractal
#

it's nice to have the option as a layer of defense to fall back on

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like how you rarely ever actually block things in vermintide or in this game

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but you buffer block while dodging and kiting anyway juuuust in case

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random goobers spawning behind you and smacking you is always a possibility

restive slate
#

Isnt duelling sword special poke perfect for staggering Crushers?

spice veldt
#

stab them in THE FACE

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stab stab stab

restive slate
#

Stab their face in the face!

spice veldt
#

mauler/crusher overheads and some boss attacks ignore your block, guardbreaking and dealing full damage if you attempt to block them

paper harbor
restive slate
spice veldt
#

damn

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i'm not enlightened enough to have the dclaw in my head

left crater
#

how do i upgrade this?

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compact bluff
#

you can parry unblockable attacks, if you do it in the perfect parry window you get the riposte, if not you get guardbroken but no damage
worth noting that kinetic deflection with guardbreak attacks is very wonky in that you can parry outside of the perfect parry window with a massive peril cost, and block unblockable attacks without being guardbroken but still take full damage

left crater
#

im thinking either uncanny strike, or precognition. not sure which

compact bluff
#

uncanny is significantly better than precog

left crater
#

aight done

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hope this works good

harsh urchin
#

it just does enough damage to deplete your stamina and guardbreak you

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i think certain attacks do 2x or 3x damage to your block

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overheads, plogryn stomp, assassination boss charged swing

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and if you get guardbroken i think you take the dmg?

spice veldt
#

they straight up ignore your block as if it were never there

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even with KD

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they don't put you in a guardbreak animation with KD

cyan notch
#

those are all the block bypass moves lol

spice veldt
#

but they will still drain all of your stamina

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and inflict full damage to you

harsh urchin
#

cuz afaik you can block an overhead with enough stamina

spice veldt
#

nay

cyan notch
#

nope

harsh urchin
#

i've blocked overhead with shield before

spice veldt
#

ogryn shield?

harsh urchin
#

yeah

spice veldt
#

ogryn's shield can block block bypass attacks yeah

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i forget if that's with their special or normal block

smoky fractal
#

so beautiful T_T

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cyan notch
#

grats

zenith zealot
#

does warp resistance effect peril gained from kinetic deflection?

cyan notch
#

no

zenith zealot
#

so using force sword doesnt make kinetic deflection better

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unless ofc, u give it deflector

cyan notch
#

yes

zenith zealot
#

ok

cyan notch
#

fs pretty bad for melee blocking

harsh urchin
#

yar

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you also cant see shit

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unless you mod it

zenith zealot
#

lack of stam?

torpid shadow
#

how do I save this

cyan notch
harsh urchin
zenith zealot
#

even with deflector its also bad?

torpid shadow
#

I can only change one

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I put surge IV on

mighty fractal
#

With Deflector, it's neat for sliding from cover to cover to block stray bullets

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during gunfights

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but yeah high block cost + 3 stam baseline

cyan notch
harsh urchin
#

for crit vs non-crit

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in the weapon inspect

zenith zealot
harsh urchin
#

and see how much more damage a crit adds

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and most likely you keep crit damage and delete groaner/pox

spice veldt
#

it's a combination of force sword's block cost and base stamina that makes it one of the worst block weapons

cyan notch
#

u can but dont expect to tank 2 ragers combos

spice veldt
#

despite having 1 block cost, it also only has +2 stamina, which is quite bad

#

the rest of the 1 block cost weapons usually have like +4 stamina or more

torpid shadow
harsh urchin
#

wow the crit multiplier is actually not bad

spice veldt
#

and weapons like the TAxes/Duelling Swords/Combat Blade have +1 stamina but a block cost of 0.5

harsh urchin
#

yeah keep crit and roll the groaner/pox

torpid shadow
#

what should I replace the groaners w? crit chance?

harsh urchin
#

yar

spice veldt
#

on the other hand, force swords have essentially the best pushes per stamina bar

harsh urchin
#

psykanarium

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and test it out a bit

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if you hit any major breakpoints with the +25% damage

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say for example letting you oneshot flamer or something

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you can consider that instead of crit

torpid shadow
#

ok swag

spice veldt
#

so funnily enough, despite having the Deflector blessing, force swords don't really have the best stats for blocking, though the block cost reduction that Deflector gives is now pretty significant against ranged attacks

harsh urchin
#

why block when u can kill

spice veldt
#

true

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toughness tanking ftw

harsh urchin
#

the first hit you take

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never goes to health

spice veldt
#

the one time that blocking would be offensively useful is against a bulwark's swing since blocking guarantees a certain recovery animation that lasts for a specific time

bleak tulip
#

I never got the mentality some people have where they stack the shit out of health because "toughness gets stripped so easily"

spice veldt
#

e.g., block with mk6 psword and use that guaranteed time to do a combo

harsh urchin
#

to be fair having mixture of health and toughness is good lol

#

lets you hit breakpoints against snipers and poxbursters

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where if u do 3x toughness curio you just explode to a double poxburster

spice veldt
#

there are people who run on straight up 90 toughness but I'm always sus of how aggressively play against ranged patrols

compact cargo
spice veldt
#

they'll live, but I'm not particularly interested in stretching games by 1 or 2 minutes if I can help it even if it comes at the cost of being absolutely annihilated by poxbursters and snipers

harsh urchin
#

+3 stam curio is really good

#

if you're using illisi

compact cargo
harsh urchin
#

it doubles your effective stamina

compact cargo
#

Illsi exception

spice veldt
#

right-side tree gang taking kinetic deflection

harsh urchin
#

though the other weapons dont need it

#

i'm starting to have multiple curio setups now

unique mist
harsh urchin
#

for my builds T_T

#

i have a 3x toughness regen setup for my loner zealot setup

restive slate
#

My fave psyker build now is gun scryer haha

harsh urchin
#

and 3x CDR setup for my bible spam zealot

plucky flax
#

Mfw I'm the one abusing ep surge bug but the zealot went for the other dude. staregryn

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unique mist
#

i'm probably never switching from 1 wounds/1 health

compact cargo
#

I just run 2 hp, 1 toughness for melee gunpsyker mix

spice veldt
unique mist
#

i dont understand people who dont run wounds (in general)

#

like if you're Literally Them™️ go for it

harsh urchin
#

cuz i'm a god gamer

plucky flax
compact cargo
#

Why would you run wounds

#

If you don't go down

spice veldt
#

even among pub players, I rarely see them die more than once between medicaes

compact cargo
harsh urchin
#

arco runs no wounds cuz he likes to spectate me and josho play

spice veldt
#

on certain maps with long stretches between medicaes, it's a risk

unique mist
#

but the people i encounter who dont run wounds usually die early

spice veldt
#

but those maps aren't that frequent

compact cargo
#

That's idiots trying to copy our builds without the mechanical skill of suffering the december period

#

December gameplay hits harder than beta shotgunners

harsh urchin
glossy ember
harsh urchin
#

and then there are the ppl who come in

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and are like

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"HOW DARE U RECOMMEND WOUNDS"

spice veldt
#

me only being a psyker main around january 😎

harsh urchin
#

"you don't need wounds if ur not a scrub etc etc"

unique mist
harsh urchin
#

i personally never run wounds

spice veldt
#

yeah i do think that some of the longer-playing players can be pretty detached from the new player experience (including me)

compact cargo
glossy ember
#

i had 250h before trying psyker, and wound helped very much at the start until i learnt the ropes

harsh urchin
#

but i think having wounds helps a ton

unique mist
#

like if someone is asking about what curios to run they obviously dont have the skills or experience to run without at least 1 wounds

harsh urchin
#

lmao

spice veldt
#

good idea to take wounds on the class where the consequence of failure is fucking dying

compact cargo
#

Hey heal
Runs off
Hey dh
Steps on him
Hey ammo boss
Ignore
Hey vet needs ammo
Inhales ammo

glossy ember
spice veldt
#

the amount of players who run into daemonhosts scare me

harsh urchin
spice veldt
#

more than the daemonhosts themselves

harsh urchin
#

is where they decide to put safeguards

glossy ember
harsh urchin
#

against exploding

compact cargo
#

dueling sword time to shine

harsh urchin
#

like for example

#

they put safeguards on smite

glossy ember
#

use wound to start learning then later switch when comfy

harsh urchin
#

plasma gun

clear heath
#

wounds are fine for new players.
I just think they're overhyped by some people who have never taken it off

spice veldt
#

i suppose they saw that a lot of playtesters were blowing up when they were using smite

compact cargo
unique mist
#

for a new or mid experienced player, getting absolutely fucked accidentally and going down, losing 50% of your HP is devastating and will just lead to them dying outright

spice veldt
#

and to be fair it generates a lot of peril over time

compact cargo
#

Literal toddler barriers so psyker doesn't roll off the bed and explodes

harsh urchin
#

but why didn't they put safeguards on assail

spice veldt
#

i think it's fine for a new player experience sort of thing

#

at least with assail, you have to make deliberate key presses

#

so unless your muscle twitches, it's more of an intentional fault than anything to blow up with assail

unique mist
#

yeah smite you gotta fully commit

#

i've never seen someone tap fire a smite

#

you can't just do a tactical smite

spice veldt
#

and I do think that there is a mild safeguard with assail where a queued attack won't occur if you're at 100% peril

unique mist
#

you go 0-100 on that shit

pale pilot
#

you can tapfire smite. the stagger is pretty good if you need it

clear heath
#

I think they just don't want you to be able to blow up from holding a button too long

harsh urchin
restive slate
#

I do appreciate that Smite has a failsafe feature like Plasma

harsh urchin
#

i guess to prevent vets from exploding

#

lmao

unique mist
#

plus if you're at like 80% peril, you can throw a couple assail shards before hitting 100 to great effect...but 20% peril's worth of smite does basically nothing

spice veldt
#

i suppose that with plasma you do have to dedicate some attention to aiming

compact cargo
pale pilot
#

smite's autofent is kinda needed because it does just shoot up your perils percent really fast

compact cargo
#

Tap, knock their butt, attack

glossy ember
compact cargo
clear heath
#

I think they just wanna prevent those situations where you lag and your input isn't read on key release and smite fucking kills you

compact cargo
#

that's a game shit issue

spice veldt
compact cargo
#

as usual

pale pilot
#

when the difference between 80% and 100% is a fraction of a second i'm glad to have the autovent

spice veldt
#

i suppose the autovent part is really the only weird part and it'd be fine if it just ended without blowing you up at 100% peril

compact cargo
#

I ain't, it's starting to dumb down the game for muh gamepass playurd

spice veldt
#

so i suppose there is a potentially negative consequence of being stuck in an unwanted quelling animation if you reach 100% (not that it lasts very long and enemies are stunned anyways)

pale pilot
#

i think the autovent is the kludge to force it to stop at 100%

clear heath
#

being stuck in autovent is pretty forgiving considering what we'd expect instead is literally just dying

spice veldt
pale pilot
#

and also a big focus breaker for someone who is tunnelvisioning

harsh urchin
#

also arco

pale pilot
#

so that they realize what's happening

harsh urchin
#

run n gun has 10% dmg now

spice veldt
#

HMMMM

clear heath
#

what

harsh urchin
#

it was in patch 13 notes

clear heath
#

run n gun does something?

spice veldt
#

o shit

harsh urchin
#

but nobody noticed

#

LOL

#

it was in the blessing changes, right under rampage power change

clear heath
#

oh it's close range damage

spice veldt
bleak tulip
spice veldt
#

why don't the infantry autoguns have run n gun :(

pale pilot
#

does it give those benefits at all times or only while sprinting?

harsh urchin
#

time to test out my purg

clear heath
#

so, does that damage bonus only affect hipfire?

#

or all the time?

harsh urchin
#

no it should just be 10% close dmg all the time

#

but needs testing

pale pilot
#

yes testing would be good because i could maybe see slapping that on something for the improved spread

clear heath
#

what does the in-game description say?

harsh urchin
#

nothing

clear heath
#

or did they not update it?

#

lmao

harsh urchin
#

they forgot to update it

#

LOL

clear heath
#

fatshark moment

compact cargo
#

Ingame description is so hard to fix

pale pilot
#

-30% spread on a kickback

#

that sounds

#

interesting

harsh urchin
#

ya

#

10% close range dmg is also no joke

#

it's multiplicative

#

with most other sources

#

cuz there's not that many sources of it in the first place

quasi junco
#

Oh so Surge push at the end is directional. I turned around as I was about to be attacked and I pushed the dudes from the rear. Not those I was shocking in front. Good to know.

still hearth
still hearth
pale pilot
solar sand
still hearth
#

Kickback has an 80% min pellet hit

#

So even if only one pellet hits

#

80%damage dealt

pale pilot
#

i figured being able to tighten the cone would help it pop a long range sniper or somethi-

#

oh.

still hearth
#

So you actually want more spread

pale pilot
#

is that how pellet guns work?

still hearth
#

Only kickback has that high of a number afaik

pale pilot
#

are the shotguns also doing that?

bleak tulip
#

likely so shit doesnt feel anemic

steel flame
#

U right

spice veldt
#

depresshun

still hearth
#

Human shotguns definitely don't have that high of a min pellet count

pale pilot
#

damn

bleak tulip
#

I know rippy likely also has pretty high % there because you can snipe snipers with em

pale pilot
#

at least you'll always have dumdum, arco

steel flame
#

Maybe I need to test run and gun on laspistol now to see how it interacts with dumdum

#

OH WAIT THATS RIGHT

pale pilot
#

hmm?

steel flame
#

Laspistol doesn't get run n gun either for whatever reason

bleak tulip
#

good news though, every staff does embracepain

steel flame
#

Sigh

pale pilot
#

yeah it's a very small group of weapons that get it

#

staves, kickback, stub gun

bleak tulip
#

another great staff buff

still hearth
steel flame
#

What's the change to run and gun on staves

still hearth
#

10% close damage

steel flame
#

Cause the spread is only guns....

still hearth
pale pilot
#

yeah run and gun is +10% close damage and -30% spread apparently

steel flame
#

STAVES DONT HAVE SPREAD.....KEKW_ogryn

vestal fulcrum
#

The bonus to close damage seemingly doesn’t apply unless you’re sprinting

#

Which is just as useful as it sounds

steel flame
#

-_-

#

Well thats not useful

#

Oh boy. 10% more close range damage.....on my little fire puff if I hold shift

#

Yay?

bleak tulip
#

I mean its nice to have for the bolt

#

left click meta

steel flame
#

I guess?

bleak tulip
#

(dont actually take run and gun)

#

its not actually good

steel flame
#

L

bleak tulip
#

but hey if you wanna do the left click only staff challenge I guess its a contender

steel flame
#

If they actually let us fully use the staff while sprinting I would actually take it

#

And if mind in motion also let us sprint while quelling

#

Sigh

solar sand
#

this thing has been so great for speed 3s

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#

to farm 100 wins

edgy finch
#

did the voidstrike best blessings change from the nerfs?

mossy canopy
#

Does surge trigger on voidstrike charge? Trying to figure it out but it's really hard to tell if it's shooting twice

edgy finch
#

^yes it does

slate sun
#

honestly though ... they nerfed it too much

potent echo
#

Void blessings didn't get touched afaik

slate sun
#

they also introduced some bugs with hitting shooter elites

still hearth
#

Did they fix

#

The fact that

#

If you slide while running with Run 'n' Gun

#

You take forever to sprint again

#

When you stand up??

#

That was literally the only reason I couldn't run it on meme LMB spam staves

#

You stand up and old Psyker legs are like "ouf that's rough"

potent echo
#

You have to remain crouched for some time for the delay to go away

still hearth
#

What in the fu-

steel flame
still hearth
#

So you have to extend the slide or something?

potent echo
#

Yea hold down crouch more

still hearth
clear heath
#

wtf

still hearth
#

Alright well I'll try it for the memes

vestal fulcrum
#

HOLD CROUCH?

potent echo
#

Imagine using crouch toggle

vestal fulcrum
#

That sounds unreasonable

potent echo
#

9.3 Slide techs
QC slide
It is possible to use one staff LMB attack during a single sprint slide or a dodge slide by performing a quell cancelled attack while holding the crouch button. Do not let go of the crouch button before you have quell cancelled the attack as you will otherwise loose your momentum after the slide. This tech functions as a single cast Run 'n' Gun blessing.

#

Just press like 3 buttons at once what's so hard /s

vestal fulcrum
#

I could do finger roll on hagbane bow in Vermintide 2

#

But this is too much staregryn

mossy canopy
potent echo
#

I just do regular channel sprint slide it's usually good enough KEKW_ogryn

still hearth
#

Slide staff works now

#

Time to play Surge with Run 'n' Gun for the memes

potent echo
#

There is no third shot, crit is calculated the moment you cast the attack

#

Not when it hits the enemy

mossy canopy
#

Drat.

potent echo
#

But also I don't think I ever had a triple cast

#

But I only played like 4 or 5 void games KEKW_ogryn

mossy canopy
#

To be fair it'd have something like a 3-11% chance to happen per shot if you're running pure crit with an optimal staff so it'd be noticeable if that were the case

#

Unless I've forgotten too much from my stats class from highschool and screwed the math up

potent echo
#

If it were possible, I think there would be some YouTube face thumbnail video with an all caps title like 6 VOIDS IN A ROW or something similar

unique sand
#

should i buy this from melk

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#

never built a trauma staff before

potent echo
#

Blast radius smol

#

If you want warp nexus 3 for your trauma it's a decent buy I guess, if you are swimming in melkbucks

still hearth
#

Yeah I wouldn't grab that

dull root
#

Is there any specific Psyker build in patch 14 that stands head and shoulder above the rest or can I just keep running voidstrike with an Illisi as backup? 🙂

still hearth
#

Assail builds are still dumb

unique sand
#

nah i aint got that many melkbucks id buy a 3. a 4 definitely

still hearth
#

The Empowered Psionic bug on Surge makes it perform very well

#

Idk if I'd say it's standing above the rest though

#

It's just comparable to Trauma and Voidstrike if you use that

dull root
#

Voidstrike is fun, I like using that one. I'll just keep using that one I think. Thanks for the help though!

mossy canopy
#

Hoping when they patch the empowered psionics it's only so it consumes charges and not disables it outright

pale pilot
#

i'm starting to appreciate the trauma staff

#

i hated it but now i'm sorta groking that "my job with the trauma staff is not to kill, it is to be a constant engine of disruption for the enemies. killing is a bonus that happens an okay amount"

potent echo
#

It definitely kills though whatthefuck_heresy

pale pilot
#

it does

#

absolutely

#

but if a mauler or rager or bulwark or whatever isn't on the ground? i need to apply more trauma

#

can't overhead my teammates when you're on the ground

potent echo
#

Remember when people said surge was good because you could stun 5 maulers

spice veldt
#

i brought it into pre-patch 13 melee maelstrom and was immediately depressed when it only killed a single bruiser per charge

#

and just dealt a few hundred damage to the mauler when it was the second target

#

and then i never used it again

#

and just used the deimos the entire match

potent echo
#

I would argue that even purg had better cc than pre13 surge

unique sand
#

whats the dump stat on trauma

fading patrol
potent echo
unique sand
#

thanks

royal granite
#

surge was unique in being able to stun mutants

#

which was a bigger deal because it was harder to dodge those

glossy ember
#

rolled lv4 sniper res on two different 20% hp curios, unsure how to feel about this since that's a perk i don't really use on curios staregryn

still hearth
#

Well Snipers are now super slow

#

But until they make them reliable to dodge idk

royal granite
#

i have had snipers wipe so many teams

glossy ember
#

yeah i don't think i get hit by snipers often enough to make use of it

#

unless it's like

#

10 snipers

#

but then i'm fucked

royal granite
#

like i'll go down because i wasn't paying attention

#

i ping the sniper

still hearth
#

I mean I usually only get hit because it shoots me without a laser sight

royal granite
#

i scream in chat KILL THE SNIPER FIRST BEFORE REVIVING

glossy ember
#

well it's not like there's much better when it comes to substats

still hearth
#

Yeah that's the thing

royal granite
#

and soldier from tf2 playing vet just walks up to me and starts reviving while the laser slowly settles on his forehead

still hearth
cyan notch
still hearth
#

I can't go back to not playing Plasma on Vet now

#

It's too good to be able to snipe everything through anything

royal granite
#

revolver and plasma really are the winners of this update

#

like damn be careful who you make fun of in highschool

plucky flax
#

I did melee maelstrom on vet with antax and revolver. The players were impressed.

still hearth
#

So you took some of the best weapons for Melee Maelstrom and people were impressed??

plucky flax
#

Plasma would have been better probably.

glossy ember
#

i should try maelstrom now monkaHmm

still hearth
#

Revolver one-shotting Crushers Foxy_Sweat

plucky flax
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If I was playing psyker their minds would had been blown.

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Though Plasma is really good at the mid sized elites

plucky flax
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Trauma boom boom.

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So idk. It's probably even between them

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Revolver uses less shots to kill but has less cleave

plucky flax
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Revolver was too good for the specials spam.

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I think Plasma needs a buff tbh

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It should cleave carapace too

glossy bough
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🤔

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I've been eating good on plasma lately

plucky flax
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Well it was a 1 of each class team.the psyker decided to bring purgatus to melee maelstrom.

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He didn't have a good time.

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glossy bough
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But it's hard to switch off shield psyker, I like being supportive

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Purgatus Psykers in a nutshell

glossy bough
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Bubble pog

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I mean if you run Uncanny melee

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Purgatus can do some damage (a little bit)

glossy bough
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Purgatus seems rough right now

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It's sad since it was even buffed

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But I think the big issue is that they can't touch soulblaze

plucky flax
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Purgatus against 15 big bulky crushers and bulwarks walking down at ya. sweat_anime

obtuse walrus
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I like watching heads pop

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So they can't really do much to it

obtuse walrus
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They should give it cool blessings

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Like 100% rending

glossy bough
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I'm a surge staff truther still

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glossy bough
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Hmmmmm

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hmmmmm

sudden trellis
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do you have to wear a dress IRL when playing bubble psyker?

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What does that even mean

verbal lake
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in fact you should just wear a dress in general

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it's very freeing.

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Skirt go spinny

sudden trellis
verbal lake
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i was about to make a kilt joke

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and you ruined my fucking bit

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life is pain

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i hate

glossy bough
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I just like support builds ( ._.) I guess I'll put on the maid dress

sudden trellis
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this message was sponsored by the flamer staff gang

glossy bough
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Too effective to be brain burst

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You'd need three more

verbal lake
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corrupt psyker plasteel gang

fossil lagoon
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The bubbleshield is the most masculine ult available for psyker atm

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glossy bough
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Exactlyyyy

still hearth
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The other people are your bitches. They want your shields? They better beg.

glossy bough
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I decide who lives and dies

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The bubble is here, peasants

still hearth
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Veteran with the revive shout

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Staring down at the 3 dead team-mates

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"Save us!"

glossy bough
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Come hither to my warm embrace

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"No."

fossil lagoon
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The venting scream players should be wearing the dresses lol

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We should all wear dresses

sudden trellis
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Sure if you want to call it that honey

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Now put on your dress-kilt

sudden trellis
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this really perils my warp.