psyker-class

[orchid shadow]

BB is just for specific situations. Even with EP, If you're trying to use it too much, it's not worth the charge time. Target scanning and snap kills for sniper / bombers, initial long range engagement and chain killing patrols, and monstrosities (if your loadout has no other way to do significant damage to one).

[normal matrix]

Yeah i mostly use it to pop elites and ogryn

Since for some reason no one else is ever doing it

[plucky flax]

I run snipers resist on psyker.

[dark stag]

I guess I should accept that it's just for when things are out of surge range

(or just chonkier)

[normal matrix]

And also killing the gunners that have you pinned down by suppressive fire

[dark stag]

also that ye

Btw is it dumb to pop every single small gunner if they are too far?

[normal matrix]

Small gunners? Yes

Shooters and the like can just be dealt with

Gunners and other elites though? High prio, revoke their mind privileges

[orchid shadow]

Especially the gunners that your teammates can't nail. Peek and targeting only takes half a second.

[dark stag]

Alr

I want to say I should leave the small gunners for the vet but....

he ain't always there

[normal matrix]

Worst case you need run up and melee or staff them

Otherwise relegate them to your team who is probably already assrushing the 7 scab gunner killbox

[orchid shadow]

Don't forget that if you need to, LMB spam a gunner position to suppress them.

[karmic fractal]

First 380 base drop....

It's an Autogun

Game, I expected nothing and you still disappointed me

[normal matrix]

Oh right also a question of my own, does wildfire work with purg flame?

[strong gulch]

yee

[normal matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-14883606492298699285

[novel mauve]

Its worse when it's a melee veteran

You won't be seeing him shoot anything

Gun trigger has cobwebs on it

[karmic fractal]

with a certain mod you can, however, make some of the most attractive weapons in this game: https://i.imgur.com/BNQtVQM.png

[wet cloak]

Honestly vet is supposed to be an elite-killing specialist like psyker, but I rarely see them do it

[karmic fractal]

just play BB, make their heads blue.
Every player in your lobby will suddenly target the blue head!

[wet cloak]

That's true!

[strong gulch]

true

[karmic fractal]

also rate my drip on the deimos:
https://i.imgur.com/OByRwIX.png

[wet cloak]

The answer was right in front of me the whole time

Very drippy

[karmic fractal]

I love that hilt style:
"Just slap a few Purity seals on there and call it a day"

[stiff reef]

@plucky flax ❤️ Ty for the help

[plucky flax]

[strong gulch]

Y'all did it?!

You got the penance??

[plucky flax]

Yeah only took an hour.

[karmic fractal]

I still gotta do a shizzleton of Psyker Penances

[stiff reef]

Yeah it was so specific

[karmic fractal]

however, on the contrary, I do have the Krieg set

[stiff reef]

Sometimes I did too much damage with my Shriek, sometimes I was in the wrong spot, sometimes Horde decided to not spawn for 30 min

[wet cloak]

I can't even be bothered to the Malleus Monstronum, although it's the only one of the old penances I lack

do*

[karmic fractal]

He's just standing there... MENACINGLY:
https://i.imgur.com/VtjC84o.png

[gritty marsh]

which dueling sword is better the 5 or 4?

[normal matrix]

Whichever one you like more

[gritty marsh]

yea trying to figure out how to build this guy with all the new stuff thats been released

[normal matrix]

The 4 has consistent attack patterns, the heavies are strikedown and lights assassin

[gritty marsh]

oh and theres a mk 2 also

[normal matrix]

Mk2 isnt bad i found it enjoyable, has a triple light and the heavy is strikedown into broad slash

I dont know about the 5 sadly have yet to use it

[plucky flax]

Right now the 4 does more damage than the 5 with heavies.

For no real reason other than FS hate mk5.

[gritty marsh]

i see

between this and assail i just need something to take care of the heavy armored guys now

[karmic fractal]

surge+ep+smite?
While it's still around?

[quasi junco]

about to try damnation for the first time, should I pepper my angus?

[karmic fractal]

teamwörk makes the dream wörk

just bring some situational awareness, ping things you can't take care of and help teammates. pretty much same as in any other mode.

[gritty marsh]

the mk 6 surge staff is pretty cool

[karmic fractal]

pair it with the smite buffs and Empowered Psionics

and watch elites pop off in auric damnation

[gritty marsh]

oh the smite talents work with it?

[karmic fractal]

perhaps momentarily, aye.

[gritty marsh]

smite itself never seemed to do any damage (lockdown was cool tho)

[karmic fractal]

gotta charge it up and have other talents benefit it

but yeah, more of cc tool

[gritty marsh]

should i get the bonus 7.5 to 12.5% chance of EP, or free stack on elite kill

[karmic fractal]

12.5

you'll be hitting a metric ton of enemies

[gritty marsh]

makes sense

was disrupt destiny any good?

[stiff kelp]

Nope, it only counts marked enemies you kill

So if your team is on the ball, good luck

[gritty marsh]

makes sense

i think i have it now, just gotta decide on what melee

[stiff kelp]

If they changed it to any kill on a marked enemy then yeah I would love it

[gritty marsh]

i felt like the force swords never did that much damage (even with the special charge up)

[stiff kelp]

I've been taking an assassin axe, because I need something for big enemies. Hordes are no issue with void staff and smite lol

[normal matrix]

I like the dueling sword, just feels nice to use

[stiff kelp]

But I also have nfc what the meta or recommended stuff is

[gritty marsh]

oh you cant quell with a dueling sword?

[strong gulch]

no

[gritty marsh]

im learning today!

[strong gulch]

Peril passively goes down, but you can't quell on non-warp weapons

[stiff kelp]

Force swords are great and I love them, but on dam I find issues with killing heavy targets or bosses.

[sonic coral]

non warp weapons quell quicker than warp ones passively though

[strong gulch]

yip

[dark radish]

I feel like I can’t go back to Veteran again after tasting the power of Psyker Staff

[plucky flax]

The power of not having to rely on ammo

[normal matrix]

It is always a little jarring when i fumble my weapons trying to quell after my scriers ticks 100, but very fun

[karmic fractal]

special up your sword?

[gritty marsh]

mk2 duel sword reminds me of saltzpyre rapier

[gritty marsh]

i still felt it didnt do enough

[stiff kelp]

Even then, the damage doesn't feel great for how long a single hit takes to charge and whack

[normal matrix]

I love their voicelines as well

[karmic fractal]

uhh which force sword you using?

obscurus takes forever to finish anim

illisi is fast as fuck boi

[normal matrix]

Being a damn brain wizard is fun, but being a total nutter who is also a brain wizard is funny as

[stiff kelp]

Maybe the 5? Deimos? Not at my computer.

[shut ether]

ANy friendly siblings want to share with me their surge staff talents

[karmic fractal]

definitely give illisi a try

[stiff kelp]

Does the 4, the one that swipes fast with no blast on the charged hit, do the same damage as the others?

[shut ether]

got this

[stiff kelp]

I'll have to test them out, the different force swords. Assassin axe is just fun though lol

Whackwhackwhackwhack

[gritty marsh]

are those the meta blessings?

[karmic fractal]

Pretty much

[shut ether]

honestly idk what is meta anymore

[karmic fractal]

But hot damn that staff is indeed sexy

[wooden flare]

I feel fucking unstoppable

I just beat a mission without being hit by an elite in melee

As Melee Psyker

[stiff kelp]

So is warp nexus just a flat increase even at 0 warp? Because that's how it reads

[shut ether]

yerp

I think it used to start at 0

[karmic fractal]

However, I'm not honestly sure on warp flurry on surge

It already charges pretty fast already

-1x already 🤣

[wooden flare]

What is warp nexus and warp flurry

[gritty marsh]

what melee wep

[wooden flare]

The force sword that doesn’t do the single target attack when powered up

The Illisi

[stiff kelp]

It's charged attack is the fast swipe, right? That might be the one I had. Feels great for horde clear but felt like it struggled on bigger things

[karmic fractal]

#psyker-class message

[wooden flare]

That’s why I run Empowered Psionics and Bb

With the modifier that I have a 10% to BB on hit

also I can just push them over and wail on them

[karmic fractal]

Bb... eww

[stiff kelp]

Ah gotcha. I've been running Smite lately so I was struggling on more armored enemies, too used to BB just being a fix it solution for everything

[wooden flare]

I would use smite if the transition from smite to melee felt smoother and the effects lingered after

BB just allows me to deal with ranged targets and use my blitz while in melee combat

[stiff kelp]

Elites? BB
specials? BB
boss? You better believe BB
Random poxwalker? Fuck him, BB

[wooden flare]

I also used Empowrred Psionics because I’m gonna be honest

Warp Charges and Disrupt Destiny kept getting me killed

[stiff kelp]

And they're trash compared to EP

[wooden flare]

Trying to build them up while my team would kill elites with ease was really damn annoying

[karmic fractal]

I still gotta do the warp charge penance

[wooden flare]

Same

[karmic fractal]

Current record is 246s

Pain

[wooden flare]

But now I’m only 2 missions away from getting all the base class Psyker penances done

[gritty marsh]

how is it? i liked the light chain

[wooden flare]

Still can’t believe I didn’t get melee’d by an elite at all in that mission as MELEE PSYKER

[wooden flare]

I fucking love it

Amazing against hordes

And since I’m running Venting Shriek I just keep empowering it and going ham knowing I have a failsafe

Best part? It ain’t even a god roll

Just a random one O got

When I get one that gives power based on peril level

I’m gonna be a happy boi

Oh yeah I also run Purgatus staff for CC

[stiff kelp]

How do you empower shriek? Just use it with EP up? Haven't noticed a big difference

[wooden flare]

What do you mean empower shriek?

[gritty marsh]

is scrier's gaze any good?

[wooden flare]

It seems good

But very high risk high reward

[whole oxide]

high risk low reward

[wooden flare]

I personally like Shriek more because it’s such a safe tool

[obtuse moth]

They’re empowering the sword, they can just use shriek to vent if they go over

[stiff reef]

Any tips for Warp Battery Penance?

[wooden flare]

Get the modifier that gives you a Warp charge on chance when an ally kills an enemy

[stiff reef]

Ran that for a map just now

[wooden flare]

Anything that can kill elites fast and at range

[stiff reef]

Didnt get me the penance but I reckon I need a higher intensity map

[whole oxide]

play hi-intensity shock guantlet maps

[normal matrix]

I like it, use it in tandem with flame staff to cook hordes

[stiff reef]

Voidstrike Staff maybe?

[normal matrix]

Do make sure you dont explode though, easy to do with Scrier

[gritty marsh]

i think i like movespeed talents too much lol

[wooden flare]

Move speed is honestly a death sentence imo

One minute you’re rushing in then you realize your team is two rooms behind you

[normal matrix]

The only movespeed talent i like is mind in motion

[gritty marsh]

its a sacrifice i hope my team is willing to take 😄

[stiff reef]

Running a revolver for Warp Battery penance now

Lets get this penance

[obtuse moth]

Eh? You can use move speed to avoid getting hit by ranged attacks, to take cover or run away

[normal matrix]

Stamina

Just sprint instead 4head

[obtuse moth]

That’s like saying duelling sword or combat blade is bad because it lets you move faster, if you’re rushing it’s not the weapons fault

[gritty marsh]

what blessings you running on it

[normal matrix]

The dislike for movespeed is similar to bleed or magic builds in souls games, makes you annoying to deal with

[wet belfry]

The sad part is that rushing is in reality the “optimal way to play”.

[normal matrix]

Only if everyone is rushing

Otherwise it is a solitary suicide speedrun

[obtuse moth]

Not if you’re separating from your team by multiple rooms, there are also limits because anti rush mechanics

[wet belfry]

The anti rush mechanics expect elevators are really weak

[stiff kelp]

I fully support fatshark doubling down on anti rush mechanics tho

[stiff reef]

Same

[stiff kelp]

Like there are times you gotta move fast through an event, but that time is not the entire mission

[gritty marsh]

last question: whats good to focus on for curios?

[obtuse moth]

Haven’t rushed as much in DT as VT2, have they stopped with the throw infinite bosses at you strat?

[wooden flare]

None

It’s profane

[normal matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[gritty marsh]

lol

[obtuse moth]

I do remember rushing for the zealot penance and they basically mass up the entire map’s worth of shooters firing at you all at once if you don’t deal with them

[wooden flare]

I hate gunners in this game

[normal matrix]

And also the mutants/dogs for those too far ahead or behind

[wooden flare]

I’d be fine if they didn’t slow you and push you back

[stiff kelp]

Did that one with some random folk from this server, we fucking annihilated it, all 4 of us. Fun as hell

[glossy ember]

accidentally went into auric heresy with the illisis force sword. killed myself twice by push blocking at 100% peril

[idle bay]

It took quite a while before i managed to get this version 🙂

[obtuse moth]

The disabler spam isn’t really any worse than regular auric maelstrom

Probably a lot easier

[gentle portal]

Hello, fresh 30 psyker here, is there any consensus about which curios are best for psykers? Or is it dependent on spec, play style, etc?

[wooden flare]

You know one thing I hate about force swords the higher level you are?

They build up less and less peril

If I ain’t at 100% peril on four charges am I really melee Psyker?

[normal matrix]

. . .

Thats because their warp resist stat goes up

[stiff kelp]

I personally like to run a wound, toughness, and health one, all 3 with gunner resist at least. Because fuck gunners.

[wooden flare]

Yeah I know

[glossy ember]

i think i'll just stick to the catachan IV

[gentle portal]

Fair!

[obtuse moth]

lol, fwiw you can still push block without killing yourself @ 100%. Just don’t use the single target push follow through. The aoe push doesn’t consume peril. The single target one doesn’t either if it doesn’t hit a target I think if you’ve ever noticed it being inconsistent.

[wooden flare]

And usually the higher level you are the better % stats weapons start getting

[glossy ember]

ohhhhh

[normal matrix]

Yes

[blissful ore]

2 toughness 1 stamina

[novel mauve]

Illisi is very brain dead so understandable

If you really want it to just be an annoying murder machine put slaughterer on it

[normal matrix]

I like always having a spare wound, that and some stamina

[glossy ember]

yeah it's just ot handle crowds when i panic really

[gentle portal]

I main zealot, and just run 3 toughness curios, all with health/toughness/cool down reduction perks -- works well there, but psyker is very very different so

[glossy ember]

otherwise i zapp zapp zap

[quasi junco]

lol first damnation run was 4 psykers, we made it lol

3 surge 1 trauma

[stiff kelp]

I tend to run anti gunner resist on everyone since they're the main thing that hits me. I also just like having 3 wounds on dam

Instead of the base 2

[wooden flare]

I have 2 wounds and 215 health on Heresy

[gentle portal]

Yeah I tend to get shredded by gunners too, I guess that's just a normal psyker experience then?

[normal matrix]

I mostly get hit by dogs and mutants, i need to get resist for those now that i think about it

[wooden flare]

That’s the normal experience for every class

[novel mauve]

Illisi, light attack spam, enemies get close spam force push, spam light attacks again, repeat.
If you wanna get spicy throw in some heavies

[gentle portal]

Problem with resist for those is it's just resist the damage, you still get grabbed/disabled

[novel mauve]

That and the corruption damage from hounds will still be a problem

[normal matrix]

Yeah but aside from hordes of poxwalkers or shooters i dont take health damage really

[gentle portal]

It's not too bad on zealot tbh, you can be stun and stagger immune + you're immune to ranged while sliding

But yeah gunners are rough

[normal matrix]

Im rather good about letting everyone else take it for me

[gentle portal]

On psyker gunners definitely catch me out sometimes and shred me

[hollow jolt]

Ask them nicely to stop shooting

[stiff kelp]

Don't get got

[gentle portal]

Why didn't I think of that??

Takes notes

[stiff kelp]

Lol hey, it works until it doesnt

[chilly blaze]

headhunter or deadly accurate to replace crucian roulette?

[normal matrix]

My first main was old vet so i catch on and revoke their mind privileges way too quick for gunners to do me dirty

[hollow jolt]

You can always take them with you UwU

[gentle portal]

Ya know, psyker chat is noticeably less psycho than zealot chat

[normal matrix]

To the surprise of no one, we dont argue about hyperborea in here lmao

[hollow jolt]

I'd go headhunter as it has far better crit potential

[novel mauve]

Yeh just push when you hear them

[quasi junco]

That doesnt look like a scab mauler

[arctic roost]

Question, im looking at the psyker steam guide linked in the pinned and what is "mid-charged Quell Cancelled Trauma shots" i have a fire trauma but ive never heard of this tech b4

[stiff reef]

Warp Battery is sus

AInt no fucking way I didnt have it up for 300s that game

[glossy ember]

tahnks for the tip

alright

first auric damnation mission went much better than expected

bretty good

i did explode twice though

bit hard to manage peril when you got a million enemies on screen

[magic vessel]

i think i'm gonna nut

[glossy ember]

although, no idea how to contribute to boss damage in an optimal manner

with catachan mkiv sword

[ashen schooner]

With whatever staff you have

Or bb

[whole oxide]

best thing you can do as psyker when boss comes is to clear out all other enemies

unless you're using a gun

[glossy ember]

yeah i usually deal with elites

and then surge spam the boss

[glossy ember]

Is BB spam better than surge spam on boss?

[orchid shadow]

BB Spam on monstrosities.

[glossy ember]

wait, i already asked this didn't i, i have a case of alzheimer

[glossy ember]

I was told it wasn't great compared to almost everything else

[orchid shadow]

And just keep your head on a swivel for adds, then they become priority unless your next few casts will kill

[glossy ember]

sounds good to me

thanks

[orchid shadow]

It's not, but one of the things you're doing if you're in close is you're losing sight of the battle field and possibly getting in the way of bullets

But with BB, you can take off appreciable chunks off if you have EP charges and Shriek for a bit of fast cast.

[jaunty gust]

I have no idea what psyker meta is at this point but I'm happy as a clam dropping bubbles and stunning hordes with smite.

It's nice that a more supportive/defensive playstyle can feel viable with the new skill trees.

[dusk rose]

how good is the flame staff atm

[glossy ember]

Is it fine without EP?

Using warp charges.

[steel flame]

Meta is for the weak of mind

[orchid shadow]

That's fine too then, just keep your charges.

[glossy ember]

sounds good to me. Was wondering if it was worth dropping charges to get kinetic resonance going

but 4-6x warp charges probably too good to ignore

[steel flame]

It's decent boss dps, but psyker has new options for bosses that we didn't have before which out pace it now

[glossy ember]

oh definitely when I played the deimos force sword I just went stabby stab lmao

but i'm not feeling comfy with force swords yet

runnign this

[orchid shadow]

Nah, not really. Unless that cast absolutely must get off within a certain time frame. You're trading damage for speed that you can't get back quickly in the moment.

[glossy ember]

yeah that's what i figured too

[steel flame]

You can also shred bosses with repeated uncanny headshots with dueling saber 4

[normal matrix]

I might spec into shields instead of scrier, but just do walls instead of dome

[ancient thicket]

Fire staff is a go!!

I'm about to be the scariest psyker in the hive

[plucky flax]

[olive ember]

🤔 nice nice

[shut ether]

How does one surge in Auric

I feel like I'm dooing something wrong coming from void

[olive ember]

you take it

you right click enemies

thats about it

doesn't feel good? Thats because surge sucks

[steel flame]

I love me "fuck you specials" walls With my trauma and cc builds

[shut ether]

teesting a soulblaze surge build

[olive ember]

just make sure you are taking perilous combustion

that thing is basically the only thing carrying surge rn

[jaunty gust]

Broadly speaking, what's considered the current meta psyker for boss murder and general gameplay individually?

[terse flare]

She is not perfect but she is my Staff 🙂

[plucky flax]

Focused channelling interesting.

[whole oxide]

you can't do both with psyker

[plucky flax]

Our better monster damage is duelling sword and bb.

But it still sucks compared to other classes.

[jaunty gust]

Yes, thus my asking about them as individual builds.

[steel flame]

Sure you can. Laspistol crit psyker does both

[whole oxide]

not what i'd call a general build

[steel flame]

It does everything well. If that's not general use I dunno what is

[jaunty gust]

Elaborate a bit? I've enjoyed gunker.

[fading gale]

Man those rolls are crazy

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma with bb does everything okay

[strange bone]

Holy shit

[proven stirrup]

jfc I do not like how easy everything feels with assail. I actually don't want to use this anymore.

[strange bone]

Dueling sword, assail and surge staff

Lmao

[proven stirrup]

I miss my purgatus

[twin yacht]

any cool new build with psyker?

not really hyped for assail or force staff spam

[plucky flax]

Sorry purgatus belongs in the dumpster.

[strange bone]

[proven stirrup]

The fucked up part is it's not even any worse, it's just slow

Which is not ideal in this current game

[plucky flax]

If you want to burn blaze trauma is much stronger.

[strange bone]

That we live in a time where trauma is better than purgatus

[proven stirrup]

I don't have the resources to just run that

I've been trying to farm up mats but I feel like I can't even do that on psyker anymore

[plucky flax]

[proven stirrup]

god forbid I play on damnation either. I'm not skill enough to clutch as a psyker.

Or really at all but psyker takes even more skill

[dusk rose]

to bad cloud stat is meh

[plucky flax]

Psyker is just a bit squishy but generally you can stay out of melee if you just spam staff.

[proven stirrup]

Meh

This game doesn't let you do that

If you don't have your head on a swivel you get snuck up on by chaff

[plucky flax]

That is strange since I've done so many clutches on psyker.

[proven stirrup]

Good for you, I already said I'm not good enough to manage that consistently.

[plucky flax]

[cyan portal]

I don't understand why people think purgatus has fallen off. I regularly get top dmg in auric malestroms. Maybe it doesn't shine on earlier difficulties when there isn't enough density?

[whole oxide]

because top damage as a metric is pretty small-brain

[proven stirrup]

Getting top damage doesn't mean much when it takes so long to kill any individual threat.

It's not about numbers it's about performance. And your perks

If you're not actively killing shit, you're just padding your scorecard

[whole oxide]

being able to do 10k damage and quickly deal with 10 specials/elites, is more valuable than dealing 50k damage into a harmless horde

[proven stirrup]

Softening hordes is an asset, yes, but it's not nearly as much of one in that kind of density. And before you have a good staff to begin with, it just feels like shit

[whole oxide]

like, even when void was dog-tier, it was easy to get top damage by throwing bowling balls into basic hordes, before anyone else had a chance to damage them

but pre-13 void was still shit

[cyan portal]

Sure, if I add 'vs every enemy category' to top dmg, will you believe me?

[whole oxide]

i'll believe you're getting top damage

i still don't value top damage as a indicator of whats good

[worn cypress]

I dont think the damage is what makes purg good either

if one's arguing that it's good

[cyan portal]

Clutching regularly? Mission success rate? Enemies staggered? What do you measure

[viral solstice]

plasteel

[cyan portal]

277k plastel, check 😂

[whole oxide]

mission success rate, although I'd also consider how often do I think "damn, I'm glad we had this guy with us"

[viral solstice]

my goal is to win on damage taken

have the hisghest

[plucky flax]

My goal is to meme. Which I do very often.

[cyan portal]

The second part is tricky when you're the one with the purgatus, 'sure am glad i'm here..'. Though i do regularly think 'yup that would've been a wipe', which is the same thing. No other staff can hurt and kill everything at the same time, so in the most hectic situations it does the most work.

[whole oxide]

but thats exactly the point of looking at how others perform, it controls for your own bias

[stiff reef]

Warp Battery done, just needed to use Revolver lol

[whole oxide]

thing is, that hectic situations is pretty much the only situation where purg is valuable, and even then it's arguably not higher value than trauma

[neon steppe]

Purge with brain burst and infinite bubbles is the best auric maelstrom build if you’re worried about having to keep your team safe

[glossy ember]

bless

[fierce crest]

Cursed

75 point stamina is a lie

[glossy ember]

wait

what does that mean

is it not actually 3 stamina...

[normal matrix]

I have a few +3 stams

[strong gulch]

Have you done the super fast stabby build?

[plucky flax]

I'm not sure but I did make a meme knife zealot build.

[strong gulch]

👀 Do scrier's + DD and invest in the movement speeds. Bring knife or dueling sword.

Gotta go fast kinfe charge.

knife

[plucky flax]

Sounds like my kind of meme. I'll probably adjust my assail revolver to this.

[strong gulch]

💯

[vocal sundial]

this is my fave build

I have improved upon it by adding 5 wound assail

[strong gulch]

5 wound assail. Please explain so that I may know the ways.

[vocal sundial]

need the martyrdom stacks I explode myself a lot

but mostly I don't like smite and I want the quell peril with no movespeed penalty

[strong gulch]

gotcha

[steel flame]

I use this with dumdum infernus laspistol and Mk4 dueling saber with uncanny strike and rampage

You horde and trash clear with your saber and assail, maulers, ragers gunners, reapers and bulwarks are all melted by the laspistol, while carapace is cleared with your saber. Laspistol with scrier and headshots will melt a boss in 2 clips and unyielding saber will also melt bosses with repeated headshots

[undone storm]

Does Scryer's Gaze node Precognition which increases finesse have any effect on weapons that don't have inherent finesse stat?

[steel flame]

Finesse is crit and weak spot damage

[tender terrace]

feels like they did something with purg that seems nice lol

[steel flame]

So yes, finesse affects anything that can crit or hit weakspots

[harsh urchin]

yes but itll be less impactful on stuff with bad crit/weak multipliers

[undone storm]

Yeah, I use combat axe fx which doesn't have it. Just wondering if I should swap to tactical axe or just take the reduced peril buildup node

[steel flame]

Another case of fat shark failing to explain anything in their game

[wide galleon]

crit purg is GO

[tender terrace]

hard to explain things when they themselves dont even know

[steel flame]

Combat axe does good headshot damage so finesse benefits it

At the same time that damage only comes out after scrier ends and lasts for 10 seconds so if you want more time in scriers for the crit chance you may want the peril reduction

[tender terrace]

what does this one even do?

[steel flame]

If you crit

You have ranged immunity for 1 second

On every crit

[tender terrace]

interesting

[steel flame]

It all proc any on dodge effects if a shot misses you during that time because of it

[undone storm]

Are you sure? By the way it's written I understand it that it starts building up while Gaze is active and the bonus just lingers for 10s on top of that duration

[plucky flax]

@strong gulch I updated my blaze trauma build and did the funny damage in melee only modifier
https://youtu.be/8sj-V9yVPFs

[steel flame]

It's what we think is happening but it's difficult to test

And the unclear description doesn't really help

[undone storm]

Love making builds if you got to question every node whether it works or not

[steel flame]

Regardless of how it works it's still damage

And it's what i use in my crit build with laspistol and saber as both have immense crit and headshot multipliers

[toxic forge]

holy fucking brick maaaan

[orchid shadow]

Neat, what mod is that that changes your staff charge color when it reaches max?

[steel flame]

Keep it for the future when blazing void is good again

[toxic forge]

Yeah Im going too

At leas it has some potential

[prisma perch]

Wondering which void would be better

[inner bolt]

if you're using empowered psyonics, surge staff is bugged and gaining the smite damage bonus. so the staff is doing 120% more damage when it shouldnt

swap one broken ass bug for another lmao

[lime creek]

does the surge blessing work for charged shots?

[prisma perch]

On void it does! 👍

[lime creek]

damn that's great

[cyan portal]

left would be my pick

[wide galleon]

oh that’s you. you carried me in auric once, thanks

[frigid dune]

how do we feel about smite with emp psionics now btw? the damage increase seems like enough to at least kill poxies and sometimes flak bois before it stops channeling

[prisma perch]

Will use left one, ty! 👍

[plucky flax]

Huh when that's never me I am being told I am really bad player on zealot chat.

[wide galleon]

no you were going bonkers with the ds like weeks ago

[plucky flax]

[tender terrace]

using neither surge or EP

[proven stirrup]

it certainly doesn't even need that bugged boost

[torn palm]

putting aside the surge staff bug, is the purgatus staff good rn?

More specifically is it better then voidstrike?

[lyric burrow]

No

Its good

[silk hawk]

No... At least for me its a solid No, after voidstrike nerf trauma and surge are top

[lyric burrow]

But void is significantly better

[torn palm]

Is void better then trauma?

[lyric burrow]

Imo yes but trauma is very good

[silk hawk]

I never properly used trauma but people say u need some time to get used to it

[rare storm]

Does anybody else feel the headshot hitbox is a little wonky on the voidstaff

I need to aim my crosshair higher than the head for it to count

[plucky flax]

Imo no trauma is best.

[torn palm]

Yikes everybody got a different opinion lol

[plucky flax]

Exactly. Try it for yourself.

Trauma is though a very hard staff to play so not a lot of people like it.

[torn palm]

It doesnt do as much damage as void right?

its more stagger and aoe?

[steel flame]

Knockdown, aoe,

[plucky flax]

Hrm Idk I did 1375k damage with my blaze trauma in 31 mins so I think it does damage.

[rare storm]

Trauma is more of a support staff, especially if you get rendshock on it

Lets you help your team melt monstrosities etc

[white egret]

How does purgatus staff measure up these days?

[glossy ember]

huh, i didn't know the staff's melee hit was a guarenteed stagger on weakpoints

[steel flame]

I use it to murder everything in sight, but the best part is that it's a damage and support staff at the same time

It's also a lot less boring to use than voidstaff Zzzzzzzz

[plucky flax]

What is the meme dd gazer laspistol build? I have this right now.

[steel flame]

MEME? MEME!?

How dare you

[plucky flax]

Well I don't think it's as good as assail revolver.

[plucky flax]

No perfect timing for assail?

[steel flame]

I don't need to rely on a bugged blessing to be good

[plucky flax]

It's not a bug it's a feature.

[steel flame]

No, why? It's a minimal damage gain and assail is mainly used to clear trash and stagger anyway and it doesn't need extra damage to accomplish that. So I focus on buffing my main weapons in laspistol and saber

[plucky flax]

My mk4 ds has 23% cleave damage but it still kills horde.

[steel flame]

You can'tget virtual immunity to ranged damage with dinky old revolver like you can with laspistol, and laspistol makes better use of scarier than revolver with the faster fire rate and magazine. Not to mention laspistol actually shreds bosses while revolver doesn't

[plucky flax]

Oh yeah my revolver build uses shriek.

[silk hawk]

Am i the only one who think that mk2 sabre is top xD?

[steel flame]

Seems like he's been infected by the tiny crabpoganda

It was the whooshing sounds wasn't it

[silk hawk]

Kek

[wooden flare]

Fellas, I got Keep Your Distance done

And It was a butt clenching mission at that

I was backed into a corner low on health as dogs were running about on my lonesome. I had a crusher eyeing me down

[steel flame]

I remember getting that one before I realized it was a penance

[plucky flax]

I'll try the meme build in a real game now. Enough testing in meat grinder.

[wooden flare]

I killed every enemy via soulblaze and just kept bullying the crusher by pushing him with my force sword

I felt un-fucking-stoppable after that

[silk hawk]

That's ez achi i think, i for randomly after i return to the game...

[wooden flare]

Also TIL I can make Maulers and Crushers my bitch with Force Swords

Bulwarks scare me tho

[silk hawk]

As far as i remember the hardest one to do for me was to kill elites with self exupulooooosion...

But it was at launch 🙂

[wooden flare]

I did that as one of my first ones

I just kept flinging myself at elites

[frank moat]

Just had two players swear at a fellow sibling for being too low level and then ragequit the lobby

She was Level 27

On Heresy low-int

[silk hawk]

No family without a freaks....

xD

[fresh reef]

So basically Malice

[brazen warren]

all psyker runs are almost as wholesome as all ogryn runs, big positive energy

[silk hawk]

Box.

Whos remember that convo?

[brazen warren]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-warhammer-40k-warhammer-40k-darktide-darktide-oryx-gif-14283469670598028816

Box. Box. Box? Lunch?

[silk hawk]

Ye ))

[royal granite]

have you ever been the only psyker not running assail voidstrike in a group of 4 psykers?

it is not very fun

[digital narwhal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1143510801991348224/1165966301315997776/crumple.gif?ex=6548c5bc&is=653650bc&hm=24a78bc83033d2258b0564bebb52398cc623f08a55f18d13285e2e76367d34b9&

[plucky flax]

When do you use gaze? Just pop it whenever? I played a round and I felt like I didn't use it enough. Sometimes I am at high peril and I didn't want to use it too but I reckon I should have anyway.

[supple ember]

What builds do you guys run at auric maelstrom?

[silk hawk]

When ever u are about to dive.... If u have high peril just quel it....

[plucky flax]

Quelling with assail is so slow and bad.

[plucky flax]

Many builds work but blaze trauma is my favourite.

[brazen warren]

I have been that psyker, and it was a pretty solid run. but I was referencing the character chatter throughout the mission

[silk hawk]

Grab +30% talent, sometimes u need it, bcuz u want 30 stacks

[plucky flax]

+30%?

[silk hawk]

+30% quel speed

[plucky flax]

Yeah no way I have enough points for that.

[royal granite]

oh yeah, that makes sense

all the voices have so much sympathy

[silk hawk]

U play ep?

[plucky flax]

No I play dd.

Duelling sword laspistol assail dd.

Gazer meme

[red sky]

what should I add to this bad boi?
Unyielding maybe, instead of Flak?

[plucky flax]

Could go with unyielding or carapace aye.

[rough ibex]

anyone here know a psyker named Shila?

[sage glacier]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-kenobi-of-course-i-know-him-hes-me-gif-12774102

[full bane]

How does Laspistol preform on an optimized Gun Psyker setup?

[silk hawk]

Ye, with dd it's hard, then grab battle meditation and peril quel on dd itself and pray i guess xD

[rough ibex]

https://tenor.com/view/clueless-gif-24395495

[steel flame]

I pop it when I need speed boost, or when I've got a lot of shooters pinning people down I need to kill cause I can just sprint at em while empathic evasion keeps me safe. I'll pop it for bosses and groups of elites. I'll also pop it when I goes wading into hordes with saber or when I need to kill a crusher swarm with saber

[brazen warren]

the toughness regen helps too

[ornate hamlet]

Gaze is the volley fire of psyker, except fun

[full bane]

Hey Spark’Eads, trying to put together a gun Psyker setup with the Laspistol, how would y’all recommend I do it?

[plucky flax]

I'm trying my build like this

[spice veldt]

Im commander Shepard and I approve of this tree

[long wharf]

yikes

with SG, I wouldn't even bother with Assail

[spice veldt]

toughness nodes abandoned in favor of scrier's gaze but I can tolerate it 🥺

[long wharf]

and DD isn't reliable enough to be worth the node points

[plucky flax]

Xd

[brazen warren]

since DD only works on shooters, shot gunners, gunners, and ragers

[plucky flax]

Yiker indeed mah fren.

[long wharf]

DD needs a rework before it's worth using

[brazen warren]

warp siphon probably a better choice than empower for an SG build

passive damage boost and more SG uptime

extra toughness regen

[long wharf]

yeah, only issue there is number of points you have to distribute

[torn hamlet]

yo so i played a game with someone where the bubble shield was giving us an overshield. How does that work what is the passive you have to take to get an overshield from the bubble?

[long wharf]

with guns, you definitely want True Aim

[long wharf]

you weren't

psyker doesn't have any way of giving other players "overshield"

[spice veldt]

if you had a vet, he was the one giving overtoughness

[brazen warren]

so far as I know bubble gives toughness regen, but not overshield. you have a zealt relic or vet screaming at you?

[plucky flax]

I might remove 1 of the node leading to combustion for 15 extra toughness.

[torn hamlet]

hmm ok yea it might have been a vet

as well

[plucky flax]

Probably quietude.

[ebon jolt]

Warp Siphon is bugged and it does not lower SG cooldown. Unless they fixed that in patch 14.

Wasn't in patch notes.

Making WS bad with SG.

[thorn cedar]

SG already starts its cooldown immediately on use. Hardly a dealbreaker.

[long wharf]

how sure are you of this?

[ebon jolt]

The cooldown does not start until gaze ends.

[thorn cedar]

Still wish Warp Charges being consumed for CDR on use was a node modifier though. I just wanna keep da damages

[ornate hamlet]

It seems to be stuck on the timer until the effect ends

[thorn cedar]

Oh yeah I'm probably misinterpreting the extended effect after it ends

[brazen warren]

even with the cd reduction bug, the toughness gain and passive damage inbetween sg casts outweighs empower benefits or DD benefits

[thorn cedar]

But that shit seems very available

[brazen warren]

average about 20 stacks when the duration ends, 30 if there was a horde to cleave through

10 seconds of 20-30% damage after the end

[ebon jolt]

DD grants movement speed, toughness regen and damage. I think DD is the best choice to pair with SG. Even if it's a bit wonky to use sometimes.

[steel flame]

Hard disagree with you on that one, dunno what you find unreliable about cause I can sit on 15 stacks all game and the speed boost alone is already worth the node

[ebon jolt]

Gotta go zoomin with all those movement speed buffs.

My least favorite part about assail is I can't use it and psykinetics aura at the same time 😞

[plucky flax]

My least favourite part about assail is no wildfire.

[ebon jolt]

Is wildfire good? I’ve always found it underwhelming. Especially compared to perilous combustion.

[twin hedge]

Im a little torn between WS and DD for my bangbang shooty psyker. DD feels cooler and funner mechanically, plus knowing theres a special or elite randomly in a clusterfuck is great.

But WS gives me damage boost and peril generation for my SC for next to no effort.

[ornate hamlet]

I am using DD more because it's different

[twin hedge]

And the fact that it ticks down one by one instead of the whole dang thing...

[rare storm]

Honestly just playstyle, I prefer dd when using void because it technically gives the biggest damage boost paired with surge+true aim

[long wharf]

warp charges expire one at a time

[plucky flax]

Look I casted the spell and they keep burning until they're all dead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KVUUzH_CZiY

[twin hedge]

Yeah, mechanically wise, DD is fun trying to pop my targets up.

[full bane]

I remember how happy Spark’Eads were when that change dropped and honestly I understand, losing all of your charges at once sounds awful

[long wharf]

warp charges are still mechanically weak as a gameplay system

[full bane]

True

[long wharf]

but at least we don't lose them all at once any more

[twin hedge]

I just feel like the payoff isn't quite there

Or adding alot in terms of how you play the game

In terms of Warp Charges

Maybe I'm just using it incorrectly.

[ornate hamlet]

Warp charges are goated

[brazen warren]

passive damage helps you hit breakpoints, regen toughness, and use your ult more often. the effect is not as active or noticable as empower or DD but smooths out consistancey across a match

preference

[ornate hamlet]

🐐‼️

[long wharf]

goat farts?

[rare storm]

Man what's with lv24/27s in my hi-intens damnation runs

Big L

[lapis bay]

HOws survivability?

[plucky flax]

I haven't tried it in auric yet. Did a regular damnation earlier and only took 22 hp damage but that's on par with anything else.

[copper lotus]

WYT?

[long wharf]

flurry to blazing spirit

crit damage to crit chance

[steel flame]

I was having fun leveling classes with a buddies last night and we were doing hi int shocktroop damnation with 3 sub 15s and one 30

Only lost one out of 5

Was really fun

Course we have all been playing for ages so I guess that doesn't really count

[rare storm]

It's fun if they know what they're doing and play together

The randoms I've played with so far play it like it's malice and run off on their own

[brazen warren]

yep

[rare storm]

Then get downed by ragers

Turns it into a 2man rescue mission

[near wyvern]

Sometimes you just gotta run off cause your team mates have no clue about objectives and have trouble just standing up

https://youtu.be/S_sP6mE-V4o

[rare storm]

Had to do that so many times lmao, they keep staying in the same area and just get over run

but shit combat knife looks fun, can't wait to get a good one

[plucky flax]

Hab dreyko end event is the worst lately.

You better bring stealth or something so you can solo scan.

[rare storm]

What's the dump stat on the combat blade again

Mobility?

[ornate hamlet]

Ye

[rare storm]

Ayee

[ornate hamlet]

But it's nice to have because of funny mobility

[rare storm]

True

May brunt and hadron bless me

[near wyvern]

Yeah mobility is the dump but it's also fine if you have all equal. The most important thing is to get uncanny and bleed on crit on it.

[plucky flax]

Bleed knoife on zealot is cray cray.

[near wyvern]

Uncanny so you have a way of dealing with armour and bleed on crit because Psykers can abuse the push attack on it so you should always be aiming for the head shots

Bleed on no weakspot is not that productive

And uncanny strike is more damage than mercy killer

[ornate hamlet]

Executioner enjoyers

Or was it executor

[harsh urchin]

and backstab is broken rn

so it's fucked

[harsh urchin]

not sure actually. it might be useful for activating scourge

I haven't seen lacerate3 or 4

so havent been able to test

[near wyvern]

@rare storm this was the build I was using if you are interested

• combat blade with uncanny strike 4 and flesh tearer 4
• Columnus V infantry auto with Dumdum 3 and Fire frenzy 4 (don't have dumdum 4 yet)

And if you encounter elites close up you just do this:
https://streamable.com/kdikd2

[ornate hamlet]

Pygex was doing knife psyker before me

Preposterous

I can't have anything special in me fookin loife bruv

[near wyvern]

Scourge?

[frank moat]

Sorry if this is asked a lot, but what are the effects of enhanced blitz alert for Psykers? ||And would it affect Surge staff ||

[steel flame]

I was using a knife with trauma staff like a year ago

[near wyvern]

Used to be reduced peril cost but haven't gotten the modifier yet so can't confirm

For blitz that is

[steel flame]

Sadly it has lacerate locked in so Im hunting for another

[near wyvern]

Same, until they released my son Deimos

[slate sun]

Guys does anyone know how much they actually nerfed Voidstrike? I can't find the numbers anywhere ...
It feels somehow ... feeble-ish
a bit like Surge ...

[near wyvern]

A tad bit, best blessings are now Warp Nexus + Warp Fluffy for sustained DPS, Warp Nexus + Surge only if you want some RNG burst

But it's still meta as anty everything

There is no enemy it cannot handle

Mutants are the worst for it but you can always just poke once with Deimos

[slate sun]

Just wondering if maybe its time to switch to Surge or blaze trauma like everyone seems to do

[near wyvern]

Void still does monstrosities better cause you can stun lock them if you have the aim and the timing right

[silent chasm]

Hm, still trying to find a melee weapon I like for my psyker. Anybody got any recommendations?
So far I like the Illisi, the Mk IV Devil's Claw, the Chainsword, the Duel Sword, and the Rashad MK II, but I'm not sure which of those (if any) is optimal.

[slate sun]

and a "tad bit" can be anything between 10-50% 😄

[brazen warren]

depends on the build you run

[slate sun]

Assail feels rather useless too, but that is exactly as I expected

[silent chasm]

ranged and abilities wise or entire tree wise. because I'm kind of guessing when it comes to the tree lol

[near wyvern]

I still have a couple to test but looks like the meta will be:

• uncanny strike + slaughterer Illisi for horde clear
• uncanny strike + slaughterer Deimos for single target damage

Duelling Sword IV is also nice and sits between Illisi and Deimos

Combat Axes and Tactical Axes are still the worst weapons to use as a Psyker

[near wyvern]

It's not if you know how to weave

[silent chasm]

Noted. Any reason the axe is bad? Not questioning, just curious plus my 378 roll on one.

[ornate hamlet]

Yall need to chill it with the names ong

[brazen warren]

psyker gets alot of damage boosting effects, but not attackspeed, so axes can be a bit overkill

[silent chasm]

aaah, fair yeah.

[brazen warren]

you can use them, they are just not as good as our other options within their niche

deimos and dueling sword

[silent chasm]

So lower damage but higher attack speed is probably better. that pushes me towards hordeclear weapons I think. Makes sense since I tend to run the Voidstrike anyway.

[ornate hamlet]

Mk4 dueling sword is goated atm

[idle aurora]

What blessings for ds mk4? Shred+uncanny?

[ornate hamlet]

Uncanny strike and shred or rampage

[silent chasm]

(isn't Surge good too? I heard sumn about that)

[brazen warren]

mk4 devilclaw and illisi both are good at horde clear

surge is benefitting from a bug right now

[silent chasm]

Yee, I do have a Devilclaw and an Illisi I both enjoy. would you recco one over the other?

...let me guess, surge is somehow working with free warp attacks. just like smite was, right? figures.

[brazen warren]

it is inheriting the 125% smite damage boost from empower

oneshot pop most things

[silent chasm]

O h I s e e

...I might have to play around with that.

[near wyvern]

The Axes do a very similar thing that what a duelling sword does, they are decent against everything but Duelling Swords do everything they can do just better:

• Tactical Axes have high mobility, so do duelling swords
• Tactical Axes can stop a mutant charge with a special on head, so can the duelling swords
• Duelling Swords deal better with a horde and do more single target DPS as well than factical & combat axes

[brazen warren]

as for the illisi/dclaw comparison it depends on how much peril management you do

if you are running scriers gaze, dclaw, otherwise you can get away with illisi. both can work either way its just they fit those styles better

[silent chasm]

I prefer the Thunderdome, so I'll probably go Illisi then, thanks^^

[near wyvern]

Devil's Claw had it's moment on patch 13, the mark 4 was amazing. Unfortunately they tuned it down and buffed scab eager HP while buffing Illisi damage so Illisi is the better horde clear weapon again.

[silent chasm]

ah, nod nod

so it sounds like the general weapons (axe, clawswords) aren't bad they're just inferior to the class-specific weapons we get.

understandable.

[brazen warren]

with scriers running, hammerblow, savage sweep, infested/flak boost you can mow through hyper dense horde with dclaw mk4

[near wyvern]

Correct, this is how it is at the moment

[brazen warren]

chainsword is viable for mobility and anti mutant.carapace

dsword is better at carapace.mutant

[silent chasm]

I do like me some Chainsword, issue mine's only 327 base which means I need a better one.

[brazen warren]

but rev it up for 20% free unlimited speed? very good in some scenarios

decent fallback for boss dps too

[dark stag]

Can I sacrifice wildfire and battle meditation for Mettle and perfect timing or is it not worth it? (using surge)

[brazen warren]

drop perilous combustion and enfeeble from smite

[dark stag]

really?

[rare storm]

interesting

[brazen warren]

vent is giving you way more soulblaze spread with wildfire, and enfeeble is not great

[near wyvern]

Depends how much horde clearance you want to have. If your team doesn't need that much horde clear, yeah sure. You can reach 2 shots on many things with perfect timing stacked.

[rare storm]

Why not run perilous combustion or wildfire since you already running creeping flames?

[dark stag]

the thing is that I barely can't one shot elite flak gunners but with 6 warps and timing stacked I can

so that's why I was askin

[brazen warren]

perilous combustion to me is not as good when using vent and wildfire due to the fact you are already melting everything with fire before the elites and specials die

so it is wasted to a degree

[dark stag]

Fair enough

[rare storm]

@near wyvern

[dark stag]

Why the enfeeble from smite tho?

[near wyvern]

Enfeeble is great with all soulblaze talents, battle meditation and warp siphon. You can just ult, zap a horde and they will die.

[fossil snow]

is the power up peanance as much of a pain in the ass with new warp charges as I think it is?

[brazen warren]

I am saying is it better than perfect timing which requires no additional upkeep

you wont lose out either way

but I find enfeeble to be overkill for soulblaze

[near wyvern]

Not needed. Check the video for killing the elites. For horde, you weave with knife and assail so the fire will be put out really fast. (Wildfire has a ton of bugs). It's better to invest on toughness regen so you can be very aggressive.

Creeping Flames is mainly there for quickly venting and interrupting things, the soulblaze is just bonus damage that is not of interest (although it's great!)

[rare storm]

I see

[fresh reef]

Don't think I ever hit 1k chaff mob kills before lol

[dark stag]

honestly if wildfire is so buggy why not sacrifice it instead of parilous combustion or enfeeble

[steel flame]

Combustion is never not a good pick

That shit slaps

[spice veldt]

i shank every person who doesn't take perilous combustion

28 stab wounds

[fresh reef]

15 bleed stacks

[near wyvern]

And @rare storm if you invest in wildfire you can't get assail nor malefic momentum in the first place

[rare storm]

ye realised after looking through again lol

Why puppet master tho

[dark stag]

I'm gonna yolo with this

[rare storm]

Seems like a somewhat selfish build, can't see the coherency aura boost being useful

[near wyvern]

Because even though Wildfire can only light up new targets with a 4 stack soulblaze which is not able to kill things on its own, smite with enfeeble will close the gap and make things die.

[rare storm]

oh wait nevermind, I see why puppet master

[steel flame]

Lol

I was about to say

It's kinda mandatory

[rare storm]

It's been a long day reading and understanding is hard

[near wyvern]

No need with Columnus

[plucky flax]

Christopher Columbus?

[near wyvern]

Aye the explorer who killed all the natives, that's the one

[fresh reef]

with Mettle and Blazing Trauma, does it give you 5% per enemy hit?

[near wyvern]

Yes

[plucky flax]

My man is based for creating the land of the free.

[primal plume]

Is warp nexus on trauma staff a decent bless?

[plucky flax]

It lets you make the best trauma build so yes.

[steel flame]

Land of the free to pay exorbitant made up health expenses

[primal plume]

Whats the other? Brittle?

[near wyvern]

If you get high charge rate, high blast radius and blazing spirit as well on it

[plucky flax]

I'm bri'ish but I wish I was american.

https://tenor.com/view/granger-smith-earl-dibbles-america-gif-13831121

[rare storm]

flat toughness vs toughness dmg red, is one better than the other or is it having a balance thing?

[steel flame]

You say that till you have to pay $2000 for a ride to the hospital in an ambulance

[plucky flax]

Some rending shockwave build idk never played that.

Miss me with dat shhh I'm driving myself to the hospital.

[ornate hamlet]

Ideally you calculate the toughness with the damage reduction and see which gives more ET

[near wyvern]

Having a balance cause with toughness damage resist you get diminishing returns if you pick more than 3

[ornate hamlet]

Like if 100 toughness and 5% DR are better than 115 toughness and no DR

BUT

[rare storm]

oo interesting okay

[near wyvern]

I wish it was that simple

[ornate hamlet]

Toughness curios increase the toughness gain from the trees

[near wyvern]

But fatshark made diminishing returns a thing with resists when you stack them too much

So it's very hard to accurately calculate

[fresh reef]

why

[rare storm]

Does this also apply to dmg resist like gunners/snipers?

[ornate hamlet]

By virtue of them being multiplicative, or some other obscurity?

Yes

[rare storm]

So I shouldn't stack 3 diff curios of gunner resist then?

[near wyvern]

Having things very complex gives good excuses for content draughts

[ornate hamlet]

You can, but you don't get 60%

[young meteor]

You still should

[rare storm]

I see

[fresh reef]

*immeasurably complex

[ornate hamlet]

You get 0.8x0.8x0.8

[near wyvern]

Yes, but as a psyker it's based to slap sniper resist on all three of them

[rare storm]

I mean at what point will having other resist be better

Ehhh I see

[ornate hamlet]

Iron will vets tanking a fucking sniper shot

[rare storm]

sniper or gunner

[ornate hamlet]

Both

[rare storm]

as in for psyker curios which would be better

sniper resist or gunner resist

[spare light]

I prefer gunner resists, snipers only get me once every 20 missions, gunners get me each mission

[rare storm]

I've had decent success dodging most sniper shots.... I guess I'll be fine

[ornate hamlet]

Get both either way

[rare storm]

[plucky flax]

Sometimes you just get hit.

[near wyvern]

At no point cause the other resist types are shit. Gunner resistance only applies to Dreg and Scab Gunners and Reapers (three elite gunners). Nothing else. If it was shotgunners and regular shooters as well it would be good.

[ornate hamlet]

What else will you do, corruption resistance?

[rare storm]

Might slap combat regen on them lol

[ornate hamlet]

Works

Psyker has cracked stamina delay and can get kinetic deflection

[rare storm]

yea anything stam related I basically just ignore cause of kd

[ornate hamlet]

Stamina regen and block efficiency get kinda okay

[idle aurora]

I just run: ability regen / hp / toughness regen x3

[plucky flax]

I like stam regen on zealot.

And vet.

[near wyvern]

As a psyker you should have toughness regen on all three, sniper resist on all three, and something that makes you feel giggly for the third. It's a make your meme slot.

+toughness or +HP as the third to if you are serious. Having it on all three is almost worth a blessing.

[spare light]

+30% ordo dockets

[near wyvern]

Last time we checked, cooldown reduction is counted after talents so we are talking about shaving off a whole 0.3 seconds from CD per curio here. Might be change tho, haven't tested again.

[cosmic sigil]

they tuned it down? i don't remember seeing that in the notes. On the other hand rampage still bugged

[rare storm]

sniper resist who

dueling swords are enough

[plucky flax]

Did you manage to clutch?

[spare light]

https://tenor.com/view/dodge-the-matrix-swerve-lunge-dive-gif-22197111

[rare storm]

yep, revived all 3 lmao

[plucky flax]

[rare storm]

dueling swords superior

also props to uncanny strikes, god damn life savers

[idle aurora]

Isn't it just a flat reduction to your ability cd? For example venting takes 30 sec. by default, with 4% x3 stack it shows 26 seconds on cooldown (numeric ui mod can show time on ult)

[harsh urchin]

stacking crit node on zealot

[spice veldt]

combat ability regen was counted before talents pre-patch 13

[near wyvern]

It's in the patch note post 2

[spice veldt]

3.6 second reduction with 12% combat ability regen

[idle aurora]

yep

[spice veldt]

and then psykinetic's aura scaled off of the reduced 26.4 second cd

[near wyvern]

This is a psyker chat mate, all I say here is through the eyes of a Psyker 😅

[near wyvern]

Not with quicken it wasn't

[idle aurora]

a bit sad that aura was chopped from 15% down to 5%

[harsh urchin]

fair nerf lol

[rare storm]

Also what does toughness regen speed even do for psykers? doesn't it only apply to the auto regen in coherency

[near wyvern]

It's still good cause auric

[harsh urchin]

5% is quite powerful

[spice veldt]

damn i forgot about quicken

[spare light]

Trauma users, how do you deal with having a gazillion gunners sometimes?

[near wyvern]

Reduces the delay for the coherency regen to kick in after taking damage and improves the regeneration speed it provides

[plucky flax]

Like with everything else. You blast them.

[spice veldt]

i run assail

[harsh urchin]

😔

even our arco

[idle aurora]

Oh yeah, im not saying it's useless. When elites roll in value is still amazing. I guess i was just too used to previous version

[harsh urchin]

has fallen

[spare light]

I legit might swap to Assail again cause it's getting ridiculous

[cosmic sigil]

ogryn and psyker are the only char i run around with 90 toughness regen

[spice veldt]

trauma has a horizontal range of 20m so you should be able to comfortably explode them most times

[plucky flax]

I don't run assail with my trauma and very regularly get top shooters killed.

[ornate hamlet]

I'm tempted to run assail and a close-range gun

[spare light]

You run BB right?

[plucky flax]

Aye but only for snipers or bombers really far away.

[ornate hamlet]

I wish psykers got shotguns

[plucky flax]

BB is way too slow to kill shooters with.

[near wyvern]

Do it. It's fun. You need to see any clips? 😂

[rare storm]

ahhh... hmmmm...

[ornate hamlet]

Imagine gaze shotgun

[spare light]

Something like Coruscation staff from Sienna in VT2 would a nice addition

[ornate hamlet]

The clips remind me of the time I didnt have massive packet loss

[cosmic sigil]

just bring a gun 😄

[ornate hamlet]

I miss my apartment

[near wyvern]

BB is still not great

Unfortunately

[slate sun]

there is no good choice honestly 😄

[spare light]

Barrier with the talent to get quicker BB's after career + EP is quick enough but when I'm in the middle of a zerg with 2 downs and 5 gunners shooting at me, I have no clue what to do

[ornate hamlet]

BB seems to one-hit reapers without the funny buff

[near wyvern]

wdym smite is really good and assail is... Well... Like doping

[cosmic sigil]

bb is useful to drop the psyker or the bomber on the other side of the map

[silent chasm]

Fuck me, the Deimos sword is terrifying now that I'm actually toying with it.

[idle aurora]

even with psyonics? Or just a default version

[fossil snow]

alot of lacking faith in in brain burst these days

[silent chasm]

sure it's got that stab I don't like to kick off the combo but it also kills ragers with the heavy bit which are the things that I hate the most lol.

[glossy jasper]

hello, is it possible to make the darktide psyker look like the dow imperial guard psyker

[plucky flax]

I don't run wall/bubble nor ep with my trauma bb build.

[slate sun]

well still none is better than the other, so there is no good choice / bad choice 🙂

[near wyvern]

Have +maniac on it and if you pick warp rider having any decent rolled Deimos will one shot a mutant with that second heavy on head

[obtuse walrus]

Hello Brain Burst enthusiast

[spare light]

I'm watching your latest video & it's inspiring me, but I'm guessing that was a mostly melee run cause I barely saw gunners

[idle aurora]

Probably for $ at some point

[near wyvern]

Smite and assail are more useful if you ask me

[glossy jasper]

:(

[plucky flax]

Yeah I have another one with blaze trauma in patch 13 in a regular mission.

[spare light]

Oh nice, I'll check it out

[obtuse walrus]

I run Voidstrike, Power sword, BB, Vent and EP

[plucky flax]

The trauma cc shooters so you can just blast them around the area. Then move in closer for more accurate blasts.

[rare storm]

Imagine having a good trauma staff, I can't, shit's rare as fuck for me lmao

[near wyvern]

If you have void, why do you ever BB

[ornate hamlet]

Luck issue

[rare storm]

When he gets bored of nuking things

[plucky flax]

It's a very hard staff to craft.

[obtuse walrus]

For monsters and tough nuts, snipers, bombers and other annoying enemies

[near wyvern]

Only reasonable answer

[near wyvern]

Sibling. Listen. You can perma stun lock that monster for your team with void while dealing damage.

That is FAR more beneficial than funny blue line on screen that tickles the big guy

[plucky flax]

Also if you run creeping flame with trauma like me you can build up peril then press f to kill shooters.

[obtuse walrus]

Like my void staff is main power, but when I vent, set everything on fire I can quickly help a teammate or two with rapid brain bursts

[spare light]

I do enjoy creeping flame, but I've lost like 5 missions in the last 2 days cause of gunners & nobody fucking dealing with them

[near wyvern]

Why can't you deal with the shooters?

[fossil snow]

I cant belive you guys are '' doesnt visit their parents even though they raised them"ing brain burst

[obtuse walrus]

That to, in some situations with too many gunners. Sometimes it's nice to deal with them in the safety of cover, where I don't have time to line up good voidstrikes

[plucky flax]

Sad time.

[cosmic sigil]

what difficulty are you playing?

[fossil snow]

you just huddle between your crystal girl friend and your lightning body pillow in neglect

[plucky flax]

Me? I play sedition.

[cosmic sigil]

Always

[spare light]

Cause I'm trying to deal with a horde, the crusher breathing on me, avoiding the flames of a bomber, dodging a sniper and just don't have the capabilities to deal with shooters at the same time xD

[near wyvern]

At least they bring me comfort and actually love me back

[plucky flax]

Dayum bro you have the craziest game.

[obtuse walrus]

I don't use block at all, I just dodge

[near wyvern]

Then take a corner and deal with the shooters later. If you can't, then it's a positioning error.

[spare light]

I do take a corner, but then I hear 'something something bombs ready' and well you know

[near wyvern]

I used to be a dodger like you, but then my Deimos took an arrow to the knee and now I have to block every now and then.

[plucky flax]

Want em crispy?

[spare light]

[near wyvern]

Chris B. Beigon

[obtuse walrus]

I mostly use block when I'm out of position and need to stop the hail of gunfire using deflector. (pathing issues mean I can't get the funny run dodge)

[near wyvern]

@spare light the sad truth is, when you play quick play, you gotta be prepared to deal with everything yourself

[spare light]

I just feel like most people focus on hordes over elites/specials in my groups lately

[obtuse walrus]

Which, rarely is a problem unless people are down

[idle bay]

Opposite happend to me. I'm used to be a blocker with Illsi, now i crazy dodger with DS IV.. i have no idea why!

[spare light]

I know, I know

[obtuse walrus]

But yeah, I kill da elites and make my team happy

[plucky flax]

I only play solo queue and I've lost 1 game in the last 3 days. To no fault of my own.

I'm kinda top 1%.

[ornate hamlet]

Me being the first to dive in the shooter crowd and dying to a random overhead because the rest of the team thinks I'm playing decoy for their point and click adventure

[spare light]

Well, when 3 people are trying to get 'big deeps' down on hordes while I'm smiting 4 maulers and 2 crushers and left on my own to deal with, I get kinda annoyed

[near wyvern]

If you died it's always your fault. Especially if you have the skills to carry.

[plucky flax]

Dh got aggro and I was it's 2nd target. I think if dh didn't target me I could have clutched it.

[obtuse walrus]

I enjoy facing off multiple maulers and crushers. I just play the dodging game until they slowly pop their heads open

[plucky flax]

Partly my fault for being the closest to the guy who touched the dh I guess.

[obtuse walrus]

It was fun doing a Damnation Scab Only, No ammo mostly melee only specialist wave maelstrom

Brain Burst my beloved

[plucky flax]

Ep bb can 2 shots crusher?

[spare light]

I think it's especially fun when I'm using purg, holding down 1 side of the horde on my own no problem, and then suddenly see 2 party members run into said side and then hearing the 'you better block or dodge or you'll get hit kid' sound

[obtuse walrus]

Yes

[plucky flax]

Thats kinda op

[obtuse walrus]

It's funny too, since you get ep back on kill

[spare light]

Yea but scab ragers also need 2 EP BB's to die

[obtuse walrus]

Ragers I use

Voidstaff

To stun em before they start their attack pattern

Or atleast hope so

[plucky flax]

I use trauma for everything in melee maelstrom.

Thinking is too hard.

[ornate hamlet]

I hate wrinkly brane

Ewwww

[obtuse walrus]

I only pull out the sword for specific situations. The staff is my melee weapon

[twin hedge]

Revolver is my favorite staff to use.

[obtuse walrus]

Especially since I have close range suppression on kill which briefly stuns them I think

Idk, I do want a staff with surge one day instead of that perk

[idle bay]

After long experimenting with build - your Surge Smite is one of mine 3 favorite builds. Two others is Surge/Assail with Dome (no EP), and crit and all the damage buffs Surge/Smite with Dome (no EP).

[obtuse walrus]

I cast .44 magnum

[ornate hamlet]

Terrifying barrage is ass, or at least was pre-13 because I haven't used it since

[spare light]

I for some reason really dislike using EP Smite

[obtuse walrus]

It's sometimes helpful, but I'd like something else

Like it disorientated hordes before they get into melee range and good at making shooters piss off

But, rather have the peril drainer or surge

[spare light]

Yea but hordes are quite easy to take care of

[obtuse walrus]

Exactly

Kind of nice, but not necessary

[spare light]

Also is it me, or did plasma take over the spot of void?

[obtuse walrus]

They're both good

[rare storm]

Plasma?

[obtuse walrus]

Funny blue gun

[rare storm]

Ooo

Ye it's good now

[spare light]

that cleave is no joke

[obtuse walrus]

But yeah, it reminds me of that one invincible meme though

[cosmic nova]

i have no idea what is good on staves but this looks decent?

[obtuse walrus]

"look at what they must do to mimic our power"

Or something

[obtuse walrus]

Good staff

[spare light]

Except I'd say plasma does it better, as it one shots buffed crushers