psyker-class

[still hearth]

Maybe make it 5% chance on melee or something idgaf

[bleak tulip]

the real brain off moment

[spare light]

@bleak tulip have you tested void since yesterday?

[bleak tulip]

yes

its still stupid

[spare light]

It's not really nerfed is it

[whole oxide]

that would be even more trash than it already is

[still hearth]

The boss DPS tho

[bleak tulip]

I mean that was pretty clear from the numbers

[still hearth]

Nah because Purgatus could use it

[regal musk]

Scale the chance based on rate of fire?
Slower firing weapons have higher chance, while stuff like purgatus with the stream has a lower chance per tick

[whole oxide]

and do what? BB poxwalkers?

[still hearth]

BB everything in a 19m cone

Purgatus hits 3x per second

And idk if it procs off soulblaze

But that would be 4 chances to pop

Every second

[whole oxide]

so you'll just have to fire for 30s to proc on stuff on average

[plucky flax]

[still hearth]

And you hit everything

[vestal fulcrum]

Frankly… I wonder if making Flayer a guaranteed cast every X seconds while also it would apply the old effect of Brain Lacerations be desirable

[still hearth]

So 4x the amount of enemies

[whole oxide]

yeah, but why do you want to BB poxwalkers?

[still hearth]

For fun

[spare light]

Would BB be too strong if it's instant cast with EP?

[whole oxide]

the only things its useful on are bosses

[thin finch]

music to my ear

[still hearth]

I mean right now it doesn't even do anything

It's just wasted 99% of the time

[vestal fulcrum]

OR it would have made BR have its effect extend to neighbouring targets

[regal musk]

Ask Kinetic FLayer, since 90% of BBs it triggers goes to a poxwalker, lol

[sonic coral]

Am I stupid, or is the 4% chance to gain a charge with any kill on your own or allies kills in coherence way better than 10% on blaze kill, even with a full purg build?

[forest iris]

I want to get the Surge Blessing and what I did was buying 154 Voidstrike Staffs from Brunts Armory and upgraded those to blue, but no luck yet. Is there a better way to do this?

[thin finch]

you're not stupid

[whole oxide]

the one usecase it has right now is rapid-firing onto a boss/ogryn, triggering it on trash is pointless. its not very good at that usecase right now, but its the only scenario that would make sense to take it

[vestal fulcrum]

It is a choice

Either you have to kill burning targets or have some of the kills by your friends feed your warp siphon

[whole oxide]

you're quite right, the 4% is significantly better

[still hearth]

10% is way better.

4% never triggers

[regal musk]

Yeah the general problem ive had with KF (since launch) is that any time you WANT to trrigger it, itll trigger from cleave or a shot that punched through the target on something that didnt need a BB.
Or it'll trigger on a poxwalker in a mixed horde and then an Ogryn spawns right after and now its on CD.

[still hearth]

But you could probably play without either

And have max stacks constantly so

[thin finch]

10% of a specific way vs 4% of any way from 4 people

[sonic coral]

Not really, it's more of a numbers question - If you expect to literally play solo somehow then the 10% makes sense I guess

[still hearth]

Most of my team-mates don't kill enough when I'm playing Purgatus

[sonic coral]

And the death from blaze assumes nobody else kills them first either

[still hearth]

I've tried both and 10% works way more reliably for me

And a lot of the time my teamates are off wherever

[thin finch]

if your whole team has forgone horde clearing , yes the 10% is way better , but on average you can expect them to kill chaff

[still hearth]

No

I can't

[earnest ferry]

What's the Consensus of Psyker after the Patch? I was trying out Assail, it was interesting. I understand that the base attack was nerfed but the Aimed attack was boosted? I was typically just tossing a ton of Shards out to hit anything that moved. Does this still work or is this in a tricky spot currently?

[still hearth]

And even then

I have 6 stacks

All the time anyway??

So idk

[tall trout]

expectations are at an all time low ... lets be real

[uneven compass]

I like the 4% then again purgatus staff is probably doing most of the horde clearing kinds hard to tell tbh since you can't see anything while using the staff

[thin finch]

Both works, just one works better/faster than the other

[still hearth]

Yeah the fire one

[sonic coral]

If you're at 6 stacks all the time then sure it doesn't matter for damage, but the tough regen is worth noting

[still hearth]

It really isn't

It used to be

But now we get toughness for blinking

And breathing

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, that still is a choice that has both the good and the bad for the outcome. I’d say if you have a soulblaze source and do the vast majority of killing, 10% might be better, but 4% remains a “decent” choice otherwise

[still hearth]

Unless you deliberately don't take the toughness nodes

I'd run the peril gen side if I didn't want to gen peril to shout constantly anyway

[vestal fulcrum]

If you don’t have a soulblaze source, then just get the 4%

[still hearth]

Because the toughness regen is garbo

[regal musk]

I could have sworn that charge on blaze kill used to just mean the target had to die while affected by a Soulblze

[sonic coral]

Used to

[worn cypress]

barely noticable nerf so spam it as usual. if you wanna, start interleaving rmb every 3-4 lmb

[regal musk]

Is it now an enforced "Soulblaze tick MUST be killing blow"?

[still hearth]

Nah

[sonic coral]

Afaik yes

[still hearth]

You just have to kill it yourself

[summer prairie]

you don't have to

[still hearth]

Ally kills doesn't count afaik?

Oh ok

So yeah just set things on fire

And you get the 10% chance

[sonic coral]

If an ally kill on an enemy merely affected by blaze procs then that's the obviously superior option

[thin finch]

no that is the other perk

[sonic coral]

I would need to be convinced by one of the smart guy analysts in here

[still hearth]

syllogism is one of the smart gun analysts

[upbeat parcel]

which one do you guys prefer, warp charge assail or psionics assail

[vestal fulcrum]

Smart gun analyst

[still hearth]

Psionics Assail is stronger in some ways

Warp Charges is stronger overall

Psionics Assail really fun when 10 ragers are running at you

[thin finch]

According to the Psyker Psychanium

[ebon jolt]

I’m not a smart gun analyst. Just a gun analyst 🤣

[upbeat parcel]

so, psionics for more spam, warp charges for more consistent damage and faster shield?

[feral knoll]

I’m just curious. Do you guys use shield, or vent shriek with Smite more? I’ve tried both and like it. I’m just curious

[upbeat parcel]

I like shield since gunners are scary

[still hearth]

I don't consider smite a core part of my builds

So idk

[ebon jolt]

I think they’re both viable.

[upbeat parcel]

vent shriek can for sure get you out of trouble tho

[thin finch]

Shield because I like having mutie slamming into them

[still hearth]

But I run smite to get peril for shriek

So I guess shriek

[limpid lily]

"I'm going to bash you with this flimsy ass wire stock!"

[feral knoll]

Shriek makes smite more spammable and I like it better. But I’m just curious. It just seems like a preference or, if you know what your team is running. You could swap it out

[limpid lily]

the new charged up bash on headhunter is dope but MAN, that wire stock is flimsy

xD

[worn cypress]

gunker with smite + shriek with ascendant blaze is super fun

I’m having a lot of fun with the flat shield used as a stun tho

[twilit carbon]

how viable is frontline melee psyker in damnation?

[vestal fulcrum]

Like, full melee?

[twilit carbon]

yes, full melee

[worn cypress]

ehhhhh

[vestal fulcrum]

Probably bad

You don’t have the staying power

[worn cypress]

pre-skill tree patch I’ve done it tons with illisi

now probably no longer that great

[sonic coral]

All right side of tree, seer + laspistol + dueling sword + assail is really fun, space zorro

[worn cypress]

purgatus staff is p frontliner melee build if you wanna, and thats very viable

[vestal fulcrum]

Don’t get me wrong, you can kill things, but you are not a mountain like the ogryn or a weaponised faith like the zealot

[whole oxide]

you can't very effectively go 100% melee-only, but you can definitely be effective playing "mostly" melee

[limpid lily]

idk, illisi/unstable power with scrier gaze is pretty dope to me

[upbeat parcel]

If u do a crit melee build u can kinda get some mean toughness Regen to keep u in there

[limpid lily]

it's all about your movements and stuff at the end of the day

if u wanna survive in melee

[worn cypress]

its much weaker now but I think its still fine

[strong gulch]

Testing in the meat grinder showed that soulblaze will spread from wildfire when the target was killed by an ally.

[worn cypress]

just like pre-skill tree patch you can top friggin leaderboard with melee psyker

[ebon jolt]

I’m running this but with the Columbus Mk5 IAG and it’s a blast. Gun is great after the patch.

[worn cypress]

now probably not so much anymore

[whole oxide]

something doesn't add up here

[limpid lily]

that's fair, u got friggin staffs and shit

[strong gulch]

?

[sonic coral]

Bringing friends into psykanium eh?

[strong gulch]

Bot spawner

[sonic coral]

Ah

[whole oxide]

oh, that's a thing?

[strong gulch]

yee

[sonic coral]

Interesting

[dim parrot]

ok the bb bug doesn't happen with ep if I hold to make the enemy explode instead of just pressing it once🤔

[sonic coral]

Are you able to test if warp charges proc if an enemy affected by blaze is killed by an ally?

Elbow grease, but that would be a huge answer

Specifically with the 10% on blaze kill node

[worn cypress]

oh what did they change that?

[steel flame]

i dont see what poeple like about the vraks 7

its slow and clunky

sure it hits hard

but thats about it

[rapid leaf]

I feel like that's the point

[steel flame]

meh

ill stick with laspistol and have none of those downsides

[tall trout]

FOMO slave

[steel flame]

dunno

[tall trout]

dont you know you gotta gimp yourself with the worst weapon set up to enjoy the game man

[steel flame]

headhunters have never felt good to use

just not my style

[worn cypress]

they do feel more like guns for csgo people

[steel flame]

doesnt really work with the speed based builds i prefer to use either

[coarse scroll]

guys want to ask, for the surge lightning staff, which stats are more important? is it damage, charge rate and critical bonus?

[strong gulch]

My brain is fried and idk how testable this is, but it seems to poc by ally kills. Can only test in coherency.

I spawned renegade melee since they are beefy and don't proc WC on their own.

1 to 3 puffs LMB purg is not even close enough to kill them. It appeared that ally kills got In Fire Reborn to proc kinda quickly, BUT a fire tic could have happened as the target was being hit by a bot.

[steel flame]

all three, you can probably dump quell

[coarse scroll]

recommend how many percent? 75%

[indigo thunder]

https://prnt.sc/xxuvQmR1U5C6 I luckied out

[strong gulch]

woooo

[coarse scroll]

wow thats good. i will try to roll that one

[indigo thunder]

I wish distribution was around 70% all to get Quell speed higher but I'll take it

[uneven compass]

What perks do y'all go for on surge? I've so many but I can't tell what makes the most difference

[coarse scroll]

chain lightning perks should work pn surge staff correct?

[steel flame]

if you just take the 30% quell speed feat its becomes a nonissue

[coarse scroll]

the one with smite perks

[steel flame]

yes

[coarse scroll]

or just take warp rider perks

[steel flame]

its kinda a bug though

rn all feats that buff smite also buff surge staff lightning, including empowered psionics

its a bug

[modern tusk]

Just slap carapace and flak onto that and you're a killing machine

[strong gulch]

perk recs on surge might be different between warp charge and EP + smite builds

[autumn whale]

what blessings and perks should i change on this staff

[modern tusk]

Warp nexus and +25 carapace

[indigo thunder]

I'll set maniac instead of carapase

Or instead of either one. I want maniac in there

[modern tusk]

Too bad resetting your staff to unupgraded

[strong gulch]

Either are good but test them in the meat grinder. I can't remember now. I even did a bunch of testing earlier.

I swore that I would remember. I did not remember 🙃

[indigo thunder]

?

[ebon jolt]

The Mk3 feels noticeably worse to use after the finesse modifier nerf this patch. The Mk9 still feels underwhelming compared to either of the other 2. The Mk7 feels great and blows pretty much anything up with deadly accurate. I like using it with dome shield over gaze for the extra protection when taking out a room full of gunners.

[autumn whale]

aight switched out stamina and terrifying barrage

[modern tusk]

You shall kill

[strong gulch]

Looking now. I ended up putting maniac on my surge with ep smite. cheese it

[steel flame]

i think the big reason i dont like it is that i play hyper aggressive with psyker and headhunters just dont mesh with that at all

[modern tusk]

Support Psyker > Aggressive Psyker

Simple as gentleman

Simple as

[restive tapir]

i feel like Aggressive Psyker can do alot of work but is harder to use effectively

meanwhile support Psyker provides benefits and is useful just cuz

[modern tusk]

[dim parrot]

bread

[modern tusk]

Funny bubble

[restive tapir]

yes the bubble is super nice

with warp charges you can make an ass

[digital narwhal]

Nuh uh

Trauma Staff > Everything

[modern tusk]

No rations for you

[steel flame]

dont need to support the team if everything is dead at your feet

[modern tusk]

3 assail Psykers upon you every game for the day

[steel flame]

pls god no

[modern tusk]

Enjoy not killing anything but crushers

[steel flame]

they all suck

assail psykers have the situational awareness of soggy cheese

[modern tusk]

I'm a proud smitehead because crowd controlling a whole horde for your three orgyns is a proud job

[steel flame]

i use assail as part of my crit build but mainly there as a stagger tool, trash clean up, or to regen toughness

[dim parrot]

nah but aggressive psyker fr tho

supporting is lame og

[steel flame]

i cant imagine only using assail the whole game

[dim parrot]

yee that would be boring as hell

[modern tusk]

Dude is mad that the tf2 medic never ubered him

[dim parrot]

never play it lmao

[modern tusk]

[steel flame]

i still outkill assail psykers when they join a game im in anyway, their damage is ass

[dim parrot]

I mained medic in bf1 tho

there that shit is fun

[modern tusk]

Bf1 was the last good one tbh

[dim parrot]

mostly got first place for just reviving and healing

[modern tusk]

Calvary main > Medic (Funny lance go brrrr)

[spark parcel]

Has anyone used Smite with the warp charges build? I’m a Surge/Smite main but with the new EP bug Aurics have been feeling like a power fantasy for me and I’m thinking of trying it out instead? I’m trying to play a barrier/CC support build for my friends

[dim parrot]

so I did my fair bit of support already xD

[strong gulch]

pre patch 14 my favorite build was surge + smite + creeping flames + WC so it was slightly different.

I thought it worked well. Took it only on T4s and T5s tho. Idk about the harder content.

[analog agate]

Using surge with warp siphon is the way to go without the ep bug, imo. here is my build

[languid osprey]

i cant make it to work

any tips?

[potent echo]

you should bring assail if you plan to use surge

[loud lichen]

would you psykers like an option to turn on or off the blue glow from head pop?

[strong gulch]

what are you having issues with?

[analog agate]

Smite horde till ~95%, venting shriek, continue smite for horde. Zap the shit out of everything for surge

use illisi

[languid osprey]

getting resets

what weapon?

[strong gulch]

resets?

[spark parcel]

Ty all, i may look into swapping shield for venting shriek for even more stun uptime, the barrier is just so useful though!

[tight birch]

I don't know how people use venting, I switched to shield for auric runs and it's too useful, just have to not be stupid with your peril

[languid osprey]

more than one venting per smite

[analog agate]

Cause I can take out hordes quickly. My positioning is good so I never care about gunners/shooters

[tight birch]

But can your whole squad be safe at all times

[potent echo]

venting kills everything

mainly shooters

venting should help you solve shooter problems

[tight birch]

And venting clear / DPS is pretty weak compared to just hitting a horde with your melee / appropriate staff

[spark parcel]

I will say on the maelstom where there's an endless tide of armored opponents and few ranged, i have been wishing i had venting shriek

[plucky flax]

You have to be at high peril to get 6 burn stack from shriek.

[analog agate]

I like bubble shield for nurgle beast or if my team can't hlep me take out flamers/bombers quickly. But now, with me doing pugs, if my team sucks oh well. I try and carry. I am always doing auric/maelstrome so i expect compentency

[tight birch]

tbf I don't know why people use assail either, the staffs are so powerful do you really need an alternate damage source, especially post-nerf

[gilded cloud]

I haven't played the game since March. Has it improved since then?

[plucky flax]

Assail with revolver is still very strong.

[tight birch]

But you could just use voidstrike / trauma and be stronger, lol

[spark parcel]

I think it is much improved, there's a lot more abilities and toys to play with now, and more interesting difficulty modifiers. Plenty of bugged/broken things though, as is tradition

[plucky flax]

You have way more mobility with assail and revolver + duelling sword.

[small whale]

assails trash now

[plucky flax]

It's a vibe.

[small whale]

takes like 4 thingies to kill a bomber

[tight birch]

I guess I don't get to the point of needing mobility to get out of bad situations so it's less useful for me

[hollow jolt]

Assail can't 1-shot chaos spawn, its all over siblings 😔

[plucky flax]

Tru I am veri bad player hard stuck in sedition.

Need mobility to run away.

[tight birch]

[hollow jolt]

To be fair, I found the crab dash really fun with Purg staff

"Toughness, speed, and free dodge on crit"

Just dash into people while spamming fire

[strong gulch]

Not sure.

It might be a combo of Seer's Presence, Creeping Flames, Inner Tranquility, In Fire Reborn, and Warp Battery.

[proven stirrup]

Ok I need

[broken pollen]

Surge staff didn’t get nerfed i am so happy

[proven stirrup]

A new psyker baseline

My kit's a mess since I stopped playing and iunno what to grab anymore

Can I get some advice?

I have like

No mats btw

Just need some baseline shit that we know works

[broken pollen]

Bubble shields better

[strong gulch]

With 6 WC you have more cool down reduction and warp resistance with inner tanq. You can smite, build peril, shreik to proc creeping flames, smite more, things die with soulblaze to proc in fire reborn, and start all over again.

[hollow jolt]

No more infinite bubbles though

[broken pollen]

Smite still needs another buff. Never liked the infinite smite glitch but it made it more usable

[hollow jolt]

That was funny in auric

Just like 8 bubbles in a blob and not even blocking because they can't hurt you

[broken pollen]

Most of my shields can be put back up right when they expire with the new cooldown

[hollow jolt]

But I need my 50% toughness per sec

How else will I survive Sedition?

[broken pollen]

Enemy zoning’s hard to learn but a dumbass like me managed

[strong gulch]

"meta" right now is dueling sword MK 4, void strike, assail, and shield if that helps

[broken pollen]

Best psyker game i’ve had so far

[proven stirrup]

Ah, ok.

[proven stirrup]

I can give that a shot

[broken pollen]

I had to carry for the vet bc he wasn’t doing his job of clearing the elites fast enough

[normal matrix]

That explains why the dueling sword can 1SHS heresy ragers with a heavy

[whole oxide]

don't need to try that hard, just faceplant into your keyboard and twitch occasionally, and easy top damage

[proven stirrup]

lol

noted

[hollow jolt]

I'm always sad to see a Vet because I know they won't do their job right

[proven stirrup]

Yeah I just need to farm so I can fuck around more freely

[strong gulch]

Before you invest too hard into things, play around with some non-invested weapons to get a feel for what you like.

But yeah those things will cover your bases

[broken pollen]

To be fair when a vet gets shat on in chat they usually go full apeshit and start slinging shit back. Usually when i see psykers getting shit they just go into depression lol

[normal matrix]

I like using scrier-gaze with smite and purg staff

Gaze purg goes hard

[plucky flax]

Vet got buffed quite a lot they are good again now.

[long wharf]

A good Vet with helbore or mk12 was still good

[proven stirrup]

Oh I'm not too new, I'm just sorta of displaced cuz I took a break and these new tools are still like

all over for me

[long wharf]

Now they're just better

[proven stirrup]

I actually need outside help focusing for now lol

[broken pollen]

Surge and smite psyker is about as fun to play as grenade gauntlet ogryn now after the patch

[plucky flax]

I really enjoy patch 14 build of mk6 power sword and mk1 infantry autogun.

Feels smooth feels good with the buffed shout.

[broken pollen]

I like to do deimos with deflector for the added defense

[strong gulch]

especailly with deimos buff

[broken pollen]

Incase i get a bad shield timing

[normal matrix]

Fair, i mostly use smite to lockdown specials and gaze purg to wipe mobs

Anything that gets too close is whacked with a dueling sword

[strong gulch]

not the buffed staff bonk?? 😀

[broken pollen]

I’d run purge if i were still trying support heavy psyker. I can charge two shot most heavy elites with the surge

[normal matrix]

No, i like the funny sword

Plus i can block with the funny sword...

[rapid leaf]

Poking charging mutants in the face with a dueling sword will never get old

[strong gulch]

no staff block 😔

[normal matrix]

Also reasonable, i mostly run team supporting builds like shout vet and choir zeal

[hollow jolt]

Its a skill issue problem sadly

As they don't scan for ranged and tale them out first

[plucky flax]

Dats tru I have big issues.

[broken pollen]

There any way to reduce peril when putting up shield? I still brain burst myself sometimes when i’m not paying attention to peril

[strong gulch]

I can't scan anything if I'm busy chasing the stack man to keep DD up.

[hollow jolt]

Damnation spawns: 15 Gunners and 1 shooter as a treat

[normal matrix]

ABV my boy, always be venting

[indigo thunder]

Illisi sword worth using?

[normal matrix]

Gotta keep that explosion to once a mission as an elevator party trick

[strong gulch]

You can BB at like 96% peril. Just short quell.

Technically it's 97% but I've blown up at the percent.

[hazy nest]

What is my job as a psyker on the team

[strong gulch]

you can chain BBs pretty quick that way

[broken pollen]

No i mean i explode

[limber heath]

Kill

[broken pollen]

Like i lose a wound and am down

[hazy nest]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-family-feud-kill-steve-harvey-kill-family-feud-kill-gif-21764693

[brave fiber]

Blow up

[plucky flax]

Plasteels picking.

[broken pollen]

I have smite not bb but my brain bursts at 100% when poor input

[broken pollen]

Depends based on your build

[hazy nest]

It's too early to have a build atm but I'm leaning towards lightning

[proven stirrup]

I have no idea what to do with this skill tree lmao

[broken pollen]

When i was running defensive psyker it was for horde clear, bubble shields and stunlocking elites

[brave fiber]

Smite is very good cc

[limber heath]

^ psyker has pretty widely varied options depending on choice of staff (or gun) and blitz

[broken pollen]

I’m running hybrid support psyker which is elite stun/clear and horde management still defense with bubbleshield

[strong gulch]

Rolls are less of a thing in this game, though you can definitely build into one. Your build should be flexible enough that you can handle just about everything.

[brave fiber]

I’m addicted to purgatus empowered bb rn

[normal matrix]

You could do a support psyker like me, smite with scriers gaze and a flame staff

[broken pollen]

If u like being able to compensate for bad aim on the part of vets on the team, the hybrid build lets u delete elites

[brave fiber]

As a rule of thumb as psyker you want a way to deal with hordes and a way to deal with carapace enemies, whether that’s in the form of blitz primary or secondary that’s up to you

[proven stirrup]

What is this hybrid build you speak of?

[hazy nest]

I'm coming from veteran where I mostly run precision anti special/elite and let the team handle the worst of horde for me while I tried to take down ranged targets and of course orgyrn one shotting

[broken pollen]

Mostly support psyker build with a decent surge staff roll, deflector deimos, bubble shield and smite

[normal matrix]

If you enjoy the vet playstyle you will probably enjoy classic psyker pira

Brain Burst with warp charges and... whatever special you want really

[brave fiber]

I feel like deflector has become infinitely less valuable now that bubble is a thing

[limber heath]

Could run shield instead of shriek cuz it's hard to explode yourself with BB

[broken pollen]

I thought so too then it helped me clutch the other day bc i had to move outside my shield zone and there were gunners

[proven stirrup]

Hmmm

[strong gulch]

There are peril reduction node and some thing past the warp siphon keystone called inner tranquility that help. Still have to pay attention tho. Some builds are more dangerous with the peril management.

[hollow jolt]

Deflector is still good if you don't run shield

[broken pollen]

I’ll look into that

[hollow jolt]

Would still hold onto the sword

[proven stirrup]

Man this is my problem, I can't farm when I'm faffing about unable to find what I like most lmao

[brave fiber]

yeah it def has its uses, I just always run into the problem of why block when I can shield

[hollow jolt]

Spam quickplay damnations so you can just afford to do so anyways

[proven stirrup]

lemme see if there are any tree screenies around for this voidestrike setup

[hollow jolt]

I spent 40k plasteel from Patch 13 to Patch 14

I will spend more

[broken pollen]

I still think voidstrike’s gonna get another nerf

[limber heath]

Is vs still broken

[broken pollen]

I’d use it if i didn’t feel like it was gonna get pummeled into high hell

[proven stirrup]

It was always one of the better staves next to purgatus

[limber heath]

It doesn't oneshot crushers anymore right?

[brave fiber]

I think it’s good how it is rn

[hollow jolt]

It won't 1 burst crushers without specific blessings

Still good though

[broken pollen]

I agree

[proven stirrup]

The patch changed a lot but clearly that one spiked lmao

[broken pollen]

I just think fs might not

[brave fiber]

Yeah it does sometimes feel like their buffs are kinda random sometimes

[hollow jolt]

I find it funny Purg basically hasn't changed and its still one of the best staffs Psyker has

[brave fiber]

(Mk4 dueling buffs lol)

[limber heath]

Thing is the other staffs are all really strong too so IDT VS is a huge problem provided it's not in the state it was last patch

[hollow jolt]

Everything else has been on a roller coaster

[proven stirrup]

Hey sometimes perfection just happens

[hollow jolt]

Just like Ogryn

[broken pollen]

Purge is infinite zealot flamer. Tho how good it is for killing anything else than hordes isn’t for me to say, never used it that way

[strong gulch]

Your head has to be more on a swivel with psyker. Warp weapons that fit a similar kind thing specials targeting are voidstrike and surge.

I often find myself providing CC, getting disablers and elites, but ultimately being a flex slot.

[icy shuttle]

Anyone know the dump stat for the surge staff?

[hollow jolt]

Surprisingly, my psyker friend has been nabbing boss kills

[broken pollen]

I did mobility iirc

[hollow jolt]

I wonder if warpfire is good vs unyielding

[normal matrix]

Purg staff is just a CC weapon, simple as

[icy shuttle]

surge staff doesnt have mobility

[normal matrix]

Its good just due to its design

[broken pollen]

Must’ve been thinking of something else

[left mirage]

how do people spam surge for hordeclear

[broken pollen]

I think it was warp resistance then?

[hollow jolt]

Its also good hordeclear

[left mirage]

im watching someone spam charged attacks

[hollow jolt]

Big dps 💪

[normal matrix]

Uhh... yeah

[limber heath]

Warp flurry probably?

[strong gulch]

quell speed

[broken pollen]

Keep rmb held down and spam lmb

[hollow jolt]

Bruh

[normal matrix]

Its a weapon to kill hordes, same as the flamer

[icy shuttle]

thanks !

[hollow jolt]

Indeed

[icy shuttle]

good roll?

[broken pollen]

Wait why quell speed

[left mirage]

there's that 30% quell node near the bottom that's really easy to nab probs

i always grab it

[broken pollen]

Oh

[icy shuttle]

or this one

[strong gulch]

flurry blessing + quelling a small bit. This keeps you from exploding and keeps flurry stacks up.

Venting shriek + inner tranquility can add more comfort and grace

[plucky flax]

Me as a psyker when a monster appears

Uhh lemme find other things to deal with while you 3 handle the monster.

[vestal fulcrum]

Behold the godroll Obscurus:

[strong gulch]

Yes. Idealing you want damage, charge rate, and critcal bonus as high as possible.

Still good tho

[vestal fulcrum]

[hazy nest]

Thank you

I dunno if it's cause I don't have a lot of points in it yet but wew lightning is pretty underwhelming atm

It also falls off a lot randomly which gets me punched in the face

[plucky flax]

Congratulations you played yourself.

[olive ember]

Obscures will get buffed

[vestal fulcrum]

I know, it feels great to have an inferior but good weapon.

[olive ember]

You filthy obscures abandoners will have your day of reckoning

I know it

[vestal fulcrum]

I believe in Obscurus

🙏

[olive ember]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-happy-but-sad-face-gif-19422780

[plucky flax]

Crusher got buffed so maybe there is hope yet.

[steel flame]

ive been told i play psyker like a zealot, which is funny cause ive never played zealot

[analog agate]

Yes, illisi power feels like how it was pre-slaughterer nerf. So really good for horde clear. You just can't crab walk anymore

[plucky flax]

Loner aura solo incursion and then get flamed?

[olive ember]

Do you run it down into shooters?

[strong gulch]

It is single target damage and stuns 2. You can get a 3rd stun from a smite node.

Playing high peril with nexus gets the crit chance up. That's where the damage is.

Plus right now surge is bugged with smite + EP to get a lot more damage. Smite was buffed and for whatever reason, surge gets those same buffs if you build into it.

[steel flame]

yea

[olive ember]

Yeah sounds bout right

[steel flame]

empathic evasion go brrrrrrr

[olive ember]

Surge finally feels good with double damage

Like I’ve been saying

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[steel flame]

maybe they will keep it

[olive ember]

Lol I wish

Besides the 3 targets and +125% damage and 10% on hit is a bit overtuned

Which is why +100% flat would be great

2 targets and only +100%

[lethal lagoon]

100% flat would still have me doing twice as much damage as 2nd place.

Need 47.3% damage increase with 3 targets.

[olive ember]

It’s a 2 target weapon compared to infinite cleave of purge and trauma and 12 cleave of void so eh

[icy shuttle]

hows it looking ?

[uneven compass]

Ya surge with the bugged talent feels insane. Without the talent it was 800-900 non crit, with talent it's nearly double. If you crit you're basically one shotting anything

[olive ember]

Even with double damage you still need to crit to kill a crusher in 2

[hollow jolt]

Finally surge viable vs poxwalkers

[olive ember]

Just realized plasma gun is literally just better surge staff (non bugged) except you gotta aim

[hollow jolt]

It also eats ammo

[olive ember]

Cuz it like two shots crushers consistently but has fucking 40 cleave

[analog agate]

Inside my surge range I make vets obsolete. So thats nice

[hollow jolt]

God forbid a plasma and recon meet

[olive ember]

It’s ammo is meme tier unless you are literally spamming it into shooters

[hollow jolt]

Funny 100 cleave

[olive ember]

100? Oh right they buffed it

[hollow jolt]

Funny PUG moment

[olive ember]

Just railgun the crusher through the horde and wall

[olive ember]

Well yes but we don’t rly talk about how pubs play

Have you ever seen a pub thammer zealot and then go “where’s the boss damage”

Because I have

[hollow jolt]

Yes...

[strong gulch]

Nice. Now you are free to choose perks. Maniac for sure. idk about the other right now with enemy HP changes.

Check in the meat grinder to see if you are short of hitting a break point with your build. Will likely be carapace or flak

[hollow jolt]

I see Thammer -> bring purg staff -> takes 2 minutes to kill a beast of nurgle 😎

[olive ember]

It also depends on the loadout, like a properly kitted autogun vet will meme on surge on everything besides crushers and bulwarks

[naive imp]

Played an auric damnation maelstrom today and assail seems like it is still just deleting everything. Lol

[bleak tulip]

doesnt just seem

[icy shuttle]

Thanks!!!

[olive ember]

Bro the 50 damage man

[left mirage]

i didnt notice this before*, but you can chuck out assail shots, then swap to a weapon with quell on weakspot hit and benefit

[whole oxide]

its almost like assail was actually buffed rather than nerfed

[naive imp]

Yerp

[left mirage]

there's a reason to use the ads throw

so yeah it got buffed

[hollow jolt]

Assail needs more regen clearly

Patch 15: no ammo limit

[analog agate]

I still haven't played with a good vet since patch 13. So I am biased atm for sure

[olive ember]

Pretty sure assail was meant to be a quick swap weapon

[bleak tulip]

the right click is so not worth mentioning that I dont even wanna call it a buff even though it absolutely is on paper

[whole oxide]

Patch 15: assail auto-BR's on every target hit

[left mirage]

its nice to use when you're far enough that basic left clicks dont hit

[olive ember]

It’s why the tracking still works after swapping weapons

[hollow jolt]

"I'm trying to be a good soldier"

[uneven compass]

Kinda wish they nerfed assail left click more and upped right click charge. Keep it decent on horde clearing but making it necessary to charge for elites

[orchid shadow]

I just tried my first Melee Maestrom. Holy, wasn't sure what I was expecting, but it wasn't this. Note to self, don't bring Brain Rupture. 😦

[uncut violet]

Wdym, it is a buff. Now I can farm even more overkill damage when I right click snipers. Surely that's a buff

[naive imp]

Was purg buffed?

[quasi junco]

hey is Trauma any good this patch?

[hollow jolt]

Yes, its special attack does way more damage

[whole oxide]

always has been

[quasi junco]

Whats a good blitz for Trauma staff? Assail?

[uneven compass]

Since they fixed trauma's peril issues it's been amazing

[plucky flax]

I did 900k+ damage in 27 mins melee maelstrom earlier.

[naive imp]

What weapons?

[orchid shadow]

Surge staff and Illisi

[hollow jolt]

God melee maelstrom is a nightmare

[naive imp]

Surge is definitely my favorite weapon so far

[hollow jolt]

Carapace everywhete

[naive imp]

Warp charges or assail?

[hollow jolt]

"Melee? I'll bring a purg staff" -> D:

[plucky flax]

Surge abuser

[naive imp]

Surge is balanced

Like literally no cap.

[hollow jolt]

Surge needs a buff

[naive imp]

It’s not void. It’s not assail. It’s not light em up

Everyone relax. It’s fine

[hollow jolt]

No target limit pls

[lethal lagoon]

Guy hasn't discovered the bug or is memeing lmao

[plucky flax]

No I am just really good top 1% player.

Normal psyker can't replicate.

[quasi junco]

Lul my first roll at a Trauma staff

[naive imp]

Someone turned me on to surge a week ago and it is sex

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think it's a roll until you upgrade it

[quasi junco]

What should I change?

[plucky flax]

Auric games today I only win
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046912126746374274/1167116321029370008/image.png?ex=654cf4c6&is=653a7fc6&hm=a54aebe2e66d49430fc2049d881724c8ad21b120bc50deef498456c0b84073be&

[uneven compass]

Even pre recently patch bug I felt surge was really nice, little slow to kill somethings like ogryns but the quality of life auto aim and huge range is so nice. Bugged surge tho, shit is an absolute monster

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, surge bug got boring for me after like 2 games.

Was looking forward to using a fixed smite but then surge broke, so back to Og.

[plucky flax]

You can play surge with warp charges.

[orchid shadow]

Holy 900k, I can totally believe that. We failed that one, and we weren't even to the last airlock on Consignment yard, so there was plently left.

[lethal lagoon]

I want EP smite though

[plucky flax]

Its not bugged and still strong.

Okay rip

[lethal lagoon]

I wanted unlimited power but didn't actually expect to really get unlimited power

[digital narwhal]

I hope Obscurus becomes the viable middle ground option with it's own genuine niche that the Latrine Shovel became for Ogryn.

[naive imp]

It has less range than void.

[olive ember]

Surge without bug is disgusting and bad

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, you can still face tank shooter hordes with surge spam, no bug.

[naive imp]

What bug are you talking about?

[lethal lagoon]

The one on your face, quickly get it before it bites you

[olive ember]

Maybe it’ll get a rework but we’ll see ig

[orchid shadow]

Scoreboard History? How did I not notice that? Is that a different mod / plugin?

[naive imp]

Can you send me your build and staff? I’m curious

[olive ember]

It’s like every other surge staff build

There’s like two ways to build the thing

[plucky flax]

You want bugged surge build or normal?

[plucky flax]

It's a feature from scoreboard mod.

[uncut violet]

Just hit F5

[plucky flax]

Default key is f2 for history.

[quasi junco]

do auras stack?

[plucky flax]

Or f5 idk.

Xd

[olive ember]

Alt + F4

Trust bro

[orchid shadow]

Format c:/. Got it!

[olive ember]

If they are the same psure they don’t

[naive imp]

Are you talking about surge? Or smite?

[olive ember]

Otherwise 4 zealots would be running around with like base 40 toughness DR

Surge bug? As in empowered psionics doubles surge staff damage

[plucky flax]

I run surge and smite together.

[naive imp]

Is that a thing? Psionics is buffing surge? Lol

[olive ember]

It’s been buffing surge

Anything that would buff smite buffs surge

[naive imp]

Hahaha

[olive ember]

So smites +1 target cap, the 10% damage from enfeebling wte, and the +125% damage from psionics

[naive imp]

Wouldn’t bb be better to handle snipers?

[naive imp]

Oh even those work?

Lol excellent

[olive ember]

Yes

[plucky flax]

Surge has really long range sniper is not a problem.

[olive ember]

25m isn’t uh

Rly long range

[naive imp]

@plucky flax send me the build and staff you use

[olive ember]

Ig you can lmb spam snipers

[naive imp]

For the big dam

[plucky flax]

I did 900k damage of both builds I'll send both.

[uncut violet]

Is voidstrike + assail still the meta if we're not abusing surge bug

[olive ember]

Yes

[uncut violet]

Ty

[olive ember]

It probably is even if you are tho it will depend on team comp

[naive imp]

Surge without the bug still is really good imo

I have been using it without apparently. Lol

[olive ember]

Eh agree to disagree

[naive imp]

I mean obviously it’s not broken. But it’s still good. Lol

125% more damage is a lot

[olive ember]

It’s probably the weakest staff

Besides maybe purge I guess

Which got slapped by enemy health increases

[naive imp]

For some reason I’ve been seeing a lot of purg staffs today

I assumed it got buffed. Lol

[uncut violet]

Let's watch our mouth buddy. I might not have used purgatus in about 8 months but it's still my goat.

[digital narwhal]

When Surge's interaction with Smite's additions is removed/fixed, then I really hope they give some nice buffs to it in compensation.

[uncut violet]

It can be dogshit and it will still be the best staff. SPACE FLAMES

[naive imp]

Blue flames go brrr

[plucky flax]

Go play purg in melee maelstrom against 15 crushers xd

[digital narwhal]

I think the additional +1 chain for Surge from Lightning Storm feels pretty good tbh, and a damage buff would be appreciated as well.

[spare sail]

purg staff will always be best for one simple reason. it lets you PURGE IN HOLY FIRE

[digital narwhal]

[olive ember]

Honestly I think +100% damage flat and just remove all the smite interactions

[shrewd comet]

Surge blessing is impossible to get.

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[naive imp]

Thought surge didn’t have surge…

[digital narwhal]

+100% damage, and an additional chain.
(I like hitting 3 enemies at once)

[olive ember]

For reference even with the +125% damage you need to crit once to two shot a crusher like

Bruh

More than double the damage and you still need to crit to 2 shot

[shrewd comet]

also Surge Staff is affected by the 125% dmg buff

just fyi

[digital narwhal]

We know.
We're talking about compensation buffs when that's fixed.

[shrewd comet]

oh capisce

[olive ember]

Have you tried fire trauma build?

[digital narwhal]

It took +125% damage for it to be good, so it should be given a similar buff when it's removed

[olive ember]

I mean no shit I’m not bringing purge at that point I’d bring trauma or void

[spare sail]

the one with blazing spirit?

[olive ember]

Trauma staff with blazing spirit and warp nexus

It’s like 40% crit if you play at high peril so it spreads fire pretty well

[digital narwhal]

Use Trauma Staff with Perilous Combustion and Creeping Flames.

[olive ember]

That too

[spare sail]

exactly what i use

but it aint the same as spewing fire everywhere

[olive ember]

I suppose so

[spare sail]

not as satisfying

[plucky flax]

@naive imp My staff. First tree is without bug. Second tree is with bug.

[digital narwhal]

I prefer Warp Flurry and Rending Shockwave to increase the damage that enemies take from my Soulblaze, and if enemies are even scratched by Trauma, then it opens up breakpoints for a fair few of them.
Scab Gunners and both Shotgunners become one shots.
It lets you kill Crusher, Rager, and Mauler packs quicker.
Etc.

[olive ember]

But yeah purge got hit hard by the enemy health buffs, like the ragers can just through a full blast and still take a second or two to die to DOT

[digital narwhal]

Purgatus is now suffering the same fate as the Flamestorm Staff from VT2

Being shit.

[olive ember]

Using quell speed and not malefic smh

XD purge is not on demand special CC/killing like all the other staves so yeah

Tho being able to burn down every enemy weaker than a mauler 16m range is still strong depending on what they are doing

[naive imp]

Trauma staff feels really clunky to use

Do not like

[bleak tulip]

it kinda is

but you can stay alive forever with it

so it levels out

[spare sail]

i felt the same and just said fuck it ill get used to it

[naive imp]

Because you can cleave on yourself?

[dusk rose]

smite feels awful now

[bleak tulip]

yeah+#

[olive ember]

Smite has too much peril gen, would be alleviated if you used warp charges but

Comon now, surge bug

[quasi junco]

assail and trauma is hot garbage together, no answer for carapace

might try trauma and BB

[olive ember]

Trauma isn’t that bad for carapace? It’s like 4 blasts

[whole oxide]

huh? trauma handles carapace fine

[spare sail]

i find it fine since you can toss them on the ground

and just spam

[quasi junco]

BB has longer range for snipers too

maulers

[whole oxide]

primary fire being a machine-gun now kinda makes BB redundant

[quasi junco]

ok ill keep trying this setup, using warp charges for keystone

[velvet spear]

carry smite to make surge better is the play?

[spare sail]

id like to see an aoe effect for bb

make it more fun

[olive ember]

Eh it’s +1 target

Which is good when surge does literally double damage so the 2 secondary targets actually take alright damage now

[brave fiber]

I think balance wise this would be the most fun and optimal change

[olive ember]

Personally I’d just run assail for range and horde clear tho ngl

[digital narwhal]

I love hitting a crit with high Peril for Warp Rider and watching 3 enemies get gibbed at once with Surge.

No feeling is better-

wait

[verbal bear]

Definitely take assail if you are playing quickplay

[digital narwhal]

why tf did it make a reply

wtf Discord

[naive imp]

BB needs a MASSIVE damage boost. Lol

[velvet spear]

sparkystick remains king, yeah assail is just e-z mode for hitting far targets

[dusk rose]

so whats the tree for smite now when its this meh

[naive imp]

I can’t imagine anyone is actually using smite atm

It’s just to buff surge

@digital narwhal Any reasoning for an uptick in purg staff users?

Feel like I’m seeing purg/assail everywhere

[brave fiber]

purgatus is fun

[digital narwhal]

It's like Pre-13 Rumbler.
People don't know it's dumpstered now.

[broken pollen]

Wot

[crimson dirge]

[torn horizon]

alright

[brave fiber]

Purg is pretty great with a good setup

[broken pollen]

Nobody was really “using” it pre patch. Not really strong enough utility wise other than stunlock

[torn horizon]

give me feedback

[broken pollen]

For hordeclear just use surge or purg

[brave fiber]

Low damage force sword is a little eh

[rare storm]

Do same auras stack? ie 2 psykers running crit aura will it be 10% chance?

[dusk rose]

rifthaven staff is goated

[brave fiber]

yes I’m pretty sure

[rare storm]

Cool

4 psykers with warp nexus + surge void staff + crit aura = infinite double? kek

[digital narwhal]

Purgatus has fallen behind the other Staves imo.
It's only use really is for clearing hordes, especially now with the buffs to Maulers and Ragers; they can and will just ignore Secondary Fires, walk up to you, and give you facial reconstruction - free of charge.
Trauma and Voidstrike can manage hordes whilst also clearing Elites n' Specials in the process, and Surge with the current EP Smite bug can just delete any Elite/Special it wants.

[broken pollen]

The smite bug got patched no?

[digital narwhal]

Purgatus's only use really is for Poxies, whereas two of the other Staves do that while also dealing high damage to high priority enemies, and Surge will just delete them.

[digital narwhal]

Surge benefits from EP Smite additions.

[broken pollen]

OH

[harsh urchin]

Auras dont stack.

[broken pollen]

o h

[digital narwhal]

Surge deals +125% damage if you have an EP charge with Smite equipped.

Surge also benefits from Enfeeble and Lightning Storm.

[broken pollen]

Damnit so that’s why i’ve been doing good against elites and specs

FUCK

[brave fiber]

no staff has stunlock potential and the ability to kill hordes at the same time like purgatus, plus it’s peril gen is literally nothing

[rare storm]

aw

[digital narwhal]

Trauma.

Next statement pls.

[harsh urchin]

Amigo

[broken pollen]

YOU’RE TELLING ME THE CRUX OF MY NEW PLAYSTYLE IS A FUCKING BUG THAT’S GONNA BE PATCHED OUT ANY TIME???

[rare storm]

Isn't this just psyker in gheneral

[brave fiber]

Charged 3 meter aoe versus screen wide spray of fire

[broken pollen]

Wait no i can still do good against elites and specs without EP charge bc i swear i didn’t have one at the start of a mission and i was still doing well

[orchid nest]

I guess I have a pretty different opinion, purg is absolutely insane at cleaving down the giant rager packs the ai director seems to love to throw out this patch. you can just purg them as they come in and creeping flames, or stack up your purg and assail if you're on the right side instead

[brave fiber]

Not to mention that purgatus m1 is very useful if used in tandem with its secondary fire

[bleak tulip]

no its currently mostly "my playstyle is just my weapon being wildly overtuned"

[broken pollen]

I remember back when it was “wildly undertuned”

Patch 3 fellas will get it…

[left mirage]

dark times

[torn horizon]

someone look at my build and tell my why its wrong https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a769634-5e05-43d5-a665-33a200de79b6/akshkas-wacky-wild-ride

[bleak tulip]

and I still played it then

[copper torrent]

It was 4 weeks between patches. Just enjoy it while it lasts.

[bleak tulip]

you seem to be missing a staff

[broken pollen]

but my tantrum…

[brave fiber]

Purgatus is an EXTREMELY safe weapon for psyker, it does great horde clear and does meaningful damage to anything that isn’t a crusher, and the stun potential rivals smite

[torn horizon]

ignore the items for now

cause they did something to soulblaze to make me sad

[bleak tulip]

I mean the items are kind of important as to what the hell youre trying to do

[orchid nest]

yeah and even then, a uncanny/executor deimos will apply 4 stacks of both with a single charged poke to the head and even crushers start melting then

[digital narwhal]

Trauma will kill groups of Shotgunners, Gunners, Flamers, Trappers, or the likes at the same time though.

[bleak tulip]

for example youre missing true aim, if youre trying to play anything with crit and weakspot

[brave fiber]

The key difference is the play style, I’m not saying one is better than the other they just have different roles

[torn horizon]

i want to use lighting to stun but i cant get my cooldown on my shriek with siphon anymore due to them nerfing soulblaze

[digital narwhal]

I mean... Purgatus is better at killing Poxies quicker, but Trauma knocks everything short of a Monstrosity onto it's ass, meaning that you kill enemies whilst they have 0 chance of fighting back.
I'd definitely say Trauma > Purgatus.

[orchid nest]

I feel safest with trauma and it's one of my favorite staves but purg is going to cleave down a pack of elites a lot quicker because it isn't spreading them away from its aoe

[digital narwhal]

Trauma kills everything incredibly quickly.

[brave fiber]

Knocks everything back, but requires a decent charge for every burst. My point is you can very easily spam purg m1s and even m2 with flurry and never have an enemy even attempt to get close

[orchid nest]

Sure, it does really good. I have probably like 500 hours on just trauma alone. Still doesn't negate that purg will aoe down say, a 10 rager pack quicker and cleaner

[bleak tulip]

more generally, dont take mind in motion, especially when you gotta beeline for it, learn to slide
right side psionics talent is better

[digital narwhal]

Warp Flurry says hello.
Plus, the charge time isn't quite agonising enough for that to be an issue.

[bleak tulip]

also I dont see people run the right smite talent

so its probably also bad

[torn horizon]

smite is super useful it can stun whole rooms and give time for your team to make space

[bleak tulip]

also I dont personally think kinetic presense is good

[brave fiber]

you’re missing my point man, there is no world where staggered bursts of cc is better than a constant stream of it

It’s why smite is better than surge in cc

[digital narwhal]

You're fully charged again before enemies even stand up, man.

It is constant.

[bleak tulip]

I mean this

[torn horizon]

yeah im on the fence about it since it got beat into the ground

[candid crest]

for the mk. 4 dueling sword what are the blessings and perks I should roll for?

[bleak tulip]

I assume the math nerds figured out that 10% rarely makes you hit breakpoints or some shit but I dont see people using it is all I can say

[torn horizon]

ill do some tests

[willow hazel]

Everyone stop shitting on Purgatus. Some players just want to mediocre amounts of damage very slowly.

[candid crest]

IIRC, Enfeeble doesn't work with surge right click

[torn horizon]

oh it doesnt? charged makes it not happen?

[digital narwhal]

[orchid nest]

Purg is better cc than a lot of people give it credit for but I have to agree trauma beats it on cc. don't agree on the other parts though, purg is great at cleaving mixed crowds with no fuss and it'll speed up the mission compared to trauma. but trauma will tend to be safer overall

[brave fiber]

What if you have enemies coming from more than one direction? You can’t hit both at the same time. Purg has the capacity to cc and kill everything around you without having to target anything In particular. The radius of trauma is not comparable to the giant cone of fire.

[worn cypress]

purg is so braindead tho

blue flames go brr

[willow hazel]

Purgatus can't even clear hordes as fast as melee weapons

[worn cypress]

very zen

[digital narwhal]

Trauma your feet.
Use Venting Shriek.
Blast one side, turn around and do it again, turn around and do it again, turn around and do it again, turn arou-

Any of these work.

[worn cypress]

purg cant clear as fast but I think it's the most efficient space-maker

[candid crest]

at least that big beefy psyker steam guide claims it doesn't and its written by local peeps with much better psyker knowledge than I am. from my side I can only say that in grinder it definitely doesn't work

[brave fiber]

So you have to do all that to compensate for purg just having to hold down m2, got it

[meager eagle]

does this perk even matter? i feel like smite already chains to everything by default

[candid crest]

i just defaulted running empowering psionics with BB. don't like assail and empowered BB feels nice

[willow hazel]

That perk affects Surge staff too. It goes from 2 -> 3 targets

[digital narwhal]

So you have to spend 15 seconds to kill a Rager whereas Trauma does it in 2, got it.

[meager eagle]

ooohh okay its staying on then

ty

[brave fiber]

May I introduce you to the wonderful world of having a melee weapon

[torn horizon]

you can get two waves instead of one, helps when its not a room but a whole ass building

[naive imp]

The stack system is a little funky NGL. They need to increase how fast it ticks the more stacks you have

[digital narwhal]

Purgatus Psykers when 3 Crushers.
(All of their momentum has stopped and they are now losing ground)

[naive imp]

But I’m assuming that would just make them fall off because it’s a strange system.

[orchid nest]

I mean, no need to exaggerate. put the ragers in a staggered line and try seeing if trauma or purg kills them the fastest. trauma will kill some faster in its radius and depending where they get thrown. but yeah a giant cone can be useful as bipolarbear says

[digital narwhal]

I'm not saying it isn't useful.
But he's overestimating Purgatus imo

[brave fiber]

I take bb or smite with purg. Crushers are either dead by the time I walk by their body or ccd so my team kills them like bugs

[naive imp]

I played with like 4 purg in a row and I feel like the constant flinching causes a LOT of issues

Like dogs just keep jumping backwards while on fire

And you have to either chase or let them come back in again

It’s super annoying

[bleak tulip]

this man's got time to BB 3 crushers

[digital narwhal]

Are you taking into account the new Ambush mechanic?
Crushers can and have been seen to just surround teams.

Bulwarks too.

Maulers and Ragers as well.

[torn horizon]

can confirm

[digital narwhal]

Purgatus doesn't help there

Not one bit

Neither will BB

Sure, "Smite"
But with "Infinite Power" gone, there's only so much you can do against being surrounded.

[brave fiber]

If I’m the only one killing crushers on my team there’s bigger problems

[orchid nest]

purg can do pretty good against crushers with preparation but getting ambushed is a bit rough. and requires a specific deimos

[digital narwhal]

Expect to have to do most of the work yourself.
It's better to be surprised than disappointed.

[brave fiber]

Every staff has weaknesses, I’m not acting like purg doesn’t have em

[digital narwhal]

What's Voidstrike's weakness?

[slow heron]

slow charge?

[brave fiber]

Being surrounded

[orchid nest]

mainly because of rending applying to soulblaze which is funny

[plucky flax]

Assail revolver meme Xd

[digital narwhal]

The blast radius now can and will give you enough time to shuffle out of being surrounded tbh

Anyway, what's Trauma's weakness, too?
Aside from stairs, since that's something that should be fixed anyway

[brave fiber]

Sure, I’m not saying that weaknesses can’t be delt with, again, trauma isn’t bad, weaknesses shouldnt define a weapon though

[digital narwhal]

Weaknesses shouldn't be the point of definition though.
It should be their strengths.

And unfortunately... the only one Purgatus has over Trauma imo is suppression.

That's kind of it.

[whole oxide]

even if they giga-buffed BR damage, to even 1-shot crushers/reapers, it would still be functionally redunant, 'cos everybody's mowing down everything in less than a second anyway

the only way to make BR useful would be to make everyone else not 1-shot everything

[naive imp]

Yea tbh I think fat shark is going to need to substantially buff the health of the elites or increase their armor so we don’t do as much damage.

[brave fiber]

purgatus is better with spread out hordes, it doesn’t discriminate if you are a grunt or a rager, anything caught in the spread of fire will burn and be stunned

[torn horizon]

gaining warp charges is hard now

[naive imp]

How?

[bleak tulip]

its easier than its ever been

[torn horizon]

for some reason im just not getting alot

[brave fiber]

Something people often also forget about purgatus is that it’s peril gen is incredibly low, you almost never need to quell or use shriek

[ashen schooner]

what are you guys even arguing about? I don't even think he's saying purg is better than trauma/others, just that purg is still good on it's own

[brave fiber]

Especially if you take the quell on kill perk

[bleak tulip]

idk try running vampire I guess

that really speeds it up even more

[brave fiber]

yes

He thinks purg is just straight up bad

[bleak tulip]

no he doesnt

why are you making shit up now

[digital narwhal]

[orchid nest]

I usually play trauma but personally at least if I was taking purg it would be because of its decent monstrosity dps for a psyker compared to trauma, which is its only obvious weakness really. psykers in general I guess

[ashen schooner]

? you could bb anything for them before

[brave fiber]

^

[digital narwhal]

You seem to have misunderstood me.

[bleak tulip]

#psyker-class message

[digital narwhal]

People are putting it to the side

I didn't say it's unusable

[bleak tulip]

no staff is useless

you can absolutely do every mission on every difficulty with any staff

some just do it better than others

[brave fiber]

yes, that is in fact what I said

[digital narwhal]

Man I'm dead.

[whole oxide]

purg right now is like void pre-13. sure, you can use it, but you're deliberately trading power for fun

[digital narwhal]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1143510801991348224/1165966301315997776/crumple.gif?ex=6548c5bc&is=653650bc&hm=24a78bc83033d2258b0564bebb52398cc623f08a55f18d13285e2e76367d34b9&

[bleak tulip]

all I remember is this started over you saying no staff stuns like purg, which is just wrong

[plucky flax]

[brave fiber]

well stunning hordes and elites, other staffs def stun larger units more effectively

never argued the contrary

[whole oxide]

what elite do you think it stuns better?

[digital narwhal]

You said it "Doesn't discriminate", though.

[brave fiber]

Maybe bad wording on my part

[bleak tulip]

I'd rather just not have a staff that specialises in horde clear, a thing thats so ubiquitous on all classes that it doesnt deserve my staff slot

[brave fiber]

The reason I defend purg so much is that I feel like it does horde clear with no strings attached, you hardly have to worry about peril and only need to pull out the occasional dueling sword for carapace

[lethal lagoon]

And then you pub with 3 vets and realize the horde is a bit scary 😱

But yeah, purg feels kind of useless in the current game

Just unneeded

[bleak tulip]

I mean shit power sword just got buffed again even the vets can do it nearly as good as purg again

three vets in a trenchcoat probably has about the same effective cleave

[fresh reef]

who would win against a mid-combo rager, the blitz ability literally designed to stun things or a single Purgatus M1?

[lethal lagoon]

Three vets, at least 2 still think their class is braindead OP and get confused when they get instantly downed.

[brave fiber]

genuinely would use purg m1 lol

[cyan notch]

so is it useless now?

yall gotta make up your minds

[brave fiber]

Purg m1 into swapping for a dueling sword heavy is a great combo

[bleak tulip]

no thats just my opinion

[fresh reef]

Smite is as useful as it was before, which is to say not very

[bleak tulip]

and my opinion is dumb and wrong

[plucky flax]

It is useless because I am assail gamer.

[lethal lagoon]

Smite can horde clear now 🤷‍♂️

And it stuns everything else while horde clearing

[brave fiber]

I enjoy empowered smite a lot

[lethal lagoon]

Kind of like flossing teeth, it's satisfying.

[cyan notch]

who tf says that

[small valve]

I like brain burst

[naive imp]

If assail wasn’t in the game horde clear would matter more for psyker. Lol

[digital narwhal]

Define horde clear

[lethal lagoon]

Kill every mob on screen?

[digital narwhal]

[naive imp]

But…assail

[brave fiber]

Empowered psyonics feels so much more fun than the other keystones imo

[bleak tulip]

meh

[naive imp]

Do you play assail?

[brave fiber]

hardly

[bleak tulip]

I dont even use assail unless I gotta turn my brain on like 2% more than I usually do

and then assail allows me to keep it at 2%

[lethal lagoon]

I mean if I wanted an easy game with assail, I'd just run normal t5s with any build. I want a challenge, mostly.

Assail is still overtunned for the current content

[brave fiber]

give assail like 8 charges instead of 10 and increase cooldown by like 50% and I think it’s balanced

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, make it an "oh shit" move. Anyways enough assail. Fix the surge bug(and buff the surge) so I can run Smitker without ruining the game for everyone playing with me lmao.

[hoary cairn]

can someone tell me if they changed trauma staff in the new patch notes?

[slow heron]

gods... Ragers are nailing me every damn mission atm ^^

[lethal lagoon]

Nice.

[orchid nest]

purg isn't just horde clear though. it's really good at nuking large amounts of mixed elites with how consistently useable creeping flames is stacking soulblaze ontop of your normal stacks compared to AB previously. it has enough weaknesses that I think calling it just horde clear is a bit reductive

[unborn flicker]

👀 don’t you mean God-Emperor

[willow hazel]

It's just any single target weapon can apply soulblaze faster in those situations.

Revolver two elites in ~1 second and that is 6 stacks of soulblaze

[bleak tulip]

sure but I said it specializes in horde clear, its absolutely very nice to have for fuckmassive mixed hordes, if only those werent also filled with crushers

[orchid nest]

things are rarely just in a single radius of perilous and you have it with purg as well. coverage is why purg is good at nuking mixed elites

[willow hazel]

Usually elites come in packs

[orchid nest]

fair enough. although, rending applies to soulblaze and you really should have an uncanny weapon if you are using purg because of this

[unborn flicker]

So instead of blowing up, we should just turn into a daemonhost

Change my mind

[lethal lagoon]

What's everyone running on revolver anyways?

[small valve]

real

[brave fiber]

Hand cannon + surgical is a good one

[small valve]

wipe your whole team for being too close

[lethal lagoon]

I wouldn't mind a "weakened" DH spawning

[proven stirrup]

Yeah the purge staff needs adjusting, it feels terrible now

[brave fiber]

honestly give me rewards for killing a daemonhost

[bleak tulip]

okay but why wait for my soulblaze ticks when I can just 3 shot a crusher with duel 4

[fresh reef]

why though?

[brave fiber]

Avoiding them is too easy

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, actually, it'd be cool if after a psyker blows up, a weakened DH grabs him and team has to kill to revive him.

[proven stirrup]

It lacks the former stopping power because things take longer to kill

[lethal lagoon]

Just play pubs, you'll never avoid a DH again.

[ebon jolt]

Really? I think Purg staff is pretty good. Might feel a bit weak compared to bugged surge staff or a pimped out trauma but I think all staves are viable right now.

[lethal lagoon]

Type in the chat, say it out loud, mark it 1 minute ahead time over and over agian, still a 50% chance of a pub running into it.

[orchid nest]

this just goes back to what we were saying. the duel 4 could be buffing the soulblaze damage against any other crushers around, ontop of whatever mixed elites are there

[whole oxide]

depends how much you enjoy being redunant for 90% of the mission

[brave fiber]

no thank you I’d rather curse out the emperor himself

[orchid nest]

or you can use an executor/uncanny deimos and apply 4 stacks of both with a single charged headshot

[unborn flicker]

Yeah they kill the weakened daemon and we get to come back

[thorn tapir]

So Ive played through 5 games of Scriers Gaze/ Disrupt Destiny psyker...

H O L Y S H I T

the sure DPS you do is insane

with the new columnus 5 i shredded everything in the game while running at 500 mph

[fresh reef]

did they fix DD?

[ebon jolt]

In pubs the really enemy is barrels.

[slow heron]

running it with an auto? neat

[lethal lagoon]

My friends get bored after a week or two of a major patch, but this game scratches my itch, so I largely pub. Premades are waay too easy with current content anyways.

[brave fiber]

ayo shoot me a build

[ebon jolt]

Columbus is my new fav. Feels so good. Buffed fire frenzy is pretty good on it and dumdum is great.

[brave fiber]

(If you don’t mind)

[thorn tapir]

sure give me a second

[small valve]

Hearing loner DH voicelines would be so fucking cool

mumbly german demon

[brave fiber]

It feels sad to not use a third of the psyker tree, I want to actually try gunspsyker

Especially with how cool DD sounds on paper

[ebon jolt]

Try scriers gaze with a laspistol or a Mk5 IAG. Or try the newly buffed MG 1a IL.

[lethal lagoon]

DD should refresh it's timer if a teammate kills the target, nice middle ground between adding a stack.

It's a bit too finicky atm

[bleak tulip]

you kinda need a lotta stacks for that is the main issue

otherwise even with 5 uncanny it doesnt really do as much as you'd want fast enough imo

dont usually have time to apply a fully charged hose on 5 crushers before meleeing

[unborn flicker]

I saw a YouTube video recently that I agreed with, psyker can use a gun, but we will never use it as effectively as a veteran zealot or Ogyrn

[orchid nest]

it's better with a deimos it's true since you can instant stack 4 executor and 4 uncanny with one stab. but yeah you won't be as competent as keeping them back with purg, you'll be hiding behind your team

[brave fiber]

the jfj vid?

[willow hazel]

Why do you think that? It's not like Psyker doesn't just have a bunch +damage nodes that affect range weapons

[unborn flicker]

Yessir

[unborn flicker]

It’s more because our abilities revolve around doing damage with the Warp

[brave fiber]

It’s not that I don’t trust him but he has said he’s played psyker the least out of all the classes

[willow hazel]

We also have abilites that increase Warp Damage on non warp kill.

[unborn flicker]

We don’t really get many benefits other than that one gaze ability

[orchid nest]

tinyangrycrab had a good clip of the damage potential against crushers with a good setup but I can't find it right now because there is a million clips to sift through

[royal granite]

the vast majority of our damage bonuses are universal, not just warp based

[lethal lagoon]

I saw a popular youtube video that rates Og shield as S-tier, I trust them as much as I trust reddit.

[queen fog]

I got a good example of that, warp rider

[ebon jolt]

Psyker has a couple of nodes that other classes wish they had. Mettle, true aim and the range immunity on crit would all be straight busted on vet. They really help to make gun psyker viable.

[queen fog]

Even tho it scales off peril it’s all damage instead of just warp based damage

[lethal lagoon]

You also lose the warp based toughness DR if you go right, which is most of our DR.

[unborn flicker]

#general-chat message

[bleak tulip]

this jsj guy says you wanna stick to one lane on the talent tree, would not recommend

[royal granite]

oh yeah no that's straight up wrong

[brave fiber]

Prob the appeal of the blitzes and melees

[unborn flicker]

Yeah, I don’t agree with that

[bleak tulip]

https://youtu.be/Dgv9M1ow0B8?t=2205

[lethal lagoon]

Content is too easy atm, so you have a ton of just wrong takes being popular.

[bleak tulip]

just kinda bad advice tbh

but hey

[willow hazel]

Perilous Combusion, Maelific Momentum, Warp Rider, Warp Siphon, and DD, +5% ranged damage, 2x +5% crit, etc... all affect guns

[brave fiber]

As much as I love JFJ the dude does have some wrong views on some classes

[royal granite]

anyway there are reasons to take a gun other than trying to be a gunker

[unborn flicker]

I guess my question is, do you think we are able to pack as much of a punch and do more of the prescribed job that one would associate with a pysker(elite killers) with a gun as compared to with a staff?

[lethal lagoon]

Revolver is pretty dumb atm, and you still have your blitz ability, so yes.

[brave fiber]

I think the main benefit is being able to use a gun effectively while also being able to use psyker’s blitzes

[queen fog]

Depends what staff ur comparing to pew pew gun, whichever it is is a pretty uphill battle for the guns

[royal granite]

like i bring a revolver on a few builds just to pop enemies out of power range

[queen fog]

Considering the staffs have “infinite” ammo if u can manage peril

[unborn flicker]

Voidstrike has been 👌🏻🔥🎉