psyker-class

[sour bison]

crit boosting your damage ever further

[cedar gale]

Does the smite with empowered still work

[carmine agate]

When does the cosmetics rotate? I thought the krieg was out for 2 weeks alrdy

[steel egret]

Hard to say, they did accidental rotation during one of hotfixes after it.

But they did revert it

[vestal fulcrum]

Thursday or Friday, most likely

[fresh reef]

try new build
can't carry as effectively
wipe every single time
why do I choose to torture myself like this

[carmine agate]

thanks

[unique mist]

FUCK YEAH

ONE PROBLEM: I'M OUT OF PLASTEEL

second problem: i don't have a staff good enough to transfer it to

[vestal fulcrum]

Like… transfer what to? This is a serviceable staff

[fresh reef]

fr, just swap the perks to Maniac/Flak and you're golden

[near wyvern]

It does help to one shot ragers, gunners and shotgunners but you can't one shot flamers because kinetic presence does not give the +10% against specials what it claims to do

[near wyvern]

You can use this one, just slap a flurry over warp nexus and you are good to go. The perks don't matter it's that strong.

[vestal fulcrum]

So, the aura only works against elites?

[near wyvern]

Yes, this and many more is listed in Atheneum

[vestal fulcrum]

why, of course it doesn’t work as described

[near wyvern]

Never trust Fatshark descriptions

[spice veldt]

my 300iq brain always knew it worked against only elites (because I didn't bother reading the description since I assumed it would be the same as the old feat tree)

can't get tricked by descriptions if you don't read them

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s been an update?

Most welcome, that is. I’m always eager to learn new things

[plucky flax]

Fartshart quality.

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, that’s partially on me, I’m not very keen on tearing feats’ actual effects apart in the Psykhanium, I take some things for granted

It’s not my problem FS needs to work on more accurate descriptions of the things they design

[unique mist]

why wouldn't i run nexus?

it's just a straight boost to my surge chance?

[twilit carbon]

Does Warp Expenditure synergize with Kinetic Deflection?

[spice veldt]

unfortunately not

prob bugged

Battle Meditation used to not work with Quietitude

[twilit carbon]

how might i make the most use of Kinetic Diflection for now?
I'm a melee psyker

[spice veldt]

it's nice for throwing push-attacks if they're good on your weapon or convenient for the situation without risk of guardbreak

and not getting caught by ragers

[stable silo]

Auric is so easy wtf

[spice veldt]

but otherwise, it's not a massive game changer in melee in general

[twilit carbon]

noted

[spice veldt]

nice to have against chaos spawns though

[twilit carbon]

im trying to make a build that can tank a daemonhost similar to shield ogryn

i dont much care for damage. im trying to get as much survivability and frontline sustain as i can

[spice veldt]

prob MKV duelling swords then

[stable silo]

If anyone is wondering on making the jump to damnation from heresy just go for it then damnation to auric is even easier

[spice veldt]

the Defence stat scales the default block cost of your weapon

[twilit carbon]

not a force sword?

noted

[stable silo]

The quality of team mates you get is so much better in damnation

[spice veldt]

MK2/4 have a block cost of 0.5, and an 80% Defence Duelling Sword has a block cost of 0.33

ironically, force swords are one of the worst weapons for blocking (against melee)

[twilit carbon]

really?

[stable silo]

But they have unlimited dodges so thats pretty good

[spice veldt]

iirc they have the lowest amount of stamina for their block cost

[twilit carbon]

noted

[spice veldt]

1 block cost and only +2 stamina

though force swords also have better pushes (and I'm remarking on the pushes in particular, not the push-attack) which only cost 1 bar

so it's not as though they're strictly worse in terms of stamina stats

[twilit carbon]

should i focus on mettle for crit -> toughness generation, or should i go warp expenditure and weave in charging the sword?

[spice veldt]

with some stamina from elsewhere, the MKV duelly will be the best blocking weapon

depends on whether you've got a source of reliable crit prolly

[twilit carbon]

lol, im level 14 for now. just trying to figure out a solid floor to stand on

or rather, trying to learn where psykers can fit into melee

[spice veldt]

you're going for smite, right?

[twilit carbon]

yeah. cc smite

[spice veldt]

I'd go down the left side of the tree instead

[twilit carbon]

using barrer for chokepoints

brain rupture instead?

[spice veldt]

into soulstealer/quietitude -> perilous -> blah blah since you prob don't have as many crit sources

[twilit carbon]

noted

[spice veldt]

oh nah I just mean going down the left from the top and not through the whole tree

since the top right stuff is crit stuff which your build seemingly will not make use of

[twilit carbon]

at least not for now

probably not going to be until 30 until i heavy invest in crit stuff

[unique mist]

Soulstealer for how many kills smite gets?

[spice veldt]

they're prob going to bring a force staff

[twilit carbon]

15% toughness on warp attack kill

[spice veldt]

and +15% toughness per warp kill is one of the strongest toughness gen feats even with minimal warp damage

I expect it to be nerfed to 5%

that's how good I think it is

[twilit carbon]

bubble/wall or shriek?

im thinking bubble/wall would be better for support, which is my preferred playstyle

but then shriek is also good for a secondary quell if i need it

[unique mist]

i would say shriek for smite to get a quick way to quell peril if you need it and reduce peril generated (given you dont have empowered psionics)

[spice veldt]

you could run shriek for now as you get accustomed to psyker

[unique mist]

yeah

[twilit carbon]

two things i dont like about smite is im a sitting duck, and allies dont understand to take advantage of it

[spice veldt]

yeah that's the nature of pubs

[twilit carbon]

for sure

[spice veldt]

and a good portion of people not having played Psyker and ehatnot

[unique mist]

as you get into higher difficulties your allies start to actually have a brain

and will kill your smited targets

[plucky flax]

Unlimited power meme but teammates are doing nothing Xd
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fgebio7n_w

[zenith cosmos]

lol i need that build

[unique mist]

but also the sitting duck thing is just a symptom of smite itself and part of the reason I dont run it

[reef nacelle]

Smite is garbage is pubs

[lucid terrace]

“I am zapping the enemies for you to attack.”
”you are going to kill the crusher with your low damage blitz, got it”

[twilit carbon]

xD

[unique mist]

smite is fine in damnation lobbies

maybe heresy too

[fossil lagoon]

Just say in voice chat "kill the stunned mobs"

[reef nacelle]

Eh I would only run it with friends

[twilit carbon]

this makes me giggle, but also pain

[spice veldt]

😔

[reef nacelle]

At least with assail you can carry your team

[twilit carbon]

kind of?

the missiles just kind of...go places?

[spice veldt]

youll have to somewhat aim them

[reef nacelle]

with assail?

[twilit carbon]

we're talking the Magic Missile thing, right?

[spice veldt]

the shards lock onto the enemy that your cursor is over of the shards are within a certain distance of them

[reef nacelle]

Assail is probably most broken blitz in the game rn

[jaunty rapids]

What are the current op Psyker staffs?

[unique mist]

Voidstrike

[sterile saddle]

Players are wild. They see the blue bubble on a mobs head and they will leap, dash and ult their way through mobs and mediums to reach it but you smite half the map the target saturation is too big so they turn off their brain

[unique mist]

Thats it

[plucky flax]

Using non-bugged smite with soulblaze build is very good for carrying.

[spice veldt]

also, there is a bad bug with assail rn involving force swords

[twilit carbon]

duly noted

[unique mist]

voidstrike is leagues above every other staff

[wet belfry]

Voidstrike, voidstrike, voidstrike and voidstrike. I belive that was it?

[unique mist]

especially with Surge

[spice veldt]

holding out your force sword while assail shards are floating in the air breaks their targeting

[sterile saddle]

I mess with people using assail right click. It blue bubbles heads, you can make players attack things for you

[jaunty rapids]

What blessings do you want on Voidstrike?

[spice veldt]

so if you were doing that, they'll just float in the air even if you meet the conditions for them to lock onto an enemy

[lucid terrace]

More reason to use dueling sword

[sterile saddle]

Surge and warp peril

[twilit carbon]

last question for now.
whats a combat ability?
is that our shriek/shield/gaze?

[spice veldt]

ye

[twilit carbon]

noted. ty kindly folks

[unique mist]

either warp nexus and Surge, or warp flurry and transfer peril

[twilit carbon]

i do appreciate the help quite a bit

[unique mist]

surge is much more powerful

[lucid terrace]

Don’t do drugs

[reef nacelle]

Surge is OP

[plucky flax]

Surge staff? I agree.

[reef nacelle]

What’s best blessing on duelling sword

[lucid terrace]

Fire Frenzy

[spice veldt]

Uncanny Strike

get dat rending

and then for the second blessing, you'd pick among riposte/shred/precog/rampage

[acoustic seal]

12 more missions complete and 1 more mission without getting hit and I finally have the pieces I've been grinding for.

[spice veldt]

(rampage is bugged to give ~2x damage currently)

observe this highly ✨intended✨ behavior https://streamable.com/0xpve1

[plucky flax]

Rampage on duelling sword is sus.

[spice veldt]

yeah I wouldn't run it typically

and esp not on the mk4

but I'm sure you could somehow make use of the crackhead ~2x damage bonus it currently gives

make the MK2 good pwetty pweeease

[zenith cosmos]

anyone have the tree for this palpatine build

cant seem to find one via google it takes forver

[lethal folio]

I think Rampage just always gives 50% increased melee damage ontop of the power increase.

[plucky flax]

Oh take smite then take empowered blitz.

[lethal folio]

If I'm reading the template right.

[plucky flax]

As long as you have 1 charge of empowered it'll not cost any peril.

[zenith cosmos]

whats the top of my tree tho

[reef nacelle]

What talents you guys run

[plucky flax]

Well that's up to you. I'm just saying the core build for unlimited power is smite + empowered psionic.

That's it. The rest is your preference.

[reef nacelle]

Smite does no dmg right

It’s only for stun clearing

[lethal folio]

about 100 dps

[carmine agate]

typically people pair it with soulblaze stuff

to kill them

[reef nacelle]

Even with soulblaze it is zdps right

[carmine agate]

soulblaze talents and venting shriek with fire

[plucky flax]

It's a lot of dps.

[carmine agate]

like that recent vid up there

if there was no soulblaze spread from elite kills

it would take waaaay longer

[zenith cosmos]

ya im new so idk anything on what to take lol

[reef nacelle]

It ticking for like 50 dmg lol

[plucky flax]

Non-bugged smite + soul blaze (watch the kill feed)
https://youtu.be/9e0oBfL4nqo?t=312

[spice veldt]

it adds up since the target limit seems quite high

[magic edge]

any pskers here able to switch to an ogryn with a shield and help me brainburst a daemonhost?

[spice veldt]

beyond smite, what are you running currently

[reef nacelle]

Looks slow

[spice veldt]

since it's hard to say what talents you should pick unless you really want to build around it

[plucky flax]

Alright I'm interested to see how you can kill that many elites and specials faster.

Not even with assail because you'll run out of shards.

[carmine agate]

no matter what it is way faster than just purely smite holding

i once smite face off against crusheers

for more than 20s

asking for help

[reef nacelle]

You barely use smite in the clip lol

Voidstrike would not only delete those elites it would stagger the rest too

[carmine agate]

plus if 6 stack shriek killing most trash in less than 3s and chunk the rest is not fast i guess its just being used to using broken stuff like assail and void

[plucky flax]

You use non-bugged smite to generate peril quickly.

Then spam creeping flame.

Voidstrike won't go through 10+ muties running in a train.

[reef nacelle]

Muties ain’t for you to deal with

Let the zealot wreck them

[plucky flax]

[reef nacelle]

Voidstrikes performs better there for sure

[carmine agate]

[plucky flax]

Hrmm double the disablers killed of the zealot.

Yeah let him deal with it and maybe we'll wipe much sooner.

[spice veldt]

tru psyker doesn't have any weapons that demolishes mutants

would be a shame if we did

[plucky flax]

Not like mk4 duelling sword no.

[carmine agate]

yeh definitely not mr stabby face

[plucky flax]

That's such underpowered mutie killing weapon.

Pls mr zealot help.

[spice veldt]

vewy bwad

[reef nacelle]

Show that staff plz

[spice veldt]

at least for mutant waves, basically any melee is one-shotting them anyways

even Dclaw sweeping heavies will do it

[plucky flax]

It's surge staff with 25% flak 25% maniac.

Warp flurry warp nexus.

[spice veldt]

(if you can hit the head, since it feels harder to hit the mutant heads with dclaws)

[carmine agate]

just gotta be more brave

to dodge at last sec while stabbing them in the face

then a second stab to the back if 1st doesnt do it

[reef nacelle]

I could never run that staff

It sucks

[spice veldt]

seems like the strikedown heavy is a little harder to hit the head if I don't position myself well or dodge backwards to stay at a certain distance from the mutant

[plucky flax]

Daig 2.0?

It's fair man play what you like.

[carmine agate]

yeh

i rotate all the staves knowing that voidstrike is op

[plucky flax]

Maybe they'll even buff surge further.

[carmine agate]

if not it gets boring for me

[summer prairie]

have you tried what your damage is like with surge without creeping flames

[reef nacelle]

Just run 4 psyker

On maelstrom

[carmine agate]

just have competent players

though till now my most comfy being carried run is done by following ogryns not psykers

[plucky flax]

It's still very good single target dps but no spread damage anymore. However, why not use the tools the game give you?

[carmine agate]

rumbler ogryn is just walking thru dying stuff while everything ragdolls

[reef nacelle]

Ogryns OP

[summer prairie]

Oh I use creeping flames with everything

but I think it's making surge look better than it is

[spice veldt]

i haven't met any good ogryns on NA west yet 😔

[carmine agate]

i love creeping flames ability to deal with the entire horde without anything else

[spice veldt]

everyone is just playing psyker so far, so I haven't seen people pull off the busted shit on the other classes

[unique mist]

i found plenty in oceania/asia

many in rp

[carmine agate]

the psykers i met are all self exploding ones

[plucky flax]

It has very good synergy with creeping flame and warp charges. Kill elites/specials for cd reduction, then spam flame.

[unique mist]

That was me, sorry

the doctor diagnosed me with premature self detonation

[carmine agate]

i wish the self explosion hits the entire screen and deals damage like ogryn nuke

[unique mist]

It does like 300 damage

[carmine agate]

so it always ends in awkward silence of 3 teammates looking at the exploded psyker

[unique mist]

it would become a build in and of itself

[carmine agate]

wounds suicidal psyker build

[unique mist]

psykers just self Detonating to ice the entire room

yeah

[carmine agate]

when we become the pox burster ex

[steel egret]

Explode right after starting cutscene is done

[summer prairie]

Does Unlucky for Some (50% toughness replenish on "ally" knockdown ) also trigger when the psyker goes down

[rose kindle]

psyker chat do you like pairing with ogryns or do you think they are annoyance?

[carmine agate]

i love them

since u know. theres barely anything they can block from us anyways, unlike vets

so its just a trusty teammate

[idle bay]

I Love to have Ogryns in the team. One , two or there - it's very comfy and safe 🙂 Damnation feels like Sedition

[spice veldt]

ogryns are good for tanking burster waves

[summer prairie]

I only want ogryns on my team

[fresh reef]

guh

[spice veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[rose kindle]

Anyhting specific you like ogryns doing? Charging, taunting or gunlugging ect? Or just general mayhem?

[ebon jolt]

I like ogryns on my team as long as I’m not a vet. Trying to shoot down a lane with 3 big bois walking in front of you is not fun.

[fresh reef]

everything about Ogryn's kit is good, generally speaking

[summer prairie]

tanky, can complete objectives/res, good damage

[fresh reef]

so I don't really care what they bring

[spice veldt]

do whatever suits the situation

[fossil lagoon]

My fav ogryn is the ones who put their shield in the ground and does nothing !

[left geyser]

Anyone got a decent video on some new builds?

[ebon jolt]

Psyker or any class?

[left geyser]

Psyker

[limber marsh]

I saw an orgyn solo carry us when all died on difficulty 5 against 2 bosses and horde at the same time. He just didnt die, fought all the way and revived us it was insane

like a mythical being

that was a great dream

[potent echo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR1Et6qV1Qw&t=2s

[left geyser]

Thanks

[rose kindle]

Ok thanks for answers. I only have 1 character (ogryn) and since I see so many paykers I’ve been trying to figure out how to combo well with them

[ebon jolt]

RealAsianRobot has build videos for each staff. Claysthetics put out a video highlighting a couple of builds for each class.

The best part of a new patch is trying new things and seeing what works for you.

[empty swan]

is this a good sword for psyker?

[ebon jolt]

Not really. Base stats are too low. If you’re leveling up it’s a good sword though.

[empty swan]

when you say base stats u mean the dmg mobility warp etc right?, why is too low?

[ebon jolt]

Yeah. It totals 313. Max base attributes is 380. You want damage, finesse and first target to be as close to 80 as possible.

[empty swan]

oh ok thanks for the info

[runic nest]

It's a nice one if you got it free and wanna try it out - none of its stats outright suck and it has a cool blessing you can earn from it later.

But it's not gonna be your last one, because of what the others said.

[left geyser]

Best blessings for the voidstrike? Not super up to date

[runic nest]

Long-term, you want Damage and First Target maxed, followed by Finesse. Those three determine how much hurt this sword puts out, and that's the main reason to use this sword - incredibly deadly pokes.

Mobility is also very useful, while you can mostly ignore warp resistance on this sword.

[harsh delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00MjXLGJxtQ on staff animation of smite

[serene edge]

what is the best gun for psyker now?

[empty crest]

Anyone got any tip on how to complete that or penance where you have to take out 90% of a monstrosity’s health with brain burst on heresy difficulty?

[cold oasis]

it can only be done in private game

So, pretty much just find a team

[empty crest]

Would you say waiting until I’m level 30 is a must, or can it be done with me at level 22

[wise ruin]

so ive got a question about the new penances, some of them say to kill with brain burst i assume that means only brain burst counts? didnt play in a while and i have some done for it whille i wasnt using bb so that makes me kinda confused

[empty crest]

When you use the alt attack for force swords, it empowers it with a brain burst(to my understanding), that could be where your getting those numbers from

[cold oasis]

I mean, as long as you have 3 other people on teamspeak you can do it easily

it just takes a while

[wise ruin]

oh that would make sense ig

[silk scarab]

This isn't good and I'm just tired thinking it is right?

[empty crest]

Time to start a LFG then lol

[cold oasis]

Let's not start this again. Just say "yes it is" and never use it again

[empty crest]

Shit, that’s better than any staff I have….guess il go back in my hole

[silk scarab]

I was talking the specific perks and blessing not the staff in general.

[potent echo]

run n gun

terrifying barrage also does nothing

if you try it in the meatgrinder you get 0.5seconds of suppression per kill

[idle bay]

Run and Gun actually not that bad if you can score headshots while sprinting 🙂

[silk scarab]

Probably won't waste my melk fun bucks on it then.

Been the highest rating anything from Melk for a week now.

[potent echo]

for purg you want burn stat 76% or higher

to get max 15 stacks of soulblaze

damage doesnt really matter too much

[silk scarab]

Gotcha I knew to favor burn just didn't know the exact number.

Thanks for the info

[blazing trout]

Purg biggest impact is from warp nexus and high burn stat.

Crits build stacks faster iirc.
I like unyielding/flak on mine.

I’m actually not sure anymore if an old interaction is still true..
I know before you could increase your power and that would increase the damage from burn.

But iirc they fixed that feature as it relates to the Kant shotgun. Because I used to do the same thing with thrust on my zealot

So I’m not sure anymore if switching to a weapon with power based blessings does anything anymore..

[signal galleon]

anyone wan to join this 3 man for a private heresy

[potent echo]

afaik it still works

[queen fog]

There’s a channel for this jakie

Multiple to ensure you find the right region people

[potent echo]

but most power blessings were nerfed in 13

[acoustic seal]

10 more mission completes to go for the head piece I've been chasing. I feel accomplished finishing this latest penance.

[maiden grail]

is upgrading brainrupture good?

or should i take one of the other blitzes?

[steel flame]

#itdepends

[twin yacht]

how would you guys rate the force staffs?

force swords**

[maiden grail]

im lvl 6, ive used it pretty well to take out threats my squad can handle like maulers etc

[steel flame]

Depends on what kinda build you want. All crowdclear builds or stuff that struggles with carapace benefits greatly from brain rupture

[twin yacht]

and whats the reason to go force swords over duelling? mkIV feels great with special stopping mutants etc

[maiden grail]

yeah, this early on i fell i need some single target dmg, i know people will be better at that at higher levels. im max with ogryn

so its decent atleast for a while maybe? what are the others good at? assail looks kinda bad tbh

[potent echo]

unlimited dodge and deflector blessings

also the push attack can be nice to control elites

[steel flame]

Force swords are more balanced and can all do elite damage and crowd clear, unlimited dodging and unique blessing that pair well with the new trees

[potent echo]

i always go duelling sword nowadays though

[steel flame]

Diemos is and always will be amazing

But dueling swords are the new and shiny thing rn

[potent echo]

it lost its amazingness in patch 13 though

[twin yacht]

Why is Deimos so good? great attack pattern?

[potent echo]

cant 1 tap bruisers in the head anymore

because they buffed bruiser hp

poopoo

[steel flame]

Stupid damage, great mobility

[spice veldt]

force sword stabs deal bonus danage

[maiden grail]

what perks do you want on deimos?

[spice veldt]

though the single-target melee role has been succeeded by the mk4 duelling sword currently

[potent echo]

deimos heavy combo is poor compared to duel4 too

[steel flame]

I like unstable and slaughter, which makes it great for hordes and elites/specials

[chrome patrol]

how would a good duel sword 4 look?

[twin yacht]

worth going max mobility on it as psyker?

[spice veldt]

assail is the best among them damage-wise

[potent echo]

on a duelling?

[steel flame]

Also most flexible

[spice veldt]

sure, since cleave damage and penetration are whatever

[twin yacht]

deimos

i figure both? as melee wep is mainly for ms i figure

[spice veldt]

o

[potent echo]

mobility doesnt make too big a difference for FS

although if its too low, you cant dodge dance vs bosses properly

you dodge back but plagryn uppercut hits you anyway

[spice veldt]

warp res is the preferred dump stat on deimos

since you're not using the special much

and quietitude/warp expenditure enjoyers will like low warp res

[royal granite]

emperor's gift, is mk 4 the good one?

[twin yacht]

does holding blitz get affected by previous held weapon? Assume I cant statstick at all?

[lyric burrow]

Not bad

Could swap the 2 perks

[spice veldt]

nope

[lyric burrow]

I forget how much of a difference t4 uncanny is

[twin yacht]

stuff like this can affect it i get ofc tho, active buffs

[spice veldt]

you can swap off from assail to another weapon though to benefit from its perks and blessings

while the shards are floating

[twin yacht]

dont they lose their homing property then?

[royal granite]

only if you swap to melee

[spice veldt]

only with force swords

[twin yacht]

ah okay

[royal granite]

oh only force swords? lol

[spice veldt]

because force swords have some shenanigans that messes with the targeting of assail

damn is this why people think assail is bad

[potent echo]

assail stops tracking once you switch to FS?

[spice veldt]

yeah

[potent echo]

what the hell

[spice veldt]

crab remarked on how force swords have brain burst targeting active at all times or something along those lines

and that's messing with assail's targeting

[potent echo]

[royal granite]

i don't think assail is bad, i think it's amazing, i just think the people that crutch with it on auric d5 are bad

[potent echo]

well i had the same experience at the start of the patch 13

[spice veldt]

we must convert people to duelling swords

[potent echo]

i tried using it in close quarters and it seemed to do nothing

because i was switching to FS

[royal granite]

never gonna swap off my obscurus tbh

[potent echo]

v interesting

[royal granite]

managed to grind out the good rolls obscurus with the right perks and blessings before ANY of the item qol shit was implemented

[spice veldt]

I didn't use force swords after the update at all since I was made aware of duellies being proper strong

[dense bramble]

Its never stopped being good enough

[royal granite]

this thing is glued to my hand forever

[dense bramble]

It might not be optimal but obscurus is literally fine.

[spice veldt]

bloodthirsty nerf made me sad for my obscurus, and I got my fix from the illisi instead

[royal granite]

it kills muties, which is the main thing i need it for

[dense bramble]

Ive never even had a bloodthirsty. All i roll is fucking force swords dude

[ebon jolt]

Oh. I guess this is why it felt terrible to use the other day. I tried it for a game or two and it didn’t jive.

[spice veldt]

bloodthirsty used to give crits for 5 entire seconds instead of just the next swing which was nice (but admittedly wouldn't be balanced currently)

I'd use bloodthirsty on the illisi but it'd be not worth it on the others

[lyric burrow]

Arco do you still think illisi is psykers best melee

[dense bramble]

Slaughterer on illisi?

[potent echo]

ew illisi

[lyric burrow]

I went back to it last night with surge and it def feels better than mk4 dueling still

Mk4 duelling is very good tho

[lyric burrow]

Yes

[rancid spruce]

The illisi is just another Psword, but with deflector

[potent echo]

if you want to use a horde clear weapon how about a Dclaw

[spice veldt]

depends and I'm not sure how each melee compares to each other currently

[royal granite]

dclaw doesn't have a button that gives you toughness

[spice veldt]

at least pre-patch I tested most melees on Psyker to be confident

[lyric burrow]

Dclaw is very good as well

[spice veldt]

but I would currently rate single-target melees extremely high right now

[ebon jolt]

I meant more with enemy health increase I don’t think my OG force sword can special heavy weakspot kill mutants anymore. Will have to test.

[royal granite]

force swords are just so good defensively

[ebon jolt]

I also don’t have bloodthirsty

[lyric burrow]

Tbf illisi still has good single target

[spice veldt]

10 crusher patrols 😔

[lyric burrow]

Loses out to mk4 on stuff like crushers and bosses tho

[potent echo]

i'd really disagree with that

[spice veldt]

I want my crusher two-shots

[potent echo]

cant even kill bruisers in any sensible time

[royal granite]

doing melee against any 10 crusher patrol is a bad idea

[dense bramble]

Theres no bind with illisi. getting stuck on a crusher will kill you

[spice veldt]

nah

[rancid spruce]

Yes, but they should remove the unlimited dodge count. It still would be great defensively, but not at the ridiculous state it is

[spice veldt]

risky but not terribly a bad idea

[royal granite]

illimited

[spice veldt]

and I main trauma so it's even less risky

[lyric burrow]

Sure you can, it still kills them very well with the special and it staggers them

[potent echo]

you need to turn it on for every bruiser though

[dense bramble]

I run the damage for peril perk so I always run hot in melee

[royal granite]

that's not even what makes them so strong

[lyric burrow]

Its slower than mk4 for that i would agree but illisi still kills specials well

[royal granite]

it's the fact that force swords can interact with the peril mechanic

which means you can get toughness and +damage on demand

[lyric burrow]

Still one shots most specials and does well vs muties esp with unstable

[spice veldt]

infinite dodges are unbelievably safe

actual 0 braincell gameplay when I used force swords

[dense bramble]

Why play wizard if youre not going to use the wizard gear?

[royal granite]

exactly

[spice veldt]

cuz psykers have other neat attributes

[lyric burrow]

Yeah illisi is super easy

[obtuse moth]

there are wizard spells? and so theres more than one option lel

[spice veldt]

I only used force weapons before since they were generally the best options

but now that the majority of weapons isn't dogshit

[lyric burrow]

Can just faceroll the tame

Game

[royal granite]

sorry i didn't sign up to wave an inert stick of metal at enemies

[spice veldt]

and we have crack cocaine toughness regen

my inert stick of crusher two-shots 😔

[potent echo]

its not inert its uncanny

[spice veldt]

truuuuu

[dense bramble]

Which duel sword is best

[spice veldt]

mk4

[potent echo]

mk4 does the most damage with its heavy stabs

[spice veldt]

cuz it's the only one that got buffed properly in this build lol

[royal granite]

i imagine our toughness regen is going to get looked at as well

[spice veldt]

you'll notice that the numbers on the MK2/5 do not match the patch notes

[potent echo]

they will probably give a timer to toughness on warpkill

so you dont get all your toughness back from chucking 3 assails

[spice veldt]

nah

[rancid spruce]

It always have been this way though

[spice veldt]

it's on kill so I wouldn't expect a nerf with an ICD

[lyric burrow]

Yeah psyker does have infinite toughness lol

[spice veldt]

prob just nerf the amount of toughness you regen

Mettle is the one I'd expect to have an ICD

[royal granite]

they stomped veteran's toughness into the dirt

[potent echo]

that means surge staff users be like

[royal granite]

no precedent doesn't mean it can't happen

[spice veldt]

though their tree is outdated

[potent echo]

at least on surge staff 15% per cast seems alright

[rancid spruce]

But he can still tank so much with toughness
They indeed reduced it, but it's arguably better now

[spice veldt]

they have a better tree if you look at the deep dive post

since their toughness feats are at the top

[potent echo]

feets

[spice veldt]

sussy wussy

[royal granite]

it looks the same to me

[spice veldt]

the connection to the grenade feats are different

and there are some talents moved around

[royal granite]

oh yeah look at that

[lyric burrow]

The crit recon build is insane lol

[royal granite]

that's not the tree they got though so i'm not sure how their current tree is outdated

[spice veldt]

cuz we're on an older build currently

updates are being delayed by Xbox certs

[plucky flax]

Cool so I can go back to mk5 when they fix it.

[spice veldt]

trajedy

[royal granite]

oh gross

[spice veldt]

multiple variants being good 😔

[plucky flax]

It's speedier and the heavy pattern is better.

[royal granite]

xbox has really been a millstone around this generation in gaming

[wise ruin]

anyone got a good gun psyker build? never played with a gun but i keep getting guns in the shop so decided to try it out

[spice veldt]

I'd probably use the MK2 after it gets buffed

since it has the cleave heavy

[plucky flax]

[royal granite]

starting with microsoft demanding every game that comes out on the new gen also be capable of running on the series s

[spice veldt]

I expect it's h2 to get buffed

[plucky flax]

Imagine using duelling sword for horde clear.

[potent echo]

is this confirmed tho or just speculation

[spice veldt]

ye but it has the cleave heavy in addition to mk4's h1

[spice veldt]

a play tester remarked on it

[potent echo]

understandable

[plucky flax]

Yeah but you have to block cancel if you want to keep doing single target pokes.

Too much effort mane.

[spice veldt]

#veteran-class message

[spice veldt]

my crack cocaine addiction will fuel it

[plucky flax]

[lyric burrow]

Yeah mk2 should be fun if it gets brought up

[potent echo]

oh i didnt know johnny was/is a playtester

[lyric burrow]

Ill need to make a good one though

Mk2 is the only one ive never used

[ornate hamlet]

Does this mean there will be further changes soon? Do we know what changes in regards to Psyker?

[bleak tulip]

listening... watching

[potent echo]

[bleak tulip]

hey arco what should they do with assail again?

[spice veldt]

we don't know anything really, though some changes have been alluded to

[bleak tulip]

[spice veldt]

didededeedded

[bleak tulip]

sdidiididiidiiidi

[ornate hamlet]

Is there a summary of those anywhere?

[potent echo]

did'ed'nt

[spice veldt]

uhh for Psyker idk if they said anything

[ornate hamlet]

Ah okay.

[spice veldt]

and I forgor

[limpid roost]

MK II and MK IV Blaze Sword seem identical on wiki page - what am I missing?

[wispy iris]

no nerf? 👀

[bleak tulip]

moveset

[limpid roost]

IV and V, pardon

[spice veldt]

mk4 has a far better attack combo

oh

different normals and specials

[limpid roost]

Hmmm...

[potent echo]

psyker needs 9 month of dominance to make up for 9 months of vet dominance

[spice veldt]

illisi (mk5) has a power sword special but worse normals for single-target

[bleak tulip]

you know I am okay with this

[spice veldt]

deimos (mk4) has stabs that deal more single-target damage

[wispy iris]

real

[plucky flax]

Do we even have any psykers main as playtester?

Seem to be ogryn and vet only.

[limpid roost]

I suppose the difference must be shown by combo line - which isn't on wiki. Hm.

[potent echo]

now vets actually need to use brains when playing

[limpid roost]

It shows the typing, but not the full combos.

[vestal fulcrum]

Who are the Vet testers, besides Crab?

Jsat had invested a lot of time into Psyker in the testing realm, though.

[spice veldt]

action Johnny is another vet player

[plucky flax]

This Johnny dude is vet main I'm pretty sure.

[spice veldt]

one of the mods is also a vet main playtester

[karmic copper]

@royal granite can you link your obscur? I found in the late spring when slaughterer was all the rage(which was when i left for 5 months) that going from heavy to light for the horde combo, there was a delay that constsntly would fuck up the combo. It wasnt there before the patch came out and it shit my bed repeatedly after the fact. Any idea?

Im reading messages from 30cmins ago or so***

[spice veldt]

they changed the hold timing on the 2nd heavy, but I think the speed is the same?

I'm not sure, but it did feel quite off

they also changed the animation

and I prefer the old ones

[royal granite]

sorry, already closed the game

i don't really use melee to clear hordes on my psyker

just for single target damage and for playing defensively

or just pushing to clear space so i can use purge or something

[limpid roost]

There's a description of purpose down the page farther but no combo list. 📝 I suppose that's better than nothing but the combo tree would be a good add.

[spice veldt]

the combo descriptors can be misleading anyways

or are outright inconsistent and wrong

[karmic copper]

Thats awesome to hear! Ive played verm2 with action johny for years and we both started playing darktide together when it came out. Hes been on all through its life. Has tons of experience on all characters. Thats neat to hear him mentioned lol

@spice veldt ill have to try it out again whenever i get home. Im also all about the force swords. I play sienna for fire n shit. I play psyker for spells and force shit. I always felt wierd when id use an antax or whatever. Always wanted to be using force sword no matter thats up.

[spice veldt]

I'm quite fond of obscurus's attack combo

[karmic copper]

Ill have to try it out again. Legit havent played since diablo 4 came out. Just cameback 3 days ago

Had 500 hours or so on psyker at springtime

[lyric burrow]

I havent played obscurus in forever

[karmic copper]

I miss me some tide. Looking forward to some verm with sienna 4th career too. All my friends are back onto verm2 and darkt

Wish i could get my damn brother to play some tide

[potent echo]

sienna with assail and brainburst

unstoppable

[thin finch]

good

[kindred anchor]

There is no vet main tester

[slate sun]

Can you share how you make it work? heavy-block-heavy for single target? The wide sweep second hit is very awkward.
I've got also trouble targeting stuff as the blows for light strikes come from very different angles.

[near wyvern]

Cause you can proc true aim multiple times if you just line up the heads, resulting in back to back guaranteed crits. Combine this with warp flurry and run battle meditation, inner tranq and battery as well to become a monster

[spice veldt]

l1->h2->cancel is the clear combo, and then for single target you'd prob just l/h2->h2->l3

basically, just avoid the 2nd light except for doggies

[karmic copper]

You used to be able to not NEED to block cancel on horde with obscur but again the delay now is so fucked. Or the dalay in the springtime probably still

[near wyvern]

Obscurus

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[kindred anchor]

Crab and action is not for real tester

[vestal fulcrum]

There’s at least 3, from what I learned today

[kindred anchor]

They hating strong vet and want support vet

[vestal fulcrum]

But we don’t have to want the support Vet - I’m just playing the old builds and they are working reasonably well

[plucky flax]

Vet pre-patch
Vet post-patch

[lyric burrow]

Vet post patch is still fine imo even if not as crazy as he used to be

Which is good he was absurd before

Although now psyker just took his place

[bleak tulip]

there can be only one

[plucky flax]

Psyker main rejoice.

[thin finch]

Hey dawg, I heard you liked cleave (it's melk shop )

[hearty sedge]

I have a MK1 cata sword with those same blessings.

[potent echo]

is vet stealth supposed to support 🤔

[hearty sedge]

It can clear through 20 plus trash at once

[thin finch]

I may take it and then grab one of the blessing when I find the other

[hearty sedge]

Vet stealth is a get out of jail free card that promotes bad play.

[potent echo]

isnt shout better for just that purpose though

[hearty sedge]

Shout is a brief stagger. Stealth is up to 6s of free repositioning.

[potent echo]

free repositioning but still has collision

[spice veldt]

stealth can be pretty clutch for revives

[potent echo]

so bad

[lyric burrow]

Yeah stealth is very good for revives

[hearty sedge]

Stealth is infinitely better on zealot. So is shout.

[spice veldt]

had a game where we died but a vet managed to run ahead with enemies behind and get everyone up

stealthed through the patrols

[potent echo]

its good for the solo run to revive 3 dead teammates, similarly

[plucky flax]

Vet confirmed op.

I take it back.

[thin finch]

Wait, I've just realise that warp charge, by default, does not give bonus damage

[spice veldt]

vet op

[plucky flax]

Pls buff psyker.

[hearty sedge]

Vet just feels really bad unless you are going full on left tree + grenades

It feels like anything they do zeallot just does better atm

[lyric burrow]

Vets crit recon build feels very good havent played a ton else on him yet

[thin finch]

sdamn it's true you need empyrean to hjave bonus damage, the main perk of warp charge is cd reduction for your ability .
I .. I am not happy about this

[hearty sedge]

I mean, if you aren't abusing las guns with veteran it just feels like discount zealot

[lyric burrow]

New dlaw and chainsword are nice to have though

Obv they are also good on zealot

[hearty sedge]

I mean, zealot even gets that node of plus 2.5% toughness from range kills. Why the hell doesn't vet have that?

[supple sedge]

how do i play psyker?

[spice veldt]

vet gets the +2.5% toughness from all kills node right or am I misunderstanding that

[hearty sedge]

Three ways; Gun psyker, staff pskyer, assail psyker

They all are wildly different

[supple sedge]

i meant generaly, i ogryn normaly

[hearty sedge]

2.5% from melee.

Its broken or not labeled right

[spice veldt]

aah

[lone cosmos]

If your peril gets high, press R

That's about the only big fundamental difference

[lyric burrow]

Yeah idk how to feel about new vet atm

[supple sedge]

im on Xbox but i understand.

[lone cosmos]

Beyond that, same fundamentals, except you're a lot squishier

Dodge, don't go off alone, etc

[supple sedge]

you tell me i was scared half the time sice i have to look UP to my enemies

[dim parrot]

In that case press x :D

[supple sedge]

instead of looking down

[ebon jolt]

All of the rending nodes are solid. With the one that gives a +15% to all weapons being a standout for most builds.

[hearty sedge]

Stay at longer ranges and abuse the constant damage of staves to be presence. Use your special abilities when needed, usually near cooldown. Don't get surrounded, your best weapons really struggle with cleave

[lone cosmos]

From my experience playing Psyker after mostly sticking to Ogryn

Assail is easy to make use of

Probably the easiest way to level the class and get somewhat familiar with different staves and your melee options

After that, you can branch out and try other builds and grind items

[supple sedge]

i see

[dim parrot]

but use it wisely, dont spam it or u will make a lot of enemies

[lone cosmos]

Pretty much

[thin finch]

I disagree ,asail being too strong ,you might not learn correctly

[lone cosmos]

If you're denying people their cooldowns and stacks

[dim parrot]

its how I play mostly

[supple sedge]

i know that, as i had been an Ogryn numerous times before

[whole oxide]

honestly best to just avoid assail if you're learning, it'll make very bad habbits

[spice veldt]

abuse it while it lssts

[lone cosmos]

You can still play sedition to malice at level 30 to learn fundamentals if you keep throwing at higher difficulties and Auric

[spice veldt]

get that money

[lone cosmos]

It's just an easy way to level fast

[supple sedge]

i see

[lone cosmos]

And get to make the other builds attainable

It will teach you bad habits

But if you're mindful of that and don't think you have to learn a different playstyle with other builds

You'll be fine

[supple sedge]

i like other builds

[hearty sedge]

My general recommendation as a psyker is to find a battle buddy. You are insanely vulnerable by yourself, if you don't know what you are doing a single rager can down you. In return, you are granted some of the best sustainable DPS in the game via staffs.

[thin finch]

does surge starff have the warp fire blessing ?

[lone cosmos]

A single rager can down anyone who doesn't know what they're doing tbf

[spice veldt]

kinetic deflection 😎

[supple sedge]

i have shield build to protect lil ones, gunlugger to kill horde to defend lil ones, i have mace build to crush heretic for lil ones. all my builds are to protect my team

[lone cosmos]

Trying to level vet and zealot is painful when the team wipes to bosses or rager groups

[supple sedge]

my first rager ever almost killed me

[spice veldt]

Psyker has similar dodge stats to zealot so we're not that vulnerable in melee

[supple sedge]

good thing it reminded me of vermintide

PLAGUE PRIEST SCUM

[lyric burrow]

Yeah i still feel very good in melee as psyker

[dim parrot]

didn't see the s at first

[lyric burrow]

If you run illisi your borderline invincible

[lone cosmos]

Psyker gets dueling sword

Very fun

[hearty sedge]

Six bulwarks guarding 4 crushers and a tide of maulers. Then you see the pew pew pew of level 15 recon vet spamming into the wall of death.

[native oyster]

What are the best perks and blessings to have on the mk2?

[lyric burrow]

Duelling sword being good now is nice

Well mk4

[supple sedge]

are there any sword that acts a bit like a rapier

[hearty sedge]

Uncanny and whatever other one you want

[lone cosmos]

They'll wipe on sedition

[native oyster]

dueling sword

[lone cosmos]

Though

[supple sedge]

thanks

[lone cosmos]

One of the funnier wipes was when a plague Ogryn threw two people into out of bounds

[native oyster]

mk4 and 2 are the best

[supple sedge]

as a Saltzpyre main i will abjure these foul heretics

[lone cosmos]

And they clung to the wrong side of a death pit

[native oyster]

Zealot is down the road, psycher is more like sienna

[supple sedge]

thank you.

[supple sedge]

i know

[lone cosmos]

So nobody could revive them

And it was the finale

Very fun

[supple sedge]

pain

[lone cosmos]

Turns out, a level 6 assail psyker has a hard time against a finale when your only help is a bot

[hearty sedge]

My favorite wipe of all time was on a monstrosity auric when all four of us got eaten at once

[lone cosmos]

Darktide vs mode someday

Could you imagine?

[supple sedge]

i cant wait to be killed by 4 dogs

[hearty sedge]

It had the same feel of playing the floor is lava, but in an empty parking lot full of angry wolves

[hearty sedge]

Damnation hunting grounds

Four pins are not uncommon

[supple sedge]

sever PTSD ensues

[lone cosmos]

Hunting grounds are fun at any difficulty

They add that little bit of complete chaos when you get a big wave of them at the wrong time

[supple sedge]

as an Ogryn the only true enemies i have are trappers and dogs

if i cant move i cant defend the lil ones

im use to be hurt badly but the lil ones are weaker than i so i dont want them to hurt

[hearty sedge]

Or you have Pablo.Gonzalez.2007 On your team, busy spamming lights into the crusher overhead while you're netted right next to them watching your death approach.

[lone cosmos]

Hey now

[dim parrot]

that name xD

[supple sedge]

what is true

[lone cosmos]

It could also be Steelers.pro.2001

[supple sedge]

ah not to me talking.

[hearty sedge]

I feel like whenever you are netted a crusher will appear out of literally nowhere to be your executioner 9 out of 10 times

[dim parrot]

really? 4 me its toxflamers or default flamers most of the time

[hearty sedge]

And then no one wants to step in the fire to unnet.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah anytime i get netted 7 flamers show up

[lone cosmos]

It's always flamers

Or a grenade flies in

[dim parrot]

I can be your hero baby!

[lyric burrow]

Its always after i get netted through a railing or something

[rustic sand]

I have it with crit bonus, and damage to unyielding enemies as well as riposte and uncanny strike. Works great with my crit build and I pair it with the surge staff and brain rupture.

[hearty sedge]

I am almost certain the grenaders always target netted players. Grenade will just sail out of thin air pass through two different air ducts and then tumble down on top of your netted corpse and your left wondering where the fuck did it even come from.

[dim parrot]

they have 2 communicate with eatchother on walkie talkies

[zinc phoenix]

Smite says no

BAD DOGGIE ⚡️

[zinc phoenix]

For me it’s always a squad of flamers showing up out of nowhere after I missed dodging the net fired through a mutie. They assemble into a four point star and literally barbecue my netted ass

[gloomy obsidian]

Which one is worth it, I thought the 360 or the 368

[hearty sedge]

360. Quell isn't that important.

I mean, it is but the 80 warp resist will really help

[gloomy obsidian]

Yeah figured as much

[thin finch]

if quell sucks you can always rely on blitz or force sword

[rain meadow]

thoughts on full flame psyker?

so flames + ability cooldown

[hearty sedge]

Viable, have a chainsword or force sword for carapice and bosses.

[rain meadow]

yeah i take force sword

flame psykers crowd control is kinda insane

[rain meadow]

also mindblast

[hearty sedge]

Take damage instead. Even 4 stacks is pretty piss dps.

[rain meadow]

its supplementary to the purgatus staff

i mean the ability cooldown KEYSTONE

[hearty sedge]

Doesn't matter. Stacks accumulate so quickly that it is effectively useless.

[rain meadow]

but also venting good

[thin finch]

What does that means ?

[hearty sedge]

Anything within range of your shout is better being dealt immediately 100 damage.

[thin finch]

If i get 30 target do I go to 31 or to 60 ?

[queen fog]

Bio lightning touches more people

[hearty sedge]

It jumps to one extra Target. It also affects your surge staff

[thin finch]

it's ..Weird to haev juste "one more guy" with smite

with surge it's cool tho

[hearty sedge]

It is designed for your left click rather than your right click

[thin finch]

ooh it's instant ?

[hearty sedge]

Yes, instantly targets plus one

[thin finch]

on nice , ok

[rain meadow]

except that having creeping flames lets you take advantage of in fire reborn

for more cooldown

to quell more peril

to BURN MORE

[summer prairie]

always take creeping flames

[rain meadow]

unless ur going gun psyker, yes

and having your ability cooldown be reduced as much as possible allows for more uptime on kinetic resonance

to pop more heads

its basically an engine powered by fire and head popping

more fire, more quelling, more headpopping

which also means more toughness from quietude/warp expenditure

if you take them

[thin finch]

oh well , a revelation came to me in a dream
smite is meant to be spammed

[rain meadow]

i see we found a REAL psyker

"it came to me in a dream" is 100000% psyker shit

[thin finch]

I mean, you go from 7 second to kill a poxwalker to 3 seconds , there must be some shit to do here

[rain meadow]

psyker is kinda overtuned rn

granted, i got the game like a week ago

but psyker feels very strong

[lone cosmos]

All classes feel strong once the build starts to come together

It's a good thing

[thin finch]

It's sell sucks but I think there is some stupid bullshit to do here

[brave fiber]

zealot over here 1 shotting assasination targets

[hearty sedge]

Except vet, who feels a bit mid since the patch

[lone cosmos]

I've heard the hotshot lasgun build is pretty good?

Idk, my vet is still level 3

I'll level it someday

[brave fiber]

imo vet is really good, just kinda boring in comparison to other classes

[lone cosmos]

He is just a guardsman

Maybe we'll get something funny like Elysian drop troop skills with a grav chute

[gloomy obsidian]

shadow psyker money gang we love calling the warp

[rain meadow]

met a guy whos psyker was named shadow wizard

[faint mauve]

hmmmm

that don't seem right

[lone cosmos]

Warp taint has fouled the binary cants

[gilded viper]

Hey for gunker what should I run? revolver or what?

[twilit badger]

Simple

Don't run gunker

[midnight warren]

Laspistol gives good results if you can hit weakpoints and like to SPRINT EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME

[gilded viper]

I do like speed

[twilit badger]

Such hipster thing do using guns instead of staff now

Since staff are performing really well

Void being literally OP

[midnight warren]

Take a high mobility gun, go right tree for movespeed bonuses, get OHKd by first mauler because you are Psyker'in balls

[gilded viper]

That's great and all, but I didn't ask

[twilit badger]

That's great and all, but wasn't talking to you

🤡

[midnight warren]

That's actually great

It's too bad that Scryers doesnt feel that great, but that might be a skill issue I'm having

[gilded viper]

What do I want on a laspistol, don't think I have any blessings unlocked lol

[harsh urchin]

Depends on your build

[zinc phoenix]

If you get DD+SG flowing the speed is nutty and very fun

[karmic copper]

wish i could gift this to someone

[midnight warren]

+Weakspot damage, maybe +Flak if you're trying to doink gunners

[zinc phoenix]

For melee

[harsh urchin]

Revolver is a strong weapon rn, vraks is also very strong

[zinc phoenix]

Revolver is based

[midnight warren]

based on what?

[zinc phoenix]

Mom’s 🍝

[gilded viper]

which vraks?

[zinc phoenix]

3 headhunter

[midnight warren]

It's fucky, because as a gunker you trade off your horde clear or whatnot for what is essentially a discount vet. The way warp charges used to work, meant that you could maintain a chunky +24% damage buff and hit breakpoints the vet couldnt. Not really a thing now

[harsh urchin]

well you can still do that lol

[midnight warren]

+charge on elite kill instead of warp charge, and always blow your charge load on ability use, whereas you could take a talent that would preserve them

ergo, you're right, but fuck me does it feel worse to go down that route

[harsh urchin]

the main problem is that if you're giving up

infinite ammo staves

you need to use a gun that's way better

nothing really beats VS

and only revolver and vraks really beat out the rest of the staves

[midnight warren]

Oh absolutely. Gunker was just a way to play the class differently when you got bored of staves

There's lots of utility in having a team member not need ammo or grenade drops

[unkempt juniper]

i take revolver and the ability cooldown talents, then focus on removing specials and elites to spam a shitton of shields for my team
works p well imo

[midnight warren]

Oh yeah, the playstyle has adapted to the new talents which is good

[unkempt juniper]

also took smite for more support

and some waveclear

[gloomy obsidian]

legalize exterminatus

[midnight warren]

Idgaf how meta things become so long as everyone has options and ways to play that suit them

[harsh urchin]

the problem happens

when people do a gunpsyker and it's just worse than a staff build

because it has less dmg/synergies and also eats up team ammo

but it's bound to happen lol

[unkempt juniper]

thats why the best gunker build is shield spam

you keep your team alive

[harsh urchin]

lots of people don't make coherent builds

[gilded viper]

Perhaps we'll see a buff to warp charges

[unkempt juniper]

doing your job(removing elites/specials)

[midnight warren]

I have a bone to pick which is basically every class has more ways to be a ST freight train

So you might get 4 players who all speced into yeetus deletus, and you're all basically competing for who has the bigger hard-on for the maulers and crushers

Which leads us back to being a good psyker support player is 11/10 Smite Approved

[unkempt juniper]

gunker doesn't need to be better or worse than a staff build, it needs to be different, it needs to do different things

if psyker had the flamer than either the flamer or purge staff would be completely redundant

[harsh urchin]

lol no

the fundamental comparison you're making is to staves

if you use a gun and have to use ammo

the gun has to be better than a staff to be worth using

[unkempt juniper]

staffs use peril and can kill you

[harsh urchin]

if you're bad

[unkempt juniper]

they don't have to be better, just different

tru but still

you only run out of ammo if your bad and miss a lot

[harsh urchin]

but that's the opportunity cost

[midnight warren]

Hmmm... thing is, lots of psyker'm'nuts talents synergise with your peril

[harsh urchin]

that we make

so in order to make a gun work, you either have to

[unkempt juniper]

it needs to be different from what staffs can do

[harsh urchin]

A. hit a bunch of BPs with the gun
B. utilize some cheese mechanic unique to psyker

[unkempt juniper]

i use the revolver to remove specials quickly, get that cd reduction/warp charge from them so i can spam shields for my team

[harsh urchin]

that's how vraks, and revolver work so well currently

vraks can abuse the fuck outta true aim

and revolver can give handcannon to assail

that's why old autopistol was so strong as well

[unkempt juniper]

wait what? assail can get blessings?

[harsh urchin]

because you could apply 150% power to get 250% damage to your ascendant blaze

[harsh urchin]

yes...lol this is why people are playing revolver on psyker

you don't just put a gun on psyker because you think it's funny

people do it because there's some kind of bullshit you can abuse lol

[waxen igloo]

Which blessing?

[lyric burrow]

Yeah if you apply handcannon with revo on something then assail gets the benefits of handcannon as well

[karmic copper]

i feel like i read surge staff gets the bonus from smite talents? extra target and 10% damage?

[unkempt juniper]

oh so you mean that assail gets rending if you hit with handcannon first

[karmic copper]

or smite gets blessings from surge staff, or something like that

[lyric burrow]

Assail will basically have handcannon applied to it iirc

Same way slaughterer used to apply to soulblaze

So it was just stronger soulblaze

[unkempt juniper]

r8

[brave fiber]

hot

[midnight warren]

j u i c y

[vagrant frigate]

gun psyker killing every elite/special

9 ranged 49 melee 51 disa 43 spec

[midnight warren]

On the left we see the based hordeclear psyker, on the right we see the equally based gunker

[vagrant frigate]

20k enemies staggered

💀

[midnight warren]

Look at that, it's almost like there's multiple ways to play a class, have fun, and contribute

[midnight warren]

Smite's a bitch ayo

[vagrant frigate]

the weapons

[midnight warren]

Interesting. I thought Mk VI sword was meta

[vagrant frigate]

i dont use meta lol

[rigid wigeon]

As a smite psyker is my main goal just to CC stuff and let the team kill stuff?

[vagrant frigate]

pretty much

mk4 swordi s so fun

pokey eveyrthing

1shot crusher

[midnight warren]

You can kill shit too, but if you find yourself getting overwhelmed, yes

Smite psyker is pretty much the easiest way to prevent a pack of ragers/crushers/muties from steamrolling a poor defenceless vet within nanoseconds

[limber heath]

it is lol

IV not VI

but who cares about meta, use what's fun

if meta happens to be fun then it would be braindead to be like "umm no i can't actually use this sorry its meta"

[vagrant frigate]

pokey shooty build

crit based

[midnight warren]

based on what

[vagrant frigate]

crit

[thorn cedar]

based

[pseudo oar]

You also need to work on a good Palpatine impression for voice chat.

[supple sedge]

what would psyker want from ogryn to improve?

[obtuse moth]

could you rephrase that

[supple sedge]

so i wanna be better teammate for little ones

i block shots that i know

[royal granite]

not for us

you're doing alright big man

[supple sedge]

is there anything i do to disrupt psyker?

okay good to know

[frank moat]

All Ogryns are perfect

[supple sedge]

thank you sah

[frank moat]

Of course, large associate

[pine relic]

what's the purpose of smite? the damage is incredibly low

[royal granite]

crowd control

the only thing it can't stun is monstrosities

it's a lifesaver in high intensity missions

[plucky flax]

Unlimited power memers.

[bleak tulip]

finally got surge, man transfer peril is such a crutch, I gotta actually quell now

wild how that works

so close to perfect, wrong dump and useless perk 🥲

[plucky flax]

Don't worry voidstrike will go back to the bin after nerf.

[bleak tulip]

never

[plucky flax]

[whole oxide]

play melee-only auric maelstrom and find out

[bleak tulip]

I used the mid staff before and I will do so again

[plucky flax]

Tru enjoyer.

[bleak tulip]

[fathom adder]

Maybe in another year or two, crafting will be finished and items can be unfucked and/or built exactly how we want them.

[plucky flax]

I've used blaze trauma from the start. Was already op and somehow FS buffed it quite significantly.

[reef nacelle]

is this okay as a starter dueling?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

thats solid

change unarmored to flak

[reef nacelle]

do mutants class as unarmoured?

[bleak tulip]

no

[reef nacelle]

and maniac

[bleak tulip]

basically only trash and snipers are unarmored

probably forgetting something like dreg shooters

but overall its useless

[reef nacelle]

kk ty

[bleak tulip]

sniper, dreg bruisers and stalkers are unarmored, groaners are too, poxwalkers are infested https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/u/0/d/1PtPcw4m4YtO_IcEkFlJJOBVWCYDEIeCKJRYLT4SmLc0/htmlview?pli=1

[reef nacelle]

ah so they can never have 2 armoured categories

[ebon jolt]

Aren’t dreg gunners unarmored on their face?

[reef nacelle]

i assumed mutants didnt have armour so it would be 50% inc dmg

[bleak tulip]

body parts can have different armor but the perk buffs apply to the base

iirc

[mossy sundial]

What’s our best staff option after void?

[bleak tulip]

your choice theyre all pretty good now

theyre actually balanced

I would say trauma>purg>surge but thats partially subjective

there is no bad staves anymore

[ebon jolt]

Trama needs the right blessings. But once you get them it’s great.

Surge is good but builds up peril so fast I feel like I’m quelling all the time 😩

[spice oar]

Yall im bored anybody got an interesting build to try out?

[reef nacelle]

does surge proc peril?

i thought the 2nd hit is free

[ebon jolt]

The surge staff. Not the blessing. I should have clarified.

[ebon jolt]

Brain rupture and melee only with venting shriek and warp siphon. 😁

[mossy sundial]

Assail assail and more assail 😇

[ebon jolt]

I did this with my Purg build and didn’t use my staff the whole time and it was surprisingly viable. Note I was playing non-auric damnation.

[tight birch]

Does anyone think any of the voidstrike builds are particularly better than the others? Right now I'm using this one and feel pretty satisfied since the staff does so much of the work, but wondering if there's something better I should be using for Damnation / Auric level https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a4f1ef9-0626-4f70-8164-10953e8d7c62/mk-iv-dueling-sword-voidstrike

[plucky flax]

I think trauma better than current void.

[tight birch]

Void is easy to use which is nice

Point and destroy

[summer prairie]

I'd drop warp battery, kinetic flayer, empathic evasion, wildfire and grabbing kinetic deflection + true aim

[spice oar]

Might swap that out for gaze and fuck about

Wish we had a blunt weapon

[ebon jolt]

If you’re using gaze I would suggest swapping from WS to EP for the free BR casts.

[tight birch]

That might be good, feels like soulblaze doesn't do a whole lot. I was mostly wondering if I should pair assail with voidstrike or if I should just let the staff do its thing

[neon steppe]

For first level swap left node to get over and grab the quell peril on kill, brain burst swap flayer for charge time on ability, middle I do bonus damage instead of cdr, instead of warp charges I do empowered but that one is more up to you

[ebon jolt]

I find wildfire underwhelming but perilous combustion is really good.

Voidstrike is good enough you can use it with pretty much everything in the tree but gaze. Mostly user preference.

[summer prairie]

every build is better with assail right now, but then it just becomes an assail build

[spice oar]

Yeah smart

[tight birch]

I haven't actually used assail (just started playing again), can you just tap it to throw daggers or do you need to "equip" it like brain burst

[plucky flax]

That's true. Trauma is kinda finnickey.