psyker-class

[spice veldt]

but purg is not a "garbage" weapon

[plucky flax]

Surge is better.

[umbral jetty]

surge doesnt let you play upfront

[cold oasis]

Oh cool, you hope your team kills them then

[viscid matrix]

Void is overtuned, so morons compare other staves to it and consider them shit in comparison

[umbral jetty]

purg lets you be a frontliner

[cyan notch]

no you use your grenade button lol

[plucky flax]

If you build it correctly yes.

[hushed idol]

yeah but why not use your grenade option in the first place, saves you peril

[umbral jetty]

I feel its more... surge doesnt encourage you to play upfront.

[obtuse moth]

don't need ad hominem for a good argument

[sour bison]

Welp its worse at its role than both staffs with aoe capability, and it kida makes it shit

[umbral jetty]

purgatus encourages you to be flanking, pushing ahead

[spice veldt]

i mean either way, purg does have a place in a build and does its job well enough

[umbral jetty]

some maps are awful for purg though, and it feels bad

[spice veldt]

#psyker-class message

[plucky flax]

You need venting shriek spam build.

[summer prairie]

you also may not know, but you want to flail wildly with purg as it can only apply the dot every x second per target, so the more targets you hit within that time frame, the better. It's a bit painful though

[umbral jetty]

Yeah, it pidgeonholes you.

[bleak tulip]

dont compare shit to void rn, thats a fools errand

we all know its overtuned

[umbral jetty]

but its nice, some of the breakpoints you can hit with adding just a couple extra burn stacks from venting shriek

[cold oasis]

Nah man, Purgatus strong. You just gotta believe that your team is excellent, there are no ranged mobs, there are no melee mobs and you can just waltz through the map

[spice veldt]

I'd consider purg to be equal to trauma (in non-melee maelstrom), especially with the existence of assail since you don't care about ranged encounters anymore

[hushed idol]

all balance / tier lists are made in comparison to other things that accomplish the same goal. you can't judge things in a vacuum.

[cyan notch]

cuz purg handles hordes better than ur grenade

[plucky flax]

You're wrong.

[spice veldt]

assail/duelling sword

[spice veldt]

no

[hushed idol]

depending on your blitz choice. assail psykers just left click everything

[plucky flax]

[umbral jetty]

I'd say I'd prefer trauma over purg because then I could run a different melee than feeling stuck with force sword

[spice veldt]

🔫

[umbral jetty]

but I also wouldnt build trauma for fire

[sour bison]

So its great on difficulty 1

[cold oasis]

Fuck me, are we really going again with "just use non purgatus stuff, that make the purgatus good" spiel again?

[cold oasis]

How dare you!

[cyan notch]

thats more of a one absolutely busted thing overshadowing other options than one thing being bad

[spice veldt]

well what's wrong with what I've said? The weapon has its weaknesses, and you can compensate it with your other options

the same could be said for other weapons

[spice oar]

I run purge with an axe tbh (don't know which one from the 20 we have)

[plucky flax]

So much gate keeping in my psyker chat is this zealot chat 2.0?

[spice veldt]

but I don't know why you are particularly biased against the purg in general

[sour bison]

I have very good purgatus and it feels like shit to play with

[bleak tulip]

zealot chat doesnt even talk about the game tho

[hushed idol]

the same could not be said for a considerable amount of psyker options tho

[cold oasis]

say hi to your staff brother

[hushed idol]

i mean, is purgatas fun, hell yes. is it the best option or "high tier"? no

[cyan notch]

subjective

[cold oasis]

^^^^^^^^^

[cyan notch]

i can say yes

[spice veldt]

it's not a garbage weapon though

[umbral jetty]

does warp damage increases impact soulblaze damage?

[bleak tulip]

okay but nobody said it was the best option like ever?

[summer prairie]

It's good tier

[spice veldt]

ye, soulblaze counts as a warp attack

I don't disagree that purg isn't the best option

[sour bison]

you are high on copium

[hushed idol]

i mean how many staves are

there

[spice veldt]

I'd rather run trauma/vstrike over it

[summer prairie]

Yeah I don't know what I'm talking about

[cyan notch]

fuckin noob

[spice oar]

I've stopped caring about weapon tier lists a long time ago so I can have fun with shit like chaxe

[spice veldt]

😔

[bleak tulip]

some of you fuckin guys I swear

[cold oasis]

Fuck me, let's not start on the chain axe or i'll ramble even more

[plucky flax]

Surge best staff for hard mode.

[hushed idol]

i've seen trauma/surge/void people say it's better than purg, so while it may not be "garbage", it's definitely a weaker choice

[cold oasis]

The most, by far, excessively garbage weapon in the enteir game

[cyan notch]

sure if u think so

[spice oar]

Chaxe IS fun tho, atleast imo

[spice veldt]

when the knife exists?

[wet belfry]

No arci

[cold oasis]

Really? Are you trying to compare a 1second animation on left click to knife?

[spice oar]

Knife is bad?

[cold oasis]

Are you? Really?

[wet belfry]

What have you done?

[bleak tulip]

is this guy always like this

[spice veldt]

i've read zealot chat 😎

[cyan notch]

erm? really guy? actually? omg? no way bro? you said that?

[wet belfry]

Smh just hit all the weak spots.

[terse rivet]

Nobody gonna mention that purg staff has the passive effect that makes your teammates not be able to see shit ever

[spice veldt]

somehow not as worse as you claiming purg to be the most garbage weapon by far

[wet belfry]

Facking noob lol.

[cold oasis]

Of staves? Oh 110%

[hushed idol]

guys... is this guy really like this?? jeez. using discord chat, in such a... lame way. UGH. this chat should be reserved for people who think like me. if you disagree, you come across as an ignorant idiot. you should think like me. because i'm smart and better than you.

[umbral jetty]

i have work i need to do but going to do a game instead.. ugh

[spice veldt]

if you agree to that much, then I'm fine with that

[terse rivet]

I’m just gonna say it

[hushed idol]

i think the point was it's a garbage staff not worst weapon in game

[terse rivet]

Ogryn chat doesn’t argue like this

I said if

[cyan notch]

its not garbage though

[terse rivet]

It*

[spice veldt]

I wouldn't consider it garbage

[umbral jetty]

I think the biggest issue with purgatus is that feeling when you are in a situation where it doesnt help..

and you know you gimped yourself

[cyan notch]

why does it have to be extremely trash or god tier why cant we have some modicum of granularity

[bleak tulip]

thats because ogryn's are the best of us and we're not, we cant all be as based as ogryn players

[cold oasis]

The problem with Purgatus is that for 90% of the match, you're at the mercy of your team

[hushed idol]

well of course. psykers are loud and whiny and mean. ogryns happy because thing go boom

[umbral jetty]

I disagree with that sentiment

[summer prairie]

you can solo everything with purg

[cold oasis]

Yeah sure, during hordes it's good, but any weapon is good during that

[summer prairie]

and melee

[plucky flax]

I've clutched with purga before. Seems okay.

[umbral jetty]

you are at the mercy of the map

[spice veldt]

I also don't get why hordeclear is the focus of the purg

[cold oasis]

But when 5+ specialist come out of nowhere, there's a horde and a boss

[cyan notch]

you have melee and blitz what is the issue

[spice veldt]

it has infinite cleave and will deal fine with human-sized elite packs

[hushed idol]

also ogryn is like, THE clutch pick you can make in this game. nobody gets mad at ogryns

[cold oasis]

You're there just hoping that stuff dies with dots before they have a chance to attack you or your team

[umbral jetty]

real question. what do people like on their deimos?

for blessings/perks

I saw one with executor 4, and I dont remember seeing that one

[spice veldt]

we don't have to hope, because the LMB also has deterministic stagger on all of the human-sized enemies

[cold oasis]

Slaughter, whatever else

[hexed geyser]

I've seen deflector

[cold oasis]

Shit man, at that point just use Smite

[spice veldt]

well yeah

you could use for another build

but purg does fit for another build as well, and it's not "garbage" at that

why bring up a "why use X when you could use Y" when you could just run whatever and both will be fine and not garbage

and purg has more killing power with respect to the tougher enemies

you get some, you lose some

it is what it is

[umbral jetty]

oh sorry, the blessing i was curious about waht superiority

[hexed geyser]

Because it feels great to hard carry and clutch for the team and some weapon just cant do it all. But yeah i started to play whatever too in the last week

[hushed idol]

man this shit is so funny

i clicked ogryn chat just to see what they were up to

"All ogryns are perfect."

ogryns walking together gif

[hexed geyser]

Even when i'm playing zealot u come here because there's no way i get the info i want in zealot chat

[cyan notch]

activation conditions and uptime too low imo

[bleak tulip]

zealot is just degen general chat

[hushed idol]

zealot chat has the mods in it immediately when i click it

[bold flint]

sweatiest clutch of my life

[fossil lagoon]

What is it about the zealot class that attracts anime pfps grooming eachother

[bold flint]

whar

[spice veldt]

it was me barry

[cyan notch]

is that good or bad

[plucky flax]

Purga clutch pre patch and the build got even stronger now. Is it best staff? No. Is it adequate for auric? Yeah it's ez psyker op
https://youtu.be/w1XIuvzyn5s

[hushed idol]

well the mod was telling someone not to start talking about homophobia and racism

[cyan notch]

🤔

[acoustic seal]

37/100 for this penance. Only 63 more elites to go

Then I'm never using Brain Burst again

[umbral jetty]

its not bad with purgatus lol

[cold oasis]

Purga clutch: Preceeds to not use purgatus for anything

[obtuse moth]

there's mods for that fwiw

[plucky flax]

I have more than 1 weapon in my loadout.

[hexed geyser]

Its better than zealot's flamer

[plucky flax]

It's not my fault you refuse to use all your kits.

[bleak tulip]

weapon bad because I cant just use the one weapon to do everything

???

[cold oasis]

No, weapon bad because you could've done the same exact thing with any other staves, and probably better too

[cyan notch]

idk man he was using it

[cold oasis]

That is not "Purgatus is good", that is "that guys is good"

and there's a fucking big difference between the two.

[bleak tulip]

andthe goalposts shift again

[royal granite]

wait, someone thinks purgatus is bad?

[bleak tulip]

yeah

[royal granite]

that's silly

[cyan notch]

if u say you could do the same thing with other staves that means theyre comparable right

so how can something comparable be garbage

unless theyre all garbage

[plucky flax]

[obtuse moth]

interesting camp spot method

[royal granite]

the only times i regret running purgatus is when i run it with smite and i can't quite reach something that's shooting me to death

but that's my own fault

[bold flint]

smite is just a flamer in the blitz slot

[plucky flax]

Its really good to kill all the shooters.

But teammates still died.

[royal granite]

i like smite cc, it just feels bad to run brain burst at the moment

i mean it's always felt bad to run brain burst

it's a bad blitz

[obtuse moth]

i'm sorry the purge staff and chain axe hurt you so much

[bold flint]

if assail didnt exist i'd use brain burst over smite when using purgy

[royal granite]

anyway i run purgatus/BB/shouty skill in aurics and it works fine

usually get the most trash mobs cleared by far and end up a close second on killing specials

[obtuse moth]

specials with bb? dang

or is that mostly from purge

[royal granite]

i mean, unless someone is running assail voidstrike

[ebon jolt]

I had not rolled a good Purgatus until this past weekend. I’ve been playing around with the build and it’s competitive. Brain Rupture is better than I thought it was. Not as good as smite or assail but not terrible. The cooldown time on Shrieking Wrath can be hilariously low.

[ornate hamlet]

Which perk is more reliable on average with Empowered Psionics? Guaranteed Empower on Elite kills or 7.5>12.5% proc chance on kill?

[hexed geyser]

Elites

[obtuse moth]

elite as long as you're playing on missions with enough elites

if you horde clear the other option isnt terrible

[royal granite]

i'm running BB so i can do penances, and yeah if you keep your head on a swivel and don't mark targets before you start bursting them you'll usually get the kill before someone else pops them

[spice veldt]

elites unless you're doing assail main weapon memes

which I do, so I run lodestone

[cyan notch]

why aimbot nuke everything less when you can aimbot nuke everything more

[royal granite]

with crushers and berserkers you mark and start bursting, betting that someone else will do enough damage that you'll get the killing blow

[spice veldt]

don't worry it's just everything except maulers/crushers/monstrosities/mutants

[ornate hamlet]

I have seen "BB" mentioned often. What is that?

[royal granite]

brain burst

old name for uh

the head pop blitz

[spice veldt]

the non-augmented version of Brain Rupture

[royal granite]

rupture yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Of course, thank you.

[spice veldt]

it's the version that you get at lvl 0 with no blitzes taken

[cyan notch]

what exactly is augmented about it

[spice veldt]

+50% damage 😔

[royal granite]

it didn't have an augmented version before the patch so calling it BB or brain burst is a spinal reflex at this point

[ornate hamlet]

Is it worth using? It feels so slow that the target is already dead by the time it goes off.

[cyan notch]

oh right

[charred shuttle]

Remind me please if smite can crit (for triggering crit-based talents)

[royal granite]

only if you want to do penances

[ornate hamlet]

Penances=Achievements?

[royal granite]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Why especially for those?

[spice veldt]

it's a fine weapon, though it ultimately is a "nice weapon that fits a role but eh could be better"

[royal granite]

psyker penances often require warp charges, brain burst or both

[plucky flax]

Daig not arguing anymore I think we're safe for now.

[spice veldt]

die

[acoustic seal]

Which is the pain I'm currently in.

[royal granite]

since they were made before the patch that gave us two more blitzes and made warp charges something you talent into

[ornate hamlet]

What does this icon even mean? I have this go up and down at random.

[quartz barn]

Honestly i run bb cuz it helps against specials in melee. Im always running voidstrike so im either on 80% peril or everything just dies, making smite/assail useless

[modern island]

ok i may be experiencing a bug

[royal granite]

that's the cohesion icon isn't it?

[modern island]

when i have empowered psionics smite uses 0 peril

[spice veldt]

icon for Coherency

[viscid matrix]

Coherency, means allies are nearby

[ornate hamlet]

Oh. 😮

[royal granite]

you want it to say AT LEAST 2

[spice veldt]

it's relevant, since the # of allies you're in Coherency with is related to the amount of toughness regen you get from coherency

you get 50%/75%/100% coherency regen if there is 1/2/3 other teammates in coherency with you

[ornate hamlet]

The icon colour made it look like something Psyker native.

[spice veldt]

among other benefits

[royal granite]

aura range is also usually the same as coherency range

[spice veldt]

can't believe they took our blue

can't have shit in tertium

[royal granite]

lmao

[spice veldt]

the lack of a glossary doesn't help either

[royal granite]

yeah that shit's infuriating

[spice veldt]

simply intuit what the icons mean

[royal granite]

darktide has had dogwater UI since it came out

[cyan notch]

isnt your coherency icon something insane how do u even know its blue

[spice veldt]

I am on hopium for a UI rework

because the psyker had a cooler UI in the closed beta

[royal granite]

they already did one UI rework and it fuckin removed item descriptions lol

[spice veldt]

and there has to be no way that they're throwing that away, righttttt? 🥺

[modern island]

when empowered psionics is enabled is smite still meant to increase peril

because its not doin it

[royal granite]

yeah it's broken right now

[cyan notch]

what u mean the explodometer

[royal granite]

you get infinite smite as soon as you have one empowered stack

[cyan notch]

i think that was kinda goofy

[royal granite]

have fun, go nuts, please don't be one of those people who smites my graphics card every time a horde shows up

[sour bison]

Working just as its written

[carmine agate]

[royal granite]

the worst thing in the world is assail psykers who "main" it and crumple like a soggy tissue the second the game spawns crushers at D5

the SECOND worst thing is the infinite smite psykers who slowly stroll around the map constantly in the smite animation

[cyan notch]

power fantasy moment

cant blame em

fatsharks fault

[royal granite]

they are channeling my frames to obliterate the enemy and i don't like it

[sour bison]

Im just yelling "unlimited power!" While im blasting the whole screen

[left mirage]

i hate how smite cooks my frames so i just save it for the oh shit moments

[spice veldt]

psykers dying to crushers when the duelling swords exist 😔

[left mirage]

like when i see a hound on someone and 3 crushers are about to send him to the shadow realm

[sour bison]

Skill issue

[royal granite]

meanwhile i have to go blair witch in the corner so my gpu doesn't turn my bedroom into a sauna

[left mirage]

true

[carmine agate]

I go skill tree less because blitz sucks

[spice veldt]

(i would never ever die to crushers of course)

[sour bison]

Skill issue again

[royal granite]

just you wait, once winter rolls around the sauna will give me incredible power

such as a roughly 5 year longer lifespan

and a decreased chance of heart disease

[left mirage]

you could say... unlimited power?

[glad meadow]

what is the best fully automatic autogun for psycher?

[sour bison]

Voidstaff

[royal granite]

voidstrike assail

[sour bison]

[royal granite]

uh

agripinaa infantry auto

[glad meadow]

no

i want a gun

[royal granite]

agripinaa IS a gun

it has a slow rate of fire but rewards accuracy

[glad meadow]

i said that in answer to the staff thing

[spice veldt]

if fully auto, then agri mk1

[glad meadow]

its annoying at this point that i get reccomend that

[spice veldt]

if burst fire, then vraks 3

[glad meadow]

i enjoy the gun reload and feel more than a staff

too bad they sucks but that is not my problem

[royal granite]

guns are fine

[glad meadow]

i want fully auto

it bad for my finger to burst fire

[royal granite]

agripinaa is there for you

[glad meadow]

or single shot high fire rate weapon

[sour bison]

Why not just play vet for gunplay? Why it have to be shizo?

[cyan notch]

theres a mod for that i think

[carmine agate]

I think i used vraks as a gun psyker b4..

[cyan notch]

makes everything full auto

[glad meadow]

what do the different version of fully automatic gun do?

[royal granite]

forge world agripinaa brings you only the best "infantry" automatic

[carmine agate]

But i just gave up and used other classes with guns instead

[spice veldt]

cuz y not

psyker gets some other stuff that vets don't and vice versa

[royal granite]

rate of fire vs damage per bullet

[sour bison]

Like having shit toolkit for guns

[spice veldt]

having a stam regen delay that isn't peepee poopoo (without picking certain nodes) is a good start

[sour bison]

[royal granite]

who is stamina? i have never seen this man

[idle bay]

I'm used to always run with at least one Stamina curio..

[modern island]

ok nvm i got empoweres psionics on assail and i get the hype now

shits broken

[viscid matrix]

Asssil needs its ammo reduced to 3 or ammo regen cut to a quarter

[charred shuttle]

God tier roll on a duelling sword

How do I even hit 3 enemies with it?

[viscid matrix]

Push

[charred shuttle]

Oooooooh

Noice

[sour bison]

Its too much

Assail is not even that good

[spice veldt]

rampage also gives ~2x damage instead of the 1.36x that you expect from the power (it gives 1.36x power btw, not damage), so enjoy that while it lasts

[spice veldt]

is this a "not that good because there are other OP stuff" statement again or in general

[sour bison]

And ogrin

[modern island]

we are stuck

[sour bison]

Assail needs to be turn down a bit

Not to oblivion

[spice veldt]

3 shards seems fine to me

[viscid matrix]

….. you can use it as a main weapon, kill all the non armoured enemies without even trying hard

You never run out of ammo unless you ammo dump and waste it
And you can swap to a revolver with hand cannon for free Rend on assail

[sour bison]

Why do you hate having fun?

[spice veldt]

10 shards is an insane amount to burst through

and if you want to make the most of it, there's the stagger and 3-target limit of it

it's already an auto-aim weapon with no loss in effectiveness due to range (up to a certain point)

[sour bison]

Noone will use assail with 3 charges

Lmao

[spice veldt]

there's not much fun to be had in a weapon that could be used as an auto-aim weapon

[carmine agate]

Just make assail controlled by mic whistling

If u fail at whistling u miss

[spice veldt]

3 charges could be too low, but that's the number that I'm using for now

[carmine agate]

[spice veldt]

not like I'll know how it plays without playing it, but it does deserve a heavy nerf to its ammo economy

it has the good properties of a quickswap weapon (actionable after 0.19s of swapping to it) but also the properties of a weapon to be spammed

[sour bison]

Its good only for horse clear

[viscid matrix]

So you think it’s fair that everything else has to collect grenades or wait 60 seconds for ammo
Or psyker blitz you have long cast time bb or low dmg smite

[spice veldt]

the ability to use assail in conjunction with other weapons is quite good

[spice veldt]

not really

it's armour damage modifiers are quite good

and it has a target limit instead of a cleave limit

so it doesn't fall off as hard as other weapons might

[sour bison]

U cant kill maulers/crushers/reapers at all

[viscid matrix]

You can do 400 with a crit on carapace, cause it ignores the armour when it happens

[spice veldt]

too bad we don't have other weapons to fill in that gap

[carmine agate]

Man then why do i keep failing auric mael with all these assail psykers

[sour bison]

[sour bison]

Coz assail is too good

[viscid matrix]

Because they suck at it

[spice veldt]

my analogy would be that it's psyker's autopistol

[sour bison]

Didnt you hear?

Takes zero skill and kills everything

[viscid matrix]

A blitz should not be better than all weapons you have access to while leveling

[spice veldt]

the other strengths of Assail, besides being able to be spammed, shouldn't be neglected when balancing it

[viscid matrix]

Shit players are still dead weight, even with perfect gear

[lunar hollow]

because it carries you through lower difficulties, which is where most of the complaints are generated

a good majority of the complaints about assail are malice players whining

[sour bison]

Assail is not that good to get 70% nerf

[obtuse moth]

meh, thats fine, but it should be worse than fully upgraded weapon builds

[sour bison]

Snap back to reality pls

[dense bramble]

Give yourself space with melee push and then assail or use assail to soften up groups before going in with the staff. It feels good to combo the 3 together.

[spice veldt]

if you consider it by just its ability to be spammed, but it has other good properties even with a worse ammo economy

[summer prairie]

it's better than everything else, including other classes

[obtuse moth]

often skills and cooldowns are better than starter gear

[obtuse moth]

brainburst was how i leveled my second psyker on high difficulty missions before i had actual weapons

[spice veldt]

in particular, it has good synergy with a certain toughness generation feat

[dense bramble]

Assail with 2xperil per shard and 5 total would actually still be awesome

[viscid matrix]

There is nothing you have access to during leveling that can compete with assail

[spice veldt]

I wouldn't mess with the peril

since I don't want to mess with its usage if you're bringing a force staff

I'd make its primary limitation its charges

[royal granite]

my main complaint about assail psykers is that they keep running dick first into danger in aurics and getting folded like a delicate paper crane the second they encounter resistance

[umbral jetty]

voidstrike is fun. dissapointed that boss damage doesnt show, we got a few

[sour bison]

Psyker finaly is not weakeast class (not even strongest lol) and you crying for nerf

Are u ok?

[lunar hollow]

the other 2 blitzes seem to build peril like a motherfucker, it would be nice to have a blitz option that doesn't

[viscid matrix]

3 charges with current ammo regen means it’s back to 3 within 45 seconds

[royal granite]

i didn't even know assail was a problem in lower difficulties until i saw people on the forums complaining about it lol

[spice veldt]

well what's wrong with that

we've had our fun, and there's no point in op stuff sticking around

[dense bramble]

assail is really fun and cool but its such a crutch

[obtuse moth]

psyker has been not weakest for a long while, its basically only been buffed

[umbral jetty]

assail as it exists is bad for the game

[summer prairie]

psyker is definitely the strongest class

[spice veldt]

I only talk about psyker because I play psyker, but I would talk about other classes if I played them

[lunar hollow]

theres a lot of stuff thats gonna be changing

[viscid matrix]

It’s fun for the psyker, it’s not fun for the other players

[summer prairie]

at least in terms of dps potential

[carmine agate]

I hope the nerf focus is assail. So i can keep the truly broken thing called voidstrike

[obtuse moth]

i find ogryns strongest class atm

[carmine agate]

[umbral jetty]

theres no reason that assail should have as much uptime as it does

[royal granite]

i play every class, ogryn the least, psyker the most, assail is a problem and so is voidstrike

[lunar hollow]

ogryn is so ridiculous if you put any amount of thought into your setup and hardly anyone seems to realize it

its bizarre

[sour bison]

[carmine agate]

Rumbler is godlike

[spice veldt]

not as many ogryn players prolly

[potent echo]

Slap rumbler and take glugger

[modern island]

i dont understand this controversy, i understand that there needs to be balance but this is pve game surely assail being so strong isnt that bad of a thing no

[dense bramble]

Thats what I mean. It really shines when stealing kills. Reducing the shards would help

[viscid matrix]

Because majority of players are veterans and zealots

[lunar hollow]

gunlugger ogryn can achieve heights that old vet would fucking DREAM of

[spice veldt]

and prob psyker being very flashy

[carmine agate]

I played with 2 rumbler ogryn

[potent echo]

Or just take shield with breed

[carmine agate]

And i did not need to do anything at all

[lunar hollow]

god bless them bugging flame round application so rippers are even more cracked than they already were

[dense bramble]

Ive seen 1 person beat psykers in damage and he was just a super good ogryn player

Psykers are prob strongest class atm IMO

[potent echo]

Use a ripper

[viscid matrix]

Have you played with a good player using assail, you end up just following along until a monstrosity shows up

[summer prairie]

I've yet to see anyone beat psyker damage in quickplay regardless of which staff I bring

[sour bison]

Also i want smite rework

[summer prairie]

or blitz

[modern island]

yeah sure, thanks for the carry

[sour bison]

Smite should smite

[carmine agate]

The best part is i follow a rumbler ogryn around. Even when monstrosities appear

[dense bramble]

Smite is the CC and Surge is the single target. Why?

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/8m5o4g fair and BALANCED

[viscid matrix]

Smite is a cc tool, not damage, it does its job very well
It can lock down a room easily

[sour bison]

I know that, thanks

[obtuse moth]

so the weapon can do damage and people can pick smite for utility on any build?

[sour bison]

And ability called "smite" should do something else

[lunar hollow]

presumably they wanted to move CC tools to mostly be blitz

[sour bison]

Dont you think?

[spice veldt]

a better damage focus on the LMB would be nice

[lunar hollow]

so you couldnt sacrifice a weapon slot for pure CC

[obtuse moth]

i mean the tooltip isnt very accurate either

[sour bison]

Yes

[lunar hollow]

which is a good change i think, smite should be a tool available to anyone for on-demand crowd control instead of having to opt into grinding a staff for it

[spice veldt]

make it a quickswap as well

[viscid matrix]

That’s FS being FS

[spice veldt]

or leaning into the stagger

[obtuse moth]

it should probably stun faster too

[cunning yew]

I like it when all other class chats are normally conversing about builds, etc. but then I look at psyker chat and every single time I see assail rant

[spice veldt]

at the very least, I want the LMB to guardbreak a bulwark without taking 10 years

[obtuse moth]

silly that you can touch a mutants nose when it stops

[lunar hollow]

its the new autopistol vet

u love it or u hate it

[modest trellis]

hmm very interesting what could possibly be the reason for that

[carmine agate]

Reminds me of ol vet chat

[umbral jetty]

autopistol vet didnt invalidate the lower difficulties though. and its a primary weapon

[glad meadow]

wow

[obtuse moth]

its like power cycler all over again

[spice veldt]

it gets the most haters and defenders 😔

[glad meadow]

i died 3 times as a gun psyker

[sour bison]

But havent you seen assail?

[cyan notch]

vet chat lol

[cunning yew]

Drug use

[glad meadow]

and yet the mission still run so smoothly

[dense bramble]

Noone wants to be dragged along like a mascot yknow. If one thing is super dominant along with being easy to use it just makes a lot of players irrelevant.

[glad meadow]

when i do so as a zealot we basically lose lol

[sour bison]

You got carried as every time mission goes smoothly with gun psyker

[glad meadow]

i will do plenty more to see

[dense bramble]

I feel bad for the vets who get to watch as psykers CC, elite snipe and boss kill.

[royal granite]

the "it's a team based game, it's fine if something is overpowered" argument makes me feral, yeah it's team based, but it's not fun if only one person gets to play

[carmine agate]

Funnily enough the only time i felt carried truly in auric mael was by ogryns not psykers yet

[royal granite]

yeah assail falls off at higher difficulties

[glad meadow]

damnation feel like it is easier than heresy, maybe it cus the people on damnation know what the hell they are doing

[dense bramble]

Ogryn bodyguards carrying you is always a thing though

[royal granite]

it's still a bit too good at auric but it's not completely insane

[near wyvern]

Not really when you take empowered assail

[cyan notch]

its a pve game u should only buff not nerf

[glad meadow]

i feel like there need to be like an advertisement on orgyn ability to rev without getting stunned as easily as others

they need tootips on the loading screen

[obtuse moth]

its fine if something is overpowered as long as everyone is equally overpowered in some way

[sour bison]

Yes buff everyone so auric would be easy

[dense bramble]

Nah man if you play it right with warp charges or empowered psionics you do more damage than a meta void staff

[carmine agate]

The good old drop a rumbler shot on ur feet and revive

[glad meadow]

i had to tell people that three or four times already

weirdly even though it called a gun psycher

[carmine agate]

Even if there are crushers its still ok

[obtuse moth]

it works fine on auric maelstrom

[glad meadow]

i mostly use my melee

[royal granite]

i think it's still a problem, i just don't think it's as big of a problem. you can play a game with an assail psyker at auric d5 and they won't make you feel like a spectator, even if they dominate every category

[glad meadow]

it seem melee buff you get is better

[viscid matrix]

Only against non armoured targets, void can 1shot crushers and maulers

[carmine agate]

Watching void delete giant armored waves in a few shots..

[royal granite]

void + assail is a problem though

[obtuse moth]

its always funny when i accidentally oneshot a crusher with void

[spice veldt]

or if the enemies are reasonably clumped up

[dense bramble]

What I see the best psyker carries do is use assail on everything but them and then void hard targets. Assail was their biggest killer by far

[obtuse moth]

it was like whoops its gone

[near wyvern]

They just need to remove the double target cap from empower and increase the time it takes to regen shards so that you can't just spam them all day

[viscid matrix]

There is a reason I play surge staff, smite and DD

[spice veldt]

since assail's aim assist advantage is gone at that point

[near wyvern]

DD so bad tho

[dense bramble]

DD?

[near wyvern]

Disrupt Destiny

[carmine agate]

Destiny

[dense bramble]

Yuck

[royal granite]

dimmadome

[dense bramble]

Its too inconsistent to be worth taking

[royal granite]

https://youtu.be/SBxpeuxUiOA

[obtuse moth]

i think removing that from empower kind of partially defeats the point of empowered psionics as a talent, better to do a more general nerf to assail. its problematic without EP too

[viscid matrix]

Yeh but everything else is bugged 😉 in some way

Dd just has bad marking

[carmine agate]

I say all these when i use purg staff still because blue fire fwoosh

[glad meadow]

the random target abilities are always bad in horde game

i wish they had a different implementation

i hate it in Diablo 4 too

with the rogue

[viscid matrix]

D4 is shit game tho

[dense bramble]

How do you make it work? I can never keep high enough stacks to beat warp charges

[sour bison]

I loke dd with voidstrike build

[viscid matrix]

I use the 30s duration talent, cause keeping 30 stacks is not possible

Getting it yes, maintaining it, not so much

[sour bison]

Dd is ok on auric

[near wyvern]

Nah, the damage is fine, it's the amount of shards you can throw on the long line. To me it seems assail is intended to destroy patrol packs with soft elites and that can be done with 10 shards and current damage at Damnation pretty well. There is no need to have them hit 6 targets per shards or have them available all the time. It's supposed to be a burst weapon after all.

[sour bison]

Coz number of targets is vey high

[spice veldt]

loot goblins must abandon all hope with DD

[dense bramble]

so youre stuck with 9%less damage than charges with no peril reduction. It doesnt make sense to me

[spice veldt]

is very sad

[spice veldt]

the crit/weakspot bonus isn't to be ignored

[sour bison]

Mb make them regenerate on kills with other weapons and keep 10 charges

I would like that

[spice veldt]

on the mk4 duellie, a crit will one-shot a mauler with enough DD stacks

[viscid matrix]

20% chance to quell on mark kill helps

[spice veldt]

which is very funny (when I actually have enough stacks)

[velvet hull]

what is the best force sword to use?

[viscid matrix]

Depends on what you want to do
Single target, horde killing, frontline defense

[obtuse moth]

you dont need EP for assail to be considered overtuned is my point, so nerfing EP won't fix it

[velvet hull]

Single target mostly

big stuff especially

[near wyvern]

Or just increase the time to regen a shard or make them refund all shards after X seconds of not using a shard. You just make kills with other weapons while you don't have shards but you don't get completely dried out if you don't want to race for last hits. It's not DOTA.

[royal granite]

EP is really weirdly implemented

[viscid matrix]

Okay then the Deimos is what you want for force swords
It’s single target and does decent damage

[spice veldt]

there's also on-kill stuff with Empowered Psionics anyways

[dense bramble]

Deimos or ilisi. Deimos has sick stabs but ilisi can do power attacks without getting locked in

[viscid matrix]

Illisi is the horde clear weapon, it has wide swings for its heavy instead of a overhead slash and stabs that the deimos has

[dense bramble]

Deimos has very powerful stabs. light to heavy combo is brutal

[near wyvern]

Don't underestimate Deimos just because it has a bad special. Uncanny Unstable Deimos is a beast in this patch. The H2 can one shot mutants, the L1H2 combo kills crushers with two rotations and the special still has some rare uses:

https://streamable.com/4zlwim

[viscid matrix]

Yeh it’s weird that the H1 and L1 do the same damage on deimos

[velvet hull]

it does?

[near wyvern]

Never ever use H1 with Deimos.

It's just bad

[dense bramble]

The stab? You never kill crushers with it?

[spice veldt]

stab is the h2

l1 deals 2x damage

[near wyvern]

H1 is not the stab

[dense bramble]

mb

[viscid matrix]

H1 is just L1 but needs to charge up

[dense bramble]

oh ok so I meant l1 to h2

[viscid matrix]

Yep

[royal granite]

it's easier to land headshots on muties with h1 on deimos

[near wyvern]

L1H2 is the way to go yes

[viscid matrix]

That reminds me, I have to get back to trying to craft a better deflector force sword for making it a block weapon

[velvet hull]

what is best blessings and such for a demios???

[dense bramble]

+80% block efficiency is fun with deflector

[viscid matrix]

Uncanny strike, unstable power

[near wyvern]

Uncanny Strike + Unstable Power with +maniac and +unyielding

[royal granite]

personally i just run deflector and quell on headshots

[slate sun]

I know you guys will probably laugh... but has anyone tried out chainswords post patch?
I'm having so much fun with this I'm not even sure if I'll go back to Illisi ...
and it's not even that great 😄

[near wyvern]

If you don't ever want to melee bosses then change +unyielding to whatever you prefer

[dense bramble]

Slaughterer can be very good with deimos because of the stabs. Kills trash mobs easy

[royal granite]

since i mostly use melee defensively, not to actively solve problems

[sour bison]

Using it on my vet. Chainsword is S tear

[cold oasis]

Chainsword is great, we simply have better weapons

[sour bison]

I dont think so honestly

[slate sun]

I'm not so sure ...

[near wyvern]

Deflector works yes but I strongly recommend to get away from it as soon as you can. You have infinite dodges, use them to get to cover and retailaite. That will benefit more your team.

[idle bay]

I noticed that it became really tricky to properly use force Push on Force swords. I keep getting anything else but push.... it's annoying

[sour bison]

Mb dueling swords

But not force weapons for sure

[slate sun]

but dueling swords are single target, this is multi-purpose

and have you guys seen how bleed works now ?

[near wyvern]

Not that great DPS IMO

Bleed

Your best bet to stack it is chain sword so you stun lock yourself with a glass cannon class

So very unsafe for something that a duelling sword or Deimos can match a lot safer

[slate sun]

its just a nice way to finish that 10-15% of enemy hp

used to do almost nothing, now it seems useful

[near wyvern]

The only real reason to run a chainsword is if you want to go fast and pick rev it up with a bunch of stamina curios

While having the ability to cut through mutants and whatnot

Cause we all know knife goes fast but holy F it takes time to stab a mutant

[slate sun]

Hm, I usually went with deimos but I wanted more horde clear, so I switched to illisi

nowadays it just seems to stop on a lot of targets

like it didn't before

the chainsword doesn't stop 😄

[spice veldt]

enemies got some hitmass bumps

[near wyvern]

@slate sun have you tried uncanny slaughterer on Illisi?

[spice veldt]

groamers have 1.25 instead of 0.75, and poxwalkers have 1.5 instead of 1

[slate sun]

not yet

[near wyvern]

Try that

[slate sun]

will do thx 🙂

[steel solstice]

Uncanny strike or slaughter for blessing?

[slate sun]

isn't unstable better than slaughterer nowadays though ?

[dense bramble]

Is it?

[near wyvern]

Also devil's claw with savage swipe and shred is lawnmower and kills soft elites + mutants in two hits

[steel solstice]

my cheap ass never bought good ones from the store and now I regret everything

[near wyvern]

Depends on your build and use case. For Illisi if you go unstable you should go bloodthirsty as well and have high warp resist on that sword. Preferably also battle meditation and Inner Tranq Battery from warp siphon.

[slate sun]

on devil's sword I ran with vicious slice + rampage

[near wyvern]

Always buy all 370+ base weapons from the hourly shop when you see them. They might be trash now but meta next patch.

[steel solstice]

yeah I've learned my lesson xd

[mossy sonnet]

i got a pretty fun one two days ago

[near wyvern]

Blazing spirit is just ass on Deimos

[mossy sonnet]

it was a drop and has been reblessed since

[near wyvern]

Nice

[burnt slate]

Are uncharged void strike useful at all?

im looking at this guy just spam little balls

[obtuse moth]

not literally 0 charge unless you just need a stagger right this instant

[plucky flax]

Super fast right click charge is not too bad for horde clear.

[karmic copper]

It allows fpr very quick 3 stack flurry at least

[blazing trout]

When do you think bubble cdr will be fixed?

Had a game with 3 vets, and it was pretty goofy just moving the bubble forward the whole mission

[queen fog]

probs the same time they’ll deal with the inf smite bug

[acoustic seal]

Now I just need to Peril of the warp save myself 50 times and I have my unlock

[queen fog]

But that’s me being “hopeful”

[blazing trout]

What’s the smite bug do?

[acoustic seal]

Infinite Lightning

[blazing trout]

In what context? Does it not build peril?

[acoustic seal]

None and you can go almost forever.

[blazing trout]

Is it a talent interaction?

[severe folio]

how do you handle carapace armor

[queen fog]

Keystone

EP to be exact

[acoustic seal]

Makes you feel like an absolute sith lord so I wouldn't mind it staying as a Zealot main it makes things nice

[severe folio]

i wouldnt mind it staying either

however, the description of the ability dont mention anything about no peril cost

so its likely leftover code from brainburst and assail

it should at the very least reduce peril cost

[queen fog]

True just lining up hordes/specials galore with stuncity

[west smelt]

Got this as a grey from the shop, what should I change?

[severe folio]

the damage seem offputting

[acoustic seal]

It's very

A blessing you definitely want on VLD and Vlla is definitely the one for headshot damage buff

Also the close range is gonna hurt especially on Vlla.

[west smelt]

This one?

[acoustic seal]

Yeah

Vlla is really good for picking off at range

[glad meadow]

is there a way to make psyker gun or melee kill to count as warp kill?

[dull osprey]

k so good news is

melee syker with mk5 duel sword is perfectly playable on auric

bad news is its pretty eh

[queen fog]

Duel sword go brr, this was to be expected

[ebon jolt]

I don’t think headhunter is required on Psyker on the Vld. True Aim makes the blessing redundant.

It’s still pretty decent on the Vlla though.

[glad meadow]

anyone?

[acoustic seal]

None I know of

Sometimes you can get randomly lucky with the Voidlord but beyond that nothing comes to mind

[ebon jolt]

Force sword special kills are considered warp kills.

[slate sun]

you can rev the sword and aim for gaps, bloodletter also helps, plus I usually just Voidstrike armored enemies

[sleek remnant]

anyone up for helping me try and get warp battery done

[west smelt]

I usually BB ogyrns to let my teammates deal with it easier, if it's just me then 1 BB + heavy thrusts from Mk4 sabre or just try for 2 BBs

[glad meadow]

cool

i wish there are like force gun or something

i think my main problem with gunpsycher is the swapping around to keep my peril up

[steel flame]

Nope.

I run a full crit laspistol scrier build with dueling saber mk4

Along with assail, and if I really want peril I just quick swap between assail and laspistol

Or I press f

[ebon jolt]

A suggestion I posted on the forums a long time ago was to add a mechanic that replaced ammo consumption with peril generation. I think I would have enjoyed that much better than assail. But it’s probably not thematically correct or whatever.

[steel flame]

Sounds like a balancing nightmare

I love assail. Just hope they tone down the ammo so people can quit complaining about it

[idle bay]

They will always find anything to complain about 🙂 Currently - because they was litte b. about Assail - i'm using SMITE hard melting thier FPS 🙂

Make a premade team of 3 Smite psykers. Luacnh a missiom - see how 4th platyer keep quitting

[severe folio]

i see

[silk vigil]

I feel like assail allows for some really lousy game play. On one hand you can’t deny that it’s a strong ability especially when you’re in a pinch. Then on the other hand you’re gonna have an influx of new psyker players that just use it as a crutch.

[idle bay]

Whole Vet class was a crutch since game launched

[severe folio]

let them use it till they got bored of it

[silk vigil]

On higher difficulties you can’t solely use assail because it’s not very good against carapace but you’ll have new players that never switch out with their weapons because on lower levels it shreds everything.

[severe folio]

then switch and experiment

[dull osprey]

u can put infinite bubble with dome+cdr and do 0 peril smite but people: omg assail is op

[silk vigil]

True

[idle bay]

And i;m actually enjoying Smite more than Assail. If only BB also become more.... interesting

[severe folio]

bb should have been

just blowing that single enemy up and knock other nearby down

[idle bay]

Exactly that!

[queen fog]

Yea they tried for sure making it a lil faster with some modifiers but when u compare it to the new junk

[severe folio]

the single hard hitting damage doesnt feel appeal anymore

[queen fog]

It seems lackluster imo

[severe folio]

it just

too

plain looking

if maybe like

they make a different animation

keeping the same idea

then maybe it would be more appealing

maybe like, just fukin crush the whole enemy down as if they got hit by trauma

[steel flame]

BB has too much jank attached to it

Peril jank, targeting jank, damage jank

[ebon jolt]

I’ve always wanted the ability to deal % based damage instead of flat damage. Scaled the same over all difficulties.

[severe folio]

that would be nice

urgh

they couldnt even make a supposed hard hitting single target feels right

[idle bay]

What elites require more than one BB to kill ? Ogryns .. naturally. Who else ?

[steel flame]

Gunners

[edgy ibex]

Brain burst should have been more DoT focused. Head explosion triggers soul blaze area spread, like fire. Assail is single and group, smite is CC

[severe folio]

crusher

[steel flame]

Maulers

Flamers

[vestal fulcrum]

Ragers, most likely

[steel flame]

Ragers

[severe folio]

funny that

[idle bay]

So BB is in absolute bullshit state right now and requires a buff

[severe folio]

brainburst is also on that whole path related to soulfire

[vestal fulcrum]

Ragers can be killed with EP and stacked Warp Rider, though, much like Flamers and Gunners

[edgy ibex]

Yeah but the path is lackluster sadly

[steel flame]

Y'all sound like you just got here the other day

[severe folio]

i just got here the other day

[vestal fulcrum]

Like, how so, besides just not being Assail?

[severe folio]

sad cleave damage

[edgy ibex]

Im talking ab the BB soul fire path right above my comment

[unkempt juniper]

does it actually cleave more than 2 ppl tho?

[severe folio]

i dont think thats what cleave does

oh wait it is

huh

[idle bay]

Assail will get a nerfhammer for sure - so no point of clining to it, and start building up that habbit of using something elese.

[severe folio]

damn

[edgy ibex]

Assail is def overpowered but BB is underpowered

[steel flame]

Or

[severe folio]

well fuk that is a massive mk4 then

[vestal fulcrum]

It doesn’t, it’s fine

[steel flame]

Use it like the quick swap weapon that assail seems to be designed as

[vestal fulcrum]

I see, but not necessarily agree with the sentiment

[edgy ibex]

Even smite CC is a quick swap BB just can be outpaced

[idle bay]

It's boring AF since we was using it since early early access.

[slate sun]

it's also quite slow and it doesn't do enough damage

assail can obliterate 5-8 shotgunners instantly, right as you enter the room

[idle bay]

It should at least have a knockdown effect on Muties and Crushers and Bullwarks . Imagine - running Mutant, pop, and he falls down and keeps sliding in same direction until hit the wall 🙂

[strong gulch]

Guns can't do warp attacks.

Force sword specials are warp and build peril. There's also shred + blazing spirit on force swords that can spread a bunch of soublaze; but that's a meme and doesn't build peril.

Scrier's Gaze is an ability that builds peril and gives you buffs. No warp needed.

[edgy ibex]

This is my issue. BB is major peril commit, damage can be outpaced, and has no major boon like assail damage or smite CC/stun

That’s why I said an area DOT or even target dot would be nice. Something individual that merits the cost

[severe folio]

can try kill enemies with the push attack from laspistol

lol

its warp based

[idle bay]

Build in Soulfire for surrounding targets by default , or node that add more than 4 lousy soulfire stacks

[edgy ibex]

Then you give up other buffs from mid and right tree for the soul

[idle bay]

That's the point of builds 🙂

Give up one stuff for another

[edgy ibex]

Im saying you have to compensate so much that its not worth it, literally my point from the first comment you replied to

[idle bay]

Some more crazySoulfire specialization would be nice

[west smelt]

Replaced the old blessing with Headhunter 3, how's it?

Also running this build circling on gunsyker

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a5c5bbf-7cf7-4cd0-8fa1-7afbe625531b/reddit-request?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[edgy ibex]

I give up all the good shit for soul fire when I could just smite CC for even better build

Still get area damage AND knockdown CC

[severe folio]

represent the old psyker quite faithfully

[idle bay]

I miss old BB when you can easily build up bonus damage/power stacks turning your BB into on shot for all but ogryn enemies.....

[edgy ibex]

That actually makes sense

And individualizes it

Seems especially strong without a decent cap tho

[idle bay]

And that +25% damage for team on BBed target

[strong gulch]

I forgot that laspistol has a warp push. Can't kill things, but it can build peril without swapping.

[idle bay]

Stealing that feat from us is a crime!

[edgy ibex]

As BB is currently I won’t use it tbh. Soulfire build for it sacrifices shit just to make BB actually decent

[idle bay]

Bb should be at least our boss damage option, besides dirty tricks wth Deimos

[edgy ibex]

On bosses its crazy but I could just crit staff spam

Rival the DPS easily

Yeah I do run it for boss specific missions with a force staff and you basically go easy mode

[idle bay]

I'm more Illsi fan...

[edgy ibex]

Infinite toughness generation with crazy dam

I fw force swords a decent amount but I find myself cutting anything down before it gets close enough to warrant carrying one over a one hander for quick clear (except for a target mission)

[idle bay]

I'm holding to Illsi also because of Deflector.... i do love brief uses of it it tight situations 🙂

[glad meadow]

yeah, yeah i think i like the gun psycher

wonder how different that feel to a vet since i never play one

but it feel like... multiclassing in a way

i think most people would use an heavy laspistol over my head hunter autogun though

[ebon jolt]

BB still needs help but isn’t as bad as I thought it was. Mostly okay because it can generate warp charges pretty decently, venting shriek can have a really low cooldown which clears waves with creeping flame and upkeeps the buff on BB casts.

[hallow needle]

i have just encountered the impossible: a zealot psyker. dude just ran ahead of everyone and then started complaining and being super pissy cuz people liked killing hordes and bothered with collecting plasteel lol

[glad meadow]

do you think the flame need a buff?

they kill horde kinda slow compare to other dot

[hallow needle]

maybe a slight dot dmg buff

its easier to spread than other dot

but it does feel weaker with the new class system

[glad meadow]

btw, i am really liking the autogun right now

are there any good sniping sort of gun for psycher on the lasgun side?

[hallow needle]

gun psyker

https://tenor.com/view/ew-no-michael-scott-steve-carrell-gif-14491970

[glad meadow]

i really enjoy it

mostly cus the gun feel great to reload and shoot compare to a staff

[hallow needle]

i just like setting the world and everyones gpu on fire

[west smelt]

My revolver is really funny with the 16% blessing + 10% reload speed perk

[glad meadow]

running with

[hallow needle]

my revolver on my veteran is funny

i think i have like near guaranteed crits

[glad meadow]

any good sniping gun on the lasgun side?

[hallow needle]

and it isnt even perfected yet

[west smelt]

Mk 12

[glad meadow]

btw i just have have scrier up constantly

[hallow needle]

i just dont like the "after a melee kill" on the reload

[glad meadow]

idk why but it just recharge stupid fast

[west smelt]

I only use it during hordes

[glad meadow]

i use it all the time

the peril is good for the toughness though i need to be kinda letting it vent if it run too long before i can use BB

i always have it on cool down if i could

[west smelt]

I mildly rely on BB for ogryns and trappers/dogs/ragers

[glad meadow]

generally though that kinda expected around 11 stack or so

[west smelt]

Everything else gets blammed

[glad meadow]

i bb just fine with scrier active, you just cant be gunho about it i think

[austere gust]

That worth the milk-money?

[glad meadow]

dunno if scrier bonus work for BB

it doesn't feel like i kill them any faster

[steel flame]

Scrier is crit chance

And speed

Not flat damage

Also I don't think bb can crit

Don't quote me on that

[lyric burrow]

BB cannot crit

[glad meadow]

wait why do some people have scope on their weapon?

[lyric burrow]

im like 99.9% sure

[strong gulch]

I hear people like the Kantrael MG XII Infantry Lasgun.

[glad meadow]

ok ok

my zealot use a klan shotgun, time for me to try a klan weapon

[lyric burrow]

assuming your sticking to psyker probably just mk12 lasgun

[ebon jolt]

BB can’t crit but it does auto weakspot damage so it should be affected by finesse. As well as the damage buff from gaze.

[glad meadow]

i seem to kill stuff in the same amount of BB

so i dunno if it get affected or not

[ebon jolt]

MK VII headhunter autogun is pretty good with surgical and deadly accurate.

[glad meadow]

MK VII las?

[ebon jolt]

Mk III autogun is great too.

[strong gulch]

I have not used the re-worked BB but it has such a high peril cost. With Gaze already building peril and ending at 100% peril, seems like anti-synergy there to BB while Gaze is up.

[ebon jolt]

Sorry. Headhunter auto.

[glad meadow]

i mostly use it to snipe while Gaze is building peril

i don't actually intend to bait 30 stack, but it is good if that ever happen

higher peril give me damage anyway, and 15 stack is enough of a damage buff when i got it almost constantly

unless it make the crusher die in one shot i don't need it higher

[ebon jolt]

Do you use it with the EP or DD keystone?

With EP it wouldn’t generate peril so I could see it being useful 🤔

[wicked walrus]

jfc they overtuned melee-only maelstrom. my hands are numb

[lyric burrow]

its a pretty insane modifier now

[queen fog]

Sniper jumpscare

[strong gulch]

If it's with EP, then that makes more sense.

[gentle rose]

is 17% best toughness you can roll on a curio blessing?

[lethal lagoon]

yeppers

[hearty sedge]

I really hope they fix destiny soon. It is such a solid keystone when it works.

[hearty sedge]

17 toughness, 21 health.

[gentle rose]

thanks both ❤️

[twilit carbon]

how well do psykers function in a frontline role?

[hearty sedge]

Do you mean Frontline DPS or Frontline tank?

[twilit carbon]

frontline tank

[hearty sedge]

They have arguably the best CC in the game with smite. It just doesn't kill shit.

[twilit carbon]

i dont mind. i prefer support and CC over sheer damage numbers

[hearty sedge]

You must remember, death is the ultimate CC

That being said, I run a void strike with smite on a crit build.

[vestal fulcrum]

Trauma can allow you to do that while also dealing damage

[hearty sedge]

Frankly stupid damage with CC emergency

[vestal fulcrum]

Also, don’t get greatly invested into the “tank” and “support” mentality. The only constant value which is contributing to winning a mission is killing enemies, and if you can’t do that well on your own, you will likely fail

[strong gulch]

If you don't make mistakes, you can do anything. Psyker is less forgiving of mistakes.

But with a force sword and Kinetic Deflection, you have unlimited dodges, more room to block, and can vent to manage peril.

So occupying a boss can be pretty comfy.

[hearty sedge]

I occupy bosses by chain staggering them.

[strong gulch]

Definitely. This game is less about roles and more about flexibility.

[hearty sedge]

If the other 3 idiots can't make a play when the plague ogryn is busy doing his best moonwalk, that's on them

[strong gulch]

Wtih overtuned void, then yeah stagger on.

[glad meadow]

do the recon lasgun get access to any blessing that reduce armor?

[vestal fulcrum]

They don’t

[glad meadow]

Oh ok

[hearty sedge]

Mine is pretty overtuned
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046914150363844779/1163366648250634260/image.png

[glad meadow]

i just waste my 100k rolling for one then

[hearty sedge]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/weapon-blessing-traits

[glad meadow]

what is "third and fourth shot in a salvo" mean?

[hearty sedge]

The third and fourth shot before letting go of left click.

For single fire guns, there is a buffer of 0.15 seconds before it resets

[vestal fulcrum]

Well, each time you press the attack button and fire, it counts as a volley

Or salvo

[glad meadow]

what are good among these?

[vestal fulcrum]

(What have you, semantics)

[hearty sedge]

Through which weapon?

[glad meadow]

but this thing is automatic?

[vestal fulcrum]

Headhunter is good, and so is Infernus. Dumdum is reasonably decent, and the rest is niche or largely irrelevant.

[glad meadow]

psyker get guarantee every 5 shot aint it?

[hearty sedge]

fires gun Bang Bang Bonus Bonus Bang Bang Bang Bang

[vestal fulcrum]

If by “every 5 Weakspot hit they get a Crit”, then they do have a passive ability like that, yes

[hearty sedge]

So if you fire in ~ 4 round bursts you get the most out of it.

Be aware that close range damage is bugged this patch. It triggers 50% closer than last patch.

8m away instead of 15m

[glad meadow]

is hit and run good?

[hearty sedge]

Not really? It says immunity, but it means damage immunity. Not suppression immunity.

[vestal fulcrum]

It’s OK

But not great

[hearty sedge]

It is kind of garbage this patch with the nerf/bug to close range damage

For a recon lasgun just take headhunter inferus

It is safe and foolproof while deleting bosses

[glad meadow]

i guess it save me a perk point

btw is the 5 weak spot thing intended for you to be able to do so in melee?

i see the stack build in melee, i just can't spend it

[ebon jolt]

For the Vld on psyker I prefer stripped down because true aim makes head hunter redundant.

True aim only triggers on ranged damage.

But you can build stacks in melee.

[hearty sedge]

Which I honestly feel is a bug myself

[glad meadow]

i got a really shit roll, but i spend like 3000 resources on it

[hearty sedge]

Honestly, it's not bad

Just grab the standard flak/mutant combo

[glad meadow]

now i guess i am looking for infernus to rebless it but i run out of cash

i wish psyker get bolter

[hearty sedge]

Punishing salvo is fine since it's frankly ridiculous buff, just shoot in short bursts.

[glad meadow]

i bet the table top psyker get bolter

my game just crash when i switch to it lol

[hearty sedge]

Tabletop pskyer gets perils of the warp

[glad meadow]

the gun is too powerful

i wish there is a way to modify this thing's sight

it block like half the screen

[strong gulch]

That's a big reason why I don't like most guns.

[ebon jolt]

I’m not convinced punishing salvo is worth it. You miss out on a lot of crits by not going full auto. Maybe it might work on the VIIa. Not the VId.

[glad meadow]

i think the gun model is fine, they just need to lower it

i doubt this is how they behave irl

(since i rec ognize the gun

[brisk kelp]

is there a big difference between the duelling swords? wanted to try one out

[ebon jolt]

The MkIV is currently considered the best. Due to the damage and attack pattern on the heavy. With rending strikes or whatever the blessing is called you cut through elites easily.

[brisk kelp]

alright, thanks c:

[strong gulch]

The move sets are slightly different with the MK 5 having strike down its heavies vs the pokes of the mk 2 and 4.

Mk 4 currently has the biggest heavies by a large margin, but all were buffed.

Mk 4 heavies and Deimos H2 have really big damage and are the general go to melee right now.

[rocky osprey]

Does Surge affect Trauma's shockwave like it does on Voidstrike's meatball? i.e. it casts two shockwaves on critical?

or does it only affect the primary fire bolt

[strong gulch]

primary only

[rocky osprey]

thought so lmao ty

[dim parrot]

is executor blessing good on Illisi?

[steel flame]

Try laspistol

[glad meadow]

what, it going to crash my game too?

[steel flame]

Nah but it's got a baseline 25% crit chance without the crit chance perk

[rocky osprey]

it’s alright if you have to lock it in for a sword u wanna keep, but there’s more optimal/easier blessings for power bonuses

i.e. slaughterer lol

[dim parrot]

aozhvqjx ok its a good executor wich I dont have yet, but I really wanna use that sword and would rather have deflector and slaughterer on it xD

[steel flame]

30% with perk, 40% with crit aura, 60% with scrier, and absurd crit and weakpoint damage.

Virtual ranged immunity while shooting with crit dodge feat

Great boss damage with scrier and inferno+dumdum

[ebon jolt]

Doesn’t crit aura only give +4%?

[steel flame]

I'm rounding up by 1% leave me alone

[ebon jolt]

Oh. You’re including the passive +5% from the tree.

[steel flame]

Oh that too

So it's base 44%

Then 64% with scrier

Forgot about that node

And it also has the funny 11m force push special that goes through walls

I need to sell it harder

Clearly

[thin finch]

I've been led to believe that this staff, is in fact, shit with the lock on the 8% crit damage

[crisp yacht]

Are trappers supposed to be silent in auric?

[steel flame]

God I should hope not

[crisp yacht]

Because sometimes they do make noise and other times completely silent.

[steel flame]

It's a known issue

[left basin]

is exorcist on fswords useable on scrier

[steel flame]

Special sounds break alot

[left basin]

as in run around in infinite bazinga mode just quelling through hits

[steel flame]

Staff is perfectly usable.

[steel flame]

It is usable but scrier increases exponentially so you can extend it for a bit

[misty aspen]

can someone explain wtf is going on in this? how is he getting ammo back so often

[steel flame]

It's because he is josho

[ebon jolt]

Like those times you’re standing next to a spawn door and all of a sudden a bursted comes flying out with no forward notice and you get blown up.

[misty aspen]

Is that just rip 5 with lucky bullet doing all that?

no way

[ebon jolt]

I would try it if I had a decent las pistol lying around. But I don’t and crafting in this game blows so maybe one day.

[severe folio]

because crafting is just gacha upgrade

[steel flame]

Looks like the fire dot is proc'ing lucky bullet

Considering the other bugs we have had this patch that does not surprise me

[zinc phoenix]

Yeah but that thing is gunlugger

[near wyvern]

I want to like scrier's gaze but man it should honestly just be a toggle with no cooldown

Maybe tune down some of the buffs a bit or increase peril gen, I don't care. Let me toggle it FFS.

[steel flame]

Lol

I love scrier

Has such a short cool down too

[near wyvern]

Except you can't shorten it with warp siphon

And you can't really use the movement speed buff cause you gotta be hitting enemies to keep the peril from going up as fast

[steel flame]

Maybe I like it cause I'm not trying to break it with warp siphon x)

[spice oar]

grab mind in motion and vent whilst getting to your target

[steel flame]

If you pair it with the crit speed and destiny you go zoomin

[near wyvern]

I mean when you pop it with savage sweep shred devils claw 4 it absolutely is a lawnmower but it just feels so clunky

[ebon jolt]

This has been acknowledged as a bug and should be fixed… eventually.

[steel flame]

I like that it really pushes non force weapons up a notch

I press f, I go zommin, everything dies

[near wyvern]

But still it's better with void 😂

Because transfer peril can make it last ages

Venting shreik with creeping flames just seems like a better burst damage option

[spice oar]

which is also going to get nerfed

[near wyvern]

For sure yes

On an other note how good is chainsaw against carapace?

[signal galleon]

anyone down to do a private heresy?

[ebon jolt]

Venting shriek with creeping flames is sooooooo good. With 6 warp charges, CDR aura and 3 4% CDR curio perks the cooldown is about 12 seconds. That doesn’t even take into account 1.5s cooldown from psykinetics aura per special or elite kill.

[steel flame]

You can't do it solo without mods

[steel flame]

You need to have at least one other person in your party and then you can do a private match

[signal galleon]

yeah i know thats why im asking if anyone wants to do one XD

[steel flame]

Oh

Misread question

[dawn wolf]

Good luck with the penance if the bots are around

[thin finch]

I've been using it a lot so ye , I have no doubt about it

[signal galleon]

exactly, need to basically kill a monstrosity by myslef with brain burst

[dawn wolf]

Can probably find someone in the lfg chats/groups. Where I got help with mine

[ebon jolt]

Do a level 1 mission in a private game, let all the bots die, don’t rescue them and solo the level?

[dawn wolf]

Has to be on heresy difficulty. The guys who helped me out took care of all the adds while I danced around with a beast of nurgle

[signal galleon]

needs to be lvl 4 not 1 for the pennance

[ebon jolt]

Oh. Dang.

[signal galleon]

gonna pop into that group see if i can find anyone though thanks