psyker-class

[steel flame]

I dunno, that might actually end up making it more poweful

[teal needle]

If you're spamming assail you use them instantly is all

[sonic coral]

is it better to take the + crit chance blessing on a dueling sword or the + finesse damage blessing on dodge?
note that this is for the tree on the right, like ALL the crit stuff and etc.

[main tulip]

legit, it either didnt activate, or just makes no difference even when it does activate, i wiped out a horde (got the 90 enemies in 30s advancement) and didnt see it do anything

I mean, increasing time between projectiles sounds like a decent way to nerf it without making it useless

[ornate hamlet]

Hence; Warp charges all the way. 🙂 Reliable damage and lots of heat reduction.

[teal needle]

A few of your shards didn't use heat/ammo is all that happened. If you were shooting at full speed you probably used the stacks as you got them

[steel flame]

Or......just reduce ammo to three and increase the reload time a bit

[ornate hamlet]

I look forward to RMB Assail doing more damage, but it probably still won't be enough to 1 shot ranged Elites (?)

With head shots obviously.

[steel flame]

Nice bit of burst damage and then slows down after that till it reloads

[main tulip]

I mean, if thats the case, it wasnt noticable in just the typical use, and warp charge is just more reliable

[ornate hamlet]

A damage reduction to Assail was certainly not the right answer. People will spam it even more due to this and nothing changes. A more creative approach was in order.

[steel flame]

There is no creativity needed to just reduce the ammo

[main tulip]

Add either a bigger cooldown, or make it use more peril so spamming it is less practical, cause as of right now, a single psyker with assail can take out a horde without taking a single hit.

[ornate hamlet]

Can't everyone do that though by just spamming melee light attacks? I certainly do.

[steel flame]

I give up

[steel flame]

Psyker can do that with literally anything

[main tulip]

True, though not as effectively as psyker, atleast in my experience.

[steel flame]

Well anyway have fun with the same conversation as yesterday.....and the day before, and the day before that.....let me know if something constructive comes of it the 40th time it's talked about

[ornate hamlet]

Nothing constructive will come of it. It's all up to Fatshark anyway. 🙂 We can theorize all we like.

[hearty sedge]

I am looking forward to the surge staff gibbing

Blood for the god emperor!

[ebon jolt]

I’m looking forward to the MG1a getting buffed so I can use it on my gun psyker 🥳

[fresh reef]

lul

[whole oxide]

5 million dockets dumped on trauma staves, guess how many over 370 that didn't have 75+ quell

[ebon jolt]

I imagine they were all 380 with 60 charge speed.

[whole oxide]

5 million spent, 2 staves with good stats

guess how many hadron bricked

[whole oxide]

how did you know

[ebon jolt]

Because I also play this game.

[analog agate]

I got a “god roll” blaze trauma yesterday after 3 million. But, the dmg is only 59%. But, I am also really not noticing anything different from my 67% dmg one in terms of having to do an extra charge or anything

Less dmg to crushers I guess but i always pull out my mkiv for that anyway

[light knot]

should I look for a new staff or is this decent

[arctic harbor]

godly comp

[analog agate]

Sustained to flurry. Sprint to maniac/unyielding. And then look for a new staff. Cause that thing aint great

Not horrible, but not a long term keeper

[light knot]

currently low on plasteel and diamantine so it takes time to farm.

[still hearth]

Get a new one and rip off transfer peril

You definitely want Surge and Warp Nexus

Stats aren't amazing. Same with perks and blessings

[iron rune]

Having unlimited power with smite is a tad OP. Have they mentioned any changes coming to it ?

You can literally dodge round without taking your finger off the button and gain no peril at all

[steel egret]

#📢news-bulletin

[iron rune]

what am i looking at 😒

[iron rune]

"Dev Note: Smite being able to channel without cost when Empowered Psionics was active
was a bug. We do however feel that without it Smite can feel a bit lacklustre in combination
with Empowered Psionics, so we’re further increasing the power of it. We’ll be keeping an
eye on it, and are up for doing something related to cost in the future as long as it’s more
balanced this time around!"

"so we’re further increasing the power of it"

[modest pasture]

It does need a time limit at bare minimum if its gonna have zero cost.

[iron rune]

oh

[modest pasture]

It takes about 8 seconds to burst an unarmored, regular enemy with Smite.

[iron rune]

its possible to stun lock a whole room with it while you team mops enerything up

i feel it needs some sort of timer on it indeed

to be able to keep the buff till you recast is a bit mad

then you get 3 stacks to get through

[steel egret]

[dim parrot]

@still hearth im really getting used to your build and I must say its pretty strong and fun at the same time :D

[still hearth]

I mean it's not revolutionary but it works well for me so it's good if it works for others

Smiting most enemies is a waste of time though

Only maulers, crushers and ragers really need it

I use it to topple some other specialists and sometimes muties though

[iron rune]

I know, but, its kinda fun dodging round quoting old Empy Palps while shocking heretics

[still hearth]

That it is

UNLIMITED POWER

[iron rune]

i have gone from the start of the game as soon as i got 3stacks of the buff to the very end without taking my finger off it 😂

this was playing with a group of friends mind

[dim parrot]

yee only used smite in emergencies

mostly purg and dueling and it was fun as hell ^^

[iron rune]

it was a chore having to dodge backwards through the whole map tho 🤣

[dim parrot]

lmao yee u feel like a squid xD

[iron rune]

"○ Increased bonuses from Talent “Empowered Psionics” - +125% Damage,
50% faster spread between enemies
○ Fixed an issue where the Talent “Empowered Psionics” incorrectly made
Smite not cost any Peril" this will bring it down a peg but make it still fun to use i think

[lyric burrow]

I will miss bullying plague ogryns trying to charge me by just dodging in a circle around obstacles

[iron rune]

we shall see

[still hearth]

Empowered Smite

Needs to do +400% damage

Then I'd fucking use it

Boyaaa

Melt a few targets

[dim parrot]

damn imagine wagons

[iron rune]

it is pretty easy to get 3 stacks of it tho

[still hearth]

Yeah but +125% isn't enough

Especially since you don't have the warp resistance from warp charges

[dim parrot]

in that time your teammates already killed everyone

[iron rune]

+125% and the ability to stun lock the whole room

it is a team game

[still hearth]

Yeah but it's also a kill things fast or lose game

Everything is on a timer

[dim parrot]

indeed

[still hearth]

So CC is good but not when you tickle enemies with it

[iron rune]

i agree in a way. I just think it being able to melt everything and have it stun lock is a bit too much

[ebon jolt]

Make sure to try the build with Brian rupture too! I’ve had some games where I’ve used BR as much as the Purgatus staff and it’s a blast.

[still hearth]

Idk. I'd rather they just drop the damage bonus and make the empowered a like duration based stun

So you can just zap a horde and then swap

To kill things

[ebon jolt]

Or include peril reduction as well. Just not 100% reduction.

[still hearth]

I hate that they're kept the stupid CC thing

At least make it like trauma and voidstrike

[dim parrot]

Imma see, but have 2 find a good build first ^^

[copper fox]

What kind of build is scriers good for?

[light knot]

https://tenor.com/view/u-unlimited-power-star-wars-lightning-gif-14542323

[vocal sundial]

meleeing stuff with force sword

[ruby meadow]

Shredder autopistol

[ebon jolt]

It’s basically the same build but swap smite for BR and one of the points up top for faster and cheaper BR on ability cast.

[ebon jolt]

Laspistol with DD keystone has been popular.

[obsidian arch]

whats up needlers

[dim parrot]

aight bet, gonna look into it tomorrow, cause I'm not so much into smite in its current state xD

I wanna do DAMAGE

even tho supporting is also coolio

[ebon jolt]

Well brain rupture isn’t great either right now but it’s still fun to use.

[obsidian arch]

support by doing damage

[iron rune]

haha

[still hearth]

This is the way

[dim parrot]

and I dont really wanna use assail anymore cause it leads 2 bad play

[obsidian arch]

it leads to carries in my experience

[iron rune]

Assail is fun tho

and a lot of carry indeed

[obsidian arch]

assail is not overtuned, its just perfect on heresy/damnation

[dim parrot]

true, but what I mean is, u rely on it to much

[young meteor]

And it's jsut getting a slap on the wrist. Meanwhile, recon lasguns ...

[dim parrot]

wich isn't good if u wanna get better

[iron rune]

i mena, if your winning damnation do you need to get better

[dim parrot]

I guess so? I wanna win auric at some point xD

[still hearth]

Just perfectly OP

[young meteor]

I suspect it'll hit another nerf

[obsidian arch]

get outta here

[iron rune]

Auric is a bit of a mad difficulty scale tho.. i dont feel its right personally, need tweaking

[ebon jolt]

Rip VId for all non vets.

[iron rune]

it can be impossible at times

[obsidian arch]

oh no no no

you dont say

[dim parrot]

honestly I just wanna reach my full potential

[obsidian arch]

boltgun needs more ammo

[acoustic osprey]

luckily i only use the viia

[dim parrot]

imagine using ammo lmao

[obsidian arch]

im trying to be "good" at the game

gotta use all your tools ya know

[dim parrot]

probably one of the reason why it will kinda suck 2 play other classe after psyker, I would hate 2 run around and fight my teammates for ammo

[iron rune]

who needs ammo when you can will the heads of your enemys to explode /s

[ebon jolt]

I want to use a staff and a gun 😃

[obsidian arch]

this happens, especially when you use boltgun. but if im playing psyker obv ill give it up

[dim parrot]

Id rather ping ammo for my teammates that need ammo

[iron rune]

Yep.. this is the main reason why i dont enjoy playing anything els at the min.. I started with the psyker and feel that was a bad idea

because now i cant put him down

[dim parrot]

maybe melee zealot

[spare light]

What are some blessings taken on purg staff?

[wet belfry]

I think playing multiple classes does atually make you a better player.

[obsidian arch]

its always hit or miss, i love teammates that ping and communicate but most matches nobody types or pings its sad

[still hearth]

Wait until they're nerfed to the ground again

[dim parrot]

probably yes

[ebon jolt]

For those Ogryns that use the rumbler against regular mobs.

[iron rune]

True, but i still played mine even through all that. I still found it fun to play, ya know

[wet belfry]

Its straight up getting a playstyle teared up and having to reinvent the wheel.

[iron rune]

it dont seem like the nerf hammer is coming all that stong this time thop

[dim parrot]

mostly for my ogryn friends!

[iron rune]

i hope

[ebon jolt]

Warp nexus and warp flurry. There are only 4 blessings total and these happen to be the best.

[dim parrot]

also I don't get that reference, I reckon rumbler is big gun that wastes a lot of ammo?

[spare light]

so I kinda hit the jackpot with this one huh

[ebon jolt]

It’s the single shot grenade launcher.

[still hearth]

Yeah that's pretty great. You definitely want Cloud Radius at 80% if you can but

[obsidian arch]

now lets see paul allens purgatus force staff

[still hearth]

It's maybe like half a meter of range less

[spare light]

thanks

[dim parrot]

oooh ok

hope I can convince more of my friends 2 play this game, its really fun so far ^^

[static needle]

Is this pistol any good in yalls opinion?

[eternal junco]

agreed

Maxing every class gives you an idea of how that class operates and how to best position yourself to keep the team cohesive

[eternal junco]

early game I'd go with a staff

[static needle]

ive heard force staff isnt good until lvl 30

is that right?

[eternal junco]

Laspistol good later on when you can get a truly good one at like l30

[eternal junco]

purgatus/shock/voidstrike are all good as soon as you get them

Trauma is bad unless you really know how to use it and get a good one

[static needle]

why was i told that force staff isnt very good compared to using it at lvl 30?

[eternal junco]

they were probably talking about the trauma staff

[static needle]

ye might be

[whole oxide]

there is no such thing as "force staff"

[eternal junco]

They're all force staffs

[whole oxide]

well, yeah, exactly

[static needle]

What is better at lvl 12 for the voidstrike staff: 37% damage + 20% warp resistance OR 30% damage and 38% warp resistance??

[whole oxide]

probably more warp-resistance, you'll be 1-shotting most stuff on lower difficulties with void either way

but i really wouldn't worry too much about stats until you're L30

[static needle]

lower difficulties... like level 3?

[whole oxide]

ya

[static needle]

ok bought it

another question, is laspistol good early game if u get a nice roll?

[plucky token]

So what's going to be the build for Smite when it the bug gets fixed. Still EP or Warp Charges?

[whole oxide]

probably not, laspistol needs some of the later traits available to make good use

[static needle]

ok

These are some good rolls for level 11 tho, no? @whole oxide

[orchid nest]

depends really on what staff you are using. the new EP smite should do enough dps to horde clear which is pretty useful if you have surge staff. with the other staves though you don't need it to do that

[ebon jolt]

I image the best way to level psyker right now is to just use assail.

[plucky token]

Will it do enough damage for that for Horde Clear? I keep hearing conflicting theories of it being enough vs it's still not enough damage.

[orchid nest]

it should do roughly 160ish dps with the new change and spread quicker so unless it gets changed before it goes live it should be enough to kill chaff. if you have the venting shriek soulfire thing going it should also kill some of the lower health elites

[whole oxide]

the thing is, you'll out-level that stuff so fast, i wouldn't worry about the rolls. if you want it to try the weapon-type, go for it, but the stats will soon be meaningless

[static needle]

ok

[plucky token]

I like playing Support Psyker so ill prob still roll with Bubble. Especially since they are buffing it.

[plucky flax]

Best way to play psyker right now*

Or like most efficient way.

[orchid nest]

yeah fair enough, both are good

[plucky mortar]

my beloved is telling me to kill john lennon

[eternal junco]

byeah

[plucky token]

Mark David Chapman was the Chris Chan of his time.

Only in Psyker Chat can we know such forbidden knowledge and ponder it.

https://tenor.com/view/neco-arc-neco-arc-orb-gif-23948798

[brittle ferry]

Does anyone have a surge+smite build I can steal

[ornate hamlet]

Are force swords any good?

[open crag]

I enjoy the Deimos

[slate oasis]

I also like the deimos, it's my favorite of the force swords

[strong gulch]

Here's two. @plucky flax's and @shadow wigeon's

@plucky flax Focuses more on flames and wap resist.
#psyker-class message

@shadow wigeon Focuses more toughness regen.
#psyker-class message

[shadow wigeon]

I don't resist the Wap

[ivory cloak]

Worth it or meh?

[plucky flax]

[strong gulch]

The first one is in the beginning of the video and then you just choose the toughness nodes at the begining.

I like both and took both. 😀

[strong gulch]

Unless it's a huge upgrade for you, it's meh.

You'd either have to change both blessings or you could do a soulblaze voidstike that still requires a blessing and perk change.

Blaze void is a meme iirc.

[torpid void]

how does the smite exploit work?

[ivory cloak]

Yeah I don't have much gear on my psyker. Just kinda run him for farming runs/ getting them melkbucks

[shadow wigeon]

I've made it slightly more degenerate... I'll update and post the build and gear.

[strong gulch]

I thing there is too much damage for blaze void to actually get fire to proc and spread.

Also iirc, blast radius is now important.

[strong gulch]

Good good

[dim parrot]

no! bad sibling

[strong gulch]

Then I'd grab it. You'll still have enough melk money for something else.

You can add things to this staff later/ get a better one later.

[brittle ferry]

Does psyker have any good bossing weapons

[torpid void]

sorry, i just wanted to try it before gets patched

[crude cape]

surge staff unyielding values are pretty good. Is it the best boss dps weapon or at least close to void? its charge speed is insane, i feel like i wanna test +25% unyielding on it

[lyric burrow]

boss damage isnt great

[crude cape]

it was like 800-1k+ on crits i thought i saw on the tables

[lyric burrow]

psyker struggles a bit in that department but its not unusable if youve got some help from teammates

void has the advantage of stagger

[crude cape]

ya our weakness is boss dmg now, just trying to figure out my best way to help with my surge build

[strong gulch]

Most psyker monster damage is pee pee poo poo. Surge isn't great.

[lyric burrow]

its awkward with surge cause the best melee stuff for unyielding would be redundant

BB is an ok option

[unique mist]

thats funny, mine is telling me to kill the malaysian prime minister... https://tenor.com/view/benstiller-willferrell-zoolander-happy-gif-3580491

Pretty sure psykers' best monstrosity damage is voidstrike with the surge blessing

and +25% unyielding of course

[dim parrot]

zoolander the goat

[strong gulch]

Monster staff options.
#psyker-class message

There's a coversation about monster/ boss damage with guns that had actually meaningful damage. IDK there that is.

[fresh reef]

can the voidstrike nerf come sooner so I can use it without feeling bad about it

[lyric burrow]

true

i cant use assail/dome/void

even illisi is pushing it

i feel bad

[acoustic osprey]

void is really boring

[strong gulch]

Yeah, That's why I take DD a lot of time, so I don't have to worry about infinite domes or lightening.

[eager token]

what’s wrong with illisi

[faint sigil]

How do you guys feel about the new scythe? I am not a huge fan yet, been enjoying running dagger with the skelebois

[lyric burrow]

infinite dodges makes you near invincible, does really well in single target esp for a really good horde clear weapons, synergizes well with quell/generate peril nodes, great cleave on heavy special

[dim parrot]

dd?

[lyric burrow]

disrupt destiny

[ebon jolt]

Darkest Dungeon.

[eager token]

infinite dodges are on all force swords aren’t they

[lyric burrow]

yeah

[eager token]

idk illisi doesn’t feel crazy overpowered to me rn

[lyric burrow]

tbf its broken on all of them lol

[dim parrot]

drunk driver

[lyric burrow]

theres a reason they are getting rid of it

[eager token]

infinite dodges yes but everything else feels eh

[dim parrot]

its cause it isn't broken

it even gets buffed after the update

[eager token]

wtf based

love me illisi love me emprah

[dim parrot]

indeed

[open crag]

Gaze/disrupt the best way to run a sword focused build? I like whacking things with a force sword but both abilities feel underwhelming

[sonic coral]

Yes, all right side of the tree, plus a laspistol

I call it the crackhead build, bring a mark 4 dueling blade

Could work with a force sword I guess

Probably worse tho

[stable silo]

I swap to deimos every now and then but the sheet uncut panic swinging in a circle while dodging illisi when everything goes to shit always pulls me back

[open crag]

Hmm maybe I'll try warp charges instead of disrupt. Maintaining destiny charges is so annoying

[sonic coral]

They mai tain themselves pretty well tbh

[spice veldt]

SPAM SPACEBAR PROTOCOL ACTIVATED VRRRRROOOOOOMMM

[strong gulch]

Finally found the post I was looking for on boss or monster damage.
#psyker-class message

Otherwise your staff otptions will be void then trauma. That for now tho. We'll see how the nerf shakes out.

[plucky token]

https://tenor.com/view/tradeoffer-gif-25994298

Infinite Smiter Psyker:

Trade Offer:

-I get: Your framerate

-you get: ez carry

A Fair Exchange

[unique mist]

idk about "ez carry"

in my experience the infinite smite psykers die the most

[dim parrot]

wich why it's only viable for the memes

[brazen warren]

smite and damage are not really things that go in the same sentence, even though the ability description describes the charged right click mode as "high damage"

45 dps is not high at all

[cold oasis]

Hey, you just need to cast it 5 times and 1 mob dies

[brazen warren]

how much hp do pox walkers have on damnation?

[fringe garden]

Smite is fantastic for quickly taking control of an upside down situation

Then you go back to DPS the moment your team is repositioned

And for trivializing hunting grounds

[blazing echo]

whats the duelling swords dump stat?

[brazen warren]

100% smite is amazing at CC and situation control, I do enjoy it more than assail/BB for that reason

mix it with creeping flames for venting peril and you get a very good room clear

[whole oxide]

cleave, and mobility isn't too important as long as its over 50

[fringe garden]

It's tempting to keep channeling it for longer than you really should, I think. Just because of the fun feel of it

I try to stop myself and go back to voidstrike as soon as is safe

[blazing echo]

I know (or think I know) that Uncanny needs to be on there somewhere but just dawned on me I have no idea what else adds to its lethality

[arctic harbor]

Which is better, dueling sword or force sword?

[blazing echo]

Duelling

[arctic harbor]

sorry i feel i should have not been lazy and wrote it out XD

ok dueling is best>

?*

[spice veldt]

for single-target, the mk4 duelling sword is better than the Deimos for now

[brittle ferry]

not sure how to feel about this staff

[blazing echo]

nice to know, is it likely to change next update though?

[fresh reef]

I'm tired boss

[brittle ferry]

is 8% blast radius usable?

[spice veldt]

I haven't compared the numbers so maybe

blast radius is whatevs

nice to have high but eh

[spice veldt]

this is so sad

I'm particularly interested in the MK2 duelling sword

[blazing echo]

I generally pay attention to all your opinions on weapons, can I ask what your interest in the II is?

[spice veldt]

MK2's shtick will be it's 2nd heavy

cuz it'll actually cleave instead of having 2 cleave

and it has the same h1 as the mk4, so presumably I won't be losing out on that

[lethal folio]

MkII stab does 30% less damage.

[spice veldt]

that's intended?😦

I cri

[lethal folio]

In as far as it does what the numbers tell it to.

[left turtle]

really looking forward to these BB buffs

[blazing echo]

Thanks for sharing

[brittle ferry]

What perk should I take on voidstrike?

Flak/maniac?

[spice veldt]

I was wrong and was huffing hopium that the mk2's h1 received the wrong values

[brittle ferry]

Or is crit chance worth

[fervent knot]

Just use a smite build with empowered psyonics, literally has infinite smite it’s actually op

[lethal folio]

II and IV have the same profile, but MkII has a reduced power multiplier applied for unknown reasons.

[spice veldt]

ah

[left turtle]

its op IF you have a team who has enough braincells together to kill the things you arent killing with your clown-zapper

[idle marten]

random question but does Reality Anchor for Scriers gaze work on gaze peril generation or that different then normal generation from staff or seomthing

[left turtle]

i love Smites control but god damn is it miserable when your teammates are in a corner cranking one off while you zap everything

[idle marten]

it just reals Peril generation so im assuming it works with itself but i dunno

[fervent knot]

Yeah it is mainly support like not much soloing with it but with a good 4 stack it’s really really good

[fierce crest]

nah its busted anyway

what are they gonna do, hit you?

[left turtle]

hit your from behind, cancel your smite, lose your EP and no longer have unlimited smite

[fervent knot]

Yeah that’s the big killer for me, the back hits

[left turtle]

you forget that smite in a cone, not a 360 ability

[fervent knot]

😂😂 trueeee

[left turtle]

i run BB when im solo,. and i run SMite when i group up with friends

smite is fucking miserable with randoms

you'd think theyd see 4 crushers all permanently stunned and go "hey easy target lets go eliminate it" but no.

[fervent knot]

I have one person to play with on my friends list and just random Qing it gets pretty hectic sometimes

[bold maple]

Disagree, you just need to pop an elite for soulblaze then smite

It spreads to everything

[left turtle]

maulers, scabs and crushers arent dying any sort of quickly with soulblaze homie.

[fervent knot]

I classify myself as the stagger machine 😂

[bold maple]

Just spam T and pray your team notice or use your melee lmao

[left turtle]

tf is T

[bold maple]

T is tag moron

[orchid nest]

the enigma of smite. people will try to steal all the elite kills for their name to be spammed and the scoreboard, until it is smited

[bold maple]

You dont know how to tag target?

[fervent knot]

My tag is left click

[left turtle]

mine is MMB

moron.

[bold maple]

Thats rough buddy

[blazing echo]

I bound mine to a mouse button long ago

[left turtle]

different people use different keybinds. moron.

[fervent knot]

Yeah I recon left click is probably worth it saves a lot of time when swinging ur sword n stuff

[left turtle]

who tf uses a key as their tag/ping? everyone who isnt slobbering on their chin rebound it to a mouse-button since the games inception

[ripe yacht]

Question is what do y'all use your mouse side buttons for?

[bold maple]

Yet I dont have issue with getting random to focus on elites and you do

[fervent knot]

Slide

[left turtle]

Grenade

[fervent knot]

I may change it to grenade tho that’s a good one

[blazing echo]

grenade and mark target

[left turtle]

rebound that after i started playing psyker for the first time to make accessing my blitz easier

[ripe yacht]

Weapon special/crouch here.

M5/M4 respectively.

[left turtle]

weapon special is another key. i have 12 on the side

[ripe yacht]

Heh.

[left turtle]

5 is weapon special, 8 is grenade.

[blazing echo]

my fat fingers have no problem hitting the F luckily

[left turtle]

im gonna remember this moment for a long time that someone tried to clown me when they use keys for fucking tag lmfao

[left turtle]

it took me a couple games to re-wire my brain when i re-bound grenade onto my mouse, i kept using weapon special when i meant to pull out my grenade lmfao

[bold maple]

Yep ill live rent free in your head while you cry about smite tard

[left turtle]

BB tim- (Parries)

[strong gulch]

When possible, dodge and push to talk.

[blazing echo]

Im having similar issues using any of the non original specials, my muscle memory is still working only on the old skills

[ripe yacht]

Okay that's weird.

Dodge?

PTT is fine, but dodge?

[left turtle]

dodge is really fuckin weird lol

but hey i know a guy who used his middle finger on LMB and ring finger on RMB, so

[blazing echo]

were adaptable humans, given long enough we'd adapt to any control set. Just takes time

[strong gulch]

Yee. Dedicated dodge.

[idle marten]

from a very scientific test of standing in the Psykhanium the -20% peril generation talent from Scriers Gaze effects its own peril generation neat

[left turtle]

i just pray these buffs to BB will be enough

i seriously dont think the assail nerfs are gonna be enough tho

but rather tweaks than knee-jerk reactions

[ripe yacht]

So what's the vibe on Scrier's Gaze? I've asked before, but wondering if it's changed.

I'd really like to get 30% free damage use it. 😀

[left turtle]

ill be honest, ive yet to hear literally anyone say anything good about it

like, even slightly

[ripe yacht]

That's about the response last time I asked lol.

[left turtle]

ive never used it so i have no personal opinion

[whole oxide]

people are only running it for memes, nobody's picking it 'cos they think it's actually optimal

[left turtle]

well optimal is one thing, usable is another

[west smelt]

Good for gunsyker builds

[whole oxide]

oh, its perfectly usable

[left turtle]

because if you want optimal, you will ONLY use assail/voidstrike staff

[west smelt]

I actively use it for my build of revolver and duel sword Mk4

[strong gulch]

Gaze is better for non warp stuff. So non warp melee and guns.

[west smelt]

^ exactly

[left turtle]

so like a battle-psyker

[west smelt]

Staves and sometimes force swords are scary with it

[worn cypress]

psyker is in a p good position where picking whatever is perfectly usable

[ripe yacht]

Hmm…

[left turtle]

what Exactly does scriers gaze do again

[west smelt]

Cause the peril generation 50% and above gets ramped up and really fast

[worn cypress]

sciers fine

[orchid nest]

tuning aside scriers and DD are both boring and need a complete rework on that grounds alone imo

[shadow wigeon]

@strong gulch https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a68be63-bfea-459d-b019-81c818e18e5c/hectic-surge-5

[ripe yacht]

I don't do non-force psyker builds (why not use the thing your class does?)

Tried it a couple times and it was real rough not overloading.

[shadow wigeon]

Only real change was committing to more toughness, and putting Shred on the Illisi.

[strong gulch]

I heard people use with warp things, but it's not my jam.

Someone runs BB with Gaze and EP.

[idle marten]

well ive been using Gaze for awhile now seems neat the dps inscrease its nice the dps increase it dope but it requires alot of Peril management skills

[left turtle]

i assume you meant BB. and i dont think its boring or needs a complete rework. just damage needs to go up very slightly

[orchid nest]

nah not BB. disrupt destiny

[left turtle]

ah okay i figured cause you included scriers gaze in it. my b

[ripe yacht]

That's my impression as well.

[spice veldt]

dealing 1.7k damage with an assail shards with DD up 😎

[west smelt]

Hold on, wrong image

[left turtle]

could smite actually turn into a room clear with proper Scriers gaze/DD

potentially

[ripe yacht]

Like on paper it looks real good. I think it's probably amazing if you're a bloody Peril ninja.

But also… god damn is that hard.

[idle marten]

ive been running Melee PSyker with Deimos forcesword and Surge Staff and Smite

[west smelt]

Correct image, 10% damage and 20% crit chance, 1% damage increase per second for max of 30%, it lasts 10 seconds after gaze has ended

[burnt tapir]

So Sienna is up to 7 staffs, with mostly unique left clicks. Any guesses how long it'll take the Psker to reach parity, if ever?

[strong gulch]

😶

[left turtle]

i wouldent harm yourself with comparing VT and DT

[strong gulch]

BR with no accoutrements.

[west smelt]

Scrier's gaze is good for battle psykers without warp weapons as it can get dangerous using said weapons at high peril, you can psy-push or charging a staff and explode yourself

[burnt tapir]

Has anyone gone through the trouble to test if the Crit chance lingers, or just the damage?

[west smelt]

Not yet it seems, dont think it does

From the description

[orchid nest]

we're on the VT1 run right now, we'll reach parity on the more complete and longer lasting DT2

[burnt tapir]

Purg staff can use Gaze easily. The crit chance boost is fun and can be maintained for a long time.

[west smelt]

I'm a gunpsyker so not too sure on actual staves interacting with Gaze

I basically play mine as a zealot-lite with BB on the side

[brazen warren]

what gun do you use?

[sharp fractal]

I'm seeking assistance in Darktide to further enhance my illustrious Level 17 Psyker character. The problem is, my current teammates lack the competence to appreciate the sheer greatness that my Psyker represents. If you're a player with the expertise and wisdom to match my Psyker's Level 16 prowess, I encourage you to reach out. Whether you favor the Psyker class or another, your support could be the missing piece in our journey.

[strong gulch]

I want to use Gaze on my revolver build, but I can't let go of my bubble.

[west smelt]

Either Accratran or Revolver

[left turtle]

🤓

[west smelt]

Mostly revolver as I don't like the iron sights on the lasgun

And I can't blast ragers as easy

[burnt tapir]

At that low of a level, just use any staff except surge, run shield + assail and auto win everything

[strong gulch]

One of the reason why I play revolver. So many guns take up a lot of the screen.

Also so I can shoot through thicc ogryn butt.

[burnt tapir]

note, assail will rapidly lose effectiveness once you get to T4/5 missions

it does fuck all against armor

[sharp fractal]

I'm on the verge of tears over here. My Level 16 Psyker in Darktide is just too much for my "teammates" to handle. They're about as useful as a chocolate teapot, and I'm practically drowning in a sea of despair.

[burnt tapir]

but mows down most anything else

assail + shield

solo carry

[left turtle]

i... hate this guy

[burnt tapir]

run 2s until you feel confident

[strong gulch]

A wild @spice veldt may appear.

[left turtle]

yeah homie this is some misinformation lol

[golden frigate]

use assail huh
spoken like a true rat
Illisi + trauma + smite/BB

[burnt tapir]

Idk, I run aurics mostly whenever I bother to play. Assail wrecks gunner squads. It does nothing to auric hordes and literally breaks on armor

[frank moat]

Arcotash could make any build OP though tbf

[left turtle]

MK1 Claw + Purgatus + BB/double wall shield.

[burnt tapir]

Dueling sword + trauma + assail + dome is what I run

[sharp fractal]

I couldn't help but notice that there's this player going by "Mr. Crow" in Darktide, who fancies himself a force to be reckoned with. But really, I have to let you in on a little secret: I'm light-years ahead of this Mr. Crow in terms of skill and finesse.

My Level 16 Psyker is a spectacle to behold, and the stark contrast between my abilities and Mr. Crow's...well, it's just too cringe-worthy to ignore. I'm practically a gaming deity compared to him.

[burnt tapir]

I cannot give up my sabre, the dodge is just

[west smelt]

TRUE on the ogyrn blocks, I realized that other guns dont actually shoot through teammates and only the revolver, which is really useful for trappers

[burnt tapir]

so good

[left turtle]

alright yeah thats a block, idc if its a troll, its making my stomach churn reading that

[strong gulch]

Assail can do some setups even if it's not great for armor.
#psyker-class message

[strong gulch]

💯

[west smelt]

Mk4's heavy poke is so freaking good, I love it against ogyrns and ragers.

[left turtle]

honestly ive felt the bubble is alot less valuable on t4/5. the double walls at least give me 2 sources of sped-up BB spams. and can be replaced if broken by the 14 gunners

[west smelt]

https://tenor.com/view/unsheathing-sword-puss-puss-in-boots-the-last-wish-its-finished-were-done-gif-26016673

My current psyker:

[burnt tapir]

what in the claymation fuck did I watch

[sharp fractal]

🤓

[strong gulch]

I MISSED THE HAT.

[burnt tapir]

The regen +50% damage reduction alone is so good

[west smelt]

IT MIGHT BE IN SHOP NOW

[left turtle]

wait i got mixed up with my vet, i usse the MK4 duelling sword on my psyker

[strong gulch]

Arco graphics

[burnt tapir]

I use whatever the Defense focused saber is

pretty much exclusively for mobility reasons, or kiting bosses

you are literally untouchable by bosses/demons/anything

with a high defense roll

[strong gulch]

It's not, but I'm going to squat here and gremlin out for while.

[west smelt]

Same but for the cape here.

[west smelt]

Do you mean actual blocking? Cause I just dodge any attacks as I don't rely on it, plus my zealot muscle memory translates easily to duel sword mk4

[left turtle]

ill be honest i prefer to just not get hit in the first place

[orchid nest]

it should be on the third page if I am remembering right

[burnt tapir]

yea but my teammates need it lmao

[strong gulch]

am moth

[burnt tapir]

mostly the dodging yea, I switch to it to dodge around then back to my staff

[ripe yacht]

Yep, done this.

[west smelt]

I used the last 400 of my pre-order aquilas after spending it on the robocop zealot gear

Just needed 1000 extra

Do the prem cosmetics reshuffle every week or 2 weeks?

[vocal swift]

Big oof just rejoined after long break and forgot to put any talent points up I forgot they changed the system.

[strong gulch]

@west smelt @orchid nest Oh thank goodnuss I'm just dumb. YAY HAT

[west smelt]

WOOHOO

[frank moat]

2 weeks

[west smelt]

Damn alright

[left turtle]

hasnt it been 2 weeks with the krieger armor

[strong gulch]

AM PIRATE

🥺

[thin finch]

tis best hat, but the feather is out of the screen

[left turtle]

i run that hat with the Death korp cloak

coat*

[west smelt]

Hoping for the felinid DLC so I can actually be Puss in Boots

[thin finch]

if I run smite, I rock the Sith lord style

[strong gulch]

Thanks y'all. am happy

[left turtle]

https://i.imgflip.com/43pv4i.jpg?a471552

BALD

[thin finch]

it's to show my third eyes

[west smelt]

*tattoed

[normal radish]

It helps that 90% of all Psyker headgear makes you bald or balding

[lyric atlas]

So am I supposed to be aiming Assail or just spaming it without aiming?

[left turtle]

i play with the cloak sometimes too

[lyric atlas]

Asssailt seems like good on waves of enemies but bad single target?

[normal radish]

Spamming it will carry you but also build up bad habits that will come back to bite you once Patch 14 drops

[lyric atlas]

what is the proper way to uyse it? targeting elites?

[left turtle]

its good single target with RMB where its more targeted

but remember its very weak against armored enemies

[lyric atlas]

i just feel like BB and staves match better, long range + crwod control...meanwhile Assail is like... somewhere in the middle?

[analog agate]

Throw some and then wiggle your cursor around the area with guys

[lyric atlas]

but people say assail is OP af

[normal radish]

Moreso better against unarmored enemies in general, anything with Flak, Carapace, or is a monster will literally only be tickled by it

[analog agate]

Literally. Wiggle that shit

[lyric atlas]

wait, u direct that shit ?!?!!?

[left turtle]

assail is comically overpowerred lol

[analog agate]

Yes

[lyric atlas]

on auric? or on lower dififculies?

[analog agate]

And the wiggle enables them to keep hitting that area

[lyric atlas]

is that as intended, lol, i dont want carpal tunnel

[spice veldt]

75% armour mod against flak

why do people keep saying it's bad against flak

[left turtle]

yeah its not bad against flak

[analog agate]

I mean, you either move your mouse around or stick. You aren’t clicking

[normal radish]

I'm on my Psyker right now let me see

[left turtle]

its bad against carapace

i think it should be bad against flak but, i seem to be in the wrong opinion to not want a swiss army knife that beats out every other psyker possibility

[normal radish]

You were right, however I think people say it's bad against because on Psyker you'll most likely have significantly better options against Flak

[west smelt]

Keep swinging and FullAuto are mods that act as autoclickers

[spice veldt]

I simply disagree with the direction you're taking it in

I don't get why you're implying that others haven't been suggesting nerfs

I would rather have ammo economy nerfs than damage nerfs

[left turtle]

Literally never said that

[spice veldt]

"I seem to be in the wrong opinion to not want a swiss army knife..."

[left turtle]

Yeah In what universe does that mean "no one else has had ideas"

Is English your first language?

[spice veldt]

nope

[lyric atlas]

didnt mean to start a fightr, literally just trying to learn how to use assail =/

[spice veldt]

but given the context of our prior conversations, it's a fair thing to glance from what you've said

[lyric atlas]

playing psyker without venting shriek feels like riding a bike without training wheels lol

[left turtle]

Because I disagreed with your idea?

[spice veldt]

but I have suggested opinions that would make assail not a "swiss army knife"

yes because it is a terrible direction to take assail into

[left turtle]

Your idea will still make it murder anything not carapace

That's not healthy for every other ability for Psyker

[spice veldt]

yeah but you'll be limited by ammo

[torpid girder]

What are the best weapons to use as a smite psyker? Voidstrike and then deimos sword?

[spice veldt]

like I've said prior, you are underestimating how much it's ammo economy is propping it up as a weapon you can spam

assail has nice quick swap properties, and it's on the gunker side of things

[eternal junco]

pretty decent sword yes?

[spice veldt]

shoot gun, throw what are essentially psychic knives, and go back to gun

[eternal junco]

damage is mid ik but blessings are solid right

[lyric atlas]

i dunno what im doping wrong, i went form 0 to 100% peril trying ot kill 1 dog with assail

[torpid girder]

Sooo, what are good weapons to use as a smite psyker?

[left turtle]

More kill worthy weapons since smite is aoe cx

Cc

[spice veldt]

if you're holding a force sword while shards are in the air, it's targeting breaks

[torpid girder]

So deimos sword + voidstrike and things?

[left turtle]

I use void strike on my smite build yeah, feels gross tho cause I hate using op things

[ripe yacht]

Patch 14 is fixing this.

[torpid girder]

Wut would good stats/dump stats be for those weapons?

Well in general I'm just trying to figure out what I should make my build

[left turtle]

I mean it's really up to you to figure out what you want from psyker

[torpid girder]

i want to mostly do CC while saving things like voidstrike and sword for killing singular specials/elites, just wondering if it's good to play smite psyker with like a high peril build or?

[left turtle]

The way I do it is I run BB with purgatus staff and dueling sword

BB eliminates elites and specials
Purgatus saves me from horde

[lyric atlas]

ya i dunno what im doing wrong but on auric difficulty assail does not feel "ungodly overpowered"

[left turtle]

Sword gives me mobility

[lyric atlas]

this feels like the most fun psyker tbh, im not loving assail

do you run shrike or shield tho

[left turtle]

Shield

Double wall

[lyric atlas]

i hate not being able to dump peril but, i should jsut git gud caus eshield is so good

[torpid girder]

I did this but I just feel like brain burst is really weak for some reason

[west smelt]

I do almost the same but replace purg with revolver, not used to staves yet

[west smelt]

You're in luck, BB is being buffed next update

[lyric atlas]

im still waiting for someone to explain what makes assail stupidly OP best thing in game by a mile... maybe they meant on like easy difficulty

[torpid girder]

Well I also did want to try smite out Lol

[unique mist]

instant horde clear

[torpid girder]

From what I've heard it's just a jack of all trades that also ends up being better than what other things are supposed to specialize in I think

but that's just wut i've heard

[unique mist]

synergises with toughness on warp kills for an instant full toughness regen basically

[torpid girder]

"Jack of all trades master of all"

[lyric atlas]

it is good at ripping up hoards...but so is like... purg staff and void stirke

[unique mist]

and it is far and away a better choice than smite and brain burst

brain burst is incredibly weak and outclassed by voidstrike, and smite is unfun, kills too slow and locks you in place

[torpid girder]

something something "it invalidates every other part of their kit because they can just use assail"

[unique mist]

yeah

[lyric atlas]

brain burst lets me clear elites from miles away and do big dmg to monstrocities , which my purg staff does not
so i can clear hoards with staff and kioll problem elits like snipers with BB

meanwhile assail is like doing chip damage

[torpid girder]

Couldn't u use something like voidstrike instead of brain burst?

[unique mist]

exactly

[lyric atlas]

could ya

[unique mist]

voidstrike + assail is full on meta

[lyric atlas]

tho not from around corners

[unique mist]

and much better than bb+purgatus

[left turtle]

I like bb cause it easily tags whatever you need dead and you can maneuver or hide while channeling

[lyric atlas]

better maybe, much better? i dunno, i dont see it

[unique mist]

bb takes 3 shots to kill a crusher

[spare light]

I run void + BB lately

[unique mist]

voidstrike can oneshot a crusher

[left turtle]

2 with EP

[lyric atlas]

i like how you think, now the qeustion is, are we just bad? lol

[torpid girder]

I feel like this doesn't make too much of a difference right? Because instead of peeking --> going back into cover while it channels with voidstrike you could channel while in cover --> peek to fire

[unique mist]

i tried it with EP and it didn't 2 shot unless i was high peril with soulblaze stacks

[olive ember]

Purge + BB is strong

[left turtle]

I run aurics just fine so, no

[spare light]

Yeah but sometimes those snipers are behind cover and 1 void ball can't finish them off, BB does however

[torpid girder]

i always thought brain burst was designed to be used like that

[unique mist]

i like the bb buff and i think that wil push it into a niche of its own, but bb has no collat capabilities so it is purely single target

[torpid girder]

Ohhh, wtf did not know that

I don't have alot of experience with the voidstrike I just assumed it 1shot everything

[unique mist]

voidstrike has collat, explosion, and massive single target damage

[olive ember]

Void is overtuned but that’s getting addressed so you will most likely be using either trauma or purge for meta slave next patch

[unique mist]

and assail is just better than purgatus at trash mob horde clear

[olive ember]

Or void

Depends on how bad the nerf is

[spare light]

I don't think the void nerf is going to be that bad

[lyric atlas]

trauma staff? meta? wut lol

[olive ember]

It’s been meta lmao

For the past half year

[torpid girder]

How will the voidstrike be getting nerfed next patch?

[spare light]

Trauma is

[spice veldt]

aside from the current patch, it was meta before the skill-tree update

[lyric atlas]

the garbage staff that you gotta charge up? lol

[spare light]

100 base damage from secondary

[olive ember]

100 less damage, carapace modified from 100% to 75%

[lyric atlas]

and do a little AOE

[unique mist]

voidstrike is getting a slight nerf next patch

[torpid girder]

How badly will that affect damage threshholds?

[lyric atlas]

like the flame wreath thing from vermintide?

[left turtle]

You gotta charge all staffs.

[lyric atlas]

isnt that thing a joke/garbage?

[spice veldt]

it's garbage at lower levels, but you have to realize that it's the widest stat-scaling weapon in the game

[lyric atlas]

ah

[spice veldt]

i dont know why they made it the first staff that psykers get

[lyric atlas]

Im so lost on how to gear up int his game, i cant even find upgrades on the store guy anymore

[spice veldt]

but that's the way it is

[olive ember]

Trauma has been meta since atleast march (Arco argues even further but he’s coping)

[left turtle]

Purgatus has been my favorite personally, but I use BB so it's a nice compliment

[olive ember]

But yea

[spare light]

They are changing elites to make them tankier anyways, combined with void nerf, but still, 1 shot on a half HP crusher will still kill it

[spice veldt]

no surge defense from me now

[lyric atlas]

The chanrge a little circle on the ground does like 3 damage staff? That thing became meta?!?

lol =0

[olive ember]

I lord trauma has always been the best staff

[spare light]

I'm curious to the smite buff ngl

[olive ember]

Forever and ever

[lyric atlas]

that staff used to be a joke

[unique mist]

its only meta with Rending Shockwave

[olive ember]

What?

[urban echo]

Trauma will be the meta staff next patch imo

[spice veldt]

it hasn't been a joke since January until the skill tree update

[torpid girder]

That actually doesn't sound too bad then tbh, it sounds like even with the damage nerfs it would still take 2 shots from a voidstrike to kill an elite after the hp buff right? So effectively it doesn't really matter

[olive ember]

Rending shockwave isn’t even that good

[spare light]

Mine 3 shots crushers, CC's them, but also debuffs them for team mates

[unique mist]

+40% damage from all sources in an aoe or something like that

[olive ember]

It’s armor strip

[spice veldt]

+rending%

[spare light]

Good vs bosses too

[olive ember]

You literally don’t do extra damage since trauma does full damage to carapace n shit

[spice veldt]

trauma is peepee poopoo against bosses

[unique mist]

its for teammates

[torpid girder]

Would trauma be good to use with smite then?

[urban echo]

Trauma staff will be meta due to infinite cleave knocks down elites easily and very high damage

[olive ember]

It’s only good for teammates and the teammates you get are worse than bots half the time

[spice veldt]

they nerfed bonbon's explosion vulnerability from 2x to 1.5x

so it's not even good for that anymore

[spare light]

I meant the debuff

[rapid token]

which keystone should i go for if im looking for higher dps with the shards

[spice veldt]

basically all weapons in this game have >100% unyielding ADM unless the weapon name begins with recon and ends with lasgun

[olive ember]

Empowered psionics generally

[urban echo]

Trauma has infinite cleave makes no sense to use smite for horde clear with trauma smite is good for stun lock and damage buffing other teammates though

[spice veldt]

I am absolutely not using the trauma against bosses

[left turtle]

The buffs to BB Seem pretty marginal, so them buffing elites to be tougher feels like their just invalidating it's buffs

[urban echo]

Trauma and BB build

[spice veldt]

except against the bonbon for how annoying it is to fight it

[urban echo]

It more keeps it in line with the buff to enemies so might be more valuable

[lyric atlas]

i honestly dont love the gearing system in this game, i wish it was just skill based, not diablo 4 level item hunt

[torpid girder]

Well i don't really want to use assail and brainburst just feels too weak to me rn so 💔

What do u recommend using with smite then?

I was thinking just going deimos + voidstrike

[olive ember]

Smite is bugged as shit and otherwise kinda meh

[torpid girder]

Also, anything in particular I should change about this build?

[orchid nest]

rending shockwave is alright, more just determined by your investment into soulfire. I would say the blazing trauma is a lot more popular currently though

[urban echo]

Voidstrike for single target damage and smite for CC let teammates finish hordes or hold horses and let teammates kill elites

[spice veldt]

you could go for blazing spirit + rending shockwave if you've smoked enough crack

[spare light]

I felt the same, but then I got bored of assail, and now I can'tstop running it

[lyric atlas]

whats the jab jab uysed for on the dueling sword?

[olive ember]

Why would you do that tho

[left turtle]

Dunno why people say that, even without the EP bug, a decent staff let's you quell quickly enough to start smiting again

[olive ember]

Even then wouldn’t flurry be better than shock

[spice veldt]

i don't use my trauma at all except once or twice amatch

[left turtle]

Like, .5 second downtime

[urban echo]

Smite is more team play based assail is selfish and stupid and BB is just kill elites before they get annoying like BB a sniper all across the map cos all karking snipers should die

[spare light]

EP will give 125% extra damage to smite if the buffs come through as they are right?

[orchid nest]

I think blazing and rending is fine is you're meleeing a lot and have true aim like arco is probably doing

just alternate in auto crit ones

[urban echo]

I’m surprised really helps take on enemies like bulwarks and stuff

[left turtle]

Assail is so overpowered it absorbs the fun from everyone else on your team

[spice veldt]

yeah it's nice but also voidstrike

[torpid girder]

Also is this build okay? I always ran a high peril surge staff build but i haven't really played psyker since before the talent tree came out so i'm not really sure how to build it

[steady lion]

best dueling sword iyo?

[spice veldt]

why stun enemies when you could just kill them

[olive ember]

Eh true you do do that

[left turtle]

Friend of mine hasn't wanted to play after picking the game up cause we had an assail Psyker for like 6 games in a row, we just did nothing but play walking simulator

[urban echo]

Exactly I wanna switch to BB for this reason it’s not a team based co-op match it’s an assail shitter show

[spare light]

I don't think assail is THAT broken, sure it makes everything dead on malice and lower, and it clears hordes well, but other shit does the same

[spice veldt]

assail has a lot of strengths besides straight DPS

[urban echo]

It’s how efficiently it does it with so little downtime

[spice veldt]

it is absolutely overtuned

and is in the territory of "my team doesn't get to play"

[spare light]

Oh it's overtuned for sure

[urban echo]

The amount of times I have killed a mutie rush before even I realised it was happening is unfair for everyone else

[olive ember]

SMH the sienna necromancer staff is just assail on lmb and BB on rmb

[spice veldt]

and it's just not a mechanically fun weapon to use either

[torpid girder]

Wellll... can someone post a screenshot of what like, a perfect voidstrike staff looks like?

[left turtle]

If you have an assail Psyker on t4 or below, you're doing very little than killing the occasional crusher or monster

[olive ember]

And all the VT pro play tester says that the staff sucks

Therefore assail needs to be buffed

I rest my case

[urban echo]

Buff assail too weak 1k base damage 100k secondary attack simple also why is there a recharge timer? And why 10 peril per shard? This is way too weak

[spare light]

I don't mind assail psykers, makes my job easier, it's a co-op after all, some games you carry, some games you get carried. Why be annoyed an assail psyker is taking all the kills while you can just chill and find plasteel?

[left turtle]

Because I bought a game to play it

[spice veldt]

i'm sure teammates would like to play

[left turtle]

Not play walking simulator

I'd go install death stranding if I wanted that

[urban echo]

That gets boring and repetitive imagine doom but all you do is just walk forward and MAYBE kill a single demon

[spice veldt]

and assail has way too much output for the skill and time you invest into it

[spare light]

Guess I just don't mind it as much lol

[urban echo]

Even without a proper build it just does everything

[spice veldt]

the shard comes out 0.19s after pressing LMB, and the second shard comes out after 0.33s

there is a very minimal time penalty for using it

and it recharges while you are using your other weapons

compare this to Smite/BB, where the time cost is active

[olive ember]

THINK OF THE OPPORTUNITY COST

[spice veldt]

e.g., BB takes ~2 seconds to charge and has 1 second of downtime

[urban echo]

There isn’t a downside to it no recharge time no hinderance to the user like oh you used all your shards? 30 second CD to get 5 back so you think ok there’s a huge horde use assail now

[sinful olive]

Imo they don't need to touch assail's damage much, it just needs to have a steep recharge.

[spice veldt]

I really want it to be a quickswap weapon

psyker is such a mechanically dead class already

[left turtle]

I think it just needs to not be effective against everything in the game besides like, 2 enemies.

[urban echo]

Assail should be similar to the abilities like you use it situationally and you need to think more

[olive ember]

bro wdym by that lmao

[near gale]

So, uh, how good are the heavies on the mk 4 dueling sword?

[spice veldt]

it's on the gunker's side of the tree, so the ideal rotation would be [shoot gun -> throw a shard -> shoot gun -> blah blah]

[olive ember]

One shot mutants to head

[sinful olive]

Very

[olive ember]

Two shit to body

3 shot crushers

Invalidates surge staff

[sinful olive]

All I use now basically for melee

[urban echo]

Ye that keeps confusing me it’s on the gunner side of the skill tree but you never HAVE to use a gun?

[spare light]

I wish Surge was better

[near gale]

Kind of ironic because the mk 4 dueling sword was my favorite of the 3 mks

[torpid girder]

Okay so can someone post a screenshot of wut a perfect deimos/voidstrike looks like? I wanna know wut blessings and stats I should look out for

[spice veldt]

yeah, i want to be a fuckin psychic cowboy

[olive ember]

I do too but lots of people think it’s great

[spice veldt]

not a psychic magic knife thrower

[olive ember]

So wait atleast a year like the eviscerator

Have fun

[near gale]

and that's coming from me having trouble aiming saltpyres rapier's heavies in vt2...

[spare light]

Why would I pick Surge over Void when it does more damage than Surge AND has punch through AND clears hordes

[left turtle]

Same reason I pick BB over assail

More fun, feels better. Even it's less optimal

[near gale]

I haven't tried the new voidstrike staff, but, it just didn't vibe with me before. I hated the voidstrike, even

[urban echo]

Fun is the main reason

Tbh couldn’t you go empowered psionics charge on elite kill with BB and just always have empowered BB

[spare light]

Same, till I got an amazing one, took it into a mission and shot a ball into a horde, that 'crunch' you hear is

[left turtle]

I also don't drain my entire teams fun using bb

[torpid girder]

Anyone? :(

[sinful olive]

Dump stat imo is quell speed or blast radius. Everything else topped off. Quel peril on Weak spot hit and reduced charge time on consecutive charges for blessings. Flak/carapace perks. Iirc that's the good shit for void.

[spare light]

it's what I do

[urban echo]

While being very useful sniper at the other side of the map? bb.

[olive ember]

Does void still need flak

Psure it one shots like everything flak now

Thought you would go maniac unyielding or carapace or something

[torpid girder]

I'm assuming for deimos then the dump stat would be warp resistant or mobility?

[sinful olive]

Perks may be different for breakpoints depending on your build, so grain of salt etc.

[near gale]

My guess would be maniac and unyielding, yeah, if flak was unneeded

[sinful olive]

I always ran deflector and slaughter.

[left turtle]

My guess would be warp flurry/warp nexus as well for the blessings

[torpid girder]

TYSM. I thought i'd never get help Lol

[left turtle]

As it seems the go to for all staves

[torpid girder]

I'll gamble some voidstrikes and swords and hope I get good stats

Okay so I ended up with this

I assume I change run n gun and one of the perks?

[left turtle]

Run n gun to warp nexus and..personally I'd do carapace in place of ranged damage vs specialists

[torpid girder]

Got it! Tysm

[left turtle]

Ask the others, I'm not a void strike enthusiast

[torpid girder]

I can't learn warp nexus from another type of staff and put it on the voidstrike one right? I have to get it from another voidstrike

[left turtle]

No warp nexus is on all staves

[torpid girder]

ooh okay

[spice veldt]

has to be earned from a voidstrike to be put onto a voidstrike

[sinful olive]

Correct. Personally I like quell on weakspot hit because it makes quell speed a non factor for the most part and allows you to basically spam endlessly.

[left turtle]

I don't..feel like that's true

[whole oxide]

well, what you feel is what matters

[spice veldt]

all staffs belong to different weapon families

[left turtle]

That seems really weird

[spice veldt]

yeah it is

insanely whack

[left turtle]

Fair enough

[spice veldt]

it's just wildly unintuitive because each staff family only has one weapon variant currently

[torpid girder]

Well I just got a lvl 4 transfer peril on another staff, so I'll change it to that and test it out

[spice veldt]

compared to other weapons which mostly have 3 variants by now

[torpid girder]

I can always swap the blessing back out again later anyways

[left turtle]

You can only modify twice

[spice veldt]

i'm still sad that there hasn't been any new staffs

you can only modify two slots

but you can swap out the modified slots infinitely

[torpid girder]

It's not that u can only modify twice it's that you can only modify 2 things on a weapon iirc right?

[left turtle]

Oh didn't know that honestly

[spice veldt]

yeah it's lenient in that regard, at least

[whole oxide]

this is very amusing

[torpid girder]

Lol it's not even 500 rating but i'll test it out

[left turtle]

I wonder if flurry is even necessary with 80% charge rate

Probably help with monsters at least

[wary sleet]

what should i be looking for on my curios?

[torpid girder]

wait WHAT. the voidstrike ball goes through bullwark shields??

[wary sleet]

nani

theres no way

[spice veldt]

don't worry about it

[wary sleet]

maybe just the aoe clips through?

[torpid girder]

My staff has 27% blast radius so i doubt it

[left turtle]

Oh you know, just overtuned Psyker stuff

[spice veldt]

don't worry, it does go through bulwark shields for some reason

even though it doesn't really need to do that because it can already guardbreak bulwarks

i guess they decided that voidstrike really needed to be the plasmagun for psyker

(except without the downsides of the plasmagun)

[torpid girder]

Btw I notice my peril goes back down after I use a charged smite, is it meant to do that? Is it auto quelling?

If so that is REALLY cool

[left turtle]

Do you have Empowered psionics

[wary sleet]

i noticed that too actually. do you mean when you hit 100% you quell about maybe 20% ?

[left turtle]

Oh that? Yeah

[torpid girder]

ohhh I get it yea. It auto quells that's really cool

if ur at 0% peril it just keeps getting channeled until u reach 100

does that mean it's better to quell to 0 or to stay at high peril at all times?

[left turtle]

With smite? Stay quelled

Playing at high peril is for damage output.

Smite is the opposite of damage output

[torpid girder]

hmm okay

[left turtle]

I've also never bothered staying at high peril and I perform just fine.

[torpid girder]

It looks like I'll change my talents to prioritize peril generation and quelling then

[wary sleet]

I only manually quell to about 50

[torpid girder]

Also, for in fire reborn, does "Killing an enemy with soulblaze" mean killing an enemy that has soulblaze on it, or killing with soulblaze damage?

[wary sleet]

Then either it naturally falls cause I'm not using it or just grows so I can use the benefits of high peril.

[left turtle]

My staff has max quell speed so I can hit 0 very fast

[spice veldt]

BUUUUUUUUUUUUUST

[lyric atlas]

how do you do trhat thing where you tyell the game what emperors gifts you want

[spice veldt]

the emperor's lap is too tall for us to reach

[wary sleet]

Trick the game by not caring about it

[lyric atlas]

how exactly do you ghet upgrades all this vendor sell is freaking blues

[left turtle]

You have to trick the warlock who's cursing your luck that you don't care about the emperor's gift

[wary sleet]

Well. The idea is you loot at the good base stats then upgrade it yourself

[orchid nest]

Well good news I guess on this, for the patch notes about the navigational talent pathing or whatever

[gray coral]

anyone got any tips for a good brain rupture build for damnation? I am struggling to make a viable build for higher level content

[zinc phoenix]

The old way looks prettier but really confused me the first time I saw it

[spice veldt]

hmm so just changing ti to make it clearer that you can go sideways

very neat

[orchid nest]

yeah

[zinc phoenix]

Cuz the intuitive thing that tells you is you can go back up

But actually you can’t

Losing infinity dodge on the force sword hurts 😂

[left turtle]

I use empowered psionics, guaranteed charge on elite kill

With double telekine shield.
Purgatus staff/Mk4 dueling sword

[torpid girder]

Went into a damnation with my new build and died in like 2 minutes oops.. Lol

[misty plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/noway-gif-254273188714127328

[gray coral]

thanks for the suggestion I will try that out

[left turtle]

Make sure you get warp flurry on your purgatus, makes it feel a lot better when scorching the hordes down

[urban echo]

I have psyker max level who should I level next?

[left turtle]

Ogryn always feel fun to play

And everyone loves having an Ogryn

[urban echo]

I’m thinking ogryn or zealot

[ornate hamlet]

Are they going to nerf our staff lmb attacks as well? There was something and I have no idea if it is a buff or nerf.

[left turtle]

Zealot will be a significant different Playstyle so be prepared for that

[urban echo]

Ye but melee is the funnest gameplay

[left turtle]

Instead of proper targeting and playing safe, you just turn your brain off and go feral

[urban echo]

That’s my way to play honestly

I just want a bum rusher tbh

[left turtle]

Then charge 3 miles ahead of everyone else, Die, call your team a slur, and rage quit

[copper torrent]

This literally just happened to me just now.

[left turtle]

Play Bullcharge ogryn for an actual fun, useful bum rusher

[spice veldt]

i can't believe the zealots would do this

zealot is also a fun bum rusher

[mossy dust]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[spice veldt]

in part because they get TWBS

[strong gulch]

IDK if anyone answered you, but blessings are fine. Uncanny Stike is the main one. Rampage you'll have to weave in some push attacks to maintain uptime.

The perks should be changed. Mutant for sure. After that, Unyielding/ Crit Chnace/ Flak. Even carapace (idk abou the break points).

[left turtle]

I'm sure they can be, just 95% of the ones I play with are braindead feral creatures that run off alone and die then quit

[spice veldt]

the same could be said for pub teammates in general

[left turtle]

I legit had a match be salvaged cause the zealot who was downed, rage quit and the BOT saved us

A bot was more useful than a level 30 zealot

[zinc phoenix]

When we get Necropsyker

🤔

Or better yet, give vet the ability to summon planetary defense troopers 😂

[left turtle]

Give him the ability to just exterminatus the planet. Fuck it

I like that their idea of making their smoke grenade better was adding slight stagger when it pops

Fat shark pls

[spice veldt]

at the very least, it gives it a "oh shit i need space time to drop a nade" utility to the smoke nade

[teal needle]

"Do you really thsink zey vould bozzer to evacuate us first?"

[spice veldt]

better than nothing since the other two nades have that

[left turtle]

I mean sure it's better than nothing but the bar is all the way down in hell

Even in the very few niche situations where the smoke grenade is useful, it hardly even works as intended

The idea is there they just need to pick it up

[strong gulch]

I had a strange teammate who kept dropping. The weird thing is they kept running back in the wrong direction. IDK if they were looking for health (even though a full health station was right behind the door we were next to).

[left turtle]

Was there scripts/grims?

[teal needle]

Yeah the one time i tried to run smoke grenade halfway through the duration a bombardier threw a grenade at me right in the center of it

[strong gulch]

No.

That's part of why it was extra confusing.

[left turtle]

One idea I liked to make smoke grenade at least kind of useful was to allow it to put out fire

[wary sleet]

Real question. Were they console?

[thorn cedar]

Bombers aren't affected by smoke grenades. Same with Snipers.

[left turtle]

Exactly why it's stupid

[strong gulch]

No clue.

[teal needle]

Infiltrate rules though. When i first played it i thought it needed a shorter cd but after playing more of it it's honestly so good it doesn't need it. Glad it's getting one anyway though

[left turtle]

Bombers you can make an argument for, snipers? That's dumb

[wary sleet]

Hmm. My only thought would have been they were console cause they do some wacky shit sometimes.

[strong gulch]

😂

[teal needle]

anyhow now that vet is anti meta i've been playing it more because I'm a contrarian hipster i guess

[wary sleet]

Bomber ai must actually be sentient. I still have a clip where one bounced it off a wall through a gap to cut off an area.

[left turtle]

I run voice of command on my vet, instant revive+tons of toughness replenishment buffs that go to allies. Commissar build let's goooo

[teal needle]

Yeah its great too

[strong gulch]

Now that I have the pirate hat, I think VT2 has superior feather physics.

[teal needle]

Why can't i staple a pig to my head in this game yet

[narrow crane]

Necromancer's cosmetics have more physics than that new krieg outfit 💀

[strong gulch]

good question

[torpid girder]

For empowering psionics, is bio lodestone or overpowering osuls better?

[strong gulch]

Also, using my brain powers to not get stuck in the grate.

[narrow crane]

elite kills

[torpid girder]

Also how does the empowering psionics smite bug work? I don't really want to abuse it

[narrow crane]

youre killing elites every 15-30s on damnation+

[frank moat]

There’s no way these catwalks are up to code 💀

[torpid girder]

and what's a good melee weapon too with a smite build?

[strong gulch]

Bio might be better for lower tiers tho. Def elites for T5+.

[narrow crane]

if you use smite when EP is active, it won't increase peril

[torpid girder]

Well shoot, i'll just try and make sure not to get used to being able to infinitely spam it

[strong gulch]

Not even close, but emp will and what not I guess. 🙃

[main tulip]

Is this good?

[torpid girder]

Unless warp charges is better to use than empowered

[narrow crane]

it's broken but smite does such little damage that all you do is just freeze enemies forever lol

[narrow crane]

no

[primal plume]

Surge staff needs something similar to Smites Purple Aura. The little lightning effect can become harder to see at longer ranges

[torpid girder]

I really need to figure out what a good smite buildi s

[strong gulch]

Plus if you aim at something else, surge sparkles stay on previously aimed at tagets.

[grand arrow]

i dont really think its a good idea to build solely around smite. its a situational tool for letting you and your team reposition

[main tulip]

smite can be either very useful, or absolutely useless.

[ornate hamlet]

I built around the ghostfire myself. Setting it off with skills and keeping it burning with purgatus, and then leaned hard into elite/specialist damage bonuses and buffs

[narrow crane]

"good" weapons are usually base stats of 360+, yours could work with a 327 rating but it's got awful dump stats.

rampage doesn't really work well with the dueling sword, you're mostly stabbing single targets.

unyielding is fine, but you really want damage vs maniac

[main tulip]

depends on situation.

[spice veldt]

rampage currently gives ~2x damage so abuse that shit while it lasts

[torpid girder]

I was planning on spamming smite for hordes and for when I needed specials killed I would use a voidstrike staff, I was thinking of getting a melee weapon good for hordes if I really needed to kill them myself

[spice veldt]

this is what god intended for rampage https://streamable.com/0xpve1

[torpid girder]

would that work or should I just change it entirely?

[lament ice]

smite is only good if your team can capitalize on the enemies being stunlocked

[narrow crane]

spamming smite for horde isn't all that useful

[lament ice]

too many times ive tried to stun one horde for so long just to have enemies sneak up behind me anyways and kick me out of it

[main tulip]

Twas an emperor's gift, so only resources spent on it was like 3-4k gold, 400ish plasteel and like 200-250 diamantine

[dense bramble]

Void headshots are better for hordes than smite

[torpid girder]

I had this happen twice on the mission I just tested it out on Lol

Should I just go back to a brainburst purgatus build?...

[strong gulch]

For now, dump stats are mobility and cleave ( at least 50%). The rest you want high as possible.

The blessings are fine. Uncanny is the important one, Weave in push attacks to keep rampage up.

Perks you want maniac first, then you can do unyielding / crit chance / flak / carapace. Play around in the psykhanium to see what benefits you most.

[torpid girder]

or brainburst/surge wutever

[dense bramble]

Half or 1/3 charge it and let it rip.

[lament ice]

yeah its infuriating, i literally keep hordes stunned for a while and my teammates do nothing about it and go off somewhere else because they think its handled

[dense bramble]

smite was best for like crushers or whatever

[narrow crane]

yeah Arcto mentioned the rampage bug, up to you if you wanna abuse that. i would just cash in a blessing or sell it

[main tulip]

works for now, and is far better than the chainsword i was was running before

[torpid girder]

I wanted to use smite cuz I feel like brainburst is really weak and I don't really want to use assail

[narrow crane]

brain burst isn't weak, and it's gonna get way better

[lethal folio]

Even without the bug, rampage is one of the better blessings on duel swords.

[ornate hamlet]

I like purgatus with the flying thorns, imo your job as pysker is to damage as many as possible. These two are the best for crowd control/dps, imo

[lament ice]

brainburst just feels so boring for me, how are they buffing it?

[narrow crane]

they're making some animation delays quicker, and it's getting stronger

[main tulip]

Ill prolly hold off until i get something that i can work on, for now ill keep this thing and use it

[lethal folio]

Just more damage and less peril

[narrow crane]

yeah dueling mk4 is good enough