psyker-class

[gusty furnace]

because Trauma staff always hits the body

Another "Why the fuck would fatshark plug this onto the other staffs" blessing

[cinder mesa]

truly

[still hearth]

Because the primary is technically a shitty voidstrike ball

Not even a joke

[gilded viper]

I wonder if you can still get weakspot damage on purge lol

[gusty furnace]

No.

[cinder mesa]

its nice to use as a sniping tool with a surge staff if im running smite

[still hearth]

You can definitely roll it.

[gusty furnace]

Fire/bleed counts as body shots.

[still hearth]

It just does nothing.

Except on your uh

Special swings

[gusty furnace]

Fatshark is chronically incapable of designing well made systems.

[gilded viper]

I'm aware, I just remember rolling a purge that had a +weakspot damage quality on it

[still hearth]

I mean some of the stuff they do is good in a vacuum

But then they don't balance around the way the system works

And it's like????

[cinder mesa]

i do like the new surge staff, even if they feel a wee bit weak in raw DPS. The "ignoring armour" utility of it and to sorta snipe makes it an excellent complement to smite I find

[gusty furnace]

Surge Staff got a massive nerf

which is kinda funny

[gilded viper]

It also still stuns the hell outa crushers which is nice

[shy pewter]

I've been enjoying using the surge staff more than pre-patch

[gusty furnace]

It used to be the best staff on Melee Only maelstrums

[still hearth]

It's only weak because Voidstrike and Trauma got buffed to the skies

[gusty furnace]

But the three target cap(Two?) hamstrings it massively

[cinder mesa]

i use it to big enemy kill basically if im not going around smiting and hitting smited enemies
On that note, when does one EVER left click with Smite?

[gilded viper]

same, regardless of how "nerfed" it is, I enjoy it

[gusty furnace]

with the mauler/crusher spam

It doesn't have enough damage for the target cap it has.

[still hearth]

Never.

[gusty furnace]

Which is pain.

[still hearth]

It is literally a worse right click.

[cinder mesa]

I end up mostly looping doing a charged shot and then letting them get knocked back if im not just holding zap, so everyone else can clean up if zap doesnt kill

[still hearth]

100% just worse

But its slightly faster so

Technically if you want to like

Quickly sap one guy as you run up

It's better

[slow raven]

left click is good when you need to stagger something fast

[still hearth]

I've used it to close in on trappers

And dogs

But that's about it

[cinder mesa]

but i cant tell if looping charged smite or just holding charged smite down is max DPS

[slow raven]

you just click and release right away

[cinder mesa]

knockback effect aside on release and redoing it

[slow raven]

and it staggers them way faster than the right click can

[still hearth]

There's no DPS with Smite lmao

[slow raven]

good for an emergency poxburster knockback

[still hearth]

And it ramps up so

[slow raven]

or if a dog is about to pounce

[still hearth]

If you want max "DPS"

You want to hold it as much as you can

[cinder mesa]

gotcha, so loop charged for utility knockback more

also easy to slap with melee after doing so

[gilded viper]

smite really isn't for dps, which is a shame cause I love the popping enemies

[still hearth]

Empowered SMite just needs to be

+1000% damage

At normal peril values

Lets go

It will still struggle to kill things

[steel egret]

You can play sedition where it probably is dps

[cinder mesa]

This is what Ive gone with personally, not sure what ill spend the last points on when i get them. With surge and then a fast melee or something like chainsword or such which shreds monstrosity DPS has been my lvling gear strat

I play Malice typically after like, lvl 10 or so

(already have 30 Ogryn)

[still hearth]

Never pick the left shriek node

[gilded viper]

yah but nobody argues the power of things on stuff below damnation, which is kinda where knowing how to make a build starts to matter.

[still hearth]

It's absolute dogshit

[gusty furnace]

All of my classes are level 90-300

I haven't touched malice or heresy in aaaaaaaaaages

[still hearth]

Just don't take a node if you don't take the soulblaze one

[steel egret]

True

[cinder mesa]

damn, that sucks. I could potentially take the other soulblaze perks with it tho if im using that too

but idk if worth it without purgatus

[subtle flame]

is uncanny strike good on the mkv dueling sword?

[spice veldt]

ye

[still hearth]

6 stacks of soulblaze will oneshot a horde while 200 damage doesn't even do half of poxwalker's HP.

[spice veldt]

it's the best blessing to take on the duelling swords currently

[gilded viper]

I personally have stopped using shriek on purge since shield just is way safer

[still hearth]

Idk why they have those things.

[cinder mesa]

10/10 balance

[subtle flame]

shop funny

[still hearth]

Oh

And

The damage scales down

Because your peril goes down

[cinder mesa]

i just like it for smite to zap even more lol

[still hearth]

So you'll only do 200 damage to those in your face

[subtle flame]

how does one use the dueling sword?

[cinder mesa]

locking down an entire arena for a squad by just holding right click and swinging aim around is hilarious

[still hearth]

Stab big enemies

[gilded viper]

Yah smite is so peril hungry, great combo with shriek

[gusty furnace]

MkIV dueling sword and stab things in the face

That's it.

There is no other use for it.

[subtle flame]

soooo its good that i got uncany but save it for the mkiv?

[gusty furnace]

Correct.

[subtle flame]

whats the difference between v and iv?

[gusty furnace]

Heavy attacks.

MkV has low armor damage heavy attacks that are vertical slices.

MkIV has stabs with stupidly high damage modifiers on everything in the game.

With 2 warp charges you can oneshot mutants

Maybe one warp charge?

[subtle flame]

so not great for hoards?

[gilded viper]

i don't think 4% breaks

[gusty furnace]

Correct.

That's what your staff is for.

Trauma, preferably.

Voidstrike isn't actually all that amazing at dealing with hordes.

It needs doorways.

Trauma just asks enemies to exist in close proximity.

[gilded viper]

Trauma or purge, love me some purge staff

[still hearth]

You definitely need more than one warp charge

[gilded viper]

Anyone recall if force sword is "warp damage"

[still hearth]

When charged yes

[subtle flame]

what stats do you want on a mark iv?

[gusty furnace]

I run +25% maniac on mine

FWIW

But yeah, might be more than one warp charge

[gusty furnace]

But you can reliably and repeatably one-shot mutants with mkiv dueling sword

that was the ogryn leaking out

[subtle flame]

i see this in melks, im not lvl 30, should i not even bother?

[still hearth]

With max peril bonus damage and one warp charge it works

[gusty furnace]

Nope

Don't ever buy from milkman until you're level 30

Same with hadron

[spice veldt]

the mk4 has notably better heavies than the other two duelling swords for some reason, presumably because they didn't buff the other two properly with the recent patches

[gusty furnace]

don't ever use her until you're level 30

Just a waste of resources

[vagrant frigate]

PLEASE UPGRADE WELL

[subtle flame]

whats the important stats for mk iv?

[gusty furnace]

these

[vagrant frigate]

THOSE RIGHT THERE MF

[gusty furnace]

cleave damage is the dump stat

[spice veldt]

only Damage and Finesse, really

[subtle flame]

i wish you luck

[spice veldt]

but yeah Cleave Damage would be the stat that I would dump between mobility and pen if I could

[gusty furnace]

This is my mkiv sword

[vagrant frigate]

Bro not even that bad of an upgrade

[gusty furnace]

literally perfect

Bump uncanny to tier 4

[vagrant frigate]

how many does lmb hit?

[gusty furnace]

melee crit chance to +25% maniac

2 cleave

[subtle flame]

howare you hitting 3 eneimes? i cant spell damnit

[gusty furnace]

Push attacks

they have 6 cleave

[vagrant frigate]

shove

shove attack

[gusty furnace]

Block then hold mouse button 1

that's a shove attack

[vagrant frigate]

bro i have no more money

that was my last one

[subtle flame]

how does cleave work numbers wise?

[gusty furnace]

the pain

[gusty furnace]

enemies have hitmass

cleave is how much hitmass you can hit

[subtle flame]

meaning like as a stat

you saidf 6

[cinder mesa]

if 6 enemies have 1 hitmass, you can hit 6 enemies til nothing happens, is the stupid version

[subtle flame]

also whats the point of the special attack on these sowrds?

[spice veldt]

stagger

[spice veldt]

the specials don't do that much damage

in practice, you use the special only against ragers really

[gusty furnace]

Either cleave damage doesn't affect cleave on dueling swords

[spice veldt]

there's some use against crushers/bulwarks

[gusty furnace]

or the website isn't up to date up to date yet

[spice veldt]

Cleave Damage is just a really bad name

[gusty furnace]

muties

you can special attack their face and stop them in their tracks

Which is funny

[spice veldt]

the stat only affects Unarmoured/Infested/Flak armour modifiers

yeah though that's a meme unless you're in a tight corridor

[gusty furnace]

True

but its also a niche use-case

[spice veldt]

at least with crushers you can just do it as a quicky and to build up uncanny strike stacks

because the h1 has a fast followup from the special so there's no dps loss anyways

or well, very very marginal dps loss

i wonder what name I would change "Cleave Damage" to

it used to confuse the hell out of me

[gusty furnace]

Penetration

[spice veldt]

true

[gusty furnace]

cause that's what its changing on MKIV sword

[still hearth]

Mutants tho

[near gale]

Oh God... I am thinking about finally delving into the psyker's skill tree... I was going to put it off for longer, but, I want to see what I can do. :/

[spice veldt]

the fact that there are two stats that change armour modifiers

[gusty furnace]

Why the mkiv sword has two penetration stats, I'll never know.

[still hearth]

I mean you can hopefully one-shot mutants

[vagrant frigate]

theres no way i just rolled a nearly perfect mk4 holy shit

[still hearth]

But its stylish to stagger them

[vagrant frigate]

look at this mf

[spice veldt]

show off to your pub teammates

[subtle flame]

does distrupt destiny just not highlight at all rn?

[gusty furnace]

let me just rain on your parade real quick

[gusty furnace]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

YOU CHANGED THE WRONG PERK

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[spice veldt]

it works most of the time

[still hearth]

It's bugged for some people

[vagrant frigate]

why would i keep flak

[gusty furnace]

YOU WANTED TO KEEP FLAK

For ragers

[vagrant frigate]

why?

[gusty furnace]

you can oneshot flak ragers with a headshot

[still hearth]

I've played with it twice and its always been there

[gusty furnace]

And you just threw that away

[vagrant frigate]

i already do

[still hearth]

Crit chance kinda bad too

[vagrant frigate]

bro

[gusty furnace]

Straight into the dumpster

[vagrant frigate]

i already 1shot ragers

[subtle flame]

bit of an overreaction dont you think?..

[gusty furnace]

I mean, yeah.

But that's a real boneheaded decision

[gilded viper]

I haven’t actually made a trauma build come to think of it, any fun ones?

[vagrant frigate]

nah bruh

[spice veldt]

I'd take crit chance over flak

[vagrant frigate]

i run warp charges

[spice veldt]

cuz ragers are whatever

[near gale]

Are all 3 psyker career skills good?

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, you need 20% flak damage and 5 warp charges to one-shot flak ragers with a headshot

on mkiv sword

So yeah

you made a really bad decision is all I'm saying

[vagrant frigate]

oh i just realized

lol its fineee

[gusty furnace]

Something to apply for later

[still hearth]

Scrier isn't great but you can work it into some builds if you really want to

[near gale]

I am thinking about trying Assail or Smite for my blitz skill on my 1st build

[gusty furnace]

always, always, always try to take two damage stats

[spice veldt]

for scab ragers, but ragers aren't really that much of a threat as they are right now

[gusty furnace]

over crit chance, stamina and the like

[vagrant frigate]

i like crit chance though

i run max crit lol

[spice veldt]

I'd take a crit chance + carapace duelling sword into melee maelstrom

[gilded viper]

Shriek is okay if you’re peril hungry as it’s the only ult that can save you from exploding, shield is fantastic at it’s job, dome for toughness regen and double shield for staggering, scrier’s is in a weird spot, but is good with both guns and voidstrike staff

[still hearth]

And shield is bugged with warp charges (good) scrier's is also bugged with warp charges (bad)

[wet belfry]

Scriers is actually awful right now

[still hearth]

It has a very limited use case where it's actually not terrible

[indigo portal]

The Scriers Assail w/ Handcannon shenanigans thing rn is so goofy.

[atomic forum]

it feels super awkward to me but i gotta use it more

[still hearth]

But for most psyker builds its pretty garbage.

[wet belfry]

You sacrifice alot of talent points for an abillty that hardly works.

[still hearth]

If you want to use peril at all its basically unusable.

[wet belfry]

When the abillty does get activated it becomes extremely difficult to use any peril.

[spice veldt]

it's a funny ult where you want to use it before engagements and not during

10/10 ult design

[near gale]

What Keystone works well with Assail? I kind of want to try Disrupt Destiny or Empowered Psionics... but Warp Siphon is closer to what we used to have and looks safe

[gusty furnace]

this is what I'm using right now

[indigo portal]

You only really need 2-3 points for Scrier's. Same as the other ults.

[gusty furnace]

is ok

[still hearth]

Empowered is the way to go if you want to use it as your primary.

[gilded viper]

Empowered psionics is amazing with assail

[gusty furnace]

I don't really want to like. . . actually try and solve psyker

[still hearth]

But Warp Charges is good for overall play.

[wet belfry]

Ye expect it has way less impact, enforces negatives during its period.

[spice veldt]

Empowered Psionics is the way to go with Assail

[gilded viper]

Disrupt Destiny is bugged in that you sometimes can’t see your mark, but overall isn’t bad

[spice veldt]

a little more damage, a little more weakspot damage, and double the targets hit

[near gale]

Do I want to fully specialize into the entire empowered psionics tree?

[still hearth]

You defintiely want 3 charges for assail

I mean you could probably do without if you really spam it 24/7

But its nice to have 3 empowered shots

[near gale]

Hm... the 12.5% chance on kill looks tempting, but, the guaranted chance on elite kill looks like it would be better for higher difficulties...

[atomic forum]

my experience is: disrupt destiny can be fun but the extra damage on the knives isn't needed that much and the destiny stuff is annoying. warp charges if you aren't expending them allow for consistent damage and less peril which is great for consistency. but imo empowered is the best in my experience because the empowered assails hit 6 targets on top of everything else, which is a better way to make more use of assail than more damage

[gilded viper]

What do I want on a trauma staff? Anything new?

Do I still want rending with nexus or flurry?

[near gale]

The only thing I really regret about having the assail blitz skill is that I can't get Psykinetic's Aura...

[atomic forum]

having it be on every single elite kill is a nice consistency to that side imo. i tried playing some with the left side one but the extra random empowered assails usually happen to be when i don't really 'need' assail anyway. (i personally only use it when there's tons of gunners and riflemen and stuff)

[gilded viper]

Assail doesn’t do anything to heavier armored enemies, but stuff like ragers and gunners it melts

[atomic forum]

yeah no psykinetic aura is kinda sad, but i guess kind of in some way helps balance assail?

[safe monolith]

jeez

[near gale]

Yeah, so I will want a melee weapon or staff that can do it instead if I get tons of crushers.

[safe monolith]

all these numbers

[spice veldt]

struggles against maulers/crushers/bulwarks/monstronsities/mutants but that's it

[safe monolith]

too bad i dont read em

[atomic forum]

anything i can't assail i can stab with duelling sword. and i use purgatus for hordes

[near gale]

What about Smite? What is it good against?

[safe monolith]

i just use what feels right and seems to have the best effect in overall gameplay

[atomic forum]

smite is CC

[still hearth]

Saving from wipes

[safe monolith]

crowd control and stun

[subtle flame]

whats the best blitz to run with warp charge?

[still hearth]

Assail

I mean its just

[primal radish]

did they remove peril cost on force sword push2?

[gilded viper]

Trauma staff is the way to go or surge can cc, just limited amount of targets if you go that way

[near gale]

And then brain rupture is the thing we used to have? <.<'

[still hearth]

Always Assail

Regardless of your keystone

[safe monolith]

i actually dont use keystones, they dont have much of an effect as far as ive been able to tell.

[gusty furnace]

Ayo /s

[gilded viper]

I still like brain burst on my purge build

[spice veldt]

it doesn't cost peril if it doesn't hit an enemy, but it does cost peril if you hit an enemy with it

[safe monolith]

lol

3 minute peril quelling

[gusty furnace]

I already have a funny low quell speed one

[atomic forum]

honestly not far off from my current staff and i'm liking it lol

[gilded viper]

I mean, holy fuck, that quell speed, but otherwise… i guess it’s a shame burn and cloud aren’t higher

[gusty furnace]

and a decent purg

[primal radish]

o ok

[atomic forum]

purgatus quell speed doesn't really feel that slow

[gusty furnace]

There's also a few talents that buff quell speed

that you're probably just gonna grab incidentally

[still hearth]

Isn't there literally only one

[subtle flame]

does quell speed matter?

[gusty furnace]

that burn stat hurts

[gilded viper]

That’s a pretty low burn

[still hearth]

Aren't the rest peril generation reduction

[safe monolith]

yeah

[gusty furnace]

There's one that makes you have no speed reduction while quelling

which is actually really nice to have for quality of life

[safe monolith]

but i can spray and then smite em down

[gusty furnace]

a lot easier to dodge sliding quelling

[safe monolith]

then spray em again

[gusty furnace]

when you can start out regular speed

[subtle flame]

do you use charge or spam on purge?

[still hearth]

Yeah but that's not buffing quell speed

[gusty furnace]

charge

[gilded viper]

There’s one low on the tree for 30% faster quelling

[safe monolith]

i hold lmb

[gusty furnace]

spam is only good for stagger

ragers, mostly.

Sometimes bulwarks

[gilded viper]

Yah spam is for staggering hounds

Charge is to kill

[gusty furnace]

Just dodge hounds

[safe monolith]

its great for bursters

[still hearth]

It works on poxbursters now too

[gusty furnace]

they're actually dodgeable now

[safe monolith]

bursters die when they fall over

for no discernable reason

[gilded viper]

Bursters got nerfed so hard, but they aren’t practically a death sentence now

[safe monolith]

it doesnt even count as a kill

[still hearth]

It does

[safe monolith]

not when i knock them over

they just blow up on their own

[still hearth]

You literally get kill credit and on-kill triggers

As long as you pushed them

[safe monolith]

doesnt show in kill feed

[gilded viper]

They’re supposed to blow up when you push them

[still hearth]

It does

[safe monolith]

it didnt

[spice veldt]

it usually does for me

[gilded viper]

Then your killfeed bugged idk

[safe monolith]

has not for me

[spice veldt]

you'll notice it on vet since you regenerate toughness from it if you take that talent

[safe monolith]

probably

[still hearth]

And ammo

[safe monolith]

fat shark fix ur shit

[spice veldt]

but yeah the killfeed is bugged at times

[shy pewter]

push poxies definitely gives you cred

Surge staff + assail feels really good, idc what anyone says. Just finished a run with it, smooth as butter

[gilded viper]

Good luck with that, we’re getting a pet class in Vermintide in a week, can’t wait to see how that goes

[still hearth]

I love the new Surge staff

[gilded viper]

Just ignore the surge haters

[still hearth]

I wish they'd just add the split damage to the second target to the primary one and just make it not bounce

Why does it even bounce

???

Just make it pure single target

[spice veldt]

make it a quake lightning gun

[shy pewter]

I dont hate the bounce, having a jump gives you just enough cc to keep the field under control

[still hearth]

Ehhh.

[spice veldt]

gib psyker a staff that isn't mechanically peepee poopoo

[still hearth]

Yeah like the Vraks 3

Give Psyker the Vraks 3 as a staff

[idle bay]

But we already have Vraks 3 !

Only downside - we can't put free Rending from skill nodes on it

But class who is nagging about being nerfed into the ground have it... and still complaining 🙂

[spice veldt]

i want my Vraks III Trauma Force Staff

and my Vraks III Voidstrike Force Staff

and my Vraks III Purgatus Force Staff

[cinder mesa]

I sense a pattern here

[spice veldt]

and my Vraks III Surge Force Staff

much to think about

[idle bay]

And Acctran Recon Vla Force Staff with Infernus T4 and Headhuhter T4

[tired estuary]

I want gorgonum staff

[idle bay]

And with Flashlight on special

[spice veldt]

whew now we can't have everything can we

[tired estuary]

Flashlight smite to prevent team from seeing anything

[idle bay]

Why not? Let's bloat item pool 🙂

[idle bay]

With mandatory fog effect, and flashbang effect like in Witchfire from assassins

[tired estuary]

It should make an annoying clicky noise like in dead by daylight too

[brazen warren]

vraks mk3 head hunter seems like it would be a good pick for unyielding/boss damage as gunker

can confirm, if the burst crits its a 1 burst on a ogryn gunner lol

[kind jay]

we need fallen rejects as enemies. they should be able to use shit like assail and frag bomb on us

i want to suffer

[idle bay]

I'm playing my zealot in most heretical way possible - just slaying everything with Vraks MK 3 outgunning vets and assail psykerks in the team 🙂

[unique mist]

just say you want pvp/soulslike invasions and be done with it lol

[kind jay]

oh god no

[near gale]

... does this just let me infinitely chain brain rupture as long as I keep getting an elite kill each time?

[brazen warren]

if I have the time to charge it up, my mk3 is hitting for 4k in a single burst. seems good for boss dps

[idle bay]

Yes but first stack you need to get with weapons.

[near gale]

It was giving me the 1st stack, at least in the meat grinder, when I used brain rupture on a scab gunner. :/

[unique mist]

you dont

just get a kill with unempowered brain rupture lol

[idle bay]

Impossible - vet see that blue glow as target mark and pop it before you do 🙂

[unique mist]

don't let arc see, he'll tell you it's the best talent on psyker rn

but it is a good talent by itself

[near gale]

[unique mist]

especially with the elite density in higher difficulty missions

[spice veldt]

i didn't see it

can somebody snitch

[unique mist]

and it adds some much needed aoe to brain burst

it was about your favourite perk

[near gale]

I really like the +10% elite/special damage aura

[spice veldt]

perilous combustion?

[unique mist]

+15 toughness

yeah lol

[near gale]

What is this that you speak of?

[spice veldt]

hmmm

what to believe

who to believe

much to think about

[near gale]

Yes perilous combustion

[spice veldt]

anyways perilous combustion good

[kind jay]

isn't the elite aura bugged?

[near gale]

I was thinking about using brain rupture, with that, with overpowering souls

[near gale]

It makes my brain rupture do more damage to maulers, at the very least

1095 with it, 957 without it

[kind jay]

sounds about right

carry on then

[near gale]

Geeze... with Kinetic Resonance and Empowered Psionics I can charge brain rupture* in ~1 second :/

[north cradle]

I should have taken Assail to the Ventilation Purge. This sucks.

[gilded viper]

What blessings do I want on Trauma staff?

[gusty furnace]

Infested should be maniac or 5% crit chance

to taste

but alas, RNG is what it is

[gilded viper]

why blazing?

[gusty furnace]

Turn room blue

And it feeds into warp charges

[spice veldt]

some combination of Rending Shockwave/Warp Flurry/Focused Channeling/Blazing Spirit (with True Aim) or what puri has

i'd only bring a rending trauma to a melee maelstrom at best though

[gusty furnace]

This is the other trauma staff

Its more for teamplay, but since nobody knows you have rending shockwave, its not very useful

[near gale]

With Assail is the 12.5% chance of empowered psionics better than the guaranteed on elite kill one? It seems like it might be killing trash quite a bit, from the way it bounces and such

[bleak tulip]

if youre only gonna use assail sure I guess

[near gale]

I do have both ethereal shards and quick shards

[spice veldt]

if you're using it as your main weapon, then it's fine

[gusty furnace]

God I can't wait until Assail is nerfed

[spice veldt]

but the shards on elite will provide more value over a match

[gusty furnace]

"if you're using it as your main weapon" should never be the state of a G ability

[spice veldt]

I personally like Lodestone myself

[spice veldt]

totally healthy

[gusty furnace]

60 seconds for 8 shards should be what it is

[bleak tulip]

*thinks back to release gameplay of every psyker only using BB nothing else*

ah yes

[gusty furnace]

is all I'm gonna say

[gusty furnace]

That's because all of the staffs sucked

Trauma costed 55% peril for one charge

[near gale]

What about empowered psionics w/ brain rupture w/ guaranteed charge on elite kill w/ kinetic resonance? That can be used pretty well as a main weapon, until the bs is in your face <.<'

[gusty furnace]

Voidstrike did nothing to everything

Purgatus staff made everyone reeeeee and leave the game

[near gale]

I'm joking, btw

[gusty furnace]

and surge staff just tickled 6 things

That was when everyone was using BB as their primary weapon

Months and months ago, and OH LOOK, fatshark buffed/fixed staffs

so people could actually, gasp, use them as their primary weapon

So assail getting dumpstered into an emergency anti-horde removal tool would be totally fine

people would just have to use their staffs again

[near gale]

Personally I am kind of more interested in Brain Rupture than Assail, right now

[spice veldt]

i'd make it a quickswap weapon with 3 max charges or so

[lethal lagoon]

Eh, a top tier surge staff did really well when paired with illy, they complimented each other.

[spice veldt]

you can burst through 3 charges if you want, but there's an actual penalty for it

[gusty furnace]

This is my trauma/bb tree for psyker

[bleak tulip]

bro put that one toughness node into peril block

[gusty furnace]

I use the MkIV dueling sword

[gusty furnace]

and trauma staff

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bleak tulip]

we dont all have to be arco with 200 toughness

[gusty furnace]

Blocking isn't exactly my forte

I uh

actually have shit tier toughness

[cinder mesa]

personally i like being able to use my staff for the role my G or weapon doesnt satisfy, like surge or void for armoured targets if not using brain burst

[gusty furnace]

No toughness curios

[lethal lagoon]

Why the point in the push skill? Seems a waste even compared to 15 toughness or 5% toughness DR

[north cradle]

My pre-patch Brain Burst build will go fuck itself now

[bleak tulip]

peril block is so fuckin dope to have for pubs

since people will fall over

[gusty furnace]

This one?

[lethal lagoon]

I ran that too. Something so satisfying about topping the scoreboard with BB.

Both.

[gusty furnace]

It doubles down on this

and warpcharge gain for killing enemies affected by soulblaze

I can set a bunch of things on fire, vent 50% peril

and immediately get all 6 warpcharges back by killing them with the trauma staff

[near gale]

I feel like Assail should do less damage to flak enemies than it does, to balance out how well it can murdicate specials...

[lethal lagoon]

Is the DPS actually worth it though? Seems like most things die too fast for soulblaze?

[bleak tulip]

its not great against flak already, you really gotta spam it

[gusty furnace]

Its not about the soulblaze dps

its about warpcharges

[cinder mesa]

and armoured itll just bounce right off lol

[gusty furnace]

The soulblaze just facilitates spending and gaining warpcharges

[lethal lagoon]

But you wouldn't lose warp charges if you didn't push?

[gusty furnace]

Or

I could spam trauma staff for literally ever

and never worry about peril

[lethal lagoon]

Oh, does the push come back fast enough?

[gusty furnace]

and get all of my warpcharges back

Yeah

[cinder mesa]

the push also vents peril

[lethal lagoon]

Ooo, now that sounds interesting.

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, the push vents 50% peril

[lethal lagoon]

Do you combat ability CD on curios?

[cinder mesa]

and decreases gain

[gusty furnace]

A 100% peril venting shriek knocks crushers out of their overhead

too

same with maulers

[lethal lagoon]

Eh, peril generation decrease = toughness gen decrease. But if push is coming back fast enough you can just spam trauma, that sounds fun.

[gusty furnace]

Its a bunch of different utility actions wrapped up in one ultimate

[gusty furnace]

I gain toughness on warp attack kill

trauma staff means I gain something like 75% toughness per 100% charge attack

If it really comes down it

[bleak tulip]

never not be killing, if theres nothing to kill there is no reason to have toughness

[gusty furnace]

^

[spice veldt]

god bless soulstealer for being slapped into the skill tree without being nerfed

[near gale]

Also: Did they finally nerf the Illisi? >.>

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, the whole talent selection actually makes sense

Its just

Not assail

so everyone that's new is like "Huh?"

[bleak tulip]

toughness on generate and vent are training wheels tbh, you only really need regen on warp kill if youre running staves

[gusty furnace]

Its just old Ascendant Blaze Psyker

Not that that means anything to new players

[lethal lagoon]

Or the ability to play way more agressive.

[plucky flax]

Yeah enemy hp buff and slaughterer nerf.

[spice veldt]

i like my warp absorption and my psychic communion

[bleak tulip]

whats more agressive than just killing to not die

[gusty furnace]

I like it when I'm doing peril quell dodging

Into gunners

so I can one-shot them with my sword

Is it smart?

No

[lethal lagoon]

Getting toughness locked when there's nothing in range but you are at 0 toughness lmao

[gusty furnace]

Is it fun and flexes on new players? Yes.

[bleak tulip]

[gusty furnace]

I'm out here showing people terrible habits to replicate

[bleak tulip]

youre always in range

[spice veldt]

tbf it wasn't much of a problem even before this patch

[bleak tulip]

also just slide lmao

[gusty furnace]

Dodge sliding OP

[plucky flax]

That's tru I'm very noob so I need toughness on quell.

[gusty furnace]

This one is funny

[spice veldt]

quietitude is nice for maximum brain off

[near gale]

Uh... did they make the surge staff do more damage to less targets?

[gusty furnace]

I can't really count the amount of times its kept me from blowing myself up

Totally random

but its happened a lot

[lethal lagoon]

I don't think half your team being dead is your skill issue lmao.

And just shooters are left, far awya

[near gale]

It seemed like the surge staff's charged zap took way less time and was more focused on 1-3 targets instead of 3-5...

[gusty furnace]

That's why I use BB

Brain Burst is pretty meh in general

[subtle flame]

i forget is savage sweep good?

[lethal lagoon]

That seems like a silly reason to gimp yourself by using the post-patch BB.

[gusty furnace]

but when its push come to shove, just corner peeking a ranged room with BB is fine

if your teammates are willing to be patient

[bleak tulip]

if you didnt bring anything to deal with shooters more than 10 meters away thats a build issue when youre playing with people who die a lot

[gusty furnace]

and hold off backspawns while you clear out the room

[near gale]

That's what my kantrael ia lasgun is for >_>'

[lethal lagoon]

Less about shooters being too far, and more about way more toughness damage than kill rate at certain range, density, etc.

[eager heron]

How are people getting the penance for pick n mix? Been testing in the training area and it doesn't seem possible. By the time I hit the 4th kill I'm already past 12 secs.

[subtle flame]

eh? i havent touched it yet

[bleak tulip]

slide out of range, shout at them, assail, void, shoot em if youre a weirdo gunker, there is a million options

[gusty furnace]

Empowered Psionics and

[spice veldt]

shield ult

[bleak tulip]

or that yes

[lethal lagoon]

So you just jumped into this dicussion about trauma with the waaay overtunned void?

[near gale]

I noticed how nice that combo was, as well, when I was messing around with brain rupture

[eager heron]

That one is bugged for me. When I try using it in the training area it fully charges, but then takes another 3 secs before it goes off.

[bleak tulip]

left click spam with trauma, or just yknow right click em youll kill like 5 shooters and get your shit back

trauma has range

[spice veldt]

void always had range regardless of whether it was overtuned

[lethal lagoon]

If I wanted to use OP broken shit, I'd just spam infinte shield.

[gusty furnace]

Yeah

Void's thing was arm damage reduction

But with its +150% damage across the board

it no longer matters

Oh, and the bad maniac damage

[spice veldt]

and assail, if it had its ammo count (and other stuff) nerfed, would still be good for range

[sour mango]

I'm really enjoying the surge force staff. What would be the most optimal perks for it? Running with assail

[bleak tulip]

might even use right click on assail for that

[plucky flax]

Use unlimited power smite it's cooler

[gusty furnace]

But since both of those issues have been fixed through raw damage buffs, its fine for everything now, not just sniping ranged enemies behind cover

[bleak tulip]

since its a free gunner clear

at any range

[subtle flame]

what damage buffs do you want on a trauma force?

[lethal lagoon]

Smite perks work on surge, kind of fun just spamming it. You can basically sprint thorugh an auric spamming surge with the occassional smite.

But it's probably bug

[plucky flax]

I have flak maniac just to kill specials asap

[gusty furnace]

I'm still not sure which way I want assail to go:

Weaker BB with charges with a somewhat long cooldown on ammo

Emergency Horde Clear with a very long cooldown on ammo

Either one I'd ultimately be fine with, but I dunno which one I'd prefer

if that makes sense

[lethal lagoon]

I'd love a minor nerf where they just double the cooldown and see how it feels.

[sour mango]

tyty

[lethal lagoon]

But they are going to nuke it aren't they

[subtle flame]

is carapace and flak good on trauma staff?

[gusty furnace]

Flak yes, carapace middling

You do 681 damage-ish to carapace

So its not a slouch, but its a notable weakspot

[spice veldt]

i'd make it a quickswap weapon

[subtle flame]

what do i change?

im gonna add warp nexus to it

[spice veldt]

the flow of swapping to it every-so-often and using other weapons while the shards are up

[plucky flax]

It's not a blaze trauma rip

[gusty furnace]

Terrifying Barrage to Rending Shockwave, Carapace to Flak

[spice veldt]

I'd heavily nerf the maximum ammo count with a weaker nerf to its regen

[subtle flame]

no warp nexus?

[spice veldt]

rather than the other way around

[gusty furnace]

Two different builds

Mixing Warp Nexus and Warp Flurry isn't particularly useful on trauma

[lethal lagoon]

You know full well fatshark is just going to nerf the damage though lmao.

😦

[gusty furnace]

You have the rending shockwave staff, may as well build it into that

I do need to replace unarmored on mine

[plucky flax]

You can run nexus if you want. Rending doesn't increase your own damage and teammates won't actually hit the crushers.

[gusty furnace]

Come to think of it

[subtle flame]

can you rename your staffs?

[gusty furnace]

Name It Mod

on nexus

I have my Achlys stubber on Ogryn named:

"Achlys MkVII Dogshit"

[spice veldt]

depends; could go either way

[subtle flame]

can i change it off of warp nexus once i get rending?

[spice veldt]

there are playtesters and we're finally seeing the fruits of their efforts this round

so who knows

[bleak tulip]

nerfing damage is probably the single worst change they can make to it

[gusty furnace]

You can:

Replace Both perks

Replace Both blessings

One perk and one blessing

@subtle flame

But you can't mix and match those rules

each one is a hardline commitment

[subtle flame]

so prolly just change carapice to flak and then terrifying barrage to warp nexus?

[gusty furnace]

Correct

[bleak tulip]

or blaze or rending

any of those are fine

[gusty furnace]

Yeah

[subtle flame]

is this a good staff stat wise tho?

[gusty furnace]

Yep

quell speed is largely irrelevant

and the dump stat on every staff

everything else helps you deal damage directly

[bleak tulip]

but muh .2 seconds

[gusty furnace]

case in point

[subtle flame]

this was my first roll right as i hit lvl 30 lol

[gusty furnace]

Quell speed just doesn't matter

[bleak tulip]

lucky

[plucky flax]

New player and using trauma?

[subtle flame]

i just need to get higher tier warp nexus dont i?

[gusty furnace]

I mean, tier 4 blessings are always preferred

Just as a rule of thumb

[subtle flame]

i have all my characters at lvl 30, i was just getting bored of using void or surge >.>

[gusty furnace]

the only time that's not the case is on Indignatus Crusher on zealot

PLUS IMPACT

[bleak tulip]

just dont use void until they nerf it or you might fall from the blessed trauma path

[gusty furnace]

MAKE IT HARDER TO HIT ENEMIES MULTIPLE TIMES

PERFECT GAMEPLAY LOOP

[subtle flame]

can i swap the tier 1 for the tier 4 once i get it?

[bleak tulip]

we need more trauma friends

[gusty furnace]

in that case, you want a tier 1 impact blessing

[gusty furnace]

Yep

[subtle flame]

now i just need plasteel

AAAAAAA

[plucky flax]

Trauma is not popular because apparently its hard to play. You just need to do some trigonometry and it's all good.

[gusty furnace]

Just do this

When you replace a blessing

you can keep replacing that blessing an infinite number of times

[bleak tulip]

you dont need manic damage on deimos

you already one shot muties

[gusty furnace]

We did last patch

[bleak tulip]

with l>h

[gusty furnace]

Which is when I built this

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[bleak tulip]

you always did and still do

[gusty furnace]

Also, maniac means less warp charges needed

And less peril

So its just easier to do

[bleak tulip]

you dont need warp charges even

unless youre literally alone

some random will shoot a bit at it giving you the last 1% you need

even naked

[gusty furnace]

uh

that's a pretty significant amount of HP missing for the one shot

while yes, chip damage exists

I don't like planning around it

because teammates are unreliable at best

[bleak tulip]

literally any buff damage you shoul be having up gets you there tbh

waste of a perk imo

[lethal lagoon]

Meh, if you NEED to one shot a mutie, you are probably in a bad spot. Relying on anything at that point is a bad idea.

[bleak tulip]

you never "need" to if you play it right

its just for speed

[gusty furnace]

When there's 9 muties charging down a hall

[spice veldt]

being able to kill muties quickly is a convenient bp to have

[bleak tulip]

you should still be dodging unless youre meming

[gusty furnace]

maniac damage matters

[hardy coral]

I dunno why my Psyker is getting all the good rolls.

[plucky flax]

Uuhh excuse me for having maniac perk on all my melee weapons

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, I think Enjoyer is just crazy

[tacit tide]

just played my first game with those little pysker knives and gotta say that was one of the funnest games of pysker ive had

[gusty furnace]

Maniac and Flak are the best perks in the game

[bleak tulip]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty furnace]

by a long shot

on basically everything

[bleak tulip]

I just said on deimos

but ok

[lethal lagoon]

I feel the premise of everything you say is "I'm a perfect player who can solo Aurics". True or not, it's not useful for a discussion.

[bleak tulip]

since you can heashot muties through the back

[plucky flax]

Maniac over flak. I have it on all my melees. Bye muties I hate you.

[bleak tulip]

bruh im just sharing my opinion

[sharp mauve]

does psyker have anything for killing monsters?

[lethal lagoon]

yeah, my bad.

[gusty furnace]

Voidstrike

It staggers all the monsters in the game on weakspot hit

So you can infinite stagger all four bosses

traitor captain when shield is down

[plucky flax]

I'm actually top 1% psyker but I respect others and they can play whatever they want.

[near gale]

How well does Assail work with the crit talents like Mettle and Perfect Timing?

[sharp mauve]

im running deimos/trauma/bb. monster dps is abyssmal

[bleak tulip]

just bb

[near gale]

It kind of looks like I would need Scrier's Gaze to specialize more into crit with Assail :/

[bleak tulip]

best mons dps you have in your case

[spice veldt]

the crit talents up there have pretty easily upkeep

True Aim should be good enough

[obtuse moth]

given the qualified context that they gave and their numerous reasons. i think theyre sharing a valid opinion in the case of killing a mutant at least

[plucky flax]

Nah maniac is never a bad perk. It matters more when you are solo and gotta kill a wave of specials.

[lethal lagoon]

🤷‍♂️ I like to prepare for shit hitting the fan, just a different mindset.

[obtuse moth]

but my perfect timing damage

[near gale]

So I should be getting True Aim instead of Solidity?

[spice veldt]

if you want to lean into assail yeah

[kind knot]

after a while of grinding, my psyker has Fashion!

[plucky flax]

If I have a penny for every time I'm the last one alive I'll have a couple quid now.

[spice veldt]

I don't really value quell speed that much

[near gale]

Does Prescience help any, since it is a +4% crit aura?

[obtuse moth]

we're rich! points at gold ore

[spice veldt]

it's a nice to have on staffs esp when there are other dump stats, but I wouldn't go out of my way for Solidity

[spice veldt]

the bonus is there, but +4% is admittedly "eh"

I take prescience primarily to avoid Mind in Motion

[obtuse moth]

its significant damage on voidstrike, otherwise its meh unless other people are running crit builds and depend on procs

[near gale]

I mean it also helps that gorgon ogryn get his charmed reload

[spice veldt]

tru

[obtuse moth]

theres a bunch of builds that reduce cooldown or generate ammo on crit, rending, etc

[near gale]

Personally I think I want the Seer's Presence or Kinetic Presence, instead, though

[spice veldt]

yeah I'd say those auras are more useful

[plucky flax]

The cd reduction aura is bugged and gives like 20%.

[obtuse moth]

critting on VS is a rough doubling of damage, proccing surge is another doubling so 4% crit has roughly 16% dps gain value on VS surge staff

[plucky flax]

Very good support aura.

[bleak tulip]

imo

[gusty furnace]

I hate that I can't take prescience and venting shriek

it annoys me

[lethal lagoon]

Why that talent tree look kind of pretty though?

[obtuse moth]

yea.... its pretty annoying

[bleak tulip]

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor

[lethal lagoon]

I meant the shape haha.

[bleak tulip]

the site can be good for something

o lol

[short schooner]

Man, obese fish really need to remove smite smoke effect

[gusty furnace]

Yeah. . .

its not good

"We all have 7090tis, its no problem for us, quit being poor"

[short schooner]

It not even that it make my fps drop, it just visual cluster

in already visual clusterfuck game

[obtuse moth]

i bet its removable in the config files

[short schooner]

but yeah, it would solve stutter issue for weaker rigs too

[near gale]

I feel kind of meh about having Mind in Motion... but it lets me get to the other auras besides prescience :/

[bleak tulip]

go install the mod that undoubtedly already exsists to remove all effects

[obtuse moth]

i know the potato settings remove all flame effects lmao, including all the fire aoes on the floor...

[lethal lagoon]

Purg still blinds me even when I potatoed so I could use it. Thank god for mods.

[short schooner]

I shouldn't need to install mods to solve game problem

there should be options to turn it off/on in game

[near gale]

Soulstealer is good with Assail, right? Since you're going to be getting plenty of warp kills

[obtuse moth]

yes

[spice veldt]

mhm

[bleak tulip]

yeah but reality knocked and you do need mods

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[near gale]

I'm running out of talent points, with this build, and I don't know what I want to sacrifice for some of the more convenient talents...

[lethal lagoon]

Fatshark sucks at copying mods too. They copied the scoreboard showing when people picked up crafting mats and it's the most obxious thing ever.

[obtuse moth]

also screenshot it or use description since not everyone has talents and names memorised if you're asking for advice

[lethal lagoon]

A guy literally made a mod to remove it a day after that dropped.

[gusty furnace]

these three nodes should be a straight line

[near gale]

Do I want Mettle and Perfect Timing with True Aim?

[obtuse moth]

XD yea that stuff was annoying. some mods drop the same day too to remove FS annoyances hehe

[near gale]

I am pretty sure I want perfect timing for the warp damage

[spice veldt]

ye perfect timing has the priority over mettle

but I do like mettle as a personal preference

[near gale]

does quietude take priority over mettle?

[spice veldt]

You'd prob get more worth out of mettle if running an AoE weapon and whatnot or the vraks 3 headhunter

I'd say so yeah

the funny thing is that Mettle has no ICD

[obtuse moth]

or they could just put the straight line below it, idk why other classes get straight lines

[near gale]

I'm not 100% sure if Perilous Combustion is going to be super effective, but, with how my build focuses a bit more on elite/special kills, I think it will be good.

[bleak tulip]

aesthetics, straight lines are for squares

[spice veldt]

so if you have True Aim active and you put a Trauma blast near a horde (and without killing them), you will just regenerate all of your toughness

[brazen warren]

perilous is always a decent pick up if you have a spare point lying around

[spice veldt]

extreeeemely good

it is easily one of the best nodes on psyker's tree

[obtuse moth]

i prefer movement speed, but i also require 10% peril on kill

[near gale]

Honestly, with this assail build, I am kind of leaning more towards the surge staff for crusher groups. :/

[brazen warren]

3 stacks of soulfire is the minimum to deal reasonable damage, and it does 4 so

[plucky flax]

I heard mods get you banned. I am vanilla gamer.

[spice veldt]

and with the prevalence of elites nowadays

[obtuse moth]

voidstrike is better for crushers than surge lol

[plucky flax]

[bleak tulip]

perilous combustion, warp rider and solidity you should take basically always

theyre easy to get and huge

[brazen warren]

voidstrike for now is better because it gives additional utility that surge does not

[near gale]

I don't like the voidstrike staff, but, asside from that: I don't own a voidstrike staff... x.x

[obtuse moth]

4 stacks don't really do much imo. but hitting 8 is nice :3

[thin finch]

Real I have been perma banned three time now

[lethal lagoon]

Same. I also think scoreboards are toxic and fatshark made the right decision removing them.

[plucky flax]

You guys are so tru.

[bleak tulip]

trauma is prob you next best bet

when crusher groups get too big, which they do this patch, surge is gonna fall short I imagine

[plucky flax]

Hate scoreboard posters no one care. Xd

[near gale]

These are, pretty much, my main ranged weapon options

[brazen warren]

4 stacks is enough to kill trash and deal a bit of damage to most elites. whereas anything below 3 stacks(1 or 2) is less damage than a gun bash over the full duration

30 ish damage total lol

[obtuse moth]

whatever you heard has no basis in reality, fs is fine with all qol, ui mods

[near gale]

Yeah, I know the quell speed is ass on that surge staff... but it has served me well in the past. :/

[plucky flax]

😮

[brazen warren]

if you can make it work and you enjoy it, go for it

[obtuse moth]

if you're taking peril resist on warp charge you get +30% quell speed anyway

[bleak tulip]

upgrade that trauma

[lethal lagoon]

I can't tell if noth is also memeing or serious.

[obtuse moth]

i feel like surge needs peril resist to make it work

[bleak tulip]

and youre fine

[brazen warren]

I like void strike because overpenetration, suppression, and knocking crushers on their ass is really really strong compared to deleting them slightly faster with surge

[north cradle]

Not a fan of the square Surge Staff, are ya

[obtuse moth]

serious since misinformation like that easily spreads, joke or not

and its annoying af to counter

[lethal lagoon]

Ah, solid.

[obtuse moth]

i dont want to spend an hour explaining to someone mods are ok because they saw it

[brazen warren]

does the smite talent jump modifier still affect surge staff as a bug?

[lethal lagoon]

Surge staff you can kind of hold right click the whole game, quell whevener you need it, and just walking simulator.

[near gale]

I just messed with the looks of all of my staffs a while back. One thing I like about how the surge staff feels, now, is that the charge attack is much faster and it seems to focus more on less targets than it used to

[lethal lagoon]

Hand get's super tired, more than dagger zealot, when I play surge.

[spice veldt]

i hate poptarts

[brazen warren]

yeah, new surge is great at frying a few guys really really fast

[near gale]

There: I have a new "voidstrike" staff.

[brazen warren]

fairly easy to pull off too

[near gale]

[north cradle]

Arco is either Hungarian or Austrian, and both sides will fight over that

[obtuse moth]

you can oneshot a crusher with vs, it takes 3-4 surge hits???

[brazen warren]

3 typically

[bleak tulip]

I think the idea was that when you go to warp charge you have to get this talent on the way

[near gale]

Personally I have never liked the voidstrike staff. It has always felt like a discount fireball staff to me. :/

[north cradle]

I just want the Beam Staff bruh

[near gale]

Same

[lethal lagoon]

Ah, I was talking about the mod stuff. Thanks though.

[cinder mesa]

Bolt Staff supremacy

[brazen warren]

its a preference thing, both are good, void takes a bit longer to charge so it is more mid/long range, surge is a bit better at short to medium range on a few crushers/ragers

[plucky flax]

I have 2 voids. 1 for sustain right click one for nexus surge

[obtuse moth]

they were referring to me talking about FS policy on mods and someones joke about it i believe #psyker-class message

[brazen warren]

right now void is better for the extra stuff it brings ontop of crusher slaughter

[lethal lagoon]

The fast charge spd on surge get's so addicting though

[bleak tulip]

think of it as railgun staff

[near gale]

I like that I can hit bulwarks with their shield up with Assail's right click by jumping(most of the time)

[bleak tulip]

the void aoe isnt the point of the weapon, its cutting a line through enemies

[obtuse moth]

i like the hitscan nature of surge and the aim assist, especially through fire and smoke

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, the anti-special on surge is wild.

[brazen warren]

I am enjoying DD Scrier gunker assail with mk3 headhunter, because it melts bosses/crushers/gun ogryns

[lethal lagoon]

And they buffed the range so much.

[brazen warren]

I am blowing myself up more becaues it is quite punishing in the peril management though

[obtuse moth]

assails spammy nature and unpredictable peril gain and loss makes it difficult to manage for sure

add in latency and skill queing

https://tenor.com/JGGB.gif

[brazen warren]

its knowing when you are near the end of the gaze to swap to gun/melee

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like you gotta run push for a few games if you are using assail for the first time.

[bleak tulip]

or just run push always because its kind of the best one c:

[obtuse moth]

interesting, i'll just purposefully go to 100 so i can resume playing safely if im not purposefully using it in melee or gun

[lethal lagoon]

Shield makes me feel like a wizard though

[bleak tulip]

true

[near gale]

Time to get my allies killed since I haven't played my psyker in like... 3 or 4 months. <.<'

[bleak tulip]

I do like shield I just wish it was better tbh

[obtuse moth]

better how?

[near gale]

That or kick ass with this assail build since it's just op and it will overcompensate for my lack of psyker experience...

[obtuse moth]

yeah you can just left click your way through damnation with assail

[bleak tulip]

more HP, maybe add the stun to the bubble as well and just do something else for the other option path, make it less annoying to look through

[obtuse moth]

the biggest danger in the game is yourself

[bleak tulip]

if youre really getting shot at, aka when you wanna drop it most, the shield just gets vaporized pretty quick on damnation

[obtuse moth]

you'll need an actual build if you play auric tho

[obtuse moth]

are you running warp charges? i drop multiple

sometimes i'll have 3 up

[bleak tulip]

no

[spice veldt]

the shield's main utility to me is blocking flamers/trapper nets/bonbon spit, and those use cases are pretty good already

[lethal lagoon]

I don't like abusing bugs personally.

I feel bad for my teammate and the graphical clutter too

[plucky flax]

My most OP assail mk4 sword voidstrike build.

[bleak tulip]

only briefly fucked with shield

[obtuse moth]

those are really good, and so is putting it up when you hear a sniper about to hit someone

[bleak tulip]

so fair enough

just didnt feel super good to me

[lethal lagoon]

I guess some love when psykers spam shields though

[spice veldt]

oh yeah snipers

[bleak tulip]

dunno

[long ether]

Placing a shield as the sniper shoots is so satisfying

[lethal lagoon]

Putting that microsoft money to good use and buying another race IP?

That'd be great.

man, game's workshop selling their race coypright in DLC is such a wild and ironic concept.

[spice veldt]

me placing a shield that blocks a shot from a sniper that I didn't even know was there 😎

[lethal lagoon]

😎

[bleak tulip]

calculated

[obtuse moth]

6 stacks of warp charges (7.5% each)+ 10% aura + 12% curio is 67% cooldown reduction. shield lasts 20s and base cooldown is 40s

.33*40=13.2 seconds

[subtle flame]

should i grab this?

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, that's the worst part of the bug for me. It'd be fast without it.

But I feel weird using it fast

[bleak tulip]

just keep bubbling the puke dog

[obtuse moth]

oh that one is great too omg

bubbling puke is ace

[obtuse moth]

i never lay one after another, i always build up warp charges in between. so it ends up being that timing anyway

[subtle flame]

is warp resistance important?

[obtuse moth]

depends on the build

[subtle flame]

specifically purgitas

[obtuse moth]

voidstrike or assail builds don't need it at all if you're playing the flavor of the month

[obtuse moth]

what else are you running tho?

talents included

if you use purge as your main weapon its probably nice to have.

@spice veldt is CDR multiplicative or additive? and if its multiplicative, does that include the individual 4%s from each curio

[spice veldt]

i know that the individual 4%s from each curio is additive with each other

syllogism has remarked that the cdr aura (which actually gives 17.5%) comes with the curios to give 29.5% CDR

[subtle flame]

can veterans get the mkiv dueling sword?

[spice veldt]

so probably additive if we're going by his numbers

[obtuse moth]

oh ok, thanks :D

[manic halo]

gun psyker builds?

cause I got NO idea what to do

[obtuse moth]

vraks mk3, deadly accurate, headhunter (or surgical)

[spice veldt]

vraks 3 headhunter is a generally very good gun

[lethal lagoon]

CDR being additive, is good right?

[obtuse moth]

i would still take warp charges over disrupt destiny personally

[spice veldt]

ye

rule of thumb is that it's good for reductive effects to be additive

[manic halo]

oh I am using rev

[obtuse moth]

take guaranted crit every 5 headshots, and everything else is dealers choice

[manic halo]

i shall grind for that

is scriers gaze the gun psyker ult of choice?

[obtuse moth]

ye, if it was multiplicative the CDR would be closer to a 43% reduction instead of 67%.

[subtle flame]

dude dueling sword is ridiculous with rending

lord

[bleak tulip]

probably yeah

[manic halo]

[open crag]

is disrupt disdain bugged or does it have some kind of internal cooldown not on the tooltip? ive noticed long periods of no enemies being marked

[bleak tulip]

you could prob also shield but that doesnt buff your damage

[obtuse moth]

apparently sometimes the marking is invisible or something lel

[spice veldt]

as god intended

fatshark heard people dissing the duelling swords and gave them a glowup

[subtle flame]

i have a crappy blue mkiv with uncanny and im 2 shotting maulers and 3 shotting crushers with warp charges

[open crag]

that would explain it, I also noticed I get stacks out of no where some times

[obtuse moth]

idk if its even rending or if DS is just that strong on its own tbh. from my tests of mk4 DS in meatgrinder it doesnt even need rending beyond crushers and maulers

[spice veldt]

as a side note, pushing or damaging an enemy refreshes the timer on your DD stacks

[obtuse moth]

oh what

[spice veldt]

so if you can't guarantee a kill on a marked enemy, you can push them

or use venting shriek

[obtuse moth]

you can just push them or stagger them? crazy

oh

what about grazing them with an explosion or assail or smite

[open crag]

im still really new to psyker - what upgrades do I wanna do on this?

[spice veldt]

worked with trauma I think

it's been some time since I tested it

[obtuse moth]

grats on the 380

[spice veldt]

presumably it works with the others but you'll prob want to test it to see it for yourself

[bleak tulip]

if I had to run gunker I guess I would go for something like this?

assuming you didnt wanna just assail anyway that is

since it would still be better lol

[spice veldt]

malefic momentum only boosts warp damage so i probably wouldn't want that unless you're running Illisi

[obtuse moth]

you can run an assail gunker, its fun

[bleak tulip]

oh fair

at that point you have like 3 point float

lol

there is so little that buffs non warp

[bleak tulip]

no idea why people run gunker but whatever