psyker-class

[primal plume]

Maybe

but its almost uncanny for surge to kill things that arnt flak with ease

[tropic geyser]

On a surge staff crit build, what blessings? warp nexus, and the one that increases charge time, or the surge blessing for double shot on a crit?

[long wharf]

you don't get surge blessing on surge staff

each staff is a separate item archtype

they don't share blessings

[primal plume]

Surge only affects projectiles

so unless you really REALLY like the left click, dont get it

this is what mine looks like

[vapid wagon]

thats what i thought

but ofc discord says its effects 2nd

[left basin]

is it sexy

wut it do

[ornate hamlet]

Didn't someone say critical weakspot was a waste of a blessing for infantry lasgun? (single shot variant)

[left basin]

like all people used to before a certain date

[ornate hamlet]

I was about to say... This is doing phenomenally. Idk why more people aren't using it for sciers gaze.

esp. with a 1500 crit without using SG

[long wharf]

because psykers using a rifle is heresy

[frigid sparrow]

If I want crit for surge on my voidstrike, how do I do that?

Crit aura + Gaze?

[ornate hamlet]

Gaze is YOLO mode.

Youhave serious potential for death by overcharge.

As the rate of peril gain increases every second

Makes for good tanking though if you have something with seriously high peril reduction, just hold quell while you tank.

[ebon jolt]

I think it's great. True Aim and Headhunter help you pump out the crits too. I personally prefer the headhunter MkVII tho.

[ornate hamlet]

This is just a godroll I received, I ahven't sought out other rifles since.

You don't need head hunter really as you have a perk that gives you a crit every five headshots in your talent tree.

swap flak for maniac?

[fierce crest]

true aim

the bottom right passive

[frigid sparrow]

Ah

Which means I really gotta get disrupt destiny then huh?

[fierce crest]

no

not a VS build but

[frigid sparrow]

Ooh

OKay

Well I have surge on my voidstrike, double dmg on crit

Just didn't know how to really get crit

[ebon jolt]

And warp nexus.

[fierce crest]

warp nexus also good

i wouldnt grab crit perk

[ebon jolt]

I think tranfer peril is probably the best.

[left basin]

when they will bring back my boy obscurus 😦

[fierce crest]

problem with cast speed is i think chaining shots is boring, and warp nexus helps with that anyway

would rather have the higher crit to start

assuming you are building peril other ways

if youre only whipping it out with true aim stacked i guess transfer peril or maybe focused is better

hmm much to think about

use assail and VS but only when you have True Aim, use melee all other times

become balanced

[left basin]

does brane borst reach ANY interesting breakpoints on

full warp bat

[fierce crest]

i dont think it 2shots bulwarks without it

[left basin]

https://tenor.com/view/avatar-movie-fall-falling-meme-gif-24396824

[fierce crest]

and you can get it to 2shot crushers and reapers with scriers

[lethal kite]

any tips for a new psyker for leveling?

[fierce crest]

use new weapons you get

[lethal kite]

i more ment around skill tree, but sure

[left basin]

disrespect veterans for thought up reasons

[fierce crest]

soulstealer is great if you have a warp weapon, if youre ok spamming assail too

[ornate hamlet]

its so hard to make a pysker loadout without abusing a gamebreaking bug

What bug?

[left basin]

emp psy or warp siph

[fierce crest]

shield and smite

[ornate hamlet]

what bug this guy says

[left basin]

say things at me

[fierce crest]

what else is bugged?

[spice veldt]

these two nodes are easily two of the best and cheapest nodes that you can access early

[ornate hamlet]

What happens with them?

I don't remember what those nodes do

[fierce crest]

do you have the mental fortitude not to abuse them?

[ornate hamlet]

i can only play my warpfire loadout since that doesnt abuse any bugs

No this is new to me. I've been using the darts and not smite.

[left cedar]

I’d recommend take assail asap as it only take 4 talent points

[spice veldt]

Soulstealer is +15% toughness per warp kill, and Perilous Combustion applies soulblaze for every elite/special you kill (except through soulblaze)

[spice veldt]

true

[ornate hamlet]

Quick question for anyone in the know

[left cedar]

assail is way better than bb in lower lvl

[ornate hamlet]

Does soulblaze DoT crit or just the initial hit

[ornate hamlet]

I got the first one but not the second

[left basin]

it used to apply double dot on crit on purg

[fierce crest]

smite + psionics doesnt consume peril properly, shield + siphon fully resets the cooldown

[left basin]

i dunno

[spice veldt]

DoTs themselves don't crit

[ornate hamlet]

The heck. That's odd

[left cedar]

For leveling just take assail and two upgrades when u hit lvl 7, and explore whatever u want as road to 30

U won’t face any difficulty <heresy with assail

[ornate hamlet]

I use assail for ads and Void strike for big dudes and just long chains of ads

[fierce crest]

honestly thats probly as strong as the bugged stuff

[full musk]

replace which bless with uncanny?

[fierce crest]

precog

[spice veldt]

i vote precog

[full musk]

cool, that's what i was gonna do

[fierce crest]

does the headshot damage math still suck this patch?

[spice veldt]

if you want to make a boss-killer, then keep precog; but otherise I prefer riposte in every other situation

[left cedar]

I like precog but it’s lvl3

[spice veldt]

still the same yeah

[fierce crest]

combat axe stay losing

[left cedar]

and 2s proc on precog is way unstable

[ornate hamlet]

Voidstike pre overhaul felt meh again cara. But now it feels like it slaps on weak spot hits

Take out specialists in one go on a full charge

With a headshot

[fierce crest]

yeah its nuts

[full musk]

it felt meh on most things

[fierce crest]

1shot crushers lul

[ornate hamlet]

With high enough damage percentage?

[fierce crest]

with double crit blessing

[ornate hamlet]

Ahhh. On weak spots?

[fierce crest]

yeah

[ornate hamlet]

Dats nuts

[fierce crest]

supposedly it doesnt even need +carapace damage

but i have not rolled one to try

[ornate hamlet]

I haven't really seen the appeal of the other staffs.

At least pre overhaul

[fierce crest]

soulblaze makes me feel cool

but my main build uses a revolver

[spice veldt]

purg has infinite cleave, surge is there and I personally don't like it, and trauma has infinite cleave but in a circle and neat stagger

[fierce crest]

blam blam

[spice veldt]

i use trauma because I am incapable of seeing anything past 5m and occasionally (frequently) get cornered by crushers

[fierce crest]

thats what axe is for

bonk

[spice veldt]

an axe is an unrefined weapon for a person like I

for I can use the duelling swords

[fierce crest]

yeah but stagger crusher for no peril cost

[spice veldt]

you can do that with the DS special as well

just that you have to hit the head

[fierce crest]

but that doesnt do damage

[spice veldt]

neither does the caxe special to my knowledge

[fierce crest]

yeah you dont need to use the axe special to stagger them

[ornate hamlet]

Well the light attack version seems better for single target

[spice veldt]

ah that's what you mean

[ornate hamlet]

When you rev it up

[fierce crest]

bonk

[full musk]

mine doesn't and one shots on crit

[spice veldt]

can the caxe two-shot a crusher

[left cedar]

tbh I feel true aim is why VS so OP after patch

or compare to other staffs

[fierce crest]

what should i spend my other points on

[fierce crest]

cmon man

[spice veldt]

rumbled and tumbled (39% crit chance attainable btw) https://streamable.com/77q3s6

[fierce crest]

VS makes the best use of double crit, and true aim and double crit synergize super well

[spice veldt]

god bless fatshark allowing a single attack to proc True Aim multiple times

grab a cleave melee weapon and you can just fish for ranged crits for any ranged weapon

[fierce crest]

or a fast melee

[left basin]

me not understand smite

https://tenor.com/view/gross-bleh-nope-grossed-out-yuck-gif-5759353

[fierce crest]

also i did try true aim with the crit stream guns

didnt like it

prefer the big revolver crit or the multi crit from assail

[left cedar]

with VS massive headshot hitbox

[fierce crest]

yeah with VS as well obviously (cringe)

[left cedar]

giant ball hitbox is HUGE

assail by its own has ~50% headshot rate

[fierce crest]

if purgatus had crit streams it would be great

but alas

only spray weapon without them 🙃

[fierce crest]

someone help

ive got creative block

[spice veldt]

no 😎

i'd take quietitude just cuz if you don't have any other plans

only a 1 point investment for a little bit of generality

[tidal violet]

Brain Burst kills a single hard target, Assail kills many weak targets, Smite stuns and weakens many targets.

[fierce crest]

assail kills everything that isnt a crusher

[tidal violet]

Not in higher difficulties, and right now feels like a crutch waiting to snap.

[fierce crest]

for sure

i used it to proc crit talents with true aim

[tidal violet]

It already gets real plinky on Heresy/Damnation

[spice veldt]

you have 7 points left over right

[fierce crest]

is v fun that way

[naive imp]

It almsot does as much damage as 1 assail shard hit. Well…1 of the 6 😂

[fierce crest]

ye

[spice veldt]

I'd go for kinetic deflection as well

[fierce crest]

i could get all the +15 toughness

[spice veldt]

mostly for chaos spawns

[left cedar]

+15 toughness is p useless imo

[spice veldt]

psykinetic's aura is nice to have if you have leftover points

if not for you then for your teammates

[fierce crest]

what were crushers called in vt

the rothelms

were they just chaos knights

chaos warrior

love those guys

[fierce crest]

i paid for it

free upgrade to win11 broke it

fuck you im not paying for it again

[spice veldt]

i believe you

so these would basically be my "might as well go for them" picks

and the 3 other points you can spend depending on what you feel like depending on the time of day and alignment of the stars

[fierce crest]

its MS fault

i dont care

i bought it its mine, you cant shame me into buying it again

[spice veldt]

wow that's a nice picture of a sticker on an old laptop that you dug out from your closet 😇

[fierce crest]

hey

no bully

[spice veldt]

😇

[fierce crest]

it a hard worker

[spice veldt]

i respect it

[fierce crest]

its 4 extra points

i jsut

dont want any of this

i guess coherency is nice

[spice veldt]

oop i thought coherency was selected

with what ranged weapon is this?

[fierce crest]

yea the squish mod is hard to see

purg

and deimos

so lots of peril gen

[spice veldt]

hmm so peril isn't a concern at all

[fathom stream]

laspistol scrier's gaze is probably pretty good, i just suck at it, so will go back to one of these two i guess

[fierce crest]

i guess peril on kill is nice with purg

so could take both remaining toughness perks or one of the pre keystone perks

true aim kinda trash on bb purg tho

[restive slate]

How good is Vraks 3 on Scryer Psyker?

[spice veldt]

you could go for Perfect Timing to get a bit more warp damage for soulblaze if you want that

[fierce crest]

i do have warp nex on my purg

yeah

thats the play

[unique mist]

dont forget that with toughness on quell the peril on kill can also act as a toughness on kill talent

i love how psyker has just so many toughness talents

[fierce crest]

beefy

[soft pulsar]

my current staff :)*

[fierce crest]

GUH??

[spice veldt]

and all 1 node away from the starting point

[unique mist]

toughness on warp kill, toughness on peril quell, toughness on peril gen, toughness on crit, just fuckin toughness everywhere

[onyx sentinel]

there’s no balance reasoning why BB is specifically locked out of that node, same with why assail is locked out of the soulblaze node. Just seems like they’re throwing random nodes wherever they feel like

[spice veldt]

should've paid for windows

[fierce crest]

finalized

[long wharf]

you unlocked the hidden stealth tree

[unique mist]

is there a spreadsheet or table that tells me the damage per tick and total damage soulblaze stacks do

[fierce crest]

it didnt look like that to me, thats just what my screenshot program saw

[unique mist]

why peril on block?

[fierce crest]

what else

[unique mist]

idk i'd choose toughness on peril gen

but that's a me thing because i dont block ever

[silent coral]

can the M2 of the trauma staff crit?

[unique mist]

nor do i push

[spice veldt]

kinetic deflection is basically for chaos spawns

[spice veldt]

ye

and as a "nice thing" to have

[unique mist]

we are assail spam only in this household

[spice veldt]

it is a 2 node investment for guaranteeing your survival against chaos spawns

[long wharf]

it's the only way to get True Aim

[unique mist]

yes but they arent going true aim so

[fierce crest]

well, 2 for me, but crit is nice

[stable silo]

melkors store has blessed me are these buys or bricks find out on the 3 images judge melk for his decisions!

[fierce crest]

editor

[spice veldt]

sucks being slow

[unique mist]

+5% crit chance is a nice pickup regardless

[fierce crest]

could i?

[spice veldt]

what if chaos spawned all over you

[unique mist]

why block or push when you could be assailing

then i shall die

[long wharf]

why wouldn't you go for True Aim?

[spice veldt]

cuz purg + brain burst

[long wharf]

what are you doing that you aren't hitting weak spots?

[fierce crest]

why would i

[silent coral]

what perks do you suggest fro trauma staff btw?

[unique mist]

not being able to aim

[long wharf]

oh, purge and BB

ugh.

just threw up in my mouth a little

[restive slate]

Might need a daemon hostess for that

[spice veldt]

uhhhh, idon't really know for trauma for this patch; I've just been running carapace + elite so far

[long wharf]

carry urp on

[azure karma]

is there a way to try to get surge without wasting all my resources

[spice veldt]

does +maniac allow you to one-shot trappers?

[unique mist]

me taking a full minute to aim at a sniper with my voidstrike staff on controller

[fierce crest]

thats what your resources are for

[azure karma]

is surge t4 only

[long wharf]

yes

[left cedar]

wait till emperor give u one 550rating surge staff

[obtuse moth]

hmm anyone else missing all their loadouts post-patch?

[fierce crest]

yeah everyone is

sadly

[unique mist]

hey look, my dd marked an enemy. let me just charge up my voidstrike and aim at it...aim...aim at it...come on...just...point your cursor on the...fuckin...guy...DAMMIT my teammate got them

[long wharf]

540 max, sorry

[azure karma]

so the only way to get it is to make a weapon transcended?

[restive slate]

I spent forever trying to get that, then one day i got two

[fierce crest]

or get a transended weapon from other sources

[long wharf]

famous last words indeed

[fierce crest]

at least it forced me to rethink my loadouts

[obtuse moth]

wow who doesn't back everything up before a major patch

[unique mist]

where is that from

[fierce crest]

it wasnt a major patch :)

[spice veldt]

from the modding server

[obtuse moth]

if it has the potential to do this its major enough to need a backup

[potent moss]

what's done is done

[unique mist]

i wish console had mods

[stable silo]

which dueling sword is the meta version?

[potent moss]

mk 4

[keen harbor]

4 or 5

[fierce crest]

mk4 but 5 is good too

[stiff tide]

does the charge right click do more damage for smite

[keen harbor]

4 is anti ogryn and boss, 5 is not

[spice veldt]

mk4 has the best damage by a good margin

[stable silo]

what would u guys change on this one?

oh dan mk4 rocks

[potent moss]

mk 4 can also one stab charging mutants in the face if you have the right perk

[keen harbor]

I think you want to keep uncanny

[unique mist]

where is that from

[spice veldt]

from the damage breakdown screen

with a weapon selected in your inventory, press [V] and then [E]

[fierce crest]

emprah gave me great effects and bad stats 😢

[unique mist]

thanks i'll see how to do it on console

[ornate hamlet]

what do i replace the ranged damage with 🤔

[fierce crest]

[unique mist]

crit damage?

[fierce crest]

we are so back

its over

[untold fiber]

yo gotta say compared to the ogryn chat yall looking like a proper bunch of nerds

❤️

[stable silo]

i mean....its a cannon event

ogryn vs psykers....vs anything

[spice veldt]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/886742356529922172/1145863884545204335/attachment.gif

[fierce crest]

i went to zealot chat to ask about a shared melee weapon once

[royal falcon]

me after failing my peril edging

[untold fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/groundskeeper-willie-simpsons-scotland-scots-gif-14601840

[fierce crest]

what do i do #psyker-class message

[unique mist]

what perks to put on a mk4 duelling sword

[untold fiber]

waiting on punchline

[fierce crest]

that was the punchline

its me

im the punchline

[spice veldt]

cry and be sad I guess
precog to something (your poison of uncanny strike/unstable power/etc.) and stamina to something (probably maniac)

well maybe not maniac anymore

[untold fiber]

https://tenor.com/view/leonardo-dicaprio-clapping-clap-applause-amazing-gif-16078907558888063471

[spice veldt]

hmm

well you have brainburst so i suppose carapace doesn't matter

[fierce crest]

chopping ragers is nice

[fierce crest]

ah different build

wanna try smite

and i think revolver/illisi will complement nicely

[stable silo]

the best way to edge peril is to stroke your illis force sword a couple times you need to make sure not to burst but u can keep it even with a few strokes every now and then to max out that ride the warp

[spice veldt]

prob carapace so that crushers don't steal your lunch money

[fierce crest]

thats what revolver is for

blam blam

[long wharf]

ok siblings, suffer with me

[fierce crest]

that gun is too big for me

[fierce crest]

dead

[long wharf]

or not?

[unique mist]

not me consecrating a deimos force sword and getting blazing spirit 4

couldn't i have gotten unstable power 4 instead please

[fierce crest]

no

[fierce crest]

jeezus 8 stacks

[long wharf]

right?

[unique mist]

i really want blazing spirit 4 on another weapon but this sword is 378 and i dont want to surrender it :(((

also did you know you can machine gun voidstrike staff

[long wharf]

yes, but it's incredibly peril inefficient

[unique mist]

but its fun

[long wharf]

sure

[unique mist]

i wonder how much soulblaze you could spread doing that with blazing spirit 4, surge and a high crit build

[fierce crest]

contrast

[olive ember]

Alright

surge staff crits aren't that good

who tf said it 2 shots crushers

[fierce crest]

not surge staff, surge blessing

on VS staff

[olive ember]

well no one is arguing that

Some mf told me I didn't know how to use surge staff and that if I built it properly surge staff crits would 2 shot crushers

I've been deceived

[spice veldt]

i have a bridge to sell you

[fierce crest]

bridge over swampland in florida where oil snakes live

[untold fiber]

what do with

[fierce crest]

nothing

its done

[light latch]

Might be surge with 6 warp charges

[untold fiber]

oh i agree sir. but this fine course is one of many

[olive ember]

I am using surge with 6 warp charges

I have max perfect timing stacks too

[fierce crest]

scrier maybe

[untold fiber]

honestly ive been loooling with the handcannon

[fierce crest]

and warp rider

[spice veldt]

772 damage to carapace on a crit, so you need to get +94% damage somehow to two-shot crushers

[untold fiber]

ooooh this guy

[spice veldt]

die

[long wharf]

I stand corrected - 550 max ilvl

[untold fiber]

have a million times already

[olive ember]

Its not actually 772 damage, I can get up to like 1.2k with like all teh buffs active

[spice veldt]

you get +62% damage with max warp rider and perfect timing/malefic

[unreal sedge]

does this work only on my kills?

[untold fiber]

tysm

[spice veldt]

oh wait with +25% cara you get 102.5% damage

[olive ember]

@spice veldt

[light latch]

Peter

[olive ember]

so with perfect timing, and 10% elite damage AND warp charges AND Warp Rider

[spice veldt]

seems doable then at high peril

with +carapace?

[olive ember]

you can maybe hit the 2 crusher breakpoint

[fierce crest]

and if not, scrier

[olive ember]

yeah with all the investments you can hit the two crusher breakpoint

[spice veldt]

trajedy

[untold fiber]

saved

[olive ember]

its truly a staff of all time

[fierce crest]

i wish bb could crit

even if it was just with perfect aim

would be a breakpoint FIEND

[untold fiber]

wow. tis buddy. Whole setup is pretty zen too

[muted lantern]

am i missing something with sciers gaze, it doesn't seem very good for what it is

[untold fiber]

Mage's beserk i imagine

[muted lantern]

like on paper the stat increases are huge, but in practice you don't really do much that you can't do with other builds

[spice veldt]

yeah it's very eh

[untold fiber]

yeah i hear mention of a balance patch

[spice veldt]

and is an ult that comes with a straight up detriment

[olive ember]

just double the fucking damage of the surge staff and tada it will be good

[spice veldt]

and you can't exit Scrier's Gaze except by going to 100% peril

[olive ember]

idk why i'm jumping through hoops just to reach a singular breakpoint

[dusty meadow]

it's their attempt at making a psyker gun build

[muted lantern]

i think it builds up peril too quickly and doesn't last long enough

[dusty meadow]

but psykers are just better when using staves

[muted lantern]

ironically i found myself using my sword when i activated it more

[olive ember]

eh vraks 3 scriers build is decent

[untold fiber]

i reached a singular breakpoint on ur mum lol

[fierce crest]

its awkward and not quite strong enough to justify yet

[untold fiber]

god im sorry

[ornate hamlet]

They really should have more staff options.

[muted lantern]

because the best way to get heads for the +1 is to chop down a horde rather than trying to click on heads

[olive ember]

don't worry I've dealt with 14 yr olds before I'm used to your mom jokes

but yeah scriers is like

super niche imo

[untold fiber]

it feels good to let the tie loose a tiny bit

[olive ember]

for specific builds otherwise just run not that

[ornate hamlet]

The ability I normally come to is just the dome shield

[muted lantern]

if there was a way to keep it going like the way the vet ability works, i feel it would be a lot more justified

[untold fiber]

gonna try out my staff. will let yall know

[ornate hamlet]

Which version are you trying

They'll be a very different experience depending on what it is

[fierce crest]

eyyyyyy

[muted lantern]

i love dome shield, but i love wall shield even more just faceplanting charging mutants and dogs

[spice veldt]

i think being able to exit scrier's gaze at your own will will be a considerable buff

[ornate hamlet]

Flat shield does that?

[muted lantern]

with the extra talents yes

[ornate hamlet]

Just outright stops mutant charges?

[fierce crest]

they could greatly slow the peril buildup and make manual quelling end it early

[ornate hamlet]

Like 100% of the time?

[half turtle]

yep

[muted lantern]

yep

[cedar zenith]

It stuns em yeah

[fierce crest]

its 100% stun

[ornate hamlet]

That sounds nutty.

[muted lantern]

it's very funny

[half turtle]

also staggers bursters back

[spice veldt]

because scrier's gaze leads to this funny situation where you want to use it before engagements so that you buiild up stacks

[ornate hamlet]

I never try out flat shield

I've always stuck the dome

[muted lantern]

dome is a lot more useful in general i think

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe I'll try it out during my next damnation or heresy run

[muted lantern]

it's easier to drop down, and the toughness regen is just superb

[ornate hamlet]

That's what I like about dome

[half turtle]

just put down 2 flat shields, diy dome

[ornate hamlet]

But considering it's so big and so much surface area it could be worn down quickly under huge gun fight

[fierce crest]

what do i even change on this other than block

[muted lantern]

yeah that's what i've done, although i feel like allies take cover in the dome a lot more than behind the walls

[potent moss]

they want that juicy toughness

[ornate hamlet]

True. Even if the dome takes so much damage where the bullets are going through it they still have the toughness Regen

[olive ember]

Bro i can't believe it

[potent moss]

They need to fix the issue where it looks like the dome is up, and it is very much not

[half turtle]

hey remember the 5 times when i did flat shield and exploded because i forgot it wasn't vent

[olive ember]

my entire surge staff build was built around the promised land of 2 shot crusher crits

and all it's been is a giant gimmick

[potent moss]

LOL

I find it hard to believe people are running around headshotting every single crusher, but maybe I'm just trash

[fierce crest]

i wish shield was like this, very clear edges where it touches the ground, invisible where you actually need to see through it

[dawn wolf]

Dome also stops shooters inside it as well as beast of nurgle puke

[muted lantern]

yeah good point

i find myself needing to tag enemies to see where they are exactly when the shield is taking hits

[crisp yacht]

What changes could i make to this?

[fierce crest]

luckily if theyre aiming at you, you just aim the the impact spots

and you hit the thing shooting

[olive ember]

deep rock scans are the worst

how could you remind me of em

[ornate hamlet]

Man I wish you could just change the opacity of the shield to change the thickness so then you can see through it

Where you know it's still there but it doesn't impair your vision

[fierce crest]

special damage for maniac

max warp nex is noice

max warp flury is a bonus

idk if you even need to change 2 things

[crisp yacht]

the ranged specialists into maniac damage?

[fierce crest]

yeah

[crisp yacht]

ok ty

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah that seems a lot more beneficial

How to deal with mutants and such

[fierce crest]

helps with ragers mixed into hordes

[ornate hamlet]

And that

[fierce crest]

helps with muties and flamers too

[ornate hamlet]

I don't know why but I find those more harder to the killed in the armored ones

[crisp yacht]

what about suppressing barrage as a blessing on purge?

[spice veldt]

dreg ragers do have more stagger resistance than flak ragers

[fierce crest]

meh

[fierce crest]

flurry is good, flak damage is great

you could bump flak to t4

swap flurry for a t4 of your choice

including t4 flurry maybe

warp nex and flak are great

[olive ember]

Bro

the fucking purge staff unironically has similar ttk to the surge staff

why the fuck is the surge staff so bad

[crisp yacht]

mmk dont have it yet so ill just stick with it.

[light latch]

Surge aint that bad

[half turtle]

hmm how do people reliably get t4s

[ornate hamlet]

Surge got changed from the chain lightning. To basically when I thought smite would be

[olive ember]

with lots of gambling and through lots of crying

[half turtle]

i have like 300 hours and maybe 10% of them

[spice veldt]

have 20000 hours

[gaunt wagon]

surge covers more armor types

[half turtle]

fair lol

[gaunt wagon]

like carapace and bulwarks

especially with nexus and flurry

[ornate hamlet]

Surge can go through bulwark shields

Even though I personally prefer void strike

[fierce crest]

so summary
keep warp nexus for sure
t3 flak is great
t3 flurry is good
t3 special damage is meh

swap t3 special for t4 maniac
swap t3 flak for t4 flak OR t3 flurry for t4 flurry/terrify

[gaunt wagon]

the best surge i think is dump stat crit, carapace, flak, flurry, nexus

the difference between 60 crit and 80 crit is around 50 damage

[olive ember]

eh quell speed imo

since its literally one second of quelling to get back below 97%

and flurry keeps its stacks through quelling now

[ornate hamlet]

Constantly dancing between high peril so then keep the perk up and being able to keep consistent damage output

[gaunt wagon]

getting the 50 extra damage from critting with 80 crit damage doesnt give you any breakpoints i think

[olive ember]

look when I'm trying to chase that mythical crusher 2 shot

any crit damage is welcome

[fierce crest]

are there any uncommons you are close to 1shotting?

[gaunt wagon]

uncommons?

[fierce crest]

non commons

[gaunt wagon]

like elites and specials?

[fierce crest]

elites/specials

faster to type uncommon

[gaunt wagon]

i can check what gets one shot

one sec

[fierce crest]

cuz they took the l4d name but then didnt apply it to all of them

so saying specials doesnt work

[plush harness]

does brain burst on 10% chance work with smite?

[fierce crest]

only the last hit

oh wait smite

what

surge?

[light latch]

How do you get both

[plush harness]

hold on

yeah surge my bad i think

words

[fierce crest]

yeah only the last hit

the buildup is treated like a DoT i think

i tried for a while and couldnt get it to proc off that part

[plush harness]

what abt flamethrower?

[fierce crest]

purg staff does

yeah

[olive ember]

yes but it isn't that good

[fierce crest]

10% per tick of m2

[olive ember]

random BB every 15 seconds is

meh without the warp charges

[fierce crest]

yeah

[olive ember]

and meh is being generous

[fierce crest]

it was awesome where killing commons with it gave you a charge

[light latch]

The old talent that gave CDR and 2 warp charges was good with it

[fierce crest]

all your horde clear would just guarantee you kept charges up

and then you would nuke big boys sometimes

now its just the nuke

which is fine

its worth the talent point

but its no where near as good

that might be funny

oh wait

nvm nvm nvm

redact

[crisp yacht]

Got it. Thank ya for the advice

[crude cape]

does wildfire still suck, or worth taking if you have other soulblaze talents and venting shriek

[plucky badger]

Hello fellow psykers

[ornate hamlet]

Hello sibling

[unique barn]

wow zealot chat is pretty fucked up hahah

[ornate hamlet]

What's wrong with it?

[fierce crest]

its good now, doesnt distribute the stacks, it copies them

[crude cape]

oh nice

[unique barn]

just asked how to build a knife zealot (psyker main since beta) and got shot down hard lol

[fierce crest]

so something with 4 stacks puts max stacks on eveything

instead of 4 stacks spread

[old flame]

I desperately want to make Disruptived destiny work

[ornate hamlet]

That sounds super rude.

[unique barn]

I'll live

[ornate hamlet]

Because I know knife is fun

Especially lacerate

Knife bleeds on non-criticals/weakspots

You'll tearing anything apart with enough stabs

[unique barn]

i mean my main angle was how do i get flesh tearer (have lacerate)

but apparently i should go diaf for using a knife haha

[fierce crest]

close

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah.

[unique barn]

got a bit bored of assail, broken smite atm

[fierce crest]

axe time

[unique barn]

hey i used duelling sword

[fierce crest]

op

axe time

[ornate hamlet]

chain-axe

[unique barn]

well, want to just, zealot!

[fierce crest]

no

psyk axe

[ornate hamlet]

It's a psychic axe?

I haven't heard about this new weapon

||I'm joking btw||

[fierce crest]

chop chop blam blam

[unique barn]

grey knights, new class?

[ornate hamlet]

God I wish

[unique barn]

lol

[ornate hamlet]

Brutal momentum is a must-have on that one

[unique barn]

might be slightly op

[fierce crest]

indeed

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly I hope down the line they do introduce new classes

[old flame]

I’m still trying to figure out the best blessings for the revolver

[fierce crest]

hand cannon

[old flame]

I have that yeah

I forgot the other one I have

[fierce crest]

surgical good too but i usually quick swap so i prefer speedload

[spice veldt]

speedload stacking 5 times 😎

[fierce crest]

speedload should be a t4 only blessing and then give you an actual speedloader

[ornate hamlet]

Speedloader is amazing

Such fast loading the shells into the revolver to go bang bang bang again

[fierce crest]

also sustained fire affects shots 2, 3, and 4

so thats not bad either

helps with things that dont die in 1

like muties

and orgyn

[old flame]

I have surgical and hand cannon

I feel like it can do better though

[fierce crest]

#psyker-class message

actually not bad for a 5 shot weapon

[untold fiber]

so the staff.

[spice veldt]

what's a staff

[untold fiber]

underwhelming. compared to palpatine hands and my tac axe

my crutch lul

[fierce crest]

thats funny cuz i feel like the general opinion of all the staves is better than tac axes

[untold fiber]

honestly i fell into lightning and axe tbh. mabye just the way i play. sorta red mage things

might do hand cannon... ill see yall tomorrow

[fierce crest]

chop chop blam blam

[olive ember]

alright purge staff dueling sword fucks

purge melts everything that isn't a mutant or ogryn

duelling sword takes care of that

[fierce crest]

yep

[olive ember]

compliment with BB for some range

[fierce crest]

yep

[olive ember]

tho probably could run assail

[fierce crest]

axe

i mean

yeah

[spice veldt]

a most unrefined weapon

[fierce crest]

1 shot

1 kill

[spice veldt]

not for elegant gentlemen such as we

[unique barn]

like the only question atm is what melee, staff to build/max out, because assail and smite will get nerf hammered soon.

[unreal tapir]

ive wrapped back around to not even using assail because i got bored of it and just carrying auric pubs with a void staff. guess ill just put on keystone brainburst so i have a blitz to occasionally use

[unique barn]

^

[olive ember]

if you are playing around expected nerfs I'd say probably a purge or a trauma staff

some people love surge but ngl

[unique barn]

I mean I've been surge since beta

[olive ember]

no matter how the fuck I build it it feels weak as shit

[stiff tide]

what are good staff choices besides voidstrike

[unique barn]

and will do so until they fuck me

[olive ember]

a good purge staff will kill a mauler with one full charge

[spice veldt]

trauma/purg

[olive ember]

except a purge staff has infinite cleave

[unreal tapir]

surely they dont nerf staves, nerf braindead assail and smite all you want but leave our staves alone, its the only reason to play psyker

[olive ember]

so when the game spams 10 maulers at you the purge suddenly can melt all of em faster than a surge can

[fierce crest]

no

nerf void staff

it needs it

buff surge

[spice veldt]

steal candy from the vstrike

[olive ember]

voidstrike and assail are the most overtuned things rn, smite is "op" only because it has a bug that lets you infinitely cast

[stiff tide]

this one?

[olive ember]

without the bug smite is probably the weakest of the bunch

[unique barn]

agreed

[olive ember]

I'd show you a clip of purge staff damage if I had recording software

[unreal tapir]

soulblaze voidstrike build time

[olive ember]

but purge will melt anything short of an ogryn which is where the melee option comes in

[stiff tide]

voidstrike is op? I just like firing balls of energy at stuff

[olive ember]

a well built voidstrike can one shot crushers

[stiff tide]

the fireball staff in v2 was the best too

[olive ember]

while also providing hordeclear

so its considered broke rn

basically voidstrike used to be the weakest

[kind jay]

psyker tree is honestly kinda mid. we're carried by overtuned weapons and bugs lol

[olive ember]

6 cleave, mid damage, etc etc.

so they like buffed its cleave, they buffed its damage, they buffed its damage modifiers against armor as well iirc

so now it just

deletes

that includes one shotting crushers with a surge blessing voidstrike build

[stiff tide]

I just like smiting stuff and throwing magic orbs

[olive ember]

yes but all teh redditors and new psykers are crying about how broken everything is

so psyker will inevitably get nerfed into the ground

[rotund dagger]

Infinite Smite go brrrrr

[olive ember]

Arcotash will rejoice tho

[spice veldt]

hell yeah brother

[olive ember]

kekw

[rotund dagger]

Buff Smite

[olive ember]

hence why I say that psykers only want two things

[rotund dagger]

I demand more damage

[olive ember]

nerfs and buffs

[unique barn]

I mean it is legit all things atm

[spice veldt]

the thing is that we have some +warp damage buffs

[olive ember]

when they are strong everyone cries holy shit psyker just op and braindead and kills everything and unfun and nerf when, and the when they get nerfed, everyone cries that psyker is weak as shit and unfun to play and buff when

its a never ending cycle

truly

[spice veldt]

but the only warp weapons that would take proper advantage of them are our staffs (all of which are mechanically dogshit to use), blitz (mechanically dogshit), and the illisi

[unique barn]

this is gaming

[spice veldt]

gib psyker more warp weapons

[unreal tapir]

every class has broken stuff right now. the only difference is the psyker chat is the only chat begging for their class to be nerfed xd

[olive ember]

pretty much

[unique barn]

haha i'm not, i just know it'll happen 😮

[olive ember]

i mean not really

like zealot chat has peopel going "holy shit this is broken"

but its only like a few people

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xOYKDquEWiQ91/d1337QT4vA7M?invite=cr-MSxlTzMsMTU3ODYzOTYwLA

[spice veldt]

i assume that ogryn chat has some people remarking on gunlugger being borked

haven't checked there though

[unique barn]

like it's really easy to max dmg a scoreboard on assail psyker in auric

[unreal tapir]

watching a stacled zealot deal enough damage to instantly kill monstrosity on spawn before anyone else hit it. no way thats intended

[unique barn]

zealots are boss killers tho

[unreal tapir]

but who cares, thank god they sucked before.

psyker was a pain to play before the overhaul and felt like a chore, im glad its accessible to most of the community now. psykers were borderline masochists on release

[olive ember]

either way I'm just gonna chill with random builds until the nerfs

[unique barn]

nod

[olive ember]

I have multiple builds and at this point my psyker is just

strapped with weapons

[spice veldt]

i think the other thing that contributes to people remarking on psyker is that you get access to one of the borked stuff (Assail) at only level 4

[olive ember]

so unless they nerf like every thing into the ground

I'll be fine

[spice veldt]

and if Assail is this borked on damnation, imagine what it's like on lower difficulties lamayo

[unique barn]

psyker should be more gear dependent, atm

[olive ember]

I even have autopistol actually so even if gun psyker is the only thing viable I'll still be fine kekw

[unique barn]

gear doesnt matter atm really

[spice veldt]

yeah, our gear is one of the sore points because of just how little variety there is

mmmm i'd say it matters

[olive ember]

eh tell that to ogryns kekw

[harsh urchin]

well that's a design flaw right?

because the psyker blitz skill

has to be competitive with weapons with 2 perks 2 blessings properly rolled

[spice veldt]

somewhat since it's a non-scaling weapon

[harsh urchin]

same reason why brain burst was so busted in lower difficulty last year when the game came out

[olive ember]

I mean its because at lower difficulties assail just shreds cuz the hp values are non existant

[spice veldt]

i dont know how they would fix that so I'd just leave it how it is

[unique barn]

psyker WAS gear dependent, before patch 13

[olive ember]

how much hp does a mauler have on malice

[unique barn]

now just default shit, ruin

[spice veldt]

prolly like 1.2k

[harsh urchin]

cuz BB literally had to do what it did

otherwise it's just be unuseable in 5s

[olive ember]

actually

now that I think about it

they nerfed the shit out of BB back in the CBT

because a bunch of malice players complained that BB was too strong

in teh CBT

[harsh urchin]

they just need to further dumpster the damage against armor lol

cuz right now it does kill flak

[spice veldt]

i'm fine with it having damage

[olive ember]

truly is the never ending cycle of "omg pls nerf" and "omg pls buff" lol

[unreal tapir]

xd

[spice veldt]

just nerf the ammo and set its target limit down by 1

[harsh urchin]

they need to reduce the ammo and make it weaker against flak/carapace

[olive ember]

eh target limit down?

[spice veldt]

since the target limit is part of why assail is strong

[harsh urchin]

like it says on the skill

[olive ember]

if you nerf target limit down its just worse BB tho

well you can spam it but

[spice veldt]

iirc it does a little less against flak compared to the others

[olive ember]

then it only hits one target

2 with the upgrade but

idk i feel like it wouldn't be that different from BB, the whole point of assail is to hit multiple elite targets/horde mobs is it not

well actually

get rid of the jank 6 target thing with crit or wte

just make it 3 targets max

[harsh urchin]

not nearly enough lol

it takes 4 hits to kill something flak

instead of 3

whoop

[olive ember]

make knives 3 targets max, nerf the capacity (5 or 7?), nerf recharge rate and I think thats fine

[ashen schooner]

hm do you want high blast radius on a voidstrike?

[olive ember]

I think the damage itself and the targets hit is actually pretty fair its just the fact you can spam 10 of them (30+ targets) and then wait like 5 seconds and get all 10 knives back

[spice veldt]

yeah, though we could also nerf that by limiting its ammo count

since on lower difficulties, it's going to overkill enemies anyways

[olive ember]

not rly sure, it used to be a throwaway stat but

nowadays idk

[spice veldt]

and i'd rather not have it be total doodoo against flak

I'd be fine with 50% dmg to flak

[unreal tapir]

this is pain, i really like 30% increased quell speed node but i cant reach it on a crit bb build

[obtuse moth]

@unreal tapir no blast radius is a dump stat. its very very minor damage and the major balance also reduced the radius by 40% from .5 to .3 iirc unsure

[olive ember]

@spice veldt thoughts on my purge + dueling sword build?

[harsh urchin]

the thing is that 50% dmg to flak would really just nerf it against things that it shouldn't be killing anyways

[potent echo]

Didn't they buff the explosion damage though?

[harsh urchin]

since i'm pretty sure bombers aren't flak on their head

[obtuse moth]

oh did they? idk someone talked about voidstrike being a dump stat a day or two ago

[spice veldt]

i don't see any glaring issues on my part

besides that +50% tough to allies in coherency when going down

[potent echo]

I would take crit on the top right side

Toughness on crit and warppower on crit

[harsh urchin]

i also thought they buffed the target count from 6 to 11 on VS

[olive ember]

i don't have that

[spice veldt]

oops

i misread wildfire

[olive ember]

XD honestly I still can't tell if wildfire is doing anything

[harsh urchin]

it's useless

[olive ember]

but if I'm going for funny flame build might as well

[harsh urchin]

lmao

[potent echo]

I like wildfire, it preroasts the horde

It's not useless

[olive ember]

if I had two extra points I'd put it into mettle + perfect timing to buff warp damage

but alas I don't

[potent echo]

Having alr 4 stacks on something makes them die so much faster once you focus on them

[harsh urchin]

have you tried it in the psyka? it's absolutely fucking useless

if you have 4 stacks on something

and it spreads

it doesn't multiply the stacks

[potent echo]

Bro I literally main purge on psyker

[harsh urchin]

the 4 stacks each move separately

[potent echo]

What do you mean move seperately

[olive ember]

its not 4 stacks per enemy nearby its 4 stacks split

and it can't apply to any enemy with 4 stacks or more

if the enemy who died only has 1 stack it also won't spread

[harsh urchin]

idk man just try it out in psyka and you'll see what I mean

[olive ember]

assuming wildfire is still the super buggy mess it was pre patch 13

[harsh urchin]

W&R is very good now

but wildfire is still the same dogshit it was

[obtuse moth]

zero numbers on it in the patch notes

Increased explosion attack and impact.
:<

[potent echo]

WR doesn't proc on soulblaze kills btw

[olive ember]

man full charge of purge does some wild damage against maulers

the burn stacked on it literally kills it in the next tick

[potent echo]

So taking it on purge is not very good

[harsh urchin]

yeah but WR applies 4 stacks to everything

just use a different weapon lol

[potent echo]

But it doesn't work on soulblaze kills wdym

[harsh urchin]

then take it off lol

[potent echo]

But we talking purg here hello

[harsh urchin]

no we're not

we're talking about wildfire

and w&r

[potent echo]

[olive ember]

idk what I'd replace wildfir with tbh

[potent echo]

Ok

[olive ember]

wrack and ruin is apparently rly good now

will its called perilous combustion

but its 4 stacks whenever you kill a elite, doesn't need to be BB now

[unique barn]

lol assail using ammo would be a hilarious shitstorm

[harsh urchin]

but anyways wildfire is just absolutely garbage

[potent echo]

Yes sure

[obtuse moth]

4 stacks even with 100% Warp Rider, 100% Unstable Power, Perfect Timing, 6 Stacks of Warp Charges, 5 stacks of Slaughterer isnt as great as I'd hoped

[formal ridge]

anyone for some auric

[obtuse moth]

Things die so quickly in the new meta its hard to see it making much of an impact, and thats with a non purge staff build where wildfire becomes much more useful

[potent echo]

If wildfire had a use it would be with purg staff

Also synergizes with warpcharge on soulblaze kill, because it doesn't matter how they die as long as they are burning while dying

[obtuse moth]

if you have infinite sources of fire wildfire becomes less useful than limited sources :3

it was much more useful for AB builds without purge than AB builds with purge

[potent echo]

Best part about wildfire is that it prebakes the horde/heretics so they will reach max stacks alot faster

[harsh urchin]

idk man i think you should just literally go into the meat grinder

and test out wildfire

and then come back and tell us it's good

with a straight face

lol

that's all you need to do

[potent echo]

It is good, idk if you did any testing yourself or played an actual game with it

[obtuse moth]

Theyd prolly need creature spawner to test it properly tbf

[potent echo]

You burn one side of the horde, they die, great, you turn around, oh they are already prebaked

[harsh urchin]

i've done a bunch of testing both within the meat grinder and in 5s; but this was done prepatch. Unless they changed it in the last patch my conclusion is the same lol

[potent echo]

Pre-patch

Pre-patch it was dogshit because it was competing with other top tier talents

[harsh urchin]

hey man, if they changed wildfire i'll admit i was wrong

[plucky badger]

I only use shards when I'm lazy

[harsh urchin]

i doubt it has changed mechanically though.

[potent echo]

Now it's sort of free

[harsh urchin]

free trash is still trash mate

[olive ember]

I still wouldn't say its good but its not bad now since its no longer competing

for one point I'd say its worth

[potent echo]

Ok I mean there is no changing either of our minds so it's pointless to continue

[olive ember]

like for my build if I don't take wildfire I'm just gonna be taking battle meditation or a toughness perk

so I'd say wildfire is actually decent if its on the way

[potent echo]

It's preference, not required at all

[olive ember]

I do really hate how shit is locked behind what blitz you choose tho

like if I pick assail both wildfire and psykinetics aura are un chooseable

Same thing with teh after aura shit

[potent echo]

Yea, gives people a reason to pick BR I suppose

[olive ember]

like if you take the 10% elite damage the only thing you can take is kinetic shield

which is nice ofc but

[harsh urchin]

well that's kinda the point lol

[unique mist]

and shriek

[harsh urchin]

you're forced to pick 2 paths if you pick left or right

and you can only pick 3 paths if you go middle

[celest hedge]

how should I be using smite? is it that left click is for single target and right click is for groups and that's it? I'm not feeling the high damage part of it all

[obtuse moth]

just tested. spreads to a very small number of enemies in the meatgrinder, and maybe kills those or just fizzles out.

[obtuse moth]

its not damage at all, right click if you can since it hits more enemies more quickly

if you want damage use surge staff

[olive ember]

so left click is supposed to do damage to one target, right click is supposed to be AOE stun but yeah neither do damage

[celest hedge]

it says charge to deal high damage and impact on release, or channel for low damage but high impact over time?

[olive ember]

so if you wanna aoe stun just right click

[obtuse moth]

it also takes a bit to take effect, like mutants can almost touch your nose

[olive ember]

left click is just

i guess if you need to CC a guy immediately without the charge but since the charge is like 2 seconds idk

[obtuse moth]

tooltip isn't really accurate

[celest hedge]

is surge good for damage? I always viewed it as only CC

[unique mist]

any reason to run devil's claw over a force sword?

[olive ember]

surge staff? its kinda not good for eitehr

they changed it from a CC staff to a damage staff

so if you want CC just run a trauma or a voidstrike

Surge staff hits 2 targets, and only one of em takes good damage

[celest hedge]

the more I use the void strike the more I don't like it

[olive ember]

surge staff is supposed to do good damage.... I'd say it would be good damage if they doubled it

[obtuse moth]

surge is good for single target damage now, its very good at taking out specials quickly. its outclassed by voidstrike

[olive ember]

if 3 charges to kill a single mauler is good then yes

its damage is honestly a bit middling

2 charges*

you can kill a mauler in 2 charges if it crits

crushers are like 3, mutants 3 or 4

[potent echo]

You get instant hitscan value and ignore cover, mainly it can kill gunners behind cover easier than the void can

[obtuse moth]

its very quick packets of damage that are hitscan. i find it totally fine for what it is

[potent echo]

But other than that voidstrike is better

[olive ember]

if its only killing one target at a time

I expect it to be amazing damage

like 2 shot crusher no crits levels of good

especially with its peril gen

the fact that I have to jump through 5 hoops to get it to two shot maulers is ridiculous

[potent echo]

But you can fire 2 surge in the time you charge 1 void so technically two

I'm not saying it's better

[fierce crest]

id rather it do similar damage to the 2nd target

[obtuse moth]

Tranquility and Battery make surge staff useable, i probably wouldnt use it without tranquility at a minimum

[olive ember]

6 warp charges + perfect timing + 10% elite aura + warp rider + max peril

[fierce crest]

assuming VS gets an appropriate nerf

it would compete nicely

[olive ember]

like how many hoops do I need to jump through to achieve a crusher 2 shot

a SINGLE crusher btw

so yeah imho surge is mid. Except for crushers and bulwarks you'd be better off running purge staff if you want to kill something

[obtuse moth]

its also cc, its not going to be pure damage

[olive ember]

I mean "CC" as in it can stun 2 targets a time. I don't particularly think thats useful when theres horde + 8 maulers

hell it can't even stun a mutant reliably anymore like what

[potent echo]

Yea it's really weird

[olive ember]

that was literally surge's strong suit

[untold veldt]

They should have kept surge the same and made smite do damage lmao

[potent echo]

If you want mutant cc you just bring the wall

[obtuse moth]

havent found wall amazing in the maelstrom mutant modifiers tbh

rather still just take bubble

[potent echo]

Mutant trains destroy the wall too quickly

Also sometimes the mutants get stuck inside the wall and take all it durability too

It's a little scuffed, but I like throwing a wall behind the team so no sneaky specials can get through

[silent coral]

surge on the voidstrik is pretty nutty now

[untold veldt]

Are any of the force swords worth using currently?

[silent coral]

unlimited doges still make illisi and demios pretty good

[fierce crest]

illisi and deimos still good

kinda weirdly, deimos is better than illisi but DS are kinda just upgraded deimos

but illisis is still the king of cleave

so illisi has a better niche

[potent echo]

Illisi has the ability to permalock a stack of ragers so that's always nice

[clear heath]

Illisi still nice for toughness on warp kill

[fierce crest]

and toughness on warp kill is just great overall

so synergy on top of synergy

[spice veldt]

and being able to take advantage of the +warp damage talents

(and Bloodthirsty for dem consistent crits)

[olive ember]

When did deimos become better than illisi

wat

did I miss the monthly convening to discuss force sword rankings?

(obscures is top btw)

[spice veldt]

yes

[unborn lark]

Not sure which is better and why? Deimos or Illisi?

[spice veldt]

they fit different roles so I wouldn't compare them

but since we are in the era of psyker having a bunch of CC tools in their ranged/blitz slot, a single-target melee makes sense for most people

so in terms of build variety, deimos edges out

[unborn lark]

I always thought illisi faster with more damage. I’m probably wrong though

[spice veldt]

deimos has some stabs that deal notably more damage

l1 deals 2.5x damage and h2 deals 2x damage

at the cost of less cleave, but cleave is whatevs if you're doing that much more single-target damage

[languid tusk]

light heavy, block, light heavy is highest combo

it has higher dps on crushers than power up attack

[spice veldt]

i like my illisi for melee-focused playstyles

[olive ember]

look at this old man

still stuck in the past

MELEE psyker

pah

what is this

pre-patch 13?!?!

[languid tusk]

illisi has great sinergy with assail psyker. you have 1 guaranteed crit every 5 headshots, crits give you extra assail damage, and illisi heavy attack is a wide swipe that lands a bunch of headshots

[unborn lark]

Sibling!

[unborn lark]

Ayy I’m trying assails and love it. That just decided it for me then. I’ll start using the illisi then

[small spindle]

what lasgun trait do I want? Or should I just go voidtrike for assail?

[steep obsidian]

Does the lighting cause you to crash?

Like if it goes more than 30 seconds, I run the risk of crashing

[celest hedge]

i'm liking the new surge staff alot, it feels like i'm doing the damage of multiple brain bursts really quick in melee range

[unborn lark]

Now which staff do you recommend

[chrome patrol]

for me illisi sword surge staff and assail works really well

[potent echo]

Assail and surge staff synergies well

[chrome patrol]

illisi is just my personal pref but deimos would work well too i guess

[potent echo]

Illisi has an amazing horde clear moveset

[tall mango]

I owe brain burst an apology

it’s not that bad

[potent echo]

But I'm preferring Dclaw4 now because it's strikedown heavy1 can 1 shot flamers and trappers

[tall mango]

when you get a good build for it, it’s super fun

[clear heath]

waiting for voidstrike to get nerfed so i can go back to using surge staff