psyker-class

[keen harbor]

reaper, maybe? crusher is a definite nope

[fresh reef]

2 full hp chaos spawn
what the fuck man

[keen harbor]

that's auric for ya

[narrow crane]

Auric rocks lmao

[raw tangle]

Id take them over swarm of hounds 😂

[potent moss]

Auric always gives me plague ogryn/beast combo

Err maelstrom

[fresh reef]

the run was going so well too

but the director just said no

[raw tangle]

I feel that

[potent moss]

Don't kill specials. No bosses. Big brain

[fresh reef]

walk into standard damnation
2 sub level 30 psykers, both running assail
ugh

[keen harbor]

as long as they are carrying their weight

[potent moss]

I have never not had to pull sub level 30 players off the floor constantly in damnation

[acoustic spade]

I was just testing this talent node in Psykhanium and it didnt trigger for me at all while I was running my Soulblaze loadout, but when I'm running my non-Soulblaze loadout it does trigger

[fresh reef]

oh no I'm certain I'd be pulling them off the floor

it's just that they're going to somehow manage to murk hordes effortlessly

[acoustic spade]

Is this talent somehow blocking the Battle Meditation procs?

[potent moss]

Honestly I'm fine with it most of the time but two assail psykers? I'd be very concerned

Psyker is a wet napkin in damnation

[tepid remnant]

What's the build for assail right now?
Seeing a lot of different builds but mostly surge assail right now.

[fresh reef]

my point

they'd be being downed constantly, while still killing the horde

[keen harbor]

They'll learn eventually, hopefully

it's the first weekend since patch rolled out, so I expect this weekend (which is thankfully ending already) to be a total shit show

[cold oasis]

Ok i give up on Scrier's Gaze and Disrupt Destiny, they are both utter shit

[north solstice]

scriers gaze is fun wdym

[cold oasis]

Scrier Gaze only real use is a dps pump during shitty hordes

[meager plinth]

anything that Assail cannot deal well like Ogryns and Bosses

[north solstice]

disrupt dest is not fun tbh

[sullen bobcat]

Gaze is great for crit builds

[cold oasis]

and Disrupt Destiny is just a bugged mess

It only procs on ranged enemies

And since everyone sees them, good fucking luck keeping more than 1 stack up

[acoustic spade]

Ive yet to try Empowered Psionics myself, I like my Warp Charges too much

[cold oasis]

EP is really good for BB (and bugged for smite)

[sullen bobcat]

Empowered psionics is good

[maiden hornet]

still waiting for them to fix that smite bug so i can test how Smite works with empowered psionics

[cold oasis]

Destiny is just trash

[left turtle]

ive been using empowered psuonics, i like it much more than warp charge

[sullen bobcat]

It just shifts you to more blitz though

[cold oasis]

There's nothing good about it

The stacks are so rare due to them being ranged enemies only

you're rarely at more than 5

[left turtle]

im always consuming my warp charges from using my bubble to stop my team from getting peppered by the 14 Scab gunners

[cold oasis]

Scrier's Gaze could be decent, but in reality it's only useful if you use 0 Peril

And even then, the only way to stack it up is just going full melee

[sullen bobcat]

Nah. I run a high peril crit voidstrike with gaze

You have to really micro manage

[meager plinth]

40% damage and 30% finess is nothing to scoff at and its fairly easy to constantly get

[acoustic spade]

My friend keeps telling me how overpowered smite is even though he doesnt even run Empowered Psionics, cause he apparently frequently gets to cast smite without it giving him any peril at all

[maiden hornet]

they should make the whole warp charge reduce ability cooldown into a talent on their own rather than having it by default

[sullen bobcat]

That only happens with EP

[cold oasis]

^

[acoustic spade]

he uses Warp Charges, same as me, but still gets it

[cold oasis]

100% he doesn't.

[maiden hornet]

doesn't smite generate a lot of peril by default?

[sullen bobcat]

That's not what's causing infinite smite

[sullen bobcat]

Yes

[acoustic spade]

When I play Smite Psyker with him I need to constantly quell peril if I need to keep doing it for long periods of time

[cold oasis]

Honestly, i've realized that it's better just using Right click with smite

[maiden hornet]

even with 6 stacks of warp charge reducing the peril it is still a lot of peril

[cold oasis]

(unless you use the bugged EP)

[sullen bobcat]

Left click is straight garbage

A gunner won't die from the time you hit 100 peril with the left click

[maiden hornet]

i wish left click smite gives it more damage so the two are more distinct from one another

[keen harbor]

Bugged Smite feels so dirty

[fluid terrace]

it appears to be green

[sullen bobcat]

I don't use any of the bugged bullshit because it's a crutch that'll be removed

[ornate hamlet]

What do I do with this unrolled/modified sword?

[outer wren]

What Staff would you guys run with a Smite Build (Pretend Psionics doesnt give Infinite Smite)

[acoustic spade]

I've seen him get it on Discord stream, and he is very certainly running Warp Charges

[potent moss]

I played with someone named Palpatine who literally only used smite the entire run

[maiden hornet]

i like the surge staff

[raw token]

i run trauma with smite

[sullen bobcat]

I'd swap glthe melee damage on pox to maniac damage

[maiden hornet]

for maximum lightning

[sullen bobcat]

Uncanny strike is really good

[ornate hamlet]

blessings? Crit dmg?

[outer wren]

I guess my question boils down to do I want single target or aoe damage on my staff

[acoustic spade]

Then again, he also uses the Dome shield, maybe that bugs smite as well?

[sullen bobcat]

I personally run uncanny + deflect, but deflect is more of a personal choice

[ornate hamlet]

SHould mention that this is a horde killer with scriers gaze.

[raw token]

trauma is both thats why i use it

[sullen bobcat]

Run void and get both 😎

[ornate hamlet]

(cuz you get a lotta headshots, which is what you want)

[sullen bobcat]

Don't use deimos for horde clear

[keen harbor]

You want a combination of Horde clearing, Elite/special clearing, and Monster/ogryn clearing

[sullen bobcat]

Use illsi

[outer wren]

not sure if I have a preference between the 2 hmmm

[maiden hornet]

but when you run void you kind of nullify the need for smite imo since you just clear out horde so effectively

[raw token]

theyre both S tier

[outer wren]

My goal is to CC hordes

I just want to not hate my life when a single tanky thing shows up

[keen harbor]

Deimos is suited for elites/special/ogryn/boss

Illis is suited for horde, but can do elite and special

[acoustic spade]

I mainly use Smite for Hounds/Houndpacks and when that 6x Crusher+3x Bulwark ball shows up

Otherwise I do voidstrike hordes

[keen harbor]

and then there is voidstrike, which does everything

[maiden hornet]

been using that thing before it was cool lol

[outer wren]

is there any peril difference between Void staff and Trauma?

[maiden hornet]

yeah I think i generally want to rely on smite way too much even though I shouldn't

[outer wren]

or like, blessing differences?

[ornate hamlet]

you need a horde clear sword

[keen harbor]

void and trauma have similar peril generation and blessings, I thought?

[ornate hamlet]

for scriers gaze

you want a gun for single target

[raw token]

i like to run trauma with smite because its a supporting build, so i use rending shockwave which really helps the team clear while i stun everything

[outer wren]

Rending Shockwave
Target receives up to 2-8 Stacks of 5% Brittleness, scaling with charge time of Secondary Attack. Lasts 5s.
This?

[acoustic spade]

Yeah Battle Meditation just does NOT proc if the build already has In Fire Reborn in it

[raw token]

yep

[royal falcon]

purgatus + smite

[wary quest]

If I have Toughness Regeneration Speed and Damage Resistance (Snipers) on my curios, does anyone have a good idea for what the last slot should be?

[royal falcon]

uh

Toughness%? Block efficiency?

[harsh urchin]

DR gunners is always nice

[royal falcon]

that too

[keen harbor]

block efficiency is garbage, I thought

[harsh urchin]

It is

[acoustic spade]

depends what you do, I like to run Deflect Fsword with Kinetic Deflection so Block Efficiency is something i value highly in my curios

[wary quest]

Right, I have that sword combo

But I don't think I really get my block broken

[keen harbor]

only time I have block broken is from DH

[wary quest]

I'm running Smite / Assail / Illisi for what it's worth

[harsh urchin]

You simply get more value from flat +stamina or stamina regen due to the way block efficiency is calculated in this game

[outer wren]

so youd do a circle and then swap to smite?

[wary quest]

👆

[keen harbor]

or I ran out of stamina running to block a pox burster

[harsh urchin]

So block eff is a dead stat

[keen harbor]

by block pox burster, I mean push it

[raw token]

well i smite most of the time and when anything tanky comes along i apply brittle and go back to smiting pretty much, pull out the melee whenever i need to defend myself

[acoustic spade]

+Stamina is largely irrelevant with Kinetic Deflection

[wary quest]

Is there any point to running more Health%? Is stamina or gunner res better?

[outer wren]

as in do one secdonary attack and go back to smite?

[harsh urchin]

You use stamina for moving around and pushing

Very rarely for blocking lol

[raw token]

yeah or multiple if there are a lot of elites that one wont hit them all

[vague pasture]

need a good psy build

[keen harbor]

Stamina regen, toughness regen, and ability cooldown aren't particularly good. So you end up with +HP, +toughness, or +resistance

[harsh urchin]

You very rarely ever need to block, and even without KD blocking isnt a huhe problem

[outer wren]

Rending Shockwave and Focused Channeling? Or Warp Flurry?

Ideally I mean

[harsh urchin]

You just very rarely run out due to the ability to dodge slide

[raw token]

i use warp flurry

[wary quest]

Hmm. Health pool is nice. Gunners are sometimes problematic...

[raw token]

but focused might fit the build more

[cedar zenith]

What modifiers are important on a surge staff?

[keen harbor]

BTW, in this patch, it feels like I have enough HP. Before you used to only get 80ish to work off of

[acoustic spade]

I run Deflect Fsword so I am basically a Diet Ogryn, I can just walk up to reapers/gunners who are shooting at me :P

[kindred hill]

There is a perk called warp rider. It is above the middle bottom psyonics. It is increasing the incoming damage to me? from all sources by 20% ? Or the talent explanation is wrong?

[keen harbor]

So 1x 20% HP curio, and then do +5% toughness perks on all 3 curios, IMO

[wary quest]

I really have liked HP since I've started running it

Nice combo with the multiple toughness buffers too

Very tempted to just buff it further

[keen harbor]

The +17% toughness curio would be nice, but I run +3 stamina so I can run around

[outer wren]

Whats the difference between left and right click Smite?

beyond the charge up

[keen harbor]

left only does up to 4? targets, while right is infinite

[harsh urchin]

Well, once you get to higher difficulties, you'll find that "tanking" isnt really a thing

And its much more efficient to just kill threats

[keen harbor]

left doesn't cause massive FPS drops, while right will tank FPS to single digits with a large enough horde

[potent moss]

Left sounds like a shitty surge staff

[keen harbor]

it is, there's no point using left click smite

[outer wren]

I mean left click is near instant vs right clicks charge up right?

so if timing matters I could see left click

[keen harbor]

but it charges up in one or two dodges?

[potent moss]

Well maybe if you're stopping your friend from getting overheaded

I definitely panick surge save my friends all the timr

[outer wren]

an oh shit button is better than a no shit button xD

[woven pumice]

back dodgeslide feels so good

[outer wren]

I need more opinions. If Im running Trauma staff as a support build with Rending Shockwave, would Focused Channeling or Warp Flurry be better?

[potent moss]

How good are you at dodging

[outer wren]

That depends

can I see what I need to dodge lol

[acoustic spade]

Its not that I do it often, sometimes its just needed in Heresy+ . Below Heresy a Veteran can tank a gunner or a Reaper for a long enough time to shoot them without an issue

[maiden hornet]

Dodging mutant is always so inconsistent for me

[raw token]

you can come to a conclusion on your own, would you want very slightler faster charges, or easier peril management

[outer wren]

Peril management???

[woven pumice]

dodging mutant feels a lot easier to you dodge into slide

[outer wren]

wut

[woven pumice]

rather than trying to double dodge

[raw token]

sorry i was thinking of the wrong one

[outer wren]

ah

[raw token]

i would definitely not take focused

[maiden hornet]

I always just do one dodge ffs

[acoustic spade]

but Heresy and Above we've found it better to let the Vet charge his helbore while a Psyker is blocking all the shots

[outer wren]

Im guessing it boils down to "get gud"

[woven pumice]

highly recommend making dodgesliding a habit

[tawdry raptor]

Left click or right click for smite? I genuinely can't see a difference

[outer wren]

#psyker-class message

[woven pumice]

covers a lot more distance and extends dodge duration by quite a bit

[raw token]

i just find it very rare to get hit while charging

[tawdry raptor]

Cheers

[maiden hornet]

My fingers find it hard to do because unless I bind slide to another key bind

[outer wren]

I just asked the same thing xD

[woven pumice]

I just have default binds

space to dodge ctrl to crouch and slide

[acoustic spade]

Most of the time I get caught out of a dodge I've accidentally jumped and not dodged

[woven pumice]

if you need to rebind, try it out I'd say it's worth it

[maiden hornet]

I have dodge on shift because it is what I always used on vermintide lol

[woven pumice]

shift ctrl does sound a lot more awkward 😭

[maiden hornet]

It is lol

[acoustic spade]

I have Crouch on Mouse4 because thats where I bound it in Warframe

for Bulletjumping

[outer wren]

C crouch masterrace

[potent moss]

This game needs double binding

[acoustic spade]

I wish there was a separate button for Hold Crouch and Toggle Crouch

I'm so used to having C as toggle crouch in other FPS games I play

[inner remnant]

Numpad 9 Crouching Master race even masterer

[maiden hornet]

Wtf

[acoustic spade]

Lefty player?

[outer wren]

HERETIC

[maiden hornet]

That’s a mutant right there inquisitor!

[honest field]

You can unless you're talking about something different. Options -> Input -> set "Hold to Crouch" to off.

[outer wren]

Im just imagining normal WASD and then a right hand on num 9 for crouch like wut

[woven pumice]

don't think dodgeslide was in training whatsoever

[acoustic spade]

I want to have Hold to Crouch in a separate button and Toggle Crouch in a separate button

[woven pumice]

but it's so useful I can't stop spamming it 😭

I just thought you could only slide forward out of sprint

sliding backwards out of dodge goes crazy

im untouchable

[acoustic spade]

dodge slide just goes against my muscle memory of bullet jumping from Warframe ( Bulletjump = crouch->jump )

[outer wren]

so if Im running Smite, Trauma Staff for support, what would I want for my melee?

horde clear? single target?

Trauma is kinda aoe and single target right?

[steel flame]

Try deimos or Mk4 dueling saber

For the carapace stuff

[outer wren]

I dont think Ive used Deimos before

what Blessings?

[acoustic spade]

The slide keybind just doesnt work at all :<

Atleast I couldnt get it work, both from fullsprint and after dodge

[woven pumice]

ig it's just crouch keybind

[outer wren]

Afaik game doesnt unbind other things that have the same key

make sure 2 keys arent bound to the same thing

[acoustic spade]

I did

[outer wren]

k

[acoustic spade]

I moved Crouch to C for testing

But the Slide keybind just doesnt seem to do anything

[potent moss]

24% rending excuse me wtf

[kindred hill]

There is a perk called warp rider. It is above the middle bottom psyonics. It is increasing the incoming damage to me? from all sources by 20% ? Or the talent explanation is wrong?

[outer wren]

what would you do instead?

[woven pumice]

increases your damage dealt

[viscid matrix]

rending is probably BIS for melee weapons, cause that is how you kill crushers and maulers quikcly

[woven pumice]

not taken

[potent moss]

I'm in awe

[kindred hill]

Thanks. Just the explanation is confusing.

[viscid matrix]

im using this myself
got bored of the Illisi

[potent moss]

... how are people getting double 4 blessing raw rolls

[woven pumice]

what does rending acc do

[plucky token]

Pray to RNGesus

[viscid matrix]

luck

[acoustic spade]

doing dodge slide with Hold to Crouch off is cursed, you just become crab after slide

[spice veldt]

#zealot-class message

[viscid matrix]

rending is downright amazing for any enemies using armour, only thing its not useful for is the monstrocities

[outer wren]

was gonna do this

[potent moss]

Rending is stupid strong now

[woven pumice]

cheers

[royal falcon]

they should make an armored monstrosity

[viscid matrix]

fairly sure Monstrocities are unyielding, but i might be wrong

[potent moss]

Didn't beta have an armored chaos spawn or something

[royal falcon]

they're unyielding yeah

[tiny plank]

yo where do i report a bug for this class?

[plucky token]

This is the kind of crap Fatshark needs to cut it out with. How is a new player supposed to know that?

[outer wren]

They just need a glossary explaining all of the terms

it shouldnt be that hard

I mean all of the functions have to exist to begin with right???

so shouldnt how they work also exist

[royal falcon]

yeah but

[potent moss]

This is fatshark....

[outer wren]

too fat huh :3

[royal falcon]

does fatshark really even explain what anything is

[potent moss]

No lol

[woven pumice]

in general psykhanium shows enemy type but monstrosities aren't in there

[viscid matrix]

nope

[sterile saddle]

yes

[ornate hamlet]

Are we ready for memes?

[royal falcon]

it took me an embarassing amount of time trying to discern what enemies have what armor types where before giving up and looking it up

[cold oasis]

Meh, no, even with a full on Voidstrike build, Scrier Gaze is just shit

[spice veldt]

have a programming degree to read the code to understand what rending is

[potent moss]

Negative dodge distance

[cold oasis]

the damage you get is honestly useless

[viscid matrix]

ohh thats easy, go to the Psykanium Meatgrinder and hit enemies

[sterile saddle]

scriers would be good if you could use purge with it

[ornate hamlet]

1200 damage with an infantry lasgun is not shit.

[sterile saddle]

cause it would be super synergistic

[royal falcon]

it took me less time and effort to just look it up

I honestly don't bother with the meatgrinder at all

[plucky token]

Scrier's Gaze you need to use a gun with to get any use out of it.

[acoustic spade]

I probably spend mroe time in the Meatgrinder than I spend in missions

[cold oasis]

Yeah, good luck keeping the higher buff up with Lasgun anyway

[ornate hamlet]

Or voidstrike staff

[ornate hamlet]

I do.

[sterile saddle]

11a w/rending? i personally am a huge fan of it

super stable and pumps out rounds

[cold oasis]

Cool man.

[ornate hamlet]

@sterile saddle

[sterile saddle]

is no respite gud?

always hard to setup a staggeri feel like

[ornate hamlet]

Everyone staggers.

[sterile saddle]

yeah but its unreliable

[ornate hamlet]

And when you're shooting ragers, it totally is

[sterile saddle]

have u seen the math in staggering enemies?

[ornate hamlet]

And thats the damage I was measuring.

Cuz you can never kill one in one shot.

[sterile saddle]

the checks are absurd

[plucky token]

Does Smite electrocuting count as a stagger?

[ornate hamlet]

Yes

[plucky token]

oo yeah

[sterile saddle]

anything that causes an enemy to pause is a stagger

[outer wren]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

[woven pumice]

trauma staff doesn't care about math 👴

[plucky token]

[outer wren]

See Im trying to make a smite build

but like without bugged Psionics lol

[plucky token]

Have you tried using Warp CHarges with - Peril Gen + DMG and Vampire perk?

[outer wren]

Vampire?

[plucky token]

I forget the perks name its vampiric something. Makes it so teammates can give you charges too

[outer wren]

ah

thought you meant something else

[full egret]

I hear people talking about duelist swords, whats making them good right now

[outer wren]

thats what I was going for tbh

[plucky token]

ty

[outer wren]

ending up with like 50% peril reduction

[woven pumice]

mk4 heavy attacks I believe

[sterile saddle]

there are three stages of stagger.. sort of. 'pause' 'stumble step' and 'trip' but on top of that there are also stagger times (within each of the stages) depending on ur stagger.. On top of armor type and weapon types effect each armor type and weapon type differently.. on top of light attack and heavy attack affecting each stage differently.. On top of each perk and the stats that they provide affect differently (some perks, ignoring mass or removing armor, can render your stagger on your weapon useless) cause it requires a specific armor type..

[spice veldt]

mk4 duelling sword in particular got its attacks buffed

[spice veldt]

here's a comparison between the deimos h2 and mk4 duelling heavies #psyker-class message

[full egret]

oh wow, 861 weakspot damage

[sterile saddle]

You gotta nail weakshots tho

[outer wren]

but dueling isnt a force sword ;-;

[sterile saddle]

i'm filthy trash, so I just use an axe

[plucky token]

I use the Chainsword. BRRRRRRRRR

[sterile saddle]

nice

[full egret]

that is funny that it hits harder than the diemos blaze

[sterile saddle]

chainsword is pretty sexy

[outer wren]

I just like using Peril lol

[full egret]

i might give it a shot lol

[outer wren]

Im a mage damnit lemme use 40ks version of mana

[inner remnant]

you cannot even fathom my power

[sterile saddle]

You are

[woven pumice]

dueling sword poking shit in the helmet stagger is pretty funny at least

[full egret]

lemme guess, uncanny strike and shred are meta blessings?

[maiden hornet]

i find deimos' attack chain pretty weird to use. Are you suppose to just heavy chain for elites?

[sterile saddle]

uncanny and rending

[spice veldt]

my recommendations for the mk4 DS #psyker-class message

[full egret]

rending isnt a blessing

[sterile saddle]

or wait

uncanny is the dueling rending right?

[woven pumice]

deimos light attack chain is pretty similar to dueling swords

[sterile saddle]

usually people grab a power booster

[plucky token]

That clip of the guy stunlocking lik 6 Chaos Ogryns by poking them in the eyes one after the other lol

[woven pumice]

havent seen 😭

[full egret]

no power booster on dueling swords

[sterile saddle]

noidea then

finesse dmg?

boosts weapon dmg like 60%

[spice veldt]

precog lasts too short for me to like it

and it's +60% weakspot & crit damage

[potent moss]

Precog keeps showing up on my swords and ruining my day

[full egret]

yeah, 2 seconds after a dodge is pretty much one hit right

[woven pumice]

doesn't it work on dodges from empathic evasion

[ornate hamlet]

Help I got bored with psyker and now I dunno what to do

[potent moss]

Smash heads with ogryn

[ornate hamlet]

Ogyrn is the only class I don't enjoy

[silent forge]

when this happens you eat the skin inside of ur mouth and anxiously await psykers impending nerf

[outer wren]

Spam Chorus with Zealot

[silent forge]

that is all we can do

[ornate hamlet]

Maybe ill do max speed zealot w/ knife

[outer wren]

Youll be just as bored
Dying 5 miles away from your team and being cuffed isnt fun :3

[neat summit]

Ah yes. The race to the fastest death

[ornate hamlet]

I dunno zealot is the easiest solo but also I only played it with thammer

Maybe fastest zealot with a heavy sword

Should be more doable

[potent moss]

Heavy sword feels so good now

[outer wren]

Id love feedback on this build https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a52ef6f-d048-4c6c-ad31-64d916260bca

Idk what to do with the last point or curios

[upper galleon]

i got a blazing shred illisi

time to meme

[plucky token]

Yeah once I get my Psyker to 30 I'm def making a Zealot.

Which Zealot personality is the best one for Female?

For Psyker it's the russian one

thats talks shit

[woven pumice]

what does brittleness do 😭

[azure karma]

what are best blessings for duelling sword

[true lake]

brittleness i think makes armor less effective on enemies so basically you do more damage

[woven pumice]

same thing as rending?

[outer wren]

Rending is do more damage to armor, Brittleness is ignoring armor afaik

[woven pumice]

damn 👩‍🦲

[plucky token]

Once again, Fatshark adding unnecessary modifiers to confuse you.

[ornate hamlet]

The only thing I'm not used to on zealot using the heavy sword is that big guys take quite a few hits to kill

[true lake]

would be fine if they described effects

[outer wren]

Not really

the math can be different between the 2

[woven pumice]

rending shockwave trauma staff gonna go crazy

[true lake]

they describe weapons and their attack patterns and all that but kinda annoying to not know what certain buffs/debuffs do

[potent moss]

They made rending way more straight forward

[outer wren]

+10% damage is not the same thing as ignoring armors damage reduction

[woven pumice]

sounds like ignoring armour is better

[wicked crown]

rending is you have armour peircing, brittleness is the enemy has less armour (they function the same)

[woven pumice]

considering most weapons have much lower damage against armour

[outer wren]

except they dont

when you do maff

[potent moss]

Brittleness affects allies too right?

Like they get the benefit

[austere estuary]

yes

[wicked crown]

yeah they effectively get rending against that target

[austere estuary]

brittleness is an effect on the target, rending is a buff on you

usually

[woven pumice]

perfect

[outer wren]

100 damage +10% Rending = 110 Damage
100 damage * 50% Brittle Stripped Armor = 200 Damage, not 150 (as a basic example)

[ornate hamlet]

Ima play vet with a plasma rifle

It's been forever since I've touched it

Wonder if it got a buff

[royal falcon]

found this in the armory, thoughts?

[potent moss]

If you literally don't have a surge staff

[viscid matrix]

its one of the best weapons, if you are good at reload cancel to speed up reloading

[royal falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[polar zenith]

Are the toughness regen on crit/warp damage on crit only good if you have +crit % and warp nexus rolled on a staff?

[viscid matrix]

both work with Assail too

[polar zenith]

Aha gotcha

[upper galleon]

ehh assial only has base crit cahnce

and 5% from tree

[viscid matrix]

you can get crit from this too

[woven pumice]

considering you get so many hits, it's enough

[viscid matrix]

crit from true aim, means every 2nd assail will crit minimum

[upper galleon]

only right clicks go for weakspots, left clicks just hit whatever they hit

[frail musk]

Anyone got a smite build

[upper galleon]

also can't really go that and EP in my build

(plus i'd be wasting a point on the obv made for deflector talent

[knotty mist]

is the talent empowered psionics bugged foir smite?

im getting 100% peril cost reduction but it doesnt say in the description

[dire smelt]

[outer wren]

yep

[upper galleon]

yee

[outer wren]

either that or its missing from the desc, which do you think is more likely?

[upper galleon]

i'd have to take off empathetic evasion which I'd rather have for crits

[outer wren]

Could anyone give me talent and curio advice?

https://darktide.gameslantern.com/build-editor?id=9a52ef6f-d048-4c6c-ad31-64d916260bca

god I hate that embed

[viscid matrix]

i go full hp and toughness regen on every one of my curios

[restive slate]

Ew games lantern hahaha

[outer wren]

Im not taking 3 freaking pics to share my build lol

[upper galleon]

ehh toughness regen is.. meh? idk, only affects coherency so i'd rather just get 5% flat toughness

[knotty mist]

i think its missing from the description czu the other two all have 100% reduction

[outer wren]

I will laugh my ass off if thats correct

hell if its a simple missing description Id think the devs wouldve said so by now

[upper galleon]

cause flat toughness increases how much your talents regen for since they are all % based and helps vs stalkers and shotgunners

[viscid matrix]

if you dont go % toughness curios the 3 5% give less than 10 toughness

[upper galleon]

I run 2x toughness 1x hp

[outer wren]

other issue is I have one more talent point and when I look at every option they all suck lol

[viscid matrix]

i prefer my 105 toughness and 278 HP

[upper galleon]

toughness just feels better when you get good at targetting flamers and bombers and hopefully your team doesn't fuck you over with bursters

[outer wren]

I am so confidant at dealing with bursters

[upper galleon]

I am too

i'm not confident in my team

[steel flame]

I always prefer toughness especially now that they made the wise decision of letting us have every tough Regen under the sun

[outer wren]

then a teammate shoots it while Im walking up to boop it

AGHHH

[viscid matrix]

i prefer hp so a empowerd mutie doesnt insta down me if it grabs me and slams me into ground

[buoyant ibex]

get to a wall

[knotty mist]

as a vermintide player i usually go for hp/dmg reduction vs gunners + stamina regen + block cost

especially on higher diff block cost helps a ton with monsters and heavy hitters

[stable silo]

wtf is this

[sterile saddle]

wow

thats smexy

[round epoch]

Can someone send me a smite build?

[viscid matrix]

oof rip shredder modifier

[viscid matrix]

https://discord.com/channels/727074276724965407/1158835513789272126

[round epoch]

Thanks!

[stable silo]

if only shredder was swapped with mobility and it had better perks and better blessings rofl if only

[sterile saddle]

did they add the audio ques for combat?

cause maybe I just got a little better, but they are awesome

and they save my life like 8 times a match

[royal falcon]

combat's been had audio cues

[sterile saddle]

I guess I just never listened

[sterile saddle]

it's redefined my combat tho

i can turn around and block cuz i here 'woosh' sounds

and i dont go down as often

[royal falcon]

did you get headphones recently by chance

[sterile saddle]

no

honestly just never heard it b4

[viscid matrix]

did you have your volume change up from what you had it before?

[sterile saddle]

i actually lowered the music

cuz i was in doscord

[viscid matrix]

music is the best part of the game tbh, its hard to not turn it up

[royal falcon]

you LOWERED THE MUSIC??

[sterile saddle]

only a little

[royal falcon]

sinful

[sterile saddle]

like.. 80%

but now i hear other sounds lol

[viscid matrix]

okay that makes sense, guess you were blasting the music before 😄

[sterile saddle]

Oh yeah dude

my sound is pumping. Those boss fights change my reality

it's like.. "OH SHIIIIT"

[reef island]

could this be useful as psyker? I havent used autopistol as one yet

[sterile saddle]

I saw a cool perk for the auto pistol

works against suppressed enemies

[royal falcon]

it's nice that hounds are less bullshit now

[sterile saddle]

hounds are still pretty nuts

whoever designed the moveset is crazy

just start screaming and run into it swinging and dodging left and right

when it works it's awesome

blocking and dodging and chopping

[royal falcon]

their stagger animations though

oooohhhh I hate their stagger animations

[sterile saddle]

the 180 degree slide?

[royal falcon]

just the fact that their stagger moves them a fair distance

makes followup attacks difficult

then again I guess them being hard to hit is part of their schtick

[sterile saddle]

yeah

[royal falcon]

oh well, aint nothin some smite gaming can't fix

[opaque tulip]

How do I do the Warp Battery Penance? What are warp charges?

[viscid matrix]

bottom left of the tree for warp charges

dont use your ability at all since it comsumes warp charges when you have them active

[opaque tulip]

Oh. So basically, I need to hit level 20-30 before I can do that penance

[viscid matrix]

yeh

[opaque tulip]

And even then, that sounds… tricky

[viscid matrix]

its easier the higher you go in dificulty, Auric and normal damnation has so many specialists/elites you can maintain it easily

[opaque tulip]

I can’t even complete a single heresy difficulty yet

I don’t need the Warp Battery talent do I?

[viscid matrix]

you need it for that particular pennance, but otherwise no

[zinc phoenix]

That penance was bad enough in the old system, I shudder at how people will do it in the new one 😂

[austere burrow]

Probably just getting carried

[royal falcon]

some penances flat out don't work in the new system so like

[viscid matrix]

some of them are way easier now than before, pushing 20 enemies of a cliff or 5 elties in 10 seconds was difficult

[bold flint]

the thinking of some of these people man

im at the assassination target and im mowing down all the poxwalkers with my purgatus

and this dude is zapping away at them with me with his surge staff

as if that does anything

[zinc phoenix]

He’s helping!

[unreal tapir]

let him do his job, like giving an unplugged controller to a younger sibling

[zinc phoenix]

I mean yes he could help more by meleeing the boss but 😂

[viscid matrix]

uhh surge staff is probaly his better choice for hitting a poxburster

its quick and does decent damage

[bold flint]

poxwalkers are not poxbursters

@near bluff

[viscid matrix]

if you are talking about the guys that run at you and explode, they are poxbursters

[bold flint]

im clearly not

[near bluff]

sorted

[bold flint]

👍

[viscid matrix]

looks like the Devs call them poxbursters in the patchnotes

[rigid blade]

Hey @steel flame ya able to send that surge build?

[steel flame]

Still at work

[bold flint]

i dont think you understand

theres two types of horde basic enemy

[steel flame]

Nother hour probably

[zinc phoenix]

😂

[bold flint]

ones infested and ones unarmored

[lethal folio]

Poxwalker bombers

[zinc phoenix]

This is a pretty funny miscommunication

[rigid blade]

Take your time.

[bold flint]

the infested horde enemies are called poxwalkers

[lethal folio]

They are poxwalkers that go burst.

Hence poxburster

[fresh reef]

just discovered that nurgle blessed mutants ignore shield stun

thankfully they don't infinitely pin you anymore or I'd be fucked lmao

[bold flint]

only misunderstandings in this neighbourhood

[steel flame]

Well at least we can all agree that the best way to deal with poxbursters is clearly pushing them away with laspistol force push

[zinc phoenix]

Clearly time for a Jedi mind trick

“You were bursting that pipe”

“Hrbbr djdhdhd glubglub blope”

[meager plinth]

run at them and give em a hug n a smooch

[bold flint]

blow them up with your own perils explosion

[fresh reef]

man I really gotta stop going for rescues that get me killed

[mellow gorge]

assert dominance

[fresh reef]

"oh the Ogryn's trapped, surely I can just unnet him and live"

the 3 gunners stunlocking me so I get netted as well

beloved preserve me

[subtle flame]

whats the best/most fun gun-psyker weapon?

[woven pumice]

all staves are fun but voidstrike is probably best

[subtle flame]

gun psyker tho

i feel shooty today

[meager plinth]

revolver imo

[fresh reef]

revolver and laspistol are both fun

[subtle flame]

how are the autoguns?

[meager plinth]

they can perform quite well overall, especially with some feats from the exile side of the tree

[fresh reef]

on any class besdies psyker, great

in my experience they're just alright on Psyker

[meager plinth]

and you can use your blitz to compensate on what ur prefered gun sucks at

brain bursts on weapons with horrid anti-armor for example

[woven pumice]

would love shotgun psyker

w smite

[subtle flame]

what ability is good for revolver?

[meager plinth]

brain burst or assail

oops

all 3 can be good

[subtle flame]

how about melee?

[sullen bobcat]

Illsi

[meager plinth]

you can get some pretty insane dps with scrier's, the utility of the shields is nothing to scoff at for breathing room and venting shriek is just a good pick overall

[plucky token]

it's personal preference. I like the chainsword, others like the force swords or the dueling swords.

[subtle flame]

huh?

[sullen bobcat]

The illsi force sword

[meager plinth]

melee you have a lot of choices, the Mk4 Duelling sword is insanely good rn

chainsword too

knife with bleed has potential, idk myself for the t-axe but the combat axes are as good as ever

[subtle flame]

does anyone have a build for gunker?

[lethal lagoon]

A gunker, or a kind of use a gun while assail is on cooldownker?

[plucky token]

Gunker meaning Psyker with guns? Gun Wizard?

[subtle flame]

ye

[sterile saddle]

look at the thread

[subtle flame]

wasnt aware

[sterile saddle]

its all good, i'd link it but i dont know how

[sullen bobcat]

I wouldn't really build bleed on psyker just because there's not much to do with it. It's only useful for bosses

No real bleed synergy on psyker

[sterile saddle]

most gun psykers run force sword and gun of choice

cause u can peddle peril with the blade

[sullen bobcat]

You'll kill the target with just stabbing faster than bleed can do anything

[sterile saddle]

and give urself 20% dmg free

[meager plinth]

this is what I use, with Mk4 duelling sword and MkIIa revolver

[subtle flame]

i kinda just wanted to use mostly guns but eh

[woven pumice]

that squash looks so cursed

[meager plinth]

that build can take you to haz5 damnation auric Maelstrom missions

oh 100%, I can make it even more squashed

[subtle flame]

im still levling so ill futz with stuff as i go

imma mess with dome for now

[meager plinth]

sounds good ^^ Have fun sibling!

[woven pumice]

finally some good fov

[meager plinth]

not squished enough

crushed it

[subtle flame]

how many skill points does it take to get to the bottom of most trees?

[plucky token]

🇼 🇮 🇩 🇪

[plucky token]

20ish if you beeline it

[woven pumice]

about 18-20

[subtle flame]

ah okay, i was wondering how tf people get so many extra points

[austere burrow]

Feels like you really want surgical on the revolver

Don't get too much before reloading if you don't crit every shot

[viscid matrix]

yeh hand cannon as a second blessing too

Crucian Roulette is nice too

[unreal tapir]

just got this out of a mission, how is it?

[viscid matrix]

might want to swap one of the blessings for Uncanny Strike
but otherwise its a good weapon

[unreal tapir]

does chain hit mean just hitting the same enemy or does that mean you have to light spam?

[viscid matrix]

both heavy and light, the buff lasts about a second and when it ends all stacks fall off

[unreal tapir]

okay, not bad i guess but i cant think of anything im going to poke more than twice

[frigid dune]

so do we build our curios for health or toughness these days with the new trees and their overall stats? i saw a pin about it but not sure if it's up to date

[viscid matrix]

you can maintain it with heavy attacks, as long as you hit with each

[hushed pike]

As someone who enjoys using guns on psyker, I wish Pskyer had access to braced autoguns.

[viscid matrix]

tbh its preference, some have toughness others have hp

both work

i went all in on HP so i have 278hp and 105 toughness
others prefer the opposite

[unreal tapir]

with how easy it is to regen toughness on psyker i might just go 1 wound and 2 toughness blessings

[narrow crane]

I don't see the point in wounds

[ornate hamlet]

Nevermind not playing vet. The ability doesn't highlight ogryns anymore and that's a joke.

[narrow crane]

Don't see many people playing vet rn

[unreal tapir]

just so that i wont die instantly if we pick up grimores

[ornate hamlet]

I liked one thing about vet and that was plasma rifle gaming

Dunking on enemy ogryns

[sullen bobcat]

Well that no longer exists

Enjoy 🙂

[primal plume]

Smite doesnt seem to benefit from any damage boosting talents

[viscid matrix]

its job is to lock down a group of enemies, not kill them

[proven stirrup]

ok I have a bit of a broad question

[primal plume]

Not the point

[proven stirrup]

I noticed a lot of people play with some UI and info mods but I'm not at all familiar with modding this. Can I get some suggestions on what to get?

[fresh reef]

spec'ing into dome instead of shield makes carrying randos much easier

[primal plume]

or maybe it does benefit. hard to tell with how the game pops up its numbers

[viscid matrix]

it does gain damage from talents, but it does less than 20 damage per tick, so boosting it doesnt do much

[analog agate]

maelstrom is just impossible right now, haha. So many brand new 30s trying it

[viscid matrix]

these are the most popular

first 3 are required for everything else

[primal plume]

Dome feels more impactful

although the wall is really good for stopping mutants on demand

[proven stirrup]

Thanks!

[fresh reef]

that's nice to have, but you can still stop mutants on demand

not as safely, granted, but dueling sword special will stun them with a weakspot hit for an easy kill

[primal plume]

yeah but the wall is more satisfying

[fresh reef]

true

[primal plume]

watching that dumbass go face first

it also stops dogs

which is also pretty cool

[fresh reef]

also hilarious is letting them hit a wall first, and them putting them between a rock and a psychic hard place

half the time it just breaks their ai and they have no idea what to do

[viscid matrix]

dueling sword can 1 tap them with a weakpoint hit, if they arnt empowered

[quartz dock]

Does anyone know if something has been said about the current Psyker bugs relating to Psykinetic Wrath/Blessed by Fate?

[primal plume]

always funny how this ability turned into a CC focused one

when all descriptions describe it as a powerful killing attack

[frigid dune]

the trailer even has them cast a small amount and pop a rager's head lmao

[unreal tapir]

lethal

[magic hull]

i go full toughness because it regen. Depends on playstyle. I rely on kill to regen.

[viscid matrix]

at launch Psyker were supposed to be the Elite Killer class, and then the Veterans were killing them before we had a chance 😄

FS have a habbit of doing this

[ornate hamlet]

I'm here again cause zealot chat is lore accurate.
For using shroudfield with thammer - To make it super good I just have to hit enemies from behind?

[magic hull]

to be fair though in higher level difficulty, mote toughness doesnt mean jackshit.

[weary arrow]

whats the meta when it comes to curios? toughness, wound, health? full toughness?

[viscid matrix]

it depends on what you prefer, some here like Toughness, ohters like myself perfer going all in on health

[magic hull]

go for the balanced one. I find the 21 health, 3 stamina and 17 toughness works well for me.

buthe rest is just gunner resistance, stamina regen, and toughness regen.

[viscid matrix]

i havent even seen 1 with 21% yet 😄 still on 3x20s with 5% perk for 75% increased HP

[weary arrow]

do u still need stamina if your in love with kinetic deflection?

[magic hull]

but if you are overwhelemed, you are fucked eitherway you know?

[magic hull]

it helps i suppose

[viscid matrix]

i like my almost 300 hp 😄

Wounds are for people who go down, and i get enough toughness regen from talents to keep me at max

i like to be able to survive mutie hordes

[magic hull]

hp is nice, you can make mistakes but you cant regen regularly. All Toughness curio is like... you can take more hits, but if you fucked up, you fucked up haha.

[viscid matrix]

melee ignore toughness, and that is usualy what hits me

[magic hull]

yeah, thats why im a bit iffy about toughness right now

always thought its meta but, idk i do better with a balanced curio nowadays

[left turtle]

Is it typically better to rock toughness or health on your curious, or is it a preference

[viscid matrix]

wounds are for people who cant stay up
toughness or hp are preference
stamina is nice to have, but it costs you at least 20% hp/17% toughness per curio

[left turtle]

id rather run at least 1 extra wound. shit happens and i dont wanna be on deaths door because of shit

[magic hull]

correct me, how many hits from a grunt in damnation clears out your toughness? I think 2-3 hits? Rocking all toughness curio wont make any major difference.

[left turtle]

larger toughness means faster toughness pumping from % restoration sources, no?

[magic hull]

theres one time I was like 80% toughness and i was hit like once or something. I got downed instantly.

I think toughness regen is so much more important

[left turtle]

to be fair psykers are made of wet tissue

[viscid matrix]

melee ignores toughness

[magic hull]

how fast your toughness regen snd how much it regen > toughness capacity

[viscid matrix]

doesnt matter how much you have if you get punched

[ornate hamlet]

Isn't your toughness only ignored under 100 toughness?

[woven pumice]

under 100%

if your toughness is full it will block melee

[viscid matrix]

^

getting back to 100% with a small amount of toughness might be better than having a lot of toughness 😄

[tropic geyser]

has anyone been going a crit build with the new tree?

[viscid matrix]

every build i have is a crit build 😄

[hushed pike]

Man it feels like every psyker in the game

is running the magic darts

[woven pumice]

i havent used assail even once 👴

[left turtle]

i aint and i fuckin just clock out when i get into a game with an assail psyker

its so fucking boring playing with one

[woven pumice]

busting makes me feel good

[royal falcon]

uh
guys

about toughness

[raw oriole]

Empowered Psionics vs Disrupt Destiny for the Assail build? Pros and Cons?

[left turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[tropic geyser]

lol i have one i have been messing around with and it has been feeling great, sword has +5% crit chance and up to +17.5% crit chance on chain hit, and like 14% base, gets pretty high

up ot like 40% crit chance, same with staff

[royal falcon]

wouldn't it be better to have both higher toughness regen and higher toughness at the same time since more toughness cap = gaining more toughness w/ regen since toughness regen is percentage based

[subtle oxide]

if i were trying to do pick n mix what would be the best way to go about it? now that they changed BB.

[left turtle]

what difficulty you on

[woven pumice]

it will only really matter for gunners but it's better to just not get hit

[steel flame]

has anyone tested if empathic evasion can trigger on dodge weapon blessings yet?

[left turtle]

i got it naturally on heresy tons of bastards to headpop

[subtle oxide]

it has to be tier 4 or above

[left turtle]

ah right

[unique mist]

when something says "reduces peril generated by 20%", does that mean a 10% peril ability only generates 8%? or is it additive (i know the answer is probably yes but i just wanted to ask anyway)

[tropic geyser]

yes 8%

[kindred hill]

Anybody know a good build for the penance pick and mix? The one that you need to brainburs 4 special or elite in 12 sec.

[steel flame]

keep in mind nothing that reduces peril will affect Scriers gaze peril generation

[steel flame]

not a clue, when i bother to use bb again after a year of having that as my only option ill let you know what i figure out XP

[small spindle]

what staff do i go with assail?

or not bother?

[steel flame]

wot

i use laspistol

crit go brrr

seen people use void staff

everyone still figuring it all out

we are all in the experimentation phase rn

despite what some people state

[small spindle]

right just didnt seem like i needed a staff with assail

[tropic geyser]

i had a problem with asail, and void staff, no CC. So i run voidstaff with smite, but probably a trauma with asail so you can CC heavy groups

[steel flame]

trauma has a wierd thing where it can funtion perfectly fine as your only weapon

[tropic geyser]

lol true

[woven pumice]

Empowered psionics with guaranteed charge on specialist kill

[tropic geyser]

voidstrike is my favorite, but I use it in the same situation as I would assail, so running them together felt redundant.

[steel flame]

i like surge go brr

[woven pumice]

And also venting with the cast speed

[tropic geyser]

i havent tried the new surge yet, how is it?

[small spindle]

like i havent touched staff with assaail so far so was tryign to figure out like why i still need astaff

[last sleet]

What blessings should I get on a surge force staff? Warp nexus and Warp flurry?

[tropic geyser]

what difficulty? its not enough depending on high intensity mobs and you need CC for your team to do the damage

[tropic geyser]

assail fizzles out after a point for me, on like malestrom damnation or auric with high intensity, need the CC

[viscid matrix]

running a assail build is fun in auric, just need to be able to kill stuff other than trash at the same time

[steel flame]

surge staff is really nice, tosses out casual 1k shots on specials and such. and also you can do this https://streamable.com/sp0hb4

[tropic geyser]

sword i am running for my crit build

[viscid matrix]

dont you do more damage with secondary even with the half second charge time

[steel flame]

i run assail in concert with my laspistol in auric and it performs very well. many times ill use assail to stagger things and put them into oneshot range for my las and finish them with that. makes for a super fast kill time build

[steel flame]

it depends, on single stuff i use the zap, but in hordes i can just mow them down with m1

[tropic geyser]

never tried using that as a quick back up to finish off, maybe it would work better for me

[viscid matrix]

try out either revolver, laspistol or shredder pistol, all 3 are pretty good as a backup for assail build

[steel flame]

revolver has a lot of downtime with reloads

ill probably make a crit shredder at some point to try out with my build

[tropic geyser]

ill have to give it a try. the staffs just feel so good. i love being a space wizard lol

[steel flame]

but i do love my laspistol

force push with it is fun

[woven pumice]

Trauma staff never gets old

Bulwark take a nap

[steel flame]

casual 800k damage with fire damage

fire trauma go brr

[viscid matrix]

in an assail build, you only pull out a gun to deal with crushers, maulers, reapers and monstrocities, reloading quickly isnt an issue at that point

[steel flame]

i guess

i use my las as much as my assail

both deal rediculous damage

just depends on the situation

[last sleet]

Can extracting a blessing fail?

[woven pumice]

No

[last sleet]

Weird. I extracted a rank 3 and didn't get it and the weapon is gone.

[woven pumice]

It can only be reapplied to the exact same weapon

Not even between mk

Afaik

[spice veldt]

between the same weapon family

[subtle flame]

how does one make the revolver reload better?

[steel flame]

speed load

thats it

[spice veldt]

if you're extracting blessings from a staff, it's because all of the staffs we have belong to different families

[last sleet]

Wait, so if I extracted from a trauma force staff, I can't apply to a surge force staff?

[spice veldt]

just that only one variant of each family exists currently

nope

[last sleet]

Fug.

That's silly.

[steel flame]

welcome to psyker life

[last sleet]

That's a silly billy way to live.

[steel flame]

nobody said we were sane

[last sleet]

So, what do I do to get good surge staff blessings. Just buy and upgrade surge force staffs? :D

[steel flame]

well good new

news

there are only 3 t4 surge blessings

so you wont be hunting for long

maybe

[last sleet]

But the play is: buy staff, upgrade staff, canibalize staff?

Also: Once I "earned" a blessing I can apply it as often as I want right? it's not an "once" thing?

[small spindle]

I was guessing that might be so, was just trying to figure out at higher levels what staff / secondary should I run with. Before blance patch I was doing the surge force staff.

[steel flame]

oh thats fun, just realized i can aim assail to the side of a bulwark then aim back at the bulwark and then the rocks hit him in the back and stagger him

well shit

thats even easier than doing bb

[last sleet]

Btw, what's best curio wise for assail psyker? 3 x toughness, with +5% toughness, and toughness regeneration speed?

[woven pumice]

Dont need to go so deep into toughness

[last sleet]

Probably still needs too many assails to be worth it. I've been swapping to my surge staff and charging right clicks. Keeps 'em CC'd too.

[steel flame]

1 assail dagger staggers them

[last sleet]

Right now I have 2x toughness, and 1x wounds, but I'm just not sure what's optimal.

[spice veldt]

it's a bit random on whether assail guardbreaks them

I think the assail has to come from the front

[feral verge]

Wounds not optimal

[spice veldt]

so it has to fly up and loop around

[steel flame]

im getting them to stagger by looping them in from behind

[spice veldt]

huh

[steel flame]

its pretty consistant

[spice veldt]

woundmaxxer

[woven pumice]

I like 1x wound and 2x health

[feral verge]

this is my wounds copy-pasta: For this reason: Imo wounds are playing with the intent of failure, in a way. It's better to prevent going down in the first place, either with HP, toughness or even stamina for pushing. With more HP or toughness you are less likely to go down. With 1 extra wound, you need to go down twice in order for it to actually benefit you. Whereas toughness or HP will always be helpful. Typically in those games where you go down twice, the round is doomed anyway. Even on damnation I feel med stations are plentiful enough where + wounds are unnecessary

[last sleet]

Yeah I'm trying to get rid of the wounds one, but I'm not sure what to get. With all the toughness regen in the tree going max toughness on curios seems the best. I don't understand the value of max HP at all, since most HP loss comes from wounds or other purple stuff. I usually find the blue health more usueful than the white health.

[tropic geyser]

that is what I run as well, toughness is what all the scaling is

i dont think max hp is worth it at all

and you have toughness damage reduction in the bubble shield

[last sleet]

Sure but I think you still have to throw assails for days at them. With a surge staff however he's dead in 3 attacks.

[viscid matrix]

melee ignores toughness if you are not at 100%
an empowered Mutie can kill you with the triple ground smash from 100% hp and toughness

[tropic geyser]

ya but that is such a niche situation to forgo what the increase in toughness gets you all around

if i dont dodge one of those attacks at least, `i deserve to go down lol

[viscid matrix]

have you been hit with a mutie horde yet?

[tropic geyser]

plenty but i got 161 toughness and 1510 health and i dont have issues

[last sleet]

That is true, I have been clobbered from overhead smashes to nothing when I wasn't careful. But what will help there? More max HP will help what, like once? And then it's gone, And if you pick up a grim, then the effect is essentially lost too, so you're better off with more toughness no?

[tropic geyser]

thats my reasoning

[last sleet]

You have 1510 health on psyker?

How?

[steel flame]

im not using a surge staff on my assail build 😛

[tropic geyser]

lmao mistype, 150

[steel flame]

which is why this is nice

[spice veldt]

health does let you skim off more anyways

[viscid matrix]

so you have 70 more toughness than me, but i have 120 more hp than you

[tropic geyser]

151 toughness 165 health*

[last sleet]

I have 173 health and 132 toughness and 1 extra wounds.

[spice veldt]

at least for melee, toughness and melee are roughly equivalent up to the second hit last time i did the calculations, but nowadays our base toughness varies

[last sleet]

I can recommend it. What are you using?

[woven pumice]

I have 120 toughness, 250 health and 1 extra wound 👩‍🦲

+90% toughness regen

[steel flame]

this is my laspistol, assail crit build

[rigid blade]

Still at work?

[spice veldt]

i like being to play stupidly into ranged patrols so I like my toughness

[woven pumice]

I just mark gunners/snipers, brain burst and dodgeslide behind cover

[steel flame]

this is my crit build, i use surge for other things

[woven pumice]

And trauma spam to keep them quiet

[steel flame]

i need to figure out if empathic evasion can trigger riposte while being shot at

[viscid matrix]

why would you give up Soulstealer?

[steel flame]

that would be very silly

[rigid blade]

Can I see the surge build?

[steel flame]

ah yeah

one sec

[subtle flame]

is there a way to make dueling sword penatrate flake better?

[viscid matrix]

try to get these blessings

[steel flame]

because i dont need it

[rigid blade]

Thanks

[viscid matrix]

this is my Surge build

[steel flame]

i like crits

[viscid matrix]

so do i

😄

[steel flame]

crit sounds make my brain wobbly

[unreal tapir]

all i need is the penance for pushing 7 enemies off the map and ill have all my psyker penances done. which maps have outdoor extracts so i can hold my team hostage until they let me do the challenge lol

[steel flame]

@viscid matrix but yeah i found that soulstealer was just overkill for my laspistol build and the point was better spent on warp rider

[viscid matrix]

you are lucky, its so much easier now, it used to be 20

[rigid blade]

I forget the name but I got that on that one map with the two bridges that lead to the last console you need to data interrogate

[viscid matrix]

it doesnt apply to laspistol kills, only staves, blitz's and soulflame

[last sleet]

Hm. Not really what I'm going for.
My Idea here is maxing time I can throw assails and empowered assails. if I ever get swarmed in melee, Illisi force sword clears pretty well, if I meet reapers, crushers or bullwarks, surge staff seems to have the highest DPS in getting rid of them, resulting in well rounded build.

[viscid matrix]

back at launch, we had to knock of 20 enemies at once for Cliffhanger

also PicknMix was 5 elites in 10 seconds

[woven pumice]

The mission with the two bridges connecting to the centre room right before extraction, idk the mission name 😭

[steel flame]

that too. besides im getting 5% off every crit which is every other shot, another 10% on a crit kill, and both peril generation and quelling from assail, so the extra little bit from soulstealer just wasnt needed

[viscid matrix]

fair enough

[woven pumice]

You can push them off the bridge

[unreal tapir]

thats terrible lol theres no way you can actually do that. calling it a push is an overstatement, at best it makes trash slightly stumble backwards a foot

[rigid blade]

Reminds me can I see the stats on the surge staff and melee?

[woven pumice]

Either with psykinetic grasp or trauma staff

[steel flame]

wdym?

[viscid matrix]

we did it 😄 the trick was a ogryn with shield or psyker with a lot of stamina stand on a mini bridge off the side of a bridge

[steel flame]

its v

[rigid blade]

For the surge build

[unreal tapir]

thats wild lol

[rigid blade]

Thank ya

[steel flame]

need a better deimos at some point

meh

not a priority

[unreal tapir]

does upgraded push increase distance based on peril?

[steel flame]

ye

[unreal tapir]

thats underwhelming, still cant tell the difference at 100 peril

[woven pumice]

Just use trauma staff

[azure karma]

how do i make this better

[woven pumice]

Send those suckers flying

[steel flame]

blaze over transfer

[azure karma]

blaze what

[steel flame]

crit chance over stamina

blazing spirit

[azure karma]

whats that

[brisk pawn]

Jazz hands is the name of the build once you get the middle last orbs your basically set if you let go of the attack you use one of them up use voidstalk and walls to deal with getting the orbs needed

[steel flame]

makes things go fwoosh on crit

[azure karma]

oh

[keen harbor]

transfer peril is fine too

[steel flame]

sets em on fire

its a trauma staff mr deaf

aint nobody need transfer peril on a trauma staff

[azure karma]

bis blessings are nexus and blaze?

i dont realy know how to use trauma i just know its good lol

[keen harbor]

you should try it out before making changes

[azure karma]

also yeah, how coud you even hit a weak spot with trauma

[last sleet]

Smite would be so good if you could get Kinetic flayer with it.

[woven pumice]

M2 all day everything falls over

[azure karma]

idk what M2 is

i just came back after a long ass time lol

[woven pumice]

Secondary ability

It's eruption

[azure karma]

just spam eruption?

[woven pumice]

Crazy staggers

Pretty much

[azure karma]

what about t his, how ake better

[woven pumice]

Eruption makes bulwark take a nap

Never gets old

[azure karma]

so if im spamming eruption, whats the build? since i wont be using assail

[last sleet]

Assail is love, assail is life.

[narrow crane]

can someone confirm if Kinetic Deflection + Deflector 4 on my sword gives me 55% BCR

[peak grotto]

How does this look?

[woven pumice]

Don't have my build on hand to post but it's just brain burst with cast speed on ability, venting strike and empowered psionics with guaranteed charge on specialist kill

[narrow crane]

fine but base rating is bad

could do much better

[peak grotto]

Fair

[narrow crane]

warp resistance isnt huge but youll noitice it that low

[peak grotto]

What would you say is the least important stat on Deimos? Mobility or Warp Resist?

[woven pumice]

Trauma with nexus + blazing or rending + flurry

Both sound good

[woven pumice]

Less warp resist is ideal

[peak grotto]

Just grabbed this, but if you think I can do better I'll keep rolling

[tropic geyser]

I have this, but im working on a better one, the quell on weak spot lets me never stop firing but I need to find a higher tier.

[last sleet]

What build is everyone playing with the voidstrike staves? Because I feel like for assail, surge is the better option.

[tropic geyser]

i use smite with the psionic charges, for unlimited lightning/stagger, because the psionic charge reduces the cost by 100% to channel

[woven pumice]

It will be patched out though

[tropic geyser]

voidstrike hits everything far away, and smite hits closer and chians CC

[keen harbor]

I am using smite, but that's only because I want the two skills below it

[last sleet]

I dunno if it should be patched. Smite is so weak without the infinite spam.

[woven pumice]

It's not that weak

[kind jay]

the fact that smite is only decent because of a bug is exactly why it should be patched

[woven pumice]

Makes mutants and poxbursters cry even without empowered

And ragers

And hounds 😭

[subtle flame]

what does fire frenzy do since its icon is bugged?

[woven pumice]

Ofc stronger with the bug but still alright without it

[tropic geyser]

doesnt make them cry long enough without the bug lol is the problem, maybe if they reduced the peril by 50% with psionic charge

[woven pumice]

Yeah that'd be nice

[tropic geyser]

the unlimited is too much, as much fun as it is lol

[woven pumice]

I'll be sad to see it go for sure

It's so funny

[tropic geyser]

i have dodged to keep moving fast to hold it for so long lol

looking sideways, moving like a crab down the map

[woven pumice]

Think that's why i started dodgesliding backwards so much

[peak grotto]

What guns would you recommend for a gun psyker?

[tropic geyser]

a voidstrike staff

[pale matrix]

is knife generally outclassed now thanks to mk4 dueling saber buffs?

[sterile saddle]

it depends on how you want to build.. the MK2a recon is pretty potent if u go for crit and stack BB, u'll get crits from your weapon AND the occassional BB smeking enemies for a pretty reliable dmg cycle. Only problem is ammo control. Alternatively you can go for a different recon gun with more ammo/less dmg since you're proccing crits and BB... Alternatively you can run handgun, same thing, it peirces mobs so you can shoot specials through anything and still proc crit and BB

[left turtle]

Does warp flurry do anything for Purgatus staff

[peak grotto]

I have always been very skeptical of 10% chance to BB an enemy every 15s. Is one-shotting a random poxwalker or scab really that helpful?

[left turtle]

i tried it and it rarely procced on anything useful, id rather just allocate the talent point elsewhere honestly

[woven pumice]

I can see it being okay if it was a 15 sec cooldown per target

[left turtle]

anything thats chunky im manually BB'ing anyway

[woven pumice]

Universal 15 sec cd is just unfortunate

[sterile saddle]

it's just a free plus, the dmg is still there with warp charges giving you free 24%

[unreal tapir]

yea that node seems pretty bad, they could lower it a bit or just give it a cd per enemy, would make bb more even with the new blitz options. i know bb enthusiasts will say its amazing but its really not as good as assail or smite and i dont mind using it for challenges but it definitely lowers carry potential compared to the other 2

[pale matrix]

BB is terrible this patch. Can no longer two tap crushers.

[woven pumice]

Without empowered?

[last sleet]

I don't see much use for it outside of the bug. It gives a moment of respite sure, but so do other abilities that actually kill the enemies. To me it feels balanced in it's bugged state, because while you channel it, you kill nothing. Even just a poxhound going from 0 peril to 100% removes less than a third of it's health. You basically take out 1 source of damage completely for CC.
If it's not infinite, then it needs to actually do respectable damage.