psyker-class

[spice veldt]

as a nice supplement to whatever you're doing

[carmine agate]

Depends on staff

[clear heath]

My guess at what could be reasonable numbers would be like 6-8 charges cap and 4 second charge speed

[spice veldt]

I'd personally do like 3-5 ammo max

since I really do not like being able to just spam it

being able to throw more than 3 at a time is very eh

[naive imp]

Kekw

[spice veldt]

especially when assail can already hit 3 targets

and has no damage falloff

[carmine agate]

And u gotta whistle in the mic to let it home to targets

[urban echo]

Maybe a penetration nerf?

[olive ember]

Assail isn’t as strong on auric Damnation or hi shocks but

[urban echo]

Like can hit less targets at once

[olive ember]

Still plenty overtuned

[spice veldt]

maybe a target limit nerf

[normal radish]

wtf

[spice veldt]

but my main change would just be an ammo economy nerf

[naive imp]

Bro. It needs 5 charges max, with a regen and damage nerf.

[olive ember]

Just make it 3 with the upgrade

[spice veldt]

like, I think an ammo economy nerf is a fairly simple but also effective nerf

[clear heath]

maybe 6 with even slower charging then
I'd prefer if there was room to use it for multiple groups, but then have the downside of having to wait even longer if you resort to that. Adds some interest choice there imo

[olive ember]

Tho that’s what it’s supposed to do

[spice veldt]

and it eliminates the spamming of the assail

so you get to both balance it and fix a problematic element of its design in one swing

[urban echo]

Maybe make it more of a big hitter like 2-3 mind knives but more damage?

[olive ember]

According to pygex the problem is that fatshark wants assail to be spammable horde clear or something

Idek

[carmine agate]

Yeh if not

Its just a brain burst v2

[olive ember]

#psyker-class message

[naive imp]

Assail should just have zero damage against bigger targets. Like negative modifiers.

[urban echo]

True

[spice veldt]

technically it does but it also benefits from blessings on your equipped weapon (except for Handcannon which applies all the time)

[cosmic nova]

i know nothing about the dueling swords but this looks pretty good right?

[clear heath]

wait it applies all the time?

[spice veldt]

so if you're running an uncanny strike melee (cough cough mk4 duelling sword), you can just swap to it and dink them

[clear heath]

i thought the trick was to hold it out

[naive imp]

Clearly intended…

[spice veldt]

handcannon is a weird exception for some reason

but yeah, even if it couldn't dink crushers...

[olive ember]

Not mk IV I can’t believe it

[clear heath]

that is pretty weird

[urban echo]

That’s not a horrible idea only issue is that you might not see some elites in a horde and wreck you

[spice veldt]

you can just make a build and have anti-armour options in your ranged/melee slots

[cosmic nova]

?
as i said i know nothing about the dueling swords

[frank moat]

Hand-Cannon applies to melee weapons too so yea, not an isolated incident

[olive ember]

Replace one of the blessings with uncanny strike and the sprint eff for like maniac or unyielding or something

[naive imp]

Against small hordes, assail cleaves it so fast that the only thing left are the things it has no business doing damage too

[olive ember]

Mk 4 is the best of the three duelling sword marks (mk 2 mk 4 mk 5)

[cosmic nova]

aha, will keep an eye out for that

this is melk's

[naive imp]

Like legitimately, something that hits 3-6 targets should not be infinitely spammable.

[spice veldt]

though the other two duelling swords are finally getting their proper buffs in the next patch

[cosmic nova]

so i wont buy it

[urban echo]

True it’s just so hard to change assail you make it too weak it can’t even kill hordes which is it’s main goal but is also killing elites

[naive imp]

You don’t even need to aim assail…nothing else in the game works like that, does that much damage, has no resource to manage.

[frank moat]

Are there any headgears that look particularly Mechanicussy? I need it for reasons

[naive imp]

100%. I think the negative modifier thing may be the way to go as well

[vagrant monolith]

Best blitz besides assail? Made a psyker to try assail before its nerfed but it’s too good and I feel like I’m taking fun from my team

[naive imp]

It’s currently cleaving through the elites just because so spammable.

[spice veldt]

assail as something that you use every-so-often would just be the best design for it

it has really good properties for a quick-swap weapon

[pale pilot]

wait is it just assail that gets ranged weapon blessings or is that something all psyker blitzes get?

[naive imp]

Atm it’s the best main weapon in the game.

[frank moat]

Smite is good and BB is getting buffs next patch

[vagrant monolith]

If you had to pick one to run which would it be

[spice veldt]

yeah, but even if you intentionally limit yourself and only throw shards every-so-often, it has a use-case

[frank moat]

Right now, Smite

[vagrant monolith]

Alright Thanks bro

[spice veldt]

as something you throw out to proc Soulstealer, to stagger ragers because its stagger is rather quite good and it can hit up to 3 of them should they be in a group, etc.

[urban echo]

Smite is really good if you have good teammates

[olive ember]

Depends on build

I don’t need smite at all with a purge staff build I’d rather take BB

I’d take smite with surge staff tho

I guess

[urban echo]

Just stunlocking a horde while an ogryn and zealot are destroying everything inside it is amazing

[stable silo]

Noooooo my unlimited dodging i enjoyed being a caveman and unable to count

[naive imp]

When I play my psyker I use it like 90% of the mission and swap to void for beefy targets.

My psyker is just now 26 and I feel like I don’t have to do much to clear damnation.

The other classes can’t get away with that. Legit if you had access to damnation at 11, you could do it.

[spice veldt]

like assail can be a very good supplement to your other weapons because it can be used while your other weapons are equipped, because the shards will float in the air and you can aim it while you're meleeing and whatnot

that's the main reason why I want to keep the aim-assist, even if it's not mechanically engaging to aim it because you get your mechanical engagement from weapon-swapping and whatnot

press button good and you'll get to make good use of it

[urban echo]

Could have simply reduced damage against elites+ like 50%

[runic hornet]

fixed an issue where assail projectiles would lose targeting when force swords are wielded

[spice veldt]

I wouldn't touch the damage

[naive imp]

Tbh it should be a buff or something. Activate it, spawn 5 shards, and as you fight they go off.

[runic hornet]

This explains why I couldn't kill targets at range

[spice veldt]

I really would just touch the ammo

assail's ammo economy really is just carrying it as a main weapon

[runic hornet]

Yeah the ammo/recharge rate is too high

[stable silo]

For assail? They are already reducing the dmg on the nom aimed version 250 to 200

[runic hornet]

Spending your assails should feel like a decision akin to throwing a vet grenade

not your primary weapon

[spice veldt]

yeah, not much punish for it

[runic hornet]

the damage going down is barely a nerf

[spice veldt]

and its design just encourages you to spam the ever-living crap out of it

[pale pilot]

i also should admit that i don't buy the ammo comes back faster node for assail because i wanted to actually use my ranged weapons

[runic hornet]

you'll still need 1 assail for trash and 2-3 for taggables

[stable silo]

50 dmg per shard is pretty hefty nerf

[spice veldt]

i don't mind damage tweaks, but the lack of any ammo changes is alarming

[urban echo]

Not really tbh

[runic hornet]

breakpoints.

In the psykanium with buffs rolling

[naive imp]

The tooltip says 100. And 150 during empowerment.

[runic hornet]

assails easily get to massive overkill on trash

[spice veldt]

the tooltip is straight up wrong

it currently has 250 base damage

[urban echo]

100 damage for assail seems fine tbh

[spice veldt]

and EP gives it +50 base damage

[urban echo]

Good trash clear while not being able to do much to elites

[naive imp]

Yea. I mean that explains a lot tbh. It just straight up does WAY too much damage and is too spammable.

tbh I like the idea of it being trash clear

[spice veldt]

I do not want assail to be a hordeclear weapon or something that you want to hold out for more than a second

[naive imp]

It just shouldn’t be doing 1500 damage to stuff…lol

[spice veldt]

I'd rather keep its damage around where it currently is and nerf its ammo

[runic hornet]

it doing burst damage is fine

[spice veldt]

because well, you have the other blitzes as something to hold out for a while

[runic hornet]

being able to use it as a primary weapon, is not fine

[spice veldt]

brainburst fits that role

but I really want fatshark to lean into its quickswap properties

as a very neat supplement to your other weapons

[naive imp]

assail doing 1500 damage means rupture is kinda….yea. Ha

[olive ember]

I kinda think that’s their vision ngl

Like think about the psyker part of the rework trailer

It’s just the Psyker yeeting shards at poxwalkers

[clear heath]

I haven't been taking recharge speed talent and have never really felt like i'm waiting for it to come back

[urban echo]

Brain burst just doesn’t do enough like if it did an explosion on elite kill?

[naive imp]

What difficulty? You’ll feel it the higher you go

[urban echo]

Would help targeting priority

[clear heath]

auric damnation

[olive ember]

Not auric maelstrom

Opinion DISREGARDED

[spice veldt]

by default, the regen time is 2s per shard

and ethereal shards bumps that down to 1.4s

it is quite silly fast

[naive imp]

It feels like .5 seconds

[urban echo]

Maybe 5 seconds per shard?

[clear heath]

Like if you're using your other weapons more than 0% of the time, the shards come up way more often than you need them

I'm not playing the game only using assail for the entire match

[naive imp]

My psyker is 26 now. I have used legit pure assail since lvl 4 or whatever it is.

[spice veldt]

yeah, the other advantage is that assail regens while you're doing something else

[naive imp]

Swap to void started at 11 but only during monstrosities.

And tbh, even when beefy targets are up if you can cleave with assail it’s better to do so because of empowerment.

[spice veldt]

it's not like BB where the cost of using it is time spent charging it

instead, you pay the cost by just... waiting, and you can use it 0.19s after swapping to it

so you have to balance around this passive regen as well

[urban echo]

Maybe make it cost more peril?

[spice veldt]

nah

I wouldn't mess with its peril stuff cuz I want to keep interplay with peril weapons as well

[urban echo]

Maybe like 20 peril per shard?

True ig

[spice veldt]

I think its peril cost is mostly fine

[clear heath]

If they want you to be able to hold 10, the recharge should be slow enough that it's not capped after a horde

[carmine agate]

I want strrrrong brain burst

[clear heath]

dumping all 10 should mean that your assails are fucked for a while

[carmine agate]

The sound is so satisfying

[spice veldt]

tweaks here and there mayhaps, but the peril aspect is unproblematic to me as far as I see

[clear heath]

should be emergency shit to dump that many

[spice veldt]

i'm gonna shard all over them

i'm gonna

[urban echo]

Brain burst is good but that damage is just outclassed by the other classes

Makes no sense

[clear heath]

brain burst feels like it's always just gonna be there to cover for weaknesses for certain builds

mainly purg

[urban echo]

I saw a vet melt a daemon host nigh instantly today on tier 5

Makes no sense if you want big damage the other classes just do it better

[naive imp]

Agree

[silent coral]

What is the implications of the patch 14 voidstrike nerfs?

[urban echo]

Slightly less damage

That’s about it

[pale pilot]

rather than a rocket launcher you have a grenade launcher

[blazing echo]

It a low risk attack, peek n hide and you still kill. It's excellent against bosses

[silent coral]

Any changes we need to make for perks? Is the cleave worse?

[urban echo]

True but if you have a vet on your team it makes no sense to take it over assail (in its current state) or smite

[carmine agate]

I was so excited using a brain burst build thinking i finally can do dmge to a boss

Then the zealot bonked it away

[urban echo]

I don’t remember anything about cleave nerf on it

[pale pilot]

i think BB needs to have a much lower charge time or be more responsive

[urban echo]

Yes or make it rewarding for targeting priority

[carmine agate]

Brain burst explosion

[blazing echo]

In all honesty I haven't used those abilities much because I love the BB. Didn't click w assail and as haven't used smite. Be a boring world if we all worked the same tho

[urban echo]

Killing an elite causes a soul fire explosion dealing like 300 damage

[silent coral]

BTW y'all fell psychic combustion is still a must have after the patch?

[carmine agate]

Still pretty good

[long wharf]

won't know for sure until patch day

[pale pilot]

nah, not just on kills, just doing BB damage should proc something

[urban echo]

Smite is fun just being palpatine and assail is boring but op

[long wharf]

nope, that behavior was reverted in the big talent tree update

you have to kill elites and specialists now

[silent coral]

We need cerebral laceration back

[carmine agate]

For starters that free brain burst shld not proc on normal mobs

[urban echo]

Applies a confusion type debuff?

[naive imp]

Brain burst should be…wait for it. Instant cast.

[olive ember]

They changed wrack and ruin so it procs on kill now instead of on BB and renamed it perilous combustion

[pale pilot]

yes, this

[carmine agate]

Brain burst

Brain rupture

[pale pilot]

people keep taking the brains right out of my mouth in the charge time

[naive imp]

rupture. Whatever

[carmine agate]

Brain fountain

[olive ember]

But then I can’t turn around and pretend I’m a cool guy not looking at the (brain) explosion

[carmine agate]

[pale pilot]

making me waste all the time charging that i could have done something else with

[naive imp]

Lol

[naive imp]

All that charge time and you could have thrown 4 assails.

[pale pilot]

like cleared chaff or did damage or helped objectives or enything

[carmine agate]

The sound is always satisfying

[naive imp]

Noob

[urban echo]

I just wish we didn’t get another horde clear blitz

[naive imp]

Brain rupture. Generates 100% peril. 1 shots. LET US see who the psyker mains are.

[urban echo]

We already had smite idk why we go assail

[naive imp]

Cause smite takes 40 seconds to do the damage of 1 assail

[urban echo]

True but it’s really good cc

[steel flame]

I'm sorry, but smite is not a horde clear blitz

[spice veldt]

smite's RMB does have a rather insane target limit

[carmine agate]

Its called rave party blitz

[spice veldt]

true

[carmine agate]

[spice veldt]

it deals significant damage to your frames

[narrow crane]

bro wait someone fill me in, the Assail nerf looks fine to me? am i missing something?

[spice veldt]

it's mostly the direction that they're going in that I have a problem with

[urban echo]

I’ve never had my frames dropped by smite even with a whole room filling horde

[spice veldt]

a damage tweak is fine probably, but they didn't touch the ammo economy at all

[urban echo]

Ye they want to reduce the spammyness so they reduce the damage???

[pale pilot]

it's fine but not addressing the main balance issue of assail

[olive ember]

Not everyone runs a 1060 like arcotash alright

[steel flame]

X to Doubt

[open crag]

Did I see they're buffing force swords?

[olive ember]

Give him some slack

[long wharf]

I'm still very annoyed that the different force staves aren't archtypes of a single base weapon

the assail changes are going to be... interesting

[olive ember]

@spice veldt you truly foretold it in your dreams

[narrow crane]

I agree tbh

[steel flame]

Guess we eating crab tonight

[urban echo]

We just need assail to be a backup like oh shit were fucked assail time

[steel flame]

Would rather just have the ammo set to 3

[olive ember]

Bro how the fuck did Dasani fail at bottled water

[pale pilot]

like make the magazine for it be like five or however many shards they modeled floating around your hand

[olive ember]

@viral solstice look at how quick they turn on you

SMH

Bought this shit from a vending machine

[pale pilot]

something to mean you actually run out of shards if you have the ammo node for it

[olive ember]

Holy fuck why is Dasani that bad

[narrow crane]

the brain burst buffs are kinda nuts

[viral solstice]

look at my vraks 7

its prefect

nothing is wrong with it

[urban echo]

What were the exact brain burst buffs?

[viral solstice]

perfectly Normal gun

[pale pilot]

as it currently is you just run out of perils way way faster than you ever run out of shards if you have the ammo node

[olive ember]

Did you abandon the vraks 3 already?

[narrow crane]

it's faster, less leril cost, more damage and multipliers

[viral solstice]

i bever used it voluntarily

[pale pilot]

how much faster we talkin'?

[viral solstice]

i only used the vraks 3 to get it nerfed

in preparation for the vraks 7 rework

ive been in the pay of big vraks the whole time

[long wharf]

the problem with spamming assail is that it's very inefficient usage

[urban echo]

Does anyone have a good brain burst build I wanna try learn to get good with it instead of being an assail shitter?

[spice veldt]

inefficient, but you also have 10 max shards to burst through and they come back every 1.4s (with Ethereal Shards)

[narrow crane]

they are reducing the animation delay when "firing" brainburst, and making it so you quelling peril isnt delayed by animation

[long wharf]

I dislike the lengthy throwing animation when aiming with assail

[olive ember]

I wouldn’t call it a BB build it’s more of a purge build with BB

[gloomy obsidian]

is between the eyes a good perk for the laspistol

[spice veldt]

laspistol basically doesn't care about suppression, so no

[gloomy obsidian]

ah I see now

[clear heath]

I wonder if we'll see more people running purg builds after the BB buff

[lyric burrow]

This with mk4 duelling and blazing trauma works well for me, warp charges can be swapped to EP both work

[urban echo]

I’ll give it a shot tomorrow

[woven crypt]

THIS CLASS IS FOR PSYCHOPATHS

[olive ember]

You don’t run warp res? I’m surprised

[pale pilot]

pretty easy tbh

[spice veldt]

i'd personally run Infernus + Dum Dum on laspistol, since you don't really need ghost if running Empathic Evasion

[lyric burrow]

Ran it a while ago id swap it next time i play it

[spice veldt]

there's +toughness on crit kill which is fine but I'm on that damage grindset and I run assail for when I need to regen my toughness anyways

[urban echo]

Any good trauma brain burst builds? @lyric burrow I’ll try yours tomorrow

[olive ember]

That one is a trauma BB build

[lyric burrow]

Might be some in #1158835513789272126

[urban echo]

You didn’t send anything

[olive ember]

Is the build thread actually good?

[lyric burrow]

Mine is a trauma build

[olive ember]

The one yoshi sent I mean

[urban echo]

It is?

Oh

[olive ember]

Yeah tho it also works with purge

[urban echo]

I love trauma staff 🙂

[lyric burrow]

Yeah it uses mk 4 duelling and blazing trauma

Purge works

[plush basalt]

what stats and blessings should I run for mk iv / void / surge on an assail build?

[lyric burrow]

Trauma just gives me a little more range

And versatility

[urban echo]

Assail that’s it

[olive ember]

Void/ surge?

[urban echo]

Trauma also has infinite range then BB for elites and chonkies

[plush basalt]

yeah not sure which one I like more yet so I have both

[urban echo]

Infinite cleave*

[plush basalt]

I find myself doing no damage on monstrosities with assail tho

[urban echo]

Your build is wrong then

[olive ember]

Nah assails boss damage is meh

[carmine agate]

Monstrosities?

[olive ember]

Psyker boss damage in general is kinda meh

[carmine agate]

Yeh

[olive ember]

Your best bet is gun psyker for boss damage

Followed by BB spam or voidstrike

Followed by duelling sword iirc

[gloomy obsidian]

Nah bruh that was easy as shit

[urban echo]

I wanna make a gun psyker build but I’m worried about the horde clear capabilities

[long wharf]

the real question is going to be - how much damage loss on void secondary will we see

[lyric burrow]

Assails one weakness is monstrosities and carapace yeah

[olive ember]

Eh it isn’t that bad, vet has one where they can’t get slapped by any melee in general

[lyric burrow]

Psyker isnt great vs bosses atm with the exception of like vraks mk3

[plush basalt]

so is there a guide out there for what stats/blessings to run for void and melee then?

[lyric burrow]

Void is nexus/surge

[olive ember]

I actually through that penance so many times via random gunner kick lmao

[lyric burrow]

For blessings

[rain meadow]

Soul blaze build goes hard

[olive ember]

I dunno if it’s written down anywhere but voidstrike is warp nexus and surge

[urban echo]

Isn’t soul blaze getting nerfed? I’m sure I remember that on the patch notes

[narrow crane]

ye

[rain meadow]

Slightly yeah

[urban echo]

Why is soul blaze getting nerfed?

[haughty bough]

Its stronk

[obtuse walrus]

Going from 4 to 3

[urban echo]

Also the ogryn nerfs are sad let big boys have their fun

[obtuse walrus]

[narrow crane]

I think it was strong

[rain meadow]

Well one specific soulblaze skill is getting nerfed

And only slightly

[urban echo]

Also is it only me who rarely sees ogryns in higher difficulties?

[snow coral]

well, the devs thought about a troll like me. I wondered what would happen to the crystals in the recovery mission if you throw them over the ledge. They respawn back at the original spot on the platform

[carmine agate]

I see a good amount of them

[clear heath]

I swear i see more ogryns when i'm playing ogryn

[rain meadow]

Ogryn just doesn’t have an answer to crushers

[clear heath]

i barely see any ogryn
then when i pick ogryn, suddenly we have 3

[carmine agate]

O.o

Rumbler

[urban echo]

Ye exactly it’s weird

[haughty bough]

Can opener, especially after patch 14

[rain meadow]

This is the exception

[carmine agate]

Rumbler ogryn only weakness is if it runs out

[urban echo]

I wanna level my ogryn zealot and vet seem a bit boring but I might just be ass at melee

[rain meadow]

Vet isn’t a melee class

Vet is gun man

[urban echo]

I meant zealot

[clear heath]

rending on elite kill talent helps with it if there are other elites around

[urban echo]

Vet seems just as boring

[rain meadow]

Can be fun with the right build

[urban echo]

Psyker and ogryn are too fun

[rain meadow]

Not to mention stupid strong

[olive ember]

Can opener ripper does the job perfectly fine

[narrow crane]

vet is just a john soldierman kinda class

[rain meadow]

John soldierman fr

[olive ember]

Oh oops that’s a misclick

[long wharf]

reeeeEEEEEE

[golden frigate]

this is the most cringe image I've yet seen posted here

[olive ember]

Kekw lemme gacha in peace

[long wharf]

sure whatever, just keep it to yourself

[urban echo]

HERESY

[clear heath]

not level 90

cringe

[olive ember]

It is lvl 90 now

You take that back

[clear heath]

uncringe

[long wharf]

weeaboo BS is Slaaneshi propaganda

[clear heath]

wait where is the p6

cringe again

[long wharf]

[nobody liked that]

[strong gulch]

This is more cringe. It's my Ayato fan art for Genshin.

[golden frigate]

wtf is an ayato

pls delet

[long wharf]

you could have chosen not to share

but you didn't.

[neat forge]

Hello! Bought a game recently and need some help with a psyker class!

1. What is soulblaze? How do I make soulblaze? Is the flame from Purgatus stuff a soulblaze?
2. How does Brain rupture extra charge work? For example, when I use any staff, I hold RMB for extra charge and can click LMB at any charge % and do damage. When I use Brain rupture, I hold RMB to charge and then click LMB and nothing happens and meter resets. Is this a bug? I only was able to use extra charge when I held RMB for 20-30 seconds, I couldn't find a clue or notification that says my extra charge is ready to use so I end up always clicking LMB and losing full meter of charge.

[olive ember]

It’s the blue dot effect from psyker

BB/BR right click is to precharge without a target basically, it still requires full charge but it means you can precharge when you hear a special spawn and then left click the moment they enter line of sight

[clear heath]

wait...
what the fuck is this?

[olive ember]

That was when I just got her smh

[tacit mango]

Hello, when will the store be updated for donat currency?

[neat forge]

1. What? What skill gives me a soulblaze?

[clear heath]

not m9
weak

[long wharf]

guys

there's no need for veteran chat to spill into here

[olive ember]

Imagine m9ing

[long wharf]

please let it stay there

we're better than that

[olive ember]

Uh it’s basically burn dot but for psyker so purge staff burn also counts as soulblaze

[golden frigate]

soulblaze is blue fire; you can make funny blue fire with blazing spirit blessing (trauma/voidstrike staves and force swords), with purgatus (left or right clicks) and with talents

[olive ember]

Also is that max potential

How much money did you spend

[clear heath]

i saved

for months

[golden frigate]

do you guys spend money on that

[olive ember]

Bullshit

Why don’t I have your luck

No I’m free to play

[teal needle]

I'm back from two days of work shit. I see assail is getting barely nerfed

[clear heath]

I did 300 pulls

[olive ember]

I did atleast 400

Bullshit

[clear heath]

I pulled 3, sparked 1, used tokens from CC shop and IS2 rewards

[olive ember]

Look at this shit

[strong gulch]

There are a number of different way to get soulblaze. There is a staff, there are blessing, and you can get it from a few different points in your talent tree.

[clear heath]

should've just been luckier

skill issue

[neat forge]

Thanks! Got it

[rocky cedar]

Ok who here is the tester that told FS they need to buff DS IV heavies even MORE and what planet do you live on?

[strong gulch]

I dolphin in my gatcha like a chump.

[sleek marsh]

crying about buffs,. this is new.

[spice veldt]

it was me barry I did it

[olive ember]

This was like within 100 pulls

I was so mad

[spice veldt]

the mk4 is indeed very good right about now

[rocky cedar]

Those stabs are already so dumb

I was sure they were getting nerfed if anything

[olive ember]

It was ME

[olive ember]

Tbh if they got nerfed no one would use it

They’d go back to deimos

[rocky cedar]

That is uhhhhh not my experience but OK

[clear heath]

well they're buffing the force swords too

[rocky cedar]

I just don't think a rapier should be 2-3 shotting crushers

[clear heath]

they're also buffing the crushers

[rocky cedar]

But I like to actually fight elites not just watch them evaporate

[rocky cedar]

Yeah that's good

[spice veldt]

i combust my peril over them

[rocky cedar]

DS balance across variants seems super wack though

[long wharf]

oh ffs, I can't say "k inky"?

[spice veldt]

yeah seems that they didn't give the other two duelling swords their correct values

since their current values don't match the patch notes

[rocky cedar]

What is the point of V currently other than better dodges?

Worse light attack pattern and I think slower heavies

[gloomy obsidian]

As a DreamyBull once said "BUSSSS~"

[spice veldt]

being sad and having a strikedown light

[rocky cedar]

Yeah seems that way

[elfin salmon]

is unlimited smite patched?

[rocky cedar]

Has the patch actually come through?

I thought it was preview notes

[spice veldt]

no i ate it

yeah just previews for now

[rocky cedar]

Pretty sure a fix was in the patch notes though

[teal needle]

Oh snap, force sword infinidodge going away

[spice veldt]

from the preview patch notes

[clear heath]

will this fix my fps when people use smite?

[spice veldt]

probably

in the meantime, die

[rocky cedar]

God we can only hope

[teal needle]

Smite will now do +125% damage to graphic cards

[clear heath]

unfortunate
i like attacking everyone's pc while casting smite

fatshark slowly killing off ways to grief teammates

[olive ember]

Btw @clear heath anyone of these guys worth leveling

[clear heath]

Yato and Nearl

Penance is nice too

[clever lynx]

Yato, Penance, Passenger, Lumen, Schwarz

[silent socket]

I require a gunker build

Somebody give me a link to a good one-

[clear heath]

I don't think he'll get much value out of schwarz since he already has poz raised

[shell marsh]

Anyone got a good starter cc build for psyker? Or is psyker better at killing the elite enemies (sorry if it is a dumb question very new to this game)

[main tulip]

Is this worth upgrading? Im lvl 27.

[royal falcon]

generally best to save your materials until you hit 30

[main tulip]

Aight,

[untold vault]

Force swords losing infinite dodges

[clear heath]

well 5 is still a lot

[pale pilot]

but gaining non-poopy damage

[untold vault]

Just fuck my shit up

[primal plume]

I LOVE USING SMITE
I LOVE STUNLOCKING MUTANTS
I LOVE STUNLOCKING CRUSHER PATROLS
I LOVE STUNLOCKING RAGERS
I LOVE STUNLOCKING ENTIRE HORDES
I LOVE USING SMITE ON THE BOSS AND STUNNING EVERYTHING AROUND IT SO PEOPLE CAN FOCUS ON THE BOSS

[untold vault]

But yeah 5 is still a lot

[clear heath]

i love dropping frames

[olive ember]

But I already have pozemka n texas n all that

[untold vault]

I just liked spamming dodge on psyker

[untold vault]

I think you should branch out your E2 lineup

[clever lynx]

still build anyway, especially Yato

[clear heath]

I don't think schwarz is worth it

[pale pilot]

it was funny to dodge through a croud or past a gunline or what have you if you had deflection faster and safer than sprinting

[clever lynx]

Yato is more physical where as Texalter is Arts

[untold vault]

Missing Myrthle

[pale pilot]

i still feel deflection should be a default trait of force swords

[olive ember]

But that takes time and money 😦

[untold vault]

I love kiting bosses with inf dodges and deflection

[olive ember]

Welp atleast I got her on like pull 3

[untold vault]

Made fleshbags even before patch 13 easily kitable

[clear heath]

Oh wanna see something cursed?

[untold vault]

[crude cape]

huh? is this not an overall buff to dueling swords? why

[untold vault]

Idk apparently they thought that duelling swords werent op enough already

[spice veldt]

don't ask questions

[untold vault]

"Adjusted cleave values"

They increased it

[spice veldt]

i'll vibe with buffs to the mk2 at least

[eternal junco]

dueling sword bufff

insane buff to arguably the best melee weapon in the game

[untold vault]

Revolver buffed. Guess gun psyker got even better

Void nerfed

[eternal junco]

second only to maybe power sword

[ebon jolt]

Eh good enough for now.

[eternal junco]

voidstrike still cracked

[olive ember]

I mean I’m not missing myrtle just

[crude cape]

https://tenor.com/view/friends-joey-tribbiani-matt-le-blanc-im-so-confused-gif-16814388

[spice veldt]

good, that's a statement and not a question

[olive ember]

Most likely cuz they are buffing health values again

[untold vault]

E2 her, leave her at lvl 1. Just make sure to M3 the first skill.

You'll use her so much

[eternal junco]

trying to play heresy+ diff in pubs is borderline impossible

people really be running off on their own for no reason

[untold vault]

Dont play heresy or regular damnation

[olive ember]

My money ;-;

[untold vault]

Hop straight into auric damnation

I tried regular damnation and it felt so much harder than auric damnation

God never again

[olive ember]

Rly? Both have questionable randoms

[untold vault]

Usually the really bad ones leave because they constantly die in auric damnation.

[onyx sentinel]

Game’s easier now so it’s easier for randos to wander off and not die first, and it’s not their fault when the team wipes

[eternal junco]

like I try to properly support and snipe with voidstrike and dueling swords

but the 5th zealot of the day just triggered a chaos spawn a mile ahead of us

[spice veldt]

top 10 moments that encourage a change operative > zealot

[clear heath]

if a zealot can't solo a chaos spawn, are they really a zealot?

[next mist]

sorry bestie 😭

[spice veldt]

vet L

[next mist]

they have it hard enough..........................

[river dawn]

what does this mean?

[next mist]

enemies explode into chunks now

[frank moat]

Fallout Bloody Mess

[river dawn]

Ooo that's cool

[viral solstice]

the idea is to make duelling sword special feel way nicer to use

there's a push attack chain buff in there

ds IV heavy -> special is now really smooth

the cleave buffs were meant to be just for ds2 lights but some profiles got mixed up so they all got it

DS2 vanguard heavy got the cleave now so it can... cleave

[steel flame]

Has the patch actually dropped?

[viral solstice]

no

[steel flame]

Sigh

[spice veldt]

the mk2 slips away from my hands again

[clear heath]

oh bleed is getting nerfed

[steel flame]

How much

[clear heath]

a little

[steel flame]

Eh

[clear heath]

also the ogryn talent that applies bleed has lower stacks now

[crude cape]

what does "added gibbing" mean on surge staff

[steel flame]

Gore

[spice veldt]

the fyi "this was 40 before patch #13" to make people less mad

[teal needle]

Bleed is still gonna be great lol

[clear heath]

Bleed does a lot of damage rn. I can see why they'd nerf it

[teal needle]

It kind of needs to be great to be worth running, why kill shit slow when you could kill shit fast

[steel flame]

I haven't seen anything I dont think is deserved this patch.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah bleed nerf is fine

[clear heath]

me when my ogryn heavies anything once and it just dies

[teal needle]

Duelling sword upgrade

[steel flame]

Shoosh

[lyric burrow]

Im guessing its to keep it as powerful as it is now with health upgrades( and maybe rending nerf)

[steel flame]

We don't want to lose that

[lyric burrow]

Idk if it needs it anyway tho

Not mk4 at least

[echo turtle]

I am amazed they are buffing dueling swords

[cloud heron]

Anyone have ideas on how to improve this staff?

[echo turtle]

Warp flurry 4

[next mist]

rebless warp fury

oh wait does the double shot on crit blessing apply to charged shots or just m1 shots

[cloud heron]

With just more warp flurry? or what?

[next mist]

ya warp fury 4

[echo turtle]

I don't think that is a blessing available in that staff

Flurry 4 is solid

[next mist]

no double fire..............

[spice veldt]

ye both

[next mist]

ooh

time to rebless

[steel flame]

Except trauma

[spice veldt]

so imagine Surge with a certain talent

[next mist]

unfortunately ur staff chose damage as its dump

[spice veldt]

a very very certain talent that gives deterministic crits

i wonder what interaction is there to be found

[steel flame]

That is a flame staff....

[cloud heron]

I havent played in a while. Is damage not the optimal dump stat for purge?

[storm egret]

the blessing that quells peril on crit is pretty good

[echo turtle]

Still searching for that surge blessing

[next mist]

forgive me i only use trauma and voidstrike 😭

[spice veldt]

L + ratio

[echo turtle]

It's going to be my white whale I know it

[steel flame]

Blaze trauma > purgatus

Fight me

[rapid token]

What should I go next for Assailer Psyker?

[steel flame]

Whatever your heart desires

[echo turtle]

You can change at any time so it doesn't really matter ATM

I recommend eventually grabbing telekine shield

[rapid token]

ok

is Prescience better since spikes go for the weakspot?

[cloud heron]

How do trauma crits work? Is it calculated for each enemy individually or everything in the blast is either crit or not crit?

[spice oar]

Two things I wish they decide to buff that hey havnt in patch 14 is the obscrusus and the venting shriek dmg shock wave talent

[spice oar]

Everything in the blast

[vast oasis]

you're going to end up taking True Aim at the bottom right anyway, you dont have to build crit if you dont want to

[steel flame]

Calc per attack. Attack crits, everything it hits gets crits

[spice veldt]

i recommend taking this talent btw

[cloud heron]

That sounds worse. How often is trauma critting?

[spice veldt]

easily one of the best talents on the skill tree

https://streamable.com/1crzqz

free damage

(uncanny strike gives rending to soulblaze as well)

[steel flame]

It's amazing cause aoe is huge and you can get a 25% crit chance with nexus

[ebon jolt]

Before it gets nerfed!

[rapid token]

soulblaze?

[spice veldt]

so imagine crushers in a clumped up area + you kill them + they get soulblaze + uncanny strike gives rending to soulblaze = they die

[spice veldt]

basically a damage-over-time effect

[vast oasis]

psyker fire dot

[spice veldt]

fire but it's blue and synergizes with psyker's stuff

(it counts as a warp attack, so it benefits from +warp damage and procs soulstealer)

[spice oar]

Oh fr?

[rapid token]

ok

ill get the last level for it

[spice oar]

How does that work, like do I need to have the weapon with the blessing out or

[spice veldt]

perilous combustion applies it in a 4m area which isn't to be underestimated https://streamable.com/o7myk5

[spice oar]

Is it just all the time

[spice veldt]

gotta have it out

and be stabbing to maintain it

go shank them crushers

[steel flame]

Rending shockwave works too? Can't remember

[spice veldt]

ye

[steel flame]

What I thought

[spice veldt]

rending% babeeeeeeeeeee

[steel flame]

Wasn't much reason to remember that interaction before

But now

[spice veldt]

imagine having an uncanny strike weapon and being able to apply soulblaze without having to swap off your uncanny strike weapon

truly one of the interactions of all time

[steel flame]

It's why I take it on my crit build with mk4

[lyric burrow]

Fair and balanced

[tired jackal]

@spice veldt so doing my illisi high warp/peril build would slaught or unstable power plus uncanny be dumb stonks? sorta

[spice veldt]

seems fine, though I don't run illisi anymore so I can't comment on its efficacy

with the caveat that rending% doesn't affect unarmoured/infested armour types

[tired jackal]

oh right so it'd be flak and specials up

[spice veldt]

ye

[lyric burrow]

That should be good

[tired jackal]

was trying to see if i could cheese more than 116 ticks than i already was lol

[lyric burrow]

Illisi is still one of the best melee weapons in the game

Glad they finally removed the infinite dodges in new patch

Will take me a sec to get used to tho

[spice veldt]

😔 game mechanic no longer completely ignored

terrible shame

[tired jackal]

illisi infi dodge is gone now FEELSBAD

[primal plume]

Why do they got to make me look like a shy schoolgirl

[spice oar]

Sitting beside "the bully" ogryn

[lyric burrow]

Tbf we still borderline ignore cleave

[spice veldt]

never heard of it

[lyric burrow]

...and armor mods

[spice veldt]

poxwalkers having 1.5 hitmass is very funny because weapons just have cleave values that are multiples of 1.5 now

instead of "3", we have "4.5" now

[lyric burrow]

Cleave in this game is wacky

[spice veldt]

delightfully devilish

[lyric burrow]

They really just threw cleave around

[spice veldt]

hell yeah brother

[lyric burrow]

Honestly im ok with it cleaving through 10 poxwalkers makes my brain happy

[cloud sequoia]

rip crab psyker

[spice veldt]

i like how there are these like little notes (same as Combat Knife) to appease people who might be ticked off by these nerfs

I vibe with it

[cloud sequoia]

[lyric burrow]

Wait does this mean psykers who only used illisi arent gonna know what to do in melee now

[ebon jolt]

Illisi damage is getting buffed pretty significantly so they'll be fine.

[lyric burrow]

True

rip arco

[spice veldt]

RUDE

[tired jackal]

im barely starting to read notes illisi buffs POG

[spice veldt]

i was born in the FIRES and FLAMES of the obscurus l1->h2->cancel

FORGED in the toughest era of them all

[lyric burrow]

It still had infinite dodges 🤨

[spice veldt]

uhhh

let's not talk about that

[tired jackal]

oh was that the soulstealer sadface was about the nerf womp

arco

[lyric burrow]

I believe in your ability to adapt

[spice veldt]

😔 7.5% toughness per warp kill

[lyric burrow]

Ill have to get used to it too lol

[spice veldt]

very sad

[tight birch]

Voidstrike go brrrrrrrrrrr

[spice veldt]

i'm surprised they didn't nerf it more

5% would've been what I'd pick

oh well

I certainly won't complain hehehe

[tired jackal]

and combust from 4 to 3 womp

[lyric burrow]

Should still be good tbh

[olive ember]

Where the fuck is my dodge distance buffs

If they are gonna take away my fucking infinite dodges then give me my dodge distance

What is a 3 inch shuffle to the side considered my dodge smh

[tired jackal]

ah boo no longer shout at monsters off a cliff unless last or first pulse

[olive ember]

Yep

Relic is unusable now

[tired jackal]

was funny though to shout em off its fine

[rocky cedar]

I approve of removing cheese personally

[olive ember]

Remove thammer then, boss one shots cheesy as shit

[rocky cedar]

Besides you can still ledge them you just have to position a bit better first

[rocky cedar]

I mean they did nerf shroud one shot build

Don't know if it's enough but we'll see

There's still way too many things that absolutely bully bosses regardless

But yeah honestly with all the other buffs it's gotten I'd kinda agree T Hammer really doesn't need THAT much boss damage anymore

[icy shuttle]

How do you see those stats?

[rocky cedar]

They should probably bring them all up to parity with Deimos yeah, 5 dodges is still a lot compared to most weapons though

[rocky cedar]

Scoreboard mod

[tight birch]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/22

[icy shuttle]

thanks!!!

they should just implement that in the game

[lyric burrow]

I dont mind t hammer boss damage as its horde clear is kinda mid and it doesnt have a ton of dodges, although they did buff the horde clear

[formal acorn]

Hows this for a nice find?

[tight birch]

I mean the whole api is there clearly so they just chose not to have it public

[icy shuttle]

definitely! i was always curious to see my damage output, kills, etc

[thorny oyster]

What do you guys think the new psyker meta will be after the update

[cedar zenith]

The same

[primal radish]

ok i did more damage than my whole team combined, im OP

[lyric burrow]

Probably the same

Maybe more variants of DS

[spice veldt]

MK2 DUELLING SWOOOOOOOOOOORD

[lyric burrow]

Everything should just be more evened out

[blazing echo]

Almost

[primal radish]

yea almost lol

close enough

[blazing echo]

Yup

[ornate hamlet]

What are some good melee options

[lyric burrow]

Illisi/deimos/mk4 duelling sword/devils claw/chainsword

Are all good

[mossy wasp]

lightning or shards?

for Damnation level

[spice veldt]

lightning if you like to stun large swathes of enemies but rely on the unpredictable monstrosities that are known as your teammates
shards if you like to have mostly deterministic kills

[vernal blaze]

i feel like ive seen an awful lot of people praising the deimos sword but when i use it the moveset feels pretty awful

[lunar hollow]

mk4 ds is more straightforward

since the heavies are just better versions of the deimos h2 for the most part

[vernal blaze]

like yeah ooga booga single target damage but i feel like thats all its really got going for it

[lunar hollow]

and u access them for free

[spice veldt]

deimos used to be the best single-target because it was the only weapon with good base damage and weakspot damage before

but then the patch buffed the mk4 duelling sword and people realized that light-heavy combos can go eat ass

[lunar hollow]

they kinda like

worked themselves into a corner

with deimos vs dueling swords

[spice veldt]

the one thing that would distinguish the deimos from the duelling sword, its special is peepee poopoo

[lunar hollow]

i mean in the special spam world we live in

the dueling sword special is better for most things since it can sometimes save u

[fresh crater]

So how bad is the hit to void strike damage

[spice veldt]

and doesn't stunlock you

[lunar hollow]

very true

[steel flame]

Probably Somewhere between where is used to be before the update and where it is now

Won't really know till the patch actually drops

[fresh crater]

Ah fair enough

Just woke up to the patch notes figured it was already out

[coarse copper]

should i swap both perks?

[crude trout]

Does the base stats of the classes, say for example Veteran's base crit chance of 10% prior to patch 13, still in effect this patch?

[spice veldt]

seems that they changed it

psyker W

[crude trout]

ohh so they did change it, Psyker W

[young moss]

does anyone have a good psyker leveling build?

[lyric burrow]

Damn ogryns lol

[eternal junco]

just use an axe until assail

[young moss]

what about for monstrosities and armored guys? Assail doesn't do much against them

[potent echo]

Axe heavies are decent against them

[eternal junco]

^

Dueling sword not terrible against them either

But tbh armored enemies are more of the zealot/veteran's job

monstrosities you can pitch in with like voidstrike or a laspistol

[left mirage]

voidstrike

im surprised they didnt decide to add in peril reduc on empd smite

its going to be ass now

meanwhile assail continues its dominance

[eternal junco]

smite building peril fast isn't insanely terrible

[young moss]

with the voidstrike, is it better to left click, hold right and spam left click, or fully charge then attack?

[left mirage]

i generally charge to around half then shoot

[eternal junco]

fully charge if you can hit shots

[young moss]

ok

[left mirage]

ye, higher charge means higher stagger

[eternal junco]

get the blessing that reduces charge time on consecutive secondaries

[spice veldt]

https://streamable.com/77q3s6

[left mirage]

so you'd need around max charge to stun chaos spawns on hit for example

[eternal junco]

He's talking about a leveling build

[potent echo]

That is is still levelling though, I doubt he has access to cool blessings

[spice veldt]

uncanny strike t1 is still good?

rending is now additive

[potent echo]

Yea but you do you get uncanny while levelling

[eternal junco]

yeah but like he's probably playing like haz 3

[potent echo]

It's all rng

[young moss]

im only level 17 so far. so far havent got any voidstrike staff with a blessing yet, lol

[spice veldt]

still good for cara

[half turtle]

i think those are more or less the bis blessings for trauma

oh i just realized you said "perks" and i thought blessings in my head

yeah you should swap both perks

[spice veldt]

duelling swords are one of the better weapons in this regard because they only have a blessing pool of 5

[twilit carbon]

Arcotash, found a bit of synergy between force sword, telekine shield (globe), and warp siphon. currently lvl 24, but keeping allies alive with these three is huge

[eternal junco]

draw aggro and use peril block

[twilit carbon]

exactly

[spice veldt]

trauma staff?

[half turtle]

trauma staff???!

[twilit carbon]

havent experimented much with staves

but each one i tried wasnt as reliable as id hoped

or maybe im using them wrong, more than likely

[eternal junco]

staffs are psykers bread and butter

[spice veldt]

trauma staff gets better because it has one of the wackiest scaling in this game

[half turtle]

they're all a little bit weird to use if you're used to guns

[twilit carbon]

currently using headhunter autogun

[spice veldt]

e.g., Charge Rate on the trauma staff scales from 2.5 seconds to 1 second

which is an insanely wide range

[eternal junco]

Are you charging the rightclick

[spice veldt]

I don't know why they made the scaling this large or why they made it the first staff accessible, but it does get better

[eternal junco]

the problem with trauma staff is that it's competing with better options

[twilit carbon]

im so used to sword that using ranged weapons feels clunky to me now xD

[eternal junco]

Why stagger a crowd when you can just kill them

[spice veldt]

he is going for a support build so there's that

[twilit carbon]

this

[eternal junco]

true support 👎

[spice veldt]

besides voidstrike being voidstrike, trauma does deal damage

[half turtle]

trauma actually has totally ok damage

[spice veldt]

I do like to shit on its single-target damage, but it's not negligible

[half turtle]

it 3?-taps crushers, which doesn't take that long if you have warp flurry and ok charge rate

[twilit carbon]

ill give trauma another try

[eternal junco]

I miss old surge staff

[half turtle]

the one thing is that the damage radius is much smaller than the stagger radius

[spice veldt]

for trauma, I'd prioritize Charge Rate and Blast Radius

[eternal junco]

new ability that replaced surge just doesn't feel the same

[half turtle]

it sure kills 1 thing really fast tho

[eternal junco]

yeah but like

Voidstrike

[half turtle]

maybe it'll kill 1 thing really fast next patch too

[vagrant frigate]

gun psyker gang gang

[half turtle]

no idea how impactful the voidstrike nerfs will be

[eternal junco]

Dunno why they made surge single target

[half turtle]

idk but it's gonna explode dudes next patch which is exciting

[eternal junco]

It's being shoehorned into the same niche as voidstrike

[plucky token]

RIP Infinite Smite. I will miss you.

[vagrant frigate]

rise of gunker

my mk7 is gonna be a dmr after this patch

[half turtle]

the great thing is that voidstrike isn't even in that niche because its aoe clear is totally fine

[spice oar]

Eh

[eternal junco]

Yeah but it's clearly intended as single target

[half turtle]

surge doesn't require you to hit headshots seems to be the upside

but in practice most stuff in this game kinda just stands still so

[eternal junco]

with how massive and fast the void ball is headshots aren't too hsrd

[clear heath]

...did they really nerf plague ogryn?

[half turtle]

i think there's certainly an amount of nerfing they could do where i would prefer surge every time

[dense bramble]

Everything runs in a mob toward you with the same height heads +-

[plucky token]

The Voidstaff can bowl a strike on a horde if it's a hallway

[half turtle]

right now i basically only take surge because Lightning Cool

[vagrant frigate]

run mk7

[eternal junco]

I only take surge if I for some reason drop my dueling sword

[dense bramble]

Voidstrike is meta atm and by quite a long shot I feel.

[vagrant frigate]

its off meta and will be meta next patch

[plucky token]

They are nerfing dueling sword's infinite dodge which sucks

[dense bramble]

The infinite line of destruction feels great but I clear hordes of literally anything

[vagrant frigate]

force sword

[dense bramble]

Tell me it isnt so

[eternal junco]

peril block nerf?

[vagrant frigate]

5 dodge max

[plucky token]

oh was it force sword? lemme check

[vagrant frigate]

force sword has infinite rn

[dense bramble]

Fuck off man I love the infinity dodge

[vagrant frigate]

it is going to 5 because knife is 5

[dense bramble]

Who asked for this

[twilit carbon]

this is what ive got so far.
im able to reliably pull up globe shield for toughness, and then skirt the edge for mob clear
plant one down on top of a boss and block the damage through sheer toughness and warp shield.

ideas on where to progress from here?

[plucky token]

yep you're right

[dense bramble]

Its literally a fucking lightsaber

[plucky token]

nvm dueling swords is still swiggy swaggy

[eternal junco]

dual dueling swords when

[spice oar]

Or aim at all

[vagrant frigate]

this post was made by gunker

[twilit carbon]

dont care about damage

[eternal junco]

he's playing support

[dense bramble]

DD is ass bro

[eternal junco]

get peril block

[spice veldt]

I'd probably go for Kinetic Deflection

[vagrant frigate]

its funny

[twilit carbon]

will do

[clear heath]

wtf power sword getting buffed?

[vagrant frigate]

kinetic deflection is free rez

[spice veldt]

DD is unreliable, but its bonus is rather appreciable when you have your stacks up

[eternal junco]

kinetic deflection is free anything that can be blocked

Literally turn swarms into free toughness

[plucky token]

IF I WANTED TO PLAY A GUN WIZARD I WOULD HAVE BEEN A VETERAN. I WANT TO USE MAGIC DAMNIT.

WIZARD TIME FOOLS

[twilit carbon]

KD doesnt work with Warp Expenditure currently. the synergy is bugged

[spice veldt]

discord crashing god damnit

[plucky token]

ponders my Orb

[twilit carbon]

still KD has its merits

[vagrant frigate]

wizard with a gun >>>

[eternal junco]

the orb demands you DIE

[eternal junco]

kd has the merit of making anything blockable a pushover

[plucky token]

https://tenor.com/view/monke-orb-pondering-monke-orb-pondering-orb-pondering-monke-gif-24110070

[twilit carbon]

kind of

sniper shots to the face are still going to down me

even during KD

[potent echo]

Gun wizard is fun if you already have 100h in psyker and you want to try something new

[half turtle]

hmm

[spice veldt]

kinetic deflection devil's claw 😎

[eternal junco]

yeah but like there's really no solution to that

[half turtle]

● Talent “Counter-Fire” - Added Scab Stalkers as Volley Fire Targets
finally lol

[olive ember]

yeah no damnation randoms are dogshit

[half turtle]

woops wrong channel

[twilit carbon]

true

[vagrant frigate]

500h

[spice veldt]

die

[olive ember]

3 games in a row where someone just aggros dh and leaves

[potent echo]

No you're in the right channel

[twilit carbon]

snipers are the reason i bring brain Rupture, and if that's not quick enough, i swap to my headhunter.

[vagrant frigate]

need i remind u dd lets you do this without scrier procced

[spice veldt]

hmm was that a non-crit

[half turtle]

what's dd

[vagrant frigate]

u dont need crit with dd

it shits on crushers

[twilit carbon]

Dungeons and Dragons

[spice veldt]

roughly 1.2k weakspot so that makes sense

[potent echo]

Distrupt destiny

Daldur's Date

[vagrant frigate]

dude every crusher is 1tapped

[half turtle]

o

[vagrant frigate]

with dd scrier and crit build

[spice veldt]

and rampage

[vagrant frigate]

i dont take rampage anymore

i had it up in that clip

i run crit on hit

cuz the crit will kill it in 1

dont have to proc a rampage

[potent echo]

Duelling sword cleave increased to 4.5

[vagrant frigate]

wait actualy

[potent echo]

SoonTM

[spice veldt]

does roughly 1.7k on crit with warp rider and max uncanny strike stacks

[eternal junco]

imagine power dueling sword

[potent echo]

How does 0.5 cleave factor into hitting groaners or poxwalkers

[spice veldt]

duelling sword lights currently have 2 cleave

[vagrant frigate]

stay that way please

[spice veldt]

groaners have 1.25 hitmass, and poxwalkers have 1.5

the cleave buff was supposed to be for the mk2's lights specifically

but oh well

[potent echo]

So you can hit one and 1/4 poxwalker?

[spice veldt]

guess we'll get cleave buffs on the other marks for now

[primal plume]

Does surge still do more damage to armour?

[potent echo]

No

[eternal junco]

yea

what

[vagrant frigate]

@spice veldt did u see the mk7 headhunter buffs

[primal plume]

lol

[potent echo]

They reverted it back to 100%

[eternal junco]

since when

[potent echo]

Check patch13 notes

[primal plume]

so its flat across the board then?

[potent echo]

Do some readin

[spice veldt]

i haven't looked over them yet but they must be good?

[eternal junco]

damn there goes surge's niche

[potent echo]

Not really it's still 90% maniac I think

But about there yea

[vagrant frigate]

damage up and fire rate and mag down

i already run it all the time

i hit things for like 90% of their health all the time

its gonna hit so many breakpoints

literal dmr

[potent echo]

Nomanus Mk VI Surge Force Staff

Base Damage (0%, 80% Damage Stat):
1st Target: 200, 360 to 400, 720.
2nd Target: 75, 135 to 100, 180.
Base Damage armour Modifiers:
Unarmoured: 35% to 100%.
Flak: 150% to 100%.
Carapace: 150% to 90%.
Infested: 35% to 100%.

It's normalized

[potent echo]

They also nerfed vraks3

So vraks3 is kind of cancelled, vraks7 king noe

[vagrant frigate]

look at my mk7

waiting for crit weakspot damage perk to roll at 4 to swap it

[young zinc]

so for the force swords, does riposte trigger on any dodge or only one that makes an enemy attack miss?

[vagrant frigate]

attack miss

gunners dont count

[potent echo]

Take deadly accurate as well probably

[vagrant frigate]

is that the headshot crit bonus

thats what im waiting to roll

[young zinc]

yeah deadly acc is VERY, VERY strong rn

[potent echo]

Yea 100% more damage on weakspot critical hits

[young zinc]

for tier 4

[vagrant frigate]

im waiting for that

i have tier 3

[young zinc]

3 is 90%

[vagrant frigate]

iam swap it

bye bye crucian roulette

mag count getting nerfed next patch anyways

~10 less bullets

5% less crit

[young zinc]

we dont know for sure, all that is subject to change, but it is likley

[vagrant frigate]

that mf is gonna be a dmr

it already is

[young zinc]

more base damage in return iirc tho

I prefer the MKIII cuz thats strait up just the battle rifle from halo minus the scope

[potent echo]

It's crazy you can now probably bodyshot kill some shooters now

[vagrant frigate]

yes the base damage

you can

[coarse sequoia]

do you want slaughterer on deimos force sword?

[vagrant frigate]

you already can bodyshot with 15 stack and scriers

without crit

[potent echo]

Yea but that's so many buffs

[vagrant frigate]

or either + crit

[potent echo]

Now it's probably alot easier

[vagrant frigate]

oh for sure

half the ammo use on them

2 shots to 1

headshot kills anyways

[potent echo]

True, maybe you can one tap flamers now

[vagrant frigate]

i already can

without deadly accurate

and just scrier + dd

its a 25% dmg buff