psyker-class

[lyric burrow]

@spice veldt would know better

[north pike]

I've only ever really used the illisi and the deimos. so I know nothing of the dueler

[lyric burrow]

Mine happens to have good cleave

So havent tested myself

Its pretty similar to deimos

Dodge goes very far but isnt infinite

Lights are more swipes that pokes tho

And all heavies are pokes

[north pike]

Blessings and perks to go for ?

[lyric burrow]

Uncanny and riposte/precog/even rampage is fine

Your pick

I like riposte

[limber heath]

i'd imagine most people bring something aside from a mk4 for hordeclear so losing cleave ain't the worst

[lyric burrow]

Yeah id bring purge or trauma

[north pike]

I only have 2s and 5s sadly

[lyric burrow]

Ascendant blaze works

[autumn smelt]

as long as youre not dodging at every possible moment, it wont really affect you tbh

[north pike]

I do a lot of crab walkin with the force swords lol

[autumn smelt]

it hasnt really for me, and im a chronic dodger in melee combat due to using force swords a lot

[lyric burrow]

Tbf if your used to doing it every second its worth mentioning

Ik arco was thrown off at first

I too went into -7/5 dodges at times

Less so now

[north pike]

What is the big benefit of the 4 over the others? attack pattern?

[lyric burrow]

Really good single target

[limber heath]

damage

[lyric burrow]

Fast heavies too

5 and 2 are the same as before

[north pike]

This one seems like it may work then !

just gotta go grab some more plasteel to finish it xD

[lyric burrow]

Thats pretty good

Perks you want are carapace/crit chance/mutant/unyielding if you really need boss dmg

[spice veldt]

cleave damage only affects unarmored/infested (doesn't affect flak cuz bugged) so it ees what it ees

[spice veldt]

I would never

[pearl cove]

What's psykers strongest build atm? just hit level 30

[lyric burrow]

Check builds for space wizards thread

Has good general builds

[viscid matrix]

#1158835513789272126 have a bunch of builds

tbh Assail is the strongest blitz, Void is the strongest staff, can throw in Empower to boost the Blitz, or Warp Charges to boost all damage and reduce cooldown of your ability

[lyric burrow]

Pick one with assail for strongest stuff

[limber heath]

assail bubble EP. voidstrike + mk4 duelling. arguably wouldn't recommend it since it's liable to get nerfed and would be a bad crutch to learn on

[subtle flame]

i cant find this one

[pearl cove]

I only need one for a week or so while i grind out a ton of gear for perks to reroll

[rose dagger]

honestly have no idea how warp charge refund interactions works with shield ult
sometimes i get 3 instant shields i can use

[viscid matrix]

Assail, Empower, Double Shield, Void Staff, MK IV dueling sword/Illisi

[pearl cove]

Was running purg staff with a dot build, but doesn't seem to do near as good as everyone elses build and it's like playing with a crutch

[viscid matrix]

its a balanced build that wasnt overtuned like crazy, unlike Void staff

[subtle flame]

halp...plz how do

[rose dagger]

penance doesnt show which you have already completed sadly

[subtle flame]

also fo r the max warp charges for 300 seconds do you NEED to have 6? or can you do it with 4 by just not upgrading the perk?

[viscid matrix]

4 is fine, just dont use your ability that consumes all warp charges to reduce its cooldown

[subtle flame]

do you have to CONSTANTLY have it for 300 seconds or 300 seconds total through the mission?

[rose dagger]

300 consecutive

[viscid matrix]

full 5 minutes while sitting at 4/6 warp charges

[subtle flame]

how the hell are you supposed to do that?

[viscid matrix]

higher dificulties its easier

cause more specials and elites

[rose dagger]

was easier when brain burst always gave warp charge, its different now

[lyric burrow]

Yeah just pick off elites

[viscid matrix]

tbh its just as easy now, cause just killing elite and specials with anything gives warp charges

[subtle flame]

do i just use asail or brain burst?

[lyric burrow]

Assail now prob

[rose dagger]

yea def assail

[lyric burrow]

Bb works too

[viscid matrix]

anything works

[lyric burrow]

But assail will kill stuff easier and faster

[subtle flame]

should i use purgitas for the soul flame thing?

or surge for carapace elites?

[viscid matrix]

take that or psychic vampire

[viscid matrix]

tbh it doesnt matter as long as you kill an elite or special every 25 seconds thru an entire mission

the soulblaze/Coherency kill nodes make it easier

when you start doing damnation runs, you can just play and you will get the pennance, as long as you dont use your ability

[subtle flame]

do you have a build set up?

[fringe garden]

Is Uncanny Strike good on Illisi?

[subtle flame]

also inner tranquility or essence harvest?

[viscid matrix]

its good on any melee weapon

[unique mist]

for all the shit talked about assail in Damnation...it's still so fucking good lol. sure it can't kill specials/elites, but damnation hordes are so immense that it's still the optimal pick IMO

[viscid matrix]

Purga staff build

[unique mist]

that and voidstrike staff

[viscid matrix]

Void staff build

[subtle flame]

oh i was gonna try asail

heck

[fringe garden]

Assail deserves the nerf bat pretty hard.

It should deal much less damage to hard targets and have a bit less regen

[unique mist]

why essence harvest over reduced peril gen?

[fringe garden]

Let it be the horde clear, that's fine

[limber heath]

if there's any small glimmer of balance in the psyker tree its the fact that the cdr on elite kill isn't accessible to assail

[viscid matrix]

Assail just needs its ammo capacity or ammo regen nerfed hard, the fact we cant run out unless we dump ammo like a moron is excessive

[limber heath]

you have to be leftclicking for an excessive amount of time for assail to run out even without EP lol

[viscid matrix]

easy toughnesss regen, its basicly permament if you play well

[warm dagger]

typically what blessing/perks do you want on a force sword?

[unique mist]

yeah i actually just did my first damnation using a scriers/warp charge/high crit build i was using on heresy that didn't have the 30% faster recharge and i really felt the difference

[fringe garden]

Even with the limited damage it deals to carapace and flak it should honestly deal even less. It shouldn't hardly be capable of killing them. But let it mow down unarmored targets. Then we have BB for anti-armor and single target, Smite for CC, and Assail for horde clear

[subtle flame]

imma try this

[viscid matrix]

Uncanny Strike, then personal preference for the other blessing

[warm dagger]

alright 👍

[unique mist]

but also voidstrike staff is so underrated for horde clear - like, it's not AOE, but get Transfer peril (peril quell on weakspot hit) and warp flurry (faster charge time when charge attacks) and aim at head height through a horde and it tears through them while keeping you at low peril

[rose dagger]

slaughterer, uncanny strike and unstable power are the blessings to look out for imo

[fringe garden]

Voidstrike is beautiful

[warm dagger]

gotchya, ty both of you

[viscid matrix]

Exorcist if you using scriers, so you can keep killing with max crit and damage

[warm dagger]

scriers? sorry its been a few months

[limber heath]

i don't think "voidstrike staff is so underrated" is a selection of words that can be put together like that in any context

[unique mist]

like i can fire off half to 2/3 charge shots off into a hore, killing multiple enemies per shot. literally killed a whole horde in that prison section of a map with just voidstrike and i never needed to quell

[warm dagger]

ahhh gotchya, sounds good!

[viscid matrix]

Voidstrike is wildly accepted by all psykers that its OP right now

[unique mist]

and it should stay that way

[limber heath]

most know its good for horde clear, its just not talked about for horde clear because other things do it "better"

[viscid matrix]

fuck off, 1 tapping crushers is excessive and it should not outright ignore armour

[rose dagger]

yea i like to take illisi with voidstrike to assist with hordes

but voidstrike still pretty good for hordes

[limber heath]

i mean idm voidstrike being the best staff but it definitely shouldn't be in the state it currently is.

[rose dagger]

these days take duelling sword with trauma/purg

[subtle flame]

question. why are some armor penannces NOT on the pennance list?

[viscid matrix]

a single Void Strike secondary can do 3320 damage to everything if it crits and hits a weakspot
that doesnt take into account any damage buffs

[pearl cove]

Bleed build on daggers worth going?

[unique mist]

they should be in the redacted section at the bottom

[rose dagger]

its the bolt staff of DT, except its seemingly easier to headshot with

[unique mist]

redacted penances are basically "go out of your way to do this"

[subtle flame]

but ballers clothes tho

[unique mist]

yeah

[rose dagger]

only old penance outfit i missed was vets

[viscid matrix]

you can get gold and buy recolours of them easily

[rose dagger]

didnt feel like cheesing the no miss penance

[subtle flame]

but it doenst feel the SAAAAME

is there a best way to figure out which mission type is the one youre missing?

[viscid matrix]

do every mission once, one after another

[north pike]

If its your first charaver theres a decent way

[viscid matrix]

tbh i like the white and green better than the black and red

[north pike]

The skulls around the missions at the bottom tell you the highest difficulty you have cleared said mission on

The 3 skulls, wings, and 4 chevrons

4 chevrons with a skull at the top means a damnation clear

[subtle flame]

but the other ones look better, but if its truely a bother i can just buy it

[viscid matrix]

i did not know that, good to know, that expains so much

[subtle flame]

i just need a vet for pick n mix

[dusk sierra]

swap nexus for rending shockwave and carapace for maniac?

[north pike]

And the redacted penances were just the first they came out with, and the community complained about them alot, so they released the updated ones, and moved those to redacted. The redacted ones... did really suck to do for various reasons, and all of the most annoying ones have been nerfed

Like the zealot having to do the 20 min run? that was 10 min before xD

[viscid matrix]

get a t4 nexus, and take rending leave the perks as is

[unique mist]

yeah i remember that wow

[north pike]

Psykers had to kill 3 things with their self destruct... vets needed 100% accuracy and no ammo left uh... I think oggy needed more time in coherency lemme check that one

[viscid matrix]

Flurry requires you hold secondary down, and tap primary at max, if you do anything except hold secondary it resets back to 0

[viscid matrix]

its so easy now, used to be 5 elites with self explosion

[rose dagger]

easier to stack now at least

[lyric burrow]

Old cliffhanger penance was 7 people too

[north pike]

Yeah, 100% time in coherency, rather than the current 90%

[dusk sierra]

oh interesting

haven'

[viscid matrix]

here is a blue version, its 300k gold

[dusk sierra]

t used trauma in ages

[viscid matrix]

Grey and Red version of 2nd best penance armour

[rose dagger]

trauma is what conflagration shouldve been
so i dig it

[subtle flame]

goggle one is the best

but im still gonna try the pennances cause i like a challenge

[viscid matrix]

😄 at least its easy now

[lyric burrow]

New ones arent too bad

Even the old ones arent awful now except monstrosity one

[north pike]

Psyker penances I'm just missing the brain burst the monstro, and knock 7 off a ledge, because I can't be arsed to go into a private game and my friends are awful at holding their fire when I ask them to xD

So everything just gets gunned down anyway

[viscid matrix]

i kinda wish the pennaces when completed saved the numbers they were when you completed it

[lyric burrow]

I think 7 got nerfed

Its less now iirc

[viscid matrix]

its 7 now, it used to be 20

[lyric burrow]

Ok thats what I was thinking of

[viscid matrix]

Pick N Mix used to be 5 in 10 seconds, now its 4 in 12

[north pike]

Always easy to do it on that bridge during the ... finale of using the data skulls to upload false data

[limber heath]

i got cliffhanger by accident today... i don't even know what triggered it because there wasn't a ledge near me

[viscid matrix]

it doesnt have to be very deep hole of a ledge, even if its 2 feet down, it counts

[rose dagger]

lol

[viscid matrix]

Malleus Monstronum is about the same, it used to be 100%, now its 90
basicly the same

[viscid matrix]

😄 you have way more achievement points then i do, but thats cause i dont play anything except psyker

[limber heath]

as long as you haven't gotten bored that's a win

[viscid matrix]

i tried to play other classes, i got to level 8 on them

[north pike]

Ogryn is my least played xD

I don't like playing as male characters though is why

that and I felt so bad before as I wanted to tank and spank before the patch and it was just soooo bad

[rose dagger]

zealot was my fav before the patch, psyker 2nd.
now psyker is my fav, ogryn 2nd

[north pike]

The missions done achieves are fun to look at though

[rose dagger]

id be grinding assassination if i was that close

das a good frame

[viscid matrix]

still no flash mission a year after launch

[north pike]

Skull hoarder ftw but I currently use the hammer of traitors a lot

[austere burrow]

what's las pistol good vs

[rose dagger]

ill probably get the 500 special mission frame before i get any 250 mission type frame

[austere burrow]

i assume most stuff that isnt carapace right?

[north pike]

Yeah, I got the 500 specials already as well

[steel flame]

This is untrue. Stacks are not lost on quelling anymore

[tropic vigil]

so the new mega mission thing? how does that work exactly and im assuming its always worth it to do reward wise? i did one but does it cycle which difficulty it is too?

[north pike]

The Maelstroms?

[rotund kiln]

Imma leave this here...
Assail Psyker = Trash

[tropic vigil]

yea

[steel flame]

Maelstrom is always the same difficulty be it regular or auric but the modifiers change with mission rotation

[viscid matrix]

skill issue then

[slow raven]

if you mean maelstrom, i dont think it's worth doing in terms of plasteel, you dont get the 10% bonus and usually the missions are harder so you have less time to go searching for plasteel

[rotund kiln]

i dont use it, the others using it are trash

[slow raven]

for ordo dockets it generally rewards more but you also don't get the 10% bonus

and youre more likely to fail maelstrom

[north pike]

Auric is purely a guarantee of more tags on high difficulty missions, Maelstrom is just special tags

[slow raven]

so in terms of pure farming, quickplay is better

[long ether]

Quickplay is 100% the way

[steel flame]

If you wanna grind do regular missions. If you wanna have fun while you die, you do auric Maelstrom

[north pike]

Maelstrom tags are brutal though ! Well, some of them are.

[tropic vigil]

ok. im assuming the affects change as well right so sometimes no vent purge.

did one for first time it was pretty fun would be a challenge if on damnation

[north pike]

The maelstrom on the main page can go down to 3s. And yeah, just check the tags on it each time.

[rose dagger]

auric exists for challenge, play regular damnation if mats and winning are your main concern

[steel flame]

Youll get things like all Melee enemies no ammo pickups or specials can become bosses

[tropic vigil]

i found some youtube vids so ill give them a watch.

[north pike]

Low intensity 5s are the best to farm for plasteel, ordos, is best on the highest difficult mission you can beat quickly with your team

[tropic vigil]

auric is the highest difficulty, whats the malice level ones called for malestrom or are they the same?>

[rose dagger]

auric will make you a millionaire fairly fast

if you have good winrate

[north pike]

Auric is the alternate page, and its just guaranteeing difficult tags

But a auric high intensity 5 is the same as a normal damnation with a high intensity tag

[tropic vigil]

i dont have any alt classes leveled so i think im going to have to farm to gear other classes. so glad they changed how wallets work

[rose dagger]

o yea theres regular maelstorm too

[limber heath]

kinda sad they didn't also make weapons shared (those that could be, of course)

but blessings are shared so its pretty easy to gear a weapon identically if you have them stored

[north pike]

I have 2 maxed zealots that'd be nice on xD

[spark fractal]

Auric is just damnation with modifiers, pretty sure damnation has a better rate of return

[north pike]

Malice gives around 250 plasteel with a good clear, and damnation has around 800 plastell on the map

[spark fractal]

Auric can go on for a very long time, and has a much higher fail rate

[limber heath]

IME damnation typically yields 600 but i typically only play damnation if i'm doing auric where it tends to be a bit riskier to go around checking everywhere so that tracks

[spark fractal]

With modifiers from quick play I think the most I’ve gotten is 840 in one mission, that has to be close to all of the spawns

[rose dagger]

think i heard 810 is the max before bonuses

[north pike]

I am excessive in the searching for plasteel and know most of the spawns now xD

[limber heath]

i only really go hunting plasteel when i'm playing with friends, can't leave randoms alone for 3s or you see 3 red exclamation marks

[north pike]

Doing 3s I have a chainsword infinite sprint build for my hunting. So I can get back to em quick on such occasion xD

[limber heath]

my friends are also like that tbf but I don't have to pick them up

[north pike]

Though tbh I'

[limber heath]

i can't imagine 3s are faster than 5s unless you're running privates with no teammates

[north pike]

I've started getting lazy in the farming and just ignoring the alt routes I don't take first

[limber heath]

people move SO slowly in all my games

like you have to put a gun to their head and tell them to fucking move to the next area because guess what, the horde doesn't stop on hi int 5

like pls just move your legs 😭

[rose dagger]

id do rev it up zealot speedruns if such lobbies existed

[north pike]

Crab walking psykers can speedrun rather well

[tropic vigil]

Also are chainswords good now for other classes?

[north pike]

Chainsword is strong atm for anyone, just very powerful weapon

[raw oriole]

Is Assail, Voidstrike, or both overtuned?

[limber heath]

yes

i've seen this horse beaten so many times today already though

not to say i didn't participate in it when i saw it, i do love horses

[north pike]

Both are probably a lil strong. Same as chainsword.

[lyric burrow]

Yeah both are hilariously overtuned

[rose dagger]

voidstrike gonna get nerfed

[lyric burrow]

When even reddit is complaining about how op something is its a sign

[limber heath]

hoping nerfs land somewhere in between old and new VS so that people aren't unhappy tbh (also so the weapon is good still, just not the way it is rn)

[north pike]

Voidstrike not becoming fake would be nice

[devout belfry]

So what's the best rapier? Kinda not sure which I like more.

[lyric burrow]

Mk4

[north pike]

Mostly I'm just happy the Eviscerator is a real weapon

[lyric burrow]

Evis is very fun

[slate oasis]

voidstrike is crazy right now. you literally never need to use anything else, just blast a couple orbs at everything and it dies

[north pike]

I use brain burst with my voidstrike! Because it has a chance to proc automatically xD

[lyric burrow]

Doesnt even take a couple

[clear heath]

wtf enhanced blitz on assail gives you +2 shards...
...but they don't recharge

so you throw the 2 free extra assails and they never come back

[rose dagger]

yes

[clear heath]

that's so stupid lmao

[devout belfry]

What makes it better? 😮

[rose dagger]

breakpts
has the best heavies

2 pokes to kill a mutie
1 poke for most other things

(assuming headshot)

[lyric burrow]

Yeah just has the best damage

Fast af heavies

[austere burrow]

Wdym never come back

[rose dagger]

the other keystones seem kinda meh compared to good ole warp charges

[unique mist]

yeah warp charges give really nice passive effects

[azure karma]

what is best blessings for duelling sword?

[rose dagger]

uncanny strike

people are running rampage on it but you need PA to proc it, so id take shred

[azure karma]

idk what pa is

power attack?

[rose dagger]

push attack, duelling sword cant cleave 3 without it

to proc rampage

[azure karma]

oh

[lyric burrow]

Riposte/precog is also good

[azure karma]

no shred?

[lyric burrow]

Main issue i have with shred is im not horde clearing with mk4 ds

[subtle flame]

is it easier to upkeep 4 warp charges or 6?

[lyric burrow]

Nor am i chaining hits often

[azure karma]

isnt chin hits just consecutive hits

[rose dagger]

yea but it tends to one shot

[lyric burrow]

Just kinda one shotting elites

[rose dagger]

main thing is you want uncanny strike

[austere burrow]

Not sure what you mean

[sonic coral]

So, what are some good builds for talents and weapons now? Feels like everything is way diferent than before

[lyric burrow]

Most consecutive attacks id do is 2 on a mutie

[subtle flame]

for the 300s warp charge

[sonic coral]

Probably the six hundredth person to ask this today

[austere burrow]

Ohh

Doesn't matter right

[azure karma]

am i supposed to use light attacks

[subtle flame]

i suppose it doesnt matter

[lyric burrow]

No

[sonic coral]

the feat trees are a mystery to me and I'm trying to wrap my head around fun builds that are functional, between changed blessings, weapons, etc

[lyric burrow]

Ds4 is a heavy attack machine

[austere burrow]

You'd hit 4 faster though

[rose dagger]

duelling sword is reserved for quickly executing with heavies, i use it with a horde staff

[lyric burrow]

Lights are just quick oh shit when theres like 2 guys behind me at best

[subtle flame]

is empathetic evasion better than anticipation?

[viscid matrix]

#1158835513789272126

[austere burrow]

DS4 lights are fine

They definitely kill really slowly though lol

[subtle flame]

which is better?

[lyric burrow]

There fine i just very rarely need to use them

Wouldn't take any blessings with lights in mind

[austere burrow]

I usually find myself feeling like I could be doing something better if I'm using them

[viscid matrix]

both are good, 1 gives guaranteed dodge when you crit, the other extends the dodge

[austere burrow]

Like creating space to charge a void shot

[vestal cargo]

For trauma I've got 8% elite damage and 25% unyielding. Which should be swapped out for flak%?

[subtle flame]

whats the best sword for just good cleve and cc?

[viscid matrix]

elite damage

[lyric burrow]

Can't think of many swords that cc

But illisi is good for cleave

Dclaw too

Best cc is killing them

[viscid matrix]

CC is Smite, nothing else compares

[subtle flame]

do you need specific blessings for Dclaw?

[north cradle]

I wasn't sure what he was talking about, and after recording this, I still don't know what he's talking about

[lyric burrow]

They help yeah

[subtle flame]

i meant just for close range, i need BB rn

[viscid matrix]

Uncanny Strike is BIS on basicly every melee weapon

[lyric burrow]

I use SS and shred although thats on zealot

[viscid matrix]

the block attack for forceswords knocks enemys away

[lyric burrow]

I dont have one for psyker yet

[subtle flame]

im just sick of force swords for the moment

[subtle flame]

whats ss?

is vicious slice any good?

[lyric burrow]

Savage sweep

[subtle flame]

messa no have materials, i simply asked question

[lyric burrow]

P sure vicious slice is meh but id need to check patch

Forget if it got buffed

[devout belfry]

So what blessings and perks on the rapier?

[limber heath]

Uncanny for rending, afaik other option is flex. Riposte, savage sweep, maybe even precognition fine

[lyric burrow]

Ss isnt on dueling sword

Guessing you meant rampage

[limber heath]

Fuck I meant

Rampage

Yea

Sorry

Damage on cleave not cleave on cleave

[tired hearth]

Who would win: Assail Psyker vs Yondu from Guardians of the Galaxy?

[limber heath]

Yondu only has 1

[royal falcon]

never watched guardians of the galaxy but assail psyker clears

[tired hearth]

@royal falcon https://youtu.be/mhc3CinJHYY?si=oC9P4dQ3XUXWV9ds

Basically, assail user with absolute control of the projectile

[royal falcon]

after watching the video I can say I stand by what I said

[gusty furnace]

Pain

Milk, all you needed to do was roll a good burn stat

guess its a blessing addition for now

[limber heath]

Steal the blessing ya

[subtle flame]

how do yall find warp battery easy??

[sonic coral]

I dont get it, to the knives lock on and go through people? what's the difference if you hold right click?

[royal falcon]

easy! we dont!

[subtle flame]

5 minutes feels so fucking long

especially since unless youre on high intensity its basically rng if you get warp charge

is there a specific good map for warp battery?

[north pike]

Yes?

[spice veldt]

time travel to before the skill tree update and do it then

[north pike]

Yeah, the update... likely made that one a bit harder

[spice veldt]

yeah looks gr8

block eff into whatever and rampage into uncanny

[rose dagger]

yee

[subtle flame]

I GOT PICK N MIX AND WARP BATTERY IN ONE MISSION

[north pike]

Hell yeah

GJ

[rose dagger]

[subtle flame]

shock troop

8 ogryns lol

[royal falcon]

telekine shield really looks at nurgle beast vomit like

it's hilarious

[limber heath]

when the bees of nurgle is actually in the shield its even funnier

[royal falcon]

the beast doesn't even have the sense to leave the shield more often than not

[limber heath]

is headhunter 4 worth? or cringe

[royal falcon]

poor thing just wants to play but no
naughty slug-things go into the forever dome

[royal falcon]

think you got enough crit chance on that thing?

[spice veldt]

if you plan on using the vraks 3 then yeah

[limber heath]

oh i don't care about the weapon it didn't roll well enough its just in melk shop and wondering whether i should buy and strip

[north pike]

4s great with the vraks 3, and the damage on headshot crits

turns it into a slaughter

[spice veldt]

headhunter + deadly accurate being the meta combination on the vraks3

[limber heath]

alright, i'll probably grab it. and then pray i don't find a slaught 4 hammer in my zealot shop tomorrow 😨

[north pike]

You just melt everything you can land weakspot hits consistently on

[royal falcon]

melk

[wintry stratus]

is the infinite smite with empowered psionics 100% a bug?

[royal falcon]

probably but shhhhh

[limber heath]

99.9%, don't think fatshark has confirmed either way

[odd siren]

almost perfect

[limber heath]

FS sucks at tooltips though so

[royal falcon]

almost?

[odd siren]

lol

[north pike]

not having 76% on burn means it doesn't get to 16 stacks of burning on enemies

[limber heath]

thought purg wanted 76 burn maybe i'm crazy

[north pike]

and tahts a big loss of damage

[limber heath]

yea

[odd siren]

dam

[limber heath]

rip

you can rip warp off tho

[north pike]

on anything that survives to that many

[odd siren]

almost perfect****

[north pike]

It's a fine stick to use til you get a 76 burn and good other stuff though

[odd siren]

no surge rip

[onyx sentinel]

Does this mean the killing blow has to be from a Soulblaze tick or can it proc as long as they're Soulblazed regardless?

[odd siren]

I dont think so

the old perk was if anyone killed it

[royal falcon]

some searching around says that it has to be from soulblaze DoT

[fierce crest]

im pretty sure it has to be you now

[onyx sentinel]

ah that's pretty shite unless you're using purgatus hey

[fierce crest]

it doesnt proc near as much as it used to

but thats obv very anecdotal

[royal falcon]

it has to be from soulblaze ticks too so that narrows the proc conditions even more

[fierce crest]

guh

thats trash

i need to test that to be sure

[odd siren]

is warp charges or psyonics better for assail?

[fierce crest]

but if so thats actaully worse than the other even with purgatus

[royal falcon]

I'd say warp charges

[viral solstice]

this is not true, the homing is always active but some weapons in this patch use the same targeting routine and break it

deimos/obscurus do

anything that uses brain burst targeting

but will be fixed

[north pike]

I ran out of plasteel again bleh

[odd siren]

does cooldown reduction aka psyker aura option, apply to assail

and can assail crit

[royal falcon]

assail can crit, yes

and I believe psyker's cooldown reducers also apply to assail but I'd appreciate someone verifying that

[subtle flame]

is trauma force staff even worth it to use?

[odd siren]

yeah trauma is good

[royal falcon]

it's aight for crowd control and knocking around elites

[north pike]

Trauma has 2 builds, one thats spammy and helps allies good CC and horde clear

[royal falcon]

blowing holes in hordes to rescue teammates

[fringe garden]

Voidstrike can be pretty oppressive. Hard for the other staves to match up imo

[royal falcon]

yeah but purgatus

[north pike]

The other spreads fire which is neat but a bit awkward now. And yeah atm Voidstrikes power sorta overshadows the point of others

[odd siren]

I think all the staves are great rn

[fringe garden]

Im not saying any of the other staves are bad

Voidstrike is just... really really good at just about everything

[royal falcon]

surge staff users have been becoming a bit rare

then again ofc they are when smite exists

[odd siren]

yeah exactly

[subtle flame]

whats the easiest way to do going out with a bang?

[odd siren]

I think voidstrike is arguably the best, but not by a giant margin

[north pike]

Hurt a rager some

then explode yourself on them

[fringe garden]

I think it's by a medium sized margin

[rose dagger]

they should nerf voidstrike projectile size/AOE and just make it the bolt staff of DT

[lethal lagoon]

Surge is OP AF with smite, the perks apply to the staff.

[royal falcon]

the what apply to the who

[fringe garden]

The extra chained target

[royal falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/steve-harvey-scared-nope-no-way-shake-head-gif-4834817

[fringe garden]

And I guess the damage increase for allies?

[lethal lagoon]

Only issue with Surge staff is it makes my hands tired like dagger zealot.

My DPS is ahead of even assail psykers though, I just spam the staff

[rose dagger]

right now voidstrike is fireball staff that hits as hard as bolt staff

[odd siren]

can some one explain warp rider? +20 damage from all sources based on current peril

[lethal lagoon]

it's also pretty braindead lmao

[odd siren]

so it makes you take more damage??

[royal falcon]

all damage you deal increases by up to 20% based on peril

yeah the tooltip sucks

[lethal lagoon]

No fatshark is a dummy, it's a 20% multiplicative bonus I believe.

[odd siren]

ok thats what i hoped but i was like???

[rose dagger]

FS always been bad with descriptions

[royal falcon]

fatshark explaining adding a node that does nothing but harm you

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-senator-armstrong-explain-gif-25119725

[north pike]

FS descriptions that don't tell you the charge gives armor pen on ranged attacks with zealot teeeheeee

[subtle flame]

what node?

[rose dagger]

thought it was just that crits penetrate and it makes you crit for a few seconds

[royal falcon]

warp rider except I lied

but
going just by the description you'd think that

[cyan notch]

she ride on my warp till i explode on her peril

[spice veldt]

sus

[rose dagger]

What is this from lol

[nocturne badge]

surge blessing on trauma doesn't trigger double explosions right?

[rose dagger]

It does not sadly

[plucky token]

what is better dmg against carapce or dmg against unyeilding

[spice veldt]

nice photoshop

[solemn dune]

well.. ill take this for my first dueling sword upon reaching 30 with my Psyker lmao. quite good but not 380

[fringe garden]

Looks like definitive proof to me

[spice veldt]

which weapon?

[plucky token]

surge

[fierce crest]

between those two id say cara

[plucky token]

Want to use the staff to crush elites and bosses

[fierce crest]

i would just hit unyielding with my axe

[plucky token]

and Palpatine Lightning the wieners

Yeah I got a chainsword specifically for bosses. Ok thx

[pale matrix]

buy or not buy?

[cyan notch]

yes lol

[limber heath]

buy and pray

[rose dagger]

Psyker does shet boss dmg
But they can stagger lock a boss so there's that

[plucky token]

I feel like when I queue as psyker I get all psykers. So I get on my Zealot and its all Zealots.

Conspiracy?

[spice veldt]

I can't believe fatshark would do this to us

[slim zinc]

My glowy spikes don’t deal enough damage

[subtle flame]

with no buffs how long does it take to brain burst a bulwark?

[slim zinc]

2000 years give or take

[leaden lance]

Hello psyker chat I want to let you all know that I love all, coming from an ogryn main.

Whether you're running brain pop or knives or different types of shields. (Just don't love the zapzap ones because they make me lag in the frontline)

[slim zinc]

Thank you big man

[spice veldt]

if you know how many brain ruptures it takes, then here's the time it takes per rupture

[royal falcon]

psykers when they can't instantly vaporize the boss after deleting every horde, special and elite under the sun

[spice veldt]

:pensive:

[unique mist]

did you forget you gotta get off assail in order to switch to brain burst

[limber grove]

When does Psyker get chainsword?

[unique mist]

14

[royal falcon]

assa*l 🤮

[limber grove]

Thanks sibling

[spice veldt]

ass ail

[bleak isle]

They only had to buff it 3 times but chainsword finally feels good

[unique mist]

psykers when we need to choose between the blitz that incapacitates us and all an entire hord but wholly relies on teammates, or the blitz that is outclassed by a staff, or the blitz that reduces a horde to a fine red mist but is called OP by the entire community

decisions, decisions

hey Arc

[spice veldt]

hey hey

[unique mist]

do you actually run your greedy toughness build

[spice veldt]

yes

i unironically do

I don't like to spam Assail so I don't run EP

[subtle flame]

which one is which

[spice veldt]

I don't have enough points to spec into warp siphon because I went for all of the toughness talents up there

[unique mist]

smite, bb, assail

[spice veldt]

and disrupt destiny is disrupting its own destiny

so a keystone-less build fits what I want so far

[subtle flame]

what staff outclasses bb?

[unique mist]

voidstrike

[spice veldt]

I'll probably swap to Disrupt Destiny once they fix it around

BB's dps is generally quite depressing

[subtle flame]

i mean

[azure karma]

how do i use purgatous?

[subtle flame]

i like it for saftey

[spice veldt]

its main advantages being decent at carapace, having range, and dinking bulwarks

[azure karma]

spam or channel

[unique mist]

spam

everywhere

[spice veldt]

only problem is that vstrike is a solid weapon that can kill crushers, has range, and bulwarks reliably

[subtle flame]

really?

[unique mist]

oh uh

of course you gotta charge it up

but spam charged shots

[royal falcon]

voidstrike

[unique mist]

run warp nexus (crit chance on peril) and warp flurry (faster charge time after repeated casts)

purgatus applies double soulblaze stacks on crit

[subtle flame]

i just like the eas of use with bb

[unique mist]

and because soulblaze has exponential damage scaling for earliy-mid stacks you want to get a lot on an enemy very quickly

[north cradle]

Metal Gear Rising. You should play it.

[azure karma]

yeh thats what i have

[subtle flame]

wait are we talking general use or just monster?

[unique mist]

so run high crit chance for purgatus and faster charge time

[onyx sentinel]

bb with double shield is really fun on damnation

has anyone given it a go at maelstorm runs yet

[unique mist]

for...what?

https://imgur.com/a/NezYsz8 purgatus memes

[subtle flame]

bb/staffs

[unique mist]

voidstrike is better in everything but you have to aim it

it has better horde clear, single target damage, and it has stats that directly buff it

it generates vastly less peril

charges faster with blessings to make it even better

[subtle flame]

hehe head go pop

[unique mist]

and interacts with everything that bb does

why pop one head when you can pop an entire line of heads

a full column

[subtle flame]

nah

i dont like the idea of "why use this when you have this"

everything has its uses

[unique mist]

anyways @spice veldt i copied what you did but sacrificed one toughness node and one keystone-path perk to get dome and toughness shield

[spice veldt]

it does fit a role in certain builds

[spice veldt]

hell yeah

the virus is spreading

[unique mist]

but should i sacrifice true aim or solidity

who am i kidding

solidity

[next heart]

the use of bb is to proc it on a 10% chance when using voidstrike

[subtle flame]

what build?

[onyx sentinel]

what's changed to voidstrike that makes it better than trauma for clears? just the damage buffs?

I thought they nerfed the radius for void's ball

[unique mist]

trauma is just dooky in general

[subtle flame]

its fun tho

[fringe garden]

Trauma takes a little bit more skill to use effectively, I feel like

[unique mist]

voidstrike passes through enemies and can hit weakspots

also trauma is bugged on stairs where it just doesnt work on them

[next heart]

wait what? i thought it exploded on contact

[unique mist]

it has longer range

it has a "hit mass"

[fringe garden]

Void can absolutely pierce like a mofo

[unique mist]

i think

[fringe garden]

It will definitely stop against enough armor

[bleak isle]

If trauma could actually double splode from the critical double shot blessing I would use it more, purely for fun

[subtle flame]

the best thing isnt always the most fun

[fringe garden]

Sure

[unique mist]

trauma should get a blessing where the radius of the explosion is increased by 50% on crits instead of surge's current effects

[royal falcon]

assail

[subtle flame]

gets boring real fast

[onyx sentinel]

I just realized bb's damage isn't static..

was wondering why i wasnt one shotting ragers

[bleak isle]

Or make it so that the whole radius counts as the epicenter on a crit. Let you delete an entire patrol of Bulwarks in one shot

[spice veldt]

mmm trauma is quite good

it was the best generalist staff before the skill tree update and it still maintains the same strengths now

[azure karma]

how much does cloud radius actually increase radius

[spice veldt]

press [V] and hover over the stat bar for the range

it's something like 16.4m at 80% cloud radius

[bleak isle]

It’s good it just has boring blessings

[viscid matrix]

Every damage buff to warp attacks also affects BR

[spice veldt]

Cloud Radius is the most important stat on purg, generally speaking

[spice veldt]

my build which takes all of the toughness nodes #1158835513789272126 message

[subtle flame]

does it...does it work?

[spice veldt]

yeah it works

but if you're not taking advantage of the extra toughness then it's prob useless for most people

[azure karma]

why

[spice veldt]

being able to reach enemies is generally the main conundrum with the purg

and cloud radius increases the range of the flames

[fierce crest]

cuz if you dont hit none of the other stats matter

[next heart]

radius is cubed for area

[spice veldt]

quadraitieiodsndjf isgd

[fierce crest]

bless you

[next heart]

err, volume, not area

[spice veldt]

I like to hold W into ranged patrols, and I don't really get my toughness broken unless i'm being dum dum (not a rare occurrence)

[atomic forum]

i have just upgraded to a max cloud radius purgatus staff and it does feel like a considerable improvement in usability

[subtle flame]

what weapons?

[spice veldt]

Trauma (Blazing Spirit/Rending Shockwave) + Assail + MK4 Duelling Sword

it's basically a build you would run for melee maelstrom

except I run it on every mission

[fierce crest]

blazing no crit :(

[spice veldt]

True Aim 😎

[ornate hamlet]

does the warp charge bug affect the wall shield or only bubble shield

[fierce crest]

ahhhh

of course

[atomic forum]

i honestly love purgatus even more than i used to now, it feels like it kills faster, has pretty ok boss damage if it isn't dead in like 10s, and all of the crits on it proc crit perks so much

[slim ridge]

hey pro psykers

[spice veldt]

works on both

[ornate hamlet]

damn

[spice veldt]

I think it doesn't work on the wall if you have the 2x upgrade node

[ornate hamlet]

anyone else just leave lobbies when they see bug abusers?

[slim ridge]

?

bug abuse?

[spice veldt]

nah but I understand it

[slim ridge]

like infinite smite?

[fierce crest]

only smite

cuz my frames

[slim ridge]

oh

[fierce crest]

idk about anything else

[slim ridge]

yeah i got into a lobby with one last night it was funny

[spice veldt]

my ability to tolerate stuff in games has been refined over the time that I've played

[fierce crest]

cheaters tho yeah i'll leave

[spice veldt]

well, I've also gotten pissy about many things as well

[fierce crest]

i wanna actually shoot stuff please

[spice veldt]

but now that I no longer have a melee playstyle, it is what it is

[slim ridge]

how do u guys

do pick n mix

without cheating

im on day 4

slowly losing my sanity

[fierce crest]

idk i got it pretty fast

[slim ridge]

is it

[spice veldt]

it's easy if you time travelled to the past before the skill tree update

[potent echo]

Does it work with BR?

[atomic forum]

did they change the faster brain burst on shout thing to have less duration on the faster bb?

[slim ridge]

idk

[fierce crest]

play on difficulty where you can 1shot all the guys

[sand ice]

Pick n mix is bugged for me

[slim ridge]

it has to be heresy

i thought

[fierce crest]

yeah

[atomic forum]

because I recall it being very easy with that perk previously

[ornate hamlet]

its shocking how fatshit has taken a week to fix these gamebreaking bugs

[potent echo]

Heresy has less elites though

[sand ice]

ive done it at least 10 times now

[fierce crest]

dont do damnation

[sand ice]

no penance

[potent echo]

I think it's easier to do damnation where they throw like 10 gunners at you

[slim ridge]

😦

[fierce crest]

oh its only 4

[slim ridge]

yeah

but lik

[fierce crest]

do a hound swarm mission

[slim ridge]

some guy onb my team crack grenades the last guy

[potent echo]

Or that lmao

[fierce crest]

pop pop pop pop

[slim ridge]

ight ill try that

ive been doing shock troop gauntlets with no luck

[fierce crest]

even on damnation that works

cuz swarm hounds have like 20% health

[spice veldt]

in terms of consistency, Commsplex is the ideal map for it because it has guaranteed gunner/shotgunner spawns during the midevent

[slim ridge]

yeah i read that somewhere

havent seen a heresy lobby for it tho

[potent echo]

What is commsplex

[atomic forum]

yeah i was gonna say i feel like there are tons of places where there are just like. 10 gunners shooting you

[ornate hamlet]

how does cooldown reduction affect brain burst, smite and assail

[spice veldt]

i got my pick n' mix on the same day that Commsplex was released (purely coincidental)

[slim ridge]

no idea

im using the final talent that gives you empower on elite kill

[spice veldt]

the throneside map where the midevent has an interrogator section, and you have to ride up the elevator after completion

[slim ridge]

hoping that will help me complete it

[atomic forum]

cooldown reduction is for ability not blitz

[potent echo]

Oh that stupid ass event

[atomic forum]

so shout/bubble/scrier

[potent echo]

Gunners gunners everywhere

[ornate hamlet]

omg im stupid

[slim ridge]

yeah its literally just getting fucked by teammates then

that sucks

i only have a 2 man premade rn

[atomic forum]

i love cooldown reduction tbh i take it on all my curios. i really like bubble now

[slim ridge]

bubble is insane

[atomic forum]

i think shout is really useful and multipurpose but i like bubble too much now

[slim ridge]

im only using shout for penances atm

[atomic forum]

saying no to flamers and snipers while rezing

[slim ridge]

miss my bubble

[solemn dune]

bubble is life imo

[spice veldt]

i would take shout if it weren't on the opposite side of the nodes that I really want

[potent echo]

I keep being sniped through bubble

[atomic forum]

that too

[slim ridge]

?

[potent echo]

Does it actually stop sniper bullets

[slim ridge]

sniper doesnt hit through bubble

[atomic forum]

like shout is great but the nodes on that side aren't quite what i want

[spice veldt]

the bubble stop snipers, but it might be inconsistent?

[slim ridge]

fatshark moment

[fierce crest]

it is

[spice veldt]

when the bubble was close to decaying, a sniper shot went through my bubble

[atomic forum]

i've definitely stopped a sniper once with it, haven't seen it many times though

[potent echo]

Maybe the bubble expired on the server side

Whomst'cefck'st

[atomic forum]

i'd imagine it can overpen if the bubble dies

[potent echo]

Or that maybe

[fierce crest]

ive seen it go through without breaking the bubble

[potent echo]

moment

[solemn dune]

try this and let me know what you think. i changed the weapons but the skill tree remains. Just made it to 30 today and i love this setup
https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a586787-e562-4d57-aaaa-0bd120a738ad

[regal musk]

Its super annoying that you need to pick specific blitz/abilities to get access to some smaller nodes. IMO, all those majopr nodes should branch to a single point before going deeper into the tree

[fierce crest]

tho ive started to just double bubble and have seen it since

[solemn dune]

brb baby is awake

[fierce crest]

(i want a normal cooldown)

[spice veldt]

i do think that it's a neat quirk of psyker's tree that you can go across without any penalty

but at the same time, there's not much need for you to weave and mix the sides of your tree

like all the crit stuff is on the right side

[potent echo]

I think zealot tree is better in that aspect

[spice veldt]

and I don't really want anything on the left side

[potent echo]

You are never locked out of anything

[fierce crest]

warpfire spread :(

[atomic forum]

imo i value battle meditation more than perilous combustion

[fierce crest]

i wanna take warpfire and crit for prug

[spice veldt]

yeah zealot's tree seemed neat to me

a lot of fun stuff in zealot's tree

[potent echo]

Wildfire is only "good" on purg

[spice veldt]

I consider perilous combustion to be one of the best nodes

[fierce crest]

yeah its so nice

[thorn cedar]

perilous is wild

[atomic zephyr]

is the devils claw worth using on psykers?

[fierce crest]

way better than warpfire on special BB

[potent echo]

Yea ofc

[fierce crest]

and special kill

[potent echo]

It's better than illisi

[atomic forum]

did they change the amount of stacks perilous combustion applies?

[fierce crest]

whats the devils Mk of choice these days

[atomic zephyr]

what blessings to run on it?

[potent echo]

You want to take savage sweep / rampage and start blending hordes

I like mk4

[spice veldt]

seems good; i'd personally de-select the left-bottom branch and go for kinetic deflection/true aim but it is what it is

[potent echo]

The heavy 1shot flamers and trappers and bombers

2 shots mutants

In ambient it also mostly 1 shots trash

Feels infinitely better than waving the illisi around and doing nth

[atomic forum]

illisi feels pretty underwhelming now

[fierce crest]

i wish it had a better light combo

h1l2 is great

but lll feeks weird'

[atomic forum]

im just back around to duelling sword like i liked using in beta lol

stabbing things in the head is just fun

[spice veldt]

i wish force swords had an offensive push-attack

[solemn dune]

I tried one match with the Right side instead and i didnt see much diff in damage but i did see a huge diff in my quelling speed, and the coherency sharing efficiency. it really comes down to preferences. 30% quell speed is so good 😄

[atomic forum]

personally i prefer the quell speed

[shy pewter]

Did they hotfix Warp Siphon and Telekine Shield yet?

[unique mist]

@spice veldt testing rending 3 on my aforeshown mk4 duelling sword, damage scales from 441 at 0 stacks to 1019 at 5 stacks, with the biggest % jump being at 1 stack of 620. that's a 40% damage boost on carapace (and flak, but numbers change obviously). on unyielding it was a 27% boost at 1 stack. maniac it was ~4% per stack. this blessing is way better than i thought

[atomic forum]

i find you just don't really need the extra damage of crits on knives, but that's because I don't use voidstrike or something else that can make use of true aim

[spice veldt]

yeah they buffed rending and made it really good

[atomic forum]

voidstrike with true aim seems nuts

[fierce crest]

as long as you have something that makes good use of the true aim crit, true aim is great

[spice veldt]

with +120% rending, you will always receive at least a +25% damage boost against all armour types except unarmoured and infested

[fierce crest]

even unyielding?

[spice veldt]

ye

works against unyielding

[fierce crest]

neat

[potent echo]

Brittle the boss for your TH zealot

[spice veldt]

free +8% damage

well i don't know how it works with adm

i think the th has like a 400% multiplier against unyielding when powered right

is it like 408% damage or 400% * 1.08 with extra rending

[potent echo]

Can one shot a daemonhost in the meatgrinder

But working on making it work in game

[spice veldt]

god bless shroudfield

[potent echo]

You have to do a backstab headshot which is kind of funky

[ornate hamlet]

is surge good on void staff

[potent echo]

Yes

[ornate hamlet]

essential?

[spice veldt]

particularly with the True Aim talent

[atomic forum]

i need to try rending trauma staff more, my build's main downside is boss damage and purgatus is ok but buffing my teammates damage is prob better when im playing with friends

[spice veldt]

tbh i just stab bosses with the duelling sword if I can

more depressing against the bonbon but at least it takes 2x explosion damage so i just trauma it

[atomic forum]

purgatus is pretty nice cuz you can target ads around the boss too, same as trauma, so still helps out the team like that

[potent echo]

Yea psyker just focus on adds mainly during boss

If you have a rumbler glugger or a TH zealot then bosses are easy

[atomic forum]

stacking burn + stabbing though.. that's probably a lot better than just purg when ads aren't around. weapon blessings still apply to burns you have active right?

[potent echo]

Yea

So you can quickswap and give a light roast, back to duelling sword

Assuming your duelling sword has 25 unyielding

[subtle flame]

FINALLLYYYYYYY

[near wyvern]

Nah, just absolutely overtuned

[potent echo]

Pick n mix completed?

[subtle flame]

my last one was the push one lol

i did pick n mix and warp battery in the same mission

[potent echo]

Yeet

[potent echo]

Damn

[subtle flame]

im gonna hurl...

[small mango]

how yopu gety the omnstrom quest done

hook me up lol

[near wyvern]

289 base stats get out

[gilded viper]

nice job, pick n mix was my worst one to finish personally

[near wyvern]

You get in a private game and either:

• have a friend to tank a Daemonhost for you
• find a best of Nurgle near a ladder

[subtle flame]

im saying its terrible

[small mango]

im assuming i need to get a full party, otherwise bots hit it right

[near wyvern]

No o
If they are dead

[spice veldt]

p much, or you let the bots die

[gilded viper]

you can only do that penance in private anyways

[next heart]

on heresy bots die instantly

[near wyvern]

Just don't ress bots

[spice veldt]

if you're confident in 2-manning a heresy, then it should be fine

[near wyvern]

I can't type today

[spice veldt]

trajedy

[gilded viper]

typing is dumb anyways

just will words into existence

[small mango]

i gotta find people for tanking now

[near wyvern]

You either need a shield ogryn or then another Psyker with a force sword, preferably Deimos

[gilded viper]

Does Deimos got more stamina now or something? I still mostly stick with Illisi

[spice veldt]

duelling swords also work

[strong gulch]

Ignore trickshooter, that's getting swapped with hand cannon.

Should I replace elites or specialists?

[subtle flame]

@spice veldt for your toughness build, what upgrades do you you have for distrupt?

[gilded viper]

Elites tend to be beefier so I'd get rid of specials

[spice veldt]

I don't run Disrupt Destiny since it's bugged and very meh at this point in time except for melee-only maelstroms or lights out

[strong gulch]

Good point

[spice veldt]

but if I were to spec into Disrupt Destiny, I would deselect +quell speed and +coherency radius

[subtle flame]

hows it bugged? also what do you use then?

[spice veldt]

marked enemies occasionally do not glow, so you have no idea who to attack for stacks

[spice veldt]

I don't run any keystones currently

[near wyvern]

https://youtu.be/zlUkBoKxY10?si=VmQCj2g0nql22qXe&start=57

[spice veldt]

I don't need EP since I don't really spam it and it's more-than-enough at this point in time
Warp Siphon is too much of a point investment from me; it's a nice 16-24% damage that can be consistently maintained, but I do not value it over the toughness feats that I have taken

[subtle flame]

you can probs trade a lil toughness for infinite shields with warp charge

[potent echo]

Can you still one shot muties?

[gilded viper]

I do like Warp Charges, especially for shield upkeep, otherwise yah, keystones aren't a huge deal for psyker

[spice veldt]

yeah i'm just very greedy for toughness

being able to just be really stupid against ranged enemies is my favorite pasttime

straight up standing in front of the team and spamming inefficient dodges while spamming assail

and with 0 hp damage

god bless america

[near wyvern]

Yes, especially if you have warp siphon Keystone with full battery

[spice veldt]

muties also got their hp nerfed from 4000 hp to 3800

[near wyvern]

You can also one shots Mutants with Duelling Sword MK4 now

[potent echo]

Yea I use that

It has simply replaced my Deimos

[gilded viper]

Deimos Heavy 2 silly as ever, also dash dancing on the daemonhost lol

[near wyvern]

Except for Assail the Empower is completely busted and should be nerfed, it doubles the amount of targets the shard can hit

[spice veldt]

crack cocaine

[gilded viper]

You mean if running assail empower is good, but otherwise not worth it?

[near wyvern]

All you really need is any object that you can go around and there you go, easy host tanking even without kinetic deflection

[subtle flame]

@spice veldt how much toughness do you have with the build?

[near wyvern]

Yup. If you have a couple extra points you can consider it in some builds but in general yes.

[gilded viper]

I'm still screwing around a lot with builds tbh, I'm scheming up a Scrier's build on Purge to see how much crits a second I can get

[spice veldt]

with 5x +15 toughness nodes, you can achieve 135 base toughness. With +66% from curios, you get 225 max toughness

[atomic zephyr]

With the new riposte buff, would you consider it on a deimos? I tried 1 gMe with it, wasnt too sure if i was criting or not

[subtle flame]

is distrupt destiny really that broken?

[gilded viper]

Easy enough to get kills with purge and quell speed can get crazy high

[near wyvern]

Mainly because BR just sucks ass so much at the moment, mostly because kinetic presence is not giving the +10% special that the description says

[potent echo]

Mainly has value vs bosses

[spice veldt]

i think disrupt destiny is a nice thing to have; but the other problem it has is the behavior that it has by design

[subtle flame]

also whats the apeal to dueling sword?

[spice veldt]

it only marks human-sized non-specialist enemies that aren't groaners/poxwalkers, so you often lose your stacks if you're a loot goblin like me or even just during normal hordes/special waves

[near wyvern]

Riposte is solid, especially if you want to nuke monstrosities with it, but also against mutants, since even tho you can one shot the optimal play is to dodge and then stab the head at the same time so that if you miss the head you are not grabbed

[atomic zephyr]

Hmm never thought of it that way

[gilded viper]

Disrupt Destiny doesn't seem to mark melee enemies like ever

[near wyvern]

But I would run uncanny over riposte any day

[spice veldt]

I really like the concept of disrupt destiny but I think it's a mix of taking quite some effort to build up stacks and also all of your stacks dropping at the same time

[thorn cedar]

ignoring the bug where you cant actually see what's tagged by it i think DD is p. gud if you increase the duration to 30s instead of 15s

[potent echo]

But FS probably has better blessings

[thorn cedar]

but also it needs a range buff

[potent echo]

Unstable power is still good

[thorn cedar]

40m imo

[atomic zephyr]

I have a deimos with uncanny and riposte

[potent echo]

Might help you reach breakpoints

[gilded viper]

I can pretty consistently get 20-25 stacks, which is why I'm stuck between sticking with the cap doubling or switching to the buff lasting longer

[thorn cedar]

yea its hard to choose

weakspot bonus one makes high stacks pretty trivial to reach if the shit doesnt bug out

but i'd rather smooth out the lows than reach highs

[near wyvern]

If you are really good with your aim, uncanny executor is the ultimate boss DPS, but if you hit a body Executor is reset, sadly even if you cleave through a head

Rending damage bonus and power stack multiplicatively with each other

[gilded viper]

consistensy vs higher highs, a tale as old as time

[atomic zephyr]

Maybe unstable power would be better.

Ill leave riposte on and test against bosses again

[spice veldt]

DD for all of the plasteel-haters

i wish being a loot goblin wasn't a detriment to DD

[gilded viper]

I wish teammates weren't a detriment to dd

[spice veldt]

tru

[gilded viper]

I love my gun lugger friends but damn I can get stacks of shit with them around

[spice veldt]

it's a keystone that's gr8 for solo

i had fun with it when i was dicking around in a solo mission

[gusty furnace]

I didn't. And I got it when BB allowed you to gain warp charges on all trash.

[spice veldt]

but yeah it's very sad to lose all of your stacks when looting or a teammate steals the kill

[gusty furnace]

I feel really bad for everyone trying to get warp battery now

[spice veldt]

ironically, Venting Shriek is ideal for DD so that you can push your marked target and reset the timer on your stacks

[subtle flame]

it was hell, i did it, i also got pick n mix at the same time

[gilded viper]

Isn't Warp Battery just 3 minutes total uptime on max stacks?

[gusty furnace]

300 seconds

[subtle flame]

5 minutes

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, its a giant pain in the ass.

And the changes to Warp Charges just made it even harder to do.

For a penance that's already a "patience check"

[gilded viper]

Yah, built in Quicken is a little dumb

I'd rather just keep the stacks

[gusty furnace]

Yeah, Warp Charges need some changes.

That whole keystone is just. . . really mediocre.

And makes you make really dumb decisions.

The keystone may as well read "You don't get to use your ults anymore"

[unique mist]

you know the best thing about warp charges?

they decay one at a time

[gilded viper]

They used to not do that

[gusty furnace]

I didn't play Psyker then.

Though I did play Darktide then.

Psyker was my last class to level, and I did it a couple weeks before patch 13.

Thank god for the refund bug.

[unique mist]

the huh

[gusty furnace]

I spent 40ish thousand refund bug plasteel to kit out psyker.

Which would've costed me right around 150,000 real plasteel

[unique mist]

what

[gusty furnace]

For a brief period of time before patch 13, all loading screens would refund 80% of the resources spent at Hadron

[gilded viper]

I always need more plasteel, especially since I still don't have surge on a voidstrike

[cinder mesa]

i dont understand what is going on with warp charges or such anymore, i just use empowered pscionics and call it a day

IIRC in past gained from BBing or through traits with kills

[gilded viper]

I like warp charges on shield(s) as it can basically have near constant uptime, but otherwise keystones aren't super nescessary imo

[cinder mesa]

now idek anymore

since the breakdown of what passives you have in the talent tree is...I feel lacking unless i missed a place

[unique mist]

isnt there a barrier bug with warp charges where you can cast it infinitely

or did they patch that

[gusty furnace]

Any kill on an elite or special gives you one warp charge. Using your ult spends all warp charges and drops the cooldown of that ability by 7.5% per warpcharge spent.

[fast timber]

still in the game

[fast timber]

same as infinite lighting (smite)

[gusty furnace]

So its not tied to brainburst anymore(good), but makes you not use your ult(Bad)

Especially because BB's breakpoints are still tied to Warp Charges

which is the worst part of the warpcharge keystone.

[cinder mesa]

thats the keystone one but isnt there one we still have sorta passive that i see listing off? unless thats a different buff im looking at

i just assumed it was like the blast where it was an upgraded version

[gilded viper]

You can either get a 4% chance to get a charge when an ally in cohesion or yourself gets a kill, or a 10% on enemies killed by soulflame

[gusty furnace]

too bad soulflame sucks ass

[unique mist]

well actually

[gusty furnace]

Ah yes, 150 damage over 10 seconds

[gilded viper]

Purge is fun I don't know what you mean

[unique mist]

that 10% procs on any enemies killed while having soul flame

[gusty furnace]

Purge isn't soulflame

[unique mist]

the soulblaze doesn't actually have to kill it

[cinder mesa]

if there was a way to easier work with lightning to spread soul flame everywhere itd be so good

[gusty furnace]

While it shoots it.

Its a bunch of different mechanics tied together that make it good.

Soulflame by itself, like off Trauma Staff or Voidstrike Staff with Blazing Spirit is really really bad.

[cinder mesa]

but i feel now you still want a purgatus staff to reliably spread it first

even with all the traits

[gilded viper]

the flamethrower staff is the best for flame builds? shocking.

[gusty furnace]

Its a poor balancing act is all I'm saying.

[cinder mesa]

well right, i mean more that others really struggle even with passives, smite has an interesting potential here for example

[gusty furnace]

Blazing Spirit on Force Swords and Staffs is basically a dead in the water blessing.

Since it doesn't apply full soulflame stacks on activation.

[gilded viper]

I wouldn't mind blazing spirit going from a weapon trait to a passive in the skill tree

[spice veldt]

and the existence of purgatus itself prevents you from making the soulblaze talents particulaly strong

because you have to balance around the fact that you can apply a ridiculous amount of soulblaze around you

[gilded viper]

Ogryn can set stuff on fire with the gun lugger ult, maybe scrier's could get something like that

[spice veldt]

soulblaze is ultimately a dead route to go down in terms of balance because of purg

[gusty furnace]

I still find Scrier's Gaze really clunky.

Its best with voidstrike

but voidstrike is so strong right now that it just doesn't matter

[cinder mesa]

ive yet to try running scriers

but im still only at lvl 26

[gusty furnace]

Warp Nexus+Surge on Voidstrike with Scrier's Gaze is really dumb.

Good, but really dumb.

And you run into the whole "clunky" aspect of it, where peril gain is far too fast

[cinder mesa]

it seems like itd be funny with assail crit builds

[gilded viper]

assail's peril gain makes it difficult to use alongside scrier's, at least speaking from personal experience

[gusty furnace]

Peril Refund on weakspot kill really brings out the best in Scrier's Gaze on Voidstrike

[ornate hamlet]

best blessings on the purgatus?

[gusty furnace]

That's the biggest problem with Scrier's Gaze

its a gun ult

[cinder mesa]

doesnt assail weakspot kill too?

[gilded viper]

Flurry + Nexus typically

[still hearth]

Warp Nexus and Warp Flurry (or whatever you feel like replacing Flurry with)

[gusty furnace]

Peril Refund on Weakspot Kill is a blessing specific to staffs

Only the Voidstrike can actually use it