psyker-class

[unique mist]

those staffs dont share blessings

so

i'm trying to get it on voidstrike

[hearty sedge]

Oh, I'm sorry.

[unique mist]

yeah no staffs share blessings

blessing sharing is determined by the latter half of the name

[hearty sedge]

For what its worth, it is REALLY good on the staff.

[unique mist]

so "recon lasgun" and "infantry lasgun" don't share blessings even though they are both lasguns

likewise no staffs share blessings because they are all different staffs

[hearty sedge]

Being able to stagger rat ogres plague ogryns is amazing.

[unique mist]

thats the ideal

[left mirage]

you can stagger chaos spawns too

its kinda wack

[hearty sedge]

I'm thinking of swapping out warp flury for the buffed crit chance actually.

But I'm really feeling out the crit blessing before I commit.

[left mirage]

warp nexus surge and warp flurry quell are my picks

quell on hs kill is wild

[wispy iris]

noice

[left mirage]

since you're swiss cheesing entire hordes most of the time

[hearty sedge]

Oh yeah, but surge is nutty. 25% chance to just delete and stagger.

[left mirage]

yup

imo both setups are good

[hearty sedge]

And I float about 60-80% quell, so it works out to be ~15% bonus chance. Really figuring out if I want faster charge or 40% crit.

[wispy iris]

whats max stamina on a curio?

[hearty sedge]

3

[wispy iris]

thanks

[hearty sedge]

Needs a perfect 79-80 roll, because screw you.

[wispy iris]

wht

[hearty sedge]

Curios main stat goes from 20-80 power.

[nimble adder]

Ok so a psyker can tank a daemon host with kinetic deflection if done properly

[nimble adder]

Just sound that out lol

[hearty sedge]

Is it really 75? That doesn't sound right.

Huh

Now I know.

Is it health curios that need a perfect 80 for 21%?

I know it was one of them that really pissed me off when I found out.

For various reasons.

[bold shell]

Yea just quell fast between the 3 rapid swings and you can tank indefinitely

Works better if you got a force sword that has the blessing which increases block efficiency and allows ranged attack blocking, because of the much better block efficiency

[summer prairie]

DS works better

[bold shell]

Did this for the first time on damnation just 2 days ago, was quite happy

[summer prairie]

deflector is still ranged block efficiency only

Well, you can quell easier with FS but after a certain point you don't need to quell at all

[bold shell]

Oh really? i thought it was in general

[wispy iris]

travesty

[spice veldt]

fatshark description-itis

[bold shell]

Either way I'm not good enough to dodge the full attack animation yet, so it's good to be able to tank when you are selected to be colleteral

[spice veldt]

another reason why the duelling swords also work for DH tanking is because of ✨✨✨hidden stats✨✨✨, since the mk2/4 have a block cost of 0.5, and the MKV has a block cost that scales with its Defence stat (0.33 at 80%)

[idle bay]

There used to be a time when Deflector coud quell by itself while you blocking and ganing more Peril. But it was a bug ofc....

[spice veldt]

for reference, the force swords have a block cost of 1

[wispy iris]

which sword is better?

[bold shell]

Another thing I didn't know

[bold shell]

I would take the on that already has deflector, but I love deflector too much so I'm biased, then you can swap the quell blessing and a perk

Like unarmored to maniac, maybe can 1shot muties then, not sure about breakpoint

If not just reroll unarmored to elites or specials, cause flak stuff already dies in special attack anyway, if you even bother not voidstriking everything you see

[lost laurel]

guess i know what class fatshark hates most

[wispy iris]

got it

ty

[wispy iris]

we are undeserving

[summer prairie]

with venting shriek, DSV and stamina+bcr stacking you can barely tank two daemonhosts at once without dodging/moving away

[bleak tulip]

could be 78%, thats what my 17% toughness curios are at, but my 21 health one is 80 yeah

[cyan notch]

nah i dont think its that high

[bleak tulip]

that said that 1% is largely irrelevant anyway lets be real, I run 20 health and 16 toughness on my other classes because curios are just dumb luck to acquire

[cyan notch]

actually maybe it is that high nvm

[bleak tulip]

tbh I dont know why they dont just share curio inventory like they did in VT

[cyan notch]

i have a 20% at 77 and 21% at 79

[coarse sequoia]

is warp flurry good on the surge?

[bleak tulip]

yeah probably

havent played with it this patch but flurry is just good in general

[idle bay]

It ffeels good and it plays good.

[keen harbor]

flurry+nexus is default go to for staffs

[coarse sequoia]

gottcha

[keen harbor]

On Surge and Purgatus, your only other option is terrifying barrage

and suppression is kinda bugged, so better to go for damage

[coarse sequoia]

gotcha

[bleak tulip]

barrage has never been good tbh

[keen harbor]

Flurry isn't all that great either, if you like playing near peril limits anyways

and surge charges super fast now

[bleak tulip]

it makes a noticable difference, at least on void where you gotta charge differently depending on what youre shooting

its not necessary by any means but its nice to have in lieu of optimal blessings

[stark notch]

Is 64% charge speed on surge staff bad?

[bleak tulip]

its not ideal but charge speed differs relatively little, if its otherwise an upgrade I say go for it

no idea if you gotta fully charge surge nowadays

[stark notch]

This is how the current comparison goes

[spice veldt]

flurry doesn't drop immediately nowadays (but has a lower bonus), so there's that

[stark notch]

I plan to replace warp flurry with nexus for crit

[viscid matrix]

both are good, inspect the weapon and mouse over the yellow bars to see exactly what they do

[bleak tulip]

I'd prob use the right one

[keen harbor]

does quell speed make a difference in this patch? It feels like I can go from 100% to 0% in like 3 seconds

[stark notch]

Yeah, I was thinking that too :/

[bleak tulip]

very little especially now that you can and should get 30% quell rate upgrade

[keen harbor]

now I have to go find a 0% quell speed staff to find out

[viscid matrix]

quell speed matters kinda

but you should be edging your peril to 100% constantly since of so many buffs you get while at high peril

[spice veldt]

quell speed is the same as last patch

[keen harbor]

Yeah, I try and keep peril at >50% when I am fighting things

[spice veldt]

formula for peril quelled per tick

[viscid matrix]

edge your peril, hit 100% tap quell, instantly drop to 85%ish then go again till you hit 100%

you get around max bonuses from 85% and up

[keen harbor]

I would, except I've blown up from these servers being laggy sometimes

[viscid matrix]

you only blow up if you do warp attacks while at 100%

[keen harbor]

tell that to the server

[unique mist]

oh yeah i love edging

thats a joke

[viscid matrix]

edging your peril so you can contantly hear the demons is always worth it

[keen harbor]

I've shot out voidstrike balls at 90%, and blow up occasionally

[hearty sedge]

Legitimately should be pinned.

[viscid matrix]

has it been added to the guide yet?

[viscid matrix]

it will probably be added to the guide that is already pinned eventually

[bleak tulip]

I mean I could incorporate it into my pin but that shit is at the bottom

[spice veldt]

i don't think so

[bleak tulip]

or just ask a mod, though having the guide at the top is nice

[spice veldt]

but the credit goes to syllogism

[viscid matrix]

that shouldnt happen, like ever
are you playing on the wrong servers and getting really high ping?

i litereally sit on 85-100 peril constantly and i only blow up if i missclick and dont quell while at 100

[keen harbor]

I'm playing in NA east coast, and should be getting NA east coast. I am in a zone with fibe. It's literally the fatshark servers and how they handle crossplay

[viscid matrix]

im in OCE, and ive never had that happen, even when playing in NA or EU servers

[bleak tulip]

on the note of pings
<@&735928989146939404> hello dear janitors could we get this build unpinned since its dramatically outdated now and the person left the server? #psyker-class message

<3

[keen harbor]

I know, it's so weird. It honestly feels like a bug sometimes

[lament glen]

Donezo

[viscid matrix]

im tempted to ask for this to be unpinned too
#psyker-class message

but some of it is still acurate while most is not

[still hearth]

Aren't they working on it

[bleak tulip]

last update 3rd Oct, so maybe

[viscid matrix]

nope

[still hearth]

8 September

[bleak tulip]

yeah never mind lol

[lament glen]

If they're not planning to update it then it's not worth having pinned. I'll remove it.

[still hearth]

Ahh no

I was thinking of the other one

Go on

[viscid matrix]

😄

[bleak tulip]

yeah pygex guide is being updated and its probably the best one we have

[viscid matrix]

its almost on par with the Ogrynomicon

[lament glen]

lmk if there's any resources you guys want pinned, I have no idea what the brain boys are using these days

[fading galleon]

[viscid matrix]

all good, Pygex has us covered

[severe folio]

who is pygex

andwhere can i see their guides

[viscid matrix]

#psyker-class message

its the pinned guide

[still hearth]

[severe folio]

oh that

thank you

[viscid matrix]

im a dumbass

[still hearth]

Its'.. literally from the Darktide server

[viscid matrix]

ohh shit it is too, i didnt see it there lol

[still hearth]

Though I have that one on like 8 servers apparently

[limber heath]

that pinned guide isn't a guide in the sense the ogrynomicon is tho is it? thought it was more of a mechanics breakdown

[still hearth]

It's not a "what to get for every weapon" guide afaik

[viscid matrix]

if pygex had more time it could be, but alas he doesnt have the time

[still hearth]

Just a "this is how the game works"

[viscid matrix]

you can always make one and have it pinned 😄

[bleak tulip]

he goes a bit into class mechanics too but yeah

[smoky ember]

Hi, do you have any suggestion on how to do the "Power up" Penance easily? The One where you have to brain burst enemies with maximum warp charge

[limber heath]

oh yea I don't mean to say "damn why didn't this guy make a full guide for me smh"

[flint hound]

search help for warpbattery

[bleak tulip]

just BB everything, I dont remember having much trouble with it

[viscid matrix]

if you want to help Pygex, write up one from info you get from people here
and then send it to him to add it to the guide

[severe folio]

im going through damnation now

but keeping myself alive is another long matter

the mk4 duel sword is very fun

[marsh tulip]

which dueling sword os better?

[severe folio]

mk4

i believe

[still hearth]

The stabby one

[severe folio]

it has heavy stab attack

and it hits very hard

[still hearth]

The one that does the stabs

[marsh tulip]

is that also the one that you can vroom around with?> 😄

[severe folio]

vroom ?

[still hearth]

All duelling swords go vroom

[viscid matrix]

all you need to do is be at max warp charges
then use Brain Burst/Brain Rupture on elites or specialists

[marsh tulip]

vrooom

[severe folio]

i see

[spice veldt]

mkv has the best dodge distance, but it's not worth the lower damage than the mk4

[viscid matrix]

agreed, the mk V has like 5/6 of the damage for a few meters dodge distance

[spice veldt]

here are the differences between the duelling sword heavies to see it to believe it

[idle bay]

And MK IV looks like someone from dev team have a warm feelings towards it

[bleak tulip]

its red that means it goes faster

[idle bay]

And i'm still using Illsi. If i try to craft good dueling MK iV i might just quit the game again from immesurable amount of bullshit you have t o go through to craft a good weapon 🙂

[spice veldt]

they prob forgot to give the other duelling swords the correct values

since the mk2/5 have less weakspot damage than the patch notes say

and the mk2's h1 is lower damage despite being the exact same as the mk4's

(and the mk2 not having the fast followup from the special into the h1 like the mk4 does)

[smoky ember]

Yeah, but I'm having a lot of difficilty since now the warp charges only charge with elite. But maybe i have Just to try at bigger difficulties with more enemies

[bleak tulip]

what is the special even for I havent fucked around with it at all

[spice veldt]

stagger

[bleak tulip]

righto

[spice veldt]

in practice, you're using it mainly against ragers

https://streamable.com/1jtm0k

[bleak tulip]

I tried it and all it did was push the guy over so that checks out

[spice veldt]

the special comes out quick, and the h1 uniquely has a faster windup if you chain into it

so it's not as much of a DPS loss if you use the special and then do the heavy combo

[still hearth]

I believe that's a thing for some other weapons too

Like one of the heavy swords have faster heavy after special

But that's not relevant for brain nerds

[spice veldt]

who plays zealot smh

pretty cringe

[still hearth]

Everyone

[spice veldt]

you can also reliably stagger crushers if you hit their heads
and you can guardbreak bulwarks (if you hit their heads)

so there's some safety against the ogryn elites

but I don't really do it to them

[hollow cargo]

Would it be wise for me to change deflector to Shred 3 for hordeclear?

[spice veldt]

since I just poke crushers to death or shoot bulwarks with my staff

[hollow cargo]

it'd be crit city no?

[viscid matrix]

one thing you have to remember too, you spend your warp charges with your ability

[spice veldt]

there are going to be some diminishing crits, especially since crits aren't good for hordeclear

because after a certain number of targets hit, the crit dmg multiplier drops

[still hearth]

Not really.

Get Slaughterer

[bleak tulip]

get a new illisi and eat this one for blessings just to have em

[hollow cargo]

hmmm

ok

[still hearth]

I mean yeah that works too

[hollow cargo]

what's dump stat on illisi

[still hearth]

Mobility

[hollow cargo]

no shit

[still hearth]

Or Warp Res

[hollow cargo]

really?

[bleak tulip]

mob, wr

you have infinite dodges

[still hearth]

Idk if you're sarcastic

[hollow cargo]

haha

wait

[still hearth]

But basically every weapon has mobility/defense dump stat

[hollow cargo]

we have inf dodges?

[bleak tulip]

FS does yeah

[hollow cargo]

bro

oh my lord this changes the game

[still hearth]

The Force Swords have small dodges though (other than the Deimos)

But they chain pretty well together I feel

And backwards dodges are like 3x as long

[hollow cargo]

is this ok

what even is power level

[spice veldt]

sideways and backwards dodges are the same distance

[bleak tulip]

sure

[still hearth]

It's Power

Probably

[hollow cargo]

i dont understand

[bleak tulip]

its the reason mind in motion was a shit talent before the rework, you could just keep side dodging at run speed while venting with the FS

[still hearth]

That's normal dw

[hollow cargo]

like force?

[cyan notch]

damage

[still hearth]

Darktide uses confusing terms that aren't explained

[spice veldt]

power = damage, cleave, and stagger

[still hearth]

And sometimes don't use the right term

[hollow cargo]

they did that in vt2

[spice veldt]

+40% power is equivalent to +40% damage, +40% cleave, and +40% impact

[hollow cargo]

OH

[cyan notch]

its the same thing as power in vt2

[hollow cargo]

oh :p

is exorcist any good

[bleak tulip]

not really

[hollow cargo]

real

[still hearth]

It has some combo with Scrier's Gaze

[hollow cargo]

just rolled this lfg

[still hearth]

But idk if that's worth it

[hollow cargo]

tell me more

[still hearth]

Just use them together

[hollow cargo]

im running scrier + assail

[still hearth]

And hit people

And you can keep Scrier up more

[hollow cargo]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

with what blitz tho?

would u run brain burst w that?

[thin finch]

339 ,belongs to the can

[hollow cargo]

mannnnnnnnnnn

what'

[thin finch]

What is your current level ?

[hollow cargo]

what's highest roll you can get from brunt

[still hearth]

The spread isn't terrible though. Could be better

[thin finch]

380 for the base stat.
I consinder 360+ the bare minimum for keepers

[hollow cargo]

don't laugh im trying to fix it i need more plasteel

[thin finch]

Indeed aim for 360 plus yourself, or have high standar d and 370 plus but this one is tough to get

[thin finch]

We all do brother

[hollow cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-nod-okay-gif-25128054

off to go grind

[wispy iris]

[thin finch]

Apparently , this has not been proven though, higher base stat have a better chance to get high level blessing when you consecrate them

[hollow cargo]

must be nice huh

[wispy iris]

almost good

[thin finch]

Keepers

[wispy iris]

but ruined damage

[thin finch]

(Sadly damage is low)

[wispy iris]

other in progress

[bleak tulip]

rating doesnt matter as long as the main stats are good tbh

its just that its less likely to roll t4 blessings and that youre missing out on dump stats

[wispy iris]

this the thing

[bleak tulip]

like on a deimos you really dont need warp resist at all for example

since you barely ever use charge

[wispy iris]

I still dont have a surge

[bleak tulip]

on an illisi that may be different since you use it a lot

so the dump stat leans more mobility there

[wispy iris]

[bleak tulip]

same lmao

#psyker-class message

I learned this today

its sort of unintuitive but makes sense in a way

I usually dumped em after rolling for the first blessing

[ornate hamlet]

scrier gaze crit gunpsyker has never been so fun before.
already changed 1st trait for ranged crit damage

[still hearth]

DON'T DO CRIT DAMAGE

REEEE

[ornate hamlet]

too late

[still hearth]

Well

As long as you know

It sucks balls

Then enjoy

[ornate hamlet]

yessir

[viscid matrix]

the name is Gunker

[ornate hamlet]

sounds like somin ogryn would say

[severe folio]

wait one of the orgyn grenade is just a rock

[bleak tulip]

"just"

[still hearth]

It's a very nice rock

[normal sequoia]

So sparkheads, what is the correct way to use Smite? I gave it a whirl on Damnation yesterday and 90% of my gameplay was literally just staggering packs of crushers, ragers or gunners while doing minimum amount of damage. So it's basically just a support tool and depends on teammates for the actual killing?

[bleak tulip]

kinda

its very nice to have if it didnt cut your frames in half

[spice veldt]

basically you become the zealot's stumm nade

[normal sequoia]

I see

So my only purpose is just to stun shit

And hope my teammates are smart enough to actually kill it

[spice veldt]

hopes and prayers

[thin finch]

I want to ask why. I know it's because 10% vs 25% but still

[still hearth]

It's not 10%

It's 10% of the extra crit damage you do on top of base.

[spice veldt]

so if you deal 100 base damage and 125 damage on a crit, +10% crit damage means that you'll deal 127.5 damage on a crit

since 125 + (125 - 100) * 0.1 = 127.5

instead of the 125 + 125 * 0.1 = 137.5 that you'd expect from a more reasonable calculation

[indigo portal]

mmm I love a 2% critical damage increase that is likely paired with ~5-30% crit chance resulting in an even lower avg damage increase.

[still hearth]

There's some cases where it could be argue that it's potentially an upside but since the other values add onto the total damage its really hard to get anywhere near the same value out of even the biggest crit weapons.

Like Knife does about 3x extra crit damage on light attacks which adds about 15 damage but it only does like 30% extra on heavy crits or something which..

Ehh

[severe folio]

my knife is the devil claw

[spice veldt]

prob cuz of armour mods

crits will bump the armour damage modifiers% to a certain value, and it seems to vary on a per-weapon basis?

crits are like a 5x bonus on heavies vs maniac (on bodyshot)

[wispy iris]

boys

[spice veldt]

well bodyshot isn't fair i suppose
~2.5x on heavy weakspot vs maniac

[wispy iris]

we got the surge

[spice veldt]

very nice

[wispy iris]

thank you

a graveyard of staves later

[snow nova]

1 year later and i still haven't found a good voidstrike staff

[wispy iris]

😭

[spice veldt]

nvm crit and weakspot multipliers in this game were made by a crack addict and are inconsistent

well weakspots are consistent so far, but not crits

knife randomly having a higher crit dmg multiplier against unyielding compared to the other armour types

oh, and flak as well

what in the world is the reasoning behind that

[wispy iris]

is it worth reblessing a nexus 3

[wispy iris]

^

what are the best perks for voidstrike?

[viscid matrix]

Surge and Warp Nexus for Crit build that can 1tap everything that isnt a monstrocity

Warp Flurry and Transfer Peril if you want to just throw warp grenades way way more

[wispy iris]

yea im planning to run surge and nexus

but what about perks?

[viscid matrix]

ohh

Unyielding for Monstrocities
or Flak, Carapace or Maniac

any of those 4 depending on what you want to focus killing faster

[wispy iris]

im thinking unyielding and carapace

[obtuse walrus]

I personally like throwing 25% bonus vs flak and unyielding

I use brain burst against carapace anyways

[wispy iris]

I use assail :p

[obtuse walrus]

I'm sorry

[wispy iris]

so carapace are a pain

[wispy iris]

💀

[obtuse walrus]

Then yeah, get a bonus against them

My void staff is built for horde clearing, and my brain burst deals with the rest

[wispy iris]

is it worth changing from solidity to true aim?

[obtuse walrus]

[spice veldt]

ignoring the keystones, I prefer the right branch over the left branch with assail and doubly so with surge voidstrike

[wispy iris]

got it

[terse rivet]

Does surge proc only off RNG crits or does hitting weakspots count?

[wispy iris]

should I rebless with tier 3 warp nexus?

or is it worth waiting for tier 4

[terse rivet]

You can change it to tier 4 whenever you get it

[wispy iris]

got it

[spice veldt]

only off of crits

[bleak tulip]

try and get both, they're too good to choose one imo

[spice veldt]

but there's the True AIm talent that gives you a guaranteed hit after 5 weakspot hits

deterministic crits go brrrrrrr

[bleak tulip]

whatever else you spent the points on likely isn't as value

[wispy iris]

fr?

[terse rivet]

You run scryers for void strike crit build?

Scriers*

[wispy iris]

how do I share a whole build

[obtuse moth]

its fine you can just change it to crit chance or w/e enemy type you have the most trouble with

[bleak tulip]

could remake it on games lantern or something

or just screens

[spice veldt]

quell speed is nice to have but not something I'd use points on unless you have nothing else you see worth putting points into

i only have the left branch because i'm a heroine user who

's getting all of the +toughness nodes

[obtuse moth]

i notice the 30% quell speed a lot tbh. if you main staff its worth it but if you swap weapons often perhaps not as much

[bleak tulip]

your top section is all fucky

[wispy iris]

man

i followed a build guide

[obtuse moth]

don't need it at all on my laspistol assail psyker

[spice veldt]

these are two of the best talents for psyker btw

[wispy iris]

from this robot dude

[bleak tulip]

what Arco said

[wispy iris]

lol FUCJ

[spice veldt]

if you're running voidstrike + assail + true aim, go through Mettle into Perfect Timing instead

[zinc phoenix]

Literally reading the words would have told you those were the good traits 😂

[obtuse moth]

i prefer crits give toughness and movement speed to the toughness from peril gen if you want to get the crit damage talent

[zinc phoenix]

Build guides smh my head

[hollow cargo]

bro why couldn't my zealot get dropped this

[zinc phoenix]

Insufficient flesh mortification

[wispy iris]

brother I thought warp attack was my ability when I did the build

[hollow cargo]

that is very true

[spice veldt]

ikr

[obtuse moth]

if you're not critting enough to be worth getting the top crit talent, then you should also skip the one below it

[hollow cargo]

blessings made me happy

[spice veldt]

it sounds too good to be true

but no fatshark forgot to nerf Soulstealer when they imported it from the old feat tree

[zinc phoenix]

Idk why they’d bother when assail exists 😂

“What if we created a veteran that didn’t rely on ammo or aiming”

[wispy iris]

is this better?

took 1 off -5% peril geen

[hollow cargo]

what lvl are you

[wispy iris]

30 ?

[spice veldt]

I'd take Quietitude, and I'd go through Mettle into Perfect Timing instead of Warp Expenditure

[zinc phoenix]

Trading peril for toughness is very strong

Altho less possible to do big burst of toughness gain without shriek

[hollow cargo]

this is my assail build

[bleak tulip]

fwiw here's what I run with void assail

[spice veldt]

if you don't have enough points, then you'd prob have to give up one of your toughness nodes and whatnot

[hollow cargo]

does that keystone make assail do more against carapace

[bleak tulip]

if it crits yeah

[severe folio]

no

[bleak tulip]

:^)

[severe folio]

it make assail recharge faster

[wispy iris]

how its looking

[severe folio]

i am steadily but surely feeling the benefits of disrupt detiny

destiny

the speed feels substantial

[hollow cargo]

why not run scrier's as well? might as well make ur shards count

[spice veldt]

i run a crackhead build so I won't show the entire tree I use, but these nodes are what I'd consider mostly essential for anything involving Assail

scrier's is very eh

[bleak tulip]

because scriers is stinky and so am I (I like having shout as a brain off "oh I fucked up" button

also fire shout is ez damage on hordes

got a literal 98 kill streak with it yesterday shouting at the corpse of a lv 31 vet

[hollow cargo]

that's also v true

hm

[wispy iris]

my team really likes the dome so im gna keep running it

[hollow cargo]

so many possibilities

[bleak tulip]

dome is fun

[spice veldt]

dome is gr8 for shutting down bonbons

[bleak tulip]

I just dont think scriers is it

unless youre gunker

in which case I dont respect you in the kindest way possible

c:

[spice veldt]

you can make scrier's work, but the usage would ironically involve not quelling it much at all

because it's a fairly marginal benefit that may or may not be worth the time spent quelling especially over time

or you use it before engagements and building stacks (which only last 10 seconds)

[wispy iris]

do you not feel squishy?

[bleak tulip]

if i wanted more assail shit I'd maybe run psionics but idk if thats better over right keystone

[severe folio]

i keep having to go back and read scrier to remember what it does

[wispy iris]

you look like you have no toughness

[bleak tulip]

I havd 133 toughness and 217 health

two tough 1 health

[wispy iris]

ah right

[obtuse moth]

uhh does the merge strike teams not work if you hit space to continue? or is it just nonfunctional to begin with

[wispy iris]

you make up for it with curios

I run wound tough hp atm

[spice veldt]

i have 225 toughness and 172 hp 😎

[bleak tulip]

youre also weird

[spice veldt]

WOOOOOOOOOW

rude

[wispy iris]

how tf

[bleak tulip]

am I wrong

[spice veldt]

unfortunately not

[bleak tulip]

see all those toughness nodes? he took em

all of them

[wispy iris]

💀

what are you giving up

[spice veldt]

there are 5x toughness nodes; if you take them all, you get 135 base toughness

and if you stack +66% toughness on curios, that bumps you to 225

[near wyvern]

Creeping flames + perilous combustion + wildfire + battle meditation + warp siphon + inner tranquility + in fire reborn + warp battery + smite + enfeeble = lmao what horde

[bleak tulip]

yeah

I do love it

[spice veldt]

i run a keystone-less build

[bleak tulip]

full fire build is certainly very nice

[wispy iris]

💀

[spice veldt]

the toughness crackhead build

(ignore the fact that I didn't take +10%-33% toughness dR)

(i refuse to take mind in motion)

[bleak tulip]

[wispy iris]

[obtuse moth]

whys that?

[bleak tulip]

its pointless tbh

[spice veldt]

it's basically a do-nothing talent

[bleak tulip]

its comfy but useless

[spice veldt]

I have the APM to swap to my melee if you need space

and they tweaked the timings on quelling to let you instantly quell from any action

I also run Solidity because TOUGHNESS

so I need mind in motion even less

and I generally run a melee + blitz build so I do get some worth out of malefic

[bleak tulip]

before the patch I ran FS exclusively so there was no reason to take mind in motion then especially since you can just move at run speed while quelling and side dodging if you really wanna keep moving

only reason I take it now is because I am lazy and dont wanna spam APM

c:

and that choice under assail is like two of the worst talents on the tree and you gotta pick one

its like karma

[vestal fulcrum]

Was it even changed in any way this patch?

[spice veldt]

I think malefic is nice

jsut that the ammo economy of assail renders malefic basically pointless

[spice veldt]

😔 no

[vestal fulcrum]

Or is it still as terrible as it’s always been?

[vestal fulcrum]

Ah yes, figured

[near wyvern]

Yeah it's 1 extra dodge or training wheels. (The dodge duration does not work.)

[acoustic seal]

Thinking of trying a Gun Psyker build next.

[near wyvern]

It's the same as before. If you learn to sprint slide while channeling and save your dodges for casting and quelling you have all the mobility you need without the need for mind in motion.

[spice veldt]

i've got two keybinds for quelling--[V] and my [Mouse4]

is very nice

[near wyvern]

Good luck. It's either crit spam build that gets fast out of ammo or then it's Assail spam with gun for deleting elites in 0.5 seconds.

[acoustic seal]

Interesting

[blazing trout]

Decided I’m going to blow all my plasteel from this weekend on psyker

[acoustic seal]

I quite like my Assail currently and I wish to get better with flame shield psyker

[thin finch]

Ut's okay with the stub revolver

[blazing trout]

Is mettle any good?

[bleak tulip]

yes

[blazing trout]

Do you get the toughness regen from each target hit with a crit? Or just once per attack

[spice veldt]

every target

so if you have True Aim up and are aiming a trauma blast

guess what happens

fatshark was on crack cocaine by not limiting mettle or not giving it an ICD

you may also enjoy Mettle on the vraks 3

https://streamable.com/4otvss

[near wyvern]

Don't sleep on vraks 3 headhunter, it has crazy DPS especially against monstrosities if you can click weakspots. Agripinaa infantry gun is also really powerful. Less monstrosity damage in favour of better ammo economy against anything else.

Yeah if you take a recon las gun with mettle and true aim, you can pretty much face tank a monstrosity by hipfiring to their face and dodging every now and then

[summer prairie]

even if the 50% dodge duration worked, it might only make it linger for 0.1s longer

but the code is a bit confusing

[near wyvern]

It unfortunately drains your ammo super fast

[nimble adder]

Why am I not having any luck tryna get the deflector blessing?

[severe folio]

does anyone have a chainsword setup

or anything i should know about it

i though that it would be effective against carapace armor, but it seem to perform less effective than the dueling sword, so i must be doing somethin wrong

[bleak tulip]

idk shred and rampage I guess?

[spice veldt]

no that's just a duelling sword moment

it's one of the best melees against carapace currently

[thin finch]

I mean for ammo economy , i did not try too many gun yet because Brunt is a b*****

[severe folio]

i see

[vestal fulcrum]

Chainsword's forte is not carapace, frankly, so that's your clue. It's a weapon that does well against most armour types with its regular attacks, but you can't really make a dent in carapace as other melees do.

[thin finch]

It' just one of the best melees ~~ against carapace~~ currently

[severe folio]

oh

dang

i thought its universally good against armor adn flesh

didnt know it has a carapace weakness

[vestal fulcrum]

Flesh - yes. Flak - yes. Carapace, which only really matters against crushers, is not great (i.e., you will need multiple Rev attacks to kill a single crusher)

[vestal fulcrum]

Consider in-game stats of the weapon, or better yet, take it to Psykanium to see how it performs.

[severe folio]

well, thats where i test it

[vestal fulcrum]

I'm guessing right now, but you probably will require at least 3 heavy rev attacks on a Crusher to kill it on Damnation

[severe folio]

2-3 yeah

which i found strange when compare to the dueling sword

because, you know

a chainsaw

[spice veldt]

what +rending% does to a mf

[vestal fulcrum]

Dueling sword just goes swoosh and pierces one of the most durable materials known to man

[severe folio]

the ravager made me though its also effective to armor

no joke though dueling sword stabbing has been my most enjoyable action for today

[bleak tulip]

it is kind of hilarious to go from "dont hit maulers in the head" to "hit maulers in the head as much as you can"

[vestal fulcrum]

You need to smash that thrust button on its head

[spice veldt]

duelling swords having good drip in addition to actually good numbers (not in comparison to the chiansword but in comparison to its pre-patch version)

[bleak tulip]

finally I have a reason to wear that dumb plume hat

the real reason to play duel

[severe folio]

well rip the chainsword then

[cyan notch]

chord good

it does vroom and kill bad guys

[bleak tulip]

I think its kind of the go to for vets now

so its by no means bad

we just have the most broken shit this patch

[thin finch]

I bought it with the cape for the occasion

[vestal fulcrum]

Technically, chainswords are not bad per se on Psyker, but they can serve a different purpose. Psyker typically has poor monstrosity DPS with any of their weapons, bar Voidstrike, which is just terrifically stupid, so Bloodletter blessing on a chainsword can let you have a reasonably accessible and easy to perform damage against them.

[thin finch]

Stabbing mutie after headbonk them in the psyker wall is my dopamine button currently

[obtuse moth]

you can headbonk them with alt attack

dont even need the wall and theyll stop

[terse rivet]

wait the alt attack on dueling sword staggers muties?

[sleek remnant]

any advise on how to do the warp battery penance, so far ive done nearly everyother bar that

[obtuse moth]

if you headshot yea

at least on the mk4

[paper loom]

shall i change the perks or hold of for a better blessing?

[bleak tulip]

tbh just heavy them in the face and they basically die anyway

dont gotta get fancy

[terse rivet]

I legit thought the alt attack on dueling sowrd was completely useless

[spice veldt]

DS special has nice stagger

it comes out quick, and it has a fast followup into the h1 like the heavyswords and others do

[cyan notch]

u can do some stuff like quick double poke

but generally u can completely ignore it and be fine

[spice veldt]

p much

don't need to stagger when you outright kill everything

so ragers are the usual situation where you would optimally use the special for

[terse rivet]

When I was looking at the alt attacks stats breakdown it didn't look like it had any special stagger qualities and had horrific damage so just figured it was useless

[spice veldt]

✨ ✨ ✨ hidden and unexplained stats✨ ✨ ✨

[terse rivet]

Fat shark man.....

[spice veldt]

i wouldn't have known about it if tinyangrycrab didn't tell me

[terse rivet]

any other specials it will stagger. like for example maulers doing a top heavy.

[cyan notch]

doesnt it say it does stagger on the tooltip

[bleak tulip]

one of these days someone will find out that the staff melee is actually good somehow

[terse rivet]

I mean stagger is one thing but stopping a mutie from charging is like a special interaction

only other thing I know that does that is ogryn charge and taunt

[bleak tulip]

[terse rivet]

I really feel like staff specials should do an empowered thrust with whatever element that staff is but shrugs

[bleak tulip]

I think stopping mutie charge just requires a lot of stagger, nothing special

[spice veldt]

nah, it's special-cased

[bleak tulip]

rip

[spice veldt]

mutants have a stagger thresholds around the range of 10000 iirc

[bleak tulip]

hey so I am not totally wrong

[spice veldt]

🔫

[carmine agate]

which perk shld i change?

[terse rivet]

you might be able to do it with the ogryns underhand fist punch

[bleak tulip]

cara to flak prob? idk

[terse rivet]

if ever in doubt always flak

[bleak tulip]

oh its unyielding

uhh

maybe that to flak instead

[obtuse moth]

so how is surge doing 10k stagger? and only some of the time..

[carmine agate]

hmm ok

[bleak tulip]

I imagine trauma isnt the best against bosses but I cant say I tried

[obtuse moth]

trauma is good against slug which takes 2x explosion

[carmine agate]

i just like seeing things boom

[terse rivet]

I've witnessed an a psyker go absolutely nuts with the trauma staff in auric damnation

[bleak tulip]

does trauma secondary count as explosion?

didnt think so

[cyan notch]

yea it does

[plucky flax]

Trauma is poo poo against monsters apart from bonbon indeed.

[bleak tulip]

neato

[cyan notch]

u can take like half hp off a burster from the 12 damage part

[bleak tulip]

just kinda never tried using trauma on a boss because I havent even used it this patch and before BB always seemed more logical

[spice veldt]

yeah esp with the buff to damage against bonbon's pimple

[cyan notch]

trauma can make bonbon spit out players too iirc

[bleak tulip]

void can too if you hit the pimple with enough charge I think

[vestal fulcrum]

Wait, what’s the bungle’s weakness to Trauma?

[carmine agate]

does blaze trauma have enough blaze to take the 10% soulblazed enemy = 1 warp siphon perk over vampire>?

[cyan notch]

takes 2x damage from explosions or something

[lethal folio]

+50%

[cyan notch]

that

[lethal folio]

Was +100%, reduced this patch.

[nimble adder]

Is brain rupture still classed as brain burst?

[viscid matrix]

yes

[viscid matrix]

yes, but you can also take these 2 nodes on the left side of the talent tree too

[carmine agate]

oo

[viscid matrix]

can also take this Venting Shriek node too

[obtuse moth]

think as long as more than 40% of enemies that die are burning?

its late and i can't math so someone correct me if im wrong

[spice veldt]

hmm, purg LMB staggers dreg ragers and deals 90 damage
ds special deals ~100 damage with uncanny strike stacks

vewwy cuwious

time to purg all over them

[severe folio]

alright then

i have learn the shenanigan about the dueling sword

now

[bleak tulip]

purg on my rager till he staggers

[severe folio]

can i have some knowledge on the combat knife

i recall back in the day this thing used to be a huge meme for some reason

what is the status on the knife now

[slow vale]

How does dmg red vs gunner works ? Is it against all ranged type except snipers?

[vestal fulcrum]

Gunner = Dreg and Scab Gunner elites and ogryn Ripper

[bleak tulip]

only gunners, the pingable elites

[spice veldt]

ignore the toothpaste graphics

[vestal fulcrum]

Potato Grafics

[bleak tulip]

man's out here playing quake 3 arena

[vestal fulcrum]

I used to run these in Vermintide 2

[spice veldt]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1046913589614747719/1163413137421246484/IMG_9146.jpg?ex=653f7beb&is=652d06eb&hm=46e8a5876d713356fd03ee464bc4921b29683b855897b71ffb06e5eb1787dbbc&

[slow vale]

They give huge advantage in term of visibility

thx guys

[zenith cosmos]

I might have to try this lightning build I keep seeing I guess

Stop throwing darts

😂

[slow vale]

And how does toughness regen speed works on curios ? Does it boost only coherency bonus ?

I'm trying to find a website with these but no luck so far

[spice oar]

It's good af with a crit build imo, not so much with bleed since psykers don't benefit from that (unless you want to make a dot build with purgatus and smite)(i might do that now)

[spice veldt]

yep, only the regen from coherency

if the numbers are still the same as pre-patch, you'll regen 7.5 toughness/s from coherency (when all 4 players are in coherency) by default, and +90% bumps that up to 14.25 tough/s

it also reduces the delay at which coherency regen kicks in

[slow vale]

then I suppose ult regen is also more passive regen and not boost other kind of ult regen

[spice veldt]

yeah, +12% combat ability regen cuts a 30-second cooldown ult by 3.6 seconds (30 * 0.12)

[bleak tulip]

which still feels a bit stinky to me but hey

here I am running 8% reduction and gunner resist c:

[spice veldt]

and if it's anything like pre-patch, CDR will reduce the amount of CDR that you get from talents that reduce your cooldown by some percentage

i'd run combat ability regen if I were taking venting shriek, but alas it is on the opposite side of the tree

[severe folio]

thank you

[acoustic seal]

Man I want to go for power up but the brain burst is just so weak.

[bleak tulip]

shouldnt it be stronger now?

man I really gotta not use assail for a bit and actually try other shit

run empowered BB i guess

that feels like the build if there is one

[acoustic seal]

I have a good build for it but doing it is quite a pain. I just really want the head gear.

[blazing trout]

Wanting to make a voidstrike build but uncertain what to lean towards

[bleak tulip]

here's what I use

[cold oasis]

yeah no.

Just use 10% damage and Warp Charges

that's all you need for Voidstrike build

and use dome.

[blazing trout]

That’s what I came up with

[cold oasis]

ye it's more than fine

[modern island]

how do u screenshot the entire tree like that

[cold oasis]

mod probably

[fossil lagoon]

Disrupt destiny 💀 💀

[blazing trout]

Went smite, dome, and warp charge (but only the first talent, didn’t think the extra stuff was worth it

[modern island]

also yeah opinions on disrupt destiny?

[blazing trout]

On paper, it looks awful

[modern island]

i was thinking of pairing it with smite

and dome

[blazing trout]

I couldn’t justify it compared to the other trees.. but I’m not sure how much % chance it is to mark targets

[bleak tulip]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[blazing trout]

Until they fix dome cdr, warp charges seems best choice, at least for voidstrike

[sleek remnant]

is there anyway to track penances while in a game trying to get warp battery done and its a nightmare

[blazing trout]

Pretty sure there isn’t

[sleek remnant]

ive spent nearly 3 days trying to do it

[viscid matrix]

nope, but its 5 minutes so just count 😄

[obtuse moth]

some penances can be tracked with mods

[sleek remnant]

bruh those 5 mins might as well be an hour rn

[obtuse moth]

not this one prolly

[sleek remnant]

ive gotten to 4 mins so far

[bleak tulip]

not if you wanna proc surge

but you do you

[obtuse moth]

maybe have a full soulblaze comp lol

with histg

[spice veldt]

the % in the description is weird
It always marks an enemy near you, and only one enemy is marked at a time

the main problem is that there's a bug where marked enemies don't glow

so the entire point of the keystone is just gone

and it becomes pure RNG whether you'll get to kill your target or not

[bleak tulip]

it also changes when they get out of range I think

which can be annoying

[blazing trout]

If they fix that, I think it would be a fun keystone.

[summer prairie]

Maybe some definition of near

[sleek remnant]

tried to inconsistent, only works if its high amount of enemies cause you have to perma roll the 10% while the 4% is slightly better since its all enemies killed by anyone

[obtuse moth]

tbh that keystone sounds like warp battery with more rng

[spice veldt]

and all stacks dropping like a potato

[blazing trout]

I’m not convinced that the 4 points after the initial warp battery keystone are worth it

[bleak tulip]

why did you take empathic evasion??

[obtuse moth]

i always take peril and damage (unless im running a non peril generating build for some reason....) the other two i skip sometimes

[modern island]

seems pretty strong if youre spamming lots of attacks with ur weapon no?

is a headshot a crit

[obtuse moth]

the 4% random chance is actually pretty valuable imo, that said i still drop it

no

[bleak tulip]

also I feel like you'd rather want resonance over kinetic flayer

[sleek remnant]

no but if using flame staff your consta rolling crit chance

[obtuse moth]

a crit is a yellow number, a orange number is a weakspot or headshot

[sleek remnant]

making it more likely

[obtuse moth]

crit is a random chance to do more damage based on your weapon's crit multiplier and crit chance

[modern island]

absolutely not i thought the point of the build was that you NEVER had to brain rupture spam your weapon fast enough and you get them for free

[blazing trout]

For smite, how much is the +1 bounce worth?

[sleek remnant]

it can proc on the flame dmg meaning its being rolled more though

[wispy iris]

what roll is +2 wounds ?

[modern island]

spretty good in my experience

[bleak tulip]

I gotta say it sure would be nice if not all of my 15 fuckin stacks disappeared because the game stopped marking shit and I didnt have my glass ball ready

[sleek remnant]

that with the fact the staff can get a lot of scaling crit multipliers its better no?

[spice veldt]

only +1 wounds currently, even at 80 base rating (the current cap)

[obtuse moth]

they were asking if a headshot is a crit unless i missed some context

[bleak tulip]

they even changed how warp charges degrade, why not this too

[wispy iris]

fr?

damn

damn...

I got gaslit

[spice veldt]

it was me barry

[blazing trout]

My guess is design by numbers

[cold oasis]

Cool, you do you

[modern island]

someone asked why i take empathic evasion

[sleek remnant]

ahhh mb mb

[summer prairie]

Venting shriek into the crowd and hope it staggers the unmarked enemy

[hushed idol]

is kinetic flayer + scrier's gaze a viable build for a force sword psyker build

[modern island]

and i thought headshots were crits i didmnt know the game had a crit chance

[sleek remnant]

was justifying the pick of the perk

[modern island]

better qiestion is force sword a viable weapon

[bleak tulip]

its always some fuckin shooter in the back

[modern island]

chainsword go brr

[spice veldt]

force swords are good unless it's the obscurus

[hushed idol]

i don't care if the weapon is viable, it's cool

[cold oasis]

It's literally the only really working Scrier gaze build imho

[modern island]

correct answer

[viscid matrix]

obscurus is the leveling force sword that you first have access to

[cold oasis]

Force Sword is still great

[hushed idol]

warp speed seems bad

movement speed seems like a dump stat in this game

[spice veldt]

obscurus and trauma being two of the worst early weapons to give to players

[blazing trout]

Is there a reliable way to trigger rampage with dueling sword?

[spice veldt]

obscurus having the block-cancel combo and trauma being trauma

[hushed idol]

it's like going faster into a red light

[obtuse moth]

weakspot damage and crit damage are calculated super weird btw. if your weapon only does 20% more weakspot damage and crit damage, a +10% weakspot or critical damage modifier will only buff that part of the damage, aka 1/10th of 20%, or 2% more damage

[blazing trout]

Does the push attack cleave enough?

[spice veldt]

has 6 cleave (groaners have 1.25 hitmass and poxwalkers have 1.5)

not sure about bruisers and other enemies nowadays

[cold oasis]

And fuck me, i just tried again Purgatus

it's such a garbage weapon.

[spice veldt]

🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

[obtuse moth]

its fine for cc and braindead playing

[cold oasis]

People keep emoting me, and i keep trying every week

[hushed idol]

purgatas is actually so bad

[cold oasis]

Every time, it's just trash

[obtuse moth]

i find having peril resist talents help purge and surge a lot

[spice veldt]

gr8 weapon

[hushed idol]

if you want CC just use voidstrike, charged fireball blows up crowds

[spice veldt]

I love my purg

[cold oasis]

Cool

[bleak tulip]

the only constant in that one is you

[modern island]

slightly silly question, what does "killing an elite" mean in EXACT terms

does it count when ANYONE in the team kills it or just me

[cold oasis]

Let me just flame the same mob 8 seconds to kill it

[obtuse moth]

means you got the kill on a taggable non special enemy on the killfeed

[spice veldt]

for psykinetic's aura? only your kills

[umbral jetty]

I feel like purg should ignite bulwarks but not deal the direct damage

[bleak tulip]

I mean you flame like 20 guys not 1

thats kind of the point

[spice veldt]

what having a bad internal clock does to a mf

[modern island]

also, more general question

whats an elite vs a specialist

[obtuse moth]

purg ignites bulwarks fine, they die to burning moments after they open up

[bleak tulip]

in psyk there is that gaggle of everything behind the dog, thats specialists

[modern island]

im kinda thinking in L4D terms of "either its a normal zombie or its not"

[bleak tulip]

everybody left of that is elites

[spice veldt]

Elites:

• Crushers/Bulwarks/Reapers
• Scab/Dreg Gunners
• Scab/Dreg Shotgunners
• Scab/Dreg Ragers
• Scab Maulers

Specialists:

• Poxburster
• Scab/Dreg Flamers
• Scab Bomber
• Scab Sniper
• Scab Trapper
• Mutants
• Poxhounds

[cold oasis]

Oh yeah my bad, i can either one shot a gunner with Trauma, Voidstrike or Surge, but it's much better just using two fully charged right click on it

[obtuse moth]

specialists are the ones that don't just do more damage, but do something special like blow up or disable you or throw fire, or snipe you from across the map

[spice veldt]

you are not one-shotting gunners with the trauma

not unless you roll a crit and have other buffs up

[hushed idol]

beef cake normal enemy or special enemy / disabler

[modern island]

thats the explanation that works for my brain

so muties are specialists

[obtuse moth]

yep

[spice veldt]

either way, remarking on single-target damage is quite disingenuous

and I can extend the same argument to trauma

[obtuse moth]

oh also snipers are specialists

[modern island]

are minibosses specialists? or those are monstrosities

[spice veldt]

trauma has dogshit single-target DPS

[cold oasis]

So what, do i have to say that it's shit for hordes too?

[obtuse moth]

they all have audio cues

[bleak tulip]

the latter

[obtuse moth]

monstrosities

[cold oasis]

Since you can't just go around hoping to christ that mobs die to soulflame

[spice veldt]

in what world is purg bad for hordes?

[cold oasis]

before they attack oyu once?

[hushed idol]

purgatator takes way too long to do the same thing other staves can do, not to mention it's competing with smite and assail for peril usage

[spice veldt]

consider getting the Kill Tracker mod

because evidently your ability to observe is quite shit

[bleak tulip]

turn the kill streak thing on too

youll see

[cold oasis]

^ It's fucking pointless, people just don't get this

[modern island]

every zombie (nurgling? heretic?) with a special audio cue is a specialist, every markable zombie that doesnt have a specific cue is an elite

[hushed idol]

compared to other options, you're just wasting time

[spice veldt]

you also don't get that soulblaze continues to tick on enemies even after you stop flaming them

and you can just go run ahead while the soulblaze ticks

[obtuse moth]

tbh with power creep i find a lot of people kill the stuff im burning before i get the kill on kill tracker

[viscid matrix]

Elites:

• Crushers/Bulwarks/Reapers
• Scab/Dreg Gunners
• Scab/Dreg Shotgunners
• Scab/Dreg Ragers
• Scab Maulers

Specialists:

• Poxburster
• Scab/Dreg Flamers
• Scab Bomber
• Scab Sniper
• Scab Trapper
• Mutants
• Poxhounds

[obtuse moth]

esp assail players lel

[modern island]

brother i have 20 hours in i dont know what the names are yet

[cold oasis]

Cool, and then you risk those same mobs attacking you

Like really, it's shit

[bleak tulip]

but its all so shiny and glowy how can I not shard all over it

[hushed idol]

20 hours and you don't actively read everytime someone else kill steals a special

[cold oasis]

You just need to keep shooting the same mobs two hours, because you can't just ignite it, and go away

or that shit hits you from behind

[modern island]

i know one runs at me and the other one explodes and one has a shotgun and the other one has axes and that guy has a rope fetish

[cold oasis]

But hey, if we're talking Malice sure

Purgatus OP.

[obtuse moth]

i think so? elites are usually already in the map roaming or pulled in by a horde

[spice veldt]

just run ahead? You move 5-6 m/s with the duelling sword if you're bringing that with the purg

[obtuse moth]

if you get separated from the group, the director won't spawn elites to punish you. they spawn specialists and monstrosities... altho not sure DT director does that with bosses the way VT2 did

[modern island]

is assail OP?

[cold oasis]

yes

[modern island]

ive played it a bunch and it genuenly didnt seem that impressive maybe im plauing it wrong

[cold oasis]

Oh yeah, mobs don't fucking like to do a 9801723127km slide to hit you, my bad

[modern island]

maybe cause im not actually level 30 yet

[obtuse moth]

you do want to build for it, but you can left click your way through damnation aka lvl 5 missions with no gear using assail

[bleak tulip]

my guy you literally get a sound que to press the dodge key to

[obtuse moth]

dueling sword can outslide mobs fine

[cold oasis]

... fuck me you guys really are trying to get any fucking excuse

[modern island]

god the dueling sword is so boring and so strong

[cold oasis]

"oh it's eays, use the purgatus with assail"

[modern island]

why cant the dueling sword just be the chainsword

[spice veldt]

we didn't even bring the assail up tho in the context of the purg usage

you're the one who just did lol

[modern island]

i wan the chainsword to be the strongest thing everywhere >:(

[wet belfry]

Your opinion is wrong and invalid.

Dueling sword is fun

[umbral jetty]

Looking for critiques on build Intending to put warm nexus/flurry/surge (whichever i find first) on the voidstrike

[modern island]

running fast is great dont get me wrong but chainsword go brr

[wet belfry]

I do wish to be witch hunter captain in the 40k millenium.

[obtuse moth]

chainsword has a running fast blessing doesn't it?

its fun

[cold oasis]

That's not the point i was making, the point is that you can't just "oh equip a Dueling sword for OP dodge distance so shit that don't die and you have to wait 2/3 seconds to die will not hit you"

[spice veldt]

reeeeeeev it up

[cold oasis]

it's a stupid argument.

[obtuse moth]

you rev it up and go zoomies

[umbral jetty]

Current intention is to abuse bubble until its fixed

[spice veldt]

yeah except I remarked on its sprint speed

do you even read

[cold oasis]

Leaving shit alive, hoping it dies it's not a thing tha works on Auric

[spice veldt]

yes it does

[acoustic seal]

Did a whole mission only got 16 elites with maximum warp charges with brain burst. This is gonna be a very long road.

[obtuse moth]

you can just left click stagger anything that wants to hit you on purge

[cold oasis]

You do not only risk getting yourself hit, but your party too

[obtuse moth]

it works fine on auric

[spice veldt]

well it's pubs

[cold oasis]

Cool, or use any other staves and actually kill it.

[bleak tulip]

in fact on auric it gets more valuable by the sheer amount of shit there is to kill

[umbral jetty]

I've had success with purg on auric damnation. But I do a lot of work to try to empower the burn..

[obtuse moth]

it works fine, its just a room clearer rather than a single target staff

[umbral jetty]

unless I am mistaken and this isnt a thing anymore... power increases up burn damage

[obtuse moth]

it has tons of range, way more than it looks like

[cold oasis]

Like i'm 100% sure you guys are confusing Purgatus strenght, with your team actual strenght

[obtuse moth]

the only exception is it also does well on monstrosities

[cold oasis]

The second you get an incompetent team, the Purgatus does fuck all

[cold oasis]

Oh that i agree

[hushed idol]

the only useful form of stun/cc is suppression, putting a dot on enemies especially hordes is dumb because they die so easy anyway

[cold oasis]

Like in my last game i could've said the Purgatus was passable, but it's a lie

The Vet i had in team was actually good.

[hushed idol]

leaving enemies alive longer means risking a heat which results in permanent damage and can lose the game

[umbral jetty]

I feel like its an issue of comparing purgatus to other options you could have taken... but the weapon carries its weight and performs its function

[wet belfry]

Purgatus needs someone at front of it to soak aggro.

[cyan notch]

what is risking a heat

[cold oasis]

And if you want CC, just use Smite even with just spamming the right click

[modern island]

why do you have empathic evasion

[hushed idol]

bah, risking an attack, my bad

[obtuse moth]

its like none of you ever played with flamer zealots

[modern island]

i dunno man i crit pretty often

[obtuse moth]

this is wild

[wet belfry]

Because anything bigger then a groaner or poxwalker will get through the stagger and begin hitting the purgatus user.

[cold oasis]

They simply do not get it. And i honestly don't know what to do anymore

[umbral jetty]

flamer on zealot can kill crushers

[spice veldt]

the existence of better options doesn't make the purg a "garbage" weapon

[umbral jetty]

with chastise

[bleak tulip]

the crit isnt the problem

[hushed idol]

flamer zealot is good because there is not a lot of other options for CC on zealot, which is great

[umbral jetty]

most of my psyker games are with purgatus, but I think its disingenuous to compare it to flamer on zealot

[cold oasis]

Yes it does, if you risk the game by leaving shit alive

[hushed idol]

but psyker has like two subclasses dedicated to CC, so the CC staff better be cooking with something

flamethrowers have always been mid in tide games tho

[cold oasis]

If you're team is good enough that purgatus doesn't matter, then you could run with only melee and nothing changes

[obtuse moth]

the point is that flamer was incredibly effective and a DoT based weapon doesn't make a weapon bad. only the strength of the DoT application

[spice veldt]

i mean if you're leaving stuff like ragers/maulers alive, that's on the player

but if it's just trash mobs, then who cares

[cold oasis]

No it's not ragers and Maulers

It's even just random ass ranged minions that you flame for the enteir duration

and think "oh they'll die, it's cool"

[obtuse moth]

the cc staves are trauma and surge tbh

[cold oasis]

but they don't.

[summer prairie]

purg is good, trauma is good, surge is good, void is good

[cold oasis]

and they start shooting.

[spice veldt]

sounds like a player issue

[summer prairie]

facts

[wet belfry]

Purgatus is a shit CC staff.

[cold oasis]

Yeah sure

[cyan notch]

they die in like one charge though

[spice veldt]

seems like a case of you confusing your dislike for pub purg teammates for the dislike of the staff itself

[hushed idol]

maybe i'm stupid but flamethrower is always CC

[wet belfry]

If you think of purgatus as CC you severly misunderstand what it does.

[viscid matrix]

you high??? it staggers all enemies in close range to you and anyone who gets burned

[wet belfry]

Its horde DPS pure and simple.

It only staggers for a short period.

[hushed idol]

when i say cc i mean horde clear

[cyan notch]

horde dps and more

[hushed idol]

you have to admit, assail and purg both use peril and assail just does it's job so much better

[viscid matrix]

stagger is still cc, cause it stops all shooting and melee

[plucky flax]

Very heated argument.

[cold oasis]

If you full charge it on top of them sure, but 90% of the time you're just wailing around hoping to not get hit by the 9019283012 other mobs on the screen. And even then, usually they have time to shoot 1 or twice while the dot finishes them

[wet belfry]

Its better to CC with pure melee to give room rather then CC with purgatus.

[summer prairie]

how long you charge doesn't matter

[wet belfry]

Pulling aggro > small stagger for circa 1s.

[cold oasis]

? The longer you charge,the more you flame

[umbral jetty]

My primary issue with purgatus is that venting shriek is unreliable .. Verticality makes it weird.

[spice veldt]

there is negligible downtime after each cast

[summer prairie]

and then you start again

go time frames

[spice veldt]

and you may just want to spam early casts for warp flurry

[obtuse moth]

you can indefinitely stumble a pack of shields maulers and crushers with left click spam, i'd prefer to use purge than melee and get the entire pack stagger locked and burning to death

[hushed idol]

purg is great if you build around single target / elite clear and you need horde clear so you don't get overwhelmed

[spice veldt]

or to take advantage of the interruptible nature of the cast

[summer prairie]

and if you spend less time charging you start applying dots sooner

[umbral jetty]

purg starts to stand out when the enemy density gets higher, or there are a large number of gunners

[cyan notch]

i think thats just you tbh

[hushed idol]

but since psyker specializes in horde clear, using your secondary slot to cover your bases is better for MOST builds tbh

[viscid matrix]

spam secondary really quick to get 5 stacks then start full charge secondary

[cyan notch]

you dont use purg on gunners

[umbral jetty]

people say its only effective at close range, but its not true...

[sour bison]

Trauma and void are just better

[umbral jetty]

yeah, but purg is still good. i think most people just play it wrong

[spice veldt]

i don't disagree

[hushed idol]

void is crazy good, it's hard to compete with