psyker-class

[woven pumice]

Smite stopping things completely with minimal delay compared to brain burst not oneshotting a mutant and it continuing to charge

Or compared to assail which is bound for a nerf anyway

Is kind of a moot comparison

I'm fine with smite just being cc, it's fun as is

[last sleet]

I don't see why assail would need a nerf.

[regal musk]

Smite is kind of amazing for those fun elevator rides where the door opens at the end of it and theres just a pile of Ogryns, Shotgunners and Maulers standing in melee range of the squad lol
Even without the bug, it can save runs. Though i really hope we get to keep the peril bonus but rework it so its not infginite.

[wooden flare]

I’m gonna be honest

I hate Psyker players who use Assail

They keep stealing kills I need for sustain or to get a challenge done

[last sleet]

I'm serious. I just saw an Ogryn solo a plague ogryn by keeping it perma staggered. Each class has some incredibly strong abilities, that can really save a situation. Assail is good for all small and unarmored targets, and for anything bigger you're better off swapping to a weapon, and when swarmed you might run out and swap to melee for a bit. It seems to have a perfect niche to sit in, and I don't see why it would need nerfing.

It's also quite slow on larger ranges, and against targets far apart. It absolutely has enough downsides to be a balanced ability. I think people just see: "Oh, there's 5 specials in a tight group and assail mobs them" and think the ability is OP.

[viscid matrix]

do pennaces in private games

[viscid matrix]

its OP because we can use it indefinatly without needing to swap to another weapon
its got good damage against everything except heavily armoured enemies and monstrocities

[primal radish]

i was doing 0 damage to a green bulwark, is that a bug or intended somehow...

[narrow crane]

any takers on this

[viscid matrix]

intended, those are empowered

[viscid matrix]

BCR?

[narrow crane]

block cost reduction

[primal radish]

but why dont i do damage, its just supposed to not stun them

[viscid matrix]

ohh yes

if you have the peril node, you will use less peril

[left turtle]

my guy you are SO alone in this opinion

it is COMICALLY overpowered

[viscid matrix]

the main thing that makes Assail OP is the fact that we dont run out of ammo

[narrow crane]

right but I wanted to know if the 25% bcr from Kinetic Deflection and the 30% bcr from Deflector 4 on my Illisi stacks together

[viscid matrix]

it does, not sure on the exact number tho

[wet belfry]

Ive played through a bunch of games by now on psyker

It is minorly overtuned.

I do however think that in some ways this interaction should feel "op".

Becuase psyker is ultimately a very squishy class that needs room to function.

[viscid matrix]

its very overtuned, i can use only it, and never go below 3 ammo on it, while killing a lot of enemies

[last sleet]

I don't see it as OP at all. I think it's a perfectly balanced ability. If others feel like it's too strong, I'd rather see other abilities tuned up to assails level, rather than assail tuned down.

[narrow crane]

that AINT happening LOL

[viscid matrix]

i think its damage is fine, the only problem is the fact we get too much ammo regen

[restive slate]

Funnily enough i see many Assail psykers go down on Damnatiin

[compact cargo]

voidstrike>assail

[viscid matrix]

void is a very good addition to assail, to take out Monstrocities, and heavily armoured enemies

[compact cargo]

veteran talk

[restive slate]

I have a feeling Voidstrike might get nerfed

[narrow crane]

I fully encourage anyone who cares to use assail in its current state while it lasts, it's getting nerfed into the dirt until FS decides to reel it back in 2 years

[restive slate]

Look what happened to vets now

[viscid matrix]

i think nothing will get nerfed until at least end of november or january next year

[narrow crane]

1000%

[compact cargo]

I fail to see why you would do that, voidstrike IS assail without honing and more damage

[viscid matrix]

Assail can kill hordes easier and faster, void does vastly more single target damage

[compact cargo]

Ye they are great

[covert saffron]

your voidstrike isn't keeping up with the amount of kills that an assailer is pumping out bruv

[compact cargo]

Have you tried lsword, chsword with a kruebah build?

[viscid matrix]

Vets are fine, they didnt lose any power, they are about as strong or maybe stronger than before

[restive slate]

Funny

[compact cargo]

I can still spam voidstrike pretty hard for quite a well

[covert saffron]

Sure you can spam it all you want, you won't keep up

[left turtle]

if everything was as strong as assail, auric domination would be as easy as level 2.

[hushed pike]

funny close range lasgun?

[hollow stirrup]

ogryn invading the spark 'ead chat to wish you all happy brain burstings and a good day/night, or else i'm going to give you a hug

[left turtle]

Hell. even one Assail psyker turns heresy into a complete joke

[long wharf]

not a maelstrom heresy

[left turtle]

yeah turns maelstrom heresy into normal heresy

[hushed pike]

Assail is infinitely better than Smite psyker, even with the smite bug right now.

[long wharf]

had fun tonight running multiple maelstroms where specialists upgrade to minor monstrosities

got super crazy

[compact cargo]

Heresy is a joke no matter what, can be soloed easily.

[left turtle]

im not joking when i say im halfway checked out of paying attention when i have an assail psyker on me

[viscid matrix]

only in content below Auric Damnation, at highest content, Smite is BIS blitz for psykers

being able to lockdown a room is far too good

[hushed pike]

I've taken both Assail and Smite into auric damnation cause it's the only way I can play my favorite mod Power Supply Interruption.

[compact cargo]

Smite is the auric damnation downgrader

[hushed pike]

Assail just murders everything.

I only play auric damnation.

[viscid matrix]

assail murders the trash, its a very good horde clearer

[long wharf]

if you think Assail murders everything, you should try a maelstrom with enhanced blitz

[covert saffron]

I think smite is only better on shock troop gauntlet aurics. Can be way too many carapace bois on those

[long wharf]

on enhanced blitz, Assail goes from easy trash clear to easy specialist and elite clear on damnation

to include mutants

it is possible for assail to be overwhelmed by numbers that are in your face, though

[covert saffron]

thats when trusty dusty illisi gets whipped out

[long wharf]

it's almost impossible for assail alone to keep multiple horde groups off you when they're coming from different directions

[viscid matrix]

i think Assail ammo regen should be cut in half

or max stacks set at 5

[hushed pike]

And keep in mind Smite is only as good as it right now cause of the bug.

Where Assail is working as intended.

[long wharf]

honestly, Smite needs to do more damage

[hushed pike]

^

[narrow crane]

no

[left turtle]

isnt the bug just making smite deal more damage?

[long wharf]

and charging Smite needs to do way more damage

[viscid matrix]

smite is still good, even without empower

[narrow crane]

no

[left turtle]

i think its value is from its CC

[compact cargo]

Smite needs it's cc niche.

Otherwise it will have an identity crisis

[left turtle]

Smite doesnt need damage output

[compact cargo]

And compete for damage/cc

instead of just cc

[viscid matrix]

Smite without empower is fine as is, it does its job well, if you have to CC enemies for longer than 10 seconds, somthing is wrong

[compact cargo]

we got surge staff for that anyway

[left turtle]

it should be
Assail - Crowd Mulching
Smite - CC
BB - Elite/specialist

[long wharf]

surge staff isn't good right now

[woven pumice]

Love the gib explosion when smite does actually kill though

[long wharf]

it needs to be able to hit full damage on all targets it touches

[narrow crane]

Smite doesn't need anymore damage. The ability to lock down an entire room while your zealot goes around bonking everything into oblivion is more than enough

[long wharf]

and it needs to touch more targets as you charge

[viscid matrix]

that sounds about right for what it is, except Assail has too much ammo

[ornate hamlet]

Instead of a direct buff to its damage you could just increase it's secondary effect of other sources getting increased damage to 20% instead of 10%

[compact cargo]

Would make it on par, but it's better than it used to

[left turtle]

iunno what people are doign then cause they can kill a bulwark with Assail before i can brain burst it

[compact cargo]

Scry

[long wharf]

hitting it in the head from around the shield

or just use void staff

[ornate hamlet]

Me when I void staff the shield directly

Cause why not

[long wharf]

yep, void improperly ignores bulwark shield

[covert saffron]

Why improperly? It pierces

[viscid matrix]

go around the side, as long as you dont hit the shield with a shard, you can hit thier head

[woven pumice]

Trauma gives bulwark headache

[long wharf]

infinite cleave through enemies is one thing

[narrow crane]

My prediction is the Void's nerf is going to be a surge rework

[long wharf]

void trivializes bulwarks

[viscid matrix]

Void ignores all armour

[long wharf]

I don't think that's right

i.e. it shouldn't ignore armor

[viscid matrix]

it shouldnt, but it does

[long wharf]

if ignoring armor is intended, then void damage needs to be tuned downwards

[covert saffron]

What's wrong with trivializing an enemy type? Surge staff trivializes exploders and mutants too with the stagger

[spice veldt]

cuz void can do that among the other things that it can do

[unreal tapir]

[spice veldt]

not like it's the one specialty it has

[long wharf]

void is a singular answer to every enemy

it's not a specialty at all now

[restive slate]

I want Surge to be purely single target and have more range

[long wharf]

I like the range on the surge staff currently

[covert saffron]

That has to do with the damage of it, not the piercing of the bulwark shield

[restive slate]

Make void projectile slow

[long wharf]

being pure single target is a really bad idea, though

[ornate hamlet]

Nothing like stunlocking the monstrous bosses by headshotting them with a void staff

[viscid matrix]

look at those damage numbers on a white staff with 59% damage

[restive slate]

If i aim above Bulwark shield with void, i headshot it anyway

[narrow crane]

yeah dude this is INSANE

[long wharf]

like I said, it needs to be nerfed a touch

[viscid matrix]

now imaging, you crit headshot a Crusher with Surge for that double shot

[long wharf]

oh I already know

[covert saffron]

You don't even need surge, just a crit is enough to one shot a crusher

[narrow crane]

what fuckin dev said "lemme turn up the heat to 11 on this bad boy"

[covert saffron]

surge is just way too overkill on it lol

[long wharf]

no, on damnation you need surge in order to one-shot the ogryns

[narrow crane]

idt it should one shot ogryns on damnation tbh

[viscid matrix]

trauma is not quite as powerful, but still pretty dam strong too
edit: 79% damage

[spice veldt]

rip trauma

can't headshot

truly a trajedy

[narrow crane]

yeah you can

mouse 1

[covert saffron]

Sure don't, because I don't have surge

[long wharf]

but but but Trauma can apply soulblaze on weakspot hit!

[woven pumice]

The stagger on trauma will always be enough to make me love it

[long wharf]

I still hate the aiming on trauma

[ornate hamlet]

Trauma should remove enemy feet change my mind

[long wharf]

trauma should aim where I point at any distance

[shy fiber]

Warp Nexus + Transfer peril? Or Nexus + Flurry on void staff

[narrow crane]

thats just voidstrike

[long wharf]

then put a distance limit on it, not that hard

[narrow crane]

I think transfer peril sucks

[woven pumice]

I'm just used to it but it's annoying when you're on higher ground and you try aiming far away but there's something like right infront of you

[compact cargo]

fatshark on their way to change how conflagration changes in every new game

[long wharf]

but the current aiming system of using an object for geometry collision is just unintuitive

[cyan notch]

they just have to port conflag over

they decided to reinvent the wheel to a shittier wheel

[woven pumice]

Trauma's aiming is like throwing a big heavy rock with an arc

[shy fiber]

Trauma staff is the GOAT

idk what you're talking about

😭

[long wharf]

I really want to like trauma, but the aiming has put me off since beta

I also still think trauma should leave a lingering patch of warpfire

[kind jay]

trauma should just aim at crosshair like every other damn thing

[narrow crane]

I hated trauma two days ago and now I think it's the best staff in the game by far

[long wharf]

so you can do area denial with it

[woven pumice]

Trauma making gunner firing squads weep

[shy fiber]

Also brittleness don't forget brittleness

Its so fucking nice omg

[woven pumice]

I still need rending + flurry trauma staff

[long wharf]

hell, make trauma aim wherever you point, and the radius of the trauma effect be inversely proportional to the distance between your aim point and you

so closer = bigger, farther = smaller

[ornate hamlet]

Honestly, think it's time to go back to vermintide

[woven pumice]

No thankyou

[ornate hamlet]

It's calling my name

Maybe even some chaos wastes

[woven pumice]

I might too tomorrow

Sienna my beloved

[narrow crane]

the problem with this is you would make it even easier to never get hit in the game

[ornate hamlet]

Kruber with the holy sword

[long wharf]

0 radius after a certain distance, problem solved

really not a complicated problem

[ornate hamlet]

Or sienna getting her necromancy class on October 14th

It's almost here boys

[woven pumice]

I won't be able to pick it up 💔

[long wharf]

regardless, tonight was the most fun I've had in Darktide in a very long time

[narrow crane]

isn't it the 19th

[long wharf]

patch 13 has breathed life back into the game for me

[ornate hamlet]

If it is I'm hunting you down

[woven pumice]

I'll just pyromancer for old times sake

[narrow crane]

👀

[woven pumice]

👩‍🦲

[ornate hamlet]

Patch 13 was fun but I feel like they dropped the ball on everyone but psyker

I was a zealot main

[narrow crane]

it needs a little work but all classes are upgraded

[compact cargo]

Zealot is great what

[narrow crane]

also all eyes are on how OP psyker is and Ogryn is getting away with murder

[ornate hamlet]

Zealots okay, definitely not bad. I still love boss bonking but with the love psyker got

Could've used a tad more

[woven pumice]

Is ogryn why monstrosities disappear so fast

[wet belfry]

Zealot can give teams multiple times to recover.

[narrow crane]

Tbf, Psyker needed the love more than anyone. Boring ass class before patch 13

[compact cargo]

I think with love you mean bugged broken powers.

[wet belfry]

Invis is actually so op.

[compact cargo]

Empowered psionics...

[wet belfry]

All teammates dead?

Just run past enemies to get to there revive location

[compact cargo]

Invis has the funny bug, if you press f as you hit, you keep it and can cast it again

[wet belfry]

Stealth > save teammates.

[compact cargo]

Can carry batteries with it too!

[wet belfry]

Hell you could just run to the end of the mission or the next event with zealot.

[compact cargo]

teamates snorting crayons? Go solo

[ornate hamlet]

Zealots good, I've still soloed damnation with it. But when I did the run with psyker it just felt

Well

Easy

[unreal tapir]

i wish that was an option. i didnt mind playing with 3 bots back when this game was low player count.

now forced group play for private games

[narrow crane]

solo mode will be out in 1-2 years depending on how many alt colored helmets they sell

[woven pumice]

[long wharf]

I have zero faith in the Fatshark devs to implement better bots

[compact cargo]

More an issue with assail, voidstrike and empowered psionics+smite been bugged or overtuned

[ornate hamlet]

Also to whoever decided to sell recolored versions of the legacy penance armors - get bent

[compact cargo]

vt2 bots show they can do better

[long wharf]

oh, also, I would like to not spend warp charges to drop bubble shields

[ornate hamlet]

But instant bubble shields

[compact cargo]

You don't like been able to spawn 3 shields?

[long wharf]

unnecessary

I use warp charges for damage and peril resist

[ornate hamlet]

Bruh how

[long wharf]

with Assail

[compact cargo]

Can come in handy when you are babysitting the greenbeards

[ornate hamlet]

My shields last 3 seconds I need as many as I can

[compact cargo]

The toughness regen also stacks

[ornate hamlet]

This hours auric maelstrom literally ripping through my shields like they made of cardboard

[long wharf]

so, purge staff + soulblaze tomfoolery + warp charges = stupid amounts of bubble shields

[last sleet]

Shield is a weird ability. In Darktide it seems like offense is the best defense, so these shields seem incredibly situational.

[narrow crane]

shields are v v good

[lofty saddle]

So with this new update is there any like, really good anti boss builds for Psyker?

[kind jay]

my shield is not so much a protection shield as it is a shame shield. cause i only put it down to rez people who get sniped

[tough stump]

bugged

[ornate hamlet]

When in every room you're going to encounter 6 snipers , 40 gunners and 20 reapers, it's nice to have a shield to precision people down

[left turtle]

The shield is a clutch when theres 14 gunners re-enacting D-DAY

[tough stump]

kill like 5k people

still defend the train

:/

[cedar zenith]

Well

Get defending reject

[long wharf]

stay safe siblings, bed time

[last sleet]

I just was in that mission, and my team being a bit far away from me caused enemies to spawn inside where I was standing. Took me a second to realize why I couldn't move any more.

[tough stump]

i know

hi intensity but teammate dont know word group up

[last sleet]

It was a bit my fault, it was downtime and I went to the medic station for a cheeky heal.

So can't blame my group for being away, I was the one away.

[earnest oracle]

i just had a beast eat a teammate and walk over to a host to trigger it

[compact cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/machine-gun-predator-gif-18791345

[last sleet]

Now that's team play.

[ornate hamlet]

The outside of my shield that I plaxe every few steps

[compact cargo]

Nothing like 10+ gunners eating your shields

if people learned that cover actually works if you aren't a filthy TALLER

[ornate hamlet]

Yeah I love ducking behind things just to get shot anyways cause my character customizing

[left turtle]

hows this look, its un-refined right now

[ornate hamlet]

Change out two things and youre pretty much picture perfect

[left turtle]

what are those two things

[river dawn]

:/ This is what i wanted but not that low brunt wtf

[cedar zenith]

Who needs quell speed anyway

[ornate hamlet]

Sustained fire to the one that gives more crit chance per peril, and unyielding perk to crit damage

[left turtle]

i have it but only at rank 1, i should probably wait until i get it higher rank i imagine

[remote raptor]

is penetration a prio stat on a dueling sword

[spice veldt]

fairly important but also uncanny strike so it's whatevs

[viral solstice]

dont teach the kids wrong

penetration is vital in all things

[spice veldt]

🤔

[remote raptor]

[viral solstice]

im going to do brainburst only now the last build u got me to do wasnt boring enough

[spice veldt]

shame

[twilit iron]

Anyone has doen the Malleus Monstronum?

[ornate hamlet]

Here comes the boom!

[viral solstice]

based crit damage enjoyer

[white oar]

Trying out the new surge staff, and its fun

Can oneshot a good number of the elites / specials

Though I do become immensely scared everytime theres a horde, due to my lack of purgatus

[unique mist]

so, crits are determined when the shot is fired and not when it hits, and so Surge just fires 2 shots whenever you crit?

[ornate hamlet]

Yup

That's the shield ogryn and he was at full health.

[unique mist]

Once I got voidstrike I started using Assail much less (as in, I didn't switch off it, I just used my staff more)

[last sleet]

So, what's with these "redacted" penances, can you still get them, and their cosmetics?

[white oar]

Yes

[unique mist]

also it really pisses me off that you can't get venting shriek if you go prescience aura, and you can't get Wildfire if you go Assail

[white oar]

Redacted penances are simply the old penances from before the penance rework

[ornate hamlet]

This

[white oar]

Though a good number of them have been altered somewhat

[unique mist]

like, Perilous Combustion with Assail and Wildfire sounds so fun

[ornate hamlet]

thats why its not allowed

[unique mist]

yeah

[spice veldt]

totally not a strong combination

[white oar]

Tbf you can kinda get close to the same effect with brain burst

Particularly if you go empowered psionics

[last sleet]

Ah alright. And how do I start a private match for the monstrosity challenge?

[tough obsidian]

HELLO!

[dusk iron]

Anyone have an Auric Assail build?

[shell radish]

Does anyone know if the lifeleech 3 penace is bugged? Mine is stuck on 73/100 and wont increase

[narrow crane]

is that missions complete?

[shell radish]

yeah

[narrow crane]

you have to win the matches

afaik

[shell radish]

yeah I just did lol

[narrow crane]

might just be delayed updating, if not then it's bugged like the rest of the game

[shell radish]

yee maybe

[spice veldt]

Soulstealer, Perilous Combustion, and True Aim would be the "mandatory" picks

with assail, anything goes if you can path to those talents

[dusk iron]

there a tree somewhere i can copy? haven't played since before auric difficulty even existed and psyker is my least played so i gotta relearn stuff from the ground up lol

Also what weapons are you guys running lightning/revolver?

[spice veldt]

there's some stuff here https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1158835513789272126

voidstrike will prob be the popular pick around here cuz it's strong now

[white oar]

Press E in the mission select screen to open up an options menu

Theres a private game option there

[last sleet]

Oh it's 2 players only? Ah man. So still if I want the "brain burst a monstrosity" achievement I gotta find randos and ask them nicely to ignore the big bad guy?

[unreal tapir]

finally

[unreal tapir]

people are pretty nice in this community, just make a post in the lfg section asking for people to come play with you and let you solo the monstrosity on heresy

and make sure you set it to private. the first time we did it the host forgot to put it to private. even though we queued with 4 it didnt count and we had to do it again

[last sleet]

Hmm. Thanks for the tip. Maybe if I play brainburst again, and get Pick 'n Mix,

Just seems so unlikely to kill 4 in 12 seconds with BB.

[proper rapids]

I love the throwing shards

[unreal tapir]

its pretty easy on damnation. theres always packs of roaming specials with 8+. you can just take the middle purple tree (empowered psyonics) which lets you bb 3 times quickly then brainburst 2 more

i was just playing bb on damnation until i got it, took like 2 games.

[last sleet]

Should also work with warp siphon and then just using F once you start exploding. Hmm. It's just a hassle.

[unreal tapir]

and if your team clears special packs too fast, it wouldnt be hard to get the achievement by just cleaning up disablers that spawn with bb as most teammates let you do that when you run bb. they spawn so much on damnation you can just get the penance off that

[uncut hamlet]

sould be near the bottom right of the mission terminal, theres a button you can press to swap it from public lobby to private

[unique mist]

On voidstrike staff, for Surge blessing, do both shots on crit hit...crit?

[last sleet]

Speaking of talents: I'm currently playing assail with overpowering souls, getting the guaranteed empowered psionics on Elite Kills. (which, sometimes you kill 6 elites at once, nice), but I wonder if maybe Bio-lodestone would be better? After all you kill far more small enemies than elites.

[unique mist]

or is it only the first one

[tough obsidian]

fellas i got a question

is there a build that would pssibly make smite uh

better?

[uncut hamlet]

smite is mostly for cc

[last sleet]

Better than infinite smite? No.

[unique mist]

souls is better IMO

[uncut hamlet]

i havent used it though, so if youre looking for damage idk what youd take

[lofty saddle]

is there a build for melting bosses quickly? 🤔

[potent echo]

Assail

Brain burst for utility

[tough obsidian]

mainly looking for damage since i personally think it does less damage than my purgatus

[uncut hamlet]

as in, taking smite and still doing damage

[last sleet]

Yeah I guess 5% extra chance per kill doesn't make up for 100% chance on occasional special kill, even if your teammates snack a lot of the specials.

[uncut hamlet]

it does far less than purge yes

you could go smite voidstrike

[potent echo]

You can run a voidstrike staff

[uncut hamlet]

cc into ball

[kind jay]

void. or chainsword bleed if you really like pain

[uncut hamlet]

venting purge with bb?

[tough obsidian]

what ive been using so far that kinda works is smite laspistol

[uncut hamlet]

you can pop a bunch of bbs really fast

[spice veldt]

overpowering only counts elites and not including specials

[tough obsidian]

since i can just build stacks with my gun and unleash them all on corwds

[uncut hamlet]

would do a ton of damage to single target

[unique mist]

lodestone would basically just add more horde clear because its random, you wont know exactly when you'll get it, but empowered shard is overkill for any horde. Knowing you will get an emp charge back on elite kill means you can focus elites and know you will get one charge to use on another elite

[unique mist]

anyone know?

[summer prairie]

They both crit

[spice veldt]

yeah lodestone is for insane people whose main hordeclear is assail

[tough obsidian]

I will say though the pistol I got is actually kind of decent for killing elites

Does some solid damage and I can build empowerment

[left turtle]

finally gave smite a try

im in love

[tough obsidian]

I love the way smite looks and feels

I just wish it did some more damage

[tropic geyser]

no added crit chance for 2 crit blessings seems ineffecient?

[near wyvern]

Only if it did some damage yeah

[left turtle]

walking up to a platoon of like, 3 bulwarks a crusher and multiple maulers and just saying "no" and watch my Zealot buddy go completely feral

very carthartic

[near wyvern]

Now it's only useful for interrupting things

[tough obsidian]

Didn't really think about that no

[left turtle]

Iunno, the level of control it gives you over the ENTIRE room, giving it damage would be overpowered imo

[tropic geyser]

idk that you are triggering them very much

[kindred anchor]

I just play assail psyker I hope it will be nerfed alot

[near wyvern]

Or you could just throw 2 void balls and let the zealot watch the carnage

[left turtle]

eh i get alot of satisfaction playing supportive

[tough obsidian]

I do not

[near wyvern]

Not exactly true, of you get unlucky with the jumps there will be free runners

[left turtle]

im not having that issue at all with right click

[tough obsidian]

I'm saying just giving it a bit more would I think make it better

It's dps is meh so just giving a tad bit more would be nice

[left turtle]

i do think it needs a LITTLE more damage, but, i mean a LITTLE

[near wyvern]

In that case try surge staff with shred blazing spirit illisi, combustion and wildfire, brain rupture, two stun shields and empower 3 stack. Very good support, very good damage.

[tough obsidian]

Granted with psionics it does fair damage against crowds soo

So it may be getting a tad more damage at base might make it a little strong?

[near wyvern]

60DPS ain't fair damage

[tough obsidian]

Feels fair to me personally

[near wyvern]

I'd it did 100 DPS with empower and they would reduce the no peril bug then we could talk

[tough obsidian]

The no peril is a bug?

[ornate hamlet]

What's the difference? Or are they just stacking buffs?

[near wyvern]

Smite with empower doesn't cost any peril, where as it should just enjoy -30% peril generation

[tough obsidian]

Huh

[near wyvern]

So you can do it infinitely long, well as long as you don't get hit

[tough obsidian]

Didn't know that

[cinder moon]

good enforcers know their beat from the feel of the street

[near wyvern]

But still it's not that useful as one would think because the DPS is not that great and if you get unlucky with the jumps you will get freerunners

[left turtle]

are you using the charge? cause i NEVER get free runners

even on hunting grounds where they dart around at mach-fuck

[near wyvern]

You could just take a trauma or void, blast twice and kill almost everything

[cinder moon]

voidstrike is so fun right now

[tough obsidian]

Eh

[cinder moon]

full soulblaze/warpcharge build

everything is on fire

[left turtle]

i run the soulblaze with epowered psionics on my BB build

[tough obsidian]

I might mess around with my build in a sec

[left turtle]

plus smit just feels good

[pallid glacier]

Any word on if/when they will fix smite lagging the fuck o0ut of your teammates?

[left turtle]

aesthetically and to use, at least with buds. i sont think ima use it when im playing solo

[tough obsidian]

It really does

[unreal tapir]

i dont want to play gunpsyker because i like the staves but i cant kill monstrosities. its so painful when i have a bad team

i could probably kill them slowly with a staff if i had a perfect void with a crit build but crit psyker is wonky too

[summer prairie]

the combat blade push attack with bleed+mercy killer is high monster dps

[spice veldt]

i cri against monstrosities as I take 50 seconds to kill a plogryn with the mk4 ds

[full musk]

is this a good surge staff? anything any of you'd change about it?

[left turtle]

Im jsut saying im not getting free runners, and if i do get one guy who slips by, i have 3 other people

[near wyvern]

With RMB you most often taze everything infront of you as long as you have only a few targets on the front since the "zap" width quickly increases, but if you have many in front it has hard time zapping too much left / right and after the jumps are made, even if they move towards center they cannot be zapped unless something dies first

[left turtle]

or i just dodge backwards and it eventually jumps to him

[near wyvern]

but the biggest thing is, it takes 5 seconds to deal 300 damage with empower, which only kills groaners. You need more for anything else.

With 5 seconds you have time for 2 trauma / void blasts, which would achieve a lot more.

So the point is, Smite is a very good CC tool, but you shouldn't use it especially if there is no follow up from the team. The best use case is to stop a running mutant/dog or tase some flamers to prevent them from flaming and then going back to damage.

until they buff it a bit

[still hearth]

Blast radius is dumo stat and weakspot damage is still worse than specific armor type damage

[unreal tapir]

do people even run disrupt destiny? or is warp nexus on your staff just an added bonus? disrupt destiny seems inconsistent even on damnation

[left turtle]

ive been seeing alot of people trying to make it work but only hearing frustration

[near wyvern]

Disrupt Destiny is bad design, if you want more damage take Warp Siphon

[spice veldt]

I run disrupt destiny, but I mainly take it because EP doesn't suit my build and I don't have enough points to access warp siphon

[near wyvern]

this is the only valid reason

[spice veldt]

I don't take any of the upgrades, since the movement speed buff is what I'm primarily interested in it for

[unreal tapir]

i really want it to work but if you dont take the node that increases it to 30 stacks then its directly worse than the warp charge tree, but if you take that you miss out on the 30 second duration which is required for you to keep up stacks because the way it marks stuff is so wonky. it needs a change

[still hearth]

Just be a Chad like me and run no keystone

[spice veldt]

tru

[still hearth]

[spice veldt]

i have a bunch of points invested elsewhere

[near wyvern]

yeah that also works

[spice veldt]

but I'm on the right side and basically out of good options to take

[still hearth]

Last I mentioned that some people got really pissy though lmao

[idle bay]

Yeah.. do we really really need lowest Keystones, siblings?

[still hearth]

No

But it's definitely build dependent

Warp Charges can be very good for just about anything

[spice veldt]

this being what I'm running currently

since i snorted the crack cocaine that was toughness regen

[idle bay]

It was warp dust

[full musk]

i ran all of those up top at one point, thought i was being crazy

[spice veldt]

whichever lands me less years in jails, it'll be that

[still hearth]

Whoever thought that Psyker's Durability should all be bundled at the top was also on some dust

[spice veldt]

I take soulstealer cuz it's op, and Quietitude/Warp Expenditure is to cover the times where I don't have adds to regenerate all of my toughness on

[idle bay]

We are on death row already so snort whatever tickles your brain 🙂

[spice veldt]

literally 1 node cost to access your toughness regen feats lamayo

[austere burrow]

what should i replace on this?

i'm thinking carapace damage + something else

[plucky flax]

Taking all talents up top

[near wyvern]

honestly, I would just take the increased coherency range xD

[spice veldt]

true

take off dome shield and disrupt destiny into it

[austere burrow]

blessings seem fine i think

[still hearth]

Mind in Motion to quell with assail out

[spice veldt]

but I do think the movement speed from DD has some utility besides being cool

[still hearth]

[wheat lodge]

L15 how to kill chaos spawn quickly as a psyker with assail

[spice veldt]

since i like to just run into ranged patrols and be stupid while I live from empathic evasion + totally balanced toughness regen

[wheat lodge]

on malice

[near wyvern]

@spice veldt I have had trouble confirming that +50% dodge duration actually works, what is your experience about it?

[summer prairie]

I couldn't notice a difference

[spice veldt]

crab remarked that it had some jank

I take it since even if it doesn't work, it'll probably have some marginal benefit that applies to both ranged and melee

but yeah it's probably placebo for now

[still hearth]

It would be funny if it somehow applied to the crit gives dodge to ranged

[spice veldt]

one test would prob be to just spam dodges with force swords and see if that changes anything against a wall of gunners

[summer prairie]

Numeric UI also has a debug function that shows your dodge state, but I guess that might just not be implemented to in a way that shows the node effect

[near wyvern]

I did my testing in meat grinder by spawning a gunner and dodging their fire with and without it, noticed no difference in how much they hit me regardless if I had the talent or not

[spice veldt]

I also didn't think that I need empathic evasion because I took all of the toughness regen feats anyways, so +50% dodge duration is a holdover from when I pathed through it

though a bad experience in chasm assassination's finale made me take it again

[summer prairie]

You need to take all the toughness nodes for over 225 toughness too

[near wyvern]

I bet you have so much toughness + toughness regen that you are essentially wasting points

[tired jackal]

does charging your forcesword and getting a kill with it count as a warp kill attack?

[still hearth]

Yes

Which is hilarious with Illisi

[near wyvern]

yes

[tired jackal]

thats the plan illisi time

[near wyvern]

especially if you pick perfect timing and run shred

[still hearth]

Five kills to 100% toughness

[near wyvern]

since now that they changed it so shred resets on a miss, you can chain specials to keep getting shred stacks

which give you more damage when they crit

[spice veldt]

yeah I have probably overinvested into toughness
I play a little mindlessly, so I often step into fire or just be so greedy against the chaos spawn that he peels all of my toughness even though I have kinetic deflection

i also probably don't need battle meditation because Assail is my main weapon so far

[potent echo]

I play 3x toughness on psyker now

[spice veldt]

just path through Perfect Timing to go down the right side

[potent echo]

Around 160 total to resist shotgun blast

[near wyvern]

just tested, anticipation (+50% dodge duration) does not increase the duration of evasion

[spice veldt]

shame

[potent echo]

That's terrible

[near wyvern]

yes especially considering it doesn't seem to affect the duration of your dodges, like the ones you actually use your dodge counter for

[potent echo]

Like crusher overheads?

[near wyvern]

like it doesn't seem to increase the dodge duration at all

lemme frame check it now

[spice veldt]

to be a toughness crackhead, I could also do this

[kind jay]

it's 5% not 50 - fatshark probably

[near wyvern]

this seems a lot better tbh

[kindred anchor]

Can you add color on tree skill

[near wyvern]

that 30% quelling speed is juicy

[spice veldt]

oh wait i took the +ranged damage node instead of +toughness

[kindred anchor]

Its hard to read

[spice veldt]

no

die

yeah the quelling speed would fill the role of battle meditation

and be deterministic

esp since it increases the tick rate of quelling

[near wyvern]

@kindred anchor happy?

[kindred anchor]

Yes

Ty

Im color blind so arcos was harder to see

[near wyvern]

intersting, does that affect luminance difference?

cause I thought black and white is quite universal becasue it's all really just difference in luminance

[spice veldt]

i can't tell if darcy is trolling or not

[near wyvern]

based on what they taught me at university Darcy should be trolling

since they teach luminance is generally preceived about the same

[spice veldt]

die

[kindred anchor]

YOU GUYS GO TO UNIVERSITY?

[spice veldt]

now that's what I like to see

[near wyvern]

I did, now I work there until I get jmy PhD

[kindred anchor]

GLASSES

[spice veldt]

...

[potent echo]

That gives up way too many juicy talents so I'll pass

[spice veldt]

you nonbeliever

[potent echo]

Gimme glass cannon

[still hearth]

Arcro: Gets hit by one (1) crusher Overhead with max durability build and still fucking dies.

[spice veldt]

we don't talk about those

[still hearth]

Lol

[tired jackal]

what is the critical peril threshold?

[summer prairie]

Do you think it's intended that the Psyker cdr aura stacks up to 17.5%

[potent echo]

It stacks?

[still hearth]

No but we take it

[summer prairie]

Yes

[potent echo]

How does the cdr aura even work

[summer prairie]

I mean your basic aura is 7.5%

[potent echo]

Does it speed up the rate of CD?

[still hearth]

Why does it stack up to 17.5% though

[summer prairie]

And the node adds 10

[still hearth]

Ahhh

Damn that's why it felt so good

[potent echo]

Not replaces it with 10?

Understandable

[summer prairie]

Then you add curios and you'll have 29.5%

[austere burrow]

does any other aura stack

[spice veldt]

delightfully devilish

i'd bet not, unless it was some description-itis

[austere burrow]

funny edge case if not

[near wyvern]

ok I frame checked, +50% dodge duration has no effect

[austere burrow]

bruh

what does it do then

[potent echo]

Poo

[austere burrow]

lmao

[near wyvern]

using numeric UI debug info

and this is backed up by testing dodging under constant gunner fire

[potent echo]

Increase dodge count by 1

[near wyvern]

yes

[potent echo]

Which is.. alright

[near wyvern]

unless you are like me and like to run Deimos

increase dodge count by 1, ehh

[potent echo]

Then it's pointless yea

[sick mulch]

man this skill tree is so complicated to me can we go back to the old one

[potent echo]

But duelly zooms

[potent echo]

No

[near wyvern]

no, this is good

[potent echo]

Can be better

Give me melee talents

[still hearth]

There's already melee talents

[near wyvern]

I have already poured like 16 hours for updating Atheneum so we are not fucking going back

[sick mulch]

/jk but i really am having trouble deciding the skills i want to go down

[still hearth]

They're called "get crits ya nerd"

[potent echo]

But that works for ranged too

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-durden-sigma-yes-and-gif-25854888

[potent echo]

I want attack speed increase with peril

Make unchained darktide again

[still hearth]

Jokes on you

That works with ranged too

[potent echo]

[regal jasper]

I hope they don’t nerf shards

I love them

[spice veldt]

kill the shards

[regal jasper]

You’ll have to kill me first

[still hearth]

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-shame-gif-26273082

[kind jay]

i think empowered bb should be aoe

[sick mulch]

is bb just dogshit compared to assail right now?

[kind jay]

yes

[sick mulch]

damn i really dont care about the crystals 😔

[kind jay]

keep using bb then

[regal jasper]

):

[potent echo]

I love bb

I don't even run any bb node

[spice veldt]

i'd like BB if we had a precision force staff for the non-armoured chaff

[summer prairie]

The quell speed node lowers the time it takes to quell a tick rather than increasing the amount.

[potent echo]

One shotting dogs feels nice

[sick mulch]

2 shotting the muties is really helpful if you got dipshit teamates

im assuming left side tree is good but just not as good as assail and the shield bug

[kind jay]

pretty much

[full musk]

hey @spice veldt , zoe told me you're a good psyker. i know i don't know you at all but mind giving my build a once over and any advice on it?

[spice veldt]

i'm a good psyker but I tend to play specific builds; prob posting here and having other people give advice and have a 2 hour argument will be fine

[potent echo]

Argument? Sign me up

[near wyvern]

kek lmao

[full musk]

damn, was trying to skip the 2 hr argument part lol. if anyone wants to. it's a generalized add clear build with vs and assail. https://darktide.gameslantern.com/builds/9a537fe4-8f73-4283-beb0-6262cff7b62a/vsassail-add-clear?utm_medium=website&utm_source=gameslantern&utm_campaign=share_button

[near wyvern]

Sustained fire actually increases you damage for the first 4 shots

instead of third and fourth

correction

first 3 hits

fourth is normal

so yeah sustained fire increases your damage for first 3 hits then it falls back to normal

[spice veldt]

Perilous Combustion is one of the best talents that you can take, so I'd take a point from elsewhere to spec into it

[summer prairie]

presumably quell cancelling resets it?

[full musk]

yeah, i used to have it. forget why i took it off

[near wyvern]

another correction, first 3 casts, if you get surge proc it counts as 1 hit but gets increased damage for both

[near wyvern]

nope, it's on a timer

[summer prairie]

oh well, then not worth using

[near wyvern]

might be somewhat useful on burst autoguns if they someday make it worth it

[spice veldt]

I'm tempted to say to take Malefic instead of Mind in Motion, but I bet you're not doing much killing with your melee in the first place with Voidstrike + Assail

[potent echo]

Do people prefer nexus over flurry? Or is the voidstrike peril buildup too high to profit from flurry

[full musk]

yeah the sword is just for muties, one or two shots em

[potent echo]

Take duel4 instead

It straight up one shots them

With some peril

[full musk]

yeah but i already have a good deimos lol

[potent echo]

Also it has insane mobility

Deimos works too

[kind jay]

@near wyvern so wait is that intended or bug?

[still hearth]

Nexus just combos too well with Surge

[potent echo]

I was thinking maybe guaranteed crit is all you need

[still hearth]

And you always want surge on Voidstrike

Well sometimes you gotta kill a crusher solo

[potent echo]

But I haven't actually voidstrike yet so I'm just asking

[still hearth]

I mean the weapon is currently overtuned af

So you can probably run a gray one and laugh at how broken it is

[lunar hollow]

what if im deathly afraid of the color blue

sounds like it has bad value then

[tired jackal]

@still hearth if you had to go for one dmg increase blessing for the illisi what would it be?

[still hearth]

Idk tbh. I used a gray illisi for most of the time. I think it has slaughterer which is good?

[spice veldt]

I'd personally swap out [+20% DR during Scrier's Gaze] for a +15 toughness node.
WIth 3x toughness nodes (105 base toughness), +15 toughness contributes a 1.14x increase to your toughness at all times
And +20% toughness DR contributes a 1.25x increase to your effective toughness during scrier's gaze

[still hearth]

Shred is also great rn

[near wyvern]

Either there is a bug in the description or there is a bug in the functionality, but in any case the description doesn't match the functionality

[tired jackal]

ive got a t4 riposte over shred

[kind jay]

typical

[near wyvern]

notice you get some diminishing returns when you stack enough toughness, check Atheneum

[full musk]

oh ok, definitely will do

[near wyvern]

should be under the gaze modifier things

[full musk]

do you still do health curios on psyker?

[potent echo]

I don't

[spice veldt]

crab remarked that toughness DR was multiplicative since they're apparently all in the form of "95%" in the game's code

he could've been going off of a newer build if your testing says something else though

[potent echo]

That means it's worse right?

0.95*0.95 is 0.9025

[spice veldt]

ye

[potent echo]

So you can less value stacking seperate DR

[spice veldt]

for reductive effects, multiplicative stacking is worse

[potent echo]

Mef

[spice veldt]

😔

though, 4x +5% toughness DR would still be better than a 1.2x increase to your toughness

[potent echo]

I see

Will those two ever intersect

[spice veldt]

as in will we have to decide between making a choice between picking either DR or a increase to our base toughness?

[potent echo]

Yea

Will x base toughness ever be better than x toughness DR

Probably not

[spice veldt]

not particularly; there was the scrier's gaze toughness DR vs picking a +toughness node

though I'd say that +toughness will be better since you're prob not going to perpetually be in scrier's gaze

[potent echo]

Understandable

[spice veldt]

our current choice is between +15 toughness and +5% toughness DR nodes

and our base toughness won't ever be high enough for +15 toughness to have diminishing returns to the point that +5% toughness DR will be better, unless you account for coherency regen (which I personally wouldn't)

[plucky flax]

Spent 50k plasteels since the update. My reserve is down to 35k now.

[spice veldt]

so if you already took 4x +15 toughness nodes (120 toughness) and had a choice between +15 toughness or +5% toughness DR, +15 toughness would still be better by a decent margin

[spice veldt]

that's all about what I have to say, besides that if you wanted to take some points to spend elsewhere if you wanted to adjust your build, it'd be from your keystones and the upgrade nodes to Scrier's Gaze

[still hearth]

Meanwhile other classes get 75% DR and still get +5% toughness DR nodes

I think the most DR I managed to calculate on Zealot was 91% Toughness DR

[spice veldt]

i wonder what the max toughness that each class can get is

[full musk]

makes sense! really appreciate it. just glad the build i made wasn't completely off base lol

[astral oracle]

vanessa

now about bleed knife

[still hearth]

now about what

[astral oracle]

what if smite + bleed knife

[lethal lagoon]

@spice veldt Is toughness DR confirmed to be multiplicative though? Besides that, Are Toughness DR nodes additive with each other?

[obtuse moth]

theres a mod for that

[lethal lagoon]

I feel like the talent nodes are additive, it'd be weird if they wern't.

That means the math doesn't work.

[spice veldt]

confirmed by the word of crab #psyker-class message

the thing is that reductive effects would be insanely strong if they stacked additively

[lethal lagoon]

So if I take a 5% T Dr node its mutiplicative with another 5% toughness Dr node?

[astral oracle]

thanks crab

[spice veldt]

and would have a stronger effect that stacks up as you get more and more reductive effects that stack additively

[lethal lagoon]

No I agree, but it makes sense for toughness dr from the same source to be additive and multiplicative with other sources, but if it's confirmed, then sadge.

[spice veldt]

oh right

cuz nodes

yeah its a shame

[obtuse moth]

maybe intuitive sense, but system wise it makes sense if theyre all just multiplicative with each other imo

[lethal lagoon]

It's confusing if it's all multiplicative, they should just lower the nodes and make them additive instead.

[still hearth]

They don't even have to lower them

[lethal lagoon]

5% toughness DR nodes should be additive with the same nodes.

[still hearth]

5% isn't enough to matter even additively

[spice veldt]

yeah not the most intuitive thing

[lethal lagoon]

Even if it means it's 3% now or something

[summer prairie]

It barely matters, 0.95*0.95 is almost the same as 0.9

[still hearth]

If it was 3% additively that's worse than 5% multiplicative

[lethal lagoon]

Just an example lmao

[summer prairie]

DR is never going to be additive again

in any form

[obtuse moth]

yeah, two 5% DRs multiplied is still a 9.75% DR

[lethal lagoon]

Versus 11% effective health if additive

[summer prairie]

and having some forms of DR be additive and others multiplicative is more confusing (see V2)

[lethal lagoon]

I mean it's pennies but pennies add up cause there are other sources, plus base toughness dr

[obtuse moth]

count the same way when comparing...

[lethal lagoon]

I have no idea what you mean by 9.75% DR honestly. So I'm just using effective health.

Because that's the standard for armor math

[loud girder]

id assume this is trash right

actually i dont even know

what do you want on a knife stat wise

[royal falcon]

I think the general idea is for everything to be high but mobility

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah

[subtle flame]

what do you do for infinite surge build?

[royal falcon]

surge
middle tree capstone

that’s pretty much the gist of it

[obtuse moth]

the same thing you'd mean by 5% DR, but with 9.75% of it

[full musk]

what kind of curios do you generally want?

[royal falcon]

toughness regen, toughness%, gunner damage resist

maybe stamina if you’re running a build that’s expected to do a lot of blocking like deflector

[loud girder]

thats.. pretty good right

[obtuse moth]

gunner resist only affects the elites fwiw iirc, not sure if it even affects the shotgunner

[royal falcon]

ya

[lethal lagoon]

Sure, but effective health is used for comparing armor for a reason.

[loud girder]

i can buy it for 1505 of those weird currrerncy things

[royal falcon]

it does not, but gunners are still very much oppressive

[sleek marsh]

MelkCoin™️

[obtuse moth]

i like toughness regen speed, combat ability speed and ordo dockets personally

[loud girder]

not sure if this sword is worth it though even tho it looks really close to max

[royal falcon]

Can’t believe Melk is a cryptobro,,,,

[sleek marsh]

lol

[lethal lagoon]

I like sniper damage resistance, cause no ones perfect 😊

[spice veldt]

seems like a good option depending on what you'll use the sword for

[lethal lagoon]

Also I'm tired of rezzing stupid psykers who get hit by snipers 😡

[obtuse moth]

sniper is a good choice, and rez speed as well

[loud girder]

isnt devilclaw only for horde clear

[spice veldt]

not optimal, but t3 flak & t3 rampage is still pretty nice even if it's not t4 stuff

[royal falcon]

Mobility isn’t really that big of a deal compared to the other stats, rampage is cool and the perks are.. okay

[loud girder]

pretty much

i mean isnt this a giga horde clear weapon?..

[lethal lagoon]

Hey, has anyone been on the otherside of the Vet's Rez Ability, what does it look like?

[spice veldt]

I don't know the exact buffs that the dclaw got, but the damage it puts out is quite better now

[loud girder]

the thing is the currency is expensive

[obtuse moth]

stamina regen can be good too. all the regens are good. toughness % has higher value as a secondary than health %. better to put health on the primary if you want it

[loud girder]

i might be better off saving if this is not a god tier rweapon

[lethal lagoon]

3 Toughness % is basically a fourth curio bonus, which is nice to think about

[obtuse moth]

if its not a t4 blessing or godroll, save your melk bucks

[spice veldt]

hmm a dclaw parry oneshots a dreg gunner

very curious

[limber heath]

i'd honestly advise moving away from toughness regen speed. any damage completely stops the toughness regen for a time and most of your toughness will come from talents usually

[obtuse moth]

i definitely havent found that to be the case prepatch. havent tested post class update with different curios since all of my curios have it

[unique mist]

yeah psyker has so many abilities dedicated to toughness replenishment

which toughness regen does not help

[obtuse moth]

toughness regen double dips since it affects both delay and speed fwiw

[still hearth]

Yeah but it also only works in coherency and if you're already cozy with your buddies then you hopefully don't need it desperately

[cyan notch]

its pretty good

[obtuse moth]

all of a sudden you're already up

[lethal lagoon]

Psyker really doesn't need it though, makes more sense to buff all the toughness % perks by having more toughness in general.

[still hearth]

Especially since you can
checks note
get more than 20% toughness per kill with any warp weapon.

[cyan notch]

but since u get a ton of regen from 2.0 it doesnt really matter too much

but it was pretty good before with 90% regen

[lethal lagoon]

Is it clear the vet rezzed you or does it feel like it was a bug?

[obtuse moth]

some of my builds only have like one method of getting toughness lel and since im bored i also have ones that aren't using warp weapons

[still hearth]

How

Psyker has all their toughness regen nodes easily accessible

[loud girder]

hol up isnt this kinda good

[obtuse moth]

not putting points in it since im not using peril generating weapons in those builds?

[loud girder]

😐

thats a t1 though

[still hearth]

[cyan notch]

makes sense then if u dont take many toughness regen talents that toughness regen speed is good for you

thats the old school style

[obtuse moth]

not obvious unless no one was ressing, proximity isnt correct or its too fast. fwiw my discord is much louder than the game so im probably missing audio cues

[lethal lagoon]

Yeah, I'm just curious cause I had some weird moments using that ability, sometimes they didn't even realize they were up.

Nor did they ever notice I was saving them lmao

[cyan notch]

its like that with kruber res too u just go from horizontal to vertical immediately

[obtuse moth]

i didn't know my friend was using it for a few games tbh. i just assumed someone was ressing behind me that i didn't notice.

[potent echo]

precog or riposte?

[still hearth]

Both

[astral oracle]

both

[potent echo]

uncanny deleted?

[obtuse moth]

oh is that the meta build for dueling sword?

[astral oracle]

vanessa which purple do you run on rocks

[still hearth]

What the fak

[obtuse moth]

rampage isn't top tier anymore on dueling?

[astral oracle]

crystals

ASSAIL

[potent echo]

i dont use duelling for horde clear

[still hearth]

WHAT DO YOU MEAN PURPLE

[astral oracle]

but i call em rocks cause they're rocks

[still hearth]

USE YOUR WORDS

[potent echo]

maybe preog and riposte and unyielding

[astral oracle]

THE LAST KEYSTONE OF THE TALENT TREE

[still hearth]

But I run Warp Charges

Because EP is overrated

[astral oracle]

ur build hand it over

[potent echo]

this shall be my boss killer duel4

[astral oracle]

in excel spreadsheet form

[spice veldt]

you'll be feeling the lack of uncanny against crushers at least

[spice veldt]

i'd swap precog to uncanny and change flak to whatever

[still hearth]

Something like this

[potent echo]

precog sounds really good

or is riposte better

20% crit chance

oh but its 6s

[spice veldt]

my problem with precog is that it only lasts 2s

[astral oracle]

gonna shlurp up that build

[left turtle]

Zealot chat is being useless right now, does anyone know how crit interacts with the Eviscerator

[potent echo]

[spice veldt]

+60% is a sizeable bonus, but +120% rending on an easier condition is more worth it

and against a 6s +20% crit chance that is more likely to be active against stuff like crusher/mauler packs

[potent echo]

im thinking i scrap both and go full boss killer

precog and riposte

[still hearth]

I'd take true aim over warp rider though I just thought I had that one

[potent echo]

unyielding

[spice veldt]

true

[astral oracle]

gotcha ty booboo

[potent echo]

then i use trauma for crushers

ill kill them eventually

[left turtle]

since revving the eviscerator causes you to hit multiple times while its biting into the target, is the entire attack a crit or does each individual tick roll for critting

[plucky flax]

Riposte is good.

[spice veldt]

the only unfortunate thing is that duelling swords have <100% armour mods against unyielding

[potent echo]

unyielding maniac it is

ehhhhhh i alr have one uncanny stick

i'll try this one

[spice veldt]

true

the one i'm looking at has 246 to 328 damage

so 75% damage to unyielding

not terrible

[potent echo]

guess ill hit the meatgrind and test both

[obtuse moth]

if riposte is so good why don't you want shred?

[spice veldt]

both work, but riposte is already on there

[obtuse moth]

40% extra crit chance not worth?

[spice veldt]

oh together with it

[still hearth]

Not really

[elfin grail]

is any voidstrike better than another or just whatever suits what you want from it ?

[still hearth]

You want Warp Nexus and Surge for blessings

Basically always

[obtuse moth]

i think radius is still a dump stat

[still hearth]

Yes

It does nothing for the weapon

I mean right now the only thing you want from Voidstrike is the ability to delete whatever you point it at

[obtuse moth]

damage and charge rate are prolly priorities

[spice veldt]

i'd say suits whatever you want it

[still hearth]

If you want to run blazing then either Purgatus or Trauma are much better

[spice veldt]

but I do think that voidstrike does have very clear strengths that make it strictly better for the most part

so not "suuits whatever you want it" and just straight up better I suppose

[royal falcon]

voidstrike is just an insane projectile

shit got armor pen, cleave, some aoe, infinite ammo

[upper elk]

Came back after a few months because the update dropped, which psyker skills are good? Lightning, brain pop or shards?

[royal falcon]

yes

[upper elk]

Ah of course

[elfin grail]

assail is the hotness

if you are coming back for new

[upper elk]

Tasty

[spice veldt]

assail/shards would be my pick for most builds

[royal falcon]

They’re all good in their own rights

Brain burst is good for single target damage, smite is excellent for crowd control vs anything that isn’t a boss, and assail is…

[near wyvern]

now I know why brain rupture break points feel so off

[royal falcon]

assail is just boring op ima be real

[plucky flax]

Assail is main weapon. Sword and voistrike are back up.

[astral oracle]

vanessa spare some voidstrike crumbs please

for my not getting a good voidstrike staff having ass

[near wyvern]

kinetic presence doesn't affect specials, which causes brain ruptpure to not one shot flamers

if it did it would one shot them I think

[plucky flax]

It's okay assail and voidstrike nerf soon.

[near wyvern]

oh it would not but that would leave like 40hp

[upper elk]

Interesting, my thanks rejects

[near wyvern]

add in warp runner and there is the one shot

[potent echo]

both are similar 🤔

[icy moat]

Hey brainy boys. I'm hopping over from ogryn Town. Is the knifey psyker basically a crit build?

[astral oracle]

gasp a lost oggy

[spice veldt]

if you're going for the shards, then yeah I'd take the crit talents

[icy moat]

Okay, was just curious. My sparky friend tried it and I wanted to help him

So is there a particular gun that shines with the crit build?

Revolver?

Recon laser?

Or no

The little machine gun?

[summer prairie]

Very few people use guns currently

[icy moat]

Oh

Hmmm

[spice veldt]

vraks 3 headhunter, but this gun will shine regardless whether it's a crit build or not

[cobalt mauve]

do assail shards go where ur crosshair is? or straight rng

[spice veldt]

since it has the Headhunter blessing (+20% crit chance per stack; gain a stack on weakspot hit), and a crit is rolled per burst

[icy moat]

Oh

[spice veldt]

the shards lock onto the enemy that your cursor is on, if the shards are near a certain distance within the enemy

[icy moat]

Intresting

[wet belfry]

Actually never tried the vraks 3 on psyker.

[cobalt mauve]

even without aiming i mean

[wet belfry]

How good is it right now?

[spice veldt]

yeah, without the RMB

[cobalt mauve]

bet ty

[spice veldt]

just hovering your cursor over enemies will do it

[wet belfry]

Does vraks 3 deal well with specials?

[cobalt mauve]

gotcha yea it felt sorta like that but still lil wonky

[spice veldt]

without Ethereal Shards, Assail can hit up to two non-carapace targets reliable

with Ethereal Shards, the target count is bumped up to 3

[cobalt mauve]

i also feel like my assail isnt hitting hard. am lvl 14

[spice veldt]

so you can just wildly swipe your mouse like you're cleaning a window and you'll just hit targets

the strat with Assail is to spam it and hover over enemies

[icy moat]

I'll say, when I see those little things whipping around it reminds me of that little whistle dart from guardians of the galaxy

[lucid horizon]

does someone knows whats coming in the next update?

[unique mist]

more aquilas for xbox

[cobalt mauve]

any key talents i need? im finding sometimes i run out of shards if i spam or they just dont kill quick enough

[plucky flax]

Servers shut down its been so shit.

So much dc happening.

[spice veldt]

it deals notably less damage against maniacs but practically guaranteed crits along with +100% critical weakspot damage does pretty well

[unique mist]

could try for Warp Rider

[icy moat]

Is it worth it to go for peril restaurants

*resistance

[cobalt mauve]

lvl 14 cant even get there yet

[wet belfry]

Ill likely test it when i have time, the plasteel.

[cobalt mauve]

also how come i see alot of builds take shriek with assail?

[astral oracle]

take what

you can't take shriek with asasil

[cobalt mauve]

venting shriek

[kind jay]

prevent exploding

[astral oracle]

wait

[spice veldt]

you can if you go through mind in motion

[icy moat]

Does the shriek remove peril?

[astral oracle]

oh wait yeah

[unique mist]

you can

[astral oracle]

no im dumb

sorry

[plucky flax]

You can but why would you. I've never seen a shriek assail gamer.

[astral oracle]

shriek is ability

not blitz

me stupid

[astral oracle]

cause people don't know how to not explode

[unique mist]

this is what i'd run at lvl 14 but others might have better suggestions

[wet belfry]

I uh actually use that

Soulblaze from shriek strong.

[astral oracle]

im sorry for your loss

[unique mist]

assail kills plenty fast on its own

[plucky flax]

It's okay you are not top 1% psyker.

[cobalt mauve]

is what im using

[spice veldt]

i'd run assail + shriek if I weren't greedy for some of the things on the right side

since assail + shriek sounds pretty relaxing

[cobalt mauve]

i swear its not killing fast enough in malice but idk

[vale yacht]

anyone getting a glitch with the warp lighting?

[unique mist]

like what

[astral oracle]

if it's not killing fast enough in malice i unno what to tell you

cause it's killing fast enough in heresy

[potent echo]

its definitely killing everything in damnation

[summer prairie]

Shriek assail is the strongest build

[unique mist]

yeah

[plucky flax]

Assail gamer in hardest modifier
https://youtu.be/Tv82gJBhZyo

[cobalt mauve]

also talking about a sitiuation where 3 of my teamates were dead and a horde was there

[plucky flax]

Just sit back and left click.

[astral oracle]

did you make a fucking assail montage

[unique mist]

fidget spinning

[spice veldt]

the crit talents + crit aura + empathic evasion

[dim parrot]

same ^^

[potent echo]

why is your charge bar flashing

[plucky flax]

Nah it was just a semi hard game. 2 guys were sus so the zealot and I had to do most works.

[spice veldt]

and the node into crit aura is +toughness DR rather than +toughness replenishment which only seems to affect coherency regen

[summer prairie]

The alternatives don't compare to AB every 11-21s

[cobalt mauve]

ur talking about the build in the vid?

[spice veldt]

nah as a response to sentarius

[plucky flax]

Charge bar what do you mean?

[icy moat]

Alright, thanks for the tips guys. I'm heading back to Oggy Town now. I'll tell my friend these tips

[potent echo]

viod staff

[astral oracle]

its the dynamic crosshair mod

i believe

[plucky flax]

Void is used only 5% of the map.

[potent echo]

yea but like why

[plucky flax]

Aaah it's the cross hair recolour.

[astral oracle]

point at enemy, changes color

point at allies, changes color

[plucky flax]

^

[potent echo]

oh

[astral oracle]

basically like how it works in most fps games