psyker-class

[covert saffron]

I still have them for some things

[fierce crest]

its this but without the peril quell

[timid sphinx]

Didn't they like fuck up the patches and unfixed a lot of issues

[fierce crest]

lots of good options

[timid sphinx]

Mostly related to like

Cosmeticß

[timid sphinx]

Cosmetics

Oh right another fun bug with the chestpiece is when you use the catachan sword and do a heavy attack it does this

[left turtle]

im tryina find what melee weapon i like rn too, so far the duelign sword has been my fav

[silent forge]

is this worth maxing? the 73% is kinda meh but lmk

[astral citrus]

tell me a gud one for my oonga boonga small ogryn brain thanks

[timid sphinx]

Axe for small brain imo

[fierce crest]

these are my favs, but more are good

[covert saffron]

I really like the illisi. IMO I play psyker for the class specific stuff I don't want to run guns or regular pleb swords. Give me a staff and a force sword all day

[meager gust]

i just got my psyker to 30 - any suggestions on rerolls for this?

i've read throwing mutant on would be a good idea

[restive slate]

Duelling sword heavy wrecks Crushers faster than Force Sword special its nuts

[left turtle]

I run Brain Rupture with shield and a Purgatus staff.

[keen harbor]

I would do +25% maniac damage, and keep it at that

[covert saffron]

Yeah but voidstrike tho

[restive slate]

Voidstrike isnt melee lol

[keen harbor]

I've been playing damnation, and I am really surprised at how quickly I am no longer encountering assail psykers

[restive slate]

Unless youre using that abussmal special attack

[white oar]

wtf

is this base voidstrike

fatshark pls

[restive slate]

I expect a slight nerf to Voidstrike by next patch

[covert saffron]

That's my staff, and it also crit. Without crit it won't one shot

[torn bison]

do charged attacked on blaze swords count as warp kills/attacks?

[keen harbor]

yes

[restive slate]

Wait till you get Voidstrike with Surge blessing

[keen harbor]

Illis charged heavy swing into a horde = instantly regen all toughness

[restive slate]

I'm glad i kept that Void staff last time

[unique mist]

What the fuck

[covert saffron]

Yeah I know I haven't found any surges yet

[torn bison]

That's what I thought, I'm not seeing the numbers work on it from Malefic Momentum but I am gaining the toughness

[unique mist]

I guess I'm going voidstrike with assail

i was using purgatus but only found it useful for staggering hordes closing in on me when I could be using assail to kill them all

I'm new

[fierce crest]

assail is good midrange and horde clear

purge is good short range and horde clear

[white oar]

Personally I'm a big fan of just never needing to quell peril with pergatus sometimes due to the talent of losing peril on kill

[fierce crest]

they kinda anti synergy

[unique mist]

Yeah I was thinking the same

[keen harbor]

Once you get used to voidstrike, you don't even need assail
So I picked Smite

[fierce crest]

i use a revolver cuz its good long range and anti armor

which assail is bad at

and an axe for short range anti armor

[restive slate]

Assail cant clear hordes, not at damnation at least

[fierce crest]

but a DS or force sword would also work well

[white oar]

Non magic weapon psyker???

madness

[fierce crest]

no way

[restive slate]

Me, i am madness

[spice veldt]

assail isn't up there in hordeclear, but it's average and that's good enough

[covert saffron]

Yes it sure can, auric damnation it works just fine still lmao

[unique mist]

I thought everyone on reddit and YouTube was crying OP over assail

[crimson kiln]

Bro what Assail has insane horde clear even on Auric

[keen harbor]

Assail can get overwhelmed in Hi-Int damnation, but that's about it, really

[fierce crest]

its not illisi or purg levels

but it can do it

also the axe i use is the cleave axe

[restive slate]

Like what Arc said, its not crazy horde clear

[fierce crest]

so helps a bit there

[crimson kiln]

It clears big blobs of chaff crazy quick with empowered psi for free throws

[restive slate]

Assail is more like Elite and Patrol Clear

[fierce crest]

assail is kinda bad vs non dreg elites

[keen harbor]

It struggles against scabs

[fierce crest]

i guess its ok against ogyns

that arent crusher

[spice veldt]

it's been fine against scabs in my experience

it's only maulers/bulwarks/crushers/mutants where it suffers

[fierce crest]

even scab ragers?

[spice veldt]

mhm

[torn bison]

what staff would be best if I just want to use it to stagger/supress while I close in for melee

[spice veldt]

well, against ragers I usually use it as a stagger if they're not in a group

[white oar]

Surge presumably

[fierce crest]

anything but purg

[unique mist]

anyways as a new psyker I hated brain pop because you cant half charge, and smite felt like I wasn't doing anything at all. Then going assail I was actually killing things so I've just been using that from then on

[spice veldt]

Trauma

well actually Voidstrike might be better

[fierce crest]

sadly

but yeah

surge kinda short range too

[torn bison]

lmao that was actually what I was using. The suppress on it isn't bad but the range sucks

[keen harbor]

Purg has poor suppression, even with the suppression blessing

[fierce crest]

it suppresses by killing

[covert saffron]

Yeah even in auric damnations I'm like 80% of the time chucking empowered assails, voidstrike when stuff is far or carapace, and bust out the illisi when stuff gets too close or I'm low on daggers and high peril.

[unique mist]

Is assault chainsword good

[fierce crest]

its funny

i dont really like it

would rather use a force sword

[torn bison]

sorry yeah I meant stagger. I would only use it when at ~10m from an enemy, swap lmb then swap back. The stagger would let me close

[unique mist]

Which one

[fierce crest]

well obscurus would be the closest to chain sword

[keen harbor]

oh, if you want stagger, voidstrike or trauma

[crude oxide]

Is the soulblaze mechanic worth trying to build for? I tried a crit blazing illisi in the meat grinder and it doesnt seem to do much.

[fierce crest]

but better to specialize with illisi for horde clear or deimos for single target

[unique mist]

I switched from blaze force sword to chainsword because its my highest rating one by a long shot rn

[torn bison]

yeah just something with more range to help me clear distances better, which one would you rec out of the two?

[fierce crest]

kinda, soulblaze melee is meh

but the talents are good

and obviously purg staff

but also trauma staff with the blessing

[keen harbor]

Personally, I like voidstrike better. It's easier to use and has way more range

[crude oxide]

How dooes purg staff work with soulblaze?

[fierce crest]

it is soulblaze

[torn bison]

purg flames count as soulblaze

[crude oxide]

Oh

[covert saffron]

my biggest complaint about the obscuris and chainswords is that the secondary attack sometimes will lock you on to a target that you're not trying to hit. The deimos is a bit more accurate with it because of the pokey

[crude oxide]

Thats great then

ty

[fierce crest]

SO CLOSE TO PERFECTLY BALANCED

[white oar]

Is illisi worth bringing

[fierce crest]

its great

its my force sword of choice

[torn bison]

awesome ty, I'm trying to make a zealot esq psyker and the melee is fun just looking for more ways to clear gaps

[white oar]

Surely your staff covers the whole horde clear thing though

[fierce crest]

some do

revolver doesnt horde clear tho

[white oar]

I suppose that's true

[fierce crest]

and BB doesnt either

[white oar]

Depends on what you pair it with

[fierce crest]

illisi is a god of cleave

bring it when you need cleave

[white oar]

Makes sense yea

[fierce crest]

purg, deimos sword, BB was the classic

[white oar]

That's currently what I'm using lol

[crude oxide]

Would you go with slaughterer and deflect for it?

[white oar]

My exact loadout

How did you know

[fierce crest]

its the classic

can handle everything

i like guns as much as staffs so i bring illisi with those

[white oar]

Makes sense yeah

Also is it ever worth not using dome shield

But instead using the wall

[keen harbor]

Personally, I can't live without bubble shield. It makes rando damnation so much easier

[white oar]

The wall just seems worse

[fierce crest]

bubble is better than stun

but stun is cool

[covert saffron]

peoples ape brain get more activated to stand in it with big dome rather than just the wall

[fierce crest]

and i like the oh shit button in force push

[white oar]

Lmao extremely true

[torn bison]

feels good to get 10% toughness every second too lmao

[fierce crest]

tho shield is kinda like that for shooters

[keen harbor]

bubble shield also has insane toughness regen inside of it

[white oar]

It has so far allowed me to revive all the downed teammates I slap it onto without fail

[keen harbor]

you see someone getting overwhelmed, you pop it for them

[torn bison]

fr the toughness regen ability is the strongest in game. Crazy how good it is

[keen harbor]

It works to prevent downs, and also makes reviving so much easier

[torn bison]

Sharp has good util on picking up friends and Zealot can do cool 1tricks on bosses near ledges, but their overhealth can go away so fast and Zealot prevents you doing damage while in it

[white oar]

If they actually remember to throw the frag grenade they bring smh

[keen harbor]

If you want boss ledges, just bring shovel bullrush ogryn

[spice veldt]

the overtoughness has the advantage of being calculated into your max toughness for anything that regenerates toughness by percentage

[potent echo]

Save to trade for rations upon return

[fierce crest]

anyone know the cleave breakpoints for the mk5 axe?

maybe i ask the zealots

[keen harbor]

mk5 is antax?

[white oar]

On the note of sharpshooter, is the stealth ult just bad

[torn bison]

@keen harbor yeah voidstrike is awesome, you can quick swap rmb a bulwark and it opens it up for only 10% peril cost p good

[fierce crest]

its the one with cleave

yes

[white oar]

every time I've used it, I wished I had volley fire

[potent echo]

I find that the shout is just better

[atomic zephyr]

Bubble can also stop the nurgle boss from projectile vomiting. Keeps everything in the bubble. So the team can melee outside of it

[white oar]

Havent tried the shout yet

[potent echo]

Stealth is selfish and relies on your team to carry

[white oar]

Doesnt it just stagger enemies around you?

[potent echo]

On exit no

Suppresses

So only works on gunners/groaners

And reapers I think

[echo turtle]

The players on tonight are brutal holy shit

[torn bison]

disagree. The amoung of damnation runs I've saved from going stealth to res in tricky spots is high

[potent echo]

Actually maybe staggers

Need to check again

[potent echo]

Or you can press shout and res

Shorter CD too

[restive slate]

I feel vet smoke grenades need to be buffed to suppress enemies too

[white oar]

This seems like the one good usage of stealth

[torn bison]

Agreed my b thought we were talkin zealot

[white oar]

But like, just dont go down 4head

[shell torrent]

But what if the stealth was the reason they were in a tricky spot 👻

[keen harbor]

AFAIK, Mk5 antax cleave doesn't do anything meaningful. It only has overhead swings, and rarely hits more than 2 targets. That's why Rashad Mk2 is usually preferred.

[covert saffron]

It's stealth all the way down

[crimson kiln]

5head big brain over here

[potent echo]

They stealth in and kill 1rager out of 5

[torn bison]

yeah and shout grants full shields and oversheilds which can prevent downs in the first place

[potent echo]

The other 4 turn on him

Who could have seen this coming

[crimson kiln]

surprised Pikachu face

[old flame]

I want a force great sword , illisi is kinda boring now

[crimson kiln]

Bro Dome+Assail Psyker is so much fun

[potent echo]

I bring back my dream of force greatsword that shoots sword waves

[white oar]

Force greatsword would be cool

More force weapons in general

[fierce crest]

yeah i guess just the push without blessings

[white oar]

That's its special attack I presume

[white oar]

I was a big dome hater until very recently, thought the push was the way to go

[potent echo]

Join the wall gang

[white oar]

Then I used a dome and it saved me from a net

I am now a big dome believer

[potent echo]

Damn I didn't know the shield stops nets

[fierce crest]

eh fuckit gonna roll a rashad with similar damage and see

[regal musk]

I kinda just wish the charged state was a toggle rather than needing to spammed on every hit.
Gain peril on every swing while charged instead of needing to reapply on every hit >_>

[fierce crest]

it would give a reason to overload with them

[potent echo]

Won't you blow up super easily like this

[fierce crest]

cuz currently you dont even get the attack

[potent echo]

Esp with darktide buffered inputs lol

[sullen bobcat]

Honestly, playing with other people with assail pisses me off especially if they're actually not braindead and just kill everything because assail is stupid

[fierce crest]

unlike overloading from staffs or blitzs

[bright forge]

antax mk5 light swings are sweeps that lop of heads

[regal musk]

ABout as easily as bloiwing up with a staff lol. You'd need to manage your peril of course lol

[potent echo]

I think the smite exploiters are worse

[fierce crest]

but it seems that they only hit one target by default

i have 75% cleave and its still one target

[old flame]

Yeah I refuse to use assail for that reason, I think it’s pretty boring to looks cool though

[fierce crest]

which is weird sad cuz it used to have base cleave

[potent echo]

Yea but if you accidentally click twice at 99% the buffer will make you swing twice and you explode

[white oar]

I felt real bad trying out the smite exploit in a match lol

Never again

[bright forge]

think it relies a bit on blessings, my zealot has a very old one that lopped off 2-3 per swing. the good thing about it is the high light atk dmg

[trim garnet]

this is ideal for stats and traits right? not sure what to swap uncanny for, dont have a higher deflector

[regal musk]

Thats your own damn fault for spam clicking despite being near critical peril lol

[potent echo]

It's like how all assail users are blowing up now

[keen harbor]

I hate smite exploit. It allows me to carry 3 very bad players in damnation

[fierce crest]

perfect stats is 60 mobility

[trim garnet]

scriers has made me blow up quite a few times gotta admit

[white oar]

If it's a projectile, shield stops it

Flamethrower included

[potent echo]

Net is like

Is it even a real projectile

Can't slide under it

[sullen bobcat]

I took me a few matches to figure out gaze

I also use gaze with my high peril crit voidstrike build

So

Lots of explosions

[old flame]

I don’t know how I feel about scrier, I guess it’s ok

[potent echo]

Figure out how to never pick it again

[regal musk]

I like it. Empowered removing the peril cost lets me hold onto it for when i need CC without being concerned for peril.
Will be sad to see it go away. Empowered gonna need to massively buff the damage if they remove the peril bonus XD

[sullen bobcat]

I use it fine. It's just an emergency button

[keen harbor]

"Oh wow, the 2 zealots and 1 vet have no idea how to not take damage in melee, and can't even keep a horde from overwhelming the group. My bubble shield isn't enough for them, and I now have to switch to infinite smite to keep them alive"

[fierce crest]

melee until you have 5 stacks of true aim, throw 1-4 shards, switch back, any aura works

[silent wave]

nice roll, what perks would you recommend?

[fierce crest]

maniac and flak for purg

[potent echo]

Focused to flurry

[restive slate]

Either that or reduce peril generation

[potent echo]

Flak unyielding/maniac

[sullen bobcat]

The left click is ridiculously low in damage. It just needs to be buffed. The actual peril generation otherwise is about balanced or maybe just 10% less generation

[fierce basalt]

anyone keen to help me speedrun a heresy mission for just a flesh wound penance ?

[fierce crest]

unyielding overrated on purg

flak maniac always

[potent echo]

They actually buffed maniac burn so I actually can recommend it now

Also you don't need focused because you can't get staggered while flaming (unlike zealot flamer)

You will only get staggered out of charging, which is manageable

[regal musk]

Or just a timer like say 5 - 8 seconds of no peril, after which it gains peril like normal.
Keeps its value of short free bursts and punishes lazy spam holding

[potent echo]

Esp with flurry

[restive slate]

Smite left click could be a quick single fire that staggers an rnemy to the ground

[steep frost]

What's the difference in the force swords?

[sullen bobcat]

Obscurus is a joke, deimos is single target, and illsi is horde

[regal musk]

Ilsi charged cleaves, the other 2 are single target pops.

[steep frost]

What would you pair with voidstrike?

[potent echo]

Obscurus is like

[fierce crest]

illisi cleave, deimos single target, obscurus slightly better cleave than deimis, worse single target

[sullen bobcat]

Demios

[potent echo]

The goldilocks FS

[restive slate]

I like it

Several seconds of Palpatining

[trim garnet]

obscurus also has interesting interactions with rapid hit blessings

[potent echo]

For example?

[trim garnet]

the warp attack counts as 4 hits

[potent echo]

Not Deimos?

[trim garnet]

lets you do fun stuff with uncanny strikes or something

[old flame]

The illisi is great against single targets to

[trim garnet]

deimos does as well i believe

[potent echo]

I thought they were the same

[trim garnet]

but im not 100% sure on that

[potent echo]

Yea

[old flame]

If specced right

Illisi is the do everything sword

[potent echo]

Uncanny with FS warpstrike head just shreds

[white oar]

Random question, but what are auric missions

[old flame]

I run it with unstable power and slaughterer

[fierce crest]

no where near as good as deimos or even obscurus

[white oar]

I keep seeing people mention them, but I dont think I've ever actually seen an auric mission in the mission board

[keen harbor]

Illis single target is literally the same as dealing with hordes. You just have to repeat it

[potent echo]

A playlist that is a separate queue from normal, only has hi intensity modifiers and above

[white oar]

How do I access this

[trim garnet]

i prefer illisi because if im using melee its for a horde

[white oar]

Very cool

[trim garnet]

blitz and staff can take care of big bois

[fierce crest]

one shotting muties is nice

[white oar]

I already play high intensity whenever its available lol

[trim garnet]

this i cannot dispute

[fierce crest]

and psyk has nuts horde clear options

[white oar]

High intensity shock troop gauntlet very fun

[trim garnet]

yeah but i dont feel like i ever need to melee an elite ngl

i run voidstrike/bb

[fierce crest]

yeah so you dont have the nuts horde clear options

[trim garnet]

ye

[white oar]

Voidstrike is pretty decent horde clear

Especially in hallways

[trim garnet]

can you hit an enemy with the projectile and the explosion if you angle it down through their legs?

[regal musk]

Voidstrike machinegunning is just plain fun. lol

[trim garnet]

yeah its my favorite

running it with scriers and the double strike blessing

• the crit every 5 weakspots talent

[unique mist]

Whats the crit + soulblaze interaction

[trim garnet]

can voidstrike get the soulblaze blessing? ive never seen it

[fluid knot]

I wonder if people will still love Void after it gets nerfed

It can, but its kinda irrelevant in this patch

[trim garnet]

yeah

[keen harbor]

I didn't use void in the last patch, because it felt really bad to use

[fluid knot]

It was the go-to last patch if you wanted to use it, but theres not really any justification for it at the moment given it out-damages everything else in the game

[regal musk]

Ive used Void since launch .. I like its mechanics more than anything else, it being buff as hell right now is just icing lol

[trim garnet]

do y'all run guaranteed psionics on elite or the increased chance

im still kinda on the fence

[keen harbor]

The amount of utility from shields and not BB allows voidstrike to have a proper placement in game

[fluid knot]

Eyy, yeah me too, but i am refusing to use it in this patch because its not fun being able to one-shot everything imo

[regal musk]

I prefer the extra chance. Almost always have 3 charges in my pocket

[smoky sierra]

so does this perk work for the circle on the ground triggering twice or just the shittly m1 warp balls?

[trim garnet]

hey dont you slander the m1 warp balls

those things are great now after the finesse buffs

[smoky sierra]

love my m1 warp balls but they are ballz

[fluid knot]

It has always had a place, it just had a higher demand to be good with

[keen harbor]

Using voidstrike or assail I don't have any issues getting kills on elites

[trim garnet]

im having issues being the one to get the final blow even with voidstrike ^^;

[white oar]

They're fun to get headshots with at least

[fluid knot]

You'll get there, at the moment thats a skill issue, but the more time you spend in game you'll counter that pretty hard. Void is THE single most busted thing in this version

[potent echo]

I like playing assail surge staff

[trim garnet]

surge seems the best pairing for assail imo

[fluid knot]

Surge is great since the changes for sure

[trim garnet]

im loving the niche they gave it

[potent echo]

I like the 25m range it's really funny

[fluid knot]

Oh yeah the range buff was so nice

[trim garnet]

i havent tried trauma in a very long time did they ever make it worth using

[fluid knot]

Its deceptively large now

[trim garnet]

i know it was hot garbage for a while

[fluid knot]

Oh man Trauma been worth it for a while now

[regal musk]

Its interesting lol
Feels a bit off not being able to hold the zap XD

[fluid knot]

They just reduced the amount of Peril it builds up, went from D tier to S tier in one patch, was a while ago now tho

[trim garnet]

i see

[fluid knot]

Eh, Smite fills the CC role now, an does it much better tbh

[trim garnet]

if voidstrike wasnt busted rn what role would trauma fill?

[fluid knot]

It would be one of two direct damage staves, ideally Void would be at a similar powerlevel, but Trauma has more area denial

[keen harbor]

trauma has larger blast radius

[regal musk]

Oh i dont mean for the CC. Was just testing the surge i had for the first time and im not used to it just doing a single zap and then stopping XD

[white oar]

What does surge do now?

[fluid knot]

Void just needs like 30% taken off the top

[white oar]

They made it not CC anymore?

[trim garnet]

less chaining, bigger single target burst

[white oar]

Sounds fun

[trim garnet]

its the best for single target dps i think

[fluid knot]

Chains to two targts, does fat damage to one, modicum of CC with solid direct damage

[trim garnet]

not 100% sure on that

[fluid knot]

Nah Void is atm, but thats 100% getting hit with the nerf bat in 2w

[trim garnet]

well void is kinda just the best at everything rn tbh

[regal musk]

The purple one i had crits the reaper for 1500. That was fun to see

[trim garnet]

outside of blaze builds ofc

[fluid knot]

Surge is absolutely S tier though no doubt

[white oar]

I might try illisi + surge

[trim garnet]

its hard for me to pry myself away from illisi

[white oar]

Probably assail too

Though smite could work

[fluid knot]

Surge/Smite is my go-too because its capable of such hard-carry

[regal musk]

SUrge is basically aimbot VS for its damage, with less cleaving.

[white oar]

My only concern is if theres a sniper

Or a large concentration of gunners across a room

[fluid knot]

Surge can shut down targets up to 25m

Which is most of the engagement zones

[white oar]

Good to know

[regal musk]

Thats what those other 3 rejects in the squad are for

[white oar]

If they werent dead smh

[fierce crest]

get horde clear blitz or gun

[fluid knot]

There might be one or two instances where it cant reach them, but eh, snipers arent hard to push unless there is loads of em

[slow raven]

spam the left click on surge for snipers

[fluid knot]

For example https://youtu.be/foDJXhb8x84?si=n4khoZeVa5O0Vvo-

[trim garnet]

i feel like you can easily cover the weakness of your blitz with your staff and vice versa now

[slow raven]

if youre running the wall you can take all the time you need to line up the shot

[trim garnet]

i rarely find myself using melee unless its a big group getting past the clear

[fierce crest]

or get smite and purg and have too much horde clear

forcing yourself to not run illisi

[fluid knot]

Fuck i hate Purgatus

[white oar]

Wow

What's ur problem smh

[trim garnet]

purgatus zzzzzz

effective though

[white oar]

Purgatus great

[spark fractal]

psykers are the most flexible class because of the blitz limited only by perils, and it's not close

[fluid knot]

Its just obnoxious for the rest of the team an imo, pretty fuckin boring

[trim garnet]

this 100%

[fierce crest]

revolver axe my beloved

[white oar]

I just think shooting fire from your hands is cool

[trim garnet]

me depriving my local zealot of a job by holding right click

[spark fractal]

other classes need to use their melee to complement their ranged, and vice versa, because they only get a handful of blitz uses

[fluid knot]

Laughs in throwing knives

[trim garnet]

is there any point to the assail rmb

[fluid knot]

Its menna be precise, but in all honesty, not really atm

[spark fractal]

yeah, it's actually extremely useful, lets you countersnipe snipers from across the room, and guarantee that your shards hit whoever has the glowing head

[fluid knot]

They're basically aimbotted as it is, just hover your cursor over whatever you want to die an die it will

[bright forge]

not true at range

[spark fractal]

the default wander range for the shards is very low, like ~20 meters or so, the right click can send it out ~50 meters

[fluid knot]

Ive never had an instance where the LMB hasnt been able to hit over range

[bright forge]

rmb assail is for killing stuff that needs to die now

[fluid knot]

But then i only played like 10 games with it because i found it to be very broken an without a skill ceiling, so there is that

[bright forge]

lmb is for killing whatever

[spark fractal]

yeah or stuff that's too far away for lmb auto tracking to pick up

it definitely has a use

[bright forge]

oh yes

[white oar]

Tbf vet basically gets infinite grenades

If you dont die you will likely never run out of nades

[spark fractal]

i'd argue that knowing when to machine gun them, when to precisely aim them, and when to switch to other weapons requires skill, but yes the skill floor is quite high, you can just spam left click at most hordes and do okay, even on damnation, the shards might charge a little too fast, making the 30% faster charge talent kind of pointless, and ammo management too easy

[spark fractal]

5% recharge vs elites is actually not that high, though you probably get 1 back per encounter on damanation due to the sheer amount of elites

[fluid knot]

Maybe there would be a skill ceiling if the aiming was harsher and you couldnt go through the mission using only them, put personally they're far too deadbrain for me

I mean you can see it with the amount of Vet mains who have becomes Psykers this patch because now Psyker is the stupidly overtuned one

[white oar]

The grenade every 60 seconds basically guarantees you wont run out

[spark fractal]

but vet grenades aren't super good imo, assail clears hordes better than the shredder frag, brain burst clears elites at much longer ranges and vs. more targets than the krak

[white oar]

Assuming you arent constantly throwing krak grenades at ogryns I guess

[spark fractal]

there are some vet builds which i consider better than pre-nerf vet, a good recon with the shred talents absolutely shred everything, including crushers, and have great ammo management too

[torn bison]

Disrupt Destiny feels very hard to keep up, or am I just doing it wrong?

[spark fractal]

the recon is just so comfy to use, near perfect accuracy so it's super forgiving if you miss your first shot, you can walk enemies into your laser

[slow raven]

it doesnt highlight enough enemies

[spark fractal]

no, it's hard to use, your own team can steal your kill

they need to change it so if the target dies from any source you get the buff

[slow raven]

you can kinda get it to work if you always run ahead of your team and cause wipes

[fluid knot]

There are yeah, but playing Vet is no longer a free pass, it requires you to both aim and take cover now, whereas before stuff was perma-highlighted an they had a 75% DR to ranged fire which made the class stupidly forgiving, even in the highest settings

[torn bison]

it feels that way, and left tree gives you a 24% base damage buff that feels like its up 100% of the time

[spark fractal]

yeah and if you're always focused on trying to keep stacks up instead of, you know, actual big threats that need to die now, you're also likely to cause wipes

[spark fractal]

it's also a 24% peril reduction, you can pretty much just spam all your staffs and blitz all day long

[torn bison]

yeah, I'm making a melee focused build and I really want to run Disrupt but the fact that it's nearly impossible to get it when you need it makes me not want to use it at all

[spark fractal]

empowered psionics is probably better for a brain burst build though, because you can save up 3 stacks of super fast casting, free, and high damage brain bursts, which is all you really need in most encounters

[unique mist]

if i'm running voidstrike staff with assail what melee weapon should i go for

[torn bison]

I'm using MK 5 blaze with talents that proc on warp damage/kills

Your charged heavy attack cleaves multiple enemies making it very strong

[unique mist]

so assail for hordes, voidstrike for single target and blaze for...close range hordes?

[spark fractal]

disrupt destiny is meant to be for gunpsykers, i think, but...warp charges just seem to be better, even if gunpsyker doesn't use the perils reduction as much

[regal musk]

From the wording, it needs to be the psyker who kills the marked target?

[spark fractal]

surge is also for single target, and trauma is actually really good for medium / short ranged hordes too, and elites

[spark fractal]

yeah, it sucks

[unique mist]

i tried trauma and didn't like it

[regal musk]

Oof yeah. Reeks of old Warp Charges.
Needs to just be the marked target dying gives 1 stack and killing it yourself gives multiple.

[sullen bobcat]

Disrupt destiny doesn't work right now iirc

[spark fractal]

can't go wrong with the illisi, though dueling swords (mk 4 is a crowd fav) are also very strong now, all those assail crits count for dueling sword blessings so you can just absolutely nail someone with a super buffed special stab

[torn bison]

is that intended or we thinking it will get patched like infinite lightning?

[spark fractal]

it works, just very poorly compared to warp charges, which has synergy and gives you stacks when your group kills things

[spark fractal]

sure seems intended, they went out of their way to buff dueling swords

[sullen bobcat]

I use deimos since i just delete horde with voidstrike

Tbh, I just delete everything with voidstrike. The melee is mostly there in case I need to puysh every so often

[torn bison]

based, I really like the DS I'm glad to hear that synergy works

[echo turtle]

What special blessing is that?

[echo turtle]

I'm finding warp charges better for brain burst tbh

Empowered is cool but I would take the enhanced cool down and damage over having a few better bursts now and then

I was noticing soulflame also procing my dueling swords uncanny strike

[torn bison]

What's a good gun for psyker to suppress or stagger most enemies?

[echo turtle]

Shoot them

But like actually

[spark fractal]

riposte (6 secs of +20 crit chance after a dodge), precognition (2 seconds of +60% finessse, which is weakspot and crit damage after a dodge), so basically you get a crit by spamming assail into a crowd, and whatever survives gets stabbed in the face with massive crits because each assail crit triggers a dodge

[echo turtle]

Ah so, that crit ability triggers the blessings?

I was just wondering about that

[spark fractal]

yup, it's also really, really good for surviving ranged shooter mobs, which are everywhere in damnation

[echo turtle]

Yeah, pretty solid

I was running it with scriers gaze and enjoying it a lot

Scriers and war charges seem bugged, they don't appear to lower it's cool down

[spark fractal]

i just can't get into scryer's, the buffs are kinda mid for the amount of hassle it is, and how it cripples your use of other perils weapons, guns are not the strongest part of psyker right now

[echo turtle]

With you trigger it in melee with the duely

And riposte

With shred and + crit

You get to like insane crits

[summer prairie]

does the crit dodge actually work with blessings, I briefly tested it in the grinder at one point and didn't seem to

[echo turtle]

Something like over 70%

[summer prairie]

I think you have to dodge a melee hit even

[echo turtle]

If you want to grab the dodges you are going scriers or shield, and I think scriers I better than the shield

Though I suppose you don't need BOTH dodge abilities

[quiet galleon]

getting 380 base is pretty rare, no?

[echo turtle]

1 in 100 chance

[quiet galleon]

my 2nd one in 2 hours 💀

[echo turtle]

What skills are you running?

I have been doing Brain burst and trying out the others in combination with ut

[silent forge]

should i swap flurry for surge?

[fierce crest]

surge?

oh yeah

double crits

[silent forge]

sorry i forgot the name but the one that double shots

[sullen bobcat]

Surge

[fierce crest]

i like warp flurry

helps with horde clear

which void is kinda awkard at

[left turtle]

Purgatus staff go brrr

[fierce crest]

yea vs like purg or surge staff

[quiet parcel]

how does the void strike build auto head pops work? when i try it it does lots of death but not sure if im popping head?

[fierce crest]

which horde clear very easily

[spark fractal]

you can get empathic evasion if you go for shriek, that's the important one which triggers 1 sec of dodging, which is really all you need because so many assail shards are bouncing, you're getting a lot of crits, and when you're not, it's giving you back 15% toughness on kill to keep you alive vs shooters

[spark fractal]

i've tried every combo, lately i'm preferring assail + shriek + warp charges

shield is good for defense, but you can often sustain a higher offensive tempo with shriek, and it has defensive benefits vs something like a burster in your face

[fierce basalt]

anyone willing to help me complete 'just a flesh wound' penance ? just need to speedrun a heresy mission

[fluid knot]

No, but Scriers is the least likely thing to get hammered with the nerf bat

Running Sciers/Recons Las at the moment an its actually very strong, i was surprised at the damage output

[fierce crest]

i could see them nerfing it but improving the usability

[fluid knot]

Its not enough of a boost to warrant a nerf

[fierce crest]

plus True Aim

[fluid knot]

Scriers and Brainburst are arguably the most balanced bit of kit atm

[fluid knot]

You got it, coz ofc, Recons crit in groups

[near wyvern]

Brainburst is still a bit odd ball, you can't one shot stuff properly without additional buffs

[fluid knot]

Nah, but its not broken an is perfectly functional

[fierce crest]

do you know if the burst headhunters do?

[fluid knot]

I do not tbh

[fierce crest]

i know regular autoguns and autopistol does

[fluid knot]

Will check now

[fierce crest]

not sure aabout braced or HH

and i only have the semi auto HH rn

[fluid knot]

We dont get the braced on Psyker anyway

[fierce crest]

wait can psyk even get braced

yeah

[fluid knot]

Can confirm, at least on the Vraks VII, does crit in groups

[fierce crest]

yea no doubt the other burst hh does too

thats sick

might be better than revolver for my style

more dockets into the fire

[potent moss]

Is blazing spirit any good on force swords?

[brave vale]

I mean this is good right?

[fluid knot]

Wouldnt bother with the Agri' HH tho

Its kinda ass

[brave vale]

like who cares about warp resistance

thats gotta be good

[fluid knot]

Yeah that is exceptionally good

[silent forge]

any builds being cooked up for when assail inevitably gets tuned?

im thinkin i return to a standard BB build

[potent echo]

BB, shriek

Play original Psyker but it's cracked

[unique sand]

lets hope they forget about assial and move on to other things

i enjoy feeling like a powerful psyker

[fierce crest]

im hoping they just nerf max stacks and regen so this build is still noice

throw a shard or two whenever you proc True Aim

or use the crit on the revolver to guarantee a 1shot

[silent forge]

im liking the revolver pick

[fierce crest]

im thinking about switching to one of the burst HH autoguns cuz of this

but revolver has a crit stat

so ya kno

[silent forge]

you running handcannon on that stub?

or standard crit blessings

[fierce crest]

actually havent rerolled anything yet

sadly i dont like all 4 of those

[silent forge]

that is so unfortunate

[fierce crest]

probly just swap to flak maniac

and enjoy the more consistent swap crits without True Aim and extra damage vs big boys

[unique sand]

is sustained even good on the revolver?

[fierce crest]

i mean

you have 5 shots max

so boosting 2 of them is nice

and stuff like muties and ogryns often take 4 shots

[potent echo]

I need to play more wall

[fierce crest]

and so then if i dont fire the last shot thats half my shots boosted

its nice

[silent forge]

im wondering if that would guarantee a crusher 3 shot

but prob not since sustained has always been pretty underwhelming

in terms of breakpoints

[potent echo]

Surgical good on revolver

I aim slow so it's a direct buff to me

Also crit headshots have very nice breakpoints vs ragers/gunners/flamers and the like

Also 2 shot crushers

With handcannon

[fierce crest]

need carapace for that tho

and id prefer the bonus to muties and elites

[potent echo]

I just land 2 slow shots

But that was on vet

[fierce crest]

these are the ones that dont rely on chance

idk what the best 2 would be

hand cannon not random assuming guaranteed crit from True Aim

probly cannon annd sustained

then carapace and elite

[potent echo]

Trickshooter is really bad

[fierce crest]

its funny

maybe if it was 20% power

thatd be cool

[potent echo]

It needs to have like a 10s timer

[fierce crest]

whats the timer

[potent echo]

It only lasts like 5 seconds

[fierce crest]

not horrible

[potent echo]

I haven't actually times it though

[fierce crest]

and power boosts affect swapped weapons tho

right?

[potent echo]

I haven't tried it

But slaughterer doesn't apply to ranged weapons

So it's on a blessing to blessing basis

[fierce crest]

then probly not

[potent echo]

Even then it's like 5 seconds

[fierce crest]

but yeah hand cannon would be the pick for my roll

and then flak or maniac

[potent echo]

Maybe 3 swings of +10% power wow

[fierce crest]

yeah thats why it should be 20% per stack

double damage swing

[silent forge]

i'd prob go handcannon surgical just to hopefully have consistent dmg

[echo turtle]

with assailt, Empowered or Disrupt destiny/?

[potent echo]

Surgical has really really consistent damage

[fierce crest]

surgical is anti synergy with true aim tho

[potent echo]

But ppl meme and say just aim better 🤷‍♂️

[fierce crest]

im already getting the guaranteed crit to rend

may as well fire fast after that

[silent forge]

oh true true

[fierce crest]

honestly id prefer speed load

cuz reloading sucks

[potent echo]

Speed loader probably required on psyker

[silent forge]

totally forgot about true aim

[potent echo]

Speed loader and handcannon

[fierce crest]

but then shit perks

[potent echo]

Unarmored good

[fierce crest]

on what

[silent forge]

yeah the freedom that true aim gives is kinda crazy

[potent echo]

You can one tap head dreg gunner

[fierce crest]

already 1shot everything

[potent echo]

No it doesn't

Unless on crit

Revolver does less damage to unarmored because

Fatshark

[fierce crest]

and ive got a crit most of the time i fire cuz true aim

[potent echo]

Yea it's not the worst at least it gives consistentcy

[fierce crest]

moreso than one of the crit blessings?

[potent echo]

You mean surgical?

[fierce crest]

ye

crit chance

[potent echo]

You can change the blessings to handcannon speedloader

Keep the shitty perks

It's probably still good

[fierce crest]

since im thinking about swapping to burst autogun anyway

maybe try that for a bit, then if i come back to revolver i can sink money into it

[potent echo]

Yea you can try out a 2.5/4 revovler

[fierce crest]

thing is i like sustained fire

offers consistency vs big stuff

[potent echo]

Then give up on speed loader I guess

[fierce crest]

probly morseso than crit chance blessing

[potent echo]

Psyker breakpoints abit funky when it comes to destiny stacks

[fierce crest]

using siphon anyway

[potent echo]

Oh then you have damage that way

[near wyvern]

Disrupt Destiny is a bit weird. It puts you after this mini game instead on focusing on the actual threat and then when a horde spawns you drop all stacks cause it cannot mark trash.

[fierce crest]

doesnt seem like it

maybe pre patch

idk if gunners got health changes

[potent echo]

They got small buff iirc

That's why I take surgical

[fierce crest]

well this needs a crit andn 4 warp charges to kill

[potent echo]

Cursed life

[fierce crest]

so it might not even with a crit and 6 charged if i didnt have the unarmored damage

[potent echo]

Maybe give up on this breakpoint entirely

[near wyvern]

They did

[fierce crest]

true

fuck it

speed loader my beloved

[potent echo]

Wait

Oh nvm

Rending doesn't work on unarmored

Goodbye

[near wyvern]

Order was butchered open right then left

[potent echo]

Fatshark > let's buff revolver to give it nice breakpoints

[fierce crest]

nah buff its reload

[potent echo]

Also fatshark > let's raise the HP of elites

They buffed the revolved the patch before 13

[fierce crest]

please dont put the spent casing back in the cylinder when you cancel a reload

[potent echo]

Gave it nice breakpoints

[fierce crest]

please

[potent echo]

Now it's back to simi scuffed

[fierce crest]

let it stay out

[unique mist]

what perks to put on an illisi force sword, flak and carapace?

[fierce crest]

1.3 seconds to remove the casing, 0.5 to reload a round, please dont put the casing back in

[unique mist]

best i can do is raise premium bundle prices

[silent forge]

i just tried the build you replied with. why in the world can you bubble spam after a SINGLE elite kill

how is this okay???

[fierce crest]

bug

its the warp charge cooldown thing

just dont spam it

assume it has a normal cd

and its still good

[silent forge]

i imagine once they fix it then the CDR from 6 charges will me more than sufficient

[fierce crest]

15s duration, 20s cooldown at max warp charges

[silent forge]

thats wild

[fierce crest]

can be tricky to get 6 charges in 20s

but not too bad

especially if you popped the dome cuz multiple gunners

which is the main thing i do with it

also if theres a lot of shooters place it ahead of you so you have more distance covered when running at them

then axe them a question

[near wyvern]

And timer starts on use IIRC

[fierce crest]

it does for sure

ok so which burst autogun is better

[near wyvern]

So you can bubble and the next one will be ready whenever you need, the third time might take some time but if that is needed then there are other problems with your team

[fierce crest]

ive just always used the semi one if i want a hh

[fierce crest]

yeah its great, need 2 extra talents but it basically invalidates shreik

great vs shooters

at any range

shriek has a max range

great vs melee

[silent forge]

thanks for the build

[fierce crest]

o7

[near wyvern]

shreik is still great with fire trauma and purgatus tho

[fierce crest]

for sure

[silent forge]

im def gonna abuse it for the time being till its fixed and even after

[fierce crest]

but the main thing shriek does is done better by a sidegrade of shield

[near wyvern]

I myself prefer the stun shield over the bubble. I have the bubble for void because when you bring in void it's all you need so might bring something for the team xD

With surge staff I use the two stun shields

[fierce crest]

again, hoping they just nerf ammo and recharge for assail, and then it will be basically unchanged

for this build

axe > get 5 stacks of True Aim > throw 1-4 shards > axe

[silent forge]

pretty simple loop

[fierce crest]

if theres a ranged uncommon, use the true aim crit on the revolver

press shield if lots of enemies

[silent forge]

im hoping they crank up the dot on soulblaze

just a bit even would not hurt

[fierce crest]

all this goes so well together

with the piercing crit from Assail

if you just throw one Perfect Timing doesnt do much

but then you can throw a couple extra

and thats why burst autogun might be better than revolver

cuz 3 crits to proc Mettle, Perfect Timing too but thats less important cuz gun

much worse carapace damage tho

also brutal momentum imporant for axe to work with this

horde clear is a bit sus otherwise

Deimos or a Duel Sword would probably be stronger

but i like axe

tac axe might be ok cuz more headshots/s

so more Perfect Aim stacks

dagger for same reason

[echo turtle]

What's special about assail crits?

[spice veldt]

true aim = guaranteed crit -> throw assail -> multihit and proc Mettle/Perfect Timing multiple times

[echo turtle]

Aaaaah

Best to use empowered with that to get an even stronger assail throw?

[spice veldt]

i think pineapple is using warp charges for their build?

[echo turtle]

Warp charges seem just, real good to stack and hold

The more I play the more I think holding charges is just so good

[spice veldt]

I personally run disrupt destiny cuz i don't have the points to go into warp charges with how i'm set up

[echo turtle]

Do you find you can keep the destiny stacks up?

[spice veldt]

extreeeeeeeeemely sketchy

[echo turtle]

Yeah that was my experience

[spice veldt]

if a horde comes and no patrols get aggroed, my stacks are gone

or during events

but I don't have the points to go anywhere so ultimately it's a nice thing to have

[echo turtle]

What's ur red node

[spice veldt]

it's funny to one-shot mutants without +maniac or one-shot maulers randomly with a DS crit

am running shield

[echo turtle]

How do you like it?

[spice veldt]

but I want True Aim and a bunch of my points are tied up above

shield is pretty neat

very neat in fact

[fierce crest]

multi target shots crit everything, also certain high fire rate guns crit in streams

[spice veldt]

it blocking flamers, snipers, and trapper nets is quite a convenient tool to have

[echo turtle]

Oh snap

[spice veldt]

and in corridor situations, shield is pretty neat

[echo turtle]

I didn't know it did that

[spice veldt]

i run without any upgrades to the shield and just the unupgraded shield is quite fine on its own

[kind jay]

it stops bomber nades too

[spice veldt]

god bless

[plucky flax]

What's mettle and perfect timing?

[fierce crest]

yeah i have two (2) points to spare, beelining to assail, siphon and true aim

[plucky flax]

Also true aim works on assail?

[fierce crest]

any ranged

[plucky flax]

That's op.

[fierce crest]

blitz counts

[spice veldt]

mettle is +toughness & movement speed on crit hit
perfect aim is +warp damage% on crit attack (procs if your attack crits even if you don't hit an enemy)

[fierce crest]

so both are really happy to have several guaranteed crits in a row

[plucky flax]

Does each shard count as 1 stack for true aim or can it proc multiple times from different heads?

[spice veldt]

multiple times 😎

[plucky flax]

Assail true aim op

[fierce crest]

the shard is a crit

every thing that shard hits

is crit

[spice veldt]

melee hits also build up True Aim stacks but do not consume it

[limber heath]

i heard the move speed for mettle was potentially not working?

[spice veldt]

so you can get deterministic crits

[spice veldt]

it's working fine for me at least

[fierce crest]

it works sometimes for sure

cuz you FEEL it

[spice veldt]

I can get up to 8 m/s along with disrupt destiny on my duelling sword

spoooood

[limber heath]

u got a speedometer on your psyker or smth wth

[fierce crest]

the goal of my build is to use assail cuz its cool but not spam it cuz its uncool

[limber heath]

can you outrun a mutant with that

[fierce crest]

so it focuses on maximizing weapons and short bursts of assail

[spice veldt]

maybe maybe not

[echo turtle]

Mk3 crits in a burst too

[spice veldt]

I have a mod that shows my speed so I was messing around in the psykhanium and seeing how fast I could get

[fierce crest]

afaik all infantry autoguns, recon lasguns, autopistol, burst headhunter autoguns crit in a stream

sadly lasguns/laspistol dont

[lunar hollow]

yeah all the psykers who run it seem to spontaneously turn into fireworks

[fierce crest]

and purg doesnt either

[spice veldt]

shush

[fierce crest]

and this is why im not using peril weapons

shards are enough

dont wanna be stuck when i wanna horde clear or snipe a gunnner

[lunar hollow]

i bring a voidstrike so that i can simultaneously have an armor pen weapon and something that annoys my teammates when i spam min-charged void balls at hordes

[fierce crest]

bring voidstrike so you have an armor pen crowd control horde clear long ranged infinite am-

[lunar hollow]

i have a stupidly low success rate with hitting snipers with a voidstrike because i keep dodging as i fire

[fierce crest]

el classico

[lunar hollow]

this is a dumb habit

but it results in teammates getting shot which is kinda funny

[fierce crest]

revolver wins again

point and click

[spice veldt]

tsk tsk tsk

survival rate of players in a game with josho drastically drop

[lunar hollow]

most of it isnt my fault

smh

[potent echo]

Most

[royal granite]

people who hate the revolver: is it good yet?

[potent echo]

It's worse

But it's good

It lost some breakpoints as we found out

[fierce crest]

yeah

[potent echo]

It was never bad

[royal granite]

i grabbed it on my zealot as just a quick way to pop elites/specials i can't get to, in a bad situation

[lunar hollow]

https://streamable.com/869d3y

[stable silo]

what are the go to stats for curios now a days

[lunar hollow]

sometimes people just want to suicide by voidstrike

[fierce crest]

burst precision will always be good

[royal granite]

and with assail being what it is, i wonder if i couldn't do the same on psyker

[fierce crest]

a wound if you want it, heath and toughness otherwise

[stable silo]

gunner resist and cdr still good 2 ?

[potent echo]

That happened to me

[fierce crest]

thats literally my build lul

#1158835513789272126 message

[potent echo]

[fierce crest]

primarily melee tho

[royal granite]

oh that's fun

[plucky flax]

Trying assail with the crit talents. (Speed and damage)

[potent echo]

Speed?

[stable silo]

i assume move speed on crit

with staxin dmg

[fierce crest]

yeah those two are good

the speed/toughness one is good for any multi crit weapon

and the damage talent lets bursts of shards be even stronger

take True Aim at the bottom for a guaranteed crit to start it off

[deft osprey]

What does smite jump+1 mean?

[royal granite]

probably means smite jumps one additional time?

[astral oracle]

cin

shake my greasy smiting hand

for I am back home and ready to electrocute some heretics

[royal granite]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[astral oracle]

Oh fuck they did it

I didn’t think I’d get this far

Oh fuck

[bold vortex]

Do i need to reach 100% peril then activate the ability or ciritcal peril (I think 95%)

[fierce crest]

you need to be exploding

[royal granite]

enter the "oh no i'm boutta burst" state i think

[fierce crest]

past 100%

[astral oracle]

im gonna BURST

[bold vortex]

Alright thanks

[astral oracle]

AAAUGH

[royal granite]

same

[astral oracle]

[hollow depot]

psyker had to do it to em

[warm bolt]

I can aim with voidstrike so i play a good psyker

[knotty river]

does charging smite actually do anything beside adding a slight knockback to when the channel ends?

[faint sigil]

i can left click in the general direction of enemies with mind knives, i'm a great psyker

[faint sigil]

faster spread

test in psychinarium

psykinarium?

[paper loom]

Does anyone know of a way to move the buff bar? I find it hard to keep track of what's going on

[faint sigil]

theres a mod for that

[royal granite]

psykanium

[faint sigil]

rearrange ui

[paper loom]

Really? Where could I find it please

I didnt know you could mod darktide lol

[knotty river]

but thats totally not what the tooltip says... thanks though

[royal granite]

psyker tooltips are usually uh

wrong

[faint sigil]

https://www.nexusmods.com/warhammer40kdarktide/mods/10

[paper loom]

Ty bro

[faint sigil]

there are many other good mods

[spice veldt]

there's also a mod that gives you a second buff bar to put stuff onto (Buff HUD improvements)

[true veldt]

There any good smite focused builds?

[royal granite]

i need to start modding my game but i can't work up the spoons

[spice veldt]

josho moment

i'm seeing a lot of videos of you murdering your teammates

[true veldt]

Ive been having fun stunlocking with it but I'm wondering if there's a way to make it more killy

[spice veldt]

prob something like grabbing venting shriek + creeping flames and hoping the soulblaze kills them

[true veldt]

[paper loom]

Also what do people recommend I got lucky with a force sword its the cleave one 380 blue with deflect blessing . What other perks and blessings should I aim for? I added crit chance and stam

Although I read deflect is a bit crap now? I admit I miss the fencing sword

[lunar hollow]

i genuinely promise you this and other videos arent intentional

[plucky flax]

0 damage taken assail gaming seems good.

[paper loom]

How do you avoid dmg? I get clapped in 2 hits in the highest difficulty

[plucky flax]

I stood back and press left click. Xd

[spice veldt]

stand 100 miles away from everything and press LMB with assail

it's what happens when a weapon has literally no loss in effectiveness due to range (no damage falloff + aim assist)

[true veldt]

You spam dodge and look at the enemy

It's hilarious

[paper loom]

I played last night with a heretic he brought his health down to like 2% and completed the run. Why would he do this?

[plucky flax]

Mettle and perfect timing are good I like it for assail meme.

[true veldt]

I did it on accident on malice I think

Barely switch off assail

[paper loom]

It was lvl 5 difficulty I asked him how but he was a dick lol but I'm curious as to why

[plucky flax]

No it's literally it.

[true veldt]

Been switching to smite just to use gear

[spark fractal]

gotta be on your toes, constantly rotate to look for unexpected spawns

[plucky flax]

I'll video up the end event of the map.

[spice veldt]

spam dem dodges

[plucky flax]

I literally just stood at the back. Xd

[spice veldt]

psyker's toughness regen is also insanely cracked

[true veldt]

And you've got stupid tools to keep yourself safe as well

[paper loom]

I do that I have all 4 toughness nodes and hug walls etc I use yhe surge staff tho don't like it also a force sword which I also don't like

[spark fractal]

15% per warp kill is crazy when like, everything is a warp kill, force sword aoe heavy swing fully regens your toughness from killing like 5 zombies, so does voidstrike through a horde, or a couple of assails

[fluid terrace]

do you guys think psyker will be nerfed?

[spice veldt]

top 10 most balanced talents

abso-fucking-lutely

[true veldt]

I think assail will 100% be changed

[fluid terrace]

i hope it's not too drastic

[spice veldt]

Perilous Combustion and Soulstealer are two of the best nodes

[true veldt]

I shouldn't be able to go through an entire mission without switching off it lol

[spice veldt]

also Assail being what it is

[spark fractal]

oh yeah, it's much stronger and easier to play than any of the other classes, compare to like, zealot, which has to struggle and pay for power with its own life

[paper loom]

Yes considering all the needs on reddot are crying for assail nerfs despite psyker being crap for an age

[spice veldt]

hell yeah they're right

[true veldt]

Assail is busted lol

[fluid terrace]

assail is really strong

[paper loom]

Yea but it could easily be rubbish too

[spark fractal]

when were psykers crap? before the patch it was very good with 6x warp charges slowly decaying, and several decent staffs

had a unique role compared to any other class

[paper loom]

Wasn't psyker lowest picked class ?

[spice veldt]

though psykers had evident weaknesses back then

lack of ranged burst DPS without a gun

[knotty river]

lowest picked =/= weak though

[spice veldt]

very little reactivity (without a gun)

[spark fractal]

hard to play and fragile doesn't mean the class is bad

[paper loom]

I played quit due to every run ppl demanding you have surge staff

[spark fractal]

just had a much lower skill floor and higher skill ceiling

[spice veldt]

I swapped off from psyker to bolter vet 2 months before the recent update to power trip on it while it lasted

[spark fractal]

shredder psyker is the real power trip 🙂

[spice veldt]

😔 😔 😔 😔

[fluid terrace]

i want the admech chick so bad

[true veldt]

I use laspistol because it looks cool

[lunar hollow]

tourist. smh.

[paper loom]

I want to ditch staff for a gun I have both Las pistol and shredder in 380 whats better?

[spice veldt]

i love playing op shit and then having the experience to know that people saying the op shit is not op are just absolutely fucking wrong

[paper loom]

I think it is op however the way ppl are saying it it will get nerfed into oblivion

[spark fractal]

it's really more about the blessings than raw item level

[plucky flax]

Assail gaming is so chill man.

[spice veldt]

there are playtesters this time around so I'm optimistic

[paper loom]

Yea assail hella satisfying

[true veldt]

And satisfying

[spice veldt]

and they're probably already settled on what to do with Assail

since we're on an older version and future updates are delayed by xbox certs

[paper loom]

Maybe remove the target option on it

Make it more random

[spice veldt]

nah

it'll have to retain some of its lock-on so that it can be a quickswap weapon

but I would nerf the aim assist and lock on very heavily

and nerf the target limit to 1 (and to 2 with Ethereal shards)

[true veldt]

I feel like it's Regen is a bit too much

[spice veldt]

and make its upgrade nodes lock each other out

that too

a lot of charges to burst through and the regen that gives it a good amount of sustain

[true veldt]

Like it being infinite is fine ig, but you'll get all 10 back in no time

[potent echo]

Make it do slightly more damage and fire slower, maintain its shooter killing potential

Not horde clearing

If you chuck it at a sniper it should die

[spice veldt]

it'll retain some of its ability to kill shooters because of its aim assist

but it should just be a quickswap weapon

not a weapon that you can use to annihilate an entire ranged patrol

[potent echo]

Like zealot knife?

[true veldt]

Maybe more peril+slower gen?

[spice veldt]

ye

oh yeah zealot has a throwing knife now

[true veldt]

I feel like that'd stop it from making you able to go the entire game without switching off lmak

[spice veldt]

i personally wouldn't tinker with the peril

[potent echo]

Slower firerate and lower ammo count is one step towards my idea for it

[true veldt]

But retain it's utility

[knotty river]

i just realized they dont lock each other and thought that was a cool choice...

[spice veldt]

because that would mess with quickswapping between peril weapons and assail

[potent echo]

Slower Regen too

[true veldt]

True enoughs

[spice veldt]

just nerfing the charges and making it more time-gated should be enough, probably

[true veldt]

Ye

[spice veldt]

and a buff to its RMB as well

[potent echo]

Yea rmb seems really cool

You can chuck it behind bulwark for example

[bright forge]

assail falls off at higher diffs

[spice veldt]

nah

[potent echo]

Assails falls off in high pressure situations*

[spice veldt]

also nah

[potent echo]

But with assail the situation will never be high pressure

So yea

Assail can't help you if there are 5 scab ragers in your face

[spice veldt]

yes it can

because it also has good stagger

[true veldt]

It makes hunting grounds hilariously trivial

[spice veldt]

lamayo

[potent echo]

But could that ever happen if you prechucked all the knvies

They won't ever have reached you

[spark fractal]

works fine in damnation, it's meant to clear hordes, not be the only button you use, for that, there's always voidstrike