When I left click, that charge resets a lot
#psyker-class
frigid sparrow
brave fiber
smite can cc hordes for a long time
frigid sparrow
It's really clunky
royal falcon
smite has more uptime and zaps more targets at the cost of poor damage
unborn flicker
When I left click, that charge resets a lot
Make sure you’re looking at a target
velvet spear
interesting, thanks
is anyone running both smite and lightning staff? or have they introduced a redundancy
floral harness
Need some help with my build. I'm doing a lightning one
fierce crest
potent echo
What, me? Or someone else 
fierce crest
they should also give it gibbing like surge staff 
stable silo
actually kinetic flayer was pretty clutch for gunker
take that assault pistol pepper a crusher with 10 bullets in 2 seconds and insta proc BB tossing fire all around it and on it
the trick was to initially target the big boi then spray down the horde
spice veldt
hmm what combos can I do now that the force sword push-attacks have a 10m range
man melee psyker with illisi is back on the table for me
stable silo
wait they buffed push range ?
i thought it was just dmg and att speed to amke up for no more infi dodge
spice veldt
wait they buffed push range ?
it's some good shit #psyker-class message
stable silo
ohshi!! maybe i pre emptivly dropped all my ordos on making a good mk 4 duel
humble bolt
i got the best psyker drip
spice veldt
although I always run assail, having some built-in reactive stagger built into force swords is going to be real fun
potent echo
Did they add new cosmetics?
spice veldt
not a fan of the animation blocking your sight, but it is what it is
idle bay
not a fan of the animation blocking your sight, but it is what it is
Clean Block Mod
potent echo
hmm what combos can I do now that the force sword push-attacks have a 10m range
Wait what 
spice veldt
the hand still blocks the center of your screen
i wanna see a trapper get knocked onto their fuckin asses
those motherfuckers
potent echo
Yoo
lunar hollow
hmm what combos can I do now that the force sword push-attacks have a 10m range
i
what
spice veldt
get out, zealot main
idle bay
those motherfuckers
I preffer them DEAD not K.O.ed
unborn flicker
Bro, I want to be able to use that force sword push to push grenades and shit back
lunar hollow
get out, zealot main
fucku
stable silo
oh wow when did they revert the 10%-5% elite dmg aura nerf
unborn flicker
That would be bad ass
lunar hollow
oh wow when did they revert the 10%-5% elite dmg aura nerf
the same time as they buffed the 10% elite damage node on vet to 15%
potent echo
When you got 4 ragers coming you can control them with the push, now you can do it from up to 10m wtf
unborn flicker
I’m pretty happy with that
stable silo
thats hot like soulburn hot
unborn flicker
But I want more
stable silo
they stagger ragers now?
potent echo
They always staggered ragers
stable silo
tell that to my face
potent echo
Or rather push them on their ass
stable silo
cause it got axed
potent echo
Push attack* not push
unborn flicker
Yeah, I got to say the special attack on staffs is not really all that
potent echo
Does it stagger ragers at least
unborn flicker
Maybe if it like, applied something similar to the staffs power type to the enemy you whack it with
So, like whacking an enemy with the special attack of a purge, staff sets them on fire
potent echo
I think it would be better if it quelled 20 peril per hit
idle bay
They removed relible stun-lock from shovel special for Ogryns... and added it to the SLAP from the clubs....
potent echo
They removed relible stun-lock from shovel special for Ogryns... and added it to...
I really don't know why
Although shovel is already so much better than clubs
So maybe it's for balance
idle bay
Now Ogryns can bitch-slap Plagueogryns and DH and Chaos spawns into submission
Good buy my Poopscooper 40k the best shovel ever sigh
pine nova
why do I find shit like this on psyker instead of on my zealot 😭
potent echo
Don't despair yet, maybe it's bricked
pine nova
that is what I will tell myself
potent echo
Take EP and surge staff and watch everything die
olive ember
@digital narwhal this you?
digital narwhal
Imposter
chrome patrol
Take EP and surge staff and watch everything die
lol
digital narwhal
Plus, I have a full beard
stable silo
hes you but cooler cause hes bald
digital narwhal
Not a soul patch
stable silo
ya well my ogryn has the best back story
his name is Ogrin because every just said hey Ogryn come here or Ogryn move that box so he just assumes his name is Ogrin
digital narwhal
My Ogryn:
Ate some bad nosh.
Got tummy ache.
Mistaken as Nurgle Cultist.
Now works for In-kwee-zish-un.
spice veldt
not scab bruisers but you win some and you lose some
digital narwhal
stable silo
also i picked that giant underbite grin ugly asf grin face so it works
if only i wasnt so in love with psyker id play him more poor bastard
shy prairie
can confirm surge with the funny thing is the ultimate power fantasy
analog agate
This is what the surge can do atm… its kinda good
acoustic osprey
strong gulch
yee.
stable silo
u guys think quick shards is worth taking?
id prob have to drop either peril combust or malf momentum i dont really wana drop 50% aura or truestrike
olive ember
eh
past helm
i rolled myself a pretty solid surge staff, what goes well with it nowadays?
olive ember
do you value getting shards back every 1.4s instead of every 2s
past helm
havent tried it since before new trees
past helm
what bug
olive ember
if you take empowered psionics it gets the +125% damage on rmb
olive ember
if you take smite it gets the +1 target and +10% damage on targets hit
lol
plasma is pretty good rn
lethal lagoon
Probably worth using the surge bug at least once. Be the Unlimited Power meme.
After that, don't ruin other people's gameplay experience lmao
fresh reef
It's so weird how the steam forums have the most consistently braindead takes
lethal lagoon
Imagine the average steam forum user as a rabid right or left-wing person, and everything makes sense. They have some wild dicussions go down in there.
south jay
What are good blessing for the Deimos MkIV?
lethal plover
surge will be fixed later right?
cedar zenith
5-8 business weeks
idle bay
Meanwhile - let's have fun with Surge
undone carbon
just got shoved through the floor by a spawn and fell to the bottom of the map
yippee
spice veldt
u guys think quick shards is worth taking?
if you plan on spamming assail thens ure
the 50 damage nerf really was absolutely inconsequential
at least we get a cool purple effect for crits
old aurora
so... am I tripping or is the staff melee like kinda not ass anymore?
as in, its a lot faster now
lethal plover
just read the changelog. a lot of lines for that
feral knoll
Is taking the Soulblaze add on for Vent Shriek better if I take all the other Soulblaze perks?
north cradle
Hol up, I get up to 15% bonus Warp Damage on crits, and I get two or more crits on an Assail needle with True Aim? I'm abusing the hell out of this
primal radish
soulblaze with shriek is like almost always mandatory for the value
feral knoll
I figured you probably get more out of it Vs the damage from the other modifier
olive ember
It's so weird how the steam forums have the most consistently braindead takes
better or worse than reddit
cedar zenith
Worse
idle bay
And there are official fatshark forums. Don't know where to put them on that scale
At least bug report sections is useful 🙂
lethal plover
do people charge smite (right click) or uncharged smite ? Feels like charging is so quick
cedar zenith
You’re inting if you aren’t charging it
fresh reef
better or worse than reddit
Far worse because people are incentivized to post shit takes (clown awards give steam points)
lethal lagoon
I geniunely don't get what the left click on smite is for
lethal plover
it used to rule the world
olive ember
I geniunely don't get what the left click on smite is for
its supposed to be the damage option
kekw
paper loom
I've noticed gun psyker much better since the patch, what has changed that improves it? I use scryers with it
restive stone
fringe sapphire
Nothing changed about Assail's spammyness tho, no?
feral knoll
Deimos or Chainsword?
unique mist
can someone check if Wildfire is actually working at all?
near wyvern
Nothing changed about Assail's spammyness tho, no?
correct, only minor damage nerf but as spammable as before
near wyvern
can someone check if Wildfire is actually working at all?
I will soon, but most likely it's still as bugged as before, check atheneum for the bugs
regal jasper
Deimos or Chainsword?
I like deimos
near wyvern
lmao there is a new bug for wildfire
the effect is applied after death animation not upon death
unique mist
I will soon, but most likely it's still as bugged as before, check atheneum for ...
checked athaneum, saw that you said the killed enemy needs at least 2 stacks to spread, so i think that was the issue i was encountering
feral knoll
So it’s basically later than it should be?
near wyvern
So it’s basically later than it should be?
yes, it used to be on death, now it's after death animation
with all the old bugs still in place
acoustic spade
I feel like I need to make a fifth character thats a second psyker
unique mist
also i'm seeing that Wildfire takes the current number of soulblaze stacks and reduces it by 1 when spreading soulblaze
acoustic spade
so I get to play more Psyker per week after finishing my main psyker's contracts
unique mist
which is a big bummer and not how i thought it would work
near wyvern
so I get to play more Psyker per week after finishing my main psyker's contracts
don't bother, it doesn't take long to hit the point where you have nothing to spend melk bucks on
plus you would have to farm a second set of gear which takes way too much time because crafting is * * * *
acoustic spade
don't bother, it doesn't take long to hit the point where you have nothing to sp...
You say that, but I only have 7k Melk coins right now and only have like 3 IV blessings as a whole surrendered
And I do want to gear up all 4 characters
unique mist
or it looks like wildfire has soulblaze stacks falloff? i am so confused ngl
acoustic spade
or it looks like wildfire has soulblaze stacks falloff? i am so confused ngl
Do you have the debuff display thingy? If you kill an enemy with 5 stacks, the surrounding enemies get 4 stacks, but if you kill enemy with 4 stacks, the surrounding enemies get 3 stacks?
unique mist
well i'm on console so i'm going off psykanium damage numbers
near wyvern
You say that, but I only have 7k Melk coins right now and only have like 3 IV bl...
your best bet of getting tier 4 blessings is to pour your plasteel into 370+ base weapons and upgrading them all the way to orange
melk is just this random 'nice, I'll grab it'
unique mist
but i kill an enemy with 6 soulblaze stacks taking about 40 damage per tick, and the nearest enemy takes 6 damage per tick from the soulblaze spread. then the enemy next to that one takes only 2 damage per tick
i kill the guy taking 6 damage per tick and when that one spreads, the affected enemies only take 2 damage per tick
acoustic spade
I dont have enough Plasteel to upgrade all of the curios I want to orange rn so I see Melk as the primary way to find the IV blessings
wheat quartz
hey siblings, is the "melee critical chance" bit of the surge staff's critical bonus stat mislabeled?
acoustic spade
especially since I am not a big fan of just grinding plasteel 200 units per mission
wheat quartz
lightning, naturally, cannot melee
unique mist
no it is referring to the bonk (joking)
burnt island
That feeling when you, the brain bursting+void staff psyker, beats an assail+surge psyker at kills and damage in all areas. :/
solar sand
any reason to?
acoustic spade
That feeling when you, the brain bursting+void staff psyker, beats an assail+sur...
Voidstrike does that to a person
its faster at dealing damage in hordes than Assail
and thats good
burnt island
I was chasing the brainburst 4 elites in 12 seconds penance too. Wth.
I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since I saw update dropped its damage a tad.
acoustic spade
Also if he was running Surge staff
that Surge staff isnt the best at dealing damage in hordes
solar sand
well its kinda busted now
burnt island
I assume he had it for the elites, but the guy was using assail like a primary weapon.
solar sand
i near solod and auric 5 earlier using the bug
acoustic spade
i near solod and auric 5 earlier using the bug
The bug?
burnt island
Lol don't tell me the infinite smite bug still works.
acoustic spade
I assume he had it for the elites, but the guy was using assail like a primary w...
As most assail psykers do
near wyvern
i kill the guy taking 6 damage per tick and when that one spreads, the affected ...
tried this and could not replicate this
burnt island
I mean, I can't judge him, but I at least try to use my laspistol anytime outside of horde just to keep the game fun for the other 3.
near wyvern
burn a guy for 6 stacks, spawn 3 targerts, kill 6 stack guy
- two targets will get 1 stacks, one will get 2 stacks
kill the target with 2 stacks
- the other two guys will get one stack each
solar sand
Lol don't tell me the infinite smite bug still works.
not quite
but it is a smite bug
if you equip empowering
it applies to the surge staff smite
and doesnt consume the stacks
so it does insane damage
and chains more
burnt island
Yikes so it sounds like there was one far worse.
acoustic spade
isnt that sorta old
burnt island
First I've heard of it since i'm not a psyker main
acoustic spade
the Smite talents affecting Surge staff was in the last patch as well
acoustic spade
it's more obvious
I guess this is the case here
solar sand
before this applied
acoustic spade
with the EP damage boost being a lot higher
unique mist
burn a guy for 6 stacks, spawn 3 targerts, kill 6 stack guy
- two targets will g...
Oh wait is that what you meant by "stacks are always spread evenly"
solar sand
i feel like someone woulda mentioned that
acoustic spade
or did it before?
It was just +30% damage before so it was harder to spot
unique mist
I thought that meant that all targets will get the same number of stacks
near wyvern
Oh wait is that what you meant by "stacks are always spread evenly"
yes, it's 1 1 1 1 to four targets if available, if only three is available and you have 4+ stacks on the target that dies it's 1 1 2
lethal lagoon
I love how the bug reveals smite is really just copy and pasted surge.
near wyvern
the game prioritizes giving out the stacks to as many egligible targets as there are
lethal lagoon
I'd love to see how they coded it.
acoustic spade
I love how the bug reveals smite is really just copy and pasted surge.
sometimes I wish it was just copy-pasted surge
the Left-Click of smite could use some love
onyx sentinel
poxwalker -> maniac damage, barrage -> warp flurry?
don't feel like rolling another one
acoustic spade
I'd probably just change both perks of that one myself but 🤷♂️
kind jay
left click smite should drop a bolt from zeus himself
acoustic spade
left click smite should drop a bolt from zeus himself
It should atleast do something in the first 5 seconds of you channeling it
now it just feels like a weird way to increase peril
lethal lagoon
Left click smite is useless, so might as well make it something cool like a Ogryn punch, but psyker version.
potent blade
does ranged crit chance on a melee weapon apply when you are not wearing it?
hoary badge
No
onyx sentinel
I'd probably just change both perks of that one myself but 🤷♂️
what's the point of terrifying barrage on trauma lol
just tested and your aoe stagger is literally already bigger than the rmb indicator
near wyvern
what's the point of terrifying barrage on *trauma* lol
there is no point
on many things
purgatus with enough cloud radius also supresses enemies behind you
near wyvern
just tested and your aoe stagger is literally already bigger than the rmb indica...
yes the indicator shows the area of epicenter, that's where you will get the damage and tickle anything else
however, blazing spirit on crit lights up even those hit by the outer radius
acoustic spade
just tested and your aoe stagger is literally already bigger than the rmb indica...
I sometimes use the LMB on the trauma to quickly shoot some trash off my face
compact cargo
people are sleeping on vraks 9
burnt island
I like to play gun psyker. Any reason for me to go down the disrupt destiny tree instead of just obtaining warp charges?
lethal lagoon
If you disrupt destiny enough, the game master will start spawning massive amounts of disablers. But if you survive you get a bonus reward at the end for overcoming a changed destiny.
burnt island
Lol if that were true, I'd just be running it endlessly to annoy the others.
cobalt bone
Is the right keystone worth using ever over the left one ?
burnt island
I use the left just for that 24% base damage boost at 6 warp charges for 25s before losing 1, but upgrading the right one will give you 30% at max precision stack for 15s before losing 1
cobalt bone
You loose all stacks tho
burnt island
After 15s? I gotta test this.
burnt island
Can't really test it myself in meat grinder unfortunately since it doesn't really mark targets in there.
spice veldt
you go down disrupt destiny if you don't have enough points to invest into warp siphon
spice veldt
Can't really test it myself in meat grinder unfortunately since it doesn't reall...
targets get marked if you turn off invisibility
cobalt bone
Warp siphon is generally better than disrupt destiny?
whole oxide
disrupt destiny honestly just needs to be reworked, it actively makes you play worse
native plover
i think Smite is fine now. Used it a bunch yesterday with Surge. Had no problems really. Worked pretty well with things that vent perils with warp kills
austere wadi
Is the surge staff bug found out yet?
native plover
Surge is bugged?
spice veldt
i like it as a crack addict keystone
austere wadi
Yeah, its getting smite's Empowered Psionic buff on when you got a stack for it. It gives it 125% bonus damage and it chains to 3 targets instead of 2
spice veldt
and also because i don't have enough points to go down warp siphon and I don't care for Puppet Master and Solidity
harsh urchin
so arco I'm trying out the bug abusing surge build that does double damage
spice veldt
mhm
spice veldt
:pensive:
harsh urchin
like it doesnt even feel THAT overpowered
all of ogryn and zealots shit
feels that strong
austere wadi
Its a lil too strong lol, when you can 2 pop every elite in the game, except for ogryn which takes 3, its a bit too powerful
carmine agate
Im just glad i can 1 shot doggies
spice veldt
if it's two-popping then that doesn't sound so bad
the mk4 can do it a little faster except your limited to melee
so it is what it is
austere wadi
granted, without the bug, surge staff kinda feels like ass and takes 4-5 charges to kill a mauler
carmine agate
austere wadi
Maybe fix the bug and give it a middle-ground buff?\
spice veldt
should've made surge a quake lightning gun
native plover
granted, without the bug, surge staff kinda feels like ass and takes 4-5 charges...
if only we had grenades and weapons, built for this purpose
harsh urchin
granted, without the bug, surge staff kinda feels like ass and takes 4-5 charges...
without the bug the staff legitimately is unplayable LOL
you have to surge surge surge, quell, surge surge
and bam
maybe something is dead
carmine agate
I just like shooting lightning
still hearth
Just double the damage of the single target staff
austere wadi
Someone in hear earlier, few days ago, was trying to convince people of how good surge is
I guess he was just bug abusing before people realized there was a bug lol
carmine agate
There was no bug b4 ytd update
native plover
Surge not bad. Surge funny. Surge go lightning!
native plover
Even if considered bad by all, i will still use!
austere wadi
well before it was only a 50% increase
still hearth
Go ahead
spice veldt
it was just that no one noticed it right?
austere wadi
so might not have been as noticable
spice veldt
it was only a +30% increase in damage
still hearth
Just don't tell people it's good
austere wadi
30%
carmine agate
Ye didnt hit many thresholds i guess
frigid sparrow
Surge needs +1 chain + damage buff
still hearth
And you didn't run Emp with it
native plover
You can't stop me
frigid sparrow
Just make it default man
still hearth
Surge needs +1 chain + damage buff
The chain does nothing
kind jay
if EP affected surge prepatch no one would have noticed because they were using warp charges anyways
same damage
still hearth
Ye
austere wadi
If they fix the bug but make it chain to 3 targets to deal full damage to all 3, I'd be happy with that tbh
spice veldt
If they fix the bug but make it chain to 3 targets to deal full damage to all 3,...
no
carmine agate
Full dmge to 3..
still hearth
The chain even with Emp doesn't kill shooters or poxwalkers
carmine agate
austere wadi
The chain even with Emp doesn't kill shooters or poxwalkers
doesn't even kill the zombies
carmine agate
Yeh single target is stonks enough
spice veldt
people really like their aim assist weapons being strong
austere wadi
is it even useful?
carmine agate
Make the rager just fall on the floor with headshot
still hearth
Yeah but skill isn't rewarded in this game
spice veldt
fatshark needs to add a precision force staff with better raw DPS so that I can tell people to go use it
still hearth
So might as well
cobalt bone
New staff?
carmine agate
True i might as well just stab w mk4
spice veldt
such a mechanically dead class god damn
carmine agate
still hearth
fatshark needs to add a precision force staff with better raw DPS so that I can ...
Voidstrike 
carmine agate
But bonking with a staff is funny
spice veldt
oh well, more time for my brain to be off
spice veldt
Voidstrike <:ShivaSmug2:630580026047332352>
true voidstrike very hard to aim
still hearth
Hahaha
spice veldt
therefore purg better
austere wadi
Play gunker if you wanna boast about "skill"
carmine agate
If they fix this bug
still hearth
Vraks 7 now strong
spice veldt
Play gunker if you wanna boast about "skill"
i do
austere wadi
gun psyker is really fun, more fun than surge spam imo
spice veldt
i just want precision options that aren't guns
austere wadi
just a bit harder since dealing with bulwarks and gunner spam is rough
cobalt bone
Im liking revolver psyker much
solar sand
my last 3 emps rewards
carmine agate
Gun psyker
cobalt bone
But im only playing on heresy
still hearth
@spice veldt they'll add one and it'll do half the damage of the AoE staves
cobalt bone
Cant talk much for auric
austere wadi
rev build is super satisfying
cobalt bone
Yee super satisfying
still hearth
Lemme just oneshot five gunners rq
carmine agate
With mk4 and surge
austere wadi
really love just going loads of crit speed build. Spamming melee against a horde and the gunner spam misses all their attacks cause you auto dodge
cobalt bone
Deals decently with bulwarks and such
austere wadi
las pistol is pretty more effective tbh, but rev is just too satisfying
bleak tulip
it is the year 2023, every class uses revolver
cobalt bone
Bb deals with the rest
potent echo
ogryn revolver when
austere wadi
ogryn revolver when
their revolver is a grenade launcher
potent echo
the only thing revolving is the enemy spawns
bleak tulip
though I low key refuse to use it on anything but zealot
native plover
their revolver is a grenade launcher
think you mean rippergun'
cobalt bone
Revolver is too complicated to reload
carmine agate
1 bullet revolver for ogryn
solar sand
its actually nice cause you can do it like a shotgun
austere wadi
Ogryn needs to have a crusher 2handed weapon
Give em a big block of concrete at the end of rebar. Or just any 2-hander
solar sand
and fire mid reload
carmine agate
Called rumblef 
strong gulch
I only play casual T5s, so it's probably that experience talking; but I thought surge was fine pre patch 14 ep smite bug. Nothing over the moon but also not bad. I liked it.
I could usually get maulers with two charges. One needing to crit.
carmine agate
Yeh ogryn need rock on a stick
solar sand
im using smite now, like actual smite with empower
and its really good for hoard clear
carmine agate
Oh?
solar sand
with how i have it build
strong gulch
But I also get that compared to void, assail, or even trauma impact was missing for a lot of people.
solar sand
like as good or better than assail now
bleak tulip
fatshark needs to add a precision force staff with better raw DPS so that I can ...
left click staff 
carmine agate
I mean my main horde clear is the creeping flames w smite
bleak tulip
challenge mode
half iron
skrillex bass drop
spice veldt
true the LMB is pretty good
austere wadi
smite do be pretty good. Even if you just spam it into a horde, you stagger everything that you don't kill. Your team of smoothbrains can deal with the big elite lads when they can't fight back
legit the skill to carry all the bad players
bleak tulip
LMB is dope now
spice veldt
i have the fullauto mod so I won't give myself RSI using it
cobalt bone
Its rly fast
bleak tulip
still wish it was a little less fucky to aim but its fine just spam lmao
carmine agate
I like lmb
cobalt bone
Pretty accurate now too
carmine agate
Now i can hit far away snipers with surge staff lmb
native plover
Precision force staff? That's Voidstrike if you can aim
carmine agate
austere wadi
barely even need to aim voidstrike
just aim over the cover and it sitll hits the dudes behind it
spice veldt
something more snappy than a voidstrike as well
and has more firerate, because god damn I hate its slow fire rate
austere wadi
imagine if assail wasn't auto-aim
native plover
Wrong class then
spice veldt
it's a charging + projectile weapon
austere wadi
would be more fun imo
spice veldt
at least they buffed the ammo pool on the IAGs
still hearth
Give us assail staff without homing
carmine agate
Rapid fire lmb puffs
austere wadi
I think surge staff is the fastest with the right traits on it
radiant lance
Any point in buying (2.4k) this on Psyker?
native plover
Oh no i mean right click firing
but i can fire pretty damn quickly on my left click on my Surge
austere wadi
Do you mean charge rate?
still hearth
Any point in buying (2.4k) this on Psyker?
Not amazing blessings and perks
austere wadi
cause I still think surge charges faster than purge
lethal plover
smite psyker is now amazing eh
carmine agate
Yeh
still hearth
Surge has shortest charge time by far
radiant lance
smite psyker is now amazing eh
How so?
austere wadi
Smite can kill hordes much faster now
lethal plover
How so?
I have actually been doing top damage and killing the most enemies by combining smite with soulblaze shriek
still hearth
"much"
austere wadi
its twice as fast now when you got Emp
carmine agate
I mainly deal top dmge frm surge staff
still hearth
That's 100% Shriek
carmine agate
radiant lance
Smite can kill hordes much faster now
Are you trolling lol
carmine agate
True shriek kills the horde in a few secs at 6 stacks
austere wadi
Are you trolling lol
1 charge of smite is enough to kill a horde of mook zombies
burnt island
Okay. Played a match with disrupt destiny tree. Eh... Sucks I lose the whole stack
austere wadi
at the cost of 100% peril lol
burnt island
Might as well stick with warp charges
lethal plover
at the cost of 100% peril lol
smite is easiest way to max peril for shriek
still hearth
smite is easiest way to max peril for shriek
Dis true
radiant lance
1 charge of smite is enough to kill a horde of mook zombies
Huh, I tested it just now, it actually is
austere wadi
disrupt is only really useful in aggressive gameplay
I use disrupt on my gun build
radiant lance
1 charge of smite is enough to kill a horde of mook zombies
Has to be empowred tho
austere wadi
Has to be empowred tho
yeh, try using surge staff with Emp btw
carmine agate
Itsok w surge staff im always empowered
native plover
True, but damage is not the point of the smite anyway, lol. It's nice bonus imo
lethal plover
purple smoke?
burnt island
I'm using it on my laspistol+knife psyker. The randomness of the targets makes it difficult to keep the stack up. I don't want to tunnel vission
lethal plover
right, the true fps killer
still hearth
I'm using it on my laspistol+knife psyker. The randomness of the targets makes i...
It's slightly deterministic
carmine agate
Esp frm a horde
radiant lance
yeh, try using surge staff with Emp btw
Why would Surge be affected by Emp?
burnt island
Lol, sounds like I'd be playing time crisis
carmine agate
Bcos funny lightning
still hearth
Why would Surge be affected by Emp?
Because its attack are called Smite
austere wadi
Why would Surge be affected by Emp?
its bugged, the 125% damage bonus to smite applies to surge lightning now
radiant lance
yeh, try using surge staff with Emp btw
Nvm by the way, doesn't actually kill waves, I'll make a video to show
austere wadi
well, it applied to it before but no one noticed with the 30% emp damage
lethal plover
current smite psyker can solo entire hordes even with gunner dog trapper at the back. and it's amazing. I saw someone clutch through entire hordes
carmine agate
Stonks lightning build
austere wadi
Nvm by the way, doesn't actually kill waves, I'll make a video to show
You need to have a Emp charge to buff your surge staff damage
still hearth
current smite psyker can solo entire hordes even with gunner dog trapper at the ...
So could Purgatus, Voidstrike, Trauma, illisi, chainsword..
lethal plover
So could Purgatus, Voidstrike, Trauma, illisi, chainsword..
not so easily. smite just fast disables everyone
in fact it might be nerfed soon lol
radiant lance
current smite psyker can solo entire hordes even with gunner dog trapper at the ...
It actually can't, the targeting limit is somewhere between 20-30.
austere wadi
So could Purgatus, Voidstrike, Trauma, illisi, chainsword..
smite is the most brainless method, easy enough for any smooth brain to use
carmine agate
its ok. Assail will be nerfed soon right? 
radiant lance
not so easily. smite just fast disables everyone
I wouldn't say Smite is fast. The delay in targeting, spreading, and disabling is pretty brutal when you need it out quickly.
native plover
in fact it might be nerfed soon lol
Probably not, it disables, not kill fast.
still hearth
I wouldn't say Smite is fast. The delay in targeting, spreading, and disabling i...
At disabling? Yes
Killing is still slow af
lethal plover
it does kill when you build properly with soulblaze shriek
austere wadi
you dont go smite to kill shit fast, you pick it to stagger the entire map of enemies so your teammates can play on easy mode
severe folio
damn i play zealot so much i forgot how to play psyker already
radiant lance
At disabling? Yes
To me the delay feels terrible
carmine agate
I mainly use smite
carmine agate
To shove the entite horde on the floor
lethal plover
smite is the fastest way to get shriek, and then soulblaze perks just combine
radiant lance
Especially when it doesn't prioritize close enemies
still hearth
Melk hates everyone
native plover
Nerfing smite's ability to disable things would be counterproductive to what it's meant to be doing
carmine agate
I just shove them all then shriek w max stacks
And they probably die b4 they get up
severe folio
meeleing as psyker feels painful now lol
radiant lance
Nerfing smite's ability to disable things would be counterproductive to what it'...
On the contrary I think Smite needs to disable things faster
still hearth
Nerfing smite's ability to disable things would be counterproductive to what it'...
It's meant to be useless?
radiant lance
I still feel like is Smite is the worst option of the 3
bleak tulip
meant to be a literal blank slot 
still hearth
BR is definitely worse imo
carmine agate
I enjoy smite alot bcos
still hearth
Single target slow damage is yuck
native plover
I still feel like is Smite is the worst option of the 3
i would agree if i saw someone actually using scrier which i never do
austere wadi
I still feel like is Smite is the worst option of the 3
assail is the worst of the 3 imo
radiant lance
Single target slow damage is yuck
The utility of it for killing Crushers, Bulwarks is unmatched by the other options. And the fact you only need to actually target the enemy for a split second is also very useful.
austere wadi
i would agree *if i saw someone actually using scrier* which i never do
I use Scriers with my Gunker build, pairs pretty well with Disrupt Destiny
radiant lance
i would agree *if i saw someone actually using scrier* which i never do
Scrier is an ability, I was talking about Blitz
thin finch
Someone in hear earlier, few days ago, was trying to convince people of how good...
was it fixed ? cuz it was doing thing before
radiant lance
assail is the worst of the 3 imo
?
carmine agate
True but.. lots of staves wreck armored stuff too
still hearth
The utility of it for killing Crushers, Bulwarks is unmatched by the other optio...
Except that Crushers and Bulwarks are currently jokes for every Psyker staff so idk
lethal plover
assail currently doesn't feel as powerful as before since surge smite psyker kills things faster and controls better now.
austere wadi
was it fixed ? cuz it was doing thing before
Nope! Its just much more noticable now lol
radiant lance
Except that Crushers and Bulwarks are currently jokes for every Psyker staff so ...
Fair. Except for Purg I suppose.
thin finch
Nope! Its just much more noticable now lol
I answered to the wrong message, it was about the chain ,me dum dum 😦
austere wadi
OH lol
thin finch
I will just try it anyway
still hearth
Fair. Except for Purg I suppose.
Unless you have Uncanny on your melee because then the fire pops pretty well on Crushers
thin finch
I do enjoy bb sound
CHRONCH
carmine agate
radiant lance
Unless you have Uncanny on your melee because then the fire pops pretty well on ...
Don't have the gear for that
severe folio
damn i fukin hate shock trooper
carmine agate
Mk4 duel truly the sword of all time
native plover
The fact that Sienna have BB in vermintide but it's actually useful there hurts
still hearth
And Mk 4 ds with Purgatus is very good crusher damage
austere wadi
The fact that Sienna have BB in vermintide but it's actually useful there hurts
fights in Vtide are much more easier to manage cause theres no ranged spam
thin finch
The chain does nothing
Chain still works 
thin finch
fights in Vtide are much more easier to manage cause theres no ranged spam
it's also faster
lethal plover
BB would be more useful if the game has a small amount of ranged threats
when faced against a bunch of trash gunners, BB ain't the answer
strong gulch
bruh
thin finch
Plus on a staff on which you can regular shot at the same time
strong gulch
It's actually worse
still hearth
Chain still works <:loregryn:1036580674741731379>
My statement is about the usefulness of it not whether it works
severe folio
new staff but its just lmb and its automatic
lethal plover
play vet
thin finch
My statement is about the usefulness of it not whether it works
oh well that's another topic 
unique mist
firstly, they should let BB crit. secondly, they should add a perk that makes BB spread to multiple targets on a crit with BB
austere wadi
I do wish we had fine tuned melee combat like vtide in darkttide. Darktide's melee combat feels so clunky and inconsistent. Especially against ragers, those guys feel like they got twice as much reach than they should and don't have many windows to get in, hit them, then back out because of that janky reach of theirs.
carmine agate
I want bb to explode the target like a booooomb
thin finch
it is shit tho for the third target, like penny little winny damage
unique mist
I want bb to explode the target like a booooomb
me too
austere wadi
it is shit tho for the third target, like penny little winny damage
3rd chain is just for the stun tbh
native plover
firstly, they should let BB crit. secondly, they should add a perk that makes BB...
It'd be like an Ork weirdboy taking in too much waagh energy and explode himself and all nearby!
unique mist
It'd be like an Ork weirdboy taking in too much waagh energy and explode himself...
imagine how satisfying it would be to BB someone and theres that like crack sound of the BB going off and their brain exploding and it just chaining to multiple targets in quick succession, like
crack, crack crack, crack crack crack
and they should let the chainable BBs have a higher chance to crit and let them chain too
so on occasion your BB just takes out a spawn wave
imagien
lethal plover
I do wish we had fine tuned melee combat like vtide in darkttide. Darktide's mel...
every enemy is part of the puzzle design. rager is to make melee combat feel dangerous, but even so there are plenty of ways to disable them.
native plover
and they should let the chainable BBs have a higher chance to crit and let them ...
Nah, that'd be broken
unique mist
dammit
austere wadi
every enemy is part of the puzzle design. rager is to make melee combat feel dan...
I'm not saying I struggle with ragers, I'm saying that their hitbox is janky
native plover
but letting it crit and then chain to a few nearby targets if it does would be cool, i agree on that
carmine agate
Bb shld stagger monstrosities like rock 
austere wadi
would be nice if it did
thin finch
imagine how satisfying it would be to BB someone and theres that like crack soun...
Once again we are blessed gamer are not game designer
austere wadi
other classes have easy chain stagger on bosses
thin finch
Bb shld stagger monstrosities like rock <:blobkittyheh:725468174455406602>
4 rock vs infinite BB so no
burnt island
Lol I am glad psykers cannot chain brain burst like that.
Just go with assail, man.
thin finch
People here always forgot our blitz ability are only limited by peril which is infinite
still hearth
BB should actually kill things
native plover
Also man i'd like shriek with smite but i'd immediately miss my Shield ability
thin finch
BB should actually kill things
That one I agree
having to two BB a dog in damnation hurts
austere wadi
sadness...
still hearth
having to two BB a dog in damnation hurts
You don't with warp Rider anymore
native plover
Insert Emperor singing how could this happen to me
austere wadi
BB is just depressing to use in damnation
lethal plover
Also man i'd like shriek with smite but i'd immediately miss my Shield ability
I thought so too, but I quickly realized
smite shriek just disables and kills all the ranged gunners at medium range. the only main tradeoff is snipers at long range.
austere wadi
I thought so too, but I quickly realized
smite shriek just disables and kills a...
voidstrike for the super long range? 🤔
carmine agate
I just bob and weave till im close enough to surge
thin finch
You don't with warp Rider anymore
should be base ,I think many target now escape BR with just a sliver of health which is worst I think, but yeah warp rider (or scriers if you are masochistics) help you go above that
carmine agate
If nt i LMb and pray
still hearth
should be base <:megachingryn:1091154281773674576> ,I think many target now esca...
I don't disagree but warp Rider is basically required imo
burnt island
Lol spear gameplay
native plover
Give the staff to the ogryn to throw as spear
lethal plover
ok I honestly don't know the point of purg anymore. Smite literally murders hordes for breakfast.
native plover
or better yet, throw us
burnt island
Didn't know we were playing Kerillian expansion
native plover
Toss me!
thin finch
I don't disagree but warp Rider is basically required imo
Anyway warp ride is kind of a 'constant pick" on the tree so izokay I guess, plus your reach the brekpoint while loading bb so your should never have that moment when the dog do not die unless you quell 10% peril on kill during charging
still hearth
ok I honestly don't know the point of purg anymore. Smite literally murders hord...
It kills way better than Smite
thin finch
which would be extremely funny to happens honestly
still hearth
Anyway warp ride is kind of a 'constant pick" on the tree so izokay I guess, plu...
I thinkt even at 0% peril it hits the BP
lethal plover
smite has way better range and stops cold even crushers
thin finch
I thinkt even at 0% peril it hits the BP
the first bonus is at 20% so I don't think it does, ima check tho
still hearth
Ahh no a bit off actually
thin finch
(oh no Warpride give 10% base too, I forgor)
thin finch
Cuz you know, text do not say
lethal plover
well, we'll see how they nerf psykers next time
native plover
we don't need nerf now
still hearth
Yes we do
native plover
Not with the other classes equally strong or better lol
still hearth
Assail needs more nerfs
Voidstrike
Trauma
Perilous Combustion
But lots of things needs buffs
potent echo
how do you nerf trauma tho
still hearth
Or reworks
potent echo
nerf the range?
potent echo
like conflag huh
still hearth
Or reduce the damage
thin finch
Perilous Combustion
Pc is ifne let him have 3 stacks
potent echo
no reduce damage pls
spice veldt
Pc is ifne let him have 3 stacks
no
still hearth
No lmao
spice veldt
perilous combustion should just be straight up removed and converted back to wrack & ruin
still hearth
So making it a BR node?
still hearth
That could work
potent echo
i think the devs love flayer
lethal plover
the cooldown is love?
thin finch
I thinkt even at 0% peril it hits the BP
Yeah I think it does 
lethal plover
Sedition strategy fr
thin finch
perilous combustion should just be straight up removed and converted back to wra...
set the dude himself on fire ?
lethal plover
a diplomatic way to say something is trash
still hearth
Ye
potent echo
reinforces bad habits
still hearth
thin finch
Originally it was perilous combustion ,which was shit, then changed to wrack and ruin which was good and now we're back to perilous but it's too good after the soulfire buff
still hearth
Nothing about soulfire changes that perilous is OP
thin finch
what
The first version of the spread was that Brainbursting elite would spread soulfire
potent echo
thats wrack and ruin
thin finch
it was then changed to " it burns the guys"
potent echo
and it was trash because it was fighting with warp rider
still hearth
2s cast time 
thin finch
thats wrack and ruin
the old version of wrack and ruin was basically perilous combustion is what I'm saying
(but tied to BB instead of just randomly murder this guy with your teeth)
still hearth
It's just your first statement that was confusing
Wrack n Ruin is Perilous' predecessor ye
thin finch
It's just your first statement that was confusing
Understandable, that's why I'm claryfying it a bit
clarifying ?
thin finch
I like perilous, it is my Brain burst AOE with EP that people so dastardly desire
ornate hamlet
any reason to?
it benefits from hard and stiff penetration, MKIV is a killer against strong defences
it does flak decently
let if fucking EAT ASS
harsh urchin
@spice veldt have you tried assail after the nerfs??
lethal plover
I was going up an elevator when dozens of gunners and dogs came. I did a smite and a shriek and as the elevator went up my kill feed was like youtube chat. So I'd say the soulblaze perks still do work.
harsh urchin
It feels much worse
spice veldt
<@297182781346152448> have you tried assail after the nerfs??
it feels basically the same to me
harsh urchin
Its pretty significantly worse lol
harsh urchin
For horde clear at least
spice veldt
i've been running it with DD so far
harsh urchin
Oh yeah with empowered and you just clear a bunch of elites yeah that still happens
spice veldt
against poxwalkers perhaps, but I'm pretty sure my shards will still two-shot them with malefic momentum stacks up
ornate hamlet
It feels much worse
yeah well isnt alt fire insane now?
lethal plover
horde clear
lol then it was a good nerf. makes no sense to assail a horde
ornate hamlet
did you try alt fire assail at all?
harsh urchin
yeah well isnt alt fire insane now?
It isnt lol
spice veldt
i basically did not use alt fire at all
harsh urchin
Cuz it only oneshots sniper
thin finch
<@297182781346152448> have you tried assail after the nerfs??
the left click is bassicaly unchanged, and the right click does not murder elite efficiently ,even with EP . unless you crit .
But it OS trapper, I don't know if it was doing that before
spice veldt
still too slow to enter
ornate hamlet
should take specials down easier now
lethal plover
it's a lot but it's also slow and risky in many situations
thin finch
Doesnt even oneshot a bomber
it os trapper sniper and tox flamer in the head
harsh urchin
It doesnt hit any meaningful BPs
harsh urchin
it os trapper sniper and tox flamer in the head
It doesnt kill trapper or flamer
Unless you crit
spice veldt
just like how the nerf to the LMB was fairly nothingburgers; 250 -> 200
harsh urchin
It does 660 dmg to a bomber
Leaving it with like 70-80 hp
The right click is still useless
bleak tulip
to me right click felt about the same
lethal plover
seems like you would need warp charges or something to hit the breakpoint?
harsh urchin
And the left click feels worse for horde clear
ornate hamlet
<a:owoLaugh2:642027206586925056>
doesnt other girls just think you're gay since you play video games?
bleak tulip
assail still heavy identity conflickt
harsh urchin
Pretty much the same when EP activates on a bunch of elites tho
thin finch
It doesnt kill trapper or flamer
maybe it was with EP then , k
still hearth
doesnt other girls just think you're gay since you play video games?
That's a weird way to start a conversation??
spice veldt
still has the fundamental problem of too much god damn ammo
ornate hamlet
That's a weird way to start a conversation??
i have to go now i'll see you later bye
still hearth
spice veldt
i wonder if it's another clara alt
wonder how long it'll take for them to be banned this time
harsh urchin
still has the fundamental problem of too much god damn ammo
I think its gonna take another 6 months
For fs to get assail to a decent spot
harsh urchin
LOL
thin finch
It doesnt kill trapper or flamer
it does not one shot eevn with EP on a trapper , maybe I was not testing in damnation last time
harsh urchin
it does not one shot eevn with EP on a trapper , maybe I was not testing in damn...
yar its just utter trash lol
strong gulch
Does anyone know if Psychic Leeching works on surge too?
That'd be forked if it did.
thin finch
Damn why would I use RMB when one more LMB does the same job ,is faster, and shit less peril 
solar sand
wait im dumb as hell, i always though that meant ability
not blitz
thats so much better than i thought it was
thin finch
Does anyone know if Psychic Leeching works on surge too?
That'd be forked if it...
to you and allies so let's try
thin finch
Does anyone know if Psychic Leeching works on surge too?
That'd be forked if it...
it does
strong gulch
it does <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Thanks for checking and omg what
thin finch
Thanks for checking and omg what <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
wait no maybe not 🤔
IT was because I had the prk that give me toughness when generating peril, if I remove it ,no more toughness
thin finch
Does anyone know if Psychic Leeching works on surge too?
That'd be forked if it...
so it , in fact, does not works, I was just testing bad
strong gulch
so it , in fact, does not works, I was just testing bad
Oh thanks.
thin finch
I wonder if it's because EP is not consumed when using the surge staff
strong gulch
If it had worked 🙃
gentle hinge
dang, got lucky yet unlucky
severe folio
Does anyone know if Psychic Leeching works on surge too?
That'd be forked if it...
why would it work on surge
is it working on something else its not suppose to ?
shadow quail
why would it work on surge
Because smite talents effect surge currently
severe folio
brah
thin finch
why would it work on surge
one stack of EP gives you an eternal +125% surge bonus damage unless you use your blitz ability
topaz void
my favorite thing in the game, ragers
severe folio
wooooow
strong gulch
Get them ragers
topaz void
i love how with the peril block and this im designated anti rager/mutie
potent echo
rager buff hurts evis so much ug
topaz void
rager buff hurts evis so much ug
its pain
fringe sapphire
hmh
thin finch
mmh imma try the Headhunter autogun on my scriers gaze build instead of handcanon
thin finch
probably vraks7 now though
it's the one I'm trying , but I don't knowx if it will be good
made this one lil guy
severe folio
im starting to dislike the body blocking from orgyn
i just cannot attack anything when they keep moving into my bullets lol
thin finch
also 7k plasteel, what a rare sight
thin finch
i just cannot attack anything when they keep moving into my bullets lol
just move
severe folio
just move <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
we should remove orgyn from this game
fringe sapphire
lmao.. just joined 2 aurics in a row. both failed ones. thanks for the plasteel i guess..
hoary badge
understandable
stable silo
i can change 1 thing what do
spice veldt
not very well
the direct damage doesn't do much, and Soulblaze only deals 10% damage to Carapace
the main strat would be to have purg along with a melee with rending% (uncanny strike cough cough)
near bluff
spice veldt
gives stacks on weakspot hit; each stack gives +24% rending
idle bay
the main strat would be to have purg along with a melee with rending% (uncanny s...
Takes notes
spice veldt
rending got changed with patch 13 if you weren't around for the explanation
+Rending% contributes an additive effect to your armour damage modifiers.
If your attack deals 20% damage to Carapace, then +50% rending means that your attack now deals 70% damage to carapace.
If your attack deals 100% or more damage to an armour type, then every 1% of rending contributes to your armour damage modifiers at a reduced effectiveness of 1/4ths. So, if your attack deals 100% and you had +100% rending, you would deal 125% damage instead.
The caveat to all of this is that rending% does not affect the Unarmoured or Infested armour types. (On the other hand, it affects the 4 other armour types)
near wyvern
rending got changed with patch 13 if you weren't around for the explanation
+R...
rending got changed again
just testing it currently
it does not affect all targets anymore
spice veldt
brittleness is a debuff on enemies that gives rending% to incoming attacks
near wyvern
unarmoured for example is not affected by it
spice veldt
ye
near wyvern
and it seems to give 1% damage for every 10% over 1.0 armour mod against armoured targets
spice veldt
oh god damnit
near wyvern
I need to do further testing later on and will update the guide when I am ready with it
potent echo
i can change 1 thing what do
I would change critchance to maniac
Esp after rager hp buff
I just installed the debuff indicator, no respite stacks up to 8 times that's pretty nutty
vestal fulcrum
Hm, should I just swap both blessings on this thing?
I kind of want Uncanny/Unstable or Uncanny/Slaughterer
karmic fractal
imagine using an obscurus these days
vestal fulcrum
IMAGINE having a knack for using bad weapons
That's me
You're probably wondering how I ended up in this situation
karmic fractal
vestal fulcrum
karmic fractal
So yeah just played my first round of Smite
and jesus christ, the CC potential is... phenomenal
quasi junco
BB is better 😛
karmic fractal
BR as in Brain Rupture?
if I want to go back in time and play a hilariously bad BB, yeah I'll go back to that.
Assail/Smite is just too much fun to play around.
potent echo
obscurus got buffed
fringe sapphire
Did you not play Smite before this? The bug with EP made Smite THE CC
potent echo
also it always had the sick uppercut the hits heads
inner gale
unlimited smite puts even darth sidious to shame
viscid matrix
unlimited smite puts even darth sidious to shame
that was removed
vestal fulcrum
also it always had the sick uppercut the hits heads
I still don’t think it’s good, but I’m growing bored of constant Maccabean 4 swish swoosh
So I might as well give it a try
inner gale
that was removed
i know
karmic fractal
Not like the downtime to quell from 100 to 0 is a huge drawback
fringe sapphire
Empowered Psionics thinks Surge RMB == Smite, so it buffs it
karmic fractal
Oh also fellow Psyker mains:
Does Malleous Monstronum require the basic BB, does any Blitz work, or does even BR work?
still hearth
Yes
I literally just run the first node
Since I just need 1 charge
To spam Surge
fringe sapphire
I can't deal even close to 2k with WC
still hearth
Did you leave grinder between
fringe sapphire
tf do you have
fringe sapphire
I'm dealing +2k with EP and 1-1,5k with WC
still hearth
Flat staff does 700 damage to carapace without any talents
One stack
With Warp Rider
1900
Yeah EP definitely works
It's not even close
If I have 0 EP and warp rider 760 damage
fringe sapphire
I'm dealing +2k with EP and 1-1,5k with WC
didnt have Warp Rider. Now it's 1,7k ish at 6 charges
still hearth
Yeah I get the results that should happen as far as I can tell
You can stack EP and Warp Charges
If you had an EP stack before you swap
still hearth
Full charge Warp Charges + Warp Rider is 1.1k for me
One EP did 1.9k
The question is kind of if peril cost reduction is better for staff spam
Which I don't think it is since quelling is super fast
Oh and lets not forget Surge doing random damage
No it isn't but ok
strong gulch
Surge having an upper and lower limits to its hit that are random is annoying.
Look you hit the breakpoint, now you don't, now you do, now you don't....
still hearth
Not that much more from my testing
But you're a strange person that quells to 0% too I guess
Literally 0.3s downtime
To quell
Damn
fringe sapphire
rn WC vs. EP is not even close for Surge.. bruh
still hearth
My team died in that time
strong gulch
I like both. I too was a surge user pre-patch 14.
strong gulch
One is spicier and one is comfier.
still hearth
Yeah idk why
There's 4 specials
So get 4 charges
Or what
Do you just hold their hands
Damn this is the scoreboard racing meme
strong gulch
You can quell a bit and keep flurry stacks up
viscid matrix
when you tap quell when at 100%, it instantly drops by 15-20 instantly
viscid matrix
So you can spam slightly more
id rather sit on 80-100 peril so i can maintain 20% crit chance from nexus
still hearth
And your metric is stunning enemies for some erason instead of killing things
So idk man
That seems kinda bad
fringe sapphire
You originally said WC gives way more dmg than EP, which is wrong
torpid shadow
is voidstrike still objectively better than surge staff
torpid shadow
sob, i guess ill build a voidstrike
strong gulch
sob, i guess ill build a voidstrike
If you want to build surge, build surge.
still hearth
Yeah because I tried it
In a controlled environment
Where you can tell
It's just way less damage
So the only thing you get
Is slightly more shots
viscid matrix
still hearth
Because quelling is insanely fast
torpid shadow
I feel like EP smite shouldnt inc damage but just far reduced peril generation bc its main utility is mass stagger of (nearly) any enemy
still hearth
"Let me trade my one-shots and two-shots to do less damage and stagger a bit more often"
???
fringe sapphire
https://streamable.com/3q8w21
idk why ppl post this shit still. I'm pretty sure it's got EP x2..
spice veldt
spice veldt
56.25% peril, which takes 1.25 seconds to quell assuming 80% quell speed and from 100% peril
i'm too lazy to go measure how long a surge rotation is
viscid matrix
for me, quell speed and peril generation reduction barely matters, i sit between 80 and 100% constantly, and only tap quell to prevent going boom
spice veldt
should be mostly easy to just calculate the damage per peril%
viscid matrix
tap for instant 15-20 quell then back to another secondary
still hearth
God the damage is so garbage with Warp Charges man
Idk what you're on about
Literally most things takes at least 1 time more to kill
Up to 3 more on Reapers
Legit question
viscid matrix
ive played surge into aurics, and the quell tap between secondaries is how i play
still hearth
Me:
You miss out on BPs on literally every single enemy
You:
That doesn't matter I'll just shoot more and kill less
viscid matrix
thats not my job, that is the ogryn or zealot who im playing with that do that
viscid matrix
my job when i am using surge staff is to take out priority targets as fast as possible
still hearth
You win the match
Primarily
By killing things
Dude I've played this game since release
CC has always been shit 99% of the time
Idk what game you're playing
But this isn't it
It'll save some god forsaken runs
Woop woop
gentle hinge
cant wait for Hadron to ruin this fine weapons
still hearth
Yeah it's not like I've used Surge both ways and clearly noticed how much better it is when it does actual damage
But since you put in more hours you can feel entitled to your opinion
Weren't you leaving
I don't think this is the sick "I win" thing you think it is but enjoy
whole oxide
seems like something that'd be pretty easy to test by spawning 50 mid-tier elites and timing time to clear
brittle ivy
with the increase in life on certain mobs and reduced damage on void staff I feel weak. If only they didnt gut the surge staff.
still hearth
seems like something that'd be pretty easy to test by spawning 50 mid-tier elite...
No because you can only do it in game or else it doesn't count.
If you do it in meatgrinder its fake
still hearth
with the increase in life on certain mobs and reduced damage on void staff I fee...
What does this even mean
brittle ivy
have people not seen the patch? i'm confused.
fringe sapphire
Voidstrike is still overtuned