psyker-class

[whole oxide]

"prescribed job" let me stop you right there

[unborn flicker]

Never let me down

[thorn tapir]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a76a975-fdc6-4b58-ba93-1f30e9fa9446/gunpsuker-reloaded-patch-14

[brave fiber]

I was about to say, psyker can basically do whatever he wants lmao (except monstrosity damage that’s off limits)

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah in fairness, the whole point of psyker is you can do anything you want.

[thorn tapir]

Gunpsker build with a brief explanation of the loadout

[brave fiber]

Ty homie, appreciate the help

[willow hazel]

Sometimes even better than with a staff. The revolver kills elites/specialists faster than any staff or blitz ability

[thorn tapir]

You dont have to worry about breakpoints either with columnus. More damage really just means more ammo efficiency so you can use a crappy one and be just fine.

[lethal lagoon]

People who leveled in the new patch missed out quite a lot of psyker character development.

[whole oxide]

the whole point of gun-psyker is you have a gun plus 2 other weapons, while other classes have only 1 other weapon, meaning you have less gaps in your build

[orchid nest]

laspistol is pretty good right now too and you'll be assail basically since it benefits from all the crit stuff. can alternate between them and melt stuff. nice having good monstrosity damage. you're relying purely on an uncanny melee though for crushers

[bleak tulip]

im no gunker but im pretty sure thats fuckin wrong lmao

[lethal lagoon]

Just make sure you have the autofire mod for las pistol. Protect those fingies.

[thorn tapir]

that was old gunpsyker. new gunpsyker pretty much NEVER wants to swap off his primary weapons.

there isnt really hybrid psyker gameplay like the old tree

[royal granite]

sure there is

[lethal lagoon]

Huh? half the point of gunker is to buff assail?

[thorn tapir]

if you build paril using your blitz its just less fuel for scryers gaze

[queen fog]

For sure, remember when snipers didn’t care bout bubbles? Now they won’t even pull the trigger if everyone’s in it

[thorn tapir]

if you use sryers gaze and assail you cap INSTANTLY.

[thorn tapir]

blessings arent important for columnus imo. I have Stripped down and punishing salvo on mine.

[bleak tulip]

[lethal lagoon]

Brother that was literally just a week or two ago. I don't need to remember 🤣

[orchid nest]

not quite instantly, and scrier with assail can stack the headshot stuff very quickly for post scrier buff. not that I would take scrier anyways personally

[thorn tapir]

+60 toughness from and 10% toughness damage reduction from the tree, with your base toughness you have 210~ effective toughness

very good in combination with the 8 toughness regeneration talents that build takes

[queen fog]

B-but that’s what u meant bout character development

or at least that’s what I thought

[lethal lagoon]

I meant beta psyker and the months after.

Was a different class compared to today.

[ebon jolt]

New fire frenzy is lit. Up to 50% close damage after a couple of close kills. Also definitely want flak over unarmored.

[thorn tapir]

tbh I miss pre patch 13 psyker.

losing Cerebral Lacerations on brain burst really made the skill feel less interesting to me...

[queen fog]

Oh just BB stuff? The choice between kinetic flayer and cerebral lacerations?

Good times

[thorn tapir]

it wasnt a choice, you could take both

[queen fog]

Goes to show my memory ain’t the best lol

[royal granite]

idk why they removed cerebral lacerations

that thing was good

[thorn tapir]

cause they just GAVE it to ogryn

[lethal lagoon]

I feel you, I have hundreds of hours in psyker and I don't fucking remember the name of a single old talent

Everyone throwing the terms around like nothing. They are just gibberish to me

cerebral lacerations you can kind of guess though, that was 25% all damage after BB, right?

[orchid nest]

yeah

[lethal lagoon]

I loved that talent.

I ran a pure BB build with surge for a while. Topping the scoreboard with BB felt nice.

Plus that lil flame that went past a bunch of break points on BB

[viscid matrix]

that talent was reworked into the Smite version we have now where you get 10% extra base damage against targets being shocked by smite

[lethal lagoon]

Favorite psyker time for me.

Oh, I never made that connection.

Doesn't feel similar really.

[thorn tapir]

bb build really just doesnt feel the same at all.

at least you can OHKO gunners again in patch 14

-_-

[orchid nest]

would be cool if they changed it to be applied by smite for like 5s instead

[lethal lagoon]

I loved BB, I've used it like literally once post patch. It feels so slow for some reason. Game is just faster paced I guess.

[vast sonnet]

What do you think guys, should I go with the staff on the right or keep the one on the left? I could swap out the two traits for unarmored and flak but lose the tier 4 warp nexus

[viscid matrix]

one on the right

Damage and Crit damage are the most important modifiers for surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

^

[vast sonnet]

yeah that is a pretty significant buff there

[brave fiber]

Couldn’t you just rebless nexus 4 on the right one

[vast sonnet]

I could, but then I can't reroll the two perks to flak and unarmored, or anything else really

not sure that 4% crit chance helps that much

[viscid matrix]

rebless nexus to t4, then either swap carapace for 25% or swap crit chance to 5%

[brave fiber]

Surge is best with carapace and crit chance imo

[lethal lagoon]

I dunno, having full perk control might be better than reblessing warp nexus.

[viscid matrix]

every bit of crit matters on surge staff

you want to crit as much as possible

[ebon jolt]

They just made everything else… so much better. By comparison it just doesn’t do enough to justify it sometimes. I don’t think it’s too bad though.

[vast sonnet]

Didn't try a non flak damage one against flaks yet

[fresh reef]

do you guys think if we gave Surge staff a genuine 135% damage buff that it would be overpowered?
Been playing around with it and it honestly seems pretty balanced

[viscid matrix]

it does more than enough damage, the problem is how long it takes to activate

[lethal lagoon]

I've done more damage than my whole team, so Ima go with no.

That said, like a 50% damage buff and leave the extra chain for smite, would be solid.

[languid osprey]

Las gun feels awesome right now

[fresh reef]

teams are also really bad atm, so that's common

[brave fiber]

Honestly just make the chain hits do more damage and make it chain a little bit more, I think that would be cool

[languid osprey]

Not fun picking ammo tho

[orchid nest]

it needs a damage buff for sure but not as much as empowered smite is giving it. and it would be cool if it did actually decent damage to monstrosities while they are at it to solidify its role

[fresh reef]

3 enemies at a time at like, 700ish damage?

[viscid matrix]

fully charged make the secondary chain do 25% of the max damage, which on a crit is probably 600 damage or so

[lethal lagoon]

I'm hesistant about making a largely braindead weapon too powerful. At least void you have to aim. Kind of. Sort of.

[languid osprey]

Void is more braindead than surge

[vast sonnet]

so 1% extra crit chance or 5% extra carapace damage... I think I'll go with carapace... that 1% extra is way too little... but then again 5% extra carapace damage isn't that great either

[viscid matrix]

surge you also have to aim, its more required since it will hit nothing if you dont have your retical over somthing

[lethal lagoon]

🤷‍♂️ Surge usage does not feel like aiming to me, that said, there is something satisfying about hitting targets you want in groups.

[viscid matrix]

it will hit anything that has a pixel showing in your retical, but it has to be in there

[languid osprey]

You cant spam surge like void on literally anything

[lethal lagoon]

It feels like it has target priority for elites though, so I dunno if skill is involved.

[brave fiber]

It feels weird for a lightning staff to not have higher chain damage imo

[viscid matrix]

you can, it has half the charge time too

[brave fiber]

Make surge charge longer but make the chain do a lot more

[orchid nest]

breakpoints are pretty tricky with surge because of its natural damage variance. you have to be well over for it to be consistent. hard to say what to roll there future wise because of that and who knows what they will do. I wouldn't touch it at all right now personally it's perfectly serviceable

[arctic bloom]

if you arent hitting heads with void (Which i see people do fairly often) its really not that great

[thorn tapir]

scryers gaze + dirupt destiny and the illisi is better than the eviscerator and thats saying something

one light charged heavy kills 5 carapace dudes in one swing its nuts

[viscid matrix]

it used to be 5 secondary chains and it did less than 200 damage on main target, and 20 on secondaries 😄

[lethal lagoon]

I can literally just auto-walk into shooter hordes spamming surge, there's a pretty limited amount of skill invlved.

No bug btw

For that example

[brave fiber]

just a depressing amount of damage lol

[languid osprey]

You get more swarmed too and it ccs less than a half/full void shot

[lethal lagoon]

That said, the lack of brainpower needed to operate surge does give you more room to be a better player in general.

So you feel pretty nice using surge

[languid osprey]

I feel better equiped with void, maybe is preference

[viscid matrix]

should stop comparing it to void, its still broken op even with the damage nerf

[plucky token]

Leave surge staff alone. It's just bugged right now.

[brave fiber]

I don’t think void is op currently, just strong. The nerf hit it hard

[lethal lagoon]

We are dicussing buffs?

What do you mean leave it alone?

[languid osprey]

Thats a way to see it

[orchid nest]

I haven't seen anyone saying surge needs to be nerfed, just bug fixed and then buffed

[viscid matrix]

it used to 1 tap everything except monstrocities, now it 2 hits crushers and 1 hits the rest

[lethal lagoon]

My argument is that the buff should be way smaller than the current EP, like 40-50%

Some said it's balanced at current damage, that's all

[languid osprey]

Im trying to make it work but i feel worst than with lasgun/void/trauma

[orchid nest]

yeah I agree it needs to be way smaller than current EP bug too

[languid osprey]

With or without bug

[brave fiber]

Well you need very specific blessings for it to do that much, but I do agree it is a cut above the rest

[viscid matrix]

i think Surge staff is balanced without EP, and the other staves should be brought in line with it, either up to its power for Purga, or brought down for void

[olive ember]

Surge without any buffs is weak as shit

[untold vault]

Surge even with EP isnt that good on maelstrom

[viscid matrix]

it crits for 1200 damage without damage buffs from talent tree

[untold vault]

It doesnt delete fast enough

[languid osprey]

I think the problem is the cc from void

Like yeah 2 shot you could hit 9 if you want because u topple everything

[viscid matrix]

dont need any blessings, and its still op, that stagger is powerful

[lethal lagoon]

I disagree, non-bugged surge one taps all non-elites with an instant left click during the charge. Kills most normal elites with a full charge depending your build. It can CC. It just lacks more high end damage.

[untold vault]

Void causes crushers and etc to just eat the floor giving you more time. Surge only "cc's" 2 enemies now

Even muties take ages to stun

[olive ember]

Yeah so 3 charges to kill a crusher

Unless you jump through 5 different hoops and get lucky

Aka pretty bad

[viscid matrix]

that is a balanced ammount

[lethal lagoon]

3 fast charges you don't even need to aim 🤷‍♂️

[olive ember]

That is not balanced lmao

That is mid

[viscid matrix]

its 1s per full charge, so 3 seconds to murder a crusher is decent

[languid osprey]

Aiming with void is easy

[untold vault]

Btw what is the new unlimited smite build?

"unlimited"

[olive ember]

There is no build the bug got removed

[brave fiber]

Also can we talk about how surge fucks up your peril beyond belief like what

[languid osprey]

Ñe

[olive ember]

If you want to spam smite the most just run warp charges

[viscid matrix]

how so?

[untold vault]

I saw some psyker running around with it in maelstrom earlier

[olive ember]

And run shriek

[orchid nest]

monstrosity damage needs to be buffed though on it too. not sure why it's so low on it for the supposed single targetish staff. like does it have a separate nerfed modifier for monstrosities or what? it does less than other unyielding on them. like 500 damage maybe without the bug

[brave fiber]

It just generates so much peril I feel compared to other staffs

[untold vault]

I can guarantee it wasnt surge because he was able to stun everything constantly

[lethal lagoon]

I mean you can shriek to extend the smite length, but there's no unlimited.

[untold vault]

I mean it was practically unlimited

He got it going for like 20 seconds per encounter

[olive ember]

Run warp charges to cope

[lethal lagoon]

Surge with bug finally feels like normal monster damage, there's a change to keep.

[viscid matrix]

guess i never noticed it

but then again i sit at 100% constantly, and just tap quell between secondaries so i can keep going

Edging your peril is the best way to play

[orchid nest]

yeah true

[olive ember]

Because surge staff is 10/10 you need 3 charges and 80 peril by default to kill a crusher much useful

[brave fiber]

this man is a psyker irl

Literally clinically insane

[lyric burrow]

100% peril is the way

Or 80ish

[lethal lagoon]

Now wait a minute, does he edge while having shriek aviable? There's the actual question

That's just normal gameplay. If he doesn't, then we can give him clinically insane.

[viscid matrix]

warp nexus gives max crit chance at 80% or higher, the peril scaling buffs on the talent tree also give max buffs around that part

staying at 80 - 100 constantly is def worth it

[viscid matrix]

i dont use shriek, i have dome

[lyric burrow]

Twin shields for me

[viscid matrix]

Shriek is for the weak or the burn builds

[brave fiber]

I understand keeping it at like 70-80 but edging an incoming brain explosion is a bit much for me lmao

[languid osprey]

I edge my gun psyker and forget on the worst possible moment only to throw one assail

[viscid matrix]

i want to hear the demons, they might be great conversation

it might be mother

[plucky token]

holy based

[olive ember]

Mfw when more damage is weak and hiding behind shield is strong

[brave fiber]

my beloved

[olive ember]

Truly 1984 moment

[viscid matrix]

its great for burn builds dont get me wrong 😄 i just would rather have a shield

[brave fiber]

If my brain explodes it is because I am a weak willed psyker not because I didn’t take shriek

[olive ember]

Weak imagine needing to hide behind shield

[full bane]

Oh how my precious little boy has grown, I’m so proud

[olive ember]

Simply press F knock ‘em over

And run them down

[viscid matrix]

weak in body is different to weak in mind

[languid osprey]

MID no sprint efficiency go eat a pox burster

[olive ember]

Weak in mind as well because you aren’t brave enough to run shooters down smh

[viscid matrix]

i have a shield, i can drop it ahead of me, so i can run into melee safely

[brave fiber]

why else would I have 3 gunner resistance perks on my curios

[olive ember]

Why shield when you can slide

Kekw

[languid osprey]

Play like a cover shooter duh

[viscid matrix]

dome lets me kill beast of nurgle and not worry about it vomiting on me

if it cant vomit on me, it cant put me in its belly for a full body hug

[brave fiber]

ok I can’t tell at this point does dome block sniper fire

[olive ember]

It should

[orchid nest]

they won't try to shoot you inside of it. the confusion surrounding it comes from the graphic of dome fading after it's already gone. which seems to be better this patch

[lyric burrow]

Yeah itll block sniper fire

Any projectile should be blocked

[orchid nest]

yeah. them not even attempting to shoot you should be noted too though because I see a lot of people drop it before a sniper has even been located

and then they stop trying and don't even shine the laser

leading to them not even being discovered until after the dome is gone anyways

or a team mate steps outside the dome and becomes the sole person focused by them

[olive ember]

Why dome when you can have 2

[orchid nest]

I do love the walls. I'll take dome when I want to greed a point. not because the toughness thing isn't good, but because 1 point towards the walls isn't worth it comparatively

[viscid matrix]

i explained why i prefer dome 10 mintues ago

[orchid nest]

yeah it is great for beasts too

although you can get some value against beasts with walls too but it's a lot harder

so correction cause I wanted to test it, they do shine the laser at the dome it's just really hard to see because it stops

[copper torrent]

Is it 80 when you start the cast or release?

[viscid matrix]

i believe its start charging, but it might be as you activate the secondary on the enemy

[thorn tapir]

yea, massively increased ordo dockets

they can be really really fun 🙂

[olive ember]

Release

Pretty sure

[long wharf]

Auric missions should give massive amounts of mats as well

[fresh reef]

should give double, at least

[long wharf]

Like 1500 plasteel, base

[fresh reef]

1 auric = 1 fully upgraded weapon

[viscid matrix]

if only

1 auric = 1/2 of a fully upgraded weapon

[fresh reef]

though with the teams you get in pubs it may as well be 10:1 even with plasteel buffs like that

[plucky flax]

Be the change you want to see. Pick up those plasteels.

[young meteor]

Can someone help me? I'm not sure which one is better to graft the level 4 blessing onto the other ...

[untold vault]

First one

Put warp nexus IV on terrifying barrage

Surge is too easy on maelstrom ||I still managed to explode twice||.

Pretty sure my staff is gimped damage wise too

This was when dmg didnt matter on surge before they changed that

[lethal lagoon]

I mean with the EP bug it doesn't really matter now either.

I wonder if they'll hotfix it or just plug their ears till next big patch.

It might even be better that way atm

[untold vault]

I think they'll hotfix this along with nerfing plasma cleave

Wouldnt say it's the most broken combo but it's up there for very low effort

[river sand]

funny thing is with the bug surges taff is finally ok, not super great but also not a burden for the team

[lethal lagoon]

You can literally solo maels with the surge bug, I don't get why people think it's "not that bad" haha.

But yes, surge needed a damage buff, probably on the lower end though

[untold vault]

The hardest part of using surge on maelstrom is to not explode

Because there are too many enemies

[lethal lagoon]

Two of my teammates died to DH on a mael and it wasn't even noticeable.

[river sand]

you need 2 full charges for a crusher, same with voidstrike btw. but surge just hits 1.5 enemies

[untold vault]

I think voidstrike is still pretty good

[willow hazel]

Nah. The surge staff was balanced in patch 13. It is giga broken right now

[river sand]

voidstrike now feels good and fair. if surge buff gets fixed it should have its damage at least doubled

[young meteor]

Mind explaining why? faster quell speed kinda seems like a big deal, and I can put +crit instead of +elite on second staff. Plus I've seen from psyker atheneum there's not really a point to going above 76% burn

[river sand]

surge couldnt kill a crusher without venting between casts

[untold vault]

Quelling is not really an issue on psyker

[young meteor]

and thanks also

[untold vault]

Especially with

[willow hazel]

Surge would 3 shot Crushers last patch. It can cast 3 times without quelling.

[young meteor]

Yeah true many thanks

[lethal lagoon]

I have 47% warp resist on my surge and it could still kill a crusher in one go last patch, I'm not too sure what you mean.

[untold vault]

You spread flames everywhere with purgatus

And you have high warp resistance

[ripe yacht]

Not in damnation+ though.

[untold vault]

Poxwalkers dying en masse already gives you plenty of random quelling

[lethal lagoon]

I was talking about auric mael

[ripe yacht]

Really? Hmm.

Haven't felt that at all.

[lethal lagoon]

I think it's safe to assume anyone in discord is discussing auric t5 at minimum

[untold vault]

I think it's soloable with surge

[ripe yacht]

Fair enough.

[lethal lagoon]

I'm a surge lover, I'm convinced there's no skill involved in surge usage, but maybe there is.

[plucky flax]

No I play in sedition.

[lethal lagoon]

🤷‍♂️

[untold vault]

Just gotta be safe

And not explode

:^)

[analog agate]

There is no skill. Point in the general direction and something dies

atm that is

[untold vault]

Yeah

[lethal lagoon]

That's my assumption, but given so many people think the bug on surge isn't that big of a deal, I dunno.

[ripe yacht]

Sure… but only one, unless you're hitting adds.

[plucky flax]

Assail revolver still exists so

[lethal lagoon]

With the bug, the second chain does decent damage, and the third stuns and tickles, but still stuns.

[analog agate]

Even assail you kinda have to wiggle your crosshair around haha. Dont have to do that with surge

[ripe yacht]

And I don't think you're popping maulers, bulwarks, reapers, crushers either.

[untold vault]

It's fast enough

[ripe yacht]

It is fast. I'll give you that.

[untold vault]

You gotta have some room to dodge behind you though

[lethal lagoon]

Proper target selection, second chain will kill elites all the time.

[willow hazel]

This game was 95% surge and 5% melee. If you half all the numbers surge is balanced

[untold vault]

You're not gonna delete large packs fast enough

How long did this take?

200+ melee elites?

[lethal lagoon]

Yep, overkill beating the second highest damage is pretty standard lmao.

It's a melee mael looks like

tbf surge was always good at melee mael

[untold vault]

My maelstroms dont get that many kills

[willow hazel]

Not too quick but it wasn't 45 minutes at least

[lethal lagoon]

Melee maels are such a cool concept, too bad they are shit atm if you roll a surge psyker in your group too easy lmao.

[untold vault]

Spawn director going ham I guess

[thorn cedar]

Current Surge bug makes me sad

[lyric burrow]

Melee maelstrom can take a very long time so id believe that

[untold vault]

Melee maelstroms suck when vet is not there unless you are called psyker

[lethal lagoon]

I did one melee mael with the bugged surge and I felt so dirty afterwards.

[willow hazel]

Surge was my favorive staff patch 13, but it just feels bad to use it now with the bug

[plucky flax]

The plasteels lul

[cold oasis]

There's a new surge bug?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah surge bug is a little overkill

[thorn cedar]

I REALLY want to use it since you now gib targets when it kills which is so fucking satisfying

[lyric burrow]

Although if you dont take ep its just old surge

[lethal lagoon]

I literally had a smite surge build ready for the patch. I was so confused by the damage lmao. Back to waiting for yet another patch to run smite surge lmao

[thorn cedar]

But I abhor the bug and I hate playing with Psykers that use it.

[cold oasis]

And the bug is?

[thorn cedar]

I ain't proliferating it.

[lethal folio]

things that apply to smite also apply to surge.

[willow hazel]

EP gives +125% damage to surge withouut consuming stacks

[untold vault]

My Surge abuse build

[dark kiln]

Surge abuse?

[untold vault]

You can quite literally run into a pack of 5 scab gunners

And face tank em

[analog agate]

Surge has double dmg right now with EP

[lethal lagoon]

I'm all for spreading the bug so fatshark has to fix it asap

That's why I keep mentioning it

[untold vault]

Due to the toughness regen

[analog agate]

making it one shot everything besides crushers/maulers/bulwarks

[thorn cedar]

This would be so easy to hotfix but I assume Microsoft Certification holds back these quick adjustments now.

[untold vault]

From just spamming surge

Nah

[dark kiln]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[untold vault]

Even without microsoft holding em back patches took a while

[dark kiln]

Wait surge staff gets affected by Emporewered psiconics?

lol

[untold vault]

Yes

To keep spamming you just press venting shriek

That thing goes off cd real fast

Seers presence + Psykinectic aura for extra cdr

[dark kiln]

Oh I see it

[cold oasis]

ahahaha really? what the fuck

[dark kiln]

looooool

I was wondering why my staff was melting everything lmao

also the primary fire is like mega cracked up on speed

[queen fog]

Try quell canceling with it

Machine gun warp balls

[lethal lagoon]

You can still animation cancel the new primary fire change?

That's hilarious

[dark kiln]

how do you do that? :O

[queen fog]

Fire, tap quell, fire again

Repeat

It’ll take a bit for u to get down the timing but it’s possible

[lethal lagoon]

You are talking about this patch right?

[queen fog]

Duh

Played yesterday

[untold vault]

I was confused because I thought that they nerfed the primary fire

to be slower

[lethal lagoon]

The opposite

[untold vault]

But I feel like it goes just as fast

[proven stirrup]

Yeah I realized you didn't NEED to machine gun cancel to fire that fast

[dark kiln]

oh damnnn

[untold vault]

If not faster

[proven stirrup]

They buffed the shit out of it

That primary bolt can just baseline put in work now

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah you are confused, the buffed it completely. The current normal left click is like the old animation canceling left click.

[dark kiln]

Yeah and void feels mega slow

Btw who can I ask for an opinion on a force sword?

or I can just post it here?

[lethal lagoon]

Post it someone will answer

[dark kiln]

Are the stats good?

[cold oasis]

nah

you honstly don't want any of that

Unless you want a weird scrier gaze melee weapon

[dark kiln]

it's what I got from upgrading it xD, I meant the %

not the blessings

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, stats are good.

[dark kiln]

Nice

[analog agate]

Just had to quit a game with a vet who bound their spot to fire button. There have been a lot of people doing that. Must be some stupid youtuber popularizing it again. SO ANNOYING

[bleak tulip]

but guys the visibility

dont mind that I literally disable your ability to hear anything

[analog agate]

or see. strobe red. evyerwhere

[bleak tulip]

but did you know this vet had 4 ragers in front of him? its crital for you to know

[humble bolt]

Hey man at least they're spotting that's more than 90% of players

[lethal lagoon]

When people call out "2 ragers next to me" in voice chat. Like bro, what's your goal here?

They are going to be dead by the time you finish talking.

Marking trappers though, I love you guys who do that.

[idle marten]

Does go off if anyone kills specials or Elites or just when I kill them?

[bleak tulip]

you

[idle marten]

just me? ok it just read a little weird in myhead so

[plucky flax]

Don't tag the mutie/dog/trapper. Surprise for teammate.

[gaunt stone]

When my friends yell at me for not tagging this is what I tell them.

Then I tell them they should just be more aware and get good.

[plucky flax]

[gaunt stone]

Damn serfi imagine deleting your msg

[valid talon]

Im a bad psyker

[loud spear]

Any tips on what I should do for a fire trauma staff setup? I know the blessings but I’m not sure on perks and play style when I try it out

[plucky flax]

I have a vid for inspiration if you want. I like crit chance and flak for perks.
https://youtu.be/qP0kFOiV6ag

[loud spear]

Appreciated thank you

[languid osprey]

columnus mk v blessings? been thinking about trying it instead of my lasgun

[vestal fulcrum]

send help siblings

very stressful a run

[dark kiln]

this is good?

[bleak tulip]

not awful, not great

quell speed is pretty low on the totem pole methinks

[plucky flax]

Wait ping monitor works?

[bleak tulip]

yeah?

has it ever stopped working?

[plucky flax]

I thought it broke with patch 13.

I saw the announcement post in mod discord.

[frigid sparrow]

It's a bit odd. I can be clearly lagging and look at it and see normal values

[plucky flax]

So I removed it.

[frigid sparrow]

It's like a long delay on it

[plucky flax]

I will re add.

[stuck bridge]

siblings

https://i.imgur.com/2kfWfRN.jpeg
left or right

[smoky linden]

Angry German Psyker and Dreamer bickering really reminds me of talking 40k with my best buddy in high school

[stuck bridge]

i can swap barrage for flurry 4

the stats arent too different, i lose 10 damage on my secondary

8% damage swapped to flak of course

[fierce crest]

https://vxtwitter.com/FlorkOfCows/status/1717531204910514404?s=20

post memes in psyker chat cuz only yall deserve them

[frigid sparrow]

Idk what dmg perk I want

I noticed I kept trying to use surge on mutties and it took a hot minute to kill em

Carapace too

[ebon jolt]

Crit chance is great. Otherwise carapace damage.

[frigid sparrow]

Meh, I had it on crit chance but it's a tad overkill sometimes

[ebon jolt]

Nice staff.

[frigid sparrow]

I made it last night, took a lot of fishing to find that nexus man

[fierce crest]

is the bars maxing at 80 from the new patch or is that a mod

[loud lichen]

Melee weapon for muties

[frigid sparrow]

Surge has a weird pool,. I kept getting T3 flurry on every single staff

Mod, I like the look better

[fierce crest]

yea same

[steel flame]

I mean it only has 4 blessings Total

[frigid sparrow]

I also got this last night

[steel flame]

Only 3 t4

[frigid sparrow]

Purge is fun stuff, but I don't seem to understand by I don't get an increase of soul charges with charge on soul blaze perk

It's like, really difficult to get the charges going sometimes. It's so much easier with charge on kill

1k+ crits a match is fun tho

[bleak tulip]

I think mathematically its not super worth to take charge on blaze

[fierce crest]

yeah the fire kill perk got nerfed hard in the rework

[bleak tulip]

since even with purg probably only 60% of your kills are soulblaze?

[fierce crest]

always take the 4% imo

[fierce crest]

its 10% of your kills from burning, vs 4% of everyones kills

its not even close

[bleak tulip]

pretty much

[fierce crest]

even with purg, lots of kills from direct damage, melee, blitz etc

[frigid sparrow]

I tried leaning into the crit side of things hard. The idea was to put LOTS of stacks in the center and hope that they spread quickly, but eh

[acoustic osprey]

i wish it would be just as long as they with the DoT, not from the DoT

[bleak tulip]

wildfire is incidentally also not great tbh

[fierce crest]

thats how it used to be

[frigid sparrow]

Supposedly it was

[acoustic osprey]

oh i guess i never paid attention

[frigid sparrow]

Wildfire needs to be like 5 stacks or something

[bleak tulip]

because again, even if youre full purging all over them a bunch of your kills are from direct damage

[frigid sparrow]

and charge on kill with someone with the dot

[wise ruin]

i can still change 1 perk not sure which one and to what any ideas?

[bleak tulip]

also I dont recall but I think wildfire doesnt stack past your staff limit? perilous does but I wanna say I read someone say wildfire doesnt

which is real dumb if true

[brave fiber]

Unyielding to crit chance

[spice veldt]

wildfire doesn't stack past 4

[bleak tulip]

yeah but does it stack over your staff limit

[spice veldt]

no

it stacks up to 4

as in, if an enemy has 4 Soulblaze stacks or more already, wildfire doesn't add any more stacks

[bleak tulip]

righto

[wise ruin]

aight thanks

[bleak tulip]

yeah nah that shit sucks

[spice veldt]

peepee poopoo

[bleak tulip]

I can even see how this happened

perilous says it adds 3

so it just does

wildfire says it has a limit

[frigid sparrow]

If you're running purge, you might as well just say no to wildfire

[bleak tulip]

so it only goes to 4

[frigid sparrow]

You don't need the extra stacks

[bleak tulip]

peepee poopoo

[frigid sparrow]

You ARE the stacks

[steel flame]

Well I tried devil claw

It was not a fun experience

[spice veldt]

did u get overheaded

[steel flame]

I wish

[bleak tulip]

no head

[spice veldt]

there weren't as many opportunities as I wished for me to parry

[spice veldt]

and if you had stagger on your team of some sort, you would just say goodbye to parrying

[loud lichen]

Really need to let fire stack higher to get killing blows.... hehehehehe

[vestal fulcrum]

It would seem so. Is it not working for you?

[spare light]

Brunt fucking hates me

[bleak tulip]

fines

[smoky linden]

"it came to me in a dream" is a valid source for arguments here, right?

[plucky flax]

I'll turn it back on. Hope I won't blow up.

[vestal fulcrum]

I didn't. Yet.

[brave fiber]

As long as you cite it

[spare light]

BRUNT IS A BITCH CHANGE MY MIND

[ebon jolt]

My friend used it on the assassin mission boss the other day. Found it pretty hilarious that worked.

[spice veldt]

the dclaw was nice for when a teammate closed the door on me and I had to stay in a corner with the plogryn smacking on me because there was a horde preventing me from leaving it

[dim parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/anger-angry-break-gif-19098093

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone willing to help a fellow psyker out with the Malleus Monstronum Penance?

[steel flame]

Might work better for a staff build but it's not good enough to warrant making a carapace sized hole in my damage

[spare light]

I'm on EU, but wouldn't mind helping you out, you'll need 2 others though

[spice veldt]

i simply sit around depressed

as 10 crushers descend upon my team

[spare light]

I'm surprised they don't descend upon your cheeks

[spice veldt]

if you were a god gamer, you would've run a revolver with handcannon and katana sliced them with a crit parry

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/n0yowa

this is the least entertaining way to solo a plogryn

but uh

it does it

(this was a grey dclaw)

[spice veldt]

pro gaming

[ornate hamlet]

Anyone else willing to help?

[bleak tulip]

thats what you get for deliberately picking the least inspired melee weapon

[spice veldt]

yeah stick to ur basic ass non-parrying weapons

i'll cut u

[bleak tulip]

I will

[bleak tulip]

not with that slab you dont

[deft osprey]

What's the best force sword currently?

[bleak tulip]

illisi or deimos

still

[analog agate]

illisi for horde. deimos for single

both are very good

[bleak tulip]

deimos tbh because lmao meleeing hordes who are we, vets?

[analog agate]

assail assail assail

[bleak tulip]

I mean thats not what I meant

but sure

my ass ails enough already

[dim parrot]

bless u

[ornate hamlet]

I think i found us a ogryn willing to help. Im in strike team 23 if you want voice

[spare light]

I'm unable to go on voice, but should be fine 😉

[ornate hamlet]

Mind DMing me your ingame name?

[copper torrent]

Are you still using the build you posted earlier?

[willow hazel]

That would be the build to use if you wanted to be as OP as possible

[bleak tulip]

surge void, ass ail

and mk4 duel

alternatively abuse the smite bug I guess I think thats still a thing

[copper torrent]

Yeah, just checking what you are using for that last board.

[willow hazel]

yeah it was that

[bleak tulip]

I swear im developing late onset dyslexia I thought I was answering a question

last braincell lost to assail

[plucky token]

infinite smite? nah they fixed it

[bleak tulip]

oh good

[plucky token]

im struggling to find a smite build I like now. Peril generation is so high on it

maybe warp charges...

maybe ill just go back to assail for now

[bleak tulip]

[vale holly]

damn, im hot. Love me. 1375k damage

[near wyvern]

Use this but swap the kinetic presence aura into cdr aura now

[plucky token]

I assume this is a purgatus build?

[near wyvern]

Jesus. Which build?

[magic vessel]

this build is a ton of fun

also probably the warp charge surge staff abuse?

[wind wadi]

Perks for zappy staff?

[vale holly]

Nomanus staff, Smite and +135% damage from Empowered Psionics

[plucky token]

I think the Surge staff bug is with EP

not warp charge

[bleak tulip]

and melee maelstrom I suspect

number go up

[near wyvern]

No, use surge staff. The horde combo is smite to 85+ peril, ult and keep smiting. If you hit 100 before battle meditation kicks in, quell to 50 and smite again. If you ulted correctly you will have your ult ready and all but crushers dead by the time you hit 100 peril again with smite.

[magic vessel]

yeah that's what I meant but you are correct, i always get them mixed up name wise

[near wyvern]

Dear god that bug hits like a truck

[magic vessel]

yeah i was in the psykanium and that shit is absolutely nutty

[vale holly]

Yeah, this is bug, but hits like a truck))))

[plucky token]

Ah. And the In Fire Reborn perk to gain warp charges works fine enough with just Fire Venting?

or is psychic vampire better?

[near wyvern]

Yes, that plus perilous combustion & wildfire will get you covered as long as you paint sufficient targets. If you fuck up the ult the surge is such a good elite killer it's easy to get back with it.

[plucky token]

true true

ok ill give it a shot thanks

[near wyvern]

Remember you can't blow up using smite so you can just keep holding it and believe in emperor giving you battle meditation procs

[plucky token]

wait you cant?

[wind wadi]

Purg builds don't take Hellfire - caps your stacks at 4

[near wyvern]

No, smite will auto vent once you hit 100

[plucky token]

https://tenor.com/view/themoreyouknow-more-know-gif-4483207

[near wyvern]

Surge staff will blow you up tho so be sure to know what you are zapping with

[bleak tulip]

I dont think thats how that works

it just doesnt add more wildfire stacks

[near wyvern]

It's such a cheap talent to get that if you are on the left side of the tree you take it

But if you took assail then obviously you don't cry over it

[wind wadi]

You is right. Oggryn brain moment

[ebon jolt]

If you cast your primary or secondary (not charge) at critical peril or above (97+) you blow up.

Auto vent only kicks in if you’re already channeling the blitz and you hit 100.

So be aware if you’re spamming the blitz too fast or using it in combination with a staff a high peril.

[lethal lagoon]

That's only for Brain burst

You can cast any staff or blitz at 99

By cast, I mean release, not charge.

[wind wadi]

What's the EP surge bug?

[lethal lagoon]

If you have a stack of empwoered, surge staff does 125% damage.

Spread it around, get fatshark to fix it asap lmao

This bug has been around since the october 3rd patch.

It just actually matters now

[wind wadi]

Without consuming the stack?

[supple ember]

Did fatshark just remove infinite dodge feature from the power swords?

[lethal lagoon]

Does not use the stack, no

Expect to do your entire team's combined damage

melee maelstrom you can basically solo lmao

Also, be nice, don't use it more than once or twice, it's not fun for others.

[wind wadi]

Capped to 5 on *force swords

[supple ember]

That's unfortunate

[spice veldt]

they stole our sneakers and replaced them with boots

[lethal lagoon]

force sword got a minor buff as compensation

Let's be real unlimited dodges was weird lmao

It made more sense when we only had obscruous which was mid-tier

But not with Illy and deimos

[supple ember]

Def was but nevertheless im kinda sad they did it

[deft osprey]

Oh, no wonder I've seen so many psyker on my team suddenly using the surge staff

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I just leave if I see a surge staff, it's just boring atm.

Thankfully? Some pub psykers seem bad enough that the OP surge doesn't even matter, but it's still annoying.

[wind wadi]

They also doubled the damage in recent patch

[lethal lagoon]

I mean they didn't do it on purpose obviously.

[analog agate]

Im running surge cause easier to carry all the new 30-40s

doing damn aurics

[lethal lagoon]

🤷‍♂️ Might as well just play normal t5s instead of doing that honestly, but to each his own.

[deft osprey]

I was using surge staff myself, but I dunno about the bug, and I'm seeing other surge staff user just melting everything while I have to charge several shots to kill any big guys

I was confused af how did they do so much damage

[viscid matrix]

Surge secondary is probably still called smite in the coding, and EP specifies smite as getting the boost

[fierce crest]

tested, untrue. it give 4 stacks capped at the dying enemies current stacks

so an 8 stack enemy will give 4 stacks, up to 8 stacks

[spice veldt]

:o

wildfire good?

[fierce crest]

not bad

lets you focus the big boys

and shred the small boys too

[bleak tulip]

so it just adds up to 4? still being only on soulblaze kill seems pretty mid

also being behind BB and smite

[spice veldt]

just testing with a plogryn and a poxwalker, I don't get those results

[bleak tulip]

getting hopes up

[fierce crest]

wuh

[bleak tulip]

you sure that's not just perilous getting applied or something

guess it wouldnt be 6

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/kvqno8

[exotic bridge]

dump stat on trauma?

[velvet spear]

shoutout to all the surge staff bois who've been usin them since day 1

[exotic bridge]

what build would you recommend for trauma staff?

[fierce crest]

ok now im not even getting 4 stacks

what is happening

[still hearth]

No

[plucky flax]

Blaze trauma.

[spice veldt]

charge rate and blast radius are the priority; pick your poison among damage, warp res, and quell speed as the dump stat

cuz we still argue about whether to dump damage/warp res/quell speed to this day

[viscid matrix]

most of us were using warp charges or DD with it 😄 not realising that EP would boost it

[fierce crest]

killed 2 things with 10+ stacks, nearby guy got 3

nvm game sucks wilkdfire is a bait

[exotic bridge]

So this is workable i guess

[spice veldt]

probably; i don't know the breakpoints on warp res but as long as you can get a full charge off from 100% when quelling two ticks

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/aaaa-gif-25651926

[fierce crest]

idk

retested with minimal talents

[spice veldt]

if we poke at it enough, maybe it'll become good

[bleak tulip]

peepee poopoo after all

[viscid matrix]

wildfire is bonus soulburn spreading to everything, doesnt matter if its not a large ammount, it will still remove the trash quickly

[fierce crest]

kill a guy with 14 stacks, gives 1 stack to nearby

[spice veldt]

yeah, wildfire distributes the soulblaze stacks evenly among enemies if it can

so it'll just give 1 stack to 4 enemies

[viscid matrix]

i will laugh if they gave it a range falloff and only enemies in melee range get 4 stacks

[bleak tulip]

hilarious

[spice veldt]

there's a bunch of unlisted behavior that it has

too bad that purgatus is a staff

so they can't really do that much with soulblaze anyways

gib psyker another soul-something DoT

[bleak tulip]

make purh a blitz instead

[viscid matrix]

they could, but that would require work that they probably dont want to do

[fierce crest]

sienna had so many fire melees

[spice veldt]

i'd rather they just shoot wildfire dead at this point

[fierce crest]

we get none :(

[viscid matrix]

also i still think they should replace Brain Rupture with Crush, and have a 5 second channel that does 1k damage per second to the target as it slowly crushes them

[bleak tulip]

wow it's like last year all over again

[viscid matrix]

😄

[bleak tulip]

guys what if BB did something

[fierce crest]

no other enemies got stacks

[royal granite]

it's fine, bb is fine

[spice veldt]

wtf

what is this crap

[bleak tulip]

wow it's worse

[lyric burrow]

Good for playing on hard mode

[fierce crest]

better view angle

ive been baiting myself since the patch

[viscid matrix]

hmm i guess i might as well drop that node if this is what its doing, the elite/special kill for 4 stacks will have to be good enough

[lyric burrow]

How did they buff BR and nerf it harder than assail and void

[fierce crest]

:)

4

[still hearth]

So we're all realizing Wildfire is bad again?

[royal granite]

still a weird nerf

[viscid matrix]

its not doing what its supposed to be doing, or at least what we thought it was supposed ot do

[fierce crest]

well it woulnt be bad if it did what it said

[still hearth]

I mean I've

Already looked into this many times

[fierce crest]

it used to do what it said

[frigid sparrow]

Soulblaze stacks are secretly why the servers always seem bad, so its made useless so we can stop ddosing their servers on accident

[fierce crest]

and was bad

now it says somethign else

[still hearth]

It never used to do what it said

[spice veldt]

no it was the same as currently

[fierce crest]

but does the same thing

[spice veldt]

it's been the same way since before and quite bad

[still hearth]

Yeah Wildfire has never changed

[fierce crest]

this wasnt the phrasing before

[spice veldt]

but it was also competing with kinetic flayer and warp battery

[fierce crest]

it just said 4

not each gets 4

[spice veldt]

the description was probably different, but it still did the same thing

[fierce crest]

but each doesnt get 4

[supple dock]

I am so glad I checked this channel just now

[fierce crest]

yeah thats what i said

[supple dock]

LMAO

[fierce crest]

they changed the description but not hte function

lul

[still hearth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1zG5mKco9bJwo_/d1337ktWYpKn?invite=cr-MSxzT1IsMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

[spice veldt]

the description back then was also shit

[still hearth]

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xiHBUjZGXuAbH/d1337awEAn2R?invite=cr-MSwydkksMTYwMDY1NDYwLA

Watch

The grand wildfire

Applying zero flames to anything

[fierce crest]

this was a correct description

[frigid sparrow]

So, the way I thought it works that it takes all the stacks from them and sends it to anyone surrounding. Each enemy could get up to 4 stacks, but the distribution was random. 8 stacks could be 8 enemies with 1 stack or 2 enemies with 4 stacks

[bleak tulip]

it's blue light

[fierce crest]

#psyker-class message

[spice veldt]

it's still wrong or at least insanely ambiguous

[bleak tulip]

oh wow I totally forgot it was this bad back then too lmao

[still hearth]

It's still the same thing

[bleak tulip]

I forgot what else was on its tier but it got so auto disqualified I never even bothered to read it

[spice veldt]

like that description is not exactly clear either

[fierce crest]

yeah but it used to say it spread 4 stacks, now it says each enemy gains 4 stacks

which would be good

[still hearth]

up to 4 stacks

Based on

A criteria

We don't know

[spice veldt]

yeah that part is more accurate

but the description is still dogshit

[frigid sparrow]

Cause we can't track how many stacks of soulblaze are on the initial target right?

[spice veldt]

because of the latter sentence

[still hearth]

So it's not each enemy gains 4 stacks

[still hearth]

We can

[spice veldt]

like, you would not know what wildfire does unless you tested it a bunch

[frigid sparrow]

How?

[still hearth]

Debuff mod

[fierce crest]

i shouldnt have tested it

[still hearth]

You can see the number of soulblaze on any enemy if you want

[fierce crest]

blissful ignorance

[spice veldt]

rip depression bozo

[still hearth]

It helps to get more flame stacks

If you aren't running purgatus

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/kvqno8 blue number indicates the # of soulblaze stacks

debuff indicator mod babeeeeee

[still hearth]

My favorite is still the wildfire coming from corpses

The interaction is so funky

[fierce crest]

tohoe music

[spice veldt]

what did u just call me

[fierce crest]

BRO

what is happening

[bleak tulip]

stop poking

you can't handle the truth

[fierce crest]

the truth is dumb

[bleak tulip]

it's spaghetti all the way down

[fierce crest]

moudly weevil infested spaghetti

[supple dock]

Auric/Maelstrom missions have huge groups of specials though

[frigid sparrow]

So, how do we make purgatus the best it can be

[supple dock]

I could see wildfire not being... horrible

[fierce crest]

well, free cooldowns in my purg build now

[still hearth]

Wildfire is

Perilous Combustion is great

So why run Wildfire

[spice veldt]

i think you're confusing perilous combustion with wildfire

[bleak tulip]

that's why you take perilous, not wildfire

[supple dock]

hm. fair enough

[frigid sparrow]

What if

[fierce crest]

wildfire could be not trash if it actually got updated like they said

[frigid sparrow]

We run

[fierce crest]

maybe

[supple dock]

OH

I am confusing it

[frigid sparrow]

full crit + destiny for crit damage

[supple dock]

Thanks for the clearing up

lmao

[still hearth]

Wildfire should just apply half the stacks on a nearby enemy

Lets go

[frigid sparrow]

Stack the damage as high as you can since you crit all the time and its staff damage anyways doing the killin

[spice veldt]

don't worry we're all perilous combustion stans here

[still hearth]

OP talents

Now Purgatus is best staff

[supple dock]

surge 4 lyf

[spice veldt]

just make another soul-something DoT and make that the stuff with talents

[still hearth]

If you're using Surge without the EP bug I will stab you

[spice veldt]

soulrending

[frigid sparrow]

Just clarifying, not saying theorycraft buffs we want. Like, what can we do right now with what we got to make it shine?

[spice veldt]

soulbleeding

soulEDGE

soulcalibur

[supple dock]

Stab me

Get at me

I'm using warp charges

Let's go

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/excel-saga-stabby-stab-stab-fustrated-anime-gif-14178229

[supple dock]

D:

fr though idk the ep bug

[still hearth]

Surge without EP bug is just the worst but

Its okay

You can enjoy your terrible staff

[spice veldt]

british man stabbed in a dark alleyway

[supple dock]

lmaoo

[still hearth]

Just run EP with Surge staff

And you do +125% damage

That's it

[supple dock]

..

[bleak tulip]

Birmingham moment

[supple dock]

That's so lame wtf

[spice veldt]

ikr

[still hearth]

Yeah but the staff sucks

[spice veldt]

we didn't notice it last patch because it was only +30%

[still hearth]

So it needs that

[spice veldt]

but they buffed the damage from EP to 125% on smite

[still hearth]

It's also just like 1 node you need for it

If you never use your blitz

So its free real estate

[bleak tulip]

and now people are pulling a million damage out of melee maelstrom

[fierce crest]

we just need more ways too apply soulblaze

other than this

[supple dock]

Damnge

[still hearth]

Uh

You mean

Purgatus staff

[supple dock]

Blazing spirit would be nice on surge v.v

[still hearth]

Blazing SPirit is only nice on Trauma

Because trauma has a 10m aoe

[spice veldt]

nah

[still hearth]

Wher eonly 2.5 of it does damage

[supple dock]

LOL

[sonic coral]

does executor "+x% power level on repeated weak spot hit" transfer between enemies or no, just singular enemy

[spice veldt]

it's because we have an insanely good soulblaze application method that fatshark can't really do anything with soulblaze

because you can't really do any cool impactful synergies with soulblaze if you can apply 15 stacks to everything around you

[still hearth]

Purgatus could just be a big AoE damage cone tbh

[spice veldt]

because otherwise it'd just be too good

[still hearth]

No need to DoT things

Rn it already is basically that

[fierce crest]

sienna had so many fire melee weapons

[spice veldt]

zealot has bleed stuff and it helps that they don't have a bleed flamethrower (...right?)

[still hearth]

Only ragers and unyielding enemies even take DoT damage atm

[fierce crest]

we have to sacrifice a blessing to get a fire melee

[still hearth]

Bleed shotgun with crit node

[spice veldt]

NOOOOOOOOOOO

go away mankar

[fierce crest]

flechette gun

[still hearth]

Zealot getting to have +30% crit chance to guns is pretty neat

[spice veldt]

why is it global crit chance

[long wharf]

I've been saying that since release

[still hearth]

Why not

It's already the worst node

[spice veldt]

true

[still hearth]

It's carried so hard by the crit CDR

[spice veldt]

crits 😔

[still hearth]

Without CDR it would just be garbo

[spice veldt]

hmm so laspistol would get +30% crit chance

[fierce crest]

i want soulflame flail

[still hearth]

Like 60% crit on laspistol

[spice veldt]

interesting, interesting

[still hearth]

And +50% damage on dodging

[fierce crest]

or soulflame dagger

[still hearth]

It's pretty nice

[sonic coral]

is executor on deimos worth having?

[still hearth]

I will hold back on my bias against Brain Burst

Enjoy it

[supple dock]

deimos alone isn't worth having

You get almost the exact same value out of illisi now lmao

[bleak tulip]

but h2 tho

[sonic coral]

oh, well then

[bleak tulip]

muh h2

[spice veldt]

nah, cuz the stabs deal bonus damage

[supple dock]

well, almost

[spice veldt]

l1 deals 2x damage, and h2 deals 2.5x damage

[supple dock]

The only thing I'd say the deimos has going for it is the l1 yeah

[spice veldt]

probably

i haven't checked the numbers this patch

[supple dock]

And the l2 is great but it's awkward to use with charge

[sonic coral]

just trying to figure out whether to scrap this or not

[spice veldt]

and h2

[supple dock]

yee

[spice veldt]

there is almost no good reason to use the special on the deimos

[echo turtle]

They do tho

[fierce crest]

so how did this get stealth nerfed?

[supple dock]

that's the conclusion I came to as well

So I decided fuck it go illisi because it's pretty much the same value with a lot more cleave

[fierce crest]

its not even close to the same value

but yes

[spice veldt]

deimos and illisi have pretty different roles

if you're looking for some hordeclear, then illisi is for you yeah

[echo turtle]

I'm pretty sure there's better horde clear options tho

[velvet spear]

illisi just feels good

[bleak tulip]

Deimos is a mutie stabber, illisi the redheaded stepchild that's for horde clear in a horde clear economy

[spice veldt]

illisi was gr8 last patch because it hit basically similar breakpoints, but we are in an era of 2.4k hp ragers and whatnot currently

[gaunt stone]

opinions on best way to build trauma?

[echo turtle]

I felt that way until I got used to the diemos. That mobility is hard to say no to.

The illisi charge is great, but I find I can't really be spamming charges when it's getting hairy

[bleak tulip]

fire

[gaunt stone]

Warp chage path or empowered psy

[echo turtle]

If running shield I recommend charges

[supple dock]

The damage and cleave buff makes both swords pretty awesome at light spamming hordeclear

[fierce crest]

armor strip

[bleak tulip]

I don't really respect EP

[spice veldt]

i cri everytime i hear somebody mention lightspam on the illisi

[echo turtle]

Yeah, which is what pushed me to dei is, horde clear is comparable but you have the stabs and way more mobility

[spice veldt]

just use the deimos if you're not going to spam the special

[supple dock]

If you're surrounded, I mean

[spice veldt]

dooooooooooooooooodge

[bleak tulip]

shits goofy and is meant to only really buff blitzes, which are the most boring part of the class

[supple dock]

I DO DODGE

[spice veldt]

you don't have infinite dodges anymore, but dodges are much more lenient than you think they are

[supple dock]

I PLAY AURIC MAELSTROM

D:

[spice veldt]

just spam sideways dodges

don't ever dodge backwards if you can help it

[echo turtle]

You have to stop to get the charge, it's often not great

[spice veldt]

yeah but that is basically a non-issue as long as you have dodges up

[echo turtle]

I find it awkward

[spice veldt]

you don't ever want to dodge backwards because you might proc running attacks

[bleak tulip]

it's awkward all right but it's also pretty safe

[fresh reef]

EP surge might be a little overpowered
Please hotfix fatshark

[spice veldt]

you want to skim the horde so that they keep doing neutral attacks

[echo turtle]

Thing is, all the time spent charging and doing heavies

[supple dock]

is...is that 1.4m

[echo turtle]

You could kill a similar amount with light spam on a deimos

[bleak tulip]

yeah it's bugged, as mentioned

[fresh reef]

1.4m and 700k overkill

[supple dock]

goddamn

[echo turtle]

Jesus christ

[spice veldt]

i'll go check the numbers this patch some time soon, but heavy-special spam was twice better than light/heavy spam before patch 13

[supple dock]

I actually never considered this

Good to know

[spice veldt]

i kept getting owned by running attacks early in darktide

so i am particularly aware of dodging backwards

like being at 0 toughness and thinking I can dodge but no it's a running attack

[supple dock]

I usually do a thing where I'll swing my sword and dodge backwards at the same time

[candid crest]

to shell milkbucks or not to shell?

[echo turtle]

Interesting, Even with the great horde clear though, I just rate that deimos mobility so highly

[bleak tulip]

nah

[echo turtle]

Biggest problem with the deimos though, is the dueling sword is just a better deimos at this point

[spice veldt]

enemies will also block each other even if this blocking behavior isn't the most consistent, so sideways dodges is love

[supple dock]

finesse low low low

[frigid sparrow]

16 is the max cap for soul blaze?

[echo turtle]

I haven't played with an illisi really leaning into the extra warp damage on kill/crit though, maybe I am missing out

[candid crest]

lol and the normal shop sells this for dockets

[bleak tulip]

cap is 31 I think? something like that

[candid crest]

what should I try to roll here?

[spice veldt]

the limit depends on the application method
purg currently has a cap of 15 stacks with a burn stat of 76% or more

[echo turtle]

Oh snap

[supple dock]

Hmm

How do people feel about precognition/riposte on dueling swords?

[frigid sparrow]

Oh man

[echo turtle]

Riposte is great

[spice veldt]

stuff like Perilous Combustion and Creeping Flames can apply up to 31 stacks

[echo turtle]

No kidding

[spice veldt]

I like them, but I run trauma so things are usually too staggered for me to proc them

[supple dock]

Okay, just making sure I'm not an idiot by running them

[frigid sparrow]

We need more stacks with purge

[spice veldt]

ye riposte lasts 6 seconds and precog gives a hefty bonus

is nice

[echo turtle]

Precog bonus is great but the window imo is too snall

Riposte/, Uncanny is a great sword

[spice veldt]

i see it as mostly a monster maelstrom thing for plogryns and chaos spawns

[supple dock]

Yeah

[spice veldt]

or melee maelstrom if there's no source of stagger

[candid crest]

what about precognition + uncanny strike?

on a dueling sword

[supple dock]

I think you'd wanna run riposte either way because it already has a good crit chance based

[bleak tulip]

shred every day

[echo turtle]

Imo riposte over precog

[echo turtle]

I like shred too

[supple dock]

I don't like shred

If you miss a melee attack you lose all your stacks

[spice veldt]

i run shred cuz trauma

[echo turtle]

Don't miss

[candid crest]

hmm, interesting - the difference between T2 and T4 precog is only 10%. so yeah, not a brick

me likey then, since I am stuck using white 374 for now 😄

[bleak tulip]

I run shred cause funny, we are not the same

[fierce crest]

@spice veldt stealer/combustion still better than warp rider?

[spice veldt]

otherwise, I just run rampage if it's not melee/monster maelstrom

[candid crest]

flak as 2nd perk then?

[spice veldt]

ideally i'd have warp rider as well cuz it's a free +10% damage at 0% peril

prob just take off 6 warp charges

cuz 10% > 8% and it's not conditional

[fierce crest]

need to drop 2 points to get it tho

[spice veldt]

unless you're looking for the cdr

ah right

[fierce crest]

cdr is nice for melee

bubble shield makes axe happy

[echo turtle]

I'm gonna build an illisi and try stacking all the + damage I can on it. Maybe I will come back around on it.

@spice veldt Uncanny/slaughter flakiak or what?

[bleak tulip]

man's out here running antax, what is this, February?

[spice veldt]

i have no idea this patch 😔
a safe bet would probably be carapace unless you have anti-cara on your other slots probably?

[echo turtle]

Aha right? It's still good though, just not the best weapon in the game

[echo turtle]

I'm running void strike atm and Brain rupture

[spice veldt]

so you can go ham with anti horde