psyker-class

[olive ember]

Also no CDR spam shriek with melee build

Fucking and you called yourself a quicken psyker

Disgusting

[spice veldt]

what is this libel

[slate oasis]

I can still one-shot mutants in the training room with the mk4 dueling sword. weren't people saying that shouldn't be possible anymore? am I missing something?

[unique mist]

are you on damnation difficulty

[slate oasis]

yea

[unique mist]

🤷‍♂️

idk what blessings you're running

or your setup

[long wharf]

opposite - dueling sword heavies got buffed

[unique mist]

duelling sword buff

mutants got 100hp increase

[spice veldt]

wtf is this new laspistol

[unique mist]

you can never convince me to run gunker

staffs are too much fun

and not using ammo is a big team ammo economy boon

[spice veldt]

melee is very fun for me

[unique mist]

melee is fine

[spice veldt]

i played a vet game and had roughly 350k melee damage and 25k ranged damage

[ebon jolt]

I think there are a lot of valid gunker guns with the new patch.

[spice veldt]

i've never had any issues with ammo cuz I just use melee

[spice veldt]

even with pre-patch infantry autoguns

or the plasmagun

i pretty much see all ammo issues as "learn melee"

[unique mist]

duelling swords got buffed anywhos

[spare light]

I respect that

Too many times you see vets going down cause they refused to pick up their melee during a horde

[lethal folio]

You don't need to push attack to start the duelling rampage now.

[fading patrol]

Shredder vet : no

[north cradle]

Oh gawd, Empowered Surge is so good. Psykers can't stop getting W's this season

[spice veldt]

i fondly look back on pre-patch 13 monster maelstrom games with 0 ammo picked up as vet

[keen slate]

So, how many things they broke on psyker?

[copper torrent]

handcannon surgical flak unarmored.

[spare light]

Surge is actually a power house now, that say enough?

[keen slate]

No, I mean literally broken

not OP

[olive ember]

BUT I WANNA SHOOT GUN

I play vet I wanna shoot smh

No melee

[spice veldt]

Empowered Psionics is affecting Surge

[olive ember]

Only shoot

[ebon jolt]

It's good because it's literally broken.

[keen slate]

Broken means not working

[ebon jolt]

Yes. It's not working as intended.

[keen slate]

If you didn't get it the first time

[ebon jolt]

Which is why it's good.

[spice veldt]

people use the word in whatever sense and you didn't specify it

[keen slate]

I did

Brain rapture can't use charged attack

[spice veldt]

i also don't trust people who use that

like, broken in what sense?

[spice veldt]

yes I'm aware

I'm just explaining my rationale

just specifying it

[keen slate]

Voidstrike has no spread

[ebon jolt]

It's bugged and dealing 125% extra damage. That's not working as intended. Making it broken.

[orchid shadow]

It's intended to not do that. But it is. So it's not working as intended. 😛

[keen slate]

Also why it shoots so fast?

It wasn't like that pre patch

[spice veldt]

that's an intentional change

[cyan notch]

they increased the speed

[keen slate]

Ok, but what about spread?

[spice veldt]

it's to basically reduce the need for people to ever need to quell cancel it

what about it

[keen slate]

There's none

[spice veldt]

always had 0 spread if that's what you're talking about

[keen slate]

No, it had spread pre-patch

[spice veldt]

nope

not since launch

not ever

[cyan notch]

no i dont think so

its always been ultra accurate

[spice veldt]

it's always been perfectly accurate

[cyan notch]

just slow as hell

[spice veldt]

ping often resulted in the shot not going where you'd expect it do

[orchid shadow]

Which makes me want to quell-cancel more than ever now because it's so fun. 😛

[spice veldt]

people like you weigh crack cocaine on a pound scale

but besides ping and whatnot, it always went where your crosshair pointed at the time of pressing LMB

i think people just didn't use the staff LMB at all and are now realizing that it's not as worse as it seems

or voidstrike lamayo

[orchid shadow]

Head exploding from not watching your peril as I spam lmb... head exploding from too much cocaine.. same thing.

[fading patrol]

Thats bread and butter for old surge staff
Inb4 reddit claims they horde clear with surge

[potent moss]

They do. On Malice

[lethal folio]

I've been trying to get people on board staff lclicks.

[fading patrol]

Damnation player here, havent played malice for months

[lethal folio]

It's often a better use of your time than charged staff attacks.

and the suppression will shut down gunners.

[fading patrol]

Its usually low charge surge > 2 left click for dregs

[raw oriole]

Best Shredder Blessings for Scrier's Gaze?

[potent moss]

Most of the time when people talk on reddit they don't specify what difficulty they do. Assume it's malice

[ebon jolt]

Probably Blaze Away. Followed by Pinning Fire or Powerburn?

Cavalcade is decent.

[vestal forum]

is it possible to make a good assail + dome build?

[past brook]

any ideas what I should be looking for on a revolver other than hand cannon?

[lethal folio]

surgical or pointblank

[fading patrol]

Nah they often claimed damnation while citing stuff that definitely doesnt work there

[past brook]

perks?

[vestal forum]

crit damage

[pale pilot]

yeah the faster orb speed actually makes me want to use the left mouse on the orbstaves

[vocal sundial]

what doesn't work in damnation

[pale pilot]

because you can crap them out fast enough to supress but also score hits and kills

[olive ember]

I've seen a lot of people saying that the surge staff isn't very strong, and oh boy are those people wrong. This thing SLAPS. Is it the highest damage staff? Probably not, but if you think it doesn't kill well at all then you're using it wrong or you aren't hitting breakpoints.

This staff wants to be charged up all the way before casting, which isn't fantastic, but that's why we pair it with the 10% faster charge time after each salvo perk, whatever tf it's called. After a few casts you're throwing out fully charged armor melting lightning bolts with basically zero charge time, and this thing is DEVASTATING. When you spec for peril resistance you can basically keep casting forever. It isn't uncommon for me to chain 15 heavy attacks from my lighting staff without needing to quell, and I'm yet to meet a horde that can take that, even on Damnation.

If you build your perks around this staff and commit to full charges you'll never need to put it away and you'll never stop casting, even at full peril.

Just saying, if you're the guy who refuses to play with Surge staff users on Damnation you don't know up from down. I am the anti-specialist and anti-elite psycher. I am battlefield control and overwatch combined. Surge staff is insanely powerful, and you might want to give it another try.

Surge staff is supreme, my beloved told me so, so fight me.

[pale pilot]

also the slower windup probably means les sof a delay from when the when you click to when the orb is spawned and sent on the path it was on when you clicked

[potent moss]

Is this a copypasta?

[olive ember]

I'm sorry amigo, if you can't hard carry with a staff that will make any five enemies in the game stop what they are doing and stand there for a few seconds and take damage on top of it in the time it takes you to right click, left click, and then then R. that's the definition of a player issue. The only staff that matches it in versatility is the purgatus staff. The purgatus staff just has different enemies and situations it's weak again

If i'm running surge staff I rarely get into a situation where my whole team is dead, because I have the tools that stops all the specials that suprise wipe teams. When i am in that situation pressing my F key to push/light everything around me on fire and some slash/push with my Illsi typically gives me the breathing room to go back the dogs/trappers etc under control.

What I'm getting from this is you aren't super great at melee crowd control, and that's fine a lot of people aren't, and it's a learned skill. But that's not an issue with a surge staff. It's jsut an issue that you can kind of get around with staffs like the purgatus.

[subtle shadow]

https://tenor.com/view/tobias-funke-david-cross-blue-myself-arrested-development-face-palm-gif-3567424

average psyker gameplay

[ebon jolt]

Warp Flurry.

[fading patrol]

Stop the palpatine cosplay

[vestal forum]

I'm glad the revolver is actually really good
minimizes the need for ammo refills while also keeping the Psykers who hate staves happy

also did anyone see my other message??

[ebon jolt]

Where my gunker homies at. Thoughts on guns to use i the new patch? Here's where I'm at right now:
Best
vrak Mk7 HAG
Laspistol

Great
vrak Mk3 HAG
Columnus IAG
Revolver
MG la IL

Good
MG XII IL
Agripinaa IAG

Usable
Vrak Mk9 HAG
Shredder AP
Graia IAG
Mk VII Recon Lasgun
MG IV IL

Don't Use
Mk VId Recon Lasgun
Mk II Recon Lasgun

[north cradle]

Brain Burst slaps now imo

[analog agate]

Yes lol. It was from, not good…., psykers on reddit prepatch13

[north cradle]

I miss being able to one-tap Scab Ragers from nil, but being able to kill every specialist except Mutants is huge

[vestal forum]

I wanna use brain burst long enough to get the penances done and then switch to Assail pretty much forever
but I also wanna use dome

[cedar zenith]

A fellow laspistol enjoyer

[north cradle]

Until Empowered Surge gets fixed, I'ma be Surge/Burst

Plus the new primary cast speed is faaast

[cedar zenith]

What did they change about surge staff

[ebon jolt]

Smite EP bonus is bugged and applies to surge staff.

[north cradle]

It counts as Smite for the purposes of Empowered Psionics

[ebon jolt]

So it deals 125% extra damage.

[cedar zenith]

Lmao

Fatshark coding

[north cradle]

It's fucking nuts

[olive ember]

It does double damage with a bug and has new VFX

Otherwise nothing

[cedar zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/coding-gif-18657810

[north cradle]

Lore accurate psyker, for real

[cedar zenith]

Just double damage period or do you need to build into it

[ebon jolt]

You need to have 1 EP charge. But the staff doesn't use charges so as soon as you have 1 you're good.

[olive ember]

You need empowered psionics and smite

[cedar zenith]

Ahh

So the usual

[potent moss]

Is EP Assail any good? I've never used it because it seems bad

[cedar zenith]

It’s assail

[long wharf]

EP Assail is as good as Assail can be, damage-wise

[potent moss]

But it's still just about as assaily without it no?

[long wharf]

it's easier to keep throwing shards with EP on high difficulties

[cedar zenith]

It’s like the default assail build

[potent moss]

I've been running warp siphon/shield/assail forever and I don't particularly feel like I have a problem running out of assail charges

[long wharf]

do you ever play high intensity Heresy+?

[potent moss]

I do hisg+

I'm not using assail as my only button lmao

[long wharf]

EP enables you using only Assail, if you want to

[potent moss]

Okay fair. I'm not interested in that so I guess I wasn't making a mistake anyway

[olive ember]

EP assail is 3 free throws

[potent moss]

3 charges per ep charge?

[olive ember]

And if you kill 3 elites in with those 3 throws

You get 3 more throws

[potent moss]

Ah

[olive ember]

Each charge is one but you can get 3 charges

So when the game spams shotgunners and gunners you can just spam assail

[potent moss]

I usually find I have enough assail charges to deal with shotgun/rager packs

even after the nerf

[lofty storm]

Do you need to pair smite with surge staff? Does surge staff consume EP stacks?

[lyric burrow]

It needs to be paired with smite afaik

Charges are not used

[lofty storm]

Interesting, not sure if it's worth it if you have to double up

[silent coral]

why does warp charge gain feel so bad post patch?

so is that whole tree basically dead then if you want to use shield?

[ebon jolt]

Only thing I can think of is perilous combustion was nerfed and you're using charge gain on soul blaze kills?

[lyric burrow]

Its not as good as it used to be but fine depending on your loadout

It can get good use with like blazing trauma/surge

Although rn you want ep with surge if your abusing the bug

[slow raven]

does scriers work with warp siphon cdr now?

[tight birch]

I just want Psyker to not have any bugs so I don't have to feel bad about not wanting to commit to a bugged weapon / talent loadout

[brave charm]

Hey I'm currently building up my Psyker so I have to ask the sages: I'm building full space magic with Brain Rupture and Venting Shriek, so would yall say Warp Siphon or Empowered Psionics would be better keystones for that build path?

[fossil snow]

I dont use the damage mods, can someone give me a comparison for venting shriek at full power?

[olive ember]

Eh depends on build

[fossil snow]

anything that hits similarly hard

[vestal forum]

why does this game not have loadouts yet???

[olive ember]

It does

What?

[vestal forum]

I mean saving perk

[olive ember]

When you go to equipment top right

Saving perk?

[silent coral]

can you explain? like if you go shield psyker ability its non viable, might as well go disrupt destiny i guess

[ebon jolt]

If you're playing Venting Shriek I think Warp Siphon is the way to go.

[fossil snow]

it does, each of those loadout tags snapshots your perks

[brave charm]

Will keep in mind

[olive ember]

It’s literally CDR on your shield? Gives you 50% of your CD back with 6

Also gives peril resist and damage depending on staff n stuff

[vocal sundial]

warp charges are more fun

[olive ember]

It’s quite nice for purge builds since warp charges gives CDR for push which gives more fire which gives more warp charges

Tho yes the fact that it expends warp charges by default kinda sucks and should be something to be specced into

Still better than disrupt destiny tho for most builds

[silent coral]

you guys are going in fire reborn over psychic vampire?

[olive ember]

Pmuch always

[silent coral]

maybe thats what i was doing wrong

[olive ember]

Tho most my warp charge builds are using fire in one way or another

With how much fire you can get on the left side I generally go for the fire

Cuz perilous combustion wildfire ascendant blaze and then fire from staff

[spare light]

I just did an auric damnation on my ogryn, I felt so fucking bad against a horde of gunners, I wish I had a psyker to deal with them

[olive ember]

You running gun lugger?

[ebon jolt]

With Warp Siphon, Seer's Presence, curio CDR stacking you can get your cooldown to around 12s. Then with Psykinetic's Aura you get 1.5s per elite/special kill. You can get pretty close to keeping Kinetic Resonance up 50% of the time. BR decent for elite/special kills and venting shriek/creeping flames is good for wave clear.

[spare light]

Nah, shield boy

[silent coral]

decided to bust out kick back after the buffs and felt bad vs all the gunners yeah

[steel flame]

At last zazy is home from his slave labor session and can test more patch 14 stuffs

HUZZAH

[ebon jolt]

The only think you miss out on with not going EP BR is 2 tap crusher, dreg rager and an easier 2 tap on reapers.

[olive ember]

https://streamable.com/8m5o4g

[spare light]

I'm just standing there behind my shield with special action, and OFCOURSE a flamer pops up from behind me

[spare light]

Gun wasn't even shooting

[copper torrent]

Hey can anyone double check my test. I think Illisi can quell cancel lights for faster attack speed. And It didn't before this patch.

[spare light]

Idk, I like shieldgryn but fucking hell, a fuckton of gunners just ruins the fun

[olive ember]

It might get fixed cuz it’s a funny bug but

Gun lugger ogryn pretty stronk rn

[potent moss]

went to veteran chat to ask a question, got in a throwdown over someone saying bubble is better than rectangle

[north cradle]

This is my brain on regular Damnation with Surge/Burst. Can't wait to try Auric

[spare light]

Your horde clear is quite bad though

[north cradle]

I'm using Illisi, it gets the job done

[spare light]

Fair enough, that works

[north cradle]

Someone else in my Auric lobby is using Surge, so I'll run Purgatus for now

[olive ember]

Oh yeah also @spare light

https://streamable.com/kbdhue

[north cradle]

I dunno why I thought Illisi got hit hard by the nerf bat

[olive ember]

That’s not me btw @lunar hollow just has infinite memory on his pc

[spare light]

I just have no interest in gunlugger tbf

[lunar hollow]

it's because ripper at high ping bugs out, doesn't play sounds/firing animation

and the ammo counter has a stroke

[spare light]

Ahh

ima try this bubble/purg/bb build

[spice veldt]

this is all to say that josho has shit internet

[potent moss]

wall is better :<

[spice veldt]

i like dome cuz trappers and flamers are annoying

and i get to neuter bonbons

[potent moss]

I feel like 50% of my wipes are uncontrolled mutants and dogs

[spice veldt]

I have no plans to fight bonbons in a corridor without a dome shield

mutants are whatever and dogs aren't threatening nowadays if you just spam push as a psyker (0.5s stam regen delay btw)

the game cheats in your favor with regards to dogs

[scarlet moat]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[potent moss]

It's not an issue if the dog is just polite enough to come when shit isn't going down

[spice veldt]

because your push will have a longer radius and duration with respect to dogs

i'm not kidding about just spamming pushes

it is an actually valid strategy

esp if you just take kinetic deflection and ignore stamina management

[potent moss]

But do you have time to do that when you're busy backdodging and trying to kill a crusher pack with flamers running at you

[spice veldt]

sure if it's that type of scenario

then it's pretty fucked yeah

[potent moss]

That's what I mean by wipe scenarios lol, pure chaos that goes from somewhat controllable to wipe cause of mutant throws

[spice veldt]

dome shield for the flamers is nice though I just bring trauma for those scenarios and spam assail + melee otherwise

[lyric burrow]

Have you gotten a chance to test mk2 duelling sword arco

[spice veldt]

no but apparently the mk2's h1 still has less damage than the mk4

[shy dune]

just wanted to put the idea out there but what if there was a way to wrap your staves in whatever their charge ability is and have a powerful stave melee would ya use it or just keep playing like normal?

[spice veldt]

so that makes me very sad

[lyric burrow]

Is h2 more in line

Or unknown

[spice veldt]

the numbers just looking at the patch notes seem fine

bugged rampage will probably skew any results you'll have

[lyric burrow]

Oh that wasnt fixed

[spice veldt]

no lamayo

i guess the playtesters didn't catch bugged rampage this early on

[lyric burrow]

I do want to try mk2 just need to make a good one

[spice veldt]

its cleave distribution seems fine for unarmoured/infested

[lyric burrow]

What is the advantage over mk4? Thought lights were better for hordes but at least cleave values seem universal?

Havent checked damage stats

[spice veldt]

the cleave buff for the lights was supposed to be for the mk2 but all the duelling swords got it so rip

no advantage at all in terms of single-target

[potent moss]

Mk4 supremancy I guess

[spice veldt]

if you like the duelling sword and want hordeclear, the mk2 is there for you I guess

[cinder mesa]

the massively higher damage on weakspots with the mk4 vs other swords still feels like an oversight

why even use the others

[potent moss]

I take MK4 to stab mutants in the face

That's it

[lyric burrow]

So you really only take mk2 if you like it

Was hoping it would be a nice hybrid/mk 4 with horde clear but that doesnt seem to be the case

[spice veldt]

yeah shame

the h1 has less damage than the mk4 for no reason

[lyric burrow]

Although ig mk4 with horde clear would be a little dumb

[spice veldt]

true

[cinder mesa]

bug?

[spice veldt]

i want my op generalist stuf fthough

gimme

[lyric burrow]

Is the h1>h2 transition as fast as mk4 at least

[spice veldt]

no idea, but one can hope

[lyric burrow]

Dont you hate assail when other psykers use it lol

[spice veldt]

no because I'm an assail psyker myself

i abuse that shit on a daily

[potent moss]

I haven't seen another assail psyker this patch

[spice veldt]

sometimes I just do mainly mk4 duelling sword runs if assail gets boring

[lyric burrow]

I havent used assail at all i feel too guilty

[potent moss]

In my opinion assail was not broken on histg

[cinder mesa]

new assail seems real strong though with the change to the alt fire, surprised people arent using it, even if Smite/surge staff EP is bugged.

[spice veldt]

i'm the degenerate who swapped to bolter vet two months before patch 13

[brave fiber]

just managed to roll this, thoughts on perks?

[cinder mesa]

great perks

oh, blessings nvm

[potent moss]

huh

oh

[spice veldt]

depends on the deifnition of broken, but assail is just a very good position-agnostic weapon with 100% accuracy

and very brainless in design

[potent moss]

I agree it's brainless, but it wasn't as overperforming as it is on lower difficulties

[spice veldt]

nerfs to ammo economy won't really hurt it that much, but it'll require more skill to get similar amounts of output

[cinder mesa]

weakspot damage im not a huge fan of over crit chance or plain damage increase to more powerful enemy types, and poxwalkers seems a weird one to have a damage boost to

[olive ember]

I'm not actually sure if its still in the game but I heard from some zealots that ogryn playtesters dont uh

super thoroughly test things

and no one realized that the burn stacking was bugged with ripper to apply per pellet

idk if its still in game tho

[spice veldt]

yeah it's not going to do as well on lower difficulties, but you can just shut down a lot of engagements on hishock with just assail spam

ranged patrols are a joke with assail

[cinder mesa]

thats hilarious, even though im a stubber gunlugger for mine

[spice veldt]

special waves are a joke with assail and you can just stab mutants

[lyric burrow]

Assail is def still busted on histg esp since its even easier to maintain ep

[potent moss]

And it still does well at it now. Which is why I will still take it because 8 shotgunners sucks to deal with

[spice veldt]

i literally just ran into ranged patrols with just assail + duelling sword

cuz assail's stagger is also good for some reason

[cinder mesa]

buffing the alt fire if anything vastly improves the ammo economy with more surgical usage

[spice veldt]

so I just stabbed -> threw shard -> stabbed -> threw shard

[potent moss]

I thought they should have nerfed assail's stagger first, it's baffling how it staggers everything short of a mutant in one shard

[spice veldt]

eh the stagger is whatever

I consider the ammo economy to be the main problem

and lack of damage falloff with targets hit

[olive ember]

I think the stagger is fine except maybe for bulwarks

[spice veldt]

I'm fine with it having stagger as a combo/set-up weapon

[olive ember]

but the assail spam is def

[spice veldt]

but it just has too many other things going for it

[olive ember]

weird

[spice veldt]

stagger wouldn't be the thing I'd personally change

[plucky token]

So whats the new smite build? EP or warp charges for less peril gen?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah spam is still strong

[cinder mesa]

I think a 30% CD increase on Assail is a sufficient change, to give extra space to use your weapons

[potent moss]

I guess it's just that combined with how many you can throw, that amount of stagger is broken

[olive ember]

I do find it frustrating where everyone is like 'yeah change the ammo economy to make it so you cant spam 10 of em and you can't get one back every 2 seconds"

[lyric burrow]

Just use left click shard to get ep first

[olive ember]

and fatshark went "haha 50 less damage"

[spice veldt]

i'd just nerf it to 3 shards max and much slower regen

in what world should you ever be allowed to throw 4 or more shards at a time

just use your other god damn weapons

[cinder mesa]

3 max + slower regen seems excessive IMO

[potent moss]

It sometimes takes me 3 shards to kill a bomber when the javelin isn't cooperating lmao

[spice veldt]

nah

[plucky token]

So kill the ability?

[spice veldt]

because assail shards regenerate while you're using your other weapons

[lyric burrow]

I think they wanted to change it rather than make it the same but worse but it just made no difference essentially

[plucky token]

lol

[spice veldt]

assail shards regenerate while you're using your other weapons

[olive ember]

idk I'd say like 5 or 7 but like massively nerf regen

like

[spice veldt]

Brain Rupture and Smite have a harder time cost because you have to be actively holding the blitz out

[potent moss]

I wouldn't have noticed the change to assail if I hadn't already read the patch notes

[cinder mesa]

but a lower ammo cap and/or increased CD would be good. 5/6 and 30% increased CD would work id say, along with removing extra targets hit with EP assails

[olive ember]

make it like one shard every 10 seconds min

kekw

[spice veldt]

whereas Assail takes only 0.2 seconds to throw the first shard out and 0.33 seconds for the 2nd shard, and then you loop back into that l1 -> l2 combo

so roughly half a second to go through a rotation

[plucky token]

Here's what I would do. Keep the high damage, keep the 10 shards. But you ONLY Generate Shard with a special kill/ 1% on kil for you or anyone in your coherency.

[spice veldt]

which is very little time, and you can continue aiming those shards on other weapons

[olive ember]

needs more than 30%

[potent moss]

this doesn't work in lower difficulties at all

[spice veldt]

the on-kill stuff is already done by EP

[olive ember]

just fyi by default its a 2 second CD to get a shard back

1.4 if you take the feat

[cinder mesa]

Im a warp charge assail user though so i can focus on using them for some damage and then swap to surge/sword for cleanup

[spice veldt]

I really would just keep the passive regen, and there's no point in having slow regen if you also have a lot of shards to burst through

[cinder mesa]

or while theres still big crowds while having high peril

[spice veldt]

like, this is the same problem that the bolter ran into pre-patch

[olive ember]

you need like 200% increase to assail CD for it to matter lol

[plucky token]

Why not? Kill with primary staff

[spice veldt]

what's the point of having a slow reload if you can just kill everything with 15 rounds lamayo

[potent moss]

1% chance? You kill like 300 things in total in a malice run

[plucky token]

It's for you or anyone in Coherency

So their kills count too

[spice veldt]

I'm also not a fan of very probablistic elements in games

[cinder mesa]

I was mostly speaking from a perspective of the difference the 30% decrease in CD that one talent offers, so going 30-50% at base along with say, max 5-6, would work for me.

[potent moss]

300 things across the squad

[cinder mesa]

and potentially changing the 30% CD talent to something else to further reduce spam

[spice veldt]

so roughly ~20 shards through a hishock if 1% per kill is your only mechanism of getting shards back

[plucky token]

On low intensity maybe. Ok maybe increase the chance to like 5%

im just shooting from the hip here

[olive ember]

I say keep the ability to spam but make the CD punishing

[spice veldt]

i'd just keep a passive regen and you can tack on things

[olive ember]

like

[spice veldt]

but on-kill stuff is also boring

[olive ember]

again 7 shards so you can spam it

[spice veldt]

it's just a passive thing that happens and you get it back during hordes

[olive ember]

but then literally 10 seconds per shard so you gonna be having to wait a minute

[spice veldt]

which should not ever be tied to assail shard generation

[olive ember]

if you want to throw 7 again

[cinder mesa]

regardless, i think its safer to make a smaller nerf rather than over-reach

[olive ember]

probably

[spice veldt]

i want it to be a purely quickswap weapon

[olive ember]

tho again idk why they went with this

its one thing for small steps

[spice veldt]

sure you can spam it, but you should be heavily punished for deciding to throw more than a few shards at a time

[olive ember]

its another thing to completely ignore what everyone is saying

and just go "haha 50 less damage"

[spice veldt]

significantly slower passive regen + get shards for doing something (not related to killing enemies)

although I'd just say that a slow passive regen is a simple implementation

and would have practically the same effect

[cinder mesa]

I dont play Damnation enough to comment but id feel it has a bigger impact in such difficulties, albeit not enough. A CD changed paired with this one that akes the alt fire not so redundant is good in my books.

[spice veldt]

i'd just rework the altfire into a non-aim assisted mode

psyker needs some real mechanical depth

[cinder mesa]

A part of me wishes Smite had a weird niche going for it where you could focus more on Soulblaze with its usage and spread the fire while zapping.

but that would probably be overpowered

[north cradle]

You already have Wildfire

[chrome patrol]

100% peril is already too much for most people

[spice veldt]

they can just avoid taking assail

or just spam LMB

the class has other options for being brainless

[lyric burrow]

I do agree

I like peril management as it gives me more to think about

But past that its not much

Aiming matters less and we had infinte dodges for a while

[north cradle]

I get amused seeing Assail/Shield Psykers who blow themselves up tho

[chrome patrol]

idk isnt peril mostly a subconcious thing ?

[spice veldt]

yeah you just fall into a muscle memory rotation

[cinder mesa]

Assail sometimes really catches me off guard and blows me up im ngl, even if i have my peril meter right below my crosshair

[lyric burrow]

Once you get used to it yeah

You barely look at it

[spice veldt]

so peril management basically doesn't matter once you have enough hours

[north cradle]

Last time I blew myself up was when I was trying to kill three Elites at the same time lmfao

[cinder mesa]

when shits getting wild and i just let loose that one extra assail accidentally

[regal musk]

Just needs alterantive nodes in he talent tree.
One that makes it lose the stun but gain the ability to refresh/spread soulblaze stacks in exchange would be fun

[lyric burrow]

I just go off audio/state of my screen

[spare light]

purg/bubble/BB is quite nice

[cinder mesa]

oooo, i like that

[lyric burrow]

Or even what in used to being at roughly

[neat summit]

I’m still a BB Purg fanboy. Converted from charges to EP with the shield cd bug fix

[spare light]

Yeah, I'm going something REAL similar

[neat summit]

BB buffs with EP let me 2 shot crushers

[spare light]

I'm just using DS4 instead of Deimos

[neat summit]

And with free BB I can reset shield cd pretty quickly

[spare light]

No kinetic deflector/deflector cause I got the bubble

[chrome patrol]

but tbh i woulndt mind something mechanically more demanding

but also rewarding at the same time

[neat summit]

I like deflector with bubble but I get what where you’re coming from

[chrome patrol]

its also a form of balancing

[lyric burrow]

That too

I wouldnt mind stuff being pre patch illisi level as much if it was remotely hard to use

Even then i think its still a little over the top

But point stands

[tidal scaffold]

oh my god thats how they spam it like that

[lyric burrow]

Voids in the same spot where its pretty mindless and aiming is generous

For infinite reward

[steel flame]

rampage mk4 after patch is disgusting at horde clear

[olive ember]

rampage is still bugged yes

[lyric burrow]

I believe that lol

Esp bugged rampage

[olive ember]

basically purge staff apparently is weak as shit and needs buffs

if you listen to surge copers

trauma is good, voidstrike is good

[cinder mesa]

surge is totally fine IMO

[olive ember]

surge staff is lmao

[spare light]

I forgot I still got precog on there, should I get rampage instead?

[olive ember]

surge staff is mid

it can work

[spare light]

Surge on it's own : mediocre, has it's niche, but other staves can do the same , ie trauma/void

[olive ember]

its alright at killing things that run at you by itself

[spare light]

surge with bugged EP: state it should be in

[cinder mesa]

you dont need to aim, you can melt anything regardless of its armour level and it has CC, its a nice niche over voidstrike as a more a strong bolt staff

[neat summit]

Yah I don’t care for cc Psyker builds. Smite and Surge are kinda mid imo

[olive ember]

have you seen psyker in general

you don't have to aim in general with psyker

[cinder mesa]

and with a warp charge build i really like it

[olive ember]

assail, BB, voidstrike, trauma, purge

are all kinda just

point in the general direction

watch things die

even BB

[spare light]

misses all void hits

[olive ember]

bro someone was complaining about missing with voidstrike

and its like

HOW

[cinder mesa]

omg i had such a bad time vs a DH yesterday trying to hit it with my void

[spare light]

OKAY I HAVE DONE IT

[fierce crest]

cries in duel swords

[lyric burrow]

Trauma at least takes some amount of practice to aim far and not fuck over teammates

Thats really it tho

[olive ember]

honestly besides crushers you don't even have to aim a duelingsword

[cinder mesa]

even full charge their movements while hitting the shielding ogryn made me miss half the time lol

[olive ember]

go into the meat grinder and just lmb spam the mutant with ds4

it dies in like 3 seconds anyways

[shy dune]

what is EP and what is bugged about it?

[cinder mesa]

but yeah, i like how surge is damage with some CC and ignores armour basically

[lyric burrow]

Ds is easy to aim cause your point blank

[spare light]

I remember trying to kill a far away gunner & I swear it was yelling 'SERPENTINE MOTION SERPENTINE MOTION' while dodging all my voids

[cinder mesa]

Empowered Psionics

[olive ember]

Empowered Psionics

[spice veldt]

parkinson's 😔

[olive ember]

currently smite and surge staff rmb are regarded the same thing

so anything that buffs smite also buffs surge staff

[solar sand]

does the now higher damage and spread from empowered smite make it better than the benefits of warp siphon?

[olive ember]

that means smites +1 target and 10% more damage on enemies hit also applies to surge, as does empowered psionics WITH smite giving surge +125% damage

[crude cape]

what blessings for vraks VII gun psyker build?

[olive ember]

I mean I've missed, but I've never done it to the point where its like i'm complaining about missing it lol

its just

shoot the damn thing at the target

[shy dune]

ah so thats why surge hasnt felt like trash as of late

[onyx sentinel]

So did the patch not change any breakpoints for unempowered BB?

[olive ember]

its finally balanced

[spare light]

even if it misses, the blast often CC's them & makes the next shot 100% to hit

[olive ember]

scab ragers now take 2 or 3 depending on if you have warp rider

flamers are one shot now tho iirc

[lyric burrow]

Surgical/whatever the one that gives you more crit damage on headshot blanking on the name is bis afaik

[velvet goblet]

do you have to take the 2 Smite noted for it to provide the +1 and 10% for surge bug?

[lyric burrow]

No respite/opening salvo good too

[shy dune]

really does feel like that

[onyx sentinel]

wtf didn’t they use to be 2 max

[spare light]

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-son-of-abitch-upset-gif-4276606

[olive ember]

nope with the health buffs if you take BR without any other buffs it takes 3 to kill a scab rager psure

tho apparently warp rider is enough to turn it back to 2 so i'm assuming its not like a huge breakpoint to meet

[lyric burrow]

Throwback to one shotting ragers with BB 😔

[olive ember]

yes because its specifically the smite nodes

[spare light]

Ayo what's the dump stat on MK4?

[spice veldt]

the time of 1350 hp ragers

[lyric burrow]

Cleave damage

[olive ember]

btw just to make sure did anyone test if you need smite with psionics for surge bug

[lyric burrow]

Dont leave it crazy low tho

[olive ember]

or just psionics

[lyric burrow]

P sure you need smite

[onyx sentinel]

Okay I always run rider so that’s probably why

[spare light]

not mobility?

[lyric burrow]

I can test again

[olive ember]

oh waittt

no nvrm before it was 2 yes

now its 3

without warp rider

with warp rider its still 2

[fossil snow]

if I could just reliably force warp charges like I used too....

[lyric burrow]

Mobility is kinda DSs thing but can be like 60 and be fine imo

[olive ember]

Basically except against flamers

[fossil snow]

I could stack the % buff so high

[olive ember]

BB got worse

kekw

[fossil snow]

SO high

[olive ember]

because they buffed it

but they also buffed enemy hp

so

yeah

[spare light]

cause I got this

[olive ember]

BB taking L's again feelsbad

[neat summit]

Yah but EP BB 2 shots crushers so it’s fine sort of

[lyric burrow]

Yeh id use that

[spare light]

got lucky on blessings

[olive ember]

eh idk I normally run warp charges with BB so this just sucks

warp charges cuz normally I run BB with purge build so BB is specifically anti armor

[neat summit]

I do the same but just switched to EP

I was only doing WC for CD resets on shield

[solar sand]

damn

78% damage and 10% weakspot

mk4

[cinder mesa]

ouch

[solar sand]

so close

[vestal forum]

perils of the warp is when you explode, right?

[lyric burrow]

Ye

[vestal forum]

I have to save myself from that 50 times for a pair of blue rarity pants

lmfao thats so bad

[neat summit]

🙂

[solar sand]

you can kinda spam it with warp siphon

i had it done in 2 matches

but yeah its annoying

like get up your peril just to explode then use it

[lyric burrow]

I just ran illisi and canceled the animation and saved myself a bunch for a few missions and got it pretty quick

[vestal forum]

the penance you can only complete alone seems easier than some of these earlier ones

[lyric burrow]

This was when the penance patch released tho so that was when there was only the push

[olive ember]

you

uh

you dont need smite for empowered psionics to work

just tested it

[woven cedar]

what blessings do i want on a surge staff?

[olive ember]

@long wharf @spice veldt

[lyric burrow]

Flurry nexus

[olive ember]

you dont need smite with empowered psionics surge staff bug

[hazy cedar]

Wtb blazing spirit on surge fatshark WHEN

[frigid sparrow]

You take smite so you can get the chain

The damage is extra

[lyric burrow]

Tbh id take one less target to take warp charges

Er

The other blitzes i mean

Wrong way around

[pine shore]

Brainburst is still so bad

[olive ember]

eh screw that

[pine shore]

90% of my targets die before I'm even half way charging

[olive ember]

give me some range to my surge staff

[pine shore]

It's so slow, my grandma would have time to get to the target, kill it and run back

[neat summit]

Skill issue

[pine shore]

You want siphon charges with brainburst

You want to use your ability with brainburst

But you don't want to use your ability with siphon charges

[frigid sparrow]

Range for surge? It's 25m

It's got a long touch

[neat summit]

Ideally you’d have a vet that’s competent to be able to clear all the specials in the zip code

[frigid sparrow]

You could take assail for range if you're so inclined

[brave fiber]

psa: BB Purgatus with emp is VERY fun

[neat summit]

^^

This is the way

I use it in auric maelstrom/Damnation all the time

[olive ember]

eh

warp charges is better with purge imo

[vestal forum]

the explosion penance would prolly be easier with a staff, huh?

[regal musk]

easiest with a force sword, just spam activate the special with one that has low resist lol

[vestal forum]

I have to kill a special tho

[north cradle]

Spam Illisi

[plucky token]

Would a Smite/Bubble/Warp Charge build for a Support Psyker be a decent idea?

[regal musk]

bonk it till its nearly dead, then spam special lol

[vestal forum]

I keep seeing this
wtf is illisi?

[north cradle]

Force Sword

[regal musk]

One of the force sword brands

[plucky token]

the meta sword people use

[north cradle]

Illisi = swingy boi
Deimos = stabby boi
Obscurus = obsolete

[plucky token]

I still like chainsword idgaf

[solar sand]

so does this work when my teammates get a kill, or does it have to be me then they apply it to my teammates?

[north cradle]

It's the former. It works the same way as launch day I'm pree sure

[vagrant frigate]

my game crashes every like 5 seconds ingame

[clear heath]

You have to be the one that kills

[plucky token]

got a build I can look at and try?

[primal radish]

Did they fix warp siphon and Scrier Gaze CDR or no?

[brave fiber]

just a sec

[primal radish]

Also what's the new surge staff bug I hear

[strong gulch]

So with the cleave improvements to dueling sword, the MK 2 lights and heavy 2 can actually cleave enough to easily and constantly proc rampage.

[plucky token]

EP effects surge staff for some reason. Giving it double damage without taking ep charges

[ripe yacht]

You do for hordes.

[plucky token]

It's silly, but not as bad as infinite smite was.

[ripe yacht]

It's good fun.

Little over tuned.

[proud hinge]

what is the go-to purgatus staff build? I looked around for guides but wasn't able to find many

[brave fiber]

this is what im using, warp nexus + flurry on purgatus with dueling mk4 uncanny and riposte

[proud hinge]

I guess there's my answer!

[solar sand]

oh my that is fun

[plucky token]

nice ill check it out

ty

[clear heath]

So was I just imagining things or are there more gunners now?

[plucky token]

I dunno they claimed they reduced spawn and increased enemy health but I really dont see that many fewer guys

[regal musk]

Havent noticed more gunners, But i have seen a lot more silent trappers just spawning directly behind other specials.
Had a couple of occasions where ive taken down flamers and shotgunners only for a silent trapper standing perfectly still behind them to fling a net at me

[atomic zephyr]

my main chainsword is bloodletter/wrath, but im curious what other builds i can run as a psyker. mainly use for horde/elites/bosses

im curious to keep rampage

[clear heath]

Maybe they reduced the bigger melee elite spawns and that just ends up leaving more room for gunners to spawn?

[frigid sparrow]

Savage sweep is OP on chainsword

Rev it up can be super funny on zealot with momentum

[burnt sparrow]

4 Atoma

[olive ember]

#psyker-class message

[brave fiber]

since nobody answered, taking surge with empowered psyonics actually applies the increased damage thats supposed to only be applied to smite on surge's ability

so in short: surge op rn

[olive ember]

surge is useable now

it went from trash

to decent

[brave fiber]

i dont think it was trash at all

[olive ember]

it only took them doubling the damage

it was pretty bad

[spare light]

nah, imo, it went from mediocre & niche to good

[brave fiber]

crit surge pre-patch was pretty fun and good, fast charge with high damage, enough to 3 shot a crusher

[olive ember]

3 shot a singular crusher isn't

that good

[brave fiber]

with how fast you can spam it i think so

• it stuns

[spare light]

Derpy is just a surge hater!

[olive ember]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I want it to be not shit

and currently with +125% damage

its not shit

[spare light]

it's enjoyable now yea

[brave fiber]

nah i def agree surge needs buffs but i dont at all think it was bad

[spare light]

from having to hope you crit to one shot an elite, to knowing you can one shot is nice

[copper torrent]

okay, I am 90% sure illisi has quell cancel light attacks now

[valid atlas]

I dunno how the Eviscerator got better...

[olive ember]

just make surge have +100% damage

like I've been saying

get rid of its interaction with empowered and with smite

[spare light]

and better blessings

[olive ember]

blessings are fine, one gives faster charge time the other gives better crit chance

[unique mist]

keep its smite +1 chain please

[brave fiber]

I like the idea of leaning into surge being strong with crit

[unique mist]

petition to give every staff surge

make surge get surge

double chain on crit

[spare light]

After playing some auric with barrier, I don't think I want to go away from it, those thousands of gunners be bitches

[ripe yacht]

It's a shame though because you can't go Shriek with the crit aura.

So you have to go gaze or dome… and done is great—actually, it's really great—but shriek is just…

Something else.

[unique mist]

Shriek clears rezzes

shriek is so chainable

saves you from accidentally going over 100

[ripe yacht]

Saves you when you intentionally go over 100.

Lets you wave clear with soulflame/smite.

Just so good.

[spare light]

But barrier saves you from being gunned down

Both good choices

[unique mist]

Well if gunners are fucking you just shriek at them and charge in with smite or melee

knocks them down

[ripe yacht]

Or get a crit and then run at them!

[spare light]

Not if they are on the other side of the map

[unique mist]

Well then you have other problems I'll wager

[ripe yacht]

Or suppress them with surge m1 and then run at them!

[unique mist]

How do you suppress them?

[ripe yacht]

Shoot in their general direction.

[unique mist]

I am unfamiliar with suppression mechanics

[ripe yacht]

A lot.

[jolly cedar]

im done man

ive upgraded 20 voidstrike staffs to legendary

not a single one of them got surge

i only got 2 different T4 blessings from those staffs

[ripe yacht]

Same boat mate. It's sad. 😦

[jolly cedar]

this system needs to be changed

dont feel like playing until then

[ripe yacht]

Bunch of suppressive(?) fire though lmao.

[jolly cedar]

all quell peril for me

[ripe yacht]

Got that too 😄

And terrifying barrage.

But not one surge at any quality.

[ebon jolt]

Wasnt in patch notes

[spare light]

I only upgrade to blue for blessings

[solar sand]

cleared auric mael with a bot and it felt like a 4^, smite bug reigns again

[jolly cedar]

what?

[jolly cedar]

isnt the chance of getting a T4 blessing by ugrading to blue like less than 5%?

[olive ember]

yeah no

laspistol is nutty

a crit with hit does 4x the damage

ima try it out on my vet

[spare light]

I dont know about that, maybe? I've bad several t4s on blues, including surge

[jolly cedar]

hmm

[spare light]

Took me about 12 tries tho

[jolly cedar]

might be worth a shot

cause i buy blue staffs

and then upgrade to legendary

[solar sand]

does this make you do true damage and then extra damage?

[spare light]

Buy its cheaper

[jolly cedar]

if we go from green

i can upgrade like 10 green staffs instead of 1 blue

[jolly cedar]

yes

[spare light]

I go from white to blue

[jolly cedar]

10x cheaper

[jolly cedar]

think green is fine too

but yeah i can do white if there are no greens in store

[spare light]

I just buy staves, if stats are shit, I use it to get blessings

[spice veldt]

idk what is meant by true damage, but here's how rending works

+Rending% contributes an additive effect to your armour damage modifiers.
If your attack deals 20% damage to Carapace, then +50% rending means that your attack now deals 70% damage to carapace.

If your attack deals 100% or more damage to an armour type, then every 1% of rending contributes to your armour damage modifiers at a reduced effectiveness of 1/4ths. So, if your attack deals 100% and you had +100% rending, you would deal 125% damage instead.

The caveat to all of this is that rending% does not affect the Unarmoured or Infested armour types. (On the other hand, it affects the 4 other armour types)

[south canopy]

What's the cool meme build people are running with surge staves?

[solar sand]

empowered applies to the surge staff, and does not consume charge

[willow hazel]

@south canopy do you mean using the bug?

[south canopy]

Whatever it is

[teal needle]

Does assail count for shooting bounties

[solar sand]

ranged damage yes

ranged kills

[strong gulch]

the game not switching weapons got me

[velvet spear]

how do we like the new update siblings

[frigid sparrow]

That looks useful

[willow hazel]

@south canopy https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a756a7b-24db-460d-b27c-1a56446468d4/surge-bug-abuse

[south canopy]

Alright thanks friend

[unique mist]

Pretty good, big BB buff, smite bug fix and buff, assail nerf and buff, force staff buffs, voidstrike nerfs, mk3 autogun nerf, lasgun buff

smite no longer lags your game much

[frigid sparrow]

How much does the damage stat affect soulblaze damage ticks?

[steel flame]

it doesnt

[willow hazel]

@frigid sparrow 0%

[frigid sparrow]

Wait

Wow

[willow hazel]

Damage is dump stat for Purgatus

[frigid sparrow]

I'm running crit purge and that staff dropped omg.

[steel flame]

your damage perks like 25% flack damage do inscrease burn damage

[strong gulch]

Basically perfect. Just change perks.

[steel flame]

but damage does not

[unique mist]

Also add crit chance and flak for perks

[frail pewter]

is this thing bricked?

what do i do with it?

[steel flame]

man im still hunting for a laspistol with perfect perks but even just having infernus and dum dum is more than enough to fuck shit up

[unique mist]

unfortunately only good things are stats and warp nexus

[willow hazel]

Change run n gun to surge for sure

[steel flame]

i miss when fire void was good

[frail pewter]

yeah, stats is not even good distribution 😦

[steel flame]

but now void is too killy so it sucks at spreading fire

[frail pewter]

damage is low

[analog agate]

already getting people leaving cause im using surge. haha

[primal radish]

Anyone know what is the actual difference between "finesse damage" (Scrier's) and "weak spot damage" (disrupt Destiny)

[spice veldt]

+30% finesse damage = +30% weakspot dmg & +30% crit dmg

[primal radish]

Ok but disrupt Destiny then lists out weak spot and crit damage so they're just being inconsistent again? Lol

[spice veldt]

prob cuz it gives a higher bonus to crit dmg

[primal radish]

Oh yea nvm

[spice veldt]

but it lists them separately for zealot's Duellist

[faint sigil]

what do you think, go for the warp flurry 4?

[spice veldt]

so fatshark descriptions

[faint sigil]

or overwrite flak

[primal radish]

Yea idk, they should just remove finesse damage and always list out crit dmg and weak spot

[steel flame]

yeah that would make to much sense, motion denied

[primal radish]

I think remove unyielding over flak?

Ok and then are stacking buffs additive or multiplicative? Like two 10% attack speed buffs equal 20% or no?

Or like 25% unyielding on a gun with veteran 20% unyielding talent is 45% unyielding damage?

[prime tundra]

does empowered psyonics only proc on a warp kill?

[primal radish]

Pretty sure procs on any kill

[spice veldt]

assuming that it's additive is prob the most conservative and likely scenario

but god knows

like the stuff from zealot's stealth ult used to be multiplicative but was changed to be additive in this patch

[primal plume]

Creeping Flames and Empowered Smite is fucking amazing

[river willow]

so goddamn good at throwing little force balls now

[strong gulch]

lvl 15 in this T5. It went bad. 😩

[prime tundra]

yeah staff light attacks feel a lot better

[brave fiber]

lowkey people thought smite damage would still be too low but its pretty great rn

(with emp)

[primal plume]

it did like 23 damage a tick

burn just makes everything die even faster

and procs battle meditation

which lets you go even longer

its fucking great

[brave fiber]

smite overall just feels really good now

the dopamine from blowing people up also helps

[ebon jolt]

Columnus IAG is pretty lite now for scriers gaze + DD. Would recommend you give it a try.

[brave fiber]

gun psyker just seems morally wrong

maybe one day ill try it

[pine shore]

I have no idea how to brainburst, even after the buffs it feels so bad

[brave fiber]

use empowered psyonics

its very fun

[unborn flicker]

I feel like they just neutered the crap out of our class again

[prime tundra]

how so?

[brave fiber]

they nerfed assail and voidstrike

both were very obviously op

[unborn flicker]

They need to make our blitz scale with the difficulty so it’s not getting torn down in upper rank content while being overpowered in lower rank content

[brave fiber]

all psyker blitzes are good, it just depends how you use them

[spice veldt]

...which blitz do you happen to be referring to

[unborn flicker]

I feel like all of their targeted nerfs , which were very necessary for lower rank missions , are only making us squishier and less effective as a class in higher ranked missions

[prime tundra]

that's a good point

[unborn flicker]

Brain burst

Some thing I would consider to be a one tap for everything, except for final boss

Is a two and even three tap for a lot of higher level missions

[spice veldt]

not as it currently is, I would never ever give it a one-tap for all non-monstrosities

not without adding more complexity to the weapon

[brave fiber]

BB is incredibly great for picking off high value targets who arent monstrosities

[spice veldt]

you don't deserve straight up one-taps for an aim assist weapon without some extreme cons or downsides

[unborn flicker]

My suggestion would be make it scale, length, wise and peril wise with what you’re trying to blow up

So the more health, the thing has, the longer it takes to do a brain burst on it

But it will always be a one tap

[north cradle]

Which of you guys are Team Dome and Team Wall? I feel like I'm not getting the use out of the dome like I wanted

[unborn flicker]

And can get interrupted if you get meleed

[spice veldt]

that sounds extremely annoying

[brave fiber]

dome is really good imo, especially in open areas

[unborn flicker]

Any more annoying than having to hit the same enemy three times?

[spice veldt]

I'd rather keep the uninterruptible BB that we currently have

sure that sucks, but that sounds more like a gripe with BB's shitty DPS than anything else

like besides cutting out the casting animation, it's going to be basically the same

and a gameplay loop where you can just peek out, go back into cover, and wait for 9 seconds to kill an enemy just sounds boring

[unborn flicker]

Let’s move on then, smite. Palpatines lightning with all the power of an electric flyswatter.

[prime tundra]

oh man the surge empowered psyonics bug is so wonderful

[brave fiber]

best cc in the game

[unborn flicker]

I can’t figure out if they’re trying to make it a cc ability or a damage ability or some combo of the two

[north cradle]

What if it works like Doom Eternal's ghostbuster beam and you just sap the life out of your enemy over time

[leaden oxide]

Wow that new surge bug is fun

[unborn flicker]

But it’s still feels underwhelming when you can just use the surge staff and get the same effect and quadruple the damage

[brave fiber]

surge... on like max 2 targets

[manic halo]

anyone else really like the knife psyker character? really cool

ignore the ult

i am a psyker

surely.

[unborn flicker]

Lmao

[ripe yacht]

That's pretty cool.

[brave fiber]

meanwhile you can stun an entire horde with smite

[manic halo]

I didn't know the knife even had a model at all

[prime tundra]

they do need to add an additional target baseline to smite I feel. It's great for crowd control and stunning enemies which it can't always do effectively since you can run out of targets to stun

[manic halo]

cool for something we never see lol

[unborn flicker]

Bro honestly just telekinesising a knife into the enemies heads would be Baller

[spice veldt]

why would the zealots steal out powers like this

[north cradle]

They hate us because they anus

[unborn flicker]

I guess I would just like it if the smite left click did more DPS to a singular target something with a little more oomph

It just feels like cc is all they kind of want us to do

[north cradle]

I honestly can't tell the difference between LMB and RMB Smite

[unborn flicker]

And yeah, that’s helpful, but it gets really boring

[brave fiber]

smite m1 is pretty useless i'll give you that

[prime tundra]

I don't even use smight alt fire

[unborn flicker]

You can use left mouse button immediately, but it travels slower between enemies and doesn’t do as much damage

I think

[brave fiber]

m1 targets like 1 dude, m2 spreads to a few dozen enemies

[north cradle]

But it charges so fast tho

[unborn flicker]

It’s only really useful if a pox burster is about to jump inside of your rear end

[manic halo]

You had it too good for too long

[prime tundra]

damage is still negligible it's really just good for the stun IMO

[stone narwhal]

I wish empowered psionics reduced smite's cost rather than I crease damage. 150% of almost zero is still almost zero.

[lunar hollow]

u have had it good for too long

now u must live in envy as we get to use crusher

[prime tundra]

although when paired with empowered psyonics you can kill at a lot of poxwalkers I guess

[lunar hollow]

as a real weapon

and not a stun stick

[prime tundra]

yeah true

[brave fiber]

id say the damage increase is quite noticeable

[unborn flicker]

Fr like i said , it’s an electric fly swatter

[spice veldt]

zealots stole our protein supplements and dumbbells

[unborn flicker]

Once again, endgame auric level, it’s shite

[lunar hollow]

and vet stole your .5 stamina regen

[spice veldt]

nooooooooooo

[lunar hollow]

u can get half second regen delay

with better base stamina

[spice veldt]

psykers truly are the most oppressed

[manic halo]

AND NOW

we steal

[unborn flicker]

They really need to increase our power with the mission level or something

[manic halo]

your heart

[spice veldt]

😳

[lunar hollow]

(it's also not a great idea to build for it)

[spice veldt]

this sign can't stop me (i can't read)

[stone narwhal]

Maybe on trash mobs maybe but on everything else I don't see a difference, and any difference in damage is negated by the increased peril cost - as you're giving up significant reductions from the other tree.

[unborn flicker]

I’m OK with getting killed in two or three hits, just as long as I get to bring the fear of the warp to our enemies

[lunar hollow]

arco did u see the power of mk 6 psword

[spice veldt]

yeah

u cheater using rampage

tsk tsk tsk

still some nutty ass carapace damage wtf

[lunar hollow]

u can kill 2 crushers in one combo

with bugged rampage

[spice veldt]

crack cocaine psword

[lunar hollow]

otherwise u kill a crusher in 1 combo

[spice veldt]

god I love that vet doesn't have dogshit stamina and can properly use the mk6 now

[brave fiber]

smite isnt supposed to kill anything above trash mobs, its supposed to be a cc tool to let your team have breathing room when theres 8 crushers on your back

[lunar hollow]

they gave a reason to use the mk6 dps wise

[spice veldt]

time for me to roll a good mk6 whenever I play vet

[unborn flicker]

See? that’s how you know some thing is wrong with our class, we have to rely on bugs and unintended features in order to get use ability out of things that should just be more usable

[stone narwhal]

That's my point though. So why not have Empowered Psionic give a peril cost reduction?

[spice veldt]

i mean some stuff is underpowered but we have some overtuned stuff of our own

we just feel it particularly hard because our staffs just have really dogshit design and none of our blitz have enough complexity to deserve any particular power

[unborn flicker]

If we have anything overtuned, it’s only in lower levels

[spice veldt]

breh

[prime tundra]

Idea, they should increase the stun power of smite, so bigger enemies can't resist it for very long

stop a crusher in its tracks

[spice veldt]

I have a 2k hours in this game and I play high diffs exclusively

[stone narwhal]

I'd settle for that

[brave fiber]

because at higher levels cc is so much more valuable than lower levels, people can do a lot more with significantly less time

[spice veldt]

what do you mean that it's only overtuned on lower levels

[unborn flicker]

But see, I don’t even like that, though, it’s not fun just sitting there CCing enemies. It feels like you’re cheesing the game. It doesn’t require a lot of skill to do.

[spice veldt]

yeah it's a shit design

you're just a zealot nade except you can't do anything else while smite is up

[prime tundra]

without support if you try to just do that you'll get killed by other enemies, it only really works if you have support

[unborn flicker]

Trying to use any of our blitzes in higher level content is a sure fire way to get you killed and not really help your team as much as in lower level content

[stone narwhal]

Buddy, you're kind of proving my point here. Smite is a cc tool. Increasing damage therefore is neither needed nor really wanted.

[spice veldt]

i don't particularly care about smite or brain rupture since i don't use them, but Assail is very very viable in higher diffs

[unborn flicker]

And it’s a fun, flashy power, but that also requires no skill

[stone narwhal]

Empowered Psionic should either increase stun power or reduce cost.

[brave fiber]

i said that??????

[fierce crest]

smite and assail are both fine in damnation/aurics

[spice veldt]

unless you are making dogshit build decisions like not taking perilous combustion and true aim with it, I don't understand how you owuld think that it's underpowered

[prime tundra]

side note the mk iv duelling sword's heavy attack is amazing now

[fierce crest]

i can easily top the charts spamming assail in auric damnation

[unborn flicker]

Do you enjoy it? Does Your team?

[stone narwhal]

You've said like three times that it's not supposed to kill stuff. So I'm asking then why do we need empowered psionics to increase damage, when damage isn't the point?

[fierce crest]

hell no

i did it 2 games to prove it was still good at max difficulty

[spice veldt]

is it fun? no. Is it effective? yeah

[stone narwhal]

Assail is just not fun, I run smite because I enjoy it.

[spice veldt]

I agree that its design is dogshit, but using assail in higher diffs is not "a sure fire way to get you killed and not really help your team as much as in lower level content"

[unborn flicker]

oh, I remember watching a bricky stream, is him getting mad as a zealot trying to kill anything while an assail pysker just took everything out

[prime tundra]

surge is the opposite, not all that effective but pretty fun

[fierce crest]

only reason i did it twice is cuz i kept forgetting what i was doing the first game and kept not using it much

[prime tundra]

I've never really enjoyed brain burst for some reason

[analog agate]

Yes, surge is quite good right now

[fierce crest]

also wrong

[prime tundra]

subjective

[unborn flicker]

It’s because it’s not satisfying, just using it on one person, especially if that one person doesn’t die in a very satisfying way

[fierce crest]

void makes the other staffs feel weak

[unborn flicker]

Now if they had a group brain burst

[fierce crest]

but they arent

[unborn flicker]

That would be interestIng

[brave fiber]

I wouldve been fine with smite staying the way it was, but the increase to damage was a slight and noticeable buff that i dont think was entirely neccessary, but still nice nonetheless

[spice veldt]

should just remove perilous combustion and make it wrack & ruin again

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/16n2m8

[spice veldt]

why does kinetic flayer even exist

[kind jay]

damn deimos poke is nasty now

[fierce crest]

god

i wish

[lunar hollow]

here's a hi5shock solo clutch with void + assail + ds4

probably the least brain-on solo clutch u could pull rn

[prime tundra]

you kinda do with the talent that causes soulblaze to surrounding enemies on elilte kill

[stone narwhal]

A question for the ages.

[lunar hollow]

it had a point

not an intended one, but as a warp charge upkeep mechanism

[unborn flicker]

But that’s soul blaze

[lunar hollow]

now it's just like

[unborn flicker]

They should make a blitz that incorporates fire

[lunar hollow]

if u dont want to use any psyker blitz

u can run brain rupture with kinetic flayer

for a minor dps increase

[spice veldt]

well brain rupture is evidently on the soulblaze side of the tree

i really do think that they should just remove perilous combustion and slap wrack & ruin back into the game

[unborn flicker]

I don’t know what wrack and ruin is

[fierce crest]

oneshot stuff with purg staff

[fierce crest]

was an old talent

similar to perilous combustion

[royal falcon]

oh boy I can't wait to blow my kinetic flayer cd on a poxwalker

[spice veldt]

it does what Perilous Combustion does except per hit of Brain Burst on an elite/special

[unborn flicker]

Oh that

Meh

[fierce crest]

yeah if it didnt apply to commons thatd be neat

[olive ember]

don't you fucking dare

[royal falcon]

also

[olive ember]

why do you want psyker nerfed into the ground

[spice veldt]

wrack & ruin lost its main downside (competing with Warp Unleashed)

[olive ember]

smh

[royal falcon]

brain bursts should guarentee warp charges again

[frigid sparrow]

I don't understand how brain burst LMB and RMB work

[fierce crest]

could be neat if charges had unique effects with each blitz

[unborn flicker]

Left mouse button only works when it’s actually looking at a target

[fierce crest]

old BB charges

[frigid sparrow]

I notice I lose some charge time when I hold both. If I hold RMB and left click, it can cancel my attack

[olive ember]

rmb is pre charge / free aim, lmb locks on to the target who you started channeling on

[fierce crest]

maybe like every 5 kills with assail the same

[velvet spear]

what's the rationale for using smite vs my trusty lightning staff

[unborn flicker]

Right allows you to charge up ahead of time and then click left mouse button whenever you want to actually kill something once it’s charged

[fierce crest]

or 50 ticks of damage with smite

[olive ember]

you also have to be full charge to use rmb charge