psyker-class

[austere burrow]

slow but safe

[glad meadow]

like my hand is a hedgehog

[blazing vale]

which is dueling sword is the one that got funny with the patch?

[spice veldt]

for reference, pre-patch illisi kills 40 poxwalkers in 7 seconds

[astral oracle]

this is why i am asking modding discord for a RGB crystal mod

[spice veldt]

same goes for the pre-patch BB3/Hsword/psword

[north cradle]

I miss pre-patch Illisi

[astral oracle]

I need my gamer lights on my crystals

[north cradle]

I guess I'll go back to using the Deimos. It's better for killing Mutants and Crushers more quickly anyway

[glad meadow]

so again what model of dueling sword is good for what purpose?

[spice veldt]

the mk4 got buffed

[glad meadow]

if they are all like single target ish things, how different can they be?

[blazing vale]

ty

[spice veldt]

the mk2 seems strictly worse compared to the other two as far as I can tell for this current patch

[fossil snow]

which one has the sexy sexy strikedown?

[north cradle]

Mk IV is the stabby one, right?

[spice veldt]

here's a comparison between the duelling sword heavies #psyker-class message

as you can see, the mk4 heavies deal markedly better damage

the mk5 has the niche of having better dodges and a block cost, but you probably don't need that

[blazing island]

whats the best setup on a purgatus staff?

[silent chasm]

Tryna finish the Power Up penance, the one that's "on malice brain burst 100 fucks with max warp charges." Can I just Not Take Warp Battery so I only need to get 4 at a time to get progress there?

[north cradle]

If I'm not mistaken, you only actually need four, not maximum

[blazing vale]

not a lot of options but warp flurry is probably the only necessary thing

[silent chasm]

oh nice. it says max but I hope you're correct

[north cradle]

If you want to play it safe tho, don't have that one

[austere burrow]

as a former mkv enjoyer, the mk4 is much better than it now

[silent chasm]

(also does the flamethrower apply "soulblaze" too?)

[blazing vale]

yes

[silent chasm]

noic

[blazing island]

and then how about traits? like unyielding and infested or somethin?

[blazing vale]

flamethrower staff

[north cradle]

And eh I guess don't use your ult

[silent chasm]

Ult is for "oh crap BB gon' kill me" bursts

the 3rd class Sienna thing.

[blazing vale]

prefrence based since its a DOT weapon anyways

[north cradle]

Ya that's fair

[blazing vale]

breakpoints are bit less important on purgatus

[silent chasm]

like don't get me wrong I'm a dome-assail main this is just to earn the Psi-veil rn

[north cradle]

Ya that's fine

I do find it kind of funny that these Penances require you to work down the talent tree now, where before, they were just encouraging you to learn your class features

[silent chasm]

Yeah it kinda Fuckin' Blows because ngl I really dislike BB and Shriek.

but, they're the only way to get the Psi-veil so on I trot I guess.

[north cradle]

I used to be a complete beast with Brain Burst, and now it just sucks lol

You can't even kill a Gunner from zero

[blazing vale]

one small grace is being able to oneshot damnation flamers now

[left patio]

I got the mk7 and it shreds through specialists

It doesnt seem it either but its got really nice hipfire for what it is too

[silent chasm]

ah, does it do more damage on higher Peril or sumn?

also yeah it feels jank and unfun. much much prefer the bic pens or lightning

[cobalt mauve]

what perks do u want on a voidstrike?

[snow dust]

The..Psi-veil?

[silent chasm]

metal blindfold cosmetic

looks really nice.

bottom 2 penances under psyker

[snow dust]

ah

[north cradle]

It does with a talent point

But I don't even think you can kill a Dreg Gunner on Damnation with it without Empowered Psionics. I'm just pulling feelings out of my arse right now; needs testing

[glad meadow]

thoughts on the blessing?

what is a successful dodge actually

is that easy to pull off?

[spice veldt]

dodging an attack, essentially

[glad meadow]

is it easy?

[spice veldt]

ye

[glad meadow]

like can i just bait a bunch of npc to hitting me

[spice veldt]

assuming that it's not an undodgeable one

yeah you can do that

[glad meadow]

like how lenient is it?

i dodge all the time to reposition

[spice veldt]

the window is large for quite a lot of enemies

[glad meadow]

but if it like, 0.2s before you get hit or something

[spice veldt]

it might not work if you dodge out of their range though

[torpid herald]

what talents do u guys run with void strike?

[potent moss]

you're going to need to know what kind of build you want to run

this varies wildly

[north cradle]

If you hear the "shwoop" and then dodge, you dodged an attack behind you. Successful dodge.

[spice veldt]

e.g., dodging a crusher's overhead during the windup should count

[north cradle]

For some reason, Fartshack made it harder to dodge with ranged weapons compared to Vermintide 2, but at least it's easier to block everyone's attacks since they're slower, so I'll take it

[spice veldt]

they reverted that change around launch didn't they, unless you're referring to ranged weapons having generally worse dodge attributes

[rigid blade]

Smite with Empowered Psyonics may be a bit OP

[north cradle]

It's bugged

[rigid blade]

How so?

[untold vault]

nowhere does it say it makes ur peril not go up

it does for bb and assail

[rigid blade]

Ah

[untold vault]

-100% peril cost

[rigid blade]

Shame, so much for long term support build

[atomic zephyr]

glitched, its way too op, unlimited stagger with just 1 stack

[snow dust]

Definitely going to get patched. No weapon is suppose to be spammed 100% of the time and be 100% effective

[rigid blade]

Always the good stuff…

[north cradle]

It certainly doesn't feel like they were reverted. I still see the enemies track me if I dodge to the side rather than backwards

[untold vault]

It lags pcs, worst thing to play with if you have a smite psyker in ur team

frames drop to 0 if the smite pskyer smites the pox horde you were hitting in melee range

[rigid blade]

Damn shame, hope they do keep some sort of Peril reduction cost though.

[untold vault]

it should be usable but not infinite and free

base without the exploit it generates way too much peril

I would rate it worse than old surge

[rigid blade]

What a weird situation it’s in when it’s impractical without a glitch that makes it busted

[north cradle]

Needs a damage buff I think

Just a small one

[hollow creek]

everyone always looks like an actual 40K character
then there's me, the dementia-ridden schizo

[rigid blade]

Honestly I just hope they keep some of the peril reduction for empower

[north cradle]

Same

[manic halo]

Honestly an insane psyker who calls them self grandpa still be lore accurate

[maiden hornet]

they can make it so that smite builds up a final damage depending on how long you channel it

or maybe make enfeeble baseline and replace that talent with something else. Just anything to make it competitive as a blitz compare to the other two

[astral oracle]

27 minute heresy maelstrom 249k damage with smite

[light belfry]

11 blue voidstrikes 0 surge blessings

1 blue trauma on a whim 1 surge blessing

[astral oracle]

pog
time to sacrifice it to hadron

[potent echo]

It doesn't share with void though

[light belfry]

thats why im complaining

[proven stirrup]

Pretty sure they were talking to Akari

This system has been out too long for y'all to still be confusing this lol

[valid marsh]

What should I do with this

I'm thinking of swapping the perks for something better but unsure what

[atomic zephyr]

probably stam to flak

but id swap precog to uncanny

[fluid terrace]

god i've been playing alot of zealot, came back to psyker and it' so fucking easy

[sick mulch]

shred to riposte

sounds like itd flow better than shred

[unique mist]

just made an assail/crit chance/scriers gaze/disrupt destiny build and had so much fun

assail doesn't really synergize with scriers

but i don't like the other 2 blitzes

it was just an experimental build but it really was fun, i ran it with voidstrike and illis sword w/unstable power, pairing that with warp nexus and scriers gaze means you deal a massive amount of damage while in scriers that only increases

and the 10s lingering effect when scriers ends is really nice

basically means its only got a 20s cooldown

[atomic zephyr]

would you recommend a exorcist blessing on the illiss

[unique mist]

it depends on the other blessing

with unstable power? no

and depends on when you're gonna be using it

e.g. if you're only using it when smite or assail is on cooldown, go for it, but keep in mind it's taking up a blessings slot just so you can go back to your blitz a little bit faster

[misty plaza]

does the purgatus staff damage count as soulblaze?

[upper galleon]

yes

[misty plaza]

thank you :D

[upper galleon]

I like venting shriek with assail, helps me drain my ammo without exploding

and the burn stacks are really nice free dps

[frigid sparrow]

I think the unlimited smite is a bit over-rated

I like charges better

[red dew]

Anyone have tips on using brainburst? Assail feels boring and lightning is just CC. I don't need BB to one hit but it feels super slow to cast and usually by the time I'm finished charging someone else has already rekt the target I had. And for clarities sake when I say target I do mean elites and specialists. Stuff I need to prioritize. I kinda just feel useless when I run this ability. Or unneeded is probably the better word for it.

[fierce crest]

at low levels people dont know what the bloue glow means

[robust elbow]

was just tryin to do another burst build where i tried to jsut stack cd reduction and go for the pushback ability. then on burst go for the 75% cast reduction when you use your ability... but failed another tier 3 so couldn't really test it that well... think i'm going to just stick mainly in T2 to ppl get the overall hang of the game.. i.e a few weeks from now... lol

[fierce crest]

you dotn have to stay in view of the target after locking on

[robust elbow]

^ that too

[red dew]

Yeah I know it's a really handy feature of the ability

[fierce crest]

my bb build

[red dew]

Just feels like I'll pick a target and start charging only for someone to doink the enemy before I unleash it

[fierce crest]

m1 charges faster than m2

[winter magnet]

so if ive got 3x 30% toughness regen speed what am I actually getting?

[fierce crest]

m2 can be charged without a target

m2 gains 9% peril per second when holding a charge

[red dew]

Yeah I've figured that out and I usually use M1 since it's easier to just back up and hide

[fierce crest]

m2 is more for hounds or muties you hear coming but cant see yet

[near wyvern]

Kinetic Resonance and Empower both decrease your cast time AND after cast animation. Not by the amount they list but still they do stack to a total of 50% reduction. You can check Atheneum for the new values, it's not finished yet but the info for that is there already.

[fierce crest]

most uncommons are taller than commons so if you aimm a bit high and sweep down while holding m1 you lock onto them more consistently

[red dew]

That's a good trick actually that was one of the problems I was having is just fishing my targets out of a sea of moving targets

[near wyvern]

@red dew and if you RMB make sure you press LMB later than sooner, something changed and now if you LMB before you are fully cooked it will cancel the RMB and start charging LMB from the beginning.

[fierce crest]

i think if you m1 before full charge and the target dies it resets the charge

even tho its an m2

[near wyvern]

It resets it if the M2 is not fully charged regardless if your target is dead or not

[fierce crest]

neat

[near wyvern]

It did not do that before

[fierce crest]

yeah

[atomic zephyr]

this update has ruined FSwords for me, the Dswords are just so much better

the heavy hits just slap

[fast timber]

wish me luck bois

[near wyvern]

Try uncanny excecutor uncanny strike Deimos

Or slaughterer uncanny strike Deimos

If you plan to use it more to kill weaklings

That H2 poke

[fierce crest]

emperor gave me this a few games ago, what change

i never really used deimos cuz i like my axes for single target

[atomic zephyr]

i have one that is slaughter/uncanny, the dueling swords just feel better, even the mk2 feels good imo

the mk2 has a stab and a diagnal overhead slash heavy

[steel flame]

I WILL FIND AND PURGE WHOEVER THOUGHT IT WAS A GOOD IDEA TO CHANGE THE BIND FOR CONTINUE TO THE ENTER KEY

[fierce crest]

theres a mod

[atomic zephyr]

i tried to make a illisi with deflector and slaughter, just doesn't hit the same, probably cleave hordes like nothing, but i need somethign stronger to fight up close, the DS is just the right amount of umph

[fierce crest]

illisi not strong up close

[atomic zephyr]

pair that with a trauma staff, pretty easy to pick stuff off. With voidstrike, can get a bit messy up close

[atomic zephyr]

doesn't kill certain elites fast enough

that or im doing ti wrong

i have a solid illisi with high stats, flak/groaners, deflector/slaughter

so unless i have the wrong build

[fierce crest]

h1l2 for no peril
special light for fast damage
special heavy for big damage

[spice veldt]

not as gr8 in the era of 1 million crushers/maulers but it's otherwise good

[fierce crest]

groaners not very good

[atomic zephyr]

Wasnt much of a roll choice. Kind of got shafted on the perks and last blessing.

[unique mist]

That only benefits toughness regen from coherency, I recommend switching to +toughness or +health

I'm a new player but I personally would run 1 toughness 1 health and 1 wounds with 2x minor toughness and 2x minor health

[near wyvern]

Uncanny strike is pretty powerful now, in the worst case it's a 1.25x MULTIPLIER for your damage which stacks multiplicatively with power. In the best case you can get 3x, 5x damage multiplier if the armour modifier is low to begin with.

[unique mist]

What exactly do the melee bonuses give? What is power, what is impact, cleave, and rending?

[near wyvern]

Yeah Illisi is a bit wet noodle at the moment. If you go crit build shred + blazing spirit has some value and gives you decent horde clear.

[unique mist]

really? i had people tell me to go illisi over the other two

[near wyvern]

Deimos L1H2 combo is super deadly

[fierce crest]

impact is stagger, cleave is multi target, damage is damage

power is everything

rending/brittleness is armor pen

[unique mist]

what does like 5% cleave translate in to

[fierce crest]

could let you hit one more enemy that before

[frigid sparrow]

You'll notice that you'll swing and your sword will stop after hitting an enemy or two

[woven cedar]

whats the difference between the 2?

[fierce crest]

rending is a buff for you

[frigid sparrow]

Cleave increases how far your sword goes

You can hit the entire screen if aimed right with cleave

[fierce crest]

brittleness is a debuff for them

[woven cedar]

ah ok

[near wyvern]

Your weapon has a cleave value, let's say 10. Every enemy have hit mass depending on the enemy type. Each hit mass is reduced from your swing cleave and once you hit 0 your attack cannot hit anything anymore.

10% cleave makes that cleave value 11.

[woven cedar]

rending is a % per stack right?

[frigid sparrow]

10% isn't it?

[unique mist]

legend thanks

[fierce crest]

yeah, so that sword is 20% per stack

[spice veldt]

brittleness is 5% rending per stack

[fierce crest]

they math the same way

20% from rending or 20% from brittle is the same

[near wyvern]

Rending % depends on the blessing. Brittleness usually gives it in multiples of 5%. Rutheless backstab T4 is 50%. Uncanny strike T4 is 24% per stack.

If your attack has armour modifier 50%, the first 50% rending you get will make you deal base damage, so double what you used to do without it.

Any rending % that goes over the base damage will give you 1% damage multiplier per 4% rending, capped at 25% increased damage. Note that this stacks MULTIPLICATIVELY.

[potent echo]

so lets say
armor mod - 50%
total rending buff - 90%
total armor mod after rending buff = 110%?

[unique mist]

Earlier today I accidentally did that penance where you have to kill an elite with the exolosion that happens when you overload yourself with peril and brain burst yourself and like

I didn't even know it did damage

I killed a plague ogryn with it

i lost track of my peril in my panic because my stupid teammates decided to leave to narnia as soon as it spawned

when I realised what happened after I saw the penance pop up I started laughing so hard

Anyways now I have a really cool body cosmetic

[sick mulch]

trauma staff any good?or purg?

[keen harbor]

trauma > purg

[sick mulch]

ty. i know void is probably better than both but damn its boring

[dusty ivy]

this game so hard

[obtuse moth]

try surge

[austere burrow]

real

[dusty ivy]

cannot guarantee passing heresy level with 4 max lv players

[obtuse moth]

heresy is much much harder than damnation

and more toxic

[dusty ivy]

why

[obtuse moth]

because its where the bad players who think theyre too good for malice go

[dusty ivy]

isnt that supposed to be easier

[royal falcon]

people usually know what they’re doing in damnation
(I am not people)

[keen harbor]

Because Malice players love playing Heresy

[obtuse moth]

people on damnation know what theyre doing, understand teamwork, and that sometimes things in the game happen out of your control

its much more PMA

[keen harbor]

although, mind you, some hours of the day, damnation feels like heresy

[sick mulch]

isnt its secondary just a better damage shock

[royal falcon]

meanwhile heresy is of course where people typically transition from malice to higher difficulty content

and they are often unaware of the difficultly spike

cough gunners cough

[obtuse moth]

its a much much better damage single targetish shock

very fast and less overpowered than voidstrike

[austere burrow]

i haven't had issues winning on heresy lol

comes with experience though

once you're better at the game you'll win no matter who your allies are

[dusty ivy]

is psyker always get knocked down

[glad meadow]

how do i view all of my stats

like toughness and health?

[keen harbor]

that's the thing, you don't

[royal falcon]

no

stop exploding

[keen harbor]

game needs UI improvements

[austere burrow]

psyker has the lowest base stats iirc

like hp and toughness

[royal falcon]

isn’t psyker max toughness in double digits

[austere burrow]

that + exploding means they tend to die a lot if the player isn't experienced

[royal falcon]

mf needs to hit the gym

[silent chasm]

I don’t believe it, but I managed to make not one but TWO pretty ladies in this.

[spice veldt]

225 max (135 base with +66% from curious)

[keen harbor]

psyker can hit 100+toughness now

[royal falcon]

they look like they’re looking for people to compliment their eyes

[silent chasm]

They deserve them because their eyes is v v prett.

[royal falcon]

135 is their BASE?

[spice veldt]

nah 60 is

[royal falcon]

oh I was bouta say

how the fuck did I get negative toughness max

[spice veldt]

there are 5x +15 toughness nodes so take that up to 135

[spice veldt]

clearly this was a skill issue

[lunar hollow]

cant believe psyker got nerfed

[regal musk]

Yeh but you arent hitting every single toughness node without giving something up

[spice veldt]

yeah it would take a deranged person to go for every +toughness node

anyways, here's my build https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1158835513789272126/1160917135149781002/image.png?ex=65366755&is=6523f255&hm=1e9e791f7a04906a69ff30ea044128b12320b5960b89de2016869ea28e029507&

[royal falcon]

toughness psyker: "yeah I can tank"

[keen harbor]

get 90 toughness from skill tree, and get a further 30~32% from curios

[sick mulch]

dont need toughness if you got a bubble shield that never goes away

[subtle oxide]

what are the best perks for the flame staff?

[keen harbor]

not only that, toughness damage reduction is a thing too

for flame staff, +flak and +maniac

[regal musk]

I get by with like 110 toughness lol

[royal falcon]

walking through it:

[subtle oxide]

ok that's what i though.

[regal musk]

Gaining toughness on peril going up AND down kinda makes it meaningless to push for big toughness numbers imo

[silent forge]

vraks mk 3 or mk 7 for gunker?

[spice veldt]

mk3

[frigid sparrow]

Toughness regen any good?

[spice veldt]

more toughness = i can be more stupid around gunners

[silent forge]

thanks

[spice veldt]

me running into ranged patrols with a duelling sword hell yeah brother

[spice veldt]

at least on psyker, I'd say not particularly since our toughness regen feats are all quite

but the other curios options are also whatever

feel free to run it if you want to or whatever

[regal musk]

Regen speed was busted good a while back when they bugged it lol

[sick mulch]

so many first level perks on psyker give toughness anyways i couldnt see the point of a regen

[ornate hamlet]

can the purgatus crit?

[royal falcon]

higher toughness regen + higher toughness max = more toughness per regen

watch me be completely wrong

[royal falcon]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

also can brain burst, smite and assail crit?

[keen harbor]

purg can crit, yes. does it do much? no

[royal falcon]

yes yes yes

[ornate hamlet]

intriguing

[sick mulch]

smite crit be like 2 damage instead of 1

[ornate hamlet]

im too used to sienna

her purgatus staff can crit, but literally does nothing

its crit multiplier is 0

[silent forge]

really? i swore bb didnt crit

[keen harbor]

apparently there is a bug with the soul flame 10% skills in the left side tree

[royal falcon]

omg double damag,,,

[ornate hamlet]

well itd be 1 actually

[silent forge]

unless im trippin but i dont think ive ever crit with a bb

[spice veldt]

BB can't crit

[ornate hamlet]

yeah i figured

[sick mulch]

honestly huge L for bb

[spice veldt]

and neither can smite

[ornate hamlet]

i also figured

[spice veldt]

correspondingly, both can't consume True Aim stacks

[sick mulch]

imagine the dopamine of critting with bb

[ornate hamlet]

1 tap crushers

[keen harbor]

Skills Kinetic Flayer, and In Fire Reborn do not stack. Seems to be bugged

[ornate hamlet]

wdym they dont stack

[keen harbor]

like you will never get a warp charge from In Fire Reborn

if you hae Kinetic Flayer

[ornate hamlet]

ahhh

yeah makes sense

i used to use both for a period of time

and could never get warp charges with my soulfire build

[keen harbor]

considering the other trees are bugged, I would assume this is also a bug

[sick mulch]

is this good ish for surge?

[ornate hamlet]

psyker is just in such a bad spot rn. hes really good, but so janky

[silent forge]

i would say psyker is in a weird spot atm. everything feels so overtuned and undertuned to the point where i dont wanna get comfy with my current builds

[subtle oxide]

i'm enjoying my BB flame staff set up the auto BB tends to proc alot cause of fire.

[quartz dock]

Does anyone have advice for doing some of the Psyker penances? The one where you need to get Brain Burst kills with max Warp Charges just seems impossible unless your teammates go out of their way to leave all the elites/specialists for you

[silent forge]

a handful of things needa change with psyker and a specific staff that feels too strong rn

[gusty furnace]

Fatshark fucked up brainburst

[silent forge]

its a weird time

[gusty furnace]

I'd wait to do Warp battery until they revert the warp charges change

[raw swift]

How

[rocky osprey]

pretty much have to do that, should be relatively ez to find a premade in this disc to help you out. Took our friend two games just giving them all the special/elite kills on hi-int heresy lol

[gusty furnace]

Warp Charges are only granted on elite and special kills. Venting Shriek automatically dumps all warp charges if you grab it as a keystone.

Basically, they made Warp Battery impossible to do, outright.

[subtle oxide]

i keep my warp charges full most of the time fire staff works wonders with wildfire still

[gusty furnace]

It was already an incredibly tedious penance to do when BB granted Warp Charges on all enemies.

But it being shunted to elites only, though granted any attack leading to the kill grants the warp charge, is like what P47 said, basically impossible if your team isn't being extremely concious of their psyker.

Just. . . a really dumb change all around.

[ornate hamlet]

um, i just tested this and, why is smite infinite if i get it empowered?

[sick mulch]

bug

[regal musk]

Its bugged.
Its very likely that the Empowered buff is granting all the effects for each individual Blitz but to each ability.
MIght be why Assail is doing so much damage too.
But the main part is that Smite is benefiting from the 100% Peril cost reduction thats meant to be for BB and Assail

[restive slate]

So what is the shield bug Ive been hearing about?

[sick mulch]

not really a bug imo

just warp charges giving shields back on shield cast

[restive slate]

Aaaaah

[ornate hamlet]

ya thats a bug

idk how u wouldnt consider it a bug

[sick mulch]

because thats how warp charges work?

[ornate hamlet]

they reduce the cooldown by 7.5% per charge

7.5 x 6 does not equal 100

lmao

did u even read the description

[spiral escarp]

You still believe people read descriptions AND can do math😂

[regal musk]

Funnily, even in an unbugged state, it'd provide almost enough cooldown reduction that you would almost be able to place back to back shields if the first one managed to stay up for its full 20 seconds lol

[ornate hamlet]

real life ogryns behind the monitor in this discord fr fr

[steep spade]

hey all, should i trade out the right for the left, and if so what blessings/perks would you recommend I change?

[steel egret]

This is why weapon stats were indicated by just bars originally, no reading required

[ornate hamlet]

left better stats

all i care about ooga booga

[austere burrow]

Does left one shot headshot mutants

[sick mulch]

idk if theres an actual like infinite shield bug im missing but the warp charges shield thing def doesnt seem bugged

[dusty ivy]

what is the difference of auric level heresy and atoma prime heresy

[austere burrow]

I run maniac damage on mine to be able to do that, and it makes a huge difference when you're getting run down by a mutant horde

[steep spade]

without maniac, no

[austere burrow]

Hmmmm

[steep spade]

i haven't altered it yet

I'm assuming the way to go would be changing unyielding to maniac, and rampage to uncanny?

[spice veldt]

not a bug btw https://streamable.com/ax5vy9

god intended for you to deploy 20 domes in a minute

[austere burrow]

Unyielding isn't the worst perk to have

[thin finch]

7.5x1 btw

[austere burrow]

And with uncanny stacked up you might still be able to one shot mutants

[dusty wasp]

infinite smite is fun

[sick mulch]

oh damn havent seen that

[last sleet]

Gun? On psyker? You might be looking for Veteran. :D

[opal pebble]

Sounds neat

[restive slate]

There it is! How do you do this? Wanna experience before it gets fixed

[sick mulch]

get a warp charge and pop shield and repeat it looks like

[odd flax]

Are the new darts as powerful as people are saying?

[last sleet]

Btw, playing assail, is there anything I can do to help in an assassination mission? I'm running Illisi, Surge and assail and I feel like actual boss damage is pitiful.

[last sleet]

People feel like they're op. I feel like they're for sure the strongest psyker build, but maybe not OP.

[wet belfry]

I think basically every class is overtuned by now.

I literary just ran to the end of a damnation mission yesterday as zealot.

[heavy echo]

try a voidstrike staff its more damage for single target(my opinion)

[summer prairie]

If you do 800k+ dmg using nothing but your grenade ability, it might be slightly op

[dusty wasp]

well it's sure too good, but smite is my best friend now, infinite cc, no peril at all,too.

[keen harbor]

yeah, that's also a bug

[regal musk]

If its just instantly refreshing the cooldown, its bugged to hell.
If its just reducing it by near half as it should be doing and letting you chain them by virtue of properly reduced cooldown .. Then its behaving as normal lol
I hate warp charges so i havent tested it myself lol

[lunar hollow]

does the toughness regen stack

[humble star]

Which one of you is over here making Redditors mad

[sick mulch]

i think i just thought it wasnt bugged because i wasnt spamming them every time i got a single charge

[lunar hollow]

dude if these smite psykers werent out here holding back these 8 bruisers

i'd be so dead.

[dusty wasp]

is the smite one bugged, too ? im always using the smite with warp charge which still increase my peril, but then im using the one i forgot the name, it's in the middle, empowered something, which literally let me use smite for my whole life.

[humble star]

As a man who unbound his dodge key, I agree

[sick mulch]

empowered psionics is def bugged for smite

[regal musk]

Smite is getting the 100% peril reduction when it shouldnt be.

[keen harbor]

Even soul flame is bugged (but in a negative way)

[dusty wasp]

i see, i thought i just find the thunder god build but it's too good to be true

[regal musk]

Honestly, i hope they just tweak Smite to behave a little more the Purgatus (Or i guess old surge staff?) where you charge up the attack and you can hold it while the charge ticks down and then you have to charge it and cast again

[sick mulch]

its still good even with peril gain

like josho says holding back 8 bruisers is a llifesaver lmao

[regal musk]

And then just leave the peril reduction in there. No more infinite hold and we get to have parity wioth it removing peril cost across the board

[dusty wasp]

well, i wish they keep the smite like it right now

probably decrease the tick damage it deal

[regal musk]

Decrease it from 18 per tick to how low exactly? it already does SFA for damage lol

[dusty wasp]

love to hold elites,hordes and specials for my team to kill them

[humble star]

Make it do even less damage?

[dusty wasp]

maybe ?

[humble star]

time to subtract from 0

[regal musk]

Nah, the real and only good change is to limit how long it can be held for before needing to be charged again

[humble star]

I fucking doubt smite is going to get a nerf before assail

[regal musk]

That way we get to keep it functionally as it is now with its bugged Empowered effect without encouraging people to just hold it and sidehop for an entire mission

[humble star]

bugfixes aside

like infinite bubble shield

[steel egret]

I mean it has a known bug.

[undone shoal]

Can't wait for the "omg can't believe they needed bubble!" When they finally fix that l9l

Nerfed*

[obtuse moth]

It’s goodish, replace terrifying barrage with warp flurry if you can deal with adds. Perks would probably be flak maniac. I’d test in the psykhanium if you can comfortably one shot elites and specials. If you can’t one shot most specials with your build, either change it or use maniac

[steel egret]

But its good regardless of said bug for CC.

[humble star]

refer to what I said after

[obtuse moth]

Not true, you can also get them from either a 4% chance on all enemies or 10% from soul blaze

[spice veldt]

melee the boss and call it a day
His shield takes 3x melee damage, 0.5x ranged. His HP takes 2x melee damage and 1x ranged.

[steel flame]

my god i just got deleted, and my friend managed to clip it

im crying rn

[regal musk]

Warp Charges were always terrible. I find it hilarious that they managed to make them even worse XD
At least i can just choose not to deal with them and be happy

[steel flame]

it was so fucking funny

and sudden

[obtuse moth]

The guarantee makes warp charges really usable tbh on auric missions

[humble star]

Also, CC with trash damage is overrated and has been since launch. See Ogryn shield until this last patch. For the first 2 months of this game all of reddit thought shield was god tier and the only way to play Ogryn

[dusty wasp]

well, they also make that penance which you have to have full warp charges for 300s harder just because of that

[regal musk]

Its better in that you get from kills rather than specifically BB, but on the flip side, it makes them progressively harder to maintain as you step down difficulty where fewer elites/specials spawn lol

[dusty wasp]

exactly

[regal musk]

But it maintai8ns its old crappyness of not being able to proc them against bosses/monstrosities unless youre also getting spawns of specials

[gusty furnace]

Point being, Warp Battery went from a tedious penance to. . . why the fuck would I even bother trying for this because the consistency of warp charge gain is so low.

I feel bad for all the new players. Penances are bugged due to new equipment, damn near impossible to do because of nerfs, or just super fucking moronic because of ability changes.

[keen harbor]

well the 10% from soul blaze is bugged

[humble star]

Zealot flesh wound penance is still locked to private lobby btw

New solo players can get wrekt

[restive slate]

So Im building a Rashad axe to complement my Purgatus, what should I change?

[regal musk]

Just change it to On Hits for everything a chance to gain a charge and then leave it specialist/elite kill always generates one.
That way you can gain them passively through regular hits and force proc them on elites/specials.

[obtuse moth]

That’s a completely valid perspective, however saying it only can come from elites (or specials) is straight up misinformation. This being a discord where there’s a lot of new players coming in for advice, means that statements of that nature should be corrected for their benefit.

[remote raptor]

terrifying barrage on purgatus is redundant right

[keen harbor]

soul flame takes a while to kill, and terrifying barrage only procs on kills

[regal musk]

Its not misinformation.
Getting WCs from any source other than an Elite/Special kill is something you have to specifically add in via additional talent picks.

[gusty furnace]

Fair enough.

[remote raptor]

ic

[spice veldt]

mhm

[gusty furnace]

Been around the long time players long enough that I tend to speak in generalities cause I know they'll get the drift.

I'll work on it.

[humble star]

According to Jsat you don't need to be the one to kill enemies with soul blaze. As long as they are on fire it should work

[regal musk]

IIRC, thats basically how it worked in the old talent system right?

[steel flame]

@spice veldt https://streamable.com/99xyk7 i got the ole yettus deletus

[humble star]

I think? been too long and I know FS has changed the way a lot of stuff works in this patch

[steel egret]

People seem to like it just for that, personally dont use it.

[spice veldt]

trajedy

[humble star]

I mean yeah, there is nothing else to use it for but CC

framerate drop too I guess

[gusty furnace]

Kind of.

[steel egret]

I think people who really like it play on malice where it probably does enough to kill at.. some pace.

[gusty furnace]

All psykers in the mission using Wildfire and/or Ascendant Blaze got all the benefits regardless of whose skills killed the enemies.

[steel flame]

i love that even now after warp charges have stopped affecting every aspect of psykers kit, its still all anyone talks about

[gusty furnace]

The problem is that Fatshark took choice away.

[steel flame]

huh?

[gusty furnace]

Venting Shriek drops all warp charges regardless of you wanting it to or not.

[steel flame]

explain that one to me

[regal musk]

TBF people didnt like Ogryns with shield because a lot of them would simply walk forward with Shield up doing literally nothing of value unless the entire team was standing directly behind him.
SHield is great now becaause it can actually force things to hit the shield

[gusty furnace]

Whereas last patch you had three options, and only two of them dropped warp charges.

[obtuse moth]

All we talk about is voidstrike and assail

[steel flame]

well good thing there is the option.....to just not use warp charges

or not use venting shriek

[humble star]

The fact that it has like triple DPS now due to bleed buff also helps

[gusty furnace]

The venting shriek keystone shouldn't drop warp charges automatically. All three of psykers old level 30 feats should've been keystone modifiers

[regal musk]

They literally cant make WCs good lol, they sucked before and they suck now XD

[gusty furnace]

But alas alas

[keen harbor]

does voidstrike work better with EP or warp?

[obtuse moth]

If you couldn’t shoot through psyker shield I think people would also be disliking it a lot when players use them

[regal musk]

For sure. Though all melee weapons get that bleed on heavy fdrom the perk IIRC.
Its bloody nice on the shield, really helps shore up its lack of hit damage.

[steel flame]

eh. ill stick with my speedy Ddestiny stonks thanks very much

[obtuse moth]

Is the electric bonk stick any better now?

[steel flame]

being a dodge tank with crits spam is just disgusting

[humble star]

Difference being that a weapon that used to have 0 dps now has very decent DPS due to the buff. Oggy's other melee weapons don't rely on it nearly as much for total DPS

[regal musk]

Nah, unless it also blocked LoS, people would just learn to slide in and out of the shield to snipe stuff.
Hiding behind an ogryn (Except staff) just means wasting ammo on his ass lol

[wet belfry]

Disrupt destiny is still a worse dps talent then warp charges for most purposes.

Im pretty sure its bugged though.

It only seems to mark gunners, ragers, maulers.

[summer prairie]

warp charges are also a bigger point commitment for most builds

[spice veldt]

probably intended

it marks human-sized non-specialist enemies that aren't groaners/poxwalkers

basically a keystone for pushing the map

[wet belfry]

I havent seen it mark scab or dreg melees.

[spice veldt]

it marks them and makes them glow when it works

but often times, they will straight up just not glow at all

(but will still get DD stacks from them)

if you spawn a bruiser in the psykh with invisibility off, you'll see that they get marked by DD

[humble star]

yeah, I've noticed this. 10/10 bug and defeats the whole purpose of the keystone

[summer prairie]

oh the bp calc was updated

[spice veldt]

wooo

[chrome patrol]

i need some help im running psyker with illisi force sword and assail im in need of a gun that reliably kills crushers which one could i choose?

[regal musk]

Surge Staff or Voidstrike to the face 😛

[chrome patrol]

guess theres no gun option? xD

[unique mist]

voidstrike staff

[regal musk]

Well you can use a gun if you like but im not sure the ones we get as Psyker deal well with armor lol

[chrome patrol]

kk will take a look which of the staffs i like more then ^^

[unique mist]

voidstrike is just a good ole charge-boom

[humble star]

any sword or axe with rending blessing.

[chrome patrol]

force sword works fine on single ones

but if they come in a group

[wet belfry]

I also tried the vraks 3 psyker build.

It was alright but it lacked the dps to push beyond alright.

[unique mist]

i am trying to run a scriers gaze build with unstable power force sword, what 2nd blessing should i go for if i'm making this a more melee focused build?

[wet belfry]

Mainly in horde clearing department.

[full atlas]

so people are complaining:

Assail ruin the fun in the game
Smite ruin their fps

am i supposed to only play BB builds lol

[unique mist]

i mean you could just leave it at "people are complaining"

[humble star]

idgaf about assail. Smite ruining FPS is a fact tho

[regal musk]

Honestly.. .Assail shouyld have just been a new ranged force weapon for us instead of a Blitz. People wouldnt be crying as much about it that way lol

[unique mist]

assail go fwing twing and kill the horde

[full atlas]

i mean i tend to pick what i feel like atm since im only doing T4 missions

the complaints just annoyed me lol

[humble star]

What am I supposed to say about your complaints about the complaints

[last sleet]

Why is the game giving me 378 las pistols, Jesus. :D

[spice veldt]

if you want to run something, just run it

[regal musk]

Same reason ive gotten 14 axes in a row.

[full atlas]

well i do complain how people who wanted to have fun ruin my fun 💀

[spice veldt]

ignore what people say if it's limiting your build choices

[humble star]

complaining about the complaining is just adding to what is annoying you, just play what you want

[last sleet]

Is 16% toughness the max? I never saw higher on a curio.

[full atlas]

ye i just started playing whatever i feel like instead of compromising lmao

[spice veldt]

17% is the max

[round charm]

whats a good melee to pair with a voidstrike?

[remote raptor]

is this too low even for mobility

[round charm]

if these stats matter to you then it could stand to be higher, otherwise your damage stats look decent

[remote raptor]

a lil bit when im trying to get away, i'll try it out and see it feels

[remote raptor]

is this a calculator or smthing btw

[round charm]

press v for detailed stats, then mouse over

idk what button on consoles

[remote raptor]

oh u mean inspect shows those got it

[round charm]

yeah

[limber silo]

can any of the duelling swords proc rampage on anything except push attack?

[round charm]

some of the swipes have a hitbox that can be dragged a little big. you might be able to swivel cut into a horde and get it, but unless you can track it well, it will be weird to do reliably

[winter magnet]

this is the best save ive ever done

https://medal.tv/games/warhammer-40000-darktide/clips/1xWjH2EAmYGVv7/d1337M7Qm2cI?invite=cr-MSx0cDQsMTgxODMyMjkzLA

not an important one

but sheesh

[summer prairie]

Only the push attack can initially proc rampage. Lights can proc it once it's active but mostly only against groaner hordes

[cold geode]

man surge really generates peril now

[viscid matrix]

yeh, but that balances it, otherwise it would be a little to strong

dont compare it to void, void is massivly overtuned

[round charm]

i wish there was a charge beam staff

just a holdable laser

[viscid matrix]

that would be cool

[round charm]

senna had one in vt2

[spice veldt]

give psyker a mechanically interesting staff (CHALLENGE IMPOSSIBLE!!!)

[still hearth]

People will say Trauma

[round charm]

idk if id call trauma interesting

[spice veldt]

true trauma's 2.3m epicentre is vewy hard to aim

[still hearth]

Clunky as shiiit

[round charm]

the playstyle needed to use it well is interesting, but the staff not so much

[viscid matrix]

Trauma has dogshite targeting for the circle, looking at the ceiling to target enemies far away is shit

[spice veldt]

i sure love my precision AoE weapons

tbf trauma is basically an arc weapon

[summer prairie]

peril generation is kind of a non-issue now

[near wyvern]

I think lights can proc it if they crit?

[round charm]

they made surge staff into an ability, so why not do that for all staffs. give me a yondu needle staff and a bb staff pls

[spice veldt]

except that you can't see the line, and the "hitbox" of where it lands on is infinitesimally small

[viscid matrix]

pretty sure rampage doesnt need to crit to proc

[spice veldt]

I know that you can proc rampage off of staggered groaners

[near wyvern]

What peril generation, oh you mean my toughness regeneration?

[spice veldt]

since staggered enemies now have lower hitmass

[summer prairie]

staff peril generation

[near wyvern]

No but I think ctits have increased cleave which can cause rampage to proc

[round charm]

peril is good. it builds the nexus for damage

[summer prairie]

The context was surge peril generation

[near wyvern]

Cause duelling sword cleave is ass other than push attack

And you need to cleave to proc rampage

[viscid matrix]

fair, i think you can just use a light, and hit 3 enemies close together, but only if its a trash horde

[near wyvern]

Not gonna work on poxwalkers, perhaps on groaners it will

[spice veldt]

ds attacks have at most 2 cleave and groaners have 1 hitmass nowadays

[summer prairie]

I'm not getting any rampage procs with light crit procs, I don't think they increase cleave

[viscid matrix]

maybe

[spice veldt]

you need to stagger groaners for lights to hit 3 groaners

[round charm]

what do I change on this?

[summer prairie]

oh stagger

[spice veldt]

yeah it was a real vine boom moment when I was testing the ds attacks earlier and I noticed that my attacks were hitting 3 groaners sometimes

and then I remember that particular line in the patch notes

[round charm]

exorcist for double blessing changes, or weak spot for another damage bucket?

[spice veldt]

i think they have to be at least medium-staggered or whatever though

on some pushes, they didn't seem to be "staggered enough" for it

[viscid matrix]

will you be putting weapon information into the steamguide with suggested blessings and perks like the Ogrynomicon?

[summer prairie]

It doesn't work if you have invisibility enabled in the grinder so didn't notice it

[still hearth]

Keep exorcist for scrier memes

[viscid matrix]

block perk, might as well make it a good block weapon

[still hearth]

Ew.

[round charm]

tbf i dont block often. mostly dodge out of harms way

if i block its to rev a teammate

[viscid matrix]

a good block weapon will let you survive a demonhost, on par with a ogryn with a shield

[near wyvern]

If there is enough interest. I am planning to put out info on blessings that don't work as described or have odd side effects, hidden caps etc.

[round charm]

cant you survive dh by just rotating around it still?

its melee used to be jank and focused to one side

and with force sword infinite dodge spam, you just keep spinning around forever until your team kills it

[viscid matrix]

yes, but for less skilled players a block weapon with peril instead of stamina will sufice

[round charm]

thats fair

[summer prairie]

I don't think rotating around it was ever 100% reliable

[round charm]

it worked for me, but i couldve just been lucky

[still hearth]

Just dodge far enough and its easy

[round charm]

iirc the other strat was to run around an object

some real benny hill style shenanigannery

so keep quell for scrier memes, and the other recommendation was more block instead of weak spot?

[still hearth]

That's some big memes right there

[viscid matrix]

tbh illisi isnt a great single target weapon, so going for block and defensive weapon is probably better

[round charm]

yeah, i have voidstrike for single target stuff

alright, this is the setup

[near wyvern]

This still works for sure, have done it once after patch cause some idiot woke her up

[viscid matrix]

tbh i would sacrifice the warp nexus on the staff for Surge blessing

then drop the extra chain on smite node to get the 5 weakpoint for guarenteed crit node, so you can still 1 shot crushers

[viscid matrix]

some idiot always wakes them up

[round charm]

i thought warp was the bis for all staves

if i drop warp i may as well drop the on-crit based nodes as well

[viscid matrix]

guarenteed crit after 5 weakpoint hits fixes that, since you always aim for heads with void staff

dont get me wrong nexus is bis for all staves, but surge on void is actually more important

[round charm]

what does surge do?

[viscid matrix]

hits twice when you crit

[round charm]

ah, ok

[viscid matrix]

so if you crit headshot a crusher you can instant kill it

crit headshot i think is like 1500 damage before damage buffs, with surge its 3k

its absurdly strong

[round charm]

so spam light attack 5 times then full charge a chunker?

[viscid matrix]

yep

or shoot 1 secondary to hit multiple heads in a row

[round charm]

guess i gotta farm even more plasteel now

[still hearth]

Always charge

[round charm]

i thought it only pierces 1 thing now, or does a weakpoint explosion count as weakpoint for all?

[viscid matrix]

secondary does 750 damage on a body shot with secondary its still amazing

[spice veldt]

chargininingg also scales the amount of cleave the RMB has

[viscid matrix]

unlimited pierce

[round charm]

someone lied to me

[spice veldt]

it has 10 cleave

[summer prairie]

the calc shows 12 for some reason

[viscid matrix]

looks like its 10 acording to patch notes

[spice veldt]

spooky

[viscid matrix]

the fact it does 100% damage to all targets is the absurd part

they should have left the 75% 60% to flak carapace maniac

its minimum damage is 25 higher that its max it had before the patch, dam didnt realise they raised it that much
so a default secondary with no charge does more damage now than a fully charged from last patch

[summer prairie]

10 seems correct though

[regal musk]

DFidnt make much sense that its projectile pierces all it hits, but wasnt effective at hitting armor lol

[summer prairie]

can cleave 8 poxwalkers

[spice veldt]

poxwalkers have 1.5 hitmass now irrc

[summer prairie]

not 1.25?

[spice veldt]

@viral solstice how much hitmass do poxwalkers have nowadays?

[viscid matrix]

secondary explosion does like 200 damage, so a lot of them die to that anyway

[viral solstice]

1.5

[spice veldt]

huh, so it's actually 12 cleave then?

[summer prairie]

Why does minion_difficulty_settings.lua show different values

under minion_difficulty_settings.hit_mass

[spice veldt]

so 1.25

[summer prairie]

I wouldn't trust my testing over the numbers

but I also don't understand these

[spice veldt]

hmm my fsword heavy can only hit 5 groaners

[round charm]

smite is way too safe

[spice veldt]

+55% power (40% from slaught and 3 unstable power stacks) is enough for a force sword light to hit 3 poxwalkers but not +50% power

[unborn junco]

i hope the devs don’t neuter smite when they patch it and assail

[round charm]

smite doess need to be fixed as far as the empowered capstone goes though

i feel like even empowered it only tickles the enemies, and that the only reason to use empowered with smite right now is for the infinite palpatine

[thick beacon]

I think the RMB damage element is fucked rn as well

[unborn junco]

exactly. imo they should lessen the peril generation by a good amount on smite and patch the infinite hold

[round charm]

i like the feel of the infinite, but it def shouldnt be truly infinite

ideally more damage, and a max hold timer or something

[summer prairie]

Wait, the lua file has another minion_difficulty_settings.hit_mass section that has different values

[still hearth]

I mean the LMB is meant to be "single target high damage"

But that's clearly not implemented

[summer prairie]

Seems like a mistake...

[river sand]

guys whats your thought on keystone for voidstrike? Warp siphon or Disrupt Destiny ?

[still hearth]

Warp

[still hearth]

Disrupt Destiny is too cumbersome rn

[round charm]

either way, it does pisspoor damage, and is currently just a cc god

[river sand]

actually i have it on max stacks a lot more than WS. thing is WS needs so many points so its difficult to get true aim (5 headshots = 1 crit)

[spice veldt]

hmmmmmmmmm

[still hearth]

Idk how its difficult unless you're taking all the toughness regen nodes

[summer prairie]

The difficulty settings lua basically initializes all the settings twice, with different values

[thick beacon]

The tool tip says charge to deal high damage/impact, which is RMB iirc

[summer prairie]

who knows which ones are intended, probably the ones that get initialized last

[spice veldt]

probably the 1.5 hitmass one for poxxies assuming that force sword lights still have 2 cleave

[summer prairie]

groaners 1.25 and pox 1.5 sounds right and matches the second values in the file

[steady lion]

what talent causes the smite abil to generate lots of weird purple smoke clouds?

[thick beacon]

The infinite casting from Empowered Psionics, probably

[fickle onyx]

Does toughness regen on warp charge gain stack? Like if I get 6 charges at same tike I get 180 tough reg over 5s?

[summer prairie]

the node says getting a charge refreshes the timer

[fickle onyx]

Explain like I'm ogryn

[steady lion]

can the purgatus staff proc soulblaze effects?

[round charm]

isnt that what the purg staff is?

[viral solstice]

it's when u retarget it too fast

gets fixed

[round charm]

i think if its the "dies" it does

[steady lion]

ahh rip rave floor

[viral solstice]

john carpenter directed disco

[steady lion]

can smite crit with mettle to generate lots of toughness?

[regal musk]

You'll get more reliable toughness generation from the Peril related nodes tbh

[spice veldt]

smite can't crit sadly

[thick beacon]

On the topic of toughness, Iwonder how much toughness you can generate with scriers gaze while actively quelling. Not necessarily a useful way to use scriers gaze, but...

[charred shuttle]

New regen overwrites previous regen as I understand

[steady lion]

scriers seems a very weird abil, are there any builds that work really well with it? I never see anyone take it

[spice veldt]

with 80% quell speed, you quell 12.31% peril every 0.25 seconds

so 24.6% with quietitude and 36.9% with warp expenditure per second

[summer prairie]

the quell speed node lowers the tick time by 30% rather than increasing the amount

[spice veldt]

quite a nice surprise

[fickle onyx]

This is a sad day
Imma stay with less heat gen than

[thick beacon]

That's impressive, tbf. Not sure I'll find a time when quell tanking is the right thing to do, but it's good to know that you could if you wanted to

[summer prairie]

peril resistance doesn't seem useful anymore, I'd probably always grab the toughness on gaining a charge instead

[still hearth]

At the same time you get toughness from breathing on Psyker now

[lofty temple]

Use peril resistance.

[regal musk]

waste of a point IMO, especially if you have the regens from the top of the tree

[steady lion]

which node is peril resistance?

[regal musk]

Inner Tranquility. One of the lockout modifiers after taking Warp Charges

[summer prairie]

Peril resistance is a bigger waste

[regal musk]

Less of a waste than toughness regen tbh

[summer prairie]

It doesn't do anything

And you don't sit on your max warp charges anymore

[sick mulch]

one assail shot gives you like 50 toughness back how is it regen better

[regal musk]

If its bugged, thats another thing entirely.
But if its working, -36% Peril generated in fairly noticeable

[summer prairie]

Maybe if you are running shield and barely ever use it

[steady lion]

I heard this was really good, this with the essence harvest node?

[summer prairie]

Who said regen is better, just comparing the options when pathing through the tree

[sick mulch]

im exaggerating but regen just does not seem worth with all the psyker nodes that give raw toughness

[spice veldt]

prob remarking on assail being able to kill 3 targets (ideal case), and with soulstealer that amounts to 45% toughness

[inland glen]

Hey gamers, quick question. Does the "Empyrean Empowerment" from the Warp Siphon keystone (Left one), also increase the damage of the Assail?

[summer prairie]

Peril doesn't matter anymore because you quell so fast and when you are already at 100 and just quelling down to ~80%, resistance does nothing even when you have the stacks. You always want to have high peril anyway

[spice veldt]

it's a global damage buff, so yes

[inland glen]

😩 very nice, thanks!

[summer prairie]

If you want to quell to 0, maybe it can help but then you are losing damage buffs for nothing

If you run shriek, you are losing your charges all the time

[sick mulch]

i dont run shhriek really

[astral oracle]

assail shriek has been good to me

[austere estuary]

gonna pick this up in advance for the distant future when we get more levels

[astral oracle]

would it matter

would it really

[austere estuary]

Calm down Chester

[left turtle]

what perks would i typically aim for on a dueling sword

specifically the MK4

[river sand]

riposte and precog

[true veldt]

What blessings do I want on Rifthavn staff?

[astral oracle]

those are blessings

and not perks

[austere estuary]

precog I like in theory but the duration eesh

[astral oracle]

so one of you

is wrong

[true veldt]

Want some firepower to go with my smite build so figured flame staff would be nice

[left turtle]

Perks, not blessings

[frank pike]

Just go voidstrike fam. Twoshot crushers on damnation

[left turtle]

no

[river sand]

sorry had no coffee today.

maniac is always good

[austere estuary]

FINALLY deflector 4

melk getting my melkbux today

[left turtle]

maniac covers what exactly? only ragers?

[austere estuary]

flamers too iirc?

[plucky flax]

All the sus specials.

[austere estuary]

not sure about bombers

[plucky flax]

Flamer, trapper, muties.

Bomber is flak.

[austere estuary]

thanks

[left turtle]

oh muties too, nice

yeah ill slap on maniac

[river sand]

guaranteed mutie oneshot for example

[austere estuary]

really nice for muties

[viscid matrix]

Ragers, Flamer, Trapper, Muties, Tox flamer

[austere estuary]

what do dogs count as? specialists?

[viscid matrix]

infested

[austere estuary]

aah

[viscid matrix]

you can see all this in the meatgrinder

[austere estuary]

was thinkin since they had audio cue

[viscid matrix]

they are specialists and infested

[austere estuary]

oh lol

kind of a funny mental image

like these dogs have a doctorate in something

... a dogtorate

[river sand]

beside maniac, there is not the one and only option, depending on your talents you could go with block eff or flak

[left turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/boo-gif-19787475173016375

[austere estuary]

boo-urns?

[royal granite]

https://tenor.com/view/gandalf-sax-guy-gif-18663354

[left turtle]

inb4 "Erm its not voidstrike!!11!

[austere estuary]

oof, also a good blessing to pick up for claws

thunderstrike 4 and shred 4, melk wants my currency

[left turtle]

Probably gonna roll off Terrifying barrage, just tryina decide what

[austere estuary]

nexus and flurry?

flurry is always nice

[left turtle]

actually yeah, that sounds great

[austere estuary]

I really like that combo in general

great on any staff

[left turtle]

its got Flak armor dmg on it, im wondering if re-fining the crit chance to something else might be better

[austere estuary]

crit is great on purg

double stacks of soulfire

[left turtle]

or just re-fine it to tier 5, cause its only tier 4 rn

[austere estuary]

yeah could do

[left turtle]

tier 3/4*

[austere estuary]

I'd do that yeah

go for refine the crit roll, and rebless the barrage

the only sad thing about that staff is the burn stat

[austere estuary]

but what a godlike perk and bless setup

[left turtle]

yeah tbh its really only here to mulch crowds to give me room to BB priority targets

[viscid matrix]

Elites:

• Crushers - Carapace
• Bulwarks - Carapace arms and boots and shield, Unyielding everywhere else
• Reapers - Unyeilding, Flak Chest, carapace boots and glvoes
• Scab Gunners - Flack everything except thighs
• Dreg Armoured Gunners - Flak body and head, unarmoued arms and legs
• Dreg Unarmoued gunners - Unarmoured
• Dreg Shotgunners - Flak body, unarmoured head, arms and legs
• Scab Ragers - Flak
• Dreg Ragers - Maniac
• Scab Maulers - Carapace head, flak everything else

Specialists:

• Poxburster - Infested
• Scab Flamer - Maniac
• Dreg Flamer - Maniac
• Scab Bomber - Flak
• Scab Sniper - Unarmoured
• Scab Trapper - Maniac
• Mutants - Maniac
• Poxhounds - Infested

there we go

and link for all the images
https://imgur.com/a/AR0Nxo4

[austere estuary]

gonna make this a block centric thing I think, roll block efficiency on it and then get some curios setup

prob put slaughterer over shred

[austere estuary]

Feels like since patch its head is no longer anywhere close to the back spot damage?

[viscid matrix]

which one?

[austere estuary]

beast of nurgle

that's what the preview image shows on my discord for the link

[viscid matrix]

ohh its all unyeilding, but back is the only weakspot

pretty sure all mobs have changed slightly with damage modifiers on hits

[austere estuary]

anyone messed about with this at all? wonder if it has a max stacks of like 8 or something, and if it ends up in comedy situations if mutliple people run it

just imagining a group of 4 slapping everything about like crazy

[viscid matrix]

no max stacks, but everything dies befoer it gets many stacks or it gets 0 stacks

[austere estuary]

I mean if you had 4 people applying it

[viscid matrix]

would die before you could apply more than 8

[austere estuary]

thinking about monsters

maybe we;d need a voidstrike in there or something to set the initial stagger

but then just 4 dudes standing around in a circle slappingit while it chain staggers because insane impact

[spice veldt]

prob 8 max stacks

I know that Skullcrusher has a max stack of 8, so presumably Thunderstrike has the same limit

[austere estuary]

that's what I was thinking of, but wondered if anyone happened to know for sure

[viscid matrix]

probably best to ask in #zealot-class or #ogryn-class since they use weapons that have that blessing more

we use finnese weapons more than blunt

[cyan notch]

dreg ragers are maniac
scab ragers are flak
poxbursters are infested

[viscid matrix]

fixed 😄

[left turtle]

Are scab ragers not ALSO maniac, flak overrides it completely?

[cyan notch]

no theyre just flak

[left turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[dense tapir]

I finally got a chsword for my crit psyker build, beside Shred what blessing should i get on it ?

[summer prairie]

rampage

[dense tapir]

No need for the extra cleave ?

[summer prairie]

rampage is also more cleave

[dense tapir]

It's jsut more dmg

[raw token]

nah more power too

[dense tapir]

isn't power the one that give dmg and cleave ?

[spice veldt]

yeah the description for rampage is wrong

it gives power instead of damage

[dense tapir]

WHAT

I DIDN'T KNOW THAT OMG

[raw token]

ye very good

[summer prairie]

Not sure if shred is worth taking over even more cleave though

[dense tapir]

What are the good combos on chsword though ? light spam ? or should i use heavies too

[dense tapir]

I'm going scryer's gaze, crits are my way to get toughness back

[summer prairie]

definitely heavies when density is high

[dense tapir]

Didn't even reroll a single thing, it's promising

[knotty river]

this stat distribution any good or is burn too important?

[raw token]

burn should really be 76+

[royal granite]

how important are the burn, damage and cloud radius stats on a purgatus?

[plucky flax]

Damage dump stat. Burn 76+, cloud radius as high as possible.

[raw token]

why is dmg dump?

[summer prairie]

cloud is probably most important in most scenarios, but might as well also go for burn 76+

[knotty river]

sadge

[plucky flax]

Because damage affect the direct damage not the burn damage.

[summer prairie]

in practice purg stats barely matter but might as well go for a good one when you have to spend resources

[dense tapir]

On zealot flamer, high dmg apply burns faster, it's not the same on purgatus ?

[raw token]

yeah but isnt direct dmg still good? i literally never use purg so idk

[plucky flax]

No on both it only affect the direct damage. The burn is from crit (double stack), or just an interval.

[timber iron]

do you know if it is still bugged and the crit double stack still happens only on left click uncharged?

[summer prairie]

I didn't play for 5 months but it definitely isn't bugged now and wasn't then

[plucky flax]

No the scaling is really bad, it's like 1 or 2 between 60% and 80%.

[royal granite]

this isn't the worst roll is it?

[summer prairie]

Warp resistance is probably the least useful stat on purg

[royal granite]

i've literally never futzed around with purge so

[mossy canopy]

Scrier's Gaze is just a warp-barbarian rage, change my mind

[royal granite]

no

[severe chasm]

is gaze actually good?

[royal granite]

psykers are not in the business of changing people's opinion, we are in the business of splattering people's opinions all over the floor

[dense tapir]

Would you change something on this one ? (scryer's gaze crit build)

[summer prairie]

I'd save the other reroll

[raw token]

are these good for a crit catachan build? or is bleed just not worth running even with weakspot damage

[fluid knot]

It has the affectionate nickname of "Thundershite" because, well, its shite 😄

[viscid matrix]

for melee and guns yes, for staves and blitzes no

[viscid matrix]

its not bad, try it out, see how it goes

[royal granite]

i have no idea what that means

[severe chasm]

gotcha. my Kantrael DMR build might be viable?

[royal granite]

googling gives me the inkling that this is some kind of sigma male thing

[viscid matrix]

if its a Kantrael XII sure

[potent echo]

sigmar balls

[raw token]

is this max or is 16 stacks max?

[royal granite]

mg12 aint goin anywhere

[potent echo]

15

[viscid matrix]

its max, 16 stacks is if we could reach 100

[potent echo]

16 is for 100% roll which isnt possible yet

no idea what fatshark have in mind

[viscid matrix]

kinda stupid that they limited us to 80%

[royal granite]

this is weird, purge feels somehow more responsive than when i tested it way before the patch

[viscid matrix]

they should have put it to 100% and max of 500
then make stuff stronger

[severe chasm]

certainly is. got weakspot damage bonus and something else i need to change

[potent echo]

all staves got a responsiveness patch

[dense tapir]

The good side is that it makes everything a lot clearer /s

[raw token]

if they actually increase the cap to 100 now that i already have so many good weapons i will die

[royal granite]

can you elaborate?

[viscid matrix]

weakspot damage and crit burn is good, or crit chance blessing of some kind

[potent echo]

faster to swap and charge

swap and lmb

etc

[royal granite]

neat

[potent echo]

its in the patch notes

no idea what they truly mean

[severe chasm]

infernus? or something else?

[potent echo]

but its just more-er

[viscid matrix]

infernus is nice
Headhunter is probbaly best tho

[potent echo]

infernus is terrible poopoo

[astral oracle]

infernus doesnt exist on a kantrael

[potent echo]

never take it

[cinder moon]

trying to figure out how to best make use of this thing with gunker. still farming blessings

[astral oracle]

wait no

im dumb

the OTHER infernus exists on a kantrael

[potent echo]

if you try infernus in the meatgrinder you get like

44 damage per tick

wow

[viscid matrix]

i know you can get +4 burn on crit on a Kantreal la

[severe chasm]

oh.. poo

[potent echo]

and anything that got crit is probably dead anyway

so only for bosses, and deadly accurate is way better

[viscid matrix]

infernus on a kantael

mines pretty shit atm

[potent echo]

dont do it

[raw token]

is burn DoT warp damage?

[viscid matrix]

tbh you dont really need the crit blessing if you have True aim for 5 weakspot hits becomes a guareneteed crit
we can get 9% crit from our talent tree
5% from weapon
so 34% by default while scriers gaze is active

[viscid matrix]

Soulburn is

not sure about normal burn

but i doubt it is

[patent ledge]

Which blitz do people like to go for in damnation runs or auric?

[astral oracle]

assail

[viscid matrix]

depends on build

if you are damage, either assail or brain rupture
if you are support, smite

[astral oracle]

I personally make the enemies shake my greasy lotioned up electrified smiting hand

but
assail

Speaking of

[viscid matrix]

assail is good enough to be a main weapon

[patent ledge]

Ahh nice, thanks for the answers fellow psykers

[astral oracle]

chialde shake my greasy lotioned up electrified smiting hand

go on

you know you want to

[viscid matrix]

will it let me edge my peril better?

[astral oracle]

it'll edge you alri-

[severe chasm]

need to change respite

[patent ledge]

Though, is it true that smite will tank your fps?

[astral oracle]

yes

it is a fog machine

so many particles

so many.

[viscid matrix]

swap it for Headhunter or Infernus

[patent ledge]

That's the power of the warp calling on their PCs

[scarlet timber]

Sooo I should get rid of this then ?

It's dogshit then

Cuz 71%burn?

[severe chasm]

its good for CCing hordes

[scarlet timber]

No its only 71% burn apprently I needed 76%...

[astral oracle]

sacrifice it to hadron for that completionist blessing window

[lunar hollow]

the dif isnt huge

[patent ledge]

It's nice that the patch made psyker skills feel really good, I redownloaded the game just for the new patch

[viscid matrix]

use it until you get a better one

[lunar hollow]

ur not missing out on a great deal of burn and u have to hit some real tight margins to get an actual upgrade on it

[charred shuttle]

Any Psykers doing cliffhanger and want to join me and 1 other Psyker to help each other without randoms interfering?

[viscid matrix]

best bet, ask in the #vox-lfg-lexicanum channels

[charred shuttle]

I did but they are mildly dead compared to this one

And people often ask about penances here

[scarlet timber]

I see yeah

[severe chasm]

I got cliffhanger first week the game came out, back when it was an absurd amount.

[viscid matrix]

it was 20 😄 was annoying to get

[severe chasm]

i was lucky asf

[viscid matrix]

pick n mix was the most annoying one to get back then

[charred shuttle]

I'm not, had the espionage mission, in the finale a zealot was just flaming everything on both bridges....

[viscid matrix]

use voice channels, get a group, and let them know you want to attempt that at least once during that mission

[tough stump]

what the difference?

blue green brown

[viscid matrix]

inspect them, and mouse over the yellow bar of the modifiers

modifiers are differnt for each weapon

[severe chasm]

rate of fire

one is slower i know that

[tough stump]

torrent

just what i needed

thx

[strong pilot]

finally i can make my friends' ears bleed with this staff